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• 10[00:11:06] <oxek> H-var: are you on debian stable (buster)?
• 11[00:13:18] <H-var> oxek: No
• 12[00:13:29] <oxek> then you're in the wrong channel
• 13[00:13:33] <oxek> !debian-next
• 14[00:13:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 16[00:16:52] <monkwitdafunk> !dpkg live
• 17[00:16:53] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 21[00:20:29] <H-var> thank you, axek
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• 70[01:51:53] <warsoul> is wifi working on bullseye?
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• 72[01:55:22] <abrotman> yes?
• 73[01:55:25] <oxek> warsoul: should be.
• 74[01:55:44] <warsoul> if i upgrade from buster to bullseye should keep working normally?
• 75[01:56:23] <oxek> warsoul: you'll read about any important changes in the release notes once bullseye is released as stable
• 76[01:56:43] <warsoul> nop
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• 93[02:18:41] <sn00p> hello, i'm trying to burn a bunch of mp4 files to a blank dvd, i've tried with k3b and xfburn and every time I press burn it says I dont have enough space on the dvd, it is blank never been used any idea on what would be wrong?
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• 95[02:20:09] <mutante> sn00p: well, did you check the total size of the mp4 files?
• 96[02:20:15] <sn00p> 9 gig
• 97[02:20:57] <mutante> that would only work if it's double-layer
• 98[02:21:07] <mutante> there are 4.7 GB on a regular DVD
• 99[02:21:13] <sn00p> yea
• 100[02:21:23] <sn00p> I cant burn them?
• 101[02:21:42] <mutante> what does it say on the packaging of the blank DVD?
• 102[02:21:48] <sn00p> 4.7gig
• 103[02:21:54] <sn00p> DVD-R
• 104[02:22:09] <mutante> well, yea, you can't burn it
• 105[02:22:17] <sn00p> why not
• 106[02:22:21] <mutante> unless you split it into 2 DVDs
• 107[02:22:23] <sn00p> its just dat
• 108[02:22:25] <mutante> because 9 is larger than 4.7
• 109[02:22:26] <sn00p> data
• 110[02:22:34] <sn00p> oh
• 111[02:22:35] <sn00p> hahaha
• 112[02:22:44] <sn00p> i'm stupid
• 113[02:22:45] <sn00p> lol
• 114[02:22:47] <sn00p> never mind
• 115[02:22:50] <mutante> np :)
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• 117[02:23:15] <phogg> even a DL DVD won't store 9G, it tops out at 8.something as I recall
• 118[02:23:33] <oxek> "9 is larger than 4.7"
• 119[02:23:46] <oxek> why do we live in a world where we have to say that
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• 121[02:24:05] <phogg> oxek: because we live in the best possible timeline. The entertainment is free.
• 122[02:24:32] <oxek> yeah I guess
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• 155[02:50:30] <warsoul> bullseye upgrade worked perfect :)
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• 161[02:56:15] <ryouma> version 4.13 is larger than version 4.9. i freely admit to having been confused by that.
• 162[02:57:44] <monkwitdafunk> hello. i am reading the debian reference manual
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• 166[02:58:42] <monkwitdafunk> what is the purpose of blacklisting a module so the udev system does not invoke auto-loading a module?
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• 169[02:59:57] <monkwitdafunk> reduce functionality of hardware correct?
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• 172[03:01:31] <ectospasm> if you don't want to use the hardware for that driver anymore.
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• 174[03:02:24] <ectospasm> I have an old 802.11n PCIe card in my router, and somehow it still got an IP address. I ended up blacklisting the kernel module so that would go away since I no longer use it.
• 175[03:03:01] <ectospasm> I couldn't find its IP address anywhere in the configuration, but still it got one on a subnet I don't use anymore.
• 176[03:04:28] <phogg> monkwitdafunk: sometimes a module can think it should handle a piece of hardware when it in fact should not, and a module that will load later should (if it gets the chance).
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• 178[03:05:34] <phogg> The classic example is having both nouveau and nvidia modules installed. To be sure you get the one you want to load you can blacklist the one you don't.
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• 181[03:07:19] <monkwitdafunk> very nice. thank you. one time i asked for somebody to do a hacking demonstration and they told me i shouldve blacklisted a module
• 182[03:08:22] <monkwitdafunk> does anyone use any other command line shell rather than bash?... like zsh?
• 183[03:10:24] <oxek> ryouma: why?
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• 185[03:11:15] <ryouma> wasn't used to the idea that the decimal point was not a decimal point
• 186[03:11:48] <oxek> ryouma: bear with me, what's the word in english for '9'?
• 187[03:12:05] <oxek> and what's the word in english for '13'?
• 188[03:12:17] <oxek> and which one of those words indicates a higher number?
• 189[03:12:35] <ryouma> you are trying to teach me version numbering?
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• 191[03:13:01] <oxek> maybe, I don't even know what I'm doing anymore, weird day
• 192[03:13:01] <ryouma> "having been" is not present tense
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• 194[03:13:19] <oxek> someone asked earlier whether 9 is larger than 4.7
• 195[03:13:28] <monkwitdafunk> okay. forget about choosing which linux shell
• 196[03:13:50] <oxek> monkwitdafunk: I use bash for scripts, and zsh for interactive use
• 197[03:13:52] <ryouma> you can choose later
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• 199[03:14:31] <monkwitdafunk> okay. ill be back after i read some more. i would like to find something about wayland and xorg
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• 201[03:18:24] <monkwitdafunk> i have to confess that there is so much to learn using "the universal operating system" due to the high quality documentation. thank you and i wish i can have oppertunity to reunite with my old hardware with 3 years dust
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• 229[04:11:19] <lenswipe> Hey folks
• 230[04:11:29] <lenswipe> currently trying to cross-compile for ARMv7 on a debian box.
