1[00:01:02] <jhutchins> DJAnonimo: vi is a little picky of when it shows color.
2[00:01:44] <DJAnonimo> well I need them for scripts X)
3[00:01:52] <DJAnonimo> hard to look in a script if no colors
4[00:02:24] <cws> No it isn't.
5[00:02:40] <DJAnonimo> !curl
6[00:02:40] <dpkg> cURL is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, TFTP, Telnet, DICT, FILE and LDAP. Supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, Kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password authentication, file transfer resume, HTTP proxy tunneling. replaced-url
7[00:03:14] <jhutchins> DJAnonimo: Try looking at a COBOL program on 17" greenbar.
11[00:04:11] <jmcnaught> DJAnonimo: you are probably using vim-tiny, try vim or vim-nox packages instead ("apt show vim-nox" to see descriptions)
12[00:04:58] <DJAnonimo> Version: 2:8.2.2434-3
13[00:05:13] <genevino> vim-nox should do
14[00:05:21] <DJAnonimo> it will replace vi ?
15[00:05:34] <DJAnonimo> I mean if installed with apt-het
16[00:06:08] <genevino> i think that vim will be used if you type vi on most computers these days, do you really need the "old" one?
17[00:06:27] <jmcnaught> It will replace vi if you install vim-nox or one of the others. This is configurable through Debian's alternatives system (see for example "update-alternatives --display vi")
18[00:06:45] <DJAnonimo> ok. i dont know. I will try
19[00:07:38] <DJAnonimo> vim (source: vim): Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor. In component main, is optional. Version 2:7.4.1689-3ubuntu1.5 (xenial), package size 1011 kB, installed size 2404 kB
20[00:07:43] <jhutchins> Yes, I don't know of any Distros that actually offer true vi. vim-minimal is pretty close, and most install at least that.
21[00:07:45] <DJAnonimo> this says ubuntu boot
22[00:08:51] <genevino> jhutchins: most of the BSDs still ship the old one as "vi", i believe for compatibility reasons, but on the other hand most people i know use something like "alias vi=vim" in their shell startup files.
23[00:09:00] <jmcnaught> vim-tiny, vim, vim-nox are all the same version of vim compiled with different options. There are other vis too like nvi and neovim.
25[00:09:25] <tomreyn> DJAnonimo: on a side note: make sure you install a non-entirely-broken text editor on windows (such as "notepad++") before you ever edit debian or any linux or unix-like systesm' configuration files there again.
42[00:17:23] <DJAnonimo> rc.local do not exist, is it ok to create a file and chmod +x ?
43[00:18:04] <jmcnaught> !rc.local
44[00:18:04] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
45[00:18:33] <tomreyn> jhutchins: that's certainly a feature!
46[00:19:29] <cws> DJAnonimo: Write a systemd unit. It's simple.
57[00:25:14] <jhutchins> tomreyn: The longer I follow Red Hat, the more I believe that they think Linux is just a utility to be used by Windows. I'm not sure they believe that anybody actually runs it as their only OS.
58[00:25:43] <jmcnaught> DJAnonimo: install the alsa-utils package
59[00:25:53] <tomreyn> jhutchins: of course not, you'd want a proper linux as well.
60[00:26:37] <tomreyn> "satellite" is really a misnomer, though, the more correct depiction would be replaced-url
61[00:26:37] <DJAnonimo> anyone knows why when I disconnect wifi i get a lag.... 64 bytes from iskonweb-l.iskon.hr (213.191.133.163): icmp_seq=67 ttl=56 time=1030 ms
62[00:26:56] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Oh, yeah, no Microsoft products in house here, and when I get job offers that include IIS or Windows administration I patiently explain that my windows knowledge is ca 2001.
64[00:28:26] <jhutchins> Heh. No, I actually got pretty good with it, and if you gotta run RedHat it's definitely worth having. (Not considering cost/benefit)
65[00:28:27] <tomreyn> jhutchins: and they respond with "ah, as long as you can do AD that's ok" ;-)
76[00:30:52] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at replaced-url
77[00:31:03] <jhutchins> Sorry. drifting pretty far OT.
131[01:27:54] <Budd> I'm experimenting with systemd-networkd, which seems to work well for my purposes. It's recommended to rename /etc/network/interfaces to disable the other system - but what is the other system (what package)?
148[01:35:26] <Budd> A long time ago, I abused rc.local to do manual setup with one hand while fighting off the helpful system services with the other :(
203[02:00:10] <horribleprogram> ill check out Veracrypt if it works for Deb
204[02:00:12] <yanmaani> cws: Sure, but on Linux you have better developed options
205[02:00:20] <alex11> afaik though you can't just encrypt a drive once you've already installed it, you have to select it in the installer first; you can't just encrypt a computer that's already been in use
206[02:00:22] <yanmaani> both vera and luks are gonna be fine tho
207[02:00:33] <cws> Sure, but while that may be true, saying that vera is Windows only is incorrect.
208[02:00:37] <yanmaani> alex11: I know TC on windows could encrypt while the system was running
209[02:00:42] <alex11> i worded that badly but i hope it's understood what i meant
210[02:00:50] <yanmaani> cws: No, in practice, veracrypt is windows-only, nobody uses it on linux
211[02:00:55] <cws> "nobody"
212[02:01:02] <yanmaani> there might be a linux port, though
213[02:01:02] <cws> yanmaani: Speaking in absolutes is a bad plan. Don't.
