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116 [02:07:36] <cronopio> hi; how can i make the command 'xmodmap -e "remove Mod4 = Hyper_L" -e "add Mod3 = Hyper_L"' permanent?
117 [02:07:57] <cronopio> i imagine adding it to some .init file, but where?
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119 [02:10:08] <rustbuckett> when do you want it to load?
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121 [02:11:54] <cronopio> at startup, i guess
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123 [02:12:12] <rustbuckett> if it's for I3 or similar, you'd just an 'exec' statement in the config. if you only need it for a shell, add it to .bashrc or .zshrc or whatever.
124 [02:12:34] <rustbuckett> yes, but startup of what exactly?
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126 [02:13:58] <somiaj> might want to ask cronopio how do they startx? (from a dm, startx, etc), though this could also help, replaced-url
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128 [02:14:26] <rustbuckett> your DM (Desktop Manager), WM (Window Manager), shell (bash or zsh)?
129 [02:14:42] <cronopio> rustbuckett: for the whole system, so i can use shortcuts with capslock now remapped to capslock
130 [02:14:44] <cronopio> also emacs
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132 [02:15:20] <cronopio> somiaj: interesting document
133 [02:15:36] <cronopio> it begins with "1. If the user has a ~/.xsessionrc file, read it. "
134 [02:15:41] <somiaj> note xmodmap may not always effect emacs (if it was run from a TTY for isntant)
135 [02:15:49] <cronopio> so i guess i should create that file
136 [02:15:56] <somiaj> cronopio: a lot depends on how you run your windowmanager. If using a displaymanager that is probably the method to use.
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139 [02:16:21] <mutante> would add it to /etc/profile
140 [02:16:25] <rustbuckett> you may wish to look into the boot process for linux. i assume you mean when you load your Window Manager.
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142 [02:16:42] <cronopio> window manager, as in nautilus?
143 [02:16:47] <rustbuckett> would that load when you enter the WM?
144 [02:16:57] <cronopio> or as in xorg?
145 [02:17:07] <somiaj> cronopio: no nautilus is a file manager, window manager is the software that contols the windows in xorg.
146 [02:17:38] <somiaj> xorg is only a server, you also need a window manager. If you use a DE such as gnome/kde/etc a WM is included, though some of us run just a minmial wm and not a full DE
147 [02:18:01] <cronopio> aaaah
148 [02:18:06] <maxrazer> When I do an "fdisk -l" and list the partition tables it shows types of "Microsoft basic data" on one drive and "EFI System" and "Apple HFS/HFS+" on another drive. These are left over from a previous configuration. However, I used fdisk to erase the partitions and I formatted them both with mkfs.ext4. So, are the partition tables the same, but not the partitions or file system? How do I erase/change/replace the partition
149 [02:18:06] <cronopio> i'm on gnome then
150 [02:18:06] <maxrazer> tables themself?
151 [02:18:28] <rustbuckett> replaced-url
152 [02:18:28] <somiaj> mutante: that could not work in lots of situations, such as using a display manager it maynot be parsed when loading an xsession, plus that would get parsed in situations when you may not even be running xorg and not do anything.
153 [02:18:57] <somiaj> cronopio: yea ~/.xsessionrc would probably be the best place to add stuff you want parsed before the xsession is run.
154 [02:19:38] <cronopio> and also seems the easiest method
155 [02:19:48] <rustbuckett> somiaj: thanks for jumping in. :) i'm afraid i was only confusing the situation.
156 [02:20:48] <cronopio> well, i'm thankful to you all
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158 [02:22:05] <cronopio> i'm gonna reboot and see how it goes
159 [02:22:06] <maxrazer> cronopio, i3-gaps with xfce4-terminal and xfce4-appfinder and a few other apps makes a great setup. Some theming etc. too.
160 [02:22:26] <rustbuckett> maxrazer: are you using GRUB EFI as a bootloader? if so, i know you'll need the EFI System partition. And I think "Microsoft Basic Data" has something to do with that as well.
161 [02:22:55] <somiaj> cronopio: note gnome uses wayland by default (or are you suing the old xorg gnome). I'm unsure how well xmodmap plays with wayland.
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163 [02:23:27] <maxrazer> rustbuckett, I'm using grub but these two drives are not the drives I'm booting from the EFI is left over from when it was used as a boot drive on another system.
164 [02:23:34] <rustbuckett> oh. nope. Microsoft Basic Data isn't needed for EFI boot
165 [02:23:57] <somiaj> rustbuckett: what is microsfot basic data?
166 [02:24:13] <rustbuckett> ah. so this is a secondary drive?
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168 [02:24:43] <maxrazer> These are two hard drives for additional storage or backup. I have an SSD I'm booting from.
169 [02:24:52] <rustbuckett> somiaj: it's the partition that Windows (at least Windows 10 on my system) is installed to
170 [02:25:50] <maxrazer> My system boot drive doesn't have a problem. It has EFI, Linux Filesystem and Linux swap partitions.
171 [02:26:20] <somiaj> yea, you can use uefi without ever having windows installed, though unsure what windows needs, but that is out of the scope of a debian support channel
172 [02:26:38] <rustbuckett> if it's just a secondary drive, and you don't need anything currently on the drive, you should be able to remove all the partitions. but you may need to use something like gdisk instead of fsidk.
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174 [02:27:26] <maxrazer> Oh, I never heard of gdisk. Also, I tried to run gparted and it would not run.
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176 [02:27:33] <rustbuckett> somiaj: you are correct.
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178 [02:28:10] <maxrazer> Go to a general linux channel for fdisk, gdisk and mkfs.ext4?
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189 [02:37:37] <maxrazer> I see this error that cannot start gparted is the same as I cam getting replaced-url
190 [02:37:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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193 [02:41:27] <cybrNaut> maxrazer: [f/g/sf/cf]disk tools don't generally erase all residual data. E.g. it's common that a disk label survives a repartitioning and formatting
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197 [02:43:00] <cybrNaut> maxrazer: something like this should do the job "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1024 count=512", where /dev/sdX is /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or whatever the target is
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199 [02:43:59] <cybrNaut> that will zeroize the beginning portion of the drive that often has residual filesystem metadata. Then run gdisk or whatever after that.
200 [02:44:16] <sney> there is also wipefs, a tool for doing exactly that
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202 [02:45:17] <themill> maxrazer: how are you starting gparted?
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204 [02:46:16] <maxrazer> themill, I have tried from the terminal using my username, sudo, root and from a app runner.
205 [02:47:00] <themill> and it complains "cannot open display" every time?