• 231[04:11:59] <lenswipe> Specifically, I'm compiling ffmpeg.
• 232[04:12:05] <lenswipe> It just bombed out with "/usr/lib/gcc-cross/arm-linux-gnueabihf/8/../../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/bin/ld: cannot find -lndi"
• 233[04:12:23] <lenswipe> My instinct is that this error means that the linker can't find the library "ndi". Is that correct?
• 234[04:12:26] <dvs> ,v libndi-dev
• 235[04:12:27] <judd> No package named 'libndi-dev' was found in amd64.
• 236[04:12:41] <lenswipe> dvs, ?
• 237[04:13:08] <lenswipe> it's a closed-source library, it's not going to be in the repos
• 238[04:13:37] <lenswipe> i have a copy of it from newtek's website
• 239[04:15:04] <dvs> They're still around?
• 240[04:16:12] <lenswipe> newtek? Sure, why wouldn't they be
• 241[04:17:19] <dvs> They're almost 40 years old! Good for them.
• 242[04:19:52] <lenswipe> heh.
• 243[04:20:00] <lenswipe> well in the meantime, im trying to compile ffmpeg with NDI support
• 244[04:20:35] <lenswipe> and the compilation is failing because (I think) the linker can't find libndi (that's my guess based on that error
• 245[04:20:54] <lenswipe> my question is...since I have a copy of the entire SDK for ARM - is there a way to pass that to make?
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• 283[05:26:16] <blackop> hi
• 284[05:26:30] <blackop> i was using speedtest-cli v2.0.2 but it is giving error
• 285[05:26:37] <blackop> seems there is updated version 2.1.3
• 286[05:26:42] <blackop> but distro doesnt have it
• 287[05:26:54] <blackop> so do you know how to update?
• 288[05:27:27] <lenswipe> sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade -y
• 289[05:27:49] <monkwitdafunk> lenswipe, this is in the debian reference?
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• 291[05:28:52] <blackop> i mean will there be updated version of speedtest-cli package?
• 292[05:29:08] <blackop> replaced-url
• 293[05:29:30] <Unit193> blackop: FWIW, 2.0.2-1+deb10u2 is in stable-new.
• 294[05:29:55] <blackop> Unit193: my version shows 2.0.2
• 295[05:30:08] <blackop> so i installed 2.1.3 with pip install command
• 296[05:30:13] <Unit193> Most likely 2.0.2-1+deb10u1?
• 297[05:30:17] <blackop> replaced-url
• 298[05:30:35] <blackop> Unit193: i dont know but when i checked speedtest --v it just showed 2.02
• 299[05:30:40] <blackop> not 2.0.2-1
• 300[05:30:57] <blackop> how can i get it ?
• 301[05:31:15] <monkwitdafunk> you authenticate your trust
• 302[05:31:25] <monkwitdafunk> am i right Unit193 and lenswipe ?
• 303[05:31:48] <lenswipe> monkwitdafunk, ...what?
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• 305[05:33:27] <monkwitdafunk> i was assuming it may be possible for repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list that should not be there as in my case when i wanted to volunteerfor h-node
• 306[05:34:27] <monkwitdafunk> sorry. it is getting late for me
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• 309[05:35:52] <monkwitdafunk> blackop, are you willing to compile from source? there was once i time i needed iperf 3
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• 322[06:08:04] <somiaj> ,v speedtest-cli
• 323[06:08:05] <judd> Package: speedtest-cli on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.1-1; stretch: 1.0.0-1; buster: 2.0.2-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 2.1.3-2; sid: 2.1.3-2
• 324[06:08:22] <somiaj> ,check-backport speedtest-cli
• 325[06:08:23] <judd> Backporting package speedtest-cli in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 327[06:08:46] <somiaj> blackop: outside of needing debhelper from backports, looks like you might be able to backport speedtest-cli from bullseye.
• 328[06:08:57] <somiaj> !ssb
• 329[06:08:58] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 343[06:34:49] <monkwitdafunk> somiaj, if i were to just use the cdrom: debian archive repository, do i need backports?
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• 346[06:37:48] <sney> monkwitdafunk: you will need debhelper from backports, and its dependencies. otherwise you should be able to get the rest from your buster isos
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• 2146[07:49:36] <gmcastil> i'm rolling with the Debian 10.9 live installer on an older Dell laptop -  after the bootloader, it tries to fire up Gnome, and then fails with a message saying the system cant recover - how can i get a more complete log of what actually happened during boot?
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• 2148[07:52:48] <alkisg> gmcastil: ctrl+alt+f2 to get a shell, then dmesg and journalctl -f?
• 2149[07:53:04] <alkisg> Maybe also try adding nomodeset in the kernel parameters...
• 2150[07:54:03] <gmcastil> wouldnt let me get to a shell - just a log out button and then a blank screen with a cursor in the upper left that isnt flashing
• 2151[07:54:21] <alkisg> ctrl+alt+f2 switches to another vt; that didn't work either?
• 2152[07:54:32] <gmcastil> nope
• 2153[07:54:42] <gmcastil> main menu doesnt seem to let me edit kernel arameters for live
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• 2155[07:54:54] <alkisg> Then it's probably completely hanged, it wouldn't answer to pings or remote connections either...
• 2156[07:55:01] <alkisg> That's still the live cd, not the installed system, right?