214[02:01:15] <cws> yanmaani: They provide a .deb right alongside every other download.
226[02:03:49] <DJAnonimo> I've installed pulseaudio on ubuntu minimal... when i try to run it it says server-lookup.c: Unable to contact D-Bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
227[02:03:55] <horribleprogram> ty
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229[02:04:06] <sney> DJAnonimo: wrong window, you want #ubuntu
230[02:04:13] <DJAnonimo> lol
231[02:04:13] <DJAnonimo> sorry
232[02:04:16] <DJAnonimo> debian minimal
233[02:04:17] <somiaj> DJAnonimo: "ubuntu minimial?" -- please stick to asking only about debian here
234[02:04:18] <DJAnonimo> not ubuntu :D
235[02:04:56] <DJAnonimo> also it do not list the inputs...
236[02:05:05] <DJAnonimo> lsusb shows USB soundcard
237[02:05:17] <DJAnonimo> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0d8c:0043 C-Media Electronics, Inc. USB Advanced Audio Device
238[02:05:44] <somiaj> DJAnonimo: the error seems to suggest you are trying to run this without running xorg?
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240[02:07:03] <DJAnonimo> I dont need UI
241[02:07:13] <DJAnonimo> pulseaudio is only for UI?
248[02:09:43] <somiaj> I'm not finding any clear suggestions in google, but by default dbus-daemon won't autoluanch unless you are in xorg. You might be able to just manually run dbus first. Though I am unsure on the exact details
269[02:19:45] <somiaj> well it appears that you are going to have to do some research to bet dbus and pulse running without xorg. I also saw a situation of running a framebuffer xorg. replaced-url
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271[02:20:04] <somiaj> but seems debian has it setup that by default dbus will only launch inside of xorg.
274[02:20:43] <qrpnxz> i got dbus on wayland. dunno where you got that from
275[02:20:49] <qrpnxz> don't see any reason that should be the case
276[02:21:19] <somiaj> qrpnxz: yea, should have said xorg/wayland, but in this case wasn't important since it is a headless server.
277[02:22:04] <qrpnxz> systemd uses dbus for a lot, so i reckon it runs whether you are graphical or not
278[02:22:43] <somiaj> qrpnxz: "Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11" -- I haven't looked into it, but that error seems to suggest it is needed for some things
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280[02:23:49] <qrpnxz> only thing called x11 running on my sys is /usr/libexec/ibus-x11 idk
281[02:24:19] <qrpnxz> which reminds me, it's annoying that dbus-broker depends on dbus
282[02:24:25] <somiaj> I could be not correctly identifying what is wrong, but there are other posts on google about issues with pulse and dbus on a headless machine.
283[02:24:45] <somiaj> maybe only some features of dbus are avilable without xorg/waylend by default.
284[02:25:17] <sney> maybe gdm3 or $display-manager handles starting dbus in non-X environments
288[02:29:30] <somiaj> "This is not considered to be a bug. Auto-launching D-Bus sessions when not under X11 would result in one new D-Bus session per application that tried to use it, unable to communicate with other user-facing applications that do not share that session;"
289[02:30:03] <somiaj> So that is what is happeneing, it appears one can manually run dbus-daemon for just pulse, but could take some work.
290[02:31:11] <jmcnaught> Would "systemctl --user start dbus" work? There is a user service unit at /lib/systemd/user/dbus.service
291[02:31:45] <jmcnaught> DJAnonimo: is dbus even installed?
292[02:33:37] <DJAnonimo> dbus-daemon
293[02:33:40] <DJAnonimo> I see it
294[02:33:55] <DJAnonimo> D-Bus Message Bus Daemon 1.12.20
295[02:34:41] <somiaj> anyways, that bug report has a solution
296[02:35:49] <somiaj> though that bug report also states that pulseaudio treats that as a warning and not an error and just disable's dbus functionality, so maybe this is just a non issue for DJAnonimo, and just a wanring
297[02:36:15] <somiaj> though it is also an older bug, 2012, maybe pulseaudio has changed and no longer runs without dbus
311[02:42:26] <jmcnaught> DJAnonimo: you probably want alsa-utils instead of alsa-tools. If you read the description of alsa-tools it says it is for specific hardware.
342[03:24:02] <somiaj> Now if you are mixing repos, this is another issue altogether. Though note you might want to disable the proposed-updates repo and just wait until they make it to the point relase
349[03:30:43] <ASDX> somiaj: for my reference, are the configured updates purely confirmed by checking /etc/apt/sources.list? does the proposed-updates repo contain "proposed" in its name?
356[03:31:52] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
357[03:31:52] <somiaj> note buster-updates and buster/updates are two drastically different repos
358[03:32:35] <somiaj> If you only want to wait for point releases to get non-security updates, just have the main repo debian, and the security repo debian/updates and update the full system
359[03:32:45] <ASDX> thanks, glad to have the distinction explained
368[03:44:37] <somiaj> buster/updates is the secuirty repo at security.debian.org
369[03:45:25] <somiaj> buster-updates provides a method to get certain point release fixes to users faster, though is only used in rare cirucumstances
370[03:45:53] <somiaj> so having buster-updates in your sources.list won't bring in stuff, ocassionally you'll get updates before the point release.
371[03:46:32] <somiaj> though you should upgrade at the point release for all the fixes that are sever enough that debian is actually updating the package. In general debian only upgrades packages in the most sever situations (security and some rc-bugs)
381[03:55:43] <ASDX> why is buster-updates only used in rare circumstances? looks like it's enabled by default when comparing a few installs, so you're saying the repo rarely gets updates?
