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125 [02:04:16] <awal1> debian is in libera.chat too?
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127 [02:04:36] <dvs> yes
128 [02:04:49] <awal1> hexchat doesn't ñist libera.chat in servers list
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130 [02:04:57] <dvs> so add it
131 [02:04:58] <awal1> list ^
132 [02:04:59] <AimHere> Just add it in
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134 [02:05:22] <awal1> ok
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150 [02:25:49] <somiaj> awal1: though we want to keep remiding users that OFTC is (and has been since 2006) the offical debian irc network. Plus you get to meet debian dev's there.
151 [02:26:58] <awal1> somiaj, right. i already use oftc
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163 [02:42:50] <somiaj> awal1: ii fvwm3 1.0.3-1 -- though I won't be looking for a sponsor until after the bullseye release, but it is getting closer
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167 [02:45:18] <awal1> somiaj, i don't get you
168 [02:47:25] <somiaj> awal1: fvwm3_1.0.3-1_amd64.deb (I was showing yout he output from dpkg -l | grep fvwm)
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170 [02:50:08] <awal1> somiaj, oh, ok. get you now. i will be happy to try it out :)
171 [02:50:12] <awal1> right now i have
172 [02:50:14] <awal1> ii fvwm 1:2.6.8-1+b1 amd64 F(?) Virtual Window Manager
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176 [02:52:33] <awal1> well, it took me like 2 months to configure it as i want, lol
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179 [02:53:17] <somiaj> only two months, not too bad
180 [02:54:49] <awal1> fvwm is hard to config compared to openbox but it is pleasant when you do so :)
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187 [03:01:40] <awal1> somiaj, any official link to read details about 2 vs 3?
188 [03:02:02] <somiaj> github/fvwmorg/fvwm3 has some info
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190 [03:02:34] <awal1> i was there alredy. ok
191 [03:02:51] <awal1> will spend time there so latwer. thanks
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244 [04:44:09] <Na_Klar> Can I mount an USB drive to a specific user/group? I want to hold the drive in a secure environment to do some checking first before any data could contaminate the system.
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301 [05:03:43] <somiaj> Na_Klar: what filesystem?
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303 [05:04:26] <Na_Klar> doesn't matter, but in the best case something interchangeable like (sigh) fat.
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305 [05:04:35] <Na_Klar> @somiaj
306 [05:05:44] <somiaj> Various things could depend. If you have automount tools (like gvfs) instaleld unsure what it will do, but with fat you could use a umask to make it so no file is executable on the mount
307 [05:06:46] <somiaj> I am sure there are ways I don't know about, but I can't think of any real danager of mounting a filesystem
308 [05:07:10] <Na_Klar> wouldn't be no file executable on fat in the first place? like never?
309 [05:07:12] <somiaj> It is exceuting the files, and there are noexec flags you can use when mounting too (though it does depend on the filesystem what sort of options mount accepts)
310 [05:07:37] <somiaj> oh there can be executalbes on fat, but they aren't going to be run automatically (that I know of) by just mounting the file system
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312 [05:08:01] <Na_Klar> since when fat supports modes?
313 [05:08:30] <somiaj> now I'm unsure on desktops, but I dont' think even their automounters automatlly run anything, but yes you the noexec flag or umask= to to set the permisions so nothing is executable
314 [05:08:35] <somiaj> what do you mean by modes
315 [05:09:25] <PMT> FAT itself does not store modes. Mount options for FAT allow you to specify what mode everything is presented as.
316 [05:09:37] <Na_Klar> Ah I see
317 [05:10:38] <PMT> (examine the {u,d,f}mask mount options.)
318 [05:11:28] <Na_Klar> So that would be a start. I can mount with options restricting any Xs .. but is this sufficient? I I would mount the device for a special user:group with practically no access to amything, I could counter-check the data. Or am I overacting?