206 [02:47:11] <maxrazer> o protocol specified
207 [02:47:11] <maxrazer> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
208 [02:47:12] <maxrazer> (gpartedbin:13631): Gtk-WARNING **: 20:36:06.815: cannot open display: :0
209 [02:47:21] <maxrazer> Every time
210 [02:47:52] <wintersky> what is the exact command you're trying?
211 [02:47:56] <maxrazer> That bug was reported over a year ago.
212 [02:48:02] <maxrazer> gparted
213 [02:48:24] <themill> maxrazer: it's also marked as unreproducible and the reporter was asked a question that they never answered
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215 [02:48:33] <themill> Reporting the bug a year ago is irrelevant at that point
216 [02:48:44] <maxrazer> Yes, I saw that. No answer. I'm running xorg and no desktop environment.
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238 [03:12:35] <cybrNaut> maxrazer: i've seen bizarre cases where partitioning software goes apeshit and crashes purely due to unrecognized data on the drive. zero filling the beginning part of the drive is how I overcame. It's been a long time since i've encountered that variety of fragility though.
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241 [03:13:44] <maxrazer> I just tried KDE partition manager too and it shows no drives. If I run from terminal I see a bunch of errors about qdbus.
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293 [04:52:20] <ryouma> for upgrading from stretch to buster (which seems to suggest apt instead of apt-get) is it possible to do --download-only, for both the upgrade and dist-upgrade steps, first? this woul dbe to bunch up the questions asked of the user.
294 [04:54:35] <ryouma> s/dist/full/
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296 [05:00:45] <somiaj> ryouma: yes, apt contains basically the same options as apt-get.
297 [05:02:12] <somiaj> and I just tested it worked on an upgrade I had, it only downloaded the packages and did not install them
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301 [05:05:07] <ryouma> thanks. i have no such option in my apt on stretch.
302 [05:05:35] <ryouma> it seems the recommended sequence is apt upgrade; apt upgrade linux-image-amd64; apt full-upgrade. if the option existed, would i add it to all three, then run all three in squence again?
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317 [05:29:00] <YWH_1> Hello
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322 [05:32:20] <somiaj> ryouma: what do you mean you have no such option?
323 [05:32:57] <somiaj> ryouma: the option worked just fine on my stretch vm
324 [05:33:01] <ryouma> i do man apt and nothing shows. i do apt --download-only and the help text shows no such option
325 [05:33:27] <ryouma> *** 1.4.11 500
326 [05:33:36] <somiaj> apt's man page is only a piece of the puzzle, apt will pass things to apt-get and apt-cache as needed
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328 [05:34:02] <somiaj> apt 1.4.11 (amd64) --, apt --download-only upgrade worked just fine, it downloaded only the packages needed to do an upgrade.
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330 [05:34:38] <ryouma> ok i just tried apt --download-only upgrade coreutils
331 [05:34:44] <ryouma> seemed to look like it would work
332 [05:35:31] <ryouma> thanks
333 [05:35:47] <somiaj> "Much like apt itself, its manpage is intended as an end user interface and as such only mentions the most used commands and options partly to not duplicate information in multiple places..." from the manpage, it clearly states that only the most used options are listed
334 [05:35:54] <somiaj> but it is compadable with both apt-get and apt-cache
335 [05:36:04] <ryouma> ok
336 [05:38:35] <ryouma> so the second q. do i do apt update && apt --download-only upgrade && apt --download-only full-upgrade then when i want to, apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade? ignoring the kernel for brevity.
337 [05:42:19] <somiaj> I would follow the instructions in the release notes. Recentally they have been suggestion (though double check this) to upgrade the kernel and apt first.
338 [05:43:18] <ryouma> i missed the upgrading apt thing. i did get the upgrade and then kernel and then ful upgrade thing.
339 [05:43:25] <somiaj> replaced-url
340 [05:43:46] <ryouma> but i didn't see anything in there about download only, which would be really convenient not having to sit there in between debvconf promtpts or whatever it does
341 [05:44:54] <somiaj> seems that suggests apt upgrade, followed by apt full-upgrade should be sufficent.
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343 [05:45:08] <somiaj> I think it is only certain releases where upgrading the kernel and apt first are suggested
344 [05:45:33] <ryouma> what is a release?
345 [05:46:00] <ryouma> it seemed to say apt-get upgrade and then apt full-upgrade
346 [05:46:16] <ryouma> which is interesting
347 [05:46:52] <somiaj> a release is jessie, stretch, buster, and soon to be bullseye, each one the release notes have slightly different suggestions depending on what has changed since the previous release.
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349 [05:47:27] <somiaj> well apt-get was the standard tool for a while, and would use dist-upgrade, now it is suggesting apt vs apt-get (though either could be used). There was even one release (long long time ago) that prefered aptitude
350 [05:47:58] <somiaj> Note there are varitions that do work, and it isn't just a one way, but the release notes (as I linked) will always list the suggested method for that release.
351 [05:48:22] <ryouma> my source is same as yours except says stable. hmm. even name (stretch) is the same.
352 [05:49:06] <ryouma> i should try to dl them and diff them
353 [05:49:25] <somiaj> stable is a link and should change, better to use codenames
354 [05:49:29] <somiaj> s/should/will/
355 [05:49:42] <ryouma> yeah
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358 [05:50:00] <ryouma> i was saying that the release notes for stretch to buster unless i am confused suggests using apt-get and apt. not just apt.
359 [05:50:16] <Deihmos> can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong. I cloned this repo replaced-url
360 [05:50:55] <ryouma> apt-get upgrade
361 [05:51:11] <ryouma> and then apt full-upgrade
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363 [05:51:26] <Deihmos> replaced-url
364 [05:51:56] <somiaj> Deihmos: you don't have to golang build tools installed.
365 [05:52:47] <Deihmos> I see
366 [05:52:49] <Deihmos> thanks
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371 [05:56:22] <ryouma> can sources.list just be changed over to https from http everywhere?
372 [05:56:37] <ryouma> or does that occur after buster is installed
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374 [05:57:05] <somiaj> I think you need buster's apt version for that, some mirrors won't support https, and you don't gain much real secuirty/privacity that you don't already have with apt.
375 [05:58:28] <somiaj> you can install apt-https-transport to use it in stretch, but no longer needed once you have apt 1.5 or newer, which is buster
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379 [06:11:55] <maxrazer> Can I change a partition type with fdisk without destroying data? It isn't working of anything.
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382 [06:13:16] <somiaj> I belive so, the partition type flag is mostly meaningless. What matters is the actual filesystem written on the partition, not the flag in your partition table.