383[03:57:14] <somiaj> In general debian provides non-security updates at point releases, that is only used in cases they think it would be useful to get the fix to users eariler than a point release
384[03:57:52] <somiaj> which in my experience isn't that often, the reason it is enabled by default is because that ensure that if they put something there in the case they need to get a fix out before a point-release, it will be avaible to most people
399[04:14:29] <ASDX> so with the out-of-the-box sources.lst, " apt update && apt upgrade" would update to a point release along with any urgent security fixes that may or not may have not been released since the latest point release?
409[04:25:20] <ASDX> it's a bit confusing with buster/updates pointing to a repo containing "security" to look at that and think of as providing the point release only (can't seem to find an equivalent to replaced-url
410[04:25:52] <cws> ASDX: It doesn't provide point releases only. Just *update your system*.
411[04:25:59] <cws> You are MASSIVELY overthinking this.
412[04:29:01] <somiaj> ASDX: point realse don't come from debian/updates, only seuciryt fixes come from there. At point releases all security fixes get coppied over to the main repo. Point release also contain other non-security fixes.
420[04:32:09] <ryouma> ASDX: if somiaj says something and i say somehting, listen to somiaj. but i was referring to, if you get the notice about point releases on a mailing list.
422[04:32:59] <somiaj> I could have just missunderstood you. But yes in debian just update regurally, you will get both security fixes and at point release additional bug fixes.
425[04:35:54] <somiaj> ASDX: what is your end goal? Just realize a debian stable release is a mostly frozen release that only gets security fixes and grave bug fixes, which come from two different sources, security fixes come as soon as they are ready via buster/updates and non-security fixes come about every 3 months via point releases.
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427[04:36:29] <somiaj> But as a user, just update regulrally and often and you'll get them all. Don't try to pick and choose upgrades.
448[04:55:52] <sney> I have APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; and APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "1"; set (via a file in apt.conf.d) on my remote machines, and nagios informs me if they have updates pending. so I can run the upgrade itself manually and make sure there isn't anything that needs my attention.
449[04:56:41] <sney> similar options can be used to automate the whole process; see the comments in /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily
455[05:01:29] <sney> probably not, but if you're worried you can skim the announcements for those point releases to see if there are any notes that affect your system(s)
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489[06:02:09] <ryouma> idk where there are instructions, but htere are various thing syou need to watch for
490[06:02:14] <nkuttler> alex11: the new disk will be in the same computer?
491[06:03:03] <nkuttler> tbh, i'd always reinstall. in my experience it's just faster hand hassle-free
492[06:03:32] <ryouma> zeroing mtab is recommended sometimes. and you hafe to do trickiness to persuiade upgrades not to screw up grub. and you need tricikiness to install grub int he first place.
494[06:04:05] <ryouma> i have accessibility issues with installation so i created a shell script basically to do everything needed to transfer the installation
495[06:04:21] <ryouma> so all i do is run it and then i am done
501[06:04:51] <nkuttler> or install from an existing os?
502[06:05:23] <ryouma> i don't know much about things like debootstrap. in principle such thing smight be possible in some cases.
503[06:05:37] <ryouma> however, installations require fixing lots of things and making decisions
504[06:06:20] <ryouma> for example, you have to make accounts, and set up crontabs, and all sorts of little gotchas there. i suppose that could be a script. but i prefer to iknow that what i am doing is exactly what i am doing.
505[06:07:24] <ryouma> you have to answer all sorts of questions you have not answered since the last time you installed for example. and at least with regular installation you can't really use your computer normally.
507[06:08:14] <ryouma> all your accessibility settings, your emacs config, your whatever, are not reallyavailable to you, and you have sucky console (idk about gui install)
508[06:08:51] <jmcnaught> alex11: are you using LVM?
509[06:09:18] <alex11> no
510[06:10:54] <nkuttler> ryouma: fwiw, you might want to look into config management tools instead of writing shell scripts
511[06:11:28] <ryouma> yeah it's an alternative to try to automate installation. i am not confident of that, because it would be a lot of effort for me and idk what the gotchas are.
512[06:11:35] <alex11> 'fresh install' and then restoring /home and /etc is probably indeed the simplestr
515[06:12:18] <alex11> it's just that people make it sound so simple - transferring installs - and i don't feel like it is
516[06:12:27] <alex11> i have to read up about all that stuff
517[06:13:32] <ryouma> for me it is better to transfer, but those who are really familiar with debootstrap and preconfiguring debconf and using configuration management tools would find it better to install, is my impression
519[06:14:40] <ryouma> rsync and fstab are at the core of it but you also need chroot to install grub and you need to ensure the next version of grub won't go looking for the mbr on a different device. idr the details.
520[06:16:01] <ryouma> if you can install with no real trouble, you will get hw compatibility taken care of by the installer. if you transfer to a new machine, you might need microcode or drivers for x or sound.
521[06:16:03] <alex11> chroot scares me and it shouldn't
545[06:49:29] <alkisg> alex11, "dd /dev/sda /dev/sdb" clones a disk; while with rsync or cp, you'll need to also run `grub-install`. I use it all the time for schools, installing a school server is 2-3 commands and 5 minutes of waiting...
546[06:50:31] <alex11> how much does it clone?
