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• 4[00:06:23] <karlpinc> ratrace: I'm curious how you know, short of trying it, that hostnamectl updates files.
• 5[00:08:15] <ratrace> karlpinc: I used it, and it's in the manpage.
• 6[00:08:34] <ratrace> it also does dbus calls, for who's listening
• 7[00:08:35] <jelly> it is allowed to try things and see what they do
• 8[00:09:04] <karlpinc> :)
• 9[00:09:19] <jmcnaught> hostnamectl does not update /etc/hosts though
• 10[00:10:00] <jelly> you probably need a fullyqualifieddomainnamectl for that
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• 12[00:14:50] <karlpinc> Well, man hostnamectl says it updates the fully qualified hostname as well as other hostnames. And I don't see anything about which are made permanent across boots. (Buster man page.) So that's why I was curious about "how to tell".
• 13[00:16:44] <ratrace> karlpinc: "The static hostname is stored in /etc/hostname, see hostname(5) for more information."
• 14[00:17:07] <ratrace> but yes, that's only the hostname. not FQDN which is resolved via the hostname in /etc/hosts
• 15[00:17:14] <ratrace> Utterly terrible linux is utterly terrible.
• 16[00:17:39] <karlpinc> ratrace: But not "The updated static hostname is stored in /etc/hostname, see hostname(5) for more information." :)
• 17[00:18:55] * karlpinc has always liked the openbsd man pages
• 18[00:19:40] <jelly> Terrian.
• 19[00:21:20] <ratrace> I just realized.... OpenBSD is literally Theocracy.
• 20[00:21:38] <sney> groan
• 21[00:22:27] <ratrace> tough crowd
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• 70[00:45:54] <urk> I got the host name changed, but still have issues with sudo, and get am error "user not in sudoer's file".
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• 73[00:47:53] <another> is your user in the sudoers file? or in a group which is in there?
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• 75[00:49:06] <jmcnaught> urk: if you want to use sudo then you can add your user to the sudo group as root with this command: "adduser myuser sudo"
• 76[00:49:38] <jmcnaught> urk: make sure you're using "su -l" to become root and not just "su", otherwise you will not have root's environment including PATH with /sbin
• 77[00:49:41] <urk> another: I didn't see anything in /etc/sudoers except a notice to edit sudoers.d instead Neither one show pdq which is the user. I am currentin in /etc/sudoers.d, and have no idea how to edit it.
• 78[00:50:07] <urk> jmcnaught: i used su - instead of su -l, but can change that.
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• 81[00:50:32] <another> visudo
• 82[00:50:52] <jmcnaught> visudo is unnecessary just add the user to the sudo group
• 83[00:51:01] <ratrace> urk: no need to edit sudoers file. the %sudo group is already defined, just put your user in it, as jmcnaught said
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• 87[00:53:33] <another> sure, that's the more convenient way of course. just putting it out there how to edit sudoers if ever needed
• 88[00:55:15] <urk> sudoers problem appears to be fixed, but it looks like I still have a problem with the hostname replaced-url
• 89[00:55:52] <urk> The mistake I made with the adduser command is that I didn't put sudo after it. glad JcMnaught brought this to my attention.
• 90[00:57:44] <urk> grand-conjunction shows up when typing the command "hostname"
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• 92[00:59:07] <oxek> add grand-conjuction to /etc/hosts
• 93[00:59:09] <urk> nope, now sudo isn't working again, but suspect it is because the hostname is causing confusion. It worked a few minutes ago so not sure what is going on.
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• 95[00:59:17] <urk> oxek: Its already in there
• 96[00:59:39] <oxek> urk: can you paste the output of /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname somewhere?
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• 98[01:00:54] <urk> oxek: replaced-url
• 99[01:01:31] <oxek> yeah that's wrong
• 100[01:02:39] <urk> oxek: how would you fix it?
• 101[01:02:40] <oxek> should look like replaced-url
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• 103[01:02:46] <urk> oxek: I am reading replaced-url
• 104[01:10:01] <urk> Now I am getting the "readonly" option is set (add! to override
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• 108[01:13:34] <oxek> urk: why don't you just install that system normally?
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• 111[01:17:28] <urk> oxek: what do you mean?
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• 113[01:18:48] <oxek> you ended up with a system that had incorrect /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, likely an empty /etc/sudoers, user wasn't part of sudo group, and who knows what else
• 114[01:19:11] <oxek> plus you've been having other issues with that installation
• 115[01:19:25] <urk> oxek: I think the suoder file is ok, and that the host name is confusing it.
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• 122[01:26:33] <urk> oxek: I get an error when attempting to edit /etc/hosts Error indicates unable to resolve host grand-conjunction. I was trying to setup my host file so that it looks like replaced-url
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• 124[01:27:24] <urk> I used the following instructions for changing the hostname replaced-url
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• 126[01:28:56] <urk> I am not sure what caused all this, but suspect the hostname was left off during the setup routine.
• 127[01:28:58] <oxek> urk: you can't edit that file without root privileges
• 128[01:29:04] <oxek> the hostname part is irrelevant
• 129[01:29:22] <oxek> login as root, and fix the /etc/hosts
• 130[01:29:36] <oxek> if you can't sudo, then sudo is broken and you need to login as the actual root user
• 131[01:29:53] <oxek> if you haven't set a password for the actual root user, then you'll need to boot off a live cd
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• 133[01:32:43] <urk> oxek: how is this replaced-url
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• 135[01:33:31] <ratrace> wait, this still ain't resolved?
• 136[01:33:36] <ratrace> pun not intended lol
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• 138[01:34:14] <urk> ratrace: what needs to be changed?
• 139[01:36:11] <nicoz> sorry it seems normal that there is in / etc / shadow a user named rtkit ?