319 [05:12:09] <somiaj> yea, you can use fmask=133 (what I use) for instance
320 [05:12:28] <somiaj> and for ext file systems you can use the noexec option to make it not able to exec anything despite the permissions
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322 [05:12:51] <somiaj> though I use dmask=022,fmask=133 on my vfat/ntfs mounts
323 [05:14:08] <Na_Klar> I'm unsure if I can trust just the modes. On the other hand, then I also couldn't trust the owns ...
324 [05:14:22] <PMT> It depends on your threat model.
325 [05:15:09] <PMT> If your threat is "random files using 0days to cause programs reading them to do malicious things", then sure, mask off the ability to read them. I wouldn't put it as a very likely threat, but sure.
326 [05:15:27] <somiaj> install fresh on a piece of junk machine, check it out, delete everything afterwards dont' be connected to the internet
327 [05:15:34] <PMT> If your threat is "malicious filesystem causing the filesystem driver to do malicious things", then no, what mode you mount it with isn't going to matter.
328 [05:16:38] <PMT> what somiaj suggested is a pretty simple solution to most threats, if done properly.
329 [05:16:45] <Na_Klar> I'm acting on a theoretical threat where malware could be smuggled into the system just by plugging in the drive. Like we had in XP times. I guess it is quite unlikely.
330 [05:16:59] <PMT> Nobody believes in autorun any more.
331 [05:17:02] <Na_Klar> Yes, I I like the direction. Thanks somiaj
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333 [05:18:20] <Na_Klar> Sure. But with all that rumors going on with kernel issues, you (or some client) never know what cheese backdoors could exist.
334 [05:18:44] <PMT> "all that rumors"?
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337 [05:20:00] <Na_Klar> bt then xou couldn't trust anything .. welp .. I was regatding the concept of a SOD but in order to exchange larger date you have to use storage. (since anyting other wouldnt be offline.)
338 [05:20:22] <Na_Klar> anyways, thanks for the input, that was very helpful.
339 [05:20:50] <Na_Klar> (sry for phone-posting)
340 [05:20:52] <PMT> I'm still curious what rumors you mean.
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343 [05:21:41] <Na_Klar> well, the rust kernel attack (conspuracy theory) e.g.
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345 [05:22:04] <PMT> ...the what?
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351 [05:24:53] <Na_Klar> I just talked with a few people about the possibilities why the linux kernel doesn't simply get forked by the people who press for not using C in future. There are ideas, that it is about destabilizing the kernel in the mid run.
352 [05:25:37] <PMT> That seems like an incredible reach, to me.
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354 [05:26:07] <Na_Klar> yes, I agree. If it is a "psy-op", then it is a lame one.
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362 [05:36:50] <somiaj> though since git was created for development of the linux kernel, it gets forked all the time
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365 [05:37:58] <somiaj> though due to the gpl any published changes have to be shared back with the kernel. And there have always been collections of patches to the kernel as far as I remeber to help improve/change specific things
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367 [05:39:27] <PMT> Doesn't GPL2 only require you share the source to your changes to anyone you give binaries to, not e.g. try to upstream them?
368 [05:39:31] <Na_Klar> yes, it is surely more complicated than that. as mostly.
369 [05:41:19] <Na_Klar> but if they start to reweite the whole thing you can imagine who will jump in to achieve that ..
370 [05:41:40] <Na_Klar> *rewrite
371 [05:41:47] <PMT> ...what?
372 [05:43:05] <Na_Klar> it is discussed to rewrite the whole kernel.
373 [05:44:08] <PMT> Sure, people talk about a lot of things.
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375 [05:44:23] <PMT> I'm more asking what you were trying to suggest with "you can imagine who will jump in to achieve that"
376 [05:45:53] <somiaj> PMT: linus describes it has you have to make the changes avaialble/share them, and yes upstream can decide if they want to use them or not.