547[06:51:02] <alkisg> Which one, the dd? Unless you specify a count, it clones until the length of sda
548[06:51:47] <alkisg> If sdb is smaller, you can either shrink sda with gparted, or clone disks with gparted itself
549[06:51:57] <alkisg> Right click copy, right click paste...
550[06:52:27] <ryouma> dd will screw up your /dev/disk stuff i think
551[06:52:32] <ryouma> i.e. you get dups
552[06:52:51] <alkisg> dups of what, files? No, dd clones at the block level, it doesn't produce duplicates
556[06:53:44] <ryouma> if you don't mind having same id's you're ok though presumably e.g. if it is a totally different machine
557[06:53:54] <alkisg> If uuids are changed, then /etc/fstab and grub need to be updated; that's why dd is simpler there, because it avoids these; with the restriction that you shouldn't use both the source and target disk at the same computer
558[06:54:26] <alkisg> And of course uuids can be changed with tune2fs
573[07:01:38] <Peppi> I wasn't sure if it meant when people log in
574[07:01:59] <Peppi> alkisg, I'm trying to do this: replaced-url
575[07:01:59] <alkisg> Multiuser runlevel is opposed to "single user login" with "single" in the command line, which can be used for system recovery etc
582[07:03:26] <ryouma> i never quite got why debconf is not in /etc
583[07:04:01] <alkisg> /etc/ is files editable by the administrator, /var is for storage of program state like debconf's internals
584[07:04:21] <ryouma> but it is also something you want even if it can be reproduced with effort
585[07:04:24] <alex11> i'm sure when i do have to do a backup i'll screw everything up and things will explode
586[07:04:34] <alex11> er
587[07:04:36] <alex11> do a restore
588[07:04:40] <alkisg> Peppi: that person there indeed creates a systemd service; although I'd check with `modinfo` if the rpi4 wifi has an option for that, to put it in modprobe options instead of a service
589[07:05:04] <Peppi> it's a rpi3B+ btw
590[07:05:15] <alkisg> I think it's the same wifi chipset
591[07:05:28] <Peppi> alkisg, I was going to ask what does: sudo systemctl --full --force edit wifi_powersave@.service do?
592[07:05:40] <Peppi> and where is it?
593[07:05:58] <alkisg> Peppi: it creates a service fil somewhere under /etc/systemd
594[07:07:18] <alkisg> Peppi: what's the output of this? lsmod | grep ^cfg802
595[07:07:30] <Peppi> alkisg, and sorry for the stupid question but how do I "check with 'modinfo'"?
596[07:07:57] <alkisg> That's what I'm getting to, with the question above ^
609[07:11:47] <alkisg> Use that page you linked, with the service they mention there
610[07:12:03] <Peppi> but I must be missing something then
611[07:12:12] <alkisg> Why?
612[07:12:13] <Peppi> sec
613[07:13:32] <Peppi> I'm trying to find that file I created after: sudo systemctl --full --force edit wifi_powersave@.service you said /etc/systemd yes?
643[07:19:08] <alkisg> Peppi: the first answer in the link you sent, says it's off by default. Can you reboot and check with `iw wlan0 get power_save` ?
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645[07:19:50] <alkisg> Peppi: wait, you can unload and reload the module instead:
646[07:19:57] <Peppi> alkisg, it's not off by default. I already checked
647[07:20:08] <Peppi> like I booted it and it was on
680[07:25:48] <somiaj> I swtiched to mobaxterm from ssh a while ago, mostly becuse of default x11 forwarding
681[07:26:01] <somiaj> I mean putty
682[07:26:22] <Peppi> -- Logs begin at Sun 2021-05-02 23:03:22 MDT. --
683[07:26:30] <Peppi> alkisg, that's all I see
684[07:26:39] * alkisg prefers reverse vnc over ssh for graphics, instead of ssh -X... it allows processes to continue running even if ssh connection is dropped
685[07:27:21] <alkisg> Peppi: how about systemctl status service-name-here
686[07:27:47] <alkisg> Maybe you mistyped something when editing the service file?
711[07:35:34] <alkisg> I think that by default it's off, and you followed that, and you set it to on :D
712[07:36:15] <Peppi> your command asks for authentication FYI
713[07:37:03] <alkisg> The systemctl start/restart commands are supposed to be run as root. Either with su - or sudo -i. Otherwise they ask for authentication, yeah
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718[07:38:25] <alkisg> This is the output of journalctl; what we want is the output of these: sudo systemctl start wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save
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720[07:39:09] <Peppi> FYI I did: systemctl status wifi_powersave@off.service | nc termbin.com 9999
761[07:45:45] <alkisg> And this one shows off? iw wlan0 set power_save on; systemctl restart wifi_powersave@off.service; iw wlan0 get power_save
762[07:46:13] <Peppi> alkisg, correct
763[07:46:16] <alkisg> Peppi: ok then the service is right, it just needed a "restart" instead of a "start" due to the "RemainAfterExit=yes" part of the systemd unit
764[07:46:33] <alkisg> Peppi: and you want it off by default,right?
775[07:48:34] <alkisg> So I think that you caused the power save=on, instead of avoiding it :D
776[07:48:36] <Peppi> think I got it. Ok so going to reboot yes?
777[07:48:38] <alkisg> Yes
778[07:48:42] <somiaj> Miguel2013: doesn't debian live just boot you into a session that is logged in?