383 [06:14:29] <cvoges12> Yea, changing the filesystem would wreck your fs tho
384 [06:14:52] <cvoges12> Probably don't do that. But changing the partition type would be safe
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387 [06:23:17] <ryouma> i have a slow disk with 2 partitions, 1gb and 2tb-1. they have ext4. i want to save spacve by putting btrfs on, and also shrinking the partition so i cna add another partition. i know there is ext4 to btrfs conversion, but i don' tknow anything about shrinking and creating partition.
388 [06:23:47] <somiaj> do you ahve space to fully backup your data, so you don't have to convert/resize?
389 [06:24:13] <somiaj> If not, I woudln't do it, because you sould always have a backup before doing such things, and if you do ahve a backup, why not just recrate the partitions/filesystems?
390 [06:24:27] <ryouma> my usual thing is to never convert or resize for that reason yeah
391 [06:24:28] <maxrazer> btfs saves space? The conclusion I came to is that btfs is not worth it and ext4 is better.
392 [06:25:25] <somiaj> I haven't seen much on btfs saving space, but saw (years ago) a bunch of bench marks, and with ext4 it is reasonable for speed in many situtations, but other file systems out preformed in certain conditions
393 [06:25:32] <ryouma> i figure that deduplication can be done enough to save space where there is duplication, the little tricks like putting stuff in parts of blocks that would be otherwise fallow will save space and compression will safe space (a few percent). feel free to poke holes in that.
394 [06:25:38] <somiaj> Though I think the biggest thing people like about btrfs and zfs is the snapshots.
395 [06:25:56] <somiaj> (note with lvm + ext4 you can get all the snapshot abilities I belive -- or at least similar)
396 [06:26:25] <cvoges12> Yes, btrfs can save space replaced-url
397 [06:27:16] <ryouma> also i think you do't ahve reserved inodes
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401 [06:28:02] <ryouma> o am having a devil of a time finding a disk and an extenal enclosure but hav eto do it
402 [06:28:04] <cvoges12> somiaj: Personally, I appreciate btrfs b/c of snapshots and self-healing
403 [06:28:16] <ryouma> can it self-heal with only one partition?
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405 [06:28:24] <ryouma> or do you need raid 1
406 [06:28:43] <cvoges12> Using checksum. So yes
407 [06:29:03] <ryouma> but where would ti get the correct data from.... oh a data correction checksum?
408 [06:29:12] <cvoges12> Yea
409 [06:29:15] <ryouma> nice
410 [06:29:38] <ryouma> i thought it was just a hash
411 [06:30:08] <cvoges12> Self healing isn't really the same as raid where one can save parts of a disk and the other is more for total disk failure
412 [06:30:27] <somiaj> though that just ends up taking more space? Anyways, yea I hear various nice things, though snapshots seem to be a high in demand tool (hence my lvm mention). My needs are very simple, so I just stick with ext4+backups since it is very solid.
413 [06:30:27] <ryouma> although some have claimed btrfs is useless in practice because disks already do that, idk the deal
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415 [06:32:36] <ryouma> yeah you'd think data corretion would taka a ton of space
416 [06:33:04] <cvoges12> I would like to see proof for those claims where disks do that. Maybe with their internal cache (???) which would be super sketch b//c the cache is super volatile
417 [06:33:07] <somiaj> Though a lot depends on your needs and your backup structure.
418 [06:33:55] <somiaj> cvoges12: I thought ssds have some very limited things (maybe not full self-healing) but don't they contain a bit extra space so as a few nodes go bad, they shut those off and use some of the backup ones?
419 [06:34:02] <somiaj> though this is also way out of my league.
420 [06:34:20] <cvoges12> SSDs have multiple copies, yes. But not true self healing
421 [06:35:26] <somiaj> I wish I could figure out how to get data off an ssd that died. Basically I can read the filesystem headers, and can almost read some data, but then start getting i/o errors. So it isn't fully dead, but isn't alive enough to copy anything off of it.
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423 [06:35:42] <somiaj> I think it has about 2-3 months of data that I didn't backup, so I'm not too worried, but be nice to recove.
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426 [06:37:17] <ryouma> i am trying to find an enclosre for a crucial that has been sitting around for more than a year
427 [06:37:48] <cvoges12> The only real part where btrfs is unstable is during parity 5 or 6 raid. There you can have a write hole during an unexpected power failure. If this is a laptop, you have no issues. If it's a server or desktop, get a UPS which you should get anyways. And safely power down as UPS' battery is getting drained during power outage
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431 [06:39:42] <cvoges12> Did you guys get my last reply?
432 [06:40:05] <somiaj> I saw the one about 'the only real part...'
433 [06:40:33] <cvoges12> Good. Network loss here
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452 [07:24:01] <gry> somiaj: on what continent are you?
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461 [07:42:49] <somiaj> gry: West cost of usa
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471 [08:02:52] <jelly> USA is not a continent... yet
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473 [08:07:07] <somiaj> yea, I was being a bit more specific
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477 [08:10:08] <jelly> I mean one could use some very large scissors, building a wall would not be practical
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479 [08:10:40] <folti_> earthquakes will do the job :D
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495 [08:32:57] <qrpnxz> jelly, neither is Europe, but that's not stopping them lol
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510 [08:49:51] <Hash> Dorks
511 [08:49:54] <Hash> :D
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514 [08:52:25] <Hash> I have group called `replaced-url
515 [08:53:19] <Hash> Is something else I need to do in Debian stable?
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519 [08:53:56] <Hash> Something about some directory umask? Did something change in debian where his years old tried and tested permission setup no longer works?
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526 [08:57:20] <ratrace> Hash: so what's the resulting ownership and permission when PHP (not nginx) uploads a file in the dir?
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529 [08:57:59] <ratrace> meanwhile, I do the other way around. PHP runs as some_user. nginx runs as replaced-url
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531 [08:58:14] <ratrace> nginx doesn't need write, only read access. default 750 with this model works fine.
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533 [08:58:52] <ratrace> also lends into SFTP chroot requirements (root:some_user, 750 on the site $HOME dir)
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539 [09:05:18] <Nichi> what do i do with this replaced-url
540 [09:05:41] <Nichi> after i installed steam
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545 [09:07:44] <TheBigK> Nichi: why is this configuration not there... for me its available
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548 [09:08:26] <TheBigK> i have that file. for me it has "autospawn=no" in it... may be create that file and do dpkg --configure -a and see if that fixed the postinstall
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550 [09:09:53] <Nichi> replaced-url
551 [09:10:00] <Nichi> after dpkg command
552 [09:10:09] <TheBigK> !paste
553 [09:10:10] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
554 [09:10:15] <TheBigK> pls use that instead
555 [09:10:34] <Nichi> !paste
556 [09:10:35] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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559 [09:11:13] <TheBigK> Nichi: u posted the same image
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561 [09:11:22] <Nichi> replaced-url
562 [09:12:12] <TheBigK> thats not the whole story, is it ?