• 2157[07:55:05] <gmcastil> right
• 2158[07:55:13] <alkisg> Try adding nomodeset to the kernel params
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• 2160[07:56:06] <gmcastil> dont have any options to edit kernel parameters
• 2161[07:57:12] <alkisg> Press <tab> in the menu
• 2162[07:57:24] <alkisg> It should show a line at the bottom with kernel parametesr
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• 2164[07:57:38] <alkisg> Replace "splash quiet" there with "nomodeset"
• 2165[07:57:58] <gmcastil> ah, <tab>
• 2166[07:58:02] <gmcastil> kept trying 'e'
• 2167[07:58:10] <alkisg> e is for grub, tab for syslinux-based CDs
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• 2170[08:02:57] <gmcastil> ah, well that seems to have fixed it
• 2171[08:03:19] <alkisg> Maybe proceed with the installation that way then, and you'll resolve the graphics glitches later on in the installed system...
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• 2173[08:03:40] <gmcastil> yeah, i'm reading a stack overflow question about this modeunset parameter
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• 2175[08:04:31] <gmcastil> so, according to this, video card clocking and configuration are done by the kernel now instead of by the X11 server itself?
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• 2177[08:04:53] <alkisg> Right
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• 2184[08:21:03] <CryptoSiD> Hi, is it fine to ask stuff about debian testing?
• 2185[08:21:18] <CryptoSiD> and/or bullseye
• 2186[08:21:28] <Unit193> This channel is for Debian stable, testing is in #debian-next on OFTC.
• 2187[08:21:30] <Unit193> !oftc
• 2188[08:21:30] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 2190[08:21:40] <Unit193> !debian-next
• 2191[08:21:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 2192[08:27:20] <themill> bullseye should be fine here at this stage, however.
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• 2196[08:29:03] <rockworld> does anyone can tell me how to know what is the permission number when doing ls -la I can see -rw-r--r-- on a file
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• 2198[08:29:53] <rockworld> is it a 640, 700, 755, 751, 777, etc?
• 2199[08:30:19] <themill> if you use "stat filename" it will show you both
• 2200[08:30:44] <rockworld> ok thank you
• 2201[08:30:50] <themill> chmod(1) has a paragraph on how to do the calculation yourself
• 2202[08:30:57] <themill> !man 1 chmod
• 2203[08:30:57] <dpkg> man 1 chmod is probably at replaced-url
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• 2205[08:31:34] <rockworld> thats good to know I was alway wondering how to understand that
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• 2209[08:37:15] <selfkinetic> hello, I'm trying to fix a  "apt-issue with the debian repo" - for docker.  I'm receiving this error posted in a gist I created. ---> replaced-url
• 2210[08:37:25] <cef> I have a TV screen (on another PC) that is connected to the DisplayPort (via a DP to HDMI cable). The TV does 4k @ 30 Hz, but I want to always force it to use 1920x1080, particularly if the screen goes away and comes back (switching inputs on the screen or with the TV off, is when it sometimes defaults back to 4K - but not always!). I have it doing 1920x1080 on the login screen no issue, just in the desktop. Using Xfce if that helps.
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• 2212[08:40:32] <themill> selfkinetic: the three normal problems are (a) date/time is wildly wrong (b) guest has run out of disk space (c) docker host has run out of disk space (particularly with the mac docker-in-vm thing)
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• 2214[08:41:42] <selfkinetic> @themill I did see that dialog come up after a build.  What do I do to fix it?  I'm a boot at this, sorry.
• 2215[08:42:52] <themill> a dialogue box about a disk space problem?
• 2216[08:43:24] <selfkinetic> in the command line
• 2217[08:43:57] <selfkinetic> it was before the event that I posted in the gist I created
• 2218[08:44:46] <selfkinetic> although I have plenty of disk space (physically) so that doesn't make sense to me
• 2219[08:45:05] <themill> what OS is the docker host running?
• 2220[08:46:24] <selfkinetic> Client: OS/Arch: darwin/amd64
• 2221[08:46:36] <selfkinetic> Server: OS/Arch: linux/amd64
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• 2223[08:48:18] <themill> I know nothing about docker or macs... but I recall reading something about purging stale images to solve this problem
• 2224[08:48:48] <selfkinetic> This is an observation from tabakhase in the docker channel: a) looked good from your build-log containign timestamps - b/c depends on "how you run docker"
• 2225[08:48:48] <selfkinetic> [12:45:18 AM] <tabakhase> disk full is a not a bad idea tho... seen that bite people before indeed
• 2226[08:50:00] <themill> "prune" rather than "purge" might be the correct keyword
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• 2235[09:00:00] <selfkinetic> @themill pruning worked Thank You!
• 2236[09:00:11] <themill> excellent!
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• 2248[09:10:00] <cef> Q: Is the only way to force a specific default "Preferred Mode" to still create a monitor file for X11? Not even sure if this default Deb 10 install I did is using X or wayland.
• 2249[09:13:58] <alkisg> cef, can you pastebin the output of `xrandr` ?
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• 2252[09:20:46] <cef> alkisg: it's not the machine I am on.. I'll see what I can do.
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• 2256[09:22:16] <cef> basically though it shows the + next to the 4k res, and * next to 1920x1080. It seems very sad that xranr can't change that preferred mode setting (least, that is what seems to be the case from what I looked at)
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• 2259[09:22:51] <alkisg> if xrandr says XWAYLAND, it's wayland, otherwise it's xorg
• 2260[09:23:19] <alkisg> Xorg supports /etc/X11/xorg.conf, wayland doesn't; both support video= kernel cmdline settings; and gnome supports saving the user resolution, not sure about the system one
• 2261[09:23:23] <cef> ok.. xorg then
• 2262[09:23:54] <alkisg> To tell you the video= setting, the output of xrandr would help. At least the desired mode and the output name
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• 2264[09:24:52] <cef> just pushed it to a file.. grabbing a usb key to copy it off the machine
• 2265[09:25:18] <alkisg> xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999 => would give a URL, if it's connected to the net
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• 2267[09:26:38] <cef> I'll remember that for next time. ;)
• 2268[09:27:38] <cef> replaced-url
• 2269[09:28:12] <alkisg> + is the default, * is the current. Which one you want as the default?