779[07:49:17] <Peppi> ok rebooting this will take some time... now I can think
780[07:49:46] <somiaj> Miguel2013: the defualt has changed a bit, looks at one time it was user/live, but unsure if that has changed. My understanding is when you boot up it logs you in automatically, at that point use sudo and set the password
786[07:51:59] <alkisg> Peppi: ok. So, how sure are you, that before you started all that, the default wasn't already off?
787[07:53:05] <Peppi> alkisg, 100% sure... or as close as I can get to that
788[07:53:42] <alkisg> I'll fire up my rpi4 and see, although currently I have raspbian there, and my rockpro64 that has debian testing doesn't have a wlan...
789[07:53:48] <Peppi> my issue was how he wrote the code after: Now enable just what you want on boot up:
790[07:54:17] <Peppi> I think this is on raspbian... I'm using octopi
791[07:54:28] <Peppi> isn't that raspbian or???
792[07:54:31] <alkisg> Ah, this channel is for debian only
793[07:54:37] <Peppi> ohh lol
794[07:54:45] <Peppi> sorry
795[07:54:45] <somiaj> !raspbian
796[07:54:46] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
797[07:55:10] <Peppi> oh sorry about that
798[07:55:29] <alkisg> np; anyway my rpi4+raspbian also shows power save: on, so you're right there
800[07:55:41] <Peppi> lol ok I guess I'll hold off on my other questions lol
801[07:55:44] <alkisg> :)
802[07:57:01] <Peppi> alkisg, oh just one quickone does your pi4 complain in dmsg about: brcmf_c_preinit_dcmds: Firmware: BCM43430/1 wl0: Oct 22 2019 01:59:28 version 7.45.98.94 (r723000 CY) FWID 01-3b33decd
811[07:59:01] <jim> I got a guy running debian buster, he did an upgrade, before the upgrade he had kernel 4.19.0-14-amd64 and after, he got kernel 4.19.0-16-amd64; the issue he reports is that now uname -a and uname -r just says nothing but `x86_64`
819[08:07:46] <somiaj> jim: check the bts for know issues, but uname -a here is "Linux zeno 4.19.0-16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.181-1 (2021-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
828[08:16:50] <jim> that's what I was trying to get him to do, dunno the status as he's currently not responding. I'll get the info to you as soon as I get it
829[08:17:16] <jim> and/or, someone could watch ##linux (but not much action on that issue right now)
849[08:39:23] <jelly> jim, unane -r never said anything about x86_64 in the first place
850[08:40:09] <jelly> also, please avoid proxying someone ELSE's issues from other channels. If they need #debian help point them here and they can ask themselves
868[09:01:01] <jim> jelly, there is a problem with doing so... I have seen and also experienced how #debian treats people, and I'm not going to subject them to that
870[09:02:01] <jim> so please don't ever ask me to do so again
871[09:02:02] <SymbioticFemale> whats the best way to share screen? vnc?
872[09:02:53] <alkisg> SymbioticFemale: I'm using reverse vnc, where the technician port-forwards, while the user can be behind nat and only needs one command. E.g. to test it, run: x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org => screen shared
873[09:03:24] <SymbioticFemale> mmmm that looks nice
876[09:05:28] <jelly> jim, if bed-side manner need fixing that's something to work on, I can agree with that. But please understand I get frustrated with the incomplete, filtered information you pass on
884[09:09:00] <jim> but given you probably can look at one channel at a time, and can't necessarily tell when a debian issue is being discussed, I can understand when you don't (given you're busy, or elsewhere (or both))
900[09:14:09] <jim> there wasn't much more, partly because he didn't respond after that
901[09:15:04] <jim> so, I tried to find out if any other folks had the issue. and, now I'm remembering that he said he's running buster with some backports
902[09:15:08] * alkisg also felt harassed here in the past, and left for a year or so, but decided to come back and just state it if it's ever the case again
918[09:24:55] <somiaj> This channel is usually helpful (though dealing with debian derivatives can often be a sore spot). Though filtering people from here and acting as a middle person on a support issue not only makes support harder, it perpetrates and issue rather than trying to improve the community.
931[09:29:58] <jim> also... the guy stopped responding, I could have asked other questions, and did ask him to boot into the earlier kernel, but alas, he wasn't responding
983[10:27:17] <ratrace> and likely unnecessary. very few are feasible targets for such subversion. if you host cat videos, you're probably not interesting. if you host wikileaks, you probably have people injected into your org who will subvert you from inside. :) it's never black and white.
992[10:44:41] <SymbioticFemale> what would cause a SSH tunnel (debian running SSH server) to hang every time more than a few bytes travel over it?
993[10:45:29] <ratrace> SymbioticFemale: check with tcpdump, if those packets are going over without returning acks
994[10:45:49] <SymbioticFemale> i have one debian box where the terminal hangs any time too many lines of data pass over it, or when an ncurses application is opened in a large (20+ line) terminal
995[10:47:08] <sigint> SymbioticFemale, I bet it's an MTU problem
996[10:47:27] <SymbioticFemale> sigint: i also suspect it is an mtu problem
997[10:48:20] <SymbioticFemale> the connection is over wireguard
1026[11:31:12] <steven> ok, so because this is still an issue I figured Imma ask one more time. Does debian have repository issuses or something? I am running apt update w/ 20kb/s for like months now
1040[11:36:21] <steven> how does debian resolve replaced-url
1041[11:37:11] <ratrace> depends on how it's configured to resolve. by default probably no local recursive caching resolver and whatever's in resolv.conf
1045[11:38:35] <ratrace> an deb.debian.org is the CDN afaik, so you can force a non-CDN mirror. somethign physically closer. if you rent your server, maybe teh DC has a mirror
1046[11:38:39] <ratrace> and*
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1063[12:08:21] <oxek> steven: I have the same issue in docker
1064[12:08:57] <oxek> if you find a way of fixing it, let me know
1065[12:09:22] <ratrace> oxek: regardless of mirrors chosen?