563 [09:12:38] <Nichi> wait
564 [09:13:01] <TheBigK> replaced-url
565 [09:13:14] <Nichi> replaced-url
566 [09:14:07] <TheBigK> Nichi: did u add i386 architecture?
567 [09:14:40] <TheBigK> check out the wiki article i think u might find the right commands there to fix those dependencies
568 [09:15:58] <Nichi> ok thanks
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573 [09:28:01] <ratrace> on regular debian, `apt get steam` suffices, after enabling i386 and according to the above, it is. it JustWorks(tm) out of the box.
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584 [09:34:04] <TheBigK> ratrace: thanks for completing that :)
585 [09:34:39] <ratrace> `apt install` I haven't yet had muh coffee!
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594 [09:42:06] <ratrace> ugh samba! "[...]due to the various cycles, freeze windows and support lifetimes, Debian almost always ships unsupported Samba versions, and even if the series is supported, the point release is not, because those are not followed, so manual back-porting is always required. [...] That said, the LTS team has patched a number of issues that are unpatched in Debian Stable [...]" ..
595 [09:42:12] <ratrace> replaced-url
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681 [11:48:22] <Hi-Angel> How can I make `dpkg-buildpackage` not to fail with `dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:` ? I'm debugging some packaging problem in a project, so I do make "local modifications", and this failure really interferes.
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686 [11:49:30] <jelly> Hi-Angel, can you show complete command line and output?
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691 [11:51:19] <jelly> an "info" line does not seem like an explanation for fail, is there some sort of error as well
692 [11:51:30] <Hi-Angel> jelly: thank you, sure, here: replaced-url
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698 [11:52:59] <jelly> dpkg-source: info: you can integrate the local changes with dpkg-source --commit
699 [11:53:20] <jelly> do that, add patch to debian/patches/, update series?
700 [11:53:49] <jelly> dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/scst_3.6.0.8270-1.1.diff.Yqw7jx # there's the actual error
701 [11:54:19] <jelly> Hi-Angel, replaced-url
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706 [11:59:18] <Hi-Angel> So, I think the workflow regarding `dpkg-source --commit` in this project is broken, because the patch disappears (apparently it gets removed) and the I get the error again. Either way, is there a way to just disable this error? It is only harmful for me if anything, because while trying to fix packaing of course I do various changes to the code. And I can't test these changes.
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712 [12:06:26] <jelly> no idea, but ask in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org) if noone else comments here
713 [12:07:39] <jelly> if doesn't seem too hard to make a change, diff and put it to debian/patches/, restore original file in tree, and then build
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715 [12:08:34] <jelly> I don't know how debian developers actually do it
716 [12:09:36] <Unit193> Or just literally use /tmp/scst_3.6.0.8270-1.1.diff.Yqw7jx and patch -R -i /tmp/scst_3.6.0.8270-1.1.diff.Yqw7jx :P
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723 [12:14:52] <jelly> they said the diff got removed
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726 [12:16:31] <jelly> nice to see SCST is still alive
727 [12:16:48] <Unit193> Ah sorry.
728 [12:17:21] <jelly> I always thought it was better designed than LIO and the stuff that actually entered mainline
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735 [12:19:04] <Hi-Angel> Yeah, the patch in `debian/` dir that gets added by `dpkg-source --commit` gets also removed. Oh well, since apparently there's no easy solution, I'll dig into it
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789 [13:16:33] <wyre> do you recommend me some specific article about using overlayfs in Debian? 🤔
790 [13:17:17] <Hi-Angel> God bless bpftrace. It seems, most of the stuff `dpkg-buildpackage` does on its own, I couldn't find for example what code makes it do the check, etc. However, thanks to `bpftrace` I managed to see what processes with what args are being launched, and found out that dpkg-buildpackage for some reason puts a tar.gz that it uses for comparison to `../` dir. Removing that archive fixed my problems.
791 [13:17:45] <wyre> I'd like to mount the whole system as overlayfs because I'm working with embebed systems and I'd like to preserve the SSD life
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793 [13:18:13] <alkisg> wyre, you may check out ltsp.org source code if you want, it does that
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795 [13:19:25] <wyre> alkisg, good point, but right now the project is under Debian ... so I'd like to keep it but just making it read-only
796 [13:20:01] <alkisg> wyre: I wasn't suggesting that you use ltsp. I was suggesting that you read the code there to see how to handle overlayfs and its quirks
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799 [13:21:08] <jelly> Hi-Angel, strace is a thing you know
800 [13:21:33] <wyre> alkisg, apparently raspberry pi os also uses overlayfs for this purpose and I've reading the raspi-config script which handles this, but I'm not sure this is applicable to Debian
801 [13:21:41] <jelly> strace -f -eopen,openat ...
802 [13:21:58] <jelly> but I'm also kind of interested in how you reimplemented that with bpftrace
803 [13:22:00] <alkisg> wyre: afaik rasberry pi os doesn't use overlayfs to preserve the sdcard, no
804 [13:22:10] <wyre> alkisg, replaced-url
805 [13:22:17] <wyre> it does if you enable it
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807 [13:22:44] <jelly> oh, processes with args. in that case execve is the syscall to strace for
808 [13:22:54] <alkisg> wyre: ah ok yeah I was talking about the defaults
809 [13:23:04] <wyre> sure 😁
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812 [13:23:24] <Hi-Angel> jelly: the command I used is `sudo bpftrace -e 'tracepoint:syscalls:sys_enter_exec*{ printf("pid: %d, comm: %s, args: ", pid, comm); join(args->argv); }'`
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814 [13:24:54] <alkisg> wyre, apparently it adds boot=overlay in the kernel cmdline, then it updates the initramfs, and at the next reboot, they will probably have an initrd-bottom hook to handle it
815 [13:27:10] <wyre> so do you think could I do the same in Debian?