377 [05:46:12] <somiaj> so yes you are technically correct, which according to hermes is the best kind of correct
378 [05:46:56] <Na_Klar> rewriting will be hell of a work. to do that in a sane time big tech will jump in and that combined with pseudo-os architecture and compilers will result in a kernel will cheese-like security holes.
379 [05:47:18] <PMT> yeah, and if that happened, nobody would use it
380 [05:47:37] <somiaj> the kernel is like our cells, they are rewritten and replaced every so often.
381 [05:47:42] <Na_Klar> if they know .. people don't know stuff
382 [05:47:51] <PMT> You seem like you're afraid your teeth are listening to you.
383 [05:48:10] <Na_Klar> maybe. that may be.
384 [05:49:29] <PMT> You can also always keep using the prior releases of Linux, it's not like modern Windows where the OS rebels and forcibly updates if it even smells an internet connection.
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386 [05:51:16] <Na_Klar> absolutely. wouldn't be the first case xou have to stick to 'old tech', if you don't want be infiltrated. think of intels amt e.g
387 [05:51:25] <PMT> (And if you think people wouldn't notice the Linux kernel being replaced by bits more full of holes than some cheese, then the same argument still applies to Linux without Rust.)
388 [05:51:55] <PMT> Yeah, but before AMT there was SMM. :P
389 [05:51:56] <Na_Klar> thats true. besides rust is not c.
390 [05:52:18] <PMT> (There's still SMM after AMT, too. It's turtles all the way down.)
391 [05:52:57] <Na_Klar> haha, yes, but smm has no inherent wireless connectivity.
392 [05:53:03] <somiaj> so this is thinking the kernel is going to be rewritten in rust?
393 [05:53:39] <Na_Klar> thats the plot. but hey, thats not my opinion. I'm just referring.
394 [05:54:08] <PMT> "I don't believe it, I'm just saying I was thinking about this conspiracy theory and wondering how to protect myself from my teeth."
395 [05:54:38] <Na_Klar> oh c'mon, you asked ..
396 [05:55:05] <PMT> I asked because you said you were worried about "rumors", and you proceeded to cite a conspiracy theory instead.
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398 [05:55:34] <Na_Klar> there is some overlap of rumors and theories.
399 [05:55:58] <Na_Klar> but hey, no hard feelings. thanks for the support
400 [05:55:59] <somiaj> I doubt the kernel is going to be rewritten in rust, C is a very powerful langauge, and when dealing with more core level stuff, the power of C is needed
401 [05:56:08] <Na_Klar> much appreciated.
402 [05:56:24] <Na_Klar> agreed
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404 [05:58:57] <PMT> Do I have poor calibration, or was that pretty unusual?
405 [06:00:10] <somiaj> maybe that will become the norm here, trolls need a home too
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407 [06:00:40] <themill> Indeed, sensible people seem to have moved and what is left is pure noise.
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409 [06:05:03] <PMT> moved to OFTC, or off IRC entirely?
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411 [06:07:43] <PMT> (Ah, I hadn't noticed which server I was on; I had thought it was the newest IRC network, or I wouldn't have asked.)
412 [06:14:34] <somiaj> PMT: haha, yea hard to keep track of where you are these days
413 [06:15:07] <themill> Since Debian development and specialist channels have been on OFTC since 2006, many people are to be found there
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552 [09:56:56] <f0000000b44444r> Hello! How do I get chromium browser debug symbols on debian buster amd64?
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554 [09:57:32] <jelly> !dbgsym
555 [09:57:55] <f0000000b44444r> !dbgsym
556 [09:58:20] <f0000000b44444r> ?
557 [09:58:35] <f0000000b44444r> !dbgsym chromium
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559 [09:59:44] <jelly> <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
560 [10:00:01] <f0000000b44444r> looks like there is only a chromium-dbg package for jessie but not for other debian versions ...
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624 [11:33:52] <ghaoil> How can I run a script after user log-in (lightdm)? The script should run as the user that logs in, not root. I tried to put a file in '/etc/profile.d' but that doesn't work.