• 140[01:36:18] <jmcnaught> urk: why do you have a line for google.com? You are missing a line for localhost. Make it look like replaced-url
• 141[01:36:39] <nicoz> I know so much about some hacker's rootkit who hacked me
• 142[01:36:47] <urk> jmcnaught: thanks for the clarification
• 143[01:37:18] <nicoz> i use debian bullseye testing
• 144[01:38:02] <oxek> nicoz: yes, it's fine
• 145[01:38:28] <nicoz> it's normal oxek ?
• 146[01:38:34] <oxek> yes
• 147[01:38:39] <nicoz> ah ok ok ;)
• 148[01:39:03] <urk> jmcnaught: ok, I have changed it replaced-url
• 149[01:39:13] <nicoz> so i just went on a bad mental trip, apologize for the inconvenience, thanks
• 150[01:39:37] <nicoz> :P
• 151[01:39:37] <oxek> nicoz: no problem, it is a security related file, so having someone else confirm it is usually a good idea
• 152[01:40:02] <nicoz> ;)
• 153[01:40:39] <oxek> also, for next time, bullseye support is on OFTC not freenode. All sorts of things might be different in bullseye and many of us don't follow it until it's stable.
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• 155[01:41:15] <oxek> urk: all is good now?
• 156[01:41:24] <urk> replaced-url
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• 158[01:42:11] <nicoz> when will the new release come out? in June July?
• 159[01:42:26] <oxek> nicoz: 2021, very likely
• 160[01:42:46] <nicoz> yes i know oftc oxek, i have a znc in oftc server
• 161[01:43:08] <nicoz> if I'm not mistaken the channel is debian.next
• 162[01:43:23] <nicoz> debian-next
• 163[01:44:34] <ratrace> nicoz: if you think rtkit is badly named, wait until you see the "tracker miner" gnome process :)
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• 166[01:45:56] <nicoz> ratrace, i use xfce
• 167[01:46:14] <nicoz> gnome usually makes me fall asleep ;P
• 168[01:46:38] <nicoz> not for me, too little editable
• 169[01:47:01] <ratrace> well, good :)
• 170[01:47:34] <nicoz> I'm a little old fashioned
• 171[01:47:36] <nicoz> :P
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• 177[01:54:04] <urk> I am still having trouble installing Google Chrome replaced-url
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• 179[01:54:37] <petn-randall> urk: The error message should reveal the problem.
• 180[01:54:42] <petn-randall> urk: The file doesn't exist.
• 181[01:55:31] <nicoz> dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
• 182[01:55:31] <nicoz> root@grand-conjunction:~#
• 183[01:55:32] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, nicoz
• 184[01:55:41] <oxek> dpkg: shut up
• 185[01:55:41] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
• 186[01:55:45] <urk> petn_randall: File is in /home/pdq/
• 187[01:55:55] <urk> It exists, but something else is wrong.
• 188[01:56:01] <ratrace> THE SASS from the bot!
• 189[01:56:07] <oxek> urk: dpkg -i /home/pdq/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
• 190[01:56:13] <nicoz> urk you cannot install a package that does not exist
• 191[01:56:15] <nicoz> :P
• 192[01:56:23] <jmcnaught> urk: when you run "su -l" it changes directories from /home/pdq to /root (root's HOME)
• 193[01:56:45] <urk> jmcnaught: what is the solution?
• 194[01:57:02] <nicoz> use "pwd" for see the location to see which folder you are in
• 195[01:57:24] <urk> nicoz: I'm in root, and already knew that
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• 197[01:57:57] <nicoz> cd /home/pdq/
• 198[01:58:04] <nicoz> or <oxek> urk: dpkg -i /home/pdq/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb
• 199[01:58:15] <nicoz> you have the solution urk
• 200[01:58:17] <nicoz> ;)
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• 202[01:59:25] <nicoz> oxek you stay in oftc?
• 203[01:59:51] <oxek> nicoz: I can't connect to oftc, for reasons...
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• 206[02:00:52] <nicoz> you have receive the kline?
• 207[02:00:53] <nicoz> lol
• 208[02:00:55] <nicoz> :P
• 209[02:01:47] <kline> hello
• 210[02:01:56] <nicoz> hahha
• 211[02:01:58] <kline> #debian have received the kline
• 212[02:02:08] <nicoz> hello kline ;)
• 213[02:02:16] <kline> oxek, oftc is good people, you should be there as well as here
• 214[02:02:23] <kline> freenode collaborates with them a bunch
• 215[02:02:46] <petn-randall> oxek: What are you doing in your IRC client and what error do you get?
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• 218[02:04:35] <oxek> kline: oftc is indeed good people, and i know some opers are opers in both, but the list of bad IP addresses matches my IP
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• 220[02:05:01] <nicoz> please guys i'm nico and i'm italian;) debian lover
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• 223[02:05:30] <nicoz> oxec use a freeznc
• 224[02:05:38] <nicoz> for join in oftc
• 225[02:05:48] <nicoz> ##freeznc
• 226[02:05:53] <nicoz> it's a simple request
• 227[02:05:58] <oxek> I prefer to not have a mitm thank you
• 228[02:06:10] <kline> does oftc have sasl?
• 229[02:06:29] <nicoz> yes
• 230[02:06:31] <urk> still getting a path error replaced-url
• 231[02:06:56] <kline> oxek, they may be able to convert your IP range from banned completely to requiring sasl
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• 233[02:07:06] <kline> if you know opers there it might be something worth discussing
• 234[02:07:30] <kline> or maybe send them a polite email explaining the situation and asking for help
• 235[02:07:33] <jmcnaught> !buster su
• 236[02:07:33] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 237[02:07:35] <kline> chances are they'll want to
• 238[02:07:36] <jmcnaught> urk: ^
• 239[02:07:48] <urk> yes
• 240[02:08:30] <urk> What is this ldconfig not found in PATH or not executable?
• 241[02:08:46] <jmcnaught> urk: it appears that you have gone back to using "su" without the -l
• 242[02:09:04] <oxek> kline: yeah, I get killed before any real communication even happens. SASL would help, but oftc doesn't have sasl.
• 243[02:09:13] <urk> jmcnaught: I already discovered that, and the install is complete HOORAH!/
• 244[02:09:16] <urk> !