816 [13:27:49] <alkisg> wyre: ltsp is in debian and does that, yeah
817 [13:28:18] <wyre> so ltsp does the same? 🤔
818 [13:28:27] <alkisg> It's one of the many things it does
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820 [13:28:53] <alkisg> I'm not saying "use ltsp", I'm saying "sure it's possible to do this in debian" (btw I'm an ltsp developer)
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822 [13:30:36] <alkisg> Let me see the rapsbios initrd-bottom hook in case it's easier for your use case
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824 [13:31:37] <wyre> I'd appreciate so much ... in fact I'll check and maybe consider to use ltsp instead 😊
825 [13:32:28] <alkisg> With ltsp, you'd `apt install ltsp`, then `update-initramfs -u`, and finally you'd pass an `ltsp.image=` command line, which would activate ltsp mode,
826 [13:32:48] <alkisg> ...which is an overlayfs mode with an additional /etc/ltsp/ltsp.conf file that does some magic, if you want that
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828 [13:33:11] <alkisg> The idea is that it allows many clients to netboot and be centrally managed, but it can also be used for what you want
829 [13:34:05] <alkisg> wyre: in raspi-config, read this line and below: cat > /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/overlay << 'EOF'
830 [13:34:16] <alkisg> This adds the initrd hook
831 [13:35:40] <alkisg> It seems portable enough, you should be able to use that one in debian as well, with just a few changes (e.g. no /boot/config.txt in debian)
832 [13:35:55] * alkisg waves, back later...
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834 [13:36:17] <horribleprogram> yo guys
835 [13:36:33] <horribleprogram> i can't install libc6:i386 ?
836 [13:36:33] <wyre> cy alkisg and ty 👋
837 [13:36:46] <horribleprogram> steamcmd:i386 : Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.12) but it is not going to be installed
838 [13:36:49] <horribleprogram> Depends: libstdc++6:i386 but it is not going to be installed
839 [13:36:53] <jelly> !multiarch
840 [13:36:53] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
841 [13:36:57] <horribleprogram> I have it
842 [13:37:12] <horribleprogram> 'multiverse' distribution component is already enabled for all sources.
843 [13:37:28] <horribleprogram> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
844 [13:37:28] <jelly> horribleprogram, multiverse is an ubuntu thing, not debian
845 [13:37:28] <avu> "ultiverse" is a Ubuntu thing
846 [13:37:33] <horribleprogram> fuck
847 [13:37:45] <horribleprogram> how I redo it
848 [13:37:45] <jelly> read the instructions carefully
849 [13:37:59] <jelly> don't forget a command.
850 [13:38:05] <avu> also, "multiverse" and "multiarch" are not the same word ;)
851 [13:38:21] <jelly> sydliexa is a thing.
852 [13:38:34] <horribleprogram> it's the same concept
853 [13:38:42] <avu> no, not at all
854 [13:38:43] <jelly> horribleprogram, not at all
855 [13:38:51] <jelly> Ubuntu has multiarch as well.
856 [13:38:59] <horribleprogram> I'm on ubuntu
857 [13:39:09] <jelly> oh
858 [13:39:10] <avu> then you're in the wrong channel
859 [13:39:18] <jelly> /join #ubuntu
860 [13:39:21] <horribleprogram> what channel should I go to then
861 [13:39:22] <jelly> and ask there
862 [13:39:23] <horribleprogram> ty
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864 [13:41:32] <horribleprogram> dude Ubuntu weirdos are such losers
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871 [13:47:30] <EdePopede> they were not able to help?
872 [13:49:06] <horribleprogram> someone is helping
873 [13:49:47] <horribleprogram> his name is literally loser
874 [13:49:53] <horribleprogram> I can't make this shit up
875 [13:52:29] <teclo-> heh
876 [13:52:49] <teclo-> sorry for you horribleprogram but this made me chuckle
877 [13:53:26] <teclo-> haven't used Ubuntu in... perhaps... 10 years, I had one machine on Ubuntu
878 [13:53:42] <teclo-> and after e few months went back to Debian GNU/Linux
879 [13:54:31] <teclo-> at that time I had issues with Ubuntu, basically 6 months there's a new version so every 6 months your system breaks because you upgraded...
880 [13:55:33] <horribleprogram> i feel you
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882 [13:56:02] <jelly> every two years is a better cadence for system breakages
883 [13:56:16] <jelly> !release history
884 [13:56:16] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
885 [13:57:04] <horribleprogram> fuck I just got embarassed in #ubuntu
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889 [14:00:14] <horribleprogram> Download steam.gpg and install it as /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/steam.gpg
890 [14:00:27] <horribleprogram> I'm not asking #ubuntu I've already embarassed myself
891 [14:00:59] <horribleprogram> but sudo wget blah.com/steam.gpg > /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/steam.gpg gets denied
892 [14:01:44] <avu> the sudo just applied to the wget, the redirection is handled by your shell and thus as your user
893 [14:01:57] <avu> one common pattern is `wget foo | sudo too /path`
894 [14:02:03] <avu> erm, tee, not too
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896 [14:02:26] <horribleprogram> ahh
897 [14:03:07] <horribleprogram> omfg that worked
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900 [14:07:40] <horribleprogram> dude #ubuntu is way cooler than you guys honestly
901 [14:07:55] <horribleprogram> this guy walked me through the entire process
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930 [14:23:32] <raub> Have a network card that is listed in the pci chain but not as a /dev/network-thingie. Driver issue?
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933 [14:25:23] <raub> lshw -C network sees it
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936 [14:29:28] <raub> Ah, it is being listed as /dev/fb0. ip a is not listing it, so I am missing a step somewhere
937 [14:30:34] <raub> But that means it is a video card (FrameBuffer)?
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941 [14:36:43] <jelly> raub, /dev/fb0 is not related to network anything, that's a frame buffer virtual device created from a driver for a graphic card
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943 [14:37:06] <jelly> raub, pastebin the output of lspci -nn
944 [14:37:13] <jelly> raub, which debian release is this?
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946 [14:38:21] <raub> jelly: buster
947 [14:38:58] <raub> jelly: replaced-url
948 [14:39:00] <jelly> avu, wget outputs to file by default. curl does stdout. So, probably, wget -O- URL | sudo tee /path/to/file
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952 [14:39:59] <raub> jelly, avu: curl -O URL will kinda emulate wget. curl -o myfile URL will save to myfile
953 [14:40:28] <raub> jelly: wrong pastebin
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955 [14:41:07] <jelly> yes, paste.debian.net is the right one :-D
956 [14:41:47] <raub> replaced-url
957 [14:41:49] <jelly> (I kid, any non-js-requiriing pastebin is fine)
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959 [14:41:59] <raub> jelly: ;)
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961 [14:42:41] <jelly> raub, that's not "lspci -nn" either, I don't see PCI IDs
962 [14:42:54] <raub> jelly: line 22
963 [14:43:23] <raub> Hence line 80
964 [14:43:31] <jelly> raub, there is no PCI ID in line 22
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966 [14:44:15] <jelly> raub, I asked for "lspci -nn" to verify numeric PCI ID and debian kernel support
967 [14:44:32] <raub> jelly: replaced-url
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970 [14:45:59] <jelly> /lib/modules/4.19.0-13-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v000015B3d00001004sv*sd*bc*sc*i* mlx4_core
971 [14:46:03] <jelly> looks supported
972 [14:46:08] <jelly> at least technically
973 [14:46:50] <raub> That is what I expected. But I do not know why it is treating it as shown
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975 [14:47:40] <jelly> does it work on the host if you don't use pci passthrough?