1066[12:09:30] <oxek> regardless of mirror chosen
1067[12:09:50] <ratrace> does docker do any QoS?
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1069[12:10:02] <oxek> it helps if I cancel the apt operation, and try again several times
1070[12:10:07] <oxek> it eventually works at full speed
1071[12:10:14] <oxek> but fails on the next invocation again
1072[12:10:26] <oxek> since it's this random, I did not find a way of debugging it
1073[12:10:34] <oxek> and it happens on two machines
1074[12:11:05] <ratrace> I'd start with tcpdump and see how those packets go ... any resends going on. window sizes....
1075[12:11:07] <oxek> very likely an issue with the docker in buster, will probably go away on its own in bullseye, or if I were to use upstream docker
1077[12:11:53] <ratrace> "docker" aplication does not process network packets, it "just" manages namespaces. if there's a bug there, it's a bug in how namespces are set up and should be fixable in any version
1095[12:21:34] <dpkg> Welcome to #debian, the larger but unofficial support channel for Debian GNU/Linux stable releases. Official channels have moved to OFTC (irc.oftc.net) see replaced-url
1096[12:21:36] <ratrace> hey, herding sheep in New Zealand was MY idea! get off my pasture!
1120[12:46:17] <SymbioticFemale> usng x11vnc, i can connect, and the screen resolution is right, but its just black and then after some seconds I get "connection reset by peer"
1121[12:46:37] <SymbioticFemale> what am i doing wrong
1122[12:47:20] <SymbioticFemale> the server is running xfce and the user is logged in.
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1159[13:14:57] <ratrace> retired. tried suicide, failed. ended up in arkham for a few years, was later released and is now living at the foss retirement home, Neverglades.
1207[14:02:01] <TheBigK> thats actually kinda sad, that openjdk-8-jdk does not exist in debian buster or bullseye... i hate that i have to have an external mirror just for that
1211[14:03:00] <jelly> adoptjdk is probably a good source
1212[14:03:56] <TheBigK> jelly: yes it is... right now we actually use the oldstable ... but im going to change that when we upgrade to bullseye
1213[14:04:03] <jelly> I;m honestly not sure why AdoptJDK exists, and then several member have THEIR OWN builds: Amazon, IBM/RHEL, Microsoft all have their own builds and packages for jdk8
1223[14:07:54] <TheBigK> thats the update which is shown to me when i would install patches.. which we will do when we do the dist-upgrade.. unless some serious issues come up...
1236[14:13:43] <jelly> now I wonder whether to fix make-jpkg script to accept OpenJDK8U-jdk_x64_linux_hotspot_8u292b10.tar.gz or just not bother with .deb packaging
1328[15:19:38] <cws> Iutech: Not overly familiar with the BIOS/UEFI options for that system. Is there anything interfering with how disks are presented to the system, like some software raid or non-AHCI thing?
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1368[16:15:52] <vincent-> Hello. I need some help with "debmirror". I was expecting this tool to work out of the box, but I'm having some issues. I spawn a new Debian 10 container with podman, I run "apt update" and "apt upgrade". After that I install debmirror. Finally, I run this command: debmirror --arch=amd64,armhf --dist=buster --di-arch=amd64 --di-dist=buster --nosource --postcleanup --progress --host=ftp.uk.debian.org wop/
1369[16:16:16] <vincent-> It fails with errors like this one: [GNUPG:] NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC
1388[16:27:43] <themill> vincent-: you need to tell debmirror what keys to trust. The man page has the relevant example for when you're mirroring Debian
1453[16:56:46] <DJAnonimo> ----> However, even though you do not have anything connected to the HDMI port it will still output and power the port, ready for when do connect a monitor-
1454[16:56:55] <petn-randall> DJAnonimo: Is your device a RPi?
1455[16:57:03] <DJAnonimo> RPi 4
1456[16:57:25] <greycat> previously they called it a "pc" so this is all new info
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1500[17:20:49] <DJAnonimo> there is located in... deb replaced-url
1501[17:21:18] <greycat> You will note that this is NOT debian.
1502[17:21:48] <DJAnonimo> thats what guys answered someone on forum
1503[17:21:53] <DJAnonimo> that is it in this repo
1504[17:21:58] <greycat> You may or may not need to change the "jessie" component in that line. You will definitely need to read the third party repo's instructions.
1505[17:22:18] <lunar> hello, quick question. Recently installed Ubuntu and I have a secondary ssd in my laptop. The drive seems to only be readable. Previously was a windows disk but I've formatted it and set up a new partition table. Still can't install anything to it. Any thoughts?
1506[17:22:31] <lunar> The few forum posts I found haven't seem to address the issue.
1507[17:22:31] <DJAnonimo> maybe jessie to bullseye
1508[17:22:37] <greycat> !ubuntu
1509[17:22:38] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1519[17:28:18] <greycat> DJAnonimo: uh... you mean on this third party repo. (After I waste a bunch of time trying to find that in Debian.) Does this third party repo not have INSTRUCTIONS? Is that why you're just probing it randomly?