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• 2271[09:28:17] <alkisg> The 1920 one?
• 2272[09:28:20] <cef> 1920x1080 is the mode I want by default for Preferred. I'm not too fussed if the console is 4k
• 2273[09:28:39] <cef> but that would be easier on the eyes if I need the comsole
• 2274[09:29:02] <cef> s/comsole/console - damn fingers
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• 2276[09:29:23] <alkisg> OK try this in the kernel cmdline: video=HDMI-1:1920x1080@60
• 2277[09:29:29] <alkisg> Do you know how to put that in grub?
• 2278[09:29:43] <cef> Yup. Cool.. Will give it a shot.
• 2279[09:29:48] <alkisg> OK
• 2280[09:29:50] <cef> thank you.
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• 2301[10:12:50] <cef> alkisg: well, neither video=HDMI-1:1920x1080@60 or using drm.edid_firmware=HDMI-1:edid/1920x1080.bin seem to force the default res to 1920x1080 after boot.
• 2302[10:14:02] <cef> in the meantime, I have 'xrandr -s 1920x1080' in lightdm's config, and I've added a default launcher that calls 'xrandr -s 1920x1080' so at least it's easy to get back to a reasonable res.
• 2303[10:16:15] <alkisg> cef: which graphics driver is that, e.g. intel, nvidia?
• 2304[10:16:33] <cef> intel. it's also old (ie: i915).
• 2305[10:16:53] <alkisg> You may create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf with a PreferredMode entry, see e.g. replaced-url
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• 2307[10:17:16] <cef> this will do in the meantime till I go down the xorg.conf route
• 2308[10:17:21] <alkisg> Although intel did respect the video= setting all the times I tried it; is it there in cat /proc/cmdline ?
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• 2310[10:18:17] <cef> Yeah and mentioned in /var/log/messages as well.
• 2311[10:19:36] <alkisg> Strange then. Anyway here's the generic xorg.conf I'm usually using: replaced-url
• 2312[10:19:36] <cef> Anyway, past 6pm now so dinner and watching stuff (eg: youtube) using said box.. this'll do for the moment. Thanks anyway and I'll follow up on the xorg.conf method later.
• 2313[10:19:45] <alkisg> It should be enough to uncommented the preferred mode line there
• 2314[10:19:49] <alkisg> Cheers
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• 2458[14:10:38] <wyoung> win 15/
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• 2469[14:39:23] <tcurdt> when I put a file into /etc/cron.d do I need to reload/restart cron?
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• 2471[14:40:42] <jhutchins> tcurdt: No, it reads the files each time it runs.
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• 2473[14:41:45] <tcurdt> hm .. odd ... somehow it wasn't starting my job and I didn't see anything in the logs about it
• 2474[14:41:57] <tcurdt> guess that needs some more digging then
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• 2479[14:45:14] <tcurdt> something I wondered before: is there a way to poke cron to trigger a job - just for testing? ... like "run cron as if it was 09:00"
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• 2481[14:48:27] <nkuttler> tcurdt: um, just * * * * * and remove it after the full minute?
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• 2483[14:49:48] <tcurdt> nkuttler: yeah, that's what I am doing currently ... but that's still not quite the same
• 2484[14:49:57] <tcurdt> good enough to debug the one job
• 2485[14:50:54] <tcurdt> but it would be nice if there was a dryrun that would tell you what would happen at that time
• 2486[14:51:05] <tcurdt> and then execute as if was
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• 2505[15:19:24] <echoSMILE> How to filter with grep using two strings a the same line?
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• 2507[15:21:14] <echoSMILE> Got it.
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• 2516[15:36:08] <jhutchins> tcurdt: What's the name of the file?
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• 2539[16:05:50] <berkhan> Hi everybody! I am interested to install new Debian installation with cloud-init. I looked in the Wiki but could not find anything useful. Is preseed the only way to setup new Debian on a virtual machine (XenServer)?
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• 2544[16:17:59] <tomreyn> berkhan: you can also manually run the installer. or use debootstrap.
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• 2546[16:18:57] <deadrom> hi
• 2547[16:20:06] <deadrom> Just heard ofo RotaJakiro - sorting out if this is press humdrum or to be considered. Anything know yet, thread assessment, distribution, path, impact etc? Debian systems affected, repositories breached/tainted?
• 2548[16:22:41] <berkhan> tomreyn: I want to create instances on-demand. For example today, I need to setup a FTP server, but I really don't want to get into the Debian Installer. I guess using preseed is the only option in Debian for automated installation
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• 2551[16:24:41] <ratrace> deadrom: press humdrum. someone found something uploaded on virus total. looks like a tool you have _install_ or "somehow" get onto the target system. shrug.
• 2552[16:25:13] <ratrace> (there's tone of those)
• 2553[16:25:30] <deadrom> Alright, thanks.
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• 2555[16:26:54] <tomreyn> berkhan: there's also replaced-url
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• 2557[16:27:30] <tomreyn> so now you have three options: preseed, debootstrap, FAI
• 2558[16:27:47] <berkhan> > A tool for automated unattended installation. Lazy system administrators like it.
• 2559[16:27:47] <berkhan> This is what I want :)
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• 2562[16:29:04] <deadrom> That said I recently came to think that doing this computer stuff for a couple decades one tends to rely on old knowledge. The other day I get a notification on my desktop from a messenger - while the web interface of said messenger was not open in the browser I use for accessing it. So if I did not load their web interface and did not install externsions for it, how do I get desktop notifications? What does my browser silently run in the
• 2563[16:29:06] <deadrom> background I am not aware of? Why does it even run?