976 [14:47:58] <raub> host or guest?
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978 [14:48:36] <raub> Because I could also turn sr-iov off and pass the entire card
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980 [14:48:59] <jelly> oh, there's also sr-iov
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982 [14:49:52] <jelly> raub, okay. Is mlx4_en module loaded?
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985 [14:51:09] <jelly> (I'm _guessing_ that one provides ethernet functions on top of mlx4_core which binds the hardware)
986 [14:51:36] * jelly does not have any mellanox cards on linux
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988 [14:51:46] <raub> I see what you mean. Maybe it needs to have mxl4_en enabled in the guest?
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990 [14:52:08] <jelly> raub, that's what I'm asking, is mlx4_en module loaded in the Debian guest?
991 [14:53:05] <raub> lsmod |grep mlx says it is
992 [14:53:43] <jelly> no idea then. pastebin full "dmesg" and "ip l", maybe there's something obvious
993 [14:53:51] <raub> (I can pastebin rhat)
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995 [14:54:42] <jelly> also, I have no clue what lshw does to think /dev/fb0 is related to mellanox card
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998 [14:56:02] <raska> anyone else notice the SID has been removed from bullseye ? repos now say -main
999 [14:56:50] <jelly> raska, what do you mean "removed from bullseye"
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1001 [14:58:20] <raska> It's no longer showing up as SID in neofetch and I checked the repo's have been updated
1002 [14:59:00] <jelly> ,i neofetch
1003 [14:59:02] <judd> Package neofetch (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Shows Linux System Information with Distribution Logo. Version: 6.0.0-2; Size: 101.9k; Installed: 328k; Homepage: replaced-url
1004 [14:59:10] <jelly> TIL
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1006 [15:00:05] <raska> I've been using bulseye for quite a few months now and just noticed the change in the latest update
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1009 [15:00:33] <raska> "bullseye"
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1011 [15:00:55] <jelly> raska, do you mean the /sid suffix in bullseye/sid, that comes base-files package and its /etc/debian_version file?
1012 [15:01:09] <raska> yeah
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1014 [15:04:28] <jelly> the base-files package has to be updated at some point before the release, yes
1015 [15:05:00] <jelly> usually a sign the release might be close
1016 [15:05:09] <raska> it's changed from /sid to /main
1017 [15:05:33] <jelly> in /etc/debian_release?
1018 [15:05:39] <jelly> sorry
1019 [15:05:45] <jelly> /etc/debian_version
1020 [15:08:03] <raska> It now searches replaced-url
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1049 [15:38:06] <alkisg> wyre: back, if you need something feel free to ping
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1069 [15:48:22] <wyre> sure! 😀 maybe in a few days, you are very kind alkisg 😊
1070 [15:48:32] <alkisg> :thumbs:
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1269 [17:55:52] <Yzeno> hey
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1284 [18:05:02] <Trieste> hi, I'm using libvirt, is it possible to suspend all guests to disk automatically on host shutdown?
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1286 [18:06:22] <Trieste> oh nevermind *just* found the wiki
1287 [18:06:34] <Trieste> apologies for being my rubberducky
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1289 [18:09:36] <jelly> Trieste, wel now you have to tell us the answer, too
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1292 [18:10:28] <Trieste> It's in /etc/default/libvirt-guests, all pretty and well-commented too
1293 [18:10:47] <Trieste> The only thing I'm not sure is when it's actually read, but I ran `systemctl reload libvirtd` for good measure
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1303 [18:32:47] <krz> So Im installing Debian and get an error like: hcio failed to load intel firmware
1304 [18:33:13] <krz> Am I supposed to use an ISO from the Non free branch: replaced-url
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1306 [18:36:32] <krz> Or from replaced-url
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1308 [18:38:33] <sussudio> isn't one just a link to the other
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1312 [18:39:54] <jhutchins> I think the only problem with not loading Intel firmware would possibly be low-res video. The CPU should work just fin e witjhout it. You can complete a basic installation and install the firmware after the install completes.
1313 [18:40:50] <krz> Installation actually completes. Its when the OS boots, I get the error
1314 [18:41:00] <krz> Anyways, Im downloading replaced-url
1315 [18:41:12] <krz> Which should include non-free firmware
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1319 [18:46:04] <jhutchins> krz: There's no need to re-run the installer. You can install the firmware on the existing system.
1320 [18:46:08] <jhutchins> !firmware
1321 [18:46:08] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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1324 [18:52:31] <krz> jhutchins: I cant even boot into the system
1325 [18:52:41] <krz> How would I install the firmware?
1326 [18:53:57] <jhutchins> krz: Can you not boot, or are you just unable to get a GUI?
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1328 [18:55:11] <jhutchins> Does the installer image boot?
1329 [18:55:36] <krz> I cant get a GUI
1330 [18:55:43] <krz> Im fine with reinstalling really
1331 [18:57:14] <jhutchins> krz: You can install the firmware from the console.
1332 [18:58:04] <jhutchins> krz: Linux is extremely modular, so a failure of one component usually doesn't even require a reboot, just repair and restart the service.
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1341 [19:09:47] <alex11> is it normal not to even be able to ls /opt?
1342 [19:09:54] <alex11> as an unprivileged user
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1344 [19:11:14] <sney> alex11: default buster permissions for /opt are drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 25 19:59 /opt , so out of the box a user would be able to ls it and its contents (though it's empty by default)
1345 [19:11:38] <alex11> not that it really matters but i guess i did something weird to it
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1347 [19:11:50] <sney> alex11: 3rd party software installers commonly use /opt, so if you ran some installer as root it may have mangled that for you.
1348 [19:11:54] <sney> it's ok, that's what /opt is for.
1349 [19:12:06] <alex11> the only thing in it is some thing called containerd
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1352 [19:17:02] <maxrazer2> The reason gparted wouldn't run was because I'm using the XDM display manager which doesn't set the XAUTHORITY variable like GDM or some other display manager. So, it has to be set somewhere like in .profile to $HOME/.Xauthority
1353 [19:17:30] <maxrazer2> There is a bug report on this issue, but no solution posted. That is probably the solution for the user reporting this bug.