1554[17:54:42] <ZoeurK> hi, do you know where I can offers a small programme...If you don't know this is the package and source from github:replaced-url
1555[17:54:45] <corank> Hey folks! I have a question. Around this time when testing has been frozen, is it possible to migrate from sid to testing (and then to the coming stable Bullseye) relatively safely?
1559[17:55:21] <jelly> corank, yes but keyword being "relatively"
1560[17:55:56] <jhutchins> corank: Backups.
1561[17:55:57] <corank> Ah haha right
1562[17:56:14] <corank> Jhu
1563[17:56:16] <jelly> sometimes there's stuff in sid that never ends up in testing, you'd have to check for packages that don't exist in versions you got already installed
1564[17:56:25] <RadoS> I wanted to try "unattened updates", but when selecting witht he installer, no updates are processed after several days & reboots. Is there more to setup to make it work just the selecting it in the installer?
1565[17:56:25] <jelly> !not available
1566[17:56:26] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
1567[17:56:44] <jelly> corank, ^ after switching repos to bullseye
1583[17:59:47] <jhutchins> RadoS: Update updates the catalog, upgrade does the actrual install.
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1586[18:00:37] <RadoS> That's the question, should it all be setup to work "out of the box", or do I have to touch something manually before it can even work?
1604[18:14:16] <jhutchins> RadoS: Release upgrades require manually changing the sources.list - unless you did something silly like using "stable" instead of "buster".
1605[18:14:47] <jhutchins> Frankly I prefer the idea of knowing and acknowledging what is being upgraded.
1627[18:46:16] <RadoS> greycat, thanks. Does this mean only with GNOME it is enabled to work out-of-the-box, while everything else requires extra config effort per conf files for apt & cron?
1655[19:09:33] <Gerowen> Random question about backing up off-site with duplicity to a b2 bucket. Since I have about 13 TB worth of data; my initial backup is going to take a very long time, and running it on the drives live isn't really a great idea since the data will be changing in the middle of the backup. I have an external drive that I've been using as "off-site" storage and my question is this. If I do the first backup from that external drive, and then switch it so
1656[19:09:34] <Gerowen> that future backups come from the actual live drives in the system, will duplicity still just scan for differences between the source and destination, or since the source changes, will it do a totally new backup from the beginning?
1670[19:22:52] <somiaj> looks like it just uses rsync, which by default uses both file size and last modfied time to determine if a new copy needs to be made or not.
1671[19:23:04] <sigint> Gerowen, I know it's super anoying when one asks a question about X and gets recommneded Y... but have you checked restic or borg?
1672[19:23:10] <Gerowen> somiaj: I'll have to double check, but at first glance all it says is that "only parts of files that have changed" would be backed up, which is what I suspected; I just know that this backup process would probably take a LONG time because even just checking the contents means it would have to decrypt and read the contents of the archives to compare against the source.
1675[19:23:45] <sigint> I switched to restic to backup my NAS and it handles well the scenario you described
1676[19:24:09] <sigint> as it doesn't care about file paths for deduplication
1677[19:24:13] <somiaj> Gerowen: yea, there are various ways that rsync can handel this in determine if a file is changed or not, using diffs vs whole file. I don't use duplicity, but basically provided the filesize/last modified time (or more complicated md5sums) are the same it won't copy the file over again.
1678[19:24:42] <somiaj> Gerowen: I just don't know what duplicity uses to determine if a file is different by default.
1718[19:45:22] <rockworld> hi there is a way of redirecting a directory into apache website without using proxy method? because I have icecast page running on port 8000 and centovacast running on port 2133 so I would like to forward these to page to a html page of my website, im using apache2, im out of idea and not sure about the proxy method
1720[19:45:36] <shtrb> If nvidia-detect return "Your card is supported by all driver versions." does it mean I can install libnvidia-tesla-460 packages too ?
1721[19:46:35] <somiaj> rockworld: I don't think setting up a directory location will work in that case, and what you describe sounds like what a proxy is for.
1722[19:47:22] <shtrb> rockworld, proxying would be the way to do , but if these ports EVERYTHING accessible you could do a page that give you a redirect too (bad idea but would work)
1723[19:47:26] <somiaj> rockworld: i.e. I don't thinke icecast and centovacast are static files in a directory you can just share, you'll want to setup a proxy.
1724[19:47:51] <rockworld> as I know a proxy can be used to hide people ip
1725[19:47:57] <rockworld> so Im worried about security
1726[19:48:18] <greycat> that's a different kind of proxy
1727[19:48:24] <rockworld> ah right
1728[19:48:32] <shtrb> rockworld, you should be having proxy on your side not on the other side
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1741[19:51:52] <shtrb> rockworld, take a look at ProxyPass but before hand secure your server ! make sure you have blocked everything all the time and only allow a specific set of users (even auth by cert )
1742[19:52:27] <rockworld> yes thats why I need that I need to setup a ssl certificate on that
1811[20:16:56] <somiaj> You might have to look up if there are another other Proxy options you need to enable for icecast. I know that when setting up my few proxies, apache took a lot more work than nginx due to all of its configuration options.