• 2564[16:30:16] <tomreyn> welcome to the current millennium
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• 2567[16:31:35] <ratrace> deadrom: chromium?
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• 2569[16:31:55] <deadrom> ratrace: yes indeed
• 2570[16:32:14] <ratrace> deadrom: go to its settings and disable those things, including running apps in the background and/or when chromium exits
• 2571[16:32:37] <deadrom> "Do no evil", fnord.
• 2572[16:32:44] <deadrom> thanks
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• 2574[16:33:49] <ratrace> it's not evil. it's not hidden, it's in teh settings. I guess you missed to disable that earlier, or read the proper documentation or release notes for the programs you use. :)
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• 2577[16:34:37] <berkhan> deadrom: I am also using Chromium day to day, but I did not see such thing
• 2578[16:34:39] <deadrom> ratrace: well, technically you're right, but if they really cared about my privacy they would not make it default:on
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• 2581[16:35:37] <ratrace> the lack of "privacy" is the price for free (as in beer) software.
• 2582[16:36:23] <ratrace> I don't think we can reasonably expect free (as in beer) things to not work against us.
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• 2584[16:37:20] <deadrom> another badge on my tinfoil hat.
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• 2605[16:53:18] <superbatmand> hi everyone
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• 2611[16:54:44] <superbatmand> i would like to know if zulucrypt is safe option to use r no i checked bot on internet looks like veracypt for some reason is more populer
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• 2626[17:03:05] <ratrace> superbatmand: looks like that's just a frontend to cryptsetup and "tcplay" whatever that is?
• 2627[17:03:55] <ratrace> infact, the upstream website says it can also manage truecrypt and veracrypt volumes
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• 2630[17:04:23] <ratrace> never heard of it until now, tho. I prefer LUKS directly via cryptsetup.
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• 2633[17:06:17] <superbatmand> fii used luks to make encypted usb using gnome disk i like it but i am not very good with all terminal commands still learning so wanted to know what should i use to encrypt my private folder i had only two otions in mind zulucrypt and veracrypt
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• 2640[17:09:36] <superbatmand> any suggestion will help specially from expiriance users of this softwares
• 2641[17:09:40] <Bayesian_Coffee> quick q for a debian newbie. i'm coming from Fedora / RH ecosystem because of a bad bug
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• 2643[17:10:02] <Bayesian_Coffee> does debian's fwupmgr keep track of lenovo thinkpad UEFI updates?
• 2644[17:10:18] <Bayesian_Coffee> on fedora, there were firmware updates that did get pushed to Software Center on GNOME
• 2645[17:11:14] <superbatmand> thanks ratrace for sharing your views
• 2646[17:11:31] <ratrace> Bayesian_Coffee: no idea about _that_ particular firmware, but in general, in Debian Stable, once released, breaking updates are never or very rarely (where justification exists, for noncritical software) introduced for that release.
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• 2648[17:12:26] <cosimone> hello, does anyone know if this was backported already? replaced-url
• 2649[17:12:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2653[17:13:27] <ratrace> !cve lookup CVE-2021-30145
• 2654[17:13:28] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2021-30145 may be found at replaced-url
• 2655[17:14:01] <ratrace> looks like Nope.
• 2656[17:14:48] <jelly> ratrace, fwupd gets firmware metadata and firmware itself from its own repos, independently of the packaging system
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• 2659[17:15:14] <ratrace> jelly: oh? didn't know that.
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• 2661[17:15:46] <jelly> and in theory ought to behave the same regardless of the distro, taking into account just the hardware
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• 2663[17:15:58] <ratrace> that's terrible then, esp for efi which is easily brickable for some... buggier... variants
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• 2665[17:16:33] <ratrace> and by brickable I mean turn hardware into paperweight, not "oof, I can reset bios or something"
• 2666[17:16:37] <jelly> debian can't really verify sanity of hw vendor blobs
• 2667[17:16:50] <ratrace> yeah
• 2668[17:17:43] <Bayesian_Coffee> ratrace: i'm just waiting on whatever firmware lenovo produces
• 2669[17:18:15] <Bayesian_Coffee> ratrace: like does debian's fwupmgr handle it?
• 2670[17:18:36] <jelly> Bayesian_Coffee, it shouldn't behave any different that fwupdmgr on any other distro
• 2671[17:18:37] <Bayesian_Coffee> when there's a new one, will it come through?
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• 2673[17:18:56] <ratrace> Bayesian_Coffee: obviously, I didn't quite understand how fwupd worked until now. I thought there was a packaged DB or something like that.
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• 2675[17:19:45] <Bayesian_Coffee> i guess i don't really understand what the relationship of the hardware vendors is to the different distro's repos
• 2676[17:19:51] <jelly> I don't use gnome, so no idea if the Software Center integration is present
• 2677[17:20:02] <Bayesian_Coffee> like how does a firmware update get into a distro? fedora or debian, for isntance?
• 2678[17:20:09] <jhutchins> Bayesian_Coffee: I don't think you should expect regular updates. There's usually one, about the time a new model hits the market, then they're done, on to the next model.
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• 2680[17:20:33] <ferz> Hi.
• 2681[17:20:33] <ferz> I've installed mosh via apt-get install mosh on a remote debian pc with 10 (buster) and it doesn't find the mosh-server even if it's on the $PATH in /usr/bin
• 2682[17:20:33] <ferz> I've already created the locale too. Is there any other using mosh that had already this mistake and he has fixed its config?