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• 249[02:10:20] <urk> jmcnaught: Why does the -l parameter have to be used after su? I am reading the man page on what it does, but not sure I understand the significance.
• 250[02:11:01] <sney> the l is for login, it logs in as root and applies the full environment
• 251[02:11:08] <sney> without l, it just switches the uid
• 252[02:11:23] <sney> (or without - by itself)
• 253[02:11:29] <kline> oxek, like i said, a polite email will probably have them tripping over themselves to help. most opers actually like interacting with polite users with honest problems
• 254[02:11:40] <urk> sney: so the login shell is the main significance?
• 255[02:11:48] <sney> yes
• 256[02:11:53] <urk> thanks.
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• 258[02:13:18] <nicoz> who would be the administrators here of the channel?
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• 262[02:14:52] <oxek> /msg chanserv access #debian list
• 263[02:14:54] <oxek> nicoz: ^
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• 273[02:23:29] <craigevil> oftc has secure key login
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• 276[02:24:22] <nicoz> :P
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• 278[02:24:55] <horribleprogram> oxek: weird Q
• 279[02:24:56] <oxek> craigevil: happens too late in the process though
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• 281[02:25:11] <horribleprogram> oxek: do the admins of a channel see anyone who tries to query such a list
• 282[02:25:22] <oxek> horribleprogram: no
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• 284[02:25:26] <horribleprogram> kk
• 285[02:25:30] <oxek> not on freenode at least
• 286[02:25:40] <horribleprogram> cuz I did it once and I forget which channel but someone messaged me like... why u doing that
• 287[02:25:44] <oxek> there are other networks where the admins/ops can be alerted to such actions
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• 289[02:25:46] <nicoz> so also the ircop of the freenode server are chan operators?
• 290[02:25:50] <horribleprogram> ahh kk
• 291[02:26:13] <horribleprogram> this happened to be (I think) #python but it was definitely on Freenode, so idk maybe I did something else by accident
• 292[02:26:29] <craigevil> are you using a vpn? i was blocked before doing that
• 293[02:26:33] <oxek> nicoz: ircops hang around in many channels, and a lot of channels give ircops (staff) op privileges, for obvious reasons
• 294[02:26:38] <horribleprogram> no I don't use a VPN
• 295[02:26:54] <jess> hello ircop here
• 296[02:26:55] <horribleprogram> well I use a VPN, just not for irc
• 297[02:27:03] <jess> put ur hands where i can see em
• 298[02:27:16] <horribleprogram> do u have an Internet warrant
• 299[02:27:20] <oxek> jess: so you're alerted on 'staff', are you also alerted on 'ircop' then?
• 300[02:27:24] <jess> no but i have pictures of sandcats
• 301[02:27:26] <ratrace> consequences will never be the same
• 302[02:27:30] <jess> oxek: you said ircops (staff)
• 303[02:27:31] <horribleprogram> dang that's even better
• 304[02:27:38] <oxek> oh yeah, you're right...
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• 306[02:27:46] <horribleprogram> fine... search my stuff, but u might not like what u find
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• 308[02:28:24] <horribleprogram> aka thousands of pics
• 309[02:28:26] <horribleprogram> of my
• 310[02:28:26] <oxek> jess: can you confirm that doing `/msg chanserv access #debian list` on freenode does not alert any admin about anything?
• 311[02:28:27] <horribleprogram> ...
• 312[02:29:20] <nicoz> lol
• 313[02:29:22] <horribleprogram> jess: well at the very least, is there a setting certain channels can turn on that would alert them on queries like that
• 314[02:29:22] <craigevil> oxek, tried the webchat?
• 315[02:29:25] <nicoz> scuse me jess
• 316[02:29:41] <oxek> craigevil: webchats require a browser, and browsers are ereplaced-url
• 317[02:29:42] <horribleprogram> a non-invasive query
• 318[02:29:50] <nicoz> we were just chatting me and oxek
• 319[02:29:55] <oxek> (and require captcha)
• 320[02:30:59] <jess> oxek: that doesn't alert sstaff
• 321[02:31:14] <jess> horribleprogram: no
• 322[02:31:22] <horribleprogram> ahh cool
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• 324[02:31:47] <nicoz> vI apologize
• 325[02:31:54] <nicoz> i apologize
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• 327[02:32:12] <oxek> horribleprogram: you also shouldn't be worried if you get a reply like "ChanServ (ChanServ@replaced-ip): You are not authorized to perform this operation."
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• 329[02:32:41] <horribleprogram> I can imagine it logs such a thing tho
• 330[02:33:00] <horribleprogram> like unauthorized sudo attempts
• 331[02:33:09] <horribleprogram> well failed sudo attempts
• 332[02:33:21] <oxek> very likely doesn't. Btw feel free to move this convo to #freenode, since it is offtopic in this debian support channel
• 333[02:33:51] <oxek> (and more opers will see your question and be able to give you a satisfying answer)
• 334[02:34:43] <horribleprogram> mhm sorry yeah it's off-topic
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• 354[03:11:17] <urk> Is notepadqq in the repository? Notepad's website indicates there is a Debian version, but I don't see it on their site nor Debian. Install command using snap doesnt work.
• 355[03:11:34] <sney> !search
• 356[03:11:34] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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• 358[03:14:57] <oxek> urk: notepadqq is not being developed anymore, you might want to look for a replacement
• 359[03:15:17] <urk> oxek: what about brackets?
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• 362[03:15:46] <urk> The command on the website doesn't work replaced-url
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• 364[03:16:13] <oxek> I don't know Brackets
• 365[03:17:14] <oxek> btw you really are on a quick road leading to a broken debian system. Enabling ppa on debian, adding random repos to sources.list, adding snapd, ...
• 366[03:17:19] <urk> oxek: Looks like it goes end of life September 2021 replaced-url
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• 387[03:35:18] <urk> I am still getting sudoer errors, but don't understand the problem. Can anyone make sense out of what is going on? replaced-url
• 388[03:36:11] <sney> log all the way out, log out of pdq, then log back in to pdq and try your sudo command.