1812[20:17:00] <rockworld> I can share the 443 virtualhost conf
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1855[20:36:23] <deadrom> just installing 10.8 on an x64, went for a .nl mirror (that's near my location and the dutchies have fast lines) still progress says for an xfce install and nothing else "1h 10min"
1856[20:36:31] <deadrom> can I break at this point to try another mirror
1908[21:03:51] <sney> jason1234: there is a 3.16 kernel in wheezy-backports from the same archive mirror, that might support your hardware a little better
1927[21:22:21] <coc0nut> is it possible to run a browser as a server? like znc-bouncer in example. so you like log in to the browser remotely from another place? :P might be giving away genious ideas here :p had a few ideas today hehe
1928[21:22:42] <sigdk> Hi. After installing debian/grub, I can't boot from windows 10. Any idea how to fix the my bootloader to have the option for dual-boot?
1929[21:23:59] <HannaM> coc0nut: what for? remove page-rendering and then deliver it to your local machine?
1930[21:24:14] <HannaM> -remove +remote
1931[21:24:23] <HannaM> (*sigh* my keyboard is failing..)
1953[21:37:21] <coc0nut> "mighty" looks cool sney! i was thinking something similar just running it as a service or something. without loosing functionality... third party clouds isnt much of privacy :/
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2120[22:06:31] <jerome> hey there. I am trying to get btrfs raid1 working over an encrypted lvm setup. As of now, btrfs-progs seems broken (#982990) with such as setup. Has anyone built something similar (raid1, crypt and btrfs)?
2181[22:53:16] <unixbsd> oh, i will manage alone... it might be possible
2182[22:53:40] <unixbsd> apt-get live stuffs... and then I debootstrap, and I add syslinux or grub2. wont be hard
2183[22:55:46] <jhutchins> !live
2184[22:55:46] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
2185[22:56:28] <unixbsd> I prefer to have my own lives, that rocks better. I add all necessary, like a C compiler at least.
2205[23:03:04] <jhutchins> pcercuei: Only you can tell us if a specific kernel works with your hardware. Boot back to 4.19 to be sure it's not something else messing up.
2206[23:03:38] <pcercuei> no, it's reproductible
2207[23:03:55] <jhutchins> pcercuei: There should be some discussion of the specific problems wiht 5.10 in the mailing lists..
2208[23:04:04] <pcercuei> booting back to 4.9 restores the normal behaviour
2209[23:04:27] <jhutchins> 4.9 is not a current kernel.
2210[23:04:39] <unixbsd> Do you want my config for that one ?? that would compile easily. initrd.img-5.8.0-25-generic
2225[23:09:05] <pcercuei> Usually when things like that appear I can bisect the issue, but 4.19 -> 5.10 is a HUGE step
2226[23:10:28] <unixbsd> you need modules
2227[23:10:59] <pcercuei> of course
2228[23:11:04] <jelly> pcercuei, which debian release?
2229[23:11:18] <tomreyn> pcercuei: the log you posted shows problems with an optical disk (might just be scratched?), nouveau (i'm not surprised when it fails), gnome-calendar. did i miss anything?
2230[23:11:38] <pcercuei> jelly: latest testing, with the stable kernel
2233[23:13:08] <pcercuei> tomreyn: there's no CD/DVD in the drive. I also had the CPU/GPU fan running at full speed, and in an earlier attempt, ext4 filesystem corruption warnings
2234[23:13:16] <jelly> gnome-calendar is a segfault, possibly from graphic drive midbehaving
2237[23:14:08] <pcercuei> tomreyn: I could boot to the desktop (maybe with llvmpipe - didn't think to check) but it took a good minute to appear after logging on
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2239[23:14:38] <jelly> pcercuei, see if you can find an older 5.8 or 5.9 from debian ^
2240[23:14:50] <pcercuei> jelly: nice, thanks!
2241[23:15:04] <tomreyn> pcercuei: hmm, ok, so it's less likley to be randomly induced, i agree.
2242[23:15:20] <jelly> you can boot the buster kernel in the meantime to make things stable
2243[23:15:55] <pcercuei> jelly: yes, that's what I'm doing, but I see Debian 11 coming, and I don't want to be stuck in the past :)
2244[23:16:02] <unixbsd> is there still a backport or something? if still existing, that might help you
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2324[23:54:37] <DJAnonimo> jelly: youre right. good idea
2325[23:54:38] <greycat> jelly: he's convinced (because he saw it on the web) that if he runs some magic command to disable the HDMI port it will reduce power consumption even though he's not doing X11 and I have no idea whether he's doing audio or not.
2326[23:54:59] <greycat> So he has this magic command from a third-party repository, and now he's BACK asking MORE questions about it...
2328[23:56:04] <unixbsd> well you can use debootstrap and run debian, clean debian. you just need to have clean /boot config to see the msdos2 ie. ext4.
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2330[23:56:25] <jelly> DJAnonimo, actually powering off hdmi out would probably either be done with a custom device tree, or indeed a platform-specific tool
2331[23:56:31] <jelly> !debian-arm
2332[23:56:40] <unixbsd> i already ran ubuntu and devuan for testing by using debootstrap. it is smaller. it works also.
2333[23:56:52] <jelly> DJAnonimo, ask in #debian-arm over on OFTC
2334[23:57:20] <pcercuei> disabling HDMI should be as easy as plugging off the cable
2335[23:57:20] <DJAnonimo> jelly: I powered off HDMI, just it do not turned off hdmi audio
2336[23:57:20] <pcercuei> If the driver isn't stupid it'll put the hardware in low-power state