• 2683[17:20:39] <jelly> Bayesian_Coffee, firmware that is shipped with fwupd uses distribution canals independent of the distro
• 2684[17:20:59] <Bayesian_Coffee> i've seen thinkpad updates come through maybe every 6 mo or so
• 2685[17:21:11] <Bayesian_Coffee> anyway the reason why this is an aissue is that i'm on debian as a backup
• 2686[17:21:23] <jelly> jhutchins, that's not true. I got 3-4 uefi, me, thunderbolt, nvme ssd updates for this thinkpad in the last 2 years
• 2687[17:22:08] <Bayesian_Coffee> a new shim in fedora 34 exposed a crazy uefi bug
• 2688[17:22:51] <jhutchins> Interesting. I used to maintain about 200 thinkpads, and once the first update was out, that was it.
• 2689[17:23:00] <jhutchins> It's not like the hardware is constantly shifting.
• 2690[17:23:28] <jelly> the firmware however, has bugs, and there are security issues sometimes
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• 2692[17:23:48] <ratrace> is that specific to lenovo? my (asus) mobo has had a number of updates, and I mean updates I looked up on their site and downloaded manually and put on a FAT stick for it to take on boot and apply.... or are we talking about different things.
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• 2694[17:25:36] <jelly> no, there's a dozen different vendors uploading fw updates to LVFS
• 2695[17:26:34] <jhutchins> jelly: LVFS?
• 2696[17:26:40] <ratrace> "no" it's not specific, or "no" we're not talking about the same kind of firmware updates
• 2697[17:27:02] <ratrace> jelly: Linux Vendor Firmware Service
• 2698[17:27:04] <jelly> no it's not lenovo specific
• 2699[17:27:05] <ratrace> jhutchins: ^
• 2700[17:27:23] <ratrace> jelly: ah gotcha
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• 2702[17:28:58] <Bayesian_Coffee> jelly: interesting, thanks. will look for the update
• 2703[17:29:20] <jhutchins> Yeah, well, things change.
• 2704[17:29:49] <jhutchins> Why wouldn't updates to firmware packages be incorporated in the main apt updates?
• 2705[17:30:20] <jelly> debian does not redistribute flashable firmware at all
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• 2707[17:31:39] <jhutchins> Ok, so distinct from the kind of firmware we associate with things like WiFi firmware.
• 2708[17:32:11] <jelly> those are loaded at boot time.
• 2709[17:32:55] <jelly> uefi firmware, or disk firmware, or thunderbolt (= pcie) firmware can't be loaded after boot for obvious reasons
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• 2711[17:33:49] <jhutchins> Does this apply to pre-UEFI systems?
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• 2714[17:34:33] <jelly> no idea
• 2715[17:35:51] <ratrace> afaik it does. bios updates always required special floppies or USB key with vendor programs
• 2716[17:35:54] <jelly> but in general vendors that bother with fwupd do so if they sell hardware that is supposed to run linux. Dell XPS models, Lenovo Thinkpads, Thinkstations, etc
• 2717[17:36:44] <jelly> fwupd saves them the trouble of developing their own fw upgrade tools
• 2718[17:36:55] <jelly> s/upgrade/distribution/
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• 2722[17:42:31] <Bayesian_Coffee> so the fwupmgr has its own repo that it hits?
• 2723[17:46:58] <jhutchins> Nothing I own appears to be supported.
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• 2794[19:31:55] <concordia> Hello, how to remove "Possible missing firmware.." output when generating initramfs ? Thanks
• 2795[19:32:22] <nkuttler> install the firmware?
• 2796[19:32:39] <concordia> nkuttler, no need for it, it works 100% fine
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• 2798[19:33:17] <sney> there's probably a way to hide the warnings with configuration in initramfs-tools
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• 2801[19:33:45] <concordia> sney, I look in initramfs.conf and update-initramfs.conf but nothing relevant
• 2802[19:34:16] <sney> the default behavior is not explicitly configured then, you'll have to read through the documentation
• 2803[19:34:58] <petn-randall> concordia: Then you can just ignore it?
• 2804[19:35:50] <sney> !warning
• 2805[19:35:50] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
• 2806[19:36:10] <concordia> petn-randall, of course but it's annoying to have trillion of line wasting my terminal output. I remember having set this up years ago on stretch but can't remember the variable
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• 2808[19:37:45] <petn-randall> It's like ... 3 lines? Which is far less than this discussion took.
• 2809[19:38:45] <concordia> petn-randall, ok nevermind.. sorry for the trouble for asking a simple question.
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• 2811[19:39:26] <sney> there are a couple drivers that go overboard with it
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• 2846[20:45:40] <ralinux> hi people, my pc-laptop with Debian Bullseye, freezes touchpad,keyboard and mouse ramdonly, after that I have to close lid, open and logging again, what could be the problem?
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• 2848[20:46:55] <sney> ralinux: as you can see from the channel topic, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode)
• 2849[20:47:19] <ralinux> ok, sorry, thanks anyway,bye
• 2850[20:47:50] <ralinux> can buster support newer hardware?
• 2851[20:48:32] <sney> with the kernel from buster-backports, usually yes
• 2852[20:48:34] <avu> ralinux: the kernel from backports can help with newer hardware
• 2853[20:49:00] <ralinux> From backports?
• 2854[20:49:12] <sney> !backports
• 2855[20:49:12] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 2856[20:50:43] <ralinux> ok thanks!
• 2857[20:51:42] <ralinux> anyway great distro Debian Bullseye but this problem got me perplexed
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• 2860[20:57:10] <oxek> ralinux: this problem is expected on bullseye
• 2861[20:57:16] <oxek> that's why it's in testing and not stable yet
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• 2903[21:58:32] <somiaj> with bullseye being realsed soon, might as well start supporting it here to help us get use to the changes once it is released
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• 2905[22:00:57] <brokencycle> Hi! I am having problems with fail2ban: It doesn't ban, although saying so.
