74[00:40:12] <redbeard72> yeah in Thunar by double clicking on it
75[00:40:41] <somiaj> I would first start with thunar, does it provide you the ability to set which program is ran (right click, check its options)?
76[00:42:39] <somiaj> google seems to suggest you can do this by loking under file -> properties -> open with
77[00:43:34] <somiaj> redbeard72: are you running xfce?
78[00:45:14] <redbeard72> yes xfce
79[00:45:49] <redbeard72> I installed gedit later on. And when I do under file -> properties -> open with, it doesn't list gedit as an option, even though it's installed.
80[00:46:15] <redbeard72> I'm able to launch in using the terminal: gedit <file_name>
84[00:50:36] <jhutchins> redbeard72: In either case, it will remember and associate this mime type with this program.
85[00:50:59] <somiaj> redbeard72: it appears that a better method is to go into xfce settings -> mime type editor, and set text/plain to be what you want.
86[00:51:24] <somiaj> this way any text/plain file should get opened as you prefer, and this will probably work in other apps besides thunar
87[00:56:08] <mentor> redbeard72: Maybe the mime handler desktop information thingy needs to ge trerun?
89[00:59:44] <jhutchins> I don't know why that would be "better". What works works, and if it's part of a process you're already in, so much the better.
137[01:56:20] <alexrelis[m]> Funny story: I once had a heated conversation with a "security expert" online who kept insisting that Windows was wayyyyy more secure than GNU/Linux, while I was saying that it depended on how each OS was configured. It got to the point where it wasn't worth arguing and I just said, "If GNU/Linux is so insecure, then hack my computer." He got livid and said some nasty things to me that I will not mention here.
161[02:33:08] <oxek> alexrelis[m]: taking a typical user into account, windows 10 is much more secure than a random language-specific distro that has last been updated 2+ years ago that they'd find on google
162[02:33:52] <oxek> when people decide to install a linux distro for themselves, as opposed to when an "expert" does it for them or walks them through it, then the results are horrible
163[02:34:52] <alexrelis[m]> oxek: That's why I said that it depended on how the OS is configured. If you're using Linux kernel 2.6 and your password is passw0rd, then it will be light years less secure than Windows 10 with a strong password.
164[02:35:47] <oxek> win10's forced automatic updates help, just as forced updates of browsers on windows
167[02:40:07] <alexrelis[m]> That said, I'd say that a default install of a mainstream distro (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL) is slightly more secure than Windows 10 because of things like centralized package management as a primary means of installing software. The Microsoft Store kind of mitigates this, but most people still download .exe and .msi files straight from the internet.
168[02:41:24] <alexrelis[m]> Also, you are expected by default to enter your password after every administrative action on mainstream distros. On Windows you can just press "Yes" and users are less mindful about admin privileges as a result.
191[03:08:16] <oxek> e.g. people are still successfully managing to install mandriva linux in france
192[03:08:19] <alexrelis[m]> As far as I know, Ubuntu is still the most installed distro.
193[03:08:22] <oxek> despite it being 6 years out of date
194[03:08:24] <alexrelis[m]> Lol
195[03:10:34] <b0n3h346> Does anyone know if there exists, somewhere on the web, dvd isos for old releases of debain? Specifically the ones that you originally could only download with jigdo. I already have the one you can get from the archive.
208[03:14:33] <leonardus> does the full amd64 iso contain more wifi drivers than the netinst?
209[03:14:41] <leonardus> i'm trying to get wifi working on the installation
210[03:14:59] <sney> leonardus: what you need is non-free firmware, there are special images for it
211[03:15:01] <sney> !firmware image
212[03:15:01] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
213[03:15:15] <leonardus> thank you
214[03:15:45] <themill> b0n3h346: most of those images were *never* distributed by Debian.
215[03:16:48] <b0n3h346> Right. So as far as you are aware, I either need to get jigdo working on the archive repo, or just download the whole repo; for the arch I want.
216[03:17:34] <b0n3h346> Except for ver 6 and earlier
225[03:19:26] <sney> for a more amateur approach, maybe look into the history of the madwifi project
226[03:20:19] <sney> leonardus: if you are struggling with a specific wifi device, what is it? people in this channel can probably help you with an easier solution than writing a new driver from scratch.