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639 [11:56:05] <diogenes_> ghaoil, make a script.desktop in .config/autostart with Exec=/path/script.sh
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737 [13:52:01] <gregor2> I am trying to compile the kernel from upstream for debian. Running 'git clone replaced-url
738 [13:53:08] <jelly> yeah, the upstream deb-pkg might not do a real cleanup after itself
739 [13:53:25] <jelly> gregor2, does a make mrproper help or not
740 [13:53:53] <gregor2> So what i basically want is a way to just change something and recompile as fast as possible to try out the change.
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742 [13:54:04] <gregor2> lets see about the maks mrproper.
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744 [13:54:31] <jelly> save your .config
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747 [13:55:25] <gregor2> yes i got the .config
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749 [13:56:38] <gregor2> I just ran 'make mrproper; make deb-pkg' relizing the .config was gone. Then copied the old .config back and ran 'make clean; make deb-pkg'
750 [13:56:49] <gregor2> seems to work.
751 [13:57:21] <gregor2> But i want to make shure it is only compiling what i really need.
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753 [13:58:51] <gregor2> So it does not compile something unnecessary. Is it possible to only compile where something has changed?
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792 [14:52:39] <ptx0> gregor2: sounds correct
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829 [15:40:38] <NetTerminalGene> guys, which package should i install for hexchat spellchecking_?
830 [15:40:44] <NetTerminalGene> i forgot
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833 [15:43:10] <ZeroWalker> i am trying to connect to a vpn server with l2tp/ipsec with a preshared key, using this as i am not that familiar with it replaced-url
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870 [16:39:59] <ZeroWalker> okay i can connect now, had to add encryption proposals. But i can't access anything on the other network, so i am guessing i have to do some routing stuff which i sadly don't got a clue about
871 [16:40:48] <imMute> ZeroWalker: you need to setup routes for the opposite networks so the packets know where to go
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875 [16:44:00] <ZeroWalker> imMute, could you perhaps help me understand how to do that? i have just done this on windows and i am mimicing it, and there you just get a virtual network adapter, and magic happens, so i am ignorant about this sadly
876 [16:44:55] <imMute> ZeroWalker: is it just the VPN client computer you want to be able to access the remote network?
877 [16:45:03] <ZeroWalker> currently i am connected according to "ipsec", and i just have one network adapter "eth0" to give an idea where i am at
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879 [16:46:27] <imMute> I've never used ipsec. you could ask in ##networking on this network or in #networking on that new one - someone in there likely has used ipsec before.
880 [16:46:30] <ZeroWalker> imMute, the goal is to basically share the vpn connection to another ethernet port and have other computers connect to that, but i am obviously not there yet.
881 [16:47:03] <ZeroWalker> ah will try
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884 [16:50:37] <ZeroWalker> done, lts' hope anyone knows something. And of course if anyone here knows how to access the other vpn network normally when you got the connection going, please do share
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954 [17:45:27] <hackers> Howdy
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957 [17:47:34] <hackers> /msg dpkg paste doesn't work
958 [17:48:03] <hackers> what's a good pastebin?
959 [17:48:43] <hackers> ok got one
960 [17:49:39] <hackers> replaced-url
961 [17:50:17] <hackers> I'm trying to configure wpa_supplicant to connect to a wifi network who's ESSID is "longer than 32 characters due to unicode characters in it"
962 [17:50:49] <hackers> so wpa_supplicant surprisingly first, complains that SSIDs cannot be longer than 32 chars, is this a thing?
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964 [17:51:25] <hackers> second, it says that it cannot parse the ssid I believe due to the hexadecimal representation of the unicode chars, does anyone know how to work around that?
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967 [17:56:16] <jelly> hackers, did you put actual UTF-8 bytes in the config file, or printf-escaped \x ...?