• 389[03:36:43] <sney> also check to make sure you didn't break your sudoers file, sometimes people remove the % in front of sudo in /etc/sudoers thinking that it's a comment
• 390[03:36:44] <Hash> What is 'group pdq' say?
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• 392[03:37:12] <Hash> If you added to a group, you need to relogin, or start another login.
• 393[03:37:29] <Hash> Essentially, reload the user.
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• 425[04:15:28] <uplime> hi! I'm trying to enable buster-backports for raspbian through ansible, but the error I'm getting indicates I need to import a signing key for it. Does anyone know where I can find the url for that signing key?
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• 429[04:18:35] <oxek> !raspbian
• 430[04:18:36] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 433[04:19:24] <uplime> wouldn't the signing key be on the deb.debian.org server though?
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• 435[04:20:06] <oxek> I have no idea where raspbian repos are
• 436[04:20:18] <uplime> this isn't a raspbian repo
• 437[04:20:34] <uplime> this is buster-backports on debian
• 438[04:21:09] <oxek> the package debian-archive-keyring contains all the necessary keys for debian
• 439[04:23:38] <urk> Is cudatext in the repos?
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• 441[04:25:03] <urk> It seems to be a good program, updated frequently, and should be brought into the repos or backports.
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• 443[04:25:13] <oxek> !search
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• 445[04:25:13] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
• 446[04:25:13] <uplime> oxek: the debian-archive-keyring I have installed doesn't have the buster-backport keys, but I found them so thanks anyways
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• 448[04:25:52] <urk> sney: Your suggestion about logging out and back in fixed the sudoer problem.
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• 451[04:27:25] <wald0> how i can find the -dev package for a specific lib package?
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• 454[04:27:58] <wald0> like, for libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 to know that I need the libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev package
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• 497[06:19:00] <urk> Would someone mind checking my sources.list file to make sure I did it correctly? I received some duplication errors, and commented out some of the lines, but hopefully didn't comment out too much replaced-url
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• 500[06:24:04] <jmcnaught> urk: just copy the example from this page, the second example if you want contrib and non-free. You do not need both examples: replaced-url
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• 507[06:37:19] <urk> jmcnaught: How is this replaced-url
• 508[06:38:57] <jmcnaught> urk: looks okay, does "apt update" give you any errors?
• 509[06:39:07] <urk> No
• 510[06:40:43] <urk> ok. The next step is to hookup the drive that was hooked up to the old laptop with a cord, and copy everything over.
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• 517[07:06:02] <john_rambo> Hi, Debian was already installed then I installed GhostBSD as dual boot. GhostBSD's REFIND automatically detected Debian & added it to the boot menu but Debian has become unbootable. I see the error >>> modprobe: module dm-raid not found in modules.dep ||| You are in emergency mode ||| Cannot open access to console, the root account is locked
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• 519[07:06:17] <john_rambo> How can I fix this ?
• 520[07:07:42] <karlpinc> john_rambo: Dunno. Looks like the BSD bootloader is booting Linux. And maybe the kernel parameters are not right? (Random guess.)
• 521[07:07:59] <awal1> dpkg: repair grub
• 522[07:07:59] <dpkg> awal1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 523[07:08:41] <karlpinc> john_rambo: So, figure out what bootloader you want to use. Then use it to boot both OSs, or chainload the other bootloader.
• 524[07:10:11] <john_rambo> karlpinc, GhostBSD's rEFInd has done one thing right. It has detected Debian and added it to the menu but Debian refuses to boot
• 525[07:10:29] <john_rambo> karlpinc, I am totally ok with rEFInd
• 526[07:12:16] <awal1> dpk: fixmbr
• 527[07:12:25] <awal1> dpkg: fixmbr
• 528[07:12:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 529[07:13:27] <john_rambo> Okay ... I will try that ... Thanks
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• 531[07:19:10] <TheBigK> nice. it was my usenet provider... download is now as fast as usual... thanks karlpinc
• 532[07:19:26] <TheBigK> problems that disappear by itself are the best problems :)
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• 536[07:23:37] <ectospasm> No, they're the worst. You never know what fixed it, so it ain't fixed.
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• 540[07:26:00] <rockworld> hi everyone, I have a security issue so Im wondering what to do cause I have a random domain pointing to my dedicated server
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• 542[07:27:11] <ectospasm> rockworld: What do you mean,"random domain pointing to your dedicated server?"
• 543[07:27:17] <rockworld> if anyone can give me a tips
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• 545[07:27:55] <ectospasm> You mean some random domain has an A or AAAA record for your VPS?
• 546[07:28:30] <rockworld> I mean I have 4 website on hosted on my dedicated server using apache2
• 547[07:28:59] <rockworld> and when I sent a domain lookup I found that there is a random domain that I dont know
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• 549[07:29:11] <rockworld> sorry for my bad english im french :)
• 550[07:29:14] <ectospasm> How did you do your domain lookup?
• 551[07:29:22] <ectospasm> dig, nslookup, etc?
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• 553[07:30:18] <rockworld> mxlookup
• 554[07:30:24] <rockworld> thats a website
• 555[07:30:38] <rockworld> but I typed the url
• 556[07:30:48] <rockworld> and I see the domain is pointing to one of my url
• 557[07:30:51] <ectospasm> mxlookup seems specific to mail servers.
• 558[07:31:08] <karlpinc> rockworld: There's nothing you can do, other than configure your webserver to not answer requests to domains other than yours.
• 559[07:31:15] <rockworld> sorry replaced-url
• 560[07:31:32] <karlpinc> rockworld: Or email server or whatever.
• 561[07:31:44] <karlpinc> rockworld: Anybody can point any domain they own to any IP address.
• 562[07:32:00] <ectospasm> Do you have a local Linux terminal you can use? I'd be wary of any web tools like that.