228[03:20:31] <leonardus> I'm not, was just curious
229[03:20:57] <leonardus> cause if it didn't take that much work I wouldn't mind learning and writing a free version for a wifi device that only had nonfree firmware
230[03:21:27] <sney> you definitely should read about madwifi then, and the drivers that succeeded it
231[03:21:39] <leonardus> thanks, I will
232[03:21:40] <themill> kernel module and firmware are two different things. Lots of hardware is just a bag of expensive sand until the firmware is loaded
233[03:21:52] <leonardus> themill: what is the difference?
234[03:22:19] <themill> the firmware runs on the hardware itself and without, the hardware often can't do anything at all
250[03:32:57] <leonardus> Nevermind tethering from my phone worked.
251[03:34:29] <sney> google tells me your wifi dongle is a realtek, and maybe only supported by a github driver that still hasn't been merged to mainline.
252[03:34:57] <sney> but realtek's model numbers are wildly inconsistent so you should also try a newer kernel than buster, in case they rolled support into a different driver.
268[03:52:50] <leonardus> This is my partition layout but when I press continue it's complaining that I don't have a /boot partition, isn't that what EFI System Partition is for? replaced-url
281[04:02:37] <leonardus> yeah that's what I ended up doing
282[04:02:38] <tomreyn> another option would be to place it within the crypto container, but you'd need an lvm layer then, and i'm not sure the installer support this setup.
283[04:03:55] <cybercrypto> leonardus: try also this part, it is quite clarifying I think. replaced-url
291[04:15:18] <leonardus> Does anyone know what wifi driver I'll need for this onboard wifi, also? lspci says "Intel Corporation Device 2723" but installing firmware-iwlwifi still didn't seem to get it to work:
317[04:39:30] <somiaj> leonardus: apt uses other means to insure package integurity, so there was historically never a big push to use https for that.
318[04:42:32] <somiaj> My undersatnding is the biggest draw back is someone can see which packages you are installing, but due to secure apt, replaced-url
321[04:44:42] <somiaj> hmm, seems the domain that use to have a blog post on this subject has been repuroposed. (also a lot of these decisions were made before https certs became far more common and easy to obtain)
322[04:44:45] <oxek> historically non-https apt repos helped exploit bugs in apt that would have been prevented had https been used
330[04:54:33] <somiaj> hmm, according to this forum I found, I was incorrect above, someone could figure out what package/version was being installed using filesize instead of name if using https.
371[05:45:12] <ryouma> i found that apt-transport-https does not work in practice. the onion one works, but requires http. but idk if failover works as one would want it to. i have forgotten the details. i wanted a kind of, use this, but if having issues, use that.
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373[05:45:49] <ryouma> (in jessie or stretch at least)
374[05:46:17] <somiaj> lembron: I hear the biggest issues are now in the installer, and possibly June, maybe sooner.
382[05:48:16] <somiaj> the standard argument I kept seeing was that https won't add any meaninfully security that apt doesn't already have without a major overhaul on hundereds of mirrors
383[05:48:20] <lembron> that aint sounding bad... guess ill leave that stretch box i found running for a little and jump to bulls directly =) - thx somiaj
384[05:48:29] <somiaj> lembron: never do that
385[05:48:40] <somiaj> lembron: you always have to upgrade one version at a time, so you would have to upgrade though buster.
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395[05:58:32] <somiaj> ryouma: since you mentioned jessie/stretch, https was added in apt 1.5, which needs buster or newer, so yea those older versions needed apt-transport-https.
397[06:02:29] <ryouma> all of this is automatic now? so you don't have to take a chance on whether your servers will support it?
398[06:02:57] <ryouma> i think there was a paper on a vuln in the packages file or so, which is improved by https
399[06:04:11] <somiaj> I'm just pointing out you dn't need an additoinal package to add https support, I still don't think it is being used by default.
473[08:52:09] <alkisg> Hi, in upstream replaced-url
474[08:52:10] <alkisg> When I git clone and I run `dpkg-source -b .`, it says: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ...
475[08:52:10] <alkisg> Is there a way to use dpkg-source while inside the git tree, without manually creating an upstream.tar.gz?
476[08:52:36] <somiaj> alkisg: don't build a source package, and only build a binary package
477[08:53:00] <somiaj> alkisg: note, are you also the debian matainer for this package (or is there a debian matainer)?