• 2906[22:02:01] <somiaj> brokencycle: 'iptables -L', do you see the f2b-sshd chain? (here assuming you are wanting sshd blocking)
• 2907[22:02:56] <brokencycle> somiaj: It's a different jail, but yes, I see the f2b-jailname chain.
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• 2909[22:03:31] <brokencycle> There are also rules in there, like eg. 0 0 REJECT all -- * * 5.188.206.236 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
• 2910[22:03:35] <brokencycle> 0 0 REJECT all -- * * 5.188.206.236 0.0.0.0/0 reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
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• 2913[22:03:43] <somiaj> brokencycle: but that ip isn't actually being blocked?
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• 2915[22:04:25] <jhutchins> brokencycle: A better strategy is to a) Run it on a different port and b) Set iptables to throttle it to something like 3/sec.
• 2916[22:04:51] <brokencycle> Yes. In the app's logs, I can still see that there are (unsuccessful) login attempts to the service
• 2917[22:04:54] <brokencycle> fromt hat IP
• 2918[22:05:15] <brokencycle> jhutchins: That sounds like a good idea, but the thing is, the rule seems to be ignored.
• 2919[22:05:20] <somiaj> brokencycle: and you have an INPUT rule that targest that chain?
• 2920[22:05:45] <brokencycle> The chain has a "RETURN statement last, and that has all the bytes associated with it in the INPUT chain, too.
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• 2922[22:06:07] <brokencycle> somiaj: Yes
• 2923[22:06:18] <somiaj> I haven't used fail2ban outside of the default sshd configuration it comes with, but just figured you could at least double check the rules are being created
• 2924[22:06:37] <brokencycle> It's actually the only rule in INPUT
• 2925[22:06:37] <somiaj> so unsure why the rules are being ignored, or could there be some other rule taking presidence
• 2926[22:07:07] <brokencycle> This is the last rule in the f2b-service chain:
• 2927[22:07:09] <brokencycle> 37 4625 RETURN all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0
• 2928[22:07:24] <brokencycle> All other rules in there have 0 packets processed.
• 2929[22:07:26] <somiaj> it isn't an tcp/udp issue, I notice my rule only affects tcp.
• 2930[22:07:48] <brokencycle> Yes. It should block *all* traffic.
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• 2933[22:08:38] <brokencycle> I mean, it should block all traffic from that IP. But inside the chain, all rules seem to be ignored.
• 2934[22:08:41] <somiaj> well maybe someone else with more knowledge than I can help out. I also don't know if maybe ##networking could also help out if you don't get any support here.
• 2935[22:09:18] <jhutchins> !iptables
• 2936[22:09:18] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see replaced-url
• 2937[22:09:49] <jhutchins> brokencycle: It's usually a problem with syntax, but that shouldn't happen with fail2ban.
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• 2939[22:10:11] <brokencycle> jhutchins: fail2ban does insert the right rules, as far as I can see. They just seem to be skipped.
• 2940[22:10:37] <brokencycle> But I wonder whether this has something to do with my networking setup. The packets come in
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• 2942[22:11:26] <brokencycle> via an unnumbered ethernet, which is a port on an OVS bridge.
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• 2945[22:13:19] <brokencycle> Can iptables or nftables be turned on and off on a per interface basis, or does it
• 2946[22:13:27] <brokencycle> always work across the entire system?
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• 2949[22:14:09] <brokencycle> I looked at sysctl -a, but it didn't leap out to me.
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• 2963[22:25:43] <calamari> I'm trying to achieve no dropped frames and no screen tearing in mpv. With LXDE, there is no tearing, but there are dropped frames. With MATE, there is tearing (unless I switch to compton/compiz, then there are dropped frames). Is there another window manager that I should be using? Gnome 3? KDE?
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• 2971[22:35:58] <jmcnaught> calamari: something that uses Wayland instead of X11 might be worth a try. GNOME 3 uses Wayland by default, for KDE there is the plasma-workspace-wayland package. In bullseye there's also sway.
• 2972[22:37:28] <calamari> jmcnaught: thank you
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• 2975[22:42:43] <brokencycle> Ok. I think I found the fail2ban problem: I use dovecot as a single source of truth to check for
• 2976[22:43:14] <brokencycle> valid users and then reject invalid users at the Postfix SMTP level. However, probing
• 2977[22:43:59] <brokencycle> on behalf of spammers happens via the SMTP port, but are detected by dovecot, so logged as
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• 2979[22:44:06] <brokencycle> failings in the dovecot service.
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• 2983[22:44:54] <brokencycle> To block those IPs, anyway, I augmented the postfix filter with the regular expression matching
• 2984[22:45:04] <brokencycle> dovecot, but so far, fail2ban doesn't block on that.
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• 2990[22:47:26] <brokencycle> I have dovecot and postfix jails enabled, plus a few more
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• 3001[22:50:30] <jolt> brokencycle: I'm no expert, but I think the way I got it to work was with the fail2ban debugging tools, then I restarted it after I updated the filter.d/ conf for dovecot
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• 3052[23:10:00] <brokencycle> I think I got it working now, sort of. It would be quite helpful to have something like
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• 3055[23:10:22] <brokencycle> ss -K dst <HOST> dport = <port of relevant service> as an action.
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• 3057[23:11:04] <brokencycle> Then bolt that onto any iptables rule editing, and voila! Because it seems that
• 3058[23:11:19] <brokencycle> fail2ban does not, by default, reset the connection to the banned host.
• 3059[23:11:25] <urk> I get the following error message on bootup replaced-url
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• 3062[23:12:01] <brokencycle> So the host keeps pounding the service because established connections are not subject to
• 3063[23:12:09] <brokencycle> iptables filtering, as far as I can see.