• 563[07:32:29] <rockworld> yes I know :p I was wondering if there was a way to prevent that leakers to get any info from my website
• 564[07:33:23] <rockworld> karlpink: any good apache conf idea for that?
• 565[07:33:36] <ectospasm> If you know the bogus domain you could set up an SNI for that bad domain, make sure it doesn't do anything.
• 566[07:33:37] <rockworld> yes I have my terminal
• 567[07:33:42] <rockworld> but Im not a expert
• 568[07:33:47] <karlpinc> rockworld: There's no way to tell how an incoming connection got your IP address, except for http requests that pass-in the domain they're trying to reach.
• 569[07:33:56] <rockworld> I still learn a lot everyday
• 570[07:34:50] <rockworld> we know internet in these times so much bad request or attack
• 571[07:34:52] <ectospasm> you can install bind-utils and use `dig <domain>` to see what nameserver
• 572[07:35:04] <ectospasm> ...is serving that domain.
• 573[07:35:19] <karlpinc> ectospasm: To what end?
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• 575[07:36:00] <ectospasm> Maybe contact the abuse address for the domain
• 576[07:36:10] <ectospasm> Or the DNS server
• 577[07:36:20] <rockworld> I was thinking about contacting the abuse address
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• 580[07:36:47] <rockworld> its not the main domain its just a cname
• 581[07:37:17] <rockworld> this is the domain xanga.net
• 582[07:37:30] <rockworld> but the cname its something werid
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• 584[07:37:41] <karlpinc> ectospasm: Unless it's a mistake, in which case you wonder why the domain owner hasn't figured out that their IP numbers are not accessed, writing the abuse address will reach the very domain owner that's causing trouble.
• 585[07:38:16] <rockworld> weird sorry
• 586[07:38:27] <ectospasm> You could reach the abuse address of the DNS server that has the bogus CNAME. Not much else rockworld can do.
• 587[07:39:37] <rockworld> do you think they can steal information like that
• 588[07:39:46] <ectospasm> I don't believe so, no.
• 589[07:39:59] <rockworld> I mean password and stuff without ssl
• 590[07:40:12] <ectospasm> you connect to your sites using TLS/SSL?
• 591[07:40:25] <rockworld> some of them are not configured yet
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• 593[07:41:02] <ectospasm> As long as you don't transmit passwords to your sites in cleartext (HTTP instead of HTTPS), you should be OK.
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• 595[07:42:17] <rockworld> so I think I should just create a script in apache to fix this
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• 597[07:42:35] <rockworld> but I dont know what change I need to do in my configuration
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• 599[07:44:13] <karlpinc> rockworld: You don't use <VirtualHost *>, but instead name your domain expclictly. And refuse http 1.0 requests. IIRC.
• 600[07:44:19] <ectospasm> I haven't used apache in a long time, but you could set up a separate site/SNI file for the bogus doamin, display a 404 or a 5xx or something when you load the bogus domain in a web browser.
• 601[07:45:05] <ectospasm> So I think that would be a <VirtualHost xanga.net> or something similar.
• 602[07:45:30] <rockworld> I should not have this configuration if I find that thing that means Im hacked
• 603[07:45:37] <rockworld> lolll
• 604[07:45:44] <karlpinc> Dunno. Sounds like making your server do extra work to put up a custom 404 page instead of just not recognizing the request.
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• 606[07:48:04] <ectospasm> I'm not sure if apache would serve a default website if the requested domain doesn't match one of the SNI virtual hosts.
• 607[07:48:35] <ectospasm> I think it can be configured to, but I haven't played with apache in so long.
• 608[07:50:48] <rockworld> I think I should remove the default conf from /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ?
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• 611[07:53:21] <rockworld> this files I mean
• 612[07:53:22] <rockworld> xanga.net
• 613[07:53:27] <rockworld> oups nah sorry
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• 615[07:53:42] <rockworld> 000-default.conf
• 616[07:54:36] <karlpinc> rockworld: Does not matter what's in sites-available, what matters is what's in sites-enabled.
• 617[07:54:56] <rockworld> true you are right
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• 619[07:56:02] <rockworld> I use something like <VirtualHost mydomain.com:80>
• 620[07:56:09] <rockworld> in every sites configuration
• 621[07:56:45] <karlpinc> rockworld: Then requests to another domain will get a 404.
• 622[07:56:55] <karlpinc> (Unless they are http 1.0)
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• 624[07:57:48] <karlpinc> If I'm remembering my http.
• 625[07:58:12] <rockworld> how can I refuse http 1.0 requests
• 626[07:58:22] <rockworld> I can see which sites its pointing too
• 627[07:58:59] <rockworld> but that was just a random template I used not sure which version of http they use
• 628[07:59:47] <rockworld> its been a while I didnt played in that too Im lost :p
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• 638[08:21:57] <McErroneous> How do i use the Tags (use::monitor) with "apt-cache search <Packetname>"
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• 641[08:24:21] <themill> "debtags search" (or use aptitude)
• 642[08:27:05] <McErroneous> themill: thank you..
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• 700[10:21:23] <tomboy64> i'm currently on an (ancient) debian 9 and trying to find the tool xfs_check
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• 702[10:21:43] <tomboy64> google says it's supposed to be in xfsprogs
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• 704[10:21:51] <tomboy64> but all i can find is xfs_ncheck there
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• 710[10:26:11] <ratrace> tomboy64: xfs_ncheck is in xfsprogs
• 711[10:26:21] <ratrace> that's tall tehere is for xfs + check in packages
• 712[10:26:26] <ratrace> *all *there
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• 715[10:29:46] <tomboy64> yeah. after installing man it referred me to xfs_repair for that particular debian version
• 716[10:30:07] <tomboy64> man, i'll celebrate when i finally got this migrated to a newer debian
• 717[10:31:22] <McErroneous> I am wondering if "apt-get --assume-yes" is working , man-pages says it would reply YES, to any prompt..., but i am still prompted... . "After this operation xxxxxkb additional diskspace will be used, Do you want to continue [Y/n]
• 718[10:33:44] <McErroneous> hmmm..., maybe iam wrong...,
• 719[10:33:50] <McErroneous> i did a mistake..