478[08:53:23] <alkisg> somiaj: I want to build a .tar.gz and a .dsc to upload them to opensuse build service for some non-debian distributions like ubuntu/raspbian
479[08:53:27] <alkisg> Yes, I'm DM for that package
480[08:54:55] <somiaj> You do need to have the .tar.gz avilable to build the source package. I think there is a way to build the .tar.gz as part of the build, but I don't know them off the top of my head.
481[08:56:06] <alkisg> Opensource build service expects a .tar.gz, which I can easily generate, and a .dsc... I'm having a trouble generated that one. If I switch the format to native, then dpkg-source doesn't complain, but it's not really a debian native package...
485[09:00:21] <somiaj> I also notice there is a 3.0 (git) format, though I don't know what would be best. If someone who actually knows this better than I do doens't speak up here, you could try #packaging on irc.oftc.net
487[09:01:07] <alkisg> Thank you very much, googling for 3.0 (git), it does sound more suitable than native/quilt
488[09:03:24] <somiaj> alkisg: and the only reason I asked if you were the DM for the package, is sometimes upstream debian/ can conflict with what is needed for debian and can complicate things. But since you are the matainer will make things easier.
490[09:04:23] <alkisg> Right, that's what I was thinking when I decided to include debian/ upstream, but sometimes (like now) it goes against the "separate debian packaging" usual workflow...
491[09:05:04] <alkisg> `dpkg-source -b .` with "3.0 (git)" created a .dsc and a .git bundle, nice, looking for how to use git bundles...
492[09:05:51] <somiaj> almost wonder if putting debian/ in a seperate branch could help out, though as the matainer it might not be worth the hassel.
494[09:08:02] <alkisg> Ideally I would like to have all packaging folders (for all distributions) in the same upstream tree for my packages, it would make life easier. E.g. "update for newer library 3.x" might be a single commit that affects both src/ and debian/ or spec/ folders...
495[09:08:46] <alkisg> Of course it's more common that "package maintainers != upstream", but it would be nice to also support "package maintainers == upstream"...
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501[09:13:55] <somiaj> Either way, I think you can get it to work out. My experience is very limited, but I had one package I had to remove an old/oudated debian/ dir first, before adding one to make a package that meets debian policy, and since debian requires exact copy of upstream source, then adding debian/ and patches on top of it, just can make that work flow a bit more complicated if you need to make changes to meet
572[11:00:31] <holycow> does anyone know how to intercept and remap button #10 and #11 on a joystick to something else ... at the driver level before anything caninterpret it?
573[11:01:08] <holycow> jstest-gtk can only move the order of buttons around. and i don't know if it even works the right way, i read that evdev is the new way that everything accesses joysticks these days
574[11:01:46] <holycow> button 10 and 11 sit right under the analog controllers and i hit them all the time
583[11:16:28] <ratrace> holycow: don't these things ultimately _all_ go through xorg/libinput and can be remapped there?
584[11:20:19] <holycow> that is a good point actually, never looked into that. thanks, googling.
585[11:21:08] <ratrace> holycow: use "xev" to see what signals the joystick buttons produce, if any. if there's a scancode or xorg designation, it should be remappable
630[11:45:03] <rk4> Bushcat: would suggest whatever security objective you hope to achieve will be severely compromised by not having even rudimentary knowledge of your OS :(
631[11:45:21] <Bushcat> holycow, this is the full operation so far I have done with no success replaced-url
645[11:53:13] <Bushcat> holycow, no idea why it is not working, here is the pastebin of that Tor Browser Setup file '/home/bushcat/Downloads/tor-browser_en-US' replaced-url
646[11:53:46] <holycow> there is nothing wrong with tor or the config
647[11:53:55] <holycow> the problem is with your host / filesystem
648[11:54:35] <holycow> if you donwloaded it, extracted as per your pastebin and you got that error message, something is weirdly wrong with your system
649[11:54:38] <holycow> you hosed something
650[11:55:06] <holycow> given where you are in terms of your skill level, it is far easier to start with a fresh install and start again then try to unfurl whatever is causing that ... although it may end up being simple
651[11:55:25] <holycow> are you running linux in a vm? or you have it installed as the root os on your hardware?