• 3064[23:12:14] <urk> Any idea how to fix this problem? I followed the URL in the message, and attempted to download a file in a referred url, but not sure what to do with it replaced-url
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• 3068[23:22:47] <jhutchins> !firmware
• 3069[23:22:48] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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• 3071[23:23:20] <somiaj> the package you need is firmware-misc-nonfree
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• 3073[23:25:49] <urk> somiaj: firmware-misc-non-free version is already installed. However, I am accessing the internet via an adapter, and a Cat 8 cable.
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• 3076[23:26:59] <jhutchins> Is the firmware package backported?
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• 3079[23:27:38] <urk> somiaj: There shouldn't be a problem downlaoding this package. And to prove my point take a look at replaced-url
• 3080[23:28:24] <urk> jhutchins: I already have backports in my /etc/apt/sources.list so it would have been automatically added unless there was something wrong with the update routine. This missing package has been a long standing problem.
• 3081[23:28:35] <somiaj> Maybe I missed which firmware you needed, you shouldn't need backports for the firmware I looked up (for your gpu), are you wanting the wireless firwmare
• 3082[23:29:21] <somiaj> but the firmware file that it says is missing is in stable, so no need for backports.
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• 3086[23:30:27] <somiaj> ,v firwmare-misc-nonfree
• 3087[23:30:28] <judd> No package named 'firwmare-misc-nonfree' was found in amd64.
• 3088[23:30:36] <somiaj> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
• 3089[23:30:37] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20210315-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210315-2; sid/non-free: 20210315-2; experimental/non-free: 20210322-1~exp1
• 3090[23:30:45] <somiaj> but a newer version is in backports, you could try that.
• 3091[23:32:17] <somiaj> urk: also backport packages are never isntalled automatically, you have to expliclity reqest they are installed. But I don't know why you are talking about internet via an adapter, are you trying to get wifi to work?
• 3092[23:32:24] <somiaj> the firmware you have there won't get wifi working
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• 3094[23:33:08] <urk> somiaj: yes
• 3095[23:33:42] <urk> somiaj: I had it working during the first install of kernel 5.10l, but have decided not to use it because it isn't nearly as stable as kernel 4.19
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• 3097[23:33:51] <somiaj> It could be you need both a newer kernel and firmware from backports for your wifi adpater. What wifi adapter do you have?
• 3098[23:34:20] <urk> somiaj: Don't have any because there is no adapter with kernel 4.19
• 3099[23:34:22] <somiaj> I don't know why 5.10 wouldn't be nearly as stable as 4.19, they are both longterm support kernels. But it could be the only way to get wifi support for your card is to use a newer kernel.
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• 3102[23:34:55] <somiaj> If your hardware needs a newer kernel you'll want 5.10 + firmware from backports
• 3103[23:35:06] <urk> somiaj: I had problems with 5.10, and a couple of times the whole system crashed after only running a chmod command on a couple of files.
• 3104[23:35:51] <somiaj> My guess is something else is going on, there are many using 5.10 just fine, and chmod shouldn't be stressing things that much.
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• 3107[23:41:47] <urk> I assume that i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin was designed for kernel 4.19 or it wouldn't have shown up as missing at bootup so this is the reason I was looking for advice on how to install it.
• 3108[23:42:09] <jhutchins> somiaj: We have seen some regressions for 5.10 and certain hardware.
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• 3112[23:46:03] <urk> Missing firmware is not showing up in i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin replaced-url
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• 3118[23:47:55] <brokencycle> somiaj: I consider going back from testing to stable in order to (hopefully) get my optimus graphics working again.
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• 3120[23:49:38] <urk> Based on the status message, the missing firmware appears to operate runtime power management, and won't likely assist with wifi.
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• 3122[23:50:24] <jhutchins> brokencycle: You might ask in #debian-next on oftc.net if there are known issues.
• 3123[23:50:37] <qrpnxz> hello fellow debian users
• 3124[23:50:50] <petn-randall> hi qrpnxz
• 3125[23:51:05] <ryouma> is btrfs, even without compression, going to supply, say 20gb extra space on a 2tb drive compared to ext4, due to its various space saving features (not including compression and dedup)?
• 3126[23:51:07] <qrpnxz> would you believe i'm reaching you via XMPP? amazin protocol
• 3127[23:52:24] <qrpnxz> are y'all running bullseye yet?
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• 3129[23:52:33] <qrpnxz> Been working well for me for over 6 month
• 3130[23:53:21] <ryouma> any changes on stretch to buster installation in the past few months? i.e. any gotchas discovered?
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• 3134[23:55:01] <qrpnxz> haven't seen anything big/weird in my regular upgrades, but idk
• 3135[23:55:48] <somiaj> urk: firmware isn't exactly tied to kernel versions, but 'ls /lib/firmware/i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin
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• 3137[23:56:20] <somiaj> urk: If you have firmware-misc-nonfree installed y ou should ahve that file. Though wonder if you need to rebuild your initramfs to make it at boot.
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• 3139[23:57:01] <somiaj> urk: Yes, I already said that the firmware mentioned there is not for your wifi, its for your gpu. It might just be 4.19 is not new enough for your wifi, if that is the case you may have to track any bugs in 5.10 that effect your hardware.
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• 3142[23:57:22] <urk> somiaj: It isn't in there, and there is no need to do an "ls" since the error message wouldn't have been displayed if it was in there.
• 3143[23:57:43] <somiaj> urk: then you don't have firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
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• 3147[23:58:16] <somiaj> urk: note I wasn't sure if error -2 meant that the file was missing, or maybe there was some other error loading the firmware. Hence you said you installed the package, so you can easily double check the file you need is in place.
• 3148[23:58:30] <somiaj> urk: so you should run commands to double check even if you think it is obvious.
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• 3150[23:59:22] <somiaj> replaced-url
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