• 720[10:33:53] <McErroneous> sorry
• 721[10:34:31] <McErroneous> nvm..
• 722[10:35:09] <tomboy64> btw, thanks for checking ratrace :)
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• 743[10:58:52] <codeworm> My python setup got messed up. I need some help. I can't solve the problem at #python. (Debian packaging etc)
• 744[11:00:47] <McErroneous> themill: How would i search for all packages that have a "implemented-in::perl" tag , please.. ?
• 745[11:01:55] <McErroneous> or "implemented-in::c"...
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• 747[11:03:46] <McErroneous> tomboy64: i have xfs_check installed.., i found it by xfs_<tab-completion>..., i used xfs as default filesystem..
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• 757[11:19:35] <EdePopede> McErroneous: debtags search '$tag1 && $tag2 && ....' ## is the general syntax to not be flooded ;)
• 758[11:20:05] <EdePopede> you may not want to use only somehthing as broad as "implemented-in::..."
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• 760[11:22:17] <ratrace> !tell codeworm about ask
• 761[11:23:18] <codeworm> Hey
• 762[11:23:41] <codeworm> Well, I'm not using Debian specifically. It is Debian-based though. I'm using Lubuntu.
• 763[11:24:00] <codeworm> Which to my knowledge is directly based on Debian right now.
• 764[11:24:08] <nkuttler> !lubuntu
• 765[11:24:08] <dpkg> Lubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with <LXDE>. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 766[11:24:15] <EdePopede> !based on
• 767[11:24:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 770[11:24:41] <EdePopede> that's the poin, $someone_else may gave done arbitrary changes
• 771[11:24:41] <codeworm> Well, it's a Debian problem though
• 772[11:24:44] <ratrace> it's not
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• 774[11:24:56] <McErroneous> EdePopede: do i need to do a "debtag -update" or similar.., because "debtag search <expression> only shows me tags,, , but no packages...
• 775[11:25:00] <EdePopede> codeworm: did you also have the same problem on debian?
• 776[11:25:38] <codeworm> EdePopede: Never tried that really. But Debian has special package rules for Python that exists on this Lubuntu system.
• 777[11:26:17] <EdePopede> McErroneous: did you use actual tags? just ran it without tags, seems to list ALL packages it know aboug :D
• 778[11:26:35] <ratrace> codeworm: please read the !based on factoid EdePopede showed above, especially the part about derivative modifications we don't know about.
• 779[11:26:49] <ratrace> codeworm: but you can describe your problem and we'll see if that exists on debian
• 780[11:26:54] <EdePopede> codeworm: may me the reason, may be that it's what Lubuntu does in a different way
• 781[11:27:16] <codeworm> I understand
• 782[11:27:24] <codeworm> but I need some pointers really
• 783[11:27:42] <codeworm> My problem is that I have messed up the pip package manager somehow
• 784[11:27:46] <nkuttler> codeworm: /msg alis list *lubuntu*
• 785[11:28:40] <ratrace> codeworm: ran pip as root?
• 786[11:28:53] <EdePopede> codeworm: if something is TOTALLY messed up and it's not crucial i usually purge everything, check that nothing is left (including configs in $HOME) and then restart
• 787[11:29:23] <codeworm> EdePopede: That's what I need to know. Can I safely remove virtualenv directories from $HOME?
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• 791[11:30:21] <codeworm> To my knowledge, it is safe to remove. Although I don't understand why it is messed up, because I have removed any $HOME virtualenv directories from PATH
• 792[11:30:36] <EdePopede> codeworm: don't remove, rename. (includes to move them away into a backup directory)
• 793[11:31:00] <ratrace> codeworm: ran pip as root?
• 794[11:31:26] <codeworm> Well, I've done so many things that I'm not even sure if the setup will ever get in working shape again.
• 795[11:31:37] <codeworm> ratrace: Yeah, I think so.
• 796[11:31:44] <codeworm> I've also tried to remove pip and reinstall it.
• 797[11:31:54] <EdePopede> i once tried such an environment, may even have been pip. after installation and login i had A LOT of new entries in my env and some directory belonging to it in my HOME. which means it wasn't there before, so it got created at login or first run.
• 798[11:31:57] <codeworm> Verified it got installed in /usr/local/bin
• 799[11:32:28] <EdePopede> at least they don't mess with /usr/bin
• 800[11:32:32] <codeworm> well, I tried to learn Python somewhere in 2019
• 801[11:32:41] <codeworm> and I got it messed up
• 802[11:32:46] <codeworm> then I gave up on it
• 803[11:33:02] <codeworm> My system is pretty current. I've just ran upgrade.
• 804[11:33:30] <codeworm> Well, I believe the best move here is to do a fresh install
• 805[11:33:36] <codeworm> Maybe install Debian
• 806[11:33:37] <ratrace> codeworm: if you ran pip as root, you probably borked some/many/all your python packages. there's no clear answer how to fix that except to reinstall ALL python packages on the system
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• 808[11:34:06] <codeworm> ratrace: I think I've tried to update pip or something
• 809[11:34:08] <ratrace> virtualenvs can be safely deleted or removed, they're little "container" like encapsulations and cannot bork the system. if pip is broken inside one, remove it, rebuilt it
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• 811[11:34:23] <ratrace> *rebuild
• 812[11:34:27] <codeworm> I don't really know where pip is running from
• 813[11:34:33] <ratrace> `which pip`
• 814[11:34:51] <codeworm> I don't think this really shows where it is running from, does it?