652[11:57:08] <Bushcat> holycow, no VM
653[11:57:16] <Bushcat> holycow, I am in Debian 9
654[11:57:22] <Bushcat> so how I go about uninstalling this
655[11:57:36] <holycow> just create a new debian vm and start over
656[11:57:45] <holycow> its only a few minutes
657[11:57:46] <Bushcat> no idea how to create VM
658[11:58:18] <holycow> oh sorry, what does "no vm" mean.
659[11:58:24] <holycow> no as in, no, i am using a vm
660[11:58:29] <holycow> or no i am using a vm
661[11:59:38] <qrpnxz> really?
662[11:59:55] <Bushcat> no idea
663[12:00:01] <Bushcat> I just use Debian 9 OS
664[12:00:09] <Bushcat> no idea what is vm
665[12:00:22] <holycow> once again
666[12:00:25] <holycow> how do you have it installed
667[12:00:31] <holycow> did you install it directly on your computer?
743[12:21:39] <holycow> it takes time. there is a lot to learn. people think windows or mac is easy. this isn't true, they forget they have like 25+ years of muscle memory behind their experience
744[12:22:22] <holycow> my favourite are photoshop users complaining about gimp. they also forget photoshop took them 10+ years to master and forget how hard it was to learn the first 50% of photoshop when they started.
745[12:25:28] <Bushcat> understandable
746[12:25:54] <Bushcat> thanks anyhow for all the help though
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826[14:25:14] <rokra> hello, I m searhing to resolve an issue on a debian temaplate terraform deployment I did, but my network interface took 2 IPs, one manually set in the terraform deplyment and on other one by DHCP, how can I disable this dhcp one ?
847[14:44:43] <rokra> petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static IP
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850[14:46:39] <rokra> petn-randall: looks like I foudn the both entries : one is in the /etc/network/interfaces in dhcp and the other is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init with the static IP : networking.serviceJob for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code
855[14:48:53] <Ooze> Good morning. What's the correct way to enter this command in a systemd service? This doesn't seem to be working out: replaced-url
921[16:09:15] <ratrace> leonardus: easiest is to set net.ifnames=0 to kernel command line via grub (/etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX)
922[16:10:03] <ratrace> leonardus: but that only disables udev's renaming from kernel generic names ethX. You can regardless of this, always rename an interface using intrefaces(5) config option, or systemd-networkd using a .link unit
968[17:16:26] <subcool> i literally just found them on google.
969[17:16:30] <subcool> thank you
970[17:16:45] <LtL> !source
971[17:16:46] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
972[17:17:12] <subcool> OMG!!!!
973[17:17:14] <subcool> THANK YOU
974[17:17:34] <LtL> subcool: welcome
975[17:24:05] <subcool> ok, small victory. i need files that arent an option
996[17:49:38] <subcool> Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'coreutils_8.30-3.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
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1030[18:05:34] <Numero-6> Hi all ! How can i see the log just before the previous boot, begging by the last ? If my pc shutdown, when i restart i want see why
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1032[18:06:03] <Numero-6> i have try to find with journalctl
1033[18:06:28] <another|> `journalctl --since today` might help
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1132[20:08:54] <Arrowmaster> so I know you can append + or - ot package names for apt-get install and apt-get remove to force an install or removing when using the opposite command. is there a way to do a purge instead of a remove with that method?
1134[20:10:28] <slowly_stuck> my buster system is a xen host, and I haven't manually specified a kernel. It seems to have linux-image-4.19.0-8, -9, -14 and -16 installed, but is booting -8. Is this correct behavior, or should it be moving to newer kernels?
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1157[20:33:17] <sney> slowly_stuck: it should boot the newer kernels and the package scripts are supposed to add them to the top of the grub menu. if your bootloader is customized in any way, that might prevent this from working properly.
1159[20:36:14] <slowly_stuck> sney: thanks! I just checked my grub.cfg, looks like it should be booting a new kernel and it's just been too long since I last rebooted. Any reason the old packages are sticking around? apt-cache rdepends just shows linux-image-amd64
1160[20:37:02] <sney> if you're using the apt-get, apt-cache etc tools then nothing will be autoremoved unless you specify it
1161[20:37:34] <sney> if you do an 'apt autoremove' now it'll probably clean up a few of those kernels
1162[20:37:34] <slowly_stuck> yep, but they don't seem eligible for autoremove either
1163[20:37:56] <slowly_stuck> autoremove finds nothing to remove. maybe I need to reboot into new kernel first?