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1362 [19:24:23] <coyotes4ys> any good medieval or natural town simulators?
1363 [19:24:44] <somiaj> well there is 0ad, but that is more age of empires
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1366 [19:26:20] <nkuttler> the building aspect isn't bad though
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1371 [19:30:37] <coyotes4ys> ok i've had that installed for awhile but never tried it
1372 [19:30:41] <coyotes4ys> thanks :D
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1374 [19:34:22] <krz> So even with the unofficial non free iso (replaced-url
1375 [19:34:27] <krz> Is this supposed to be expected??
1376 [19:35:40] <sney> if your network interface is new-ish, it may not have support in the 4.19 kernel.
1377 [19:36:05] <sney> there are 2 components here: the driver, which is in the kernel; and the firmware, which is a separate file that enables frequency settings and stuff
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1380 [19:37:16] <sney> you can try this one, replaced-url
1381 [19:37:23] <sney> if this works then your network interface is too new for buster.
1382 [19:37:27] <krz> I have an Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201 802.11AX wifi card
1383 [19:37:37] <sney> yep, wifi 6 is only supported in 5.x kernels
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1385 [19:38:22] <krz> Ok thats probably why
1386 [19:38:39] <krz> I believe Bullseye is the unstable version?
1387 [19:38:55] <sney> bullseye is the testing version, it will be released as debian 11 in a few months
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1392 [19:42:12] <jhutchins> I would think that the card should be capable of fallback, there's not much 6 compatible gear out there.
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1401 [19:54:13] <krz> Unfortunately the card is also not supported on Freebsd
1402 [19:54:18] <krz> Supported on Openbsd though
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1405 [19:58:31] <krz> While Im waiting for USB to flash iso. I remember on the previous install. It allocated 1gb RAM for swap. Is this fine?
1406 [19:58:41] <krz> I have 32gb ram on the laptop
1407 [19:59:00] <krz> 1gb ram = 1gb for swap
1408 [19:59:44] <Trieste> ][p
1409 [20:00:10] <jhutchins> krz: You should be fine with that much real RAM. You don't' want to have the kernel trying to manage a huge swap space.
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1411 [20:00:44] <zerocool> sney: in a few months?
1412 [20:00:45] <krz> Was thinking more about hibernate
1413 [20:00:47] <zerocool> r u sure
1414 [20:00:50] <krz> On a laptop btw
1415 [20:01:10] <jhutchins> krz: Sometimes you need swap >= to RAM to syspend to disk.
1416 [20:01:50] <krz> Well in that case, should I be setting swap space to >= RAM? i.e. 32gb?
1417 [20:01:58] <coc0nut> how efficient is it to use a headless vm for a dedicated external harddrive on 10+tb. say truenas or something. would it be io complicated to do this? like cpu/memory going nuts and stuff on the host
1418 [20:02:40] <jhutchins> krz: Is this a laptop? Do you expect to use suspend often?
1419 [20:03:19] <jhutchins> coc0nut: Why have a VM layer? Why not just have a hardware install for an exterrnal storage?
1420 [20:03:34] <krz> jhutchins: Yeap on a laptop. On Arch managed to get hibernate going
1421 [20:03:43] <krz> Was using a swap file
1422 [20:03:55] <krz> If I can get suspend. Even better
1423 [20:04:14] <jmcnaught> I would prefer suspend to hibernate myself.
1424 [20:04:14] <krz> Hibernate actually shuts the laptop down and saves to disk
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1426 [20:05:18] <krz> Id like to close lid, and eventually enter some kind of power saving mode. If suspend is the way to go. How much swap should I give it?
1427 [20:05:25] <coc0nut> jhutchins, i have a imac 2012.. using mac os, and started 2 headless debian servers on it. was thinking to do a storage media server. isolating downloaded media from personal computing. dont know, but im experimenting with stuff :P
1428 [20:06:22] <jmcnaught> krz: if you tell the installer to use LVM and to leave some free unallocated space in the volume group then you can always resize swap later if you need to.
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1431 [20:07:40] <jmcnaught> Also worth noting that Secure Boot breaks hibernation.
1432 [20:08:11] <jhutchins> coc0nut: Well, have fun. If it were a serious storage server you'd want minimal overhead, so direct hardware would be better than VMs. You probably just have the MacOS share the storage directly, but learning VM systems is a good goal too.
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1436 [20:10:47] <krz> jmcnaught: What if I tell the LVM to assign no swap. After installation, setup a swapfile instead. Is that viable?
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1438 [20:11:05] <krz> no swap = no swap partition
1439 [20:11:32] <jmcnaught> krz: yes, or if you have free space left on your LVM volume group then you can also create a swap volume
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1441 [20:11:35] <jhutchins> I'm not sure a swap file would work for suspend.
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1452 [20:28:05] <happy_potato> Hi everybody! I am trying to figure out if changes to grub.cfg in EFI partition will be overwritten when grub gets updated. I just visited the channel #debian-apt, but I am alone there.... does anybody here have any pointers?
1453 [20:28:53] <sussudio> happy_potato: not until you run update-grub, i'm guessing?
1454 [20:30:28] <sussudio> happy_potato: i think you want /etc/default/grub
1455 [20:31:25] <happy_potato> @sussudio: I would also assume that... but better check! I am thinking on signing grub.cfg and the efi binary, and if grub.cfg gets updated... I might find myself with a bricked system :S
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1457 [20:32:08] <sussudio> happy_potato: grub.cfg is generated when you run update-grub, so it will change.
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1459 [20:33:46] <happy_potato> sussudio: that is the one in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, I am referring to the one in /boot/efi/debian/grub.cfg. That one gets created when grub-install is run
1460 [20:34:20] <happy_potato> but I do not know if it gets 'refreshed' when grub gets updated or so
1461 [20:35:41] <folti_> <happy_potato>: man grub-mkconfig
1462 [20:35:49] <sussudio> it will probably say so in the file itself
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1468 [20:40:35] <happy_potato> @sussudio: already tried that... the file is mostly empty :-(. @folti_: yes, I already did so, but it says nothing
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1473 [20:41:54] <happy_potato> the problem is that is on the EFI partition (so, vfat), and I cannot set the file to be immutable. At least then I'd be able to control when it gets updated
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1475 [20:45:03] <folti_> <happy_potato>: wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB pretty good read. what kind of situation are you afraid of?