• 815[11:35:04] <codeworm> /usr/local/bin/pip
• 816[11:35:05] <ratrace> it does
• 817[11:35:16] <codeworm> Well, it doesn't seem to work with that version of pip
• 818[11:35:30] <codeworm> Because I've just updated it
• 819[11:35:35] <codeworm> and it still gives me problems
• 820[11:35:38] <ratrace> which relies on PATH. so depending on what contents and precedences are in PATH at any given moment (Eg, root vs unpriv user), it will show which one runs
• 821[11:35:54] <ratrace> /usr/local/bin is not a path Debian would ever choose. also not a virtualenv. guess that's something specific to lubuntu
• 822[11:35:58] <codeworm> I have a default PATH variable
• 823[11:36:06] <codeworm> only addition to it is my ~/bin
• 824[11:36:15] <codeworm> that is where I place my own scripts
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• 826[11:36:26] <codeworm> I have removed anything from Python
• 827[11:36:34] <codeworm> s/anything/everything/
• 828[11:36:54] <codeworm> I mean from the PATH variable
• 829[11:38:17] <codeworm> I've also messed up my apache setup due to Debian special config structure.
• 830[11:38:36] <codeworm> Is there any document explaining all this admin/configuration related changes on the Debian system?
• 831[11:38:42] <ratrace> codeworm: "debian special config structure"?
• 832[11:38:54] <codeworm> I've only get to learn about a problem just after I fuc*k up.
• 833[11:39:14] <codeworm> Yeah the sites-available, sites-enabled etc
• 834[11:39:22] <codeworm> for the virtual hosts
• 835[11:39:33] <codeworm> Right now I get permission denied
• 836[11:39:37] <codeworm> for every request
• 837[11:39:44] <codeworm> but well, that's not the problem really
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• 839[11:39:51] <ratrace> well that's just a convention. you're NOT obliged to use that pattern
• 840[11:40:06] <codeworm> Well, I tried to use it and I read a lot about it.
• 841[11:40:12] <ratrace> you can remove includes in the main httpd.conf or whatsitcalled, and include from wherever you want
• 842[11:40:17] <codeworm> I've also followed a lengthy tutorial on digitalocean
• 843[11:40:27] <codeworm> and well, I messed that up as well
• 844[11:41:12] <ratrace> Welp... gotta solve one problem at a time. for pip, if it runs from /usr/local/... it's likely you have some locally custom setup unless lubuntu installs there. Debian packages NEVER install under /usr/local
• 845[11:41:19] <codeworm> Is there any document we can actually read about this configuration differences?
• 846[11:41:35] <ratrace> meaning, if that was DEbian, you could remove it safely and use system pip ... actually ... not use pip OUTSIDE of a venv AT ALL.
• 847[11:41:48] <codeworm> I mean something central, listing all the services or something
• 848[11:41:53] <ratrace> especially not as root, and not as unpriv user either. pip inside virtualenvs ONLY, for cleanest system.
• 849[11:42:13] <codeworm> How do I know that beforehand?
• 850[11:42:16] <ratrace> codeworm: configuration differences between what?
• 851[11:42:25] <codeworm> Between Debian and other distros
• 852[11:42:32] <ratrace> codeworm: I don't know. :) on FreeBSD we patched pip so it refuses to run as root
• 853[11:42:39] <codeworm> You only get to know a problem exists when it's too late.
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• 855[11:42:51] <codeworm> Cool stuff
• 856[11:42:52] <ratrace> codeworm: you should ask that specific distro for what differences they did. we don't know. we don't CARE . :)
• 857[11:42:56] <codeworm> FreeBSD is the best
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• 859[11:43:15] <ratrace> FreeBSD sucks hairy donkey balls, but that pip patch was awesome, yes. :)
• 860[11:43:32] <ratrace> should check if that patch is in Debian too, and if not, file a PR
• 861[11:43:45] <codeworm> FreeBSD is awesome
• 862[11:43:50] <codeworm> runs forever
• 863[11:44:04] <codeworm> I believe you can rm -rf / and it may still run somehow :p
• 864[11:44:13] <ratrace> I used to be FreeBSD ports committer and maintainer. it sucks :)
• 865[11:44:53] <codeworm> I would be interested in your opinion. But that's off-topic. If you want we can talk in private.
• 866[11:45:10] <ratrace> nah, but yeh, 'tis offtopic :)
• 867[11:46:17] <codeworm> Nobody seems to like talking privately huh? ;p
• 868[11:46:24] <codeworm> Not sure why is that
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• 870[11:48:44] <wintersky> what makes you so happy
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• 872[11:54:23] <codeworm> So ratrace, in FreeBSD (I haven't used it years) works the same way Debian does for Python?
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• 875[11:55:07] <codeworm> i.e using environments instead of the main python packages?
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• 878[11:56:11] <ratrace> codeworm: that part is actually distro and OS agnostic. if there are system packages (installed by distro's packaging system), then a rogue pip run will clobber that if it can write there, and it can if it runs as root
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• 880[11:57:27] <ratrace> the problem is collision of package managers, and the fact that python installs typically into system's /usr[/local]/lib/python*
• 881[11:57:35] <codeworm> Not sure what I've done in 2019
• 882[11:57:44] <codeworm> But I think I've tried to update pip for some reason
• 883[11:58:39] <codeworm> So, it is the recommended practice to use environment in all distros and operating systems.
• 884[11:58:49] <codeworm> environments*
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• 886[11:59:03] <codeworm> not something that happens specifically in Debian
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• 888[11:59:23] <codeworm> Well, you learn this stuff after you get everything messed up.
• 889[11:59:32] <codeworm> I guess that's the way it is.
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• 891[12:00:02] <codeworm> Then you fear to update anything.
• 892[12:00:23] <codeworm> or maybe fear to touch anything at all.
• 893[12:01:58] <codeworm> Then maybe you try Arch Linux, you keep the 'no update' strategy and you f*ck up there as well.
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• 895[12:03:02] <codeworm> Only FreeBSD worked with the no update strategy lol.
• 896[12:03:29] <ratrace> the same issue would've happen on FreeBSD before the pip patch
• 897[12:04:07] <ratrace> infact .... I don't recall if it refused or just complained with a big warning. I think it was teh latter.
• 898[12:05:00] <codeworm> I seriously try to learn as much as I can. I go by the documentation, the man pages... every time something gets messed up.