1164[20:38:09] <sney> yeah, that may change it
1165[20:38:24] <sney> it will keep 2 of them installed at all times by default, odd that it wouldn't autoremove -9 at least
1197[20:49:13] <sney> upcoming releases are not in the database yet
1198[20:49:13] <somiaj> DJAnonimo: /msg judd i network-manager ....
1199[20:49:21] <DJAnonimo> its integrated in raspbian
1200[20:49:40] <DJAnonimo> latest raspbian is debian 10
1201[20:49:42] <sney> so that output is from buster, the current debian stable. (judd sometimes guesses or gives you the wrong output, so make sure to actually look at the reply)
1202[20:50:16] <somiaj> if you want versions, look at ,v from judd, the bot also won't give you info froma release that doesn't actually exist yet
1203[20:50:18] <sney> work has not even started on bookworm. currently, nobody knows what version it will have of anything
1255[21:34:04] <leonardus> Network tethering via USB from my phone was working last night but now it's not, I try `ping 1.1` and I get "connect: Network is unreachable"
1263[21:35:35] <ratrace> so you don't know what program was used on the debian sidE?
1264[21:35:44] <leonardus> no, I don't
1265[21:35:51] <ratrace> gnome?
1266[21:35:59] <leonardus> I think it might have something to do with me adding backports, contrib, and non-free to my apt soruces.list since that's the only thing I changed
1267[21:36:03] <leonardus> ratrace: I don't have a gui installed
1268[21:36:40] <leonardus> I also updated the kernel and installed updated firmware-linux packages, but it still doesn't work when I boot into the old kernel
1269[21:37:04] <ratrace> how do you set up your network then? NetworkManager?
1270[21:37:22] <leonardus> I didn't, all I had to do was plug in my phone and I had a working internet connection
1271[21:37:54] <ratrace> I am not aware what program would do that without a full blown DE with NM and similar "consumer oriented" processes
1272[21:38:02] <sney> unplug the usb, restart your phone, enable tethering again, and try it again
1273[21:38:15] <ratrace> iirc that requires pppoe setup which ain't default
1274[21:38:26] <ratrace> and now I'm curious to know which program did the automagic
1276[21:39:18] <sney> I think it's the phone doing the heavy lifting, address assignment etc and the usb just appears as an interface already set up. I haven't tried it though.
1279[21:40:24] <leonardus> sney: Still nothing. It's appearing in the devices list in `ip link` but that's it
1280[21:40:34] <ratrace> sney: but the routing wouldn't work wihtout something like NM, networkd or interfaces(5) seeing the USB NIC and setting itself up
1281[21:40:44] <ratrace> I wonder if you even had network running at all
1282[21:41:02] <leonardus> ratrace: I definitely had a working connection, I installed and updated packages
1283[21:41:12] <leonardus> and my computer isn't wired with ethernet
1284[21:41:20] <ratrace> leonardus: can you pastebin the output of dmesg that appears _after_ you plug in the USB thingy and/or enable tethering?
1285[21:41:44] <ratrace> better yet, start `journalctl -f` and do the tethering dance, and pastebin the output you got, please
1286[21:41:45] <DJAnonimo> I installed debian 11 on raspberry PI. is it on network? ssh is enabled? I put the key where the FAQ says
1287[21:41:46] <leonardus> I cannot but I can take a photo of it and upload it
1288[21:41:56] <ratrace> leonardus: okay
1289[21:42:01] <ratrace> imgur is fine
1290[21:42:02] <sney> ratrace: I agree with you that it doesn't seem to make sense, but I have also seen a lot of people use it with 0 extra setup. in the installer, too.
1291[21:42:16] * sney should probably try it to see how it works
1293[21:42:32] <tomreyn> no, pppoe isn't used then tethering through android.
1294[21:42:35] <ratrace> sney: sure, with gnome and other bloatwares with over nine thousand "configuration" processes that wait for various events, from color correction, through input, networking, stuff...
1297[21:43:13] <sney> ratrace: last I checked, gnome is not running in the installer. or on systems that need firmware before they can have video, or wifi.
1298[21:44:00] <ratrace> ahhh rndis_host, that's it
1299[21:44:18] <tomreyn> leonardus: broken usb wire or overloaded usb (universal serial *bus*)
1300[21:44:25] <ratrace> leonardus: can you screenshot the output of `ip a` ?
