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7[00:11:18] <duude_> Hi folks
8[00:11:30] <duude_> I noticed Buster has quite a bit old kernel
9[00:11:37] <duude_> 22-Oct-2018
10[00:11:59] <duude_> And I know that most of you use Debian here as your desktop OS
11[00:12:05] <duude_> Are you err.. okay with that old kernel?
12[00:12:56] <fs2> no
13[00:13:01] <fs2> but you can update it yourself
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18[00:26:17] <sney> duude_: 5.10.0-0.bpo.5 is available in buster-backports for users who need a newer kernel for whatever reason, but yes, debian keeps package versions frozen for the lifetime of the stable release.
19[00:26:29] <sney> that's one of the main things debian means by "stable".
20[00:26:34] <duude_> Got it
21[00:26:47] <duude_> I figured, I'll probably just install a newer one myself heh
22[00:26:52] <duude_> Could be a great learning experience!
23[00:26:58] <duude_> thanks sney and fs2 :)
24[00:27:08] <sney> also, debian 11 is very close to release, so that's one reason debian 10 is looking *extra* dusty atm
25[00:27:24] <oxek> close™
26[00:27:29] <sney> !kernel handbook
27[00:27:33] <oxek> no bot
28[00:27:45] <sney> I'll learn there's no bot about 10 seconds after the bot comes back
29[00:28:06] <sney> duude_: replaced-url
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32[00:31:11] <duude_> cheers <3
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35[00:31:59] <sney> (also, side note: the 4.19 kernel in buster is following kernel.org's longterm 4.19 branch, and the debian package was most recently updated to upstream's 4.19.171 in January.)
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51[00:57:08] <somiaj> duude_: I am just fine with a long term supported kernel. All security issues have been fixed, and it is very stable and deals with my hardware (note my hardware is also a few years old)
52[00:57:34] <somiaj> only reason I would suggest a newer kernel is mostly for newer hardware support.
53[00:59:49] <christo2015> Yes my wifi cart was only supported by the new 5.10 kernel so I upgraded.
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117[04:15:10] <kenwoodfox> Hey.. this one is really stumping me
118[04:15:10] <kenwoodfox> replaced-url
119[04:15:10] <kenwoodfox> theres no file there. it dosent show up, cant rm it, cant do anything
120[04:15:13] <kenwoodfox> but.. it exists?
121[04:15:16] <kenwoodfox> i dont even know what to google
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124[04:19:59] <kenwoodfox> Hello?
125[04:20:09] <kenwoodfox> I think i dced for a moment.
126[04:21:32] <imMute> kenwoodfox: the file listing is 120.conf not 119.conf
127[04:21:54] <kenwoodfox> imMute: what do you mean?
128[04:22:11] <imMute> the first line shows a "120.conf" file but your other commands are about "119.conf" and "119.conf.old"
129[04:22:18] <imMute> but you've not shown those two files existing
130[04:22:33] <kenwoodfox> Oh, sorry i did not mean to include that first line, its just the last file in the folder from a `ls -la`
131[04:23:01] <kenwoodfox> 120.conf is working fine, its 119 thats freaking out
132[04:23:08] <kenwoodfox> i cant rm it but aparently it still exists :c
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134[04:23:27] <imMute> youve not shown it "definitely existing" though
135[04:23:42] <kenwoodfox> What would you recomend
136[04:23:48] <imMute> show the ls -la
137[04:23:53] <kenwoodfox> Sure thing
138[04:24:31] <kenwoodfox> replaced-url
139[04:24:40] <kenwoodfox> I added 119.error
140[04:24:45] <imMute> what?
141[04:24:48] <kenwoodfox> i was trying to mv it to 119.conf
142[04:24:58] <kenwoodfox> its just an empty file, i was experimenting ways to overwrite the invisible 119.conf
143[04:25:17] <imMute> what invisible 119.conf?
144[04:25:19] <kenwoodfox> 119.conf dosent show up, and yet i cant overwrite it or see it or anything
145[04:25:31] <imMute> what do you mean you can't overwrite it?