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972 [17:59:38] <hackers> jelly: I printed them as hex using an `od' command
973 [17:59:53] <hackers> oh no that was for trying to enter the entire ssid as hex
974 [18:00:06] <hackers> I got the SSID from `iwlist wlo1 scan`
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976 [18:00:24] <hackers> I'm correcting an error, I had replaced wlo1 which is valid, everythere, with wl01
977 [18:00:28] <hackers> so I'm correcting this now
978 [18:00:59] <hackers> and first trying to connect to a "normal" ssid
979 [18:01:03] <jelly> ssid=f09f90a620507265747479466c79466f72415769466920f09f958aefb88f ?
980 [18:01:23] <hackers> let me try, how did you get this?
981 [18:01:44] <jelly> printf '\xF0\x9F\x90\xA6 PrettyFlyForAWiFi \xF0\x9F\x95\x8A\xEF\xB8\x8F'|hexdump -e '32/1 "%02x"'
982 [18:02:22] <jelly> I don't like the arcane od syntax so I used the arcane hexdump syntax instead
983 [18:02:54] <jelly> \xF0\x9F\x90\xA6 PrettyFlyForAWiFi \xF0\x9F\x95\x8A\xEF\xB8\x8F
984 [18:03:00] <jelly> hmm
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986 [18:03:21] <jelly> 🐦 PrettyFlyForAWiFi 🕊️
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988 [18:04:30] <jelly> curse your Offspring ref
989 [18:04:41] <petn-randall> jelly: Are you trying to make iphones explode again? XD
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991 [18:05:54] <hackers> jelly: you got it right, I see it decodes it to the initial text in the logs
992 [18:05:59] <hackers> but now I have another issue
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1005 [18:30:41] <robertzaccour> howdy
1006 [18:31:08] <sney> hi
1007 [18:32:12] <robertzaccour> Is UnityX available for Debian? I'm loving the new Ubuntu Unity and was wondering if it could be installed on a base Debian install.
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1009 [18:33:08] <sney> afaik it hasn't been packaged for anything other than ubuntu, but if debian has all of the build-deps it could probably be rebuilt for the debian environment
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1032 [18:50:39] <elios> replaced-url
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1036 [18:52:03] <antto> ooh, when is this gonna be?
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1038 [18:53:05] <petn-randall> antto: In 10 minutes if I did the math right.
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1040 [18:53:24] <antto> so i didn't miss it?
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1043 [18:54:17] <petn-randall> antto: Well ... you can still miss it if you slack off long enough.
1044 [18:54:32] <antto> nah, i'm here
1045 [18:54:55] <antto> i was OM-NOMing popcr0nz in #freenode-policy-feedback
1046 [18:55:00] <somiaj> Luckly the easiest way to time travel is into the future, so you have the option to miss it, but once you miss it, it is far harder to learn it
1047 [18:55:18] * antto takes notes
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1049 [18:55:43] <antto> somiaj, but wait, this doesn't work if you wanna travel very far forward
1050 [18:56:06] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1052 [18:56:25] <somiaj> antto: it does, you just have to be able to accelerate away from the earth then come back at near the speed of light
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1054 [18:58:18] <antto> :/
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1058 [19:03:34] <luuuciano> will debian continue in freenode IRC or will switch to libera?
1059 [19:03:51] <somiaj> !debian irc
1060 [19:03:57] <somiaj> oh yea, we lost dpkg
1061 [19:04:11] <somiaj> luuuciano: debian has been using OFTC for its offical irc network since 2006, find us there.