1340[21:54:12] <tomreyn> DJAnonimo: i see. i've never done this, may be misinterpreting what i'm reading. maybe copy your sysconf.txt to a pastebin (replacing the root password by "PASSWORD", in case you set one)
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1349[22:01:37] <tomreyn> leonardus: "May 02 15:54:28 city17 iwd[642]: The following options are missing in the kernel:"
1350[22:01:54] <leonardus> yeah, do I have to build my own kernel or something?
1351[22:01:55] <sney> leonardus: the kernel options it's complaining about seem to be available as modules, try e.g. 'modprobe crypto_user' etc and try to start the service again
1352[22:02:21] <sney> you can look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/crypto for the module names
1353[22:03:10] <tomreyn> legacy crypto ftw!
1354[22:04:40] <leonardus> sney: tried modprobe with cryptd, crypto_engine, crypto_simd, and crypto_user, still nothing
1355[22:05:11] *** Quits: Grldfrdom (uid391113@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1356[22:05:53] <sney> "still nothing" as in the service closes with the same error? please be specific for those of us who can't see your screen. :)
1357[22:06:03] <leonardus> yeah, same error, sorry
1358[22:06:12] <leonardus> lists the same options missing
1359[22:06:27] <leonardus> also tried modprobe ecb
1360[22:07:49] <alexrelis[m]> Do you guys think that smartly configured workspaces eliminates the need for a multi-monitor setup?
1363[22:08:43] <sney> leonardus: does iwd have its own log with more information than the journalctl output? if the kernel modules are loaded and it's still complaining about "missing" then it's likely something else is wrong.
1401[22:19:02] <leonardus> tomreyn: because my wifi driver isnt available in the older one
1402[22:19:03] *** Quits: Jerrynicki (~niklas@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1403[22:19:05] <jordan_> I'd like to install debian 10 on a 2013 macbook air. I need to install the wl driver to make wifi work but it's not included in the installation image and I can't use a wired connection since it doesnt have a port for it. Can someone by chance share a binary so I can use a usb-stick or has anyone a better idea how to get it?
1404[22:19:19] <sney> no, it's not in buster-backports, that reply from judd is about whether the backport can be *built*
1405[22:19:33] <tomreyn> "looks backportable" != "it has been backported"
1406[22:19:54] <leonardus> oh
1407[22:20:13] <coc0nut> running a headless debian on imac 2012 is my sollution :P
1410[22:21:23] <sney> jordan_: broadcom is a huge pain, sorry. you might have an easier time if you install from a CD1 or DVD1 iso rather than the netinstall, so you aren't stuck with a super minimal OS to work with. then you will have a toolchain for broadcom-sta-dkms etc
1411[22:21:38] *** Quits: catman370 (~catman@replaced-ip) (Quit: See you later..)
1415[22:23:58] <tomreyn> leonardus: i guess you could either request the iwd backport (for a potential medium-term solution) or try to see whether you can get your wireless device (which?) working on the default kernel, or upgrade to testing, or keep using a different wireless device/chipset or ethernet connection.
1454[22:52:19] <DJAnonimo> I did not created it. I modified with notepad
1455[22:52:25] <DJAnonimo> like all other distros
1456[22:52:57] <tomreyn> all other distros? what do you mean?
1457[22:54:00] <DJAnonimo> i mean I already tried raspbian, ubuntu, lubuntu etc
1458[22:54:15] <DJAnonimo> only now have problems with debian
1459[22:54:51] <DJAnonimo> other images looking for ssh.txt file for enable ssh, and on first login it ask for new password
1460[22:55:07] <tomreyn> i haven't looked at the script which interprets the sysconf.txt file, yet, so i'm not sure whether the key did not get installed properly due to the DOS line endings you put on the file when saving it with notepad. it *could* be.
1461[22:55:10] <DJAnonimo> on raspberian root user is "pi" on ubuntu is "ubuntu"
1462[22:55:28] <tomreyn> more likely, though, you just didn't login correctly
1463[22:55:47] <tomreyn> you need to specify the secret key fiel you created when logging in, did oyu do so?
1464[22:56:56] <tomreyn> let me rephrase this: when logging in to the raspi as user root, you need to specify (to the ssh client, putty, i think you said) the secret key file you created earlier. did you do so?