146[04:25:33] <kenwoodfox> touch says i cant overwrite 119.conf but no such file exists
147[04:25:46] <imMute> you didn't show *that* command either!
148[04:25:54] <kenwoodfox> I did, in the screenshot
149[04:25:59] <kenwoodfox> ill print it out to termbin too :c sorry
150[04:26:16] <imMute> you showed a "file" and a "mv". neither of those are "touch"
151[04:26:44] <kenwoodfox> Sorry imMute
152[04:26:52] <kenwoodfox> replaced-url
153[04:26:57] <kenwoodfox> Heres the output from the touch command,
154[04:27:19] <imMute> show "touch 119.conf ; ls -la"
155[04:28:23] <kenwoodfox> replaced-url
156[04:28:27] <kenwoodfox> Heres the output from that
157[04:29:01] <imMute> wtf... that... shouldn't happen..
158[04:29:22] <kenwoodfox> imMute: thats what i said! i dont think im a noob but im tottally confused
159[04:29:38] <kenwoodfox> Ive never, ever seen this, on linux, unix, sun anything ive never seen this :/
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162[04:31:03] <imMute> me either. that's ... impossible.
163[04:31:07] <kenwoodfox> maybe its a problem with the filesystem? something become corrupt?
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165[04:37:59] <kenwoodfox> idk :c
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174[04:58:00] <themill> kenwoodfox: I think you're more likely to get an answer from the bigger and more active channel on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net
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182[05:13:36] <kenwoodfox> @themill thanks, ill try somehwhere else, thanks for the advice guys
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205[06:32:15] <Henry151> hi, it looks like package nlohmann-json3-dev gives me 3.5, the thing i'm trying to do requires 3.6, what is the correct way to get it?
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207[06:33:39] <themill> Henry151: you could update to bullseye which will be released soon (it has 3.9). Asking about that upgrade in #debian-next on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net is best.
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209[06:34:24] <themill> Henry151: alternatively, version 3.7 is in buster-backports.
210[06:35:37] <Henry151> themill: hmm ok. i was not going to upgrade to bullseye quite yet. How do i grab the one from buster-backports?
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212[06:37:10] <Henry151> i think i would edit my sources.list somehow but i haven't used any alternative sources or backports or messed with any of that in a long while.
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216[06:51:20] <Henry151> thanks for your help -- i got it from buster-backports and it did the trick, thanks
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464[16:05:06] <jelly> kenwoodfox, which filesystem type is this?
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493[17:02:58] <gh00p> Hi folks. I'm having a kld problem I think. I have kldloaded ipfw, but when I `ipfw add nat 111 all from any to any`, I get an error, "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_XADD): Invalid argument". What am I missing?
494[17:03:10] <gh00p> Oh, whoa, wrong channel, sorry.
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501[17:12:42] <jelly> thought you were running debian/kfreebsd for a moment there
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504[17:16:00] <gh00p> Heh, I ran that years ago, and it worked beautifully.
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894[19:40:54] <Markow> I just downloaded the "debian-live-10.9.0-amd64-standard.iso" and placed it on a USB stick and booted. The fonts are tiny and garbled. How to I fix the fonts (it's in the console) and then log into root?
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897[19:44:15] <Markow> What is the root password, I tried everything, nothing works. I tried: "su" with "live", "user", "debian" ... nothing works
898[19:44:22] <petn-randall> Markow: You can probably change those on the terminal with `dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup`. No idea about the root password, but the overview page should have a user/pass written down there, and that user has sudo right IIRC.
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900[19:45:03] <Markow> will 'setfont' work?
901[19:45:06] <Markow> for the fonts?
902[19:47:28] <petn-randall> No idea, I've never used that.
903[19:47:40] <Markow> Ok, thanks, I'll try it out
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916[20:10:18] <somiaj> by default sudo should work without a password. I think it is user/live is the user/pasword of the main account that has nopass sudo privlages
917[20:10:28] <somiaj> oh Markow left
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