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1480 [20:49:06] <happy_potato> @folti_: I am setting up a machine with secureboot enabled, and grub checking the signatures of grub.cfg, initramfs and the kernel. I have modified the grub-mkconfig script so that when update-grub gets called, /boot/grub/grub.cfg and all the required files are signed... but /boot/grub/grub.cfg gets included by /boot/efi/debian/grub.cfg. If an update of grub gets installed, and the file /boot/efi/debian/grub.cfg gets
1481 [20:49:07] <happy_potato> overwritten, the signature will not match
1482 [20:50:08] <happy_potato> oh, wait... I am an idiot: if that file gets overwritten, will get overwritten with its default... so grub will not check the signatures, but will still boot
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1484 [20:50:52] <folti_> have a cup of tea and then go back at the machine:)
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1486 [20:53:12] <folti_> oh, we''re getting a grub 2.04 with bullseye
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1488 [20:53:20] <folti_> nice
1489 [20:53:28] <happy_potato> lol :-D it is more beer time over here :-D
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1491 [20:54:26] <folti_> beer, tea...who cares. clears mind :))
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1507 [21:21:15] <sney> zerocool: sure, here are a few bets on when it will be
1508 [21:21:20] <sney> !bullseye pool 1
1509 [21:21:20] <dpkg> ! antto=2021-07-07 räträcé=2021-06-13 jëlly=2021-06-06 themíll=2021-09-01
1510 [21:21:34] <sney> we're close to the end of the freeze
1511 [21:27:27] <zerocool> exciting. i've been on testing since buster, then went stable so i really have no idea what is upstream, excited to see :)
1512 [21:27:39] <zerocool> sorry, until* buster
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1514 [21:28:14] <zerocool> hopefully not selinux ;P
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1516 [21:28:51] <antto> what's the prize if i win?
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1519 [21:36:40] <sussudio> !win antto
1520 [21:36:40] <dpkg> Congratulations, antto! You have won the US presidency!
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1523 [21:39:53] <sney> dang. I hope that's returnable.
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1537 [21:57:55] <jack2019> Hi, what happened if raid5 totally lost the array?
1538 [21:58:41] <sney> depends on what kind of raid, and what you mean by "totally lost"
1539 [21:58:44] <jack2019> It looks like the array are destroyed by mistake in all 3 disk
1540 [21:58:49] <sney> but either way, it's a good time to make sure your backups are intact
1541 [21:59:16] <jack2019> desnot exist any mbr or any backup
1542 [21:59:36] <sney> then you have learned a lesson.
1543 [21:59:43] <jack2019> yes sure
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1545 [22:02:28] <jack2019> someone who's experienced in dealing with md RAID problems and failures?
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1548 [22:04:31] <sney> you still didn't say what kind of raid.
1549 [22:04:32] <sney> !your screen
1550 [22:04:32] <dpkg> Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what>
1551 [22:04:56] <sney> oh wait, md.
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1555 [22:06:16] <jhutchins> jack2019: What have you done so far? Does the BIOS/UEFI see the array? The individual disks? Can you see them if you boot to a live image?
1556 [22:06:58] <sney> there are some tips here, if you still have notes or information on the array, replaced-url
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1560 [22:09:46] <jack2019> jhutchins, the array is in software RAID, created by mdadm
1561 [22:10:14] <jmcnaught> jack2019: can you show us a pastebin of 'mdadm --detail …" for the array?
1562 [22:13:26] <jack2019> jhutchins, mdadm: /dev.... does not appear to be an md device
1563 [22:14:17] <jmcnaught> jack2019: did you use literal "...." in the command, or an array device like /dev/md127?
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1566 [22:15:18] <jack2019> jhutchins, does not recognize something, looks like all heads are destroyes... something has rewrite on mbr
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1574 [22:20:36] <jack2019> jhutchins, I am not sure if testdisk can do something
1575 [22:22:35] <jack2019> sney, thank you for url
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1577 [22:25:44] <jack2019> is a big challenge, still if i recover md, after that I have to find luks and lvm. good luck to me.
1578 [22:26:46] <sney> all of that data security and no backups eh
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1581 [22:28:44] <jack2019> sney, Murphy's law, accident happened always
1582 [22:30:44] <sussudio> jack2019: are they seagate disks
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1584 [22:31:35] <sney> oh boy here come the statistics understanders
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1586 [22:32:03] <jack2019> sussudio, RAID5 - 3 seperated disk
1587 [22:32:06] <sney> jack2019: for best results, whether you recover this or not, keep some offline backups of your important stuff. there are lots of tools and options to make it easy and automatic.
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1589 [22:35:03] <jack2019> sney, thank you
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1604 [22:51:20] <jhutchins> sney: How many failed arrays with luks and lvm do we see in a month?
1605 [22:52:28] <sney> jhutchins: can't say I keep track, but it's always a good time for people to learn that raid is not backup
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1623 [23:04:04] <jhutchins> All three drives failing at once sounds like a failed controller, but I haven't worked directly with PC raid since it ran on dedicated SCSI controlers.
1624 [23:05:00] <jhutchins> If the controller was a couple of years old and failed, it was pretty impossible to get a new one of the same model, and every new model seemed to use a different protocol, so no recovery.
1625 [23:05:11] <sney> all three drives getting their superblocks wiped at once, with possibility of recovery, sounds more like human error than hardware
1626 [23:05:56] <sney> and yeah relying on a specific hardware controller is a big part of why zfs is so popular. and md too.
1627 [23:06:19] <sney> consumer NAS boxes often use embedded linux with md rather than a hardware controller too.
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1633 [23:14:39] <sussudio> i used a consumer nas once. it corrupted every single file, and it kept doing it in a reproducible fashion.
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1654 [23:29:33] <stemid> hey I'm using raspberry pi os but I don't know if they have an irc channel and this is pretty much debian related. /etc/debian_version says 10.8. as far as I can tell you can enter kernel modules with parameters into /etc/modules. and if I run sudo modprobe g_mass_storage file=/piusb.bin stall=0 removable=1 I turn my raspberry pi zero w into a usb storage device. but I tried putting g_mass_storage
1655 [23:29:42] <stemid> file=/piusb.bin stall=0 removable=1 into /etc/modules to run it on boot but it won't work. anyone know why?
1656 [23:29:54] <sney> !raspbian
1657 [23:29:54] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1658 [23:30:08] <sney> they have 2 channels as you can see ^
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1661 [23:31:21] <stemid> ok thanks
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1667 [23:38:47] <jhutchins> We had one of the big Dell arrays loose it's map, and only found out when the drive that stored the backup map also failed.
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