1465[22:57:34] <DJAnonimo> no. im trying with the root password that is in the .txt
1466[22:57:36] *** Quits: wrksx (~wrksx@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1481[23:00:15] <DJAnonimo> FAQ is really bad documented.
1482[23:00:37] <tomreyn> the "ssh-rsa ..." stuff you put into sysconfig.txt is the public part of this ssh key pair. you probably created this with puttygen? a file named ".ssh/id_rsa.pub" would also be a public key. the correspoinding private key would normally be stored in ".ssh/id_rsa" then.
1483[23:01:01] <tomreyn> the user really lacks understanding of ssh public/private key authentication
1493[23:02:34] <DJAnonimo> yes. on raspberry PI ubuntu 20
1494[23:02:47] <DJAnonimo> -f ?
1495[23:03:01] <DJAnonimo> I did like this: replaced-url
1496[23:03:10] <tomreyn> -f let's you decide where to write the key to
1497[23:03:11] <DJAnonimo> so "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
1498[23:03:46] <tomreyn> if you don't specify -f, the key is written to the defualt location, which is ~/.ssh/id_rsa in this case
1499[23:04:06] <Peppi> does anyone know I remember seeing an interesting "command" where you can directly send output to a no paste service. Like I can do a dmesg and pipe it to a website or something and it returns the link. Does anyone know what service does this?
1500[23:04:07] <tomreyn> so this is where the private key was written, the one you'd now need to authenticate
1501[23:04:29] <DJAnonimo> ok. is more clear now. lets try
1539[23:28:11] <DJAnonimo> Unable to use key file "C:\Users\djano\Desktop\privatekey.ppk" (OpenSSH SSH-2 private key (new format))
1540[23:28:14] <DJAnonimo> grrr
1541[23:28:30] <tomreyn> you can convert it using puttygen
1542[23:28:38] <jhutchins> Did I mention documentation?
1543[23:28:43] <DJAnonimo> :D
1544[23:28:47] <tomreyn> whats that?
1545[23:29:01] <DJAnonimo> ok. this thing is getting increadible
1546[23:29:44] <phogg> a .ppk file must be in the putty key format. Putty ships with a key generator (which should also be able to convert)
1547[23:30:04] <tomreyn> and that generator is called puttygen
1548[23:30:09] <ratrace> ditch Crapdows, install Linux proper, use ssh-keygen. :)
1549[23:30:22] <jhutchins> I used putty for a long time, but my last job I just installed VirtualBox (on the company official Win10), and I ran a Debian VM for ssh (and other stuff).
1551[23:30:28] <phogg> putty is also available on Linux. Some people seem to like it, strange though that sounds
1552[23:30:36] <ratrace> eww.
1553[23:30:39] <jhutchins> GUI
1554[23:30:40] <tomreyn> you could even install proper openssh on windows
1555[23:30:57] <ratrace> but... Crapdows....
1556[23:31:01] <tomreyn> but it "lacks" a GUI
1557[23:31:05] <DJAnonimo> I've imported it
1558[23:31:05] <jhutchins> Kids these days! Anything not GUI is no good (and probably dangerous).
1559[23:31:52] <DJAnonimo> wow. Im in
1560[23:31:53] <DJAnonimo> hahaha
1561[23:31:56] <DJAnonimo> incredible
1562[23:32:06] <DJAnonimo> thank you tomreyn
1563[23:32:17] <ratrace> GUI is very muchneeded. It's literally impossible to use openss-cli! `ssh-keygen -t ed25519` is very hard to type.
1564[23:32:53] <another|> ratrace: i bet you copy-pasted that one
1565[23:33:00] <another|> since you couldn't type it
1566[23:33:39] <phogg> putty is one of the few terminal emulators which is fully configurable from the GUI. Not using X resources feels weird to me, but I suppose some find the alternative appealing.
1567[23:33:48] <ratrace> another|: I copied it from a youtube vid!
1568[23:34:15] <another|> i knew it!
1569[23:34:36] <tomreyn> youtube is outdated, you should use instagram videos only!
1610[23:53:27] <tomreyn> DJAnonimo: note the "Failed tests" for the Debian "testing" (bullseye, version 11) image you chose to download (20210408_raspi_4_bullseye.img.xz) at replaced-url