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1063 [19:04:50] <somiaj> This channel was the only one left on freenode at the time, and is still here, but we are reminding people that OFTC has more topic channels and more debian devs
1064 [19:04:55] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1066 [19:05:12] <somiaj> s/only/one of the only/
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1068 [19:05:43] <sney> what happened to dpkg anyway? I can't remember the last time it's been gone for this long. no dselect or apt either
1069 [19:05:44] <jelly> luuuciano, we're already present on irc.libera.chat
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1071 [19:06:07] <jelly> we're also discussing on what to do next with the freenode presence
1072 [19:06:18] <luuuciano> oh great, thanks, did not know jelly
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1077 [19:07:17] <jelly> sney, I'm not sure why dpkg's connection to freenode has failed (after yesterday's regular restart?), sometimes it needs a kick
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1080 [19:07:42] <somiaj> dpkg has trouble with TLS I belive
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1088 [19:10:14] <jelly> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
1089 [19:11:08] <jelly> I am intentionally breaking "li bera.chat" because there are reports of that being a forbidden word that antispam bots act on.
1090 [19:11:58] <sussudio> something something 1984
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1092 [19:12:52] <jelly> you're lucky there's no bot to !sing su ssudio right now!
1093 [19:13:11] <sussudio> that was 1985.
1094 [19:13:33] <jelly> I'm not a good coder, off by one errors are my bane
1095 [19:14:01] <somiaj> Just need to setup a system that can auto correct off by one errors, just need a high enough dimension cube.
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1097 [19:15:54] <sussudio> dpkg is sitting outside the channel, btw.
1098 [19:16:18] <sussudio> has been for 23 hours now.
1099 [19:16:51] <sney> aha, naturally
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1105 [19:19:53] <A|an> "oh yea, we lost dpkg" That's rick!
1106 [19:19:59] <A|an> rich
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1110 [19:23:56] <somiaj> maybe dpkg lost us?
1111 [19:24:00] <A|an> Is dpkg going to be available at youknowwhere?
1112 [19:25:29] <somiaj> why not join and see, though we encourage users to join OFTC for not only #debian but lots of other useful channels as well. Plus actual debian devs are on that network
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1119 [19:37:40] <metbsd> can ddebian 8.2 run docker?
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1122 [19:43:37] <somiaj> metbsd: 8.2? I would at least update to a far newer point release if running that, and isn't LTS for that dead?
1123 [19:44:07] <somiaj> metbsd: anyways, I don't see why it couldn't, though the version available in the debian 8 repos is going to be quite old.
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1125 [19:44:44] <metbsd> i can't update it. it's a vm
1126 [19:44:48] <metbsd> i bought it online
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1128 [19:46:01] <somiaj> You can't update it at least to get all the security updates from LTS for that?
1129 [19:46:24] <somiaj> anyways, I guess docker.io was added in buster as a package, looking at if there was a docker package for jessie
1130 [19:46:42] <dob1> now there are 3 #debian
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1132 [19:47:20] <somiaj> replaced-url
1133 [19:47:59] <somiaj> dob1: Yup, though using OFTC as the one stop shop for all thigns debian IRC will help, no need to be in all three
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1135 [19:49:52] <dob1> somiaj, I will not join the libera one for now
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1138 [19:51:59] <somiaj> dob1: that is fine, OFTC has just been the offical place since 2006, so we are just remiding users of that.
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1288 [23:46:20] <arkm2> Hello group, I have some doubts, I have these traces and I would like your support to understand them, I saw these entries in my auth.log, I don't know if they were successful or not!
1289 [23:46:20] <arkm2> (A) Connection closed by authenticating user root {src_ip} port {src_port} [preauth]
1290 [23:46:21] <arkm2> (B) Disconnected from authenticating user root {src_ip} port {src_port} [preauth]
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1292 [23:48:48] <arkm2> is the sshd daemon!
1293 [23:49:17] <sney> arkm2: look at the following lines, you should see something like " pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; " immediately after thsoe
1294 [23:50:37] <arkm2> @sney that line is not in the traces!
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1296 [23:51:23] <sney> all you know from "authenticating user" is that there was an attempt. *usually* this only shows for failures, but subsequent lines will tell you for sure.
1297 [23:51:49] <arkm2> tks!
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