• 899[12:05:12] <codeworm> Not sure why it happens. Probably due to my bad luck or something.
• 900[12:05:55] <codeworm> I've also had a big fight with setting up node.js as well.
• 901[12:06:06] <codeworm> oh man. what a disaster.
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• 903[12:06:28] <codeworm> not really sure how I finally got it configured
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• 905[12:06:50] <codeworm> and it works like magic now. Hopefully it will stay that way for a while.
• 906[12:06:52] <ratrace> many things are unobvious and counter intuitive in *NIX world. many things are POLA violations.
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• 911[12:08:07] <codeworm> What does POLA stand for?
• 912[12:08:08] <ratrace> despite ubuntu and friends trying to bring linux to your nearby grandma, Linux IS and will always be, by developers, for developers, an expert system.
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• 914[12:08:13] <ratrace> Principle of Least Astonishment
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• 916[12:08:47] <codeworm> I'm a developer as well. Not a very expert one.
• 917[12:08:51] <codeworm> but I write code
• 918[12:09:17] <codeworm> I also use Linux for 13 years now
• 919[12:09:24] <codeworm> Yet I understand shit
• 920[12:09:30] <codeworm> and I've tried to learn it
• 921[12:09:40] <codeworm> maybe not tried much, who knows
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• 923[12:10:27] <codeworm> maybe I have to try a little bit harder from now on.
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• 939[13:03:10] <McErroneous> i am looking for some packs of Midi-files i could download using wget...,
• 940[13:03:36] <McErroneous> please feel free to message me...
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• 979[13:58:53] <useretail> hi, is there a way to execute bash script after specific package gets upgraded via apt upgrade
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• 985[14:02:31] <abrotman> useretail: in a package you're creating?
• 986[14:03:05] <useretail> abrotman, no it's from 3rd party repo
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• 988[14:06:04] <useretail> i know that i can do it in a package with post script, but how can one do it when getting from 3rd party repo
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• 990[14:07:39] <jelly> useretail, a DPkg::Post-Invoke hook in apt.conf would get run after _every_ dpkg installation
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• 993[14:08:36] <jelly> so presumably there's a way to check there which package was being managed and whether it was being installed or upgraded, and act only in that case
• 994[14:08:46] <jelly> s/presumably/maybe/
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• 996[14:09:04] <jelly> evil peer!
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• 1002[14:10:02] <useretail> jelly, is it valid when upgrading via apt as well?
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• 1016[14:24:13] <useretail> looks like i found solution here: replaced-url
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• 1025[14:28:58] <ratrace> useretail: or even simpler, wrap your apt-get commands. apt-get update; OUT=$( apt-get -s upgrade ) ; grep your package name from $OUT ; proceed with apt-upgrade (interactively or not) ; if your package was found in two steps earlier: do your desired action
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• 1029[14:33:59] <useretail> ratrace, thanks, but this might fail if a package needs re-config
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• 1032[14:34:33] <ratrace> useretail: why would it?
• 1033[14:34:53] <ratrace> this can run perfectly fine in a (console-)interactive session
• 1034[14:35:30] <useretail> ok, i'll try it
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• 1040[14:41:08] <abrotman> maybe we should have asked which package it is, might have been a better way
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• 1051[14:50:25] <McErroneous> may i post an offtopic question ?
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• 1053[14:50:32] <ratrace> nope.
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• 1055[14:52:06] <jelly> those askubuntu answers are very nice, thanks. Looks like version 2 / version 3 dpkg hooks provide enough info to run stuff only on specific package configure step
• 1056[14:53:49] <jelly> McErroneous, if it's a tech support question, we can try to point you to a better place to find answers
• 1057[14:54:11] <jelly> if it's not tech support, we have #debian-offtopic
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• 1067[15:04:04] <shtrb> Is there a way to use my GPU to encode video with ffmpeg to vp9 (I have the propitiate nvidia packages installed)
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• 1069[15:04:49] <ratrace> shtrb: maybe? replaced-url
• 1070[15:05:13] * shtrb facepalm
• 1071[15:05:17] <shtrb> thanks ratrace as usual
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• 1073[15:06:00] <shtrb> I was trying ffmpeg -hwaccel_device 0 -hwaccel cuvid -i file.MOV -c:v vp9
• 1074[15:06:38] <lt> inastalled and apt upgrade gave me this kind of initramfs-tools warning .. replaced-url
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• 1076[15:07:11] <jelly> nvidia does vdpau not vaapi
• 1077[15:07:11] <ratrace> shtrb: btw.... you actually want VDPAU for nvidia. nvidia + VAAPI is a nope still
• 1078[15:08:30] <jelly> shtrb, I think they also have a separate API for encoding, keyword nvenc
• 1079[15:08:45] <jelly> vdpau is decoding and displaying
• 1080[15:08:57] <ratrace> good point
• 1081[15:09:23] <McErroneous> is there a way in debian-APT to always install the documentation for packet automatically , along with the packets specified by "apt-get install <packetname>" ?
• 1082[15:09:26] <shtrb> thanks jelly
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• 1084[15:10:05] <jelly> replaced-url
• 1085[15:10:18] <ratrace> lt: you might need to install firmware-misc-nonfree, for intel gpu firmware
• 1086[15:10:19] <jelly> ,v ffmpeg
• 1087[15:10:21] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- stretch: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7:4.1.6-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1; sid: 7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1; experimental: 7:4.4-1; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.1.6-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 10:4.3.2-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 10:4.3.2-dmo4
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• 1089[15:10:39] <jelly> ^ one of the reasons deb-multimedia might still be useful
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• 1092[15:11:41] <shtrb> I think I also needed the sdk for nvenc
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• 1113[15:24:25] <lt> ty ratrace
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• 1115[15:25:38] <jelly> shtrb, nvidia's own docs say nothing about VP9 ENcoding, only decoding replaced-url
• 1116[15:25:54] <shtrb> oh isn't that great
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• 1118[15:25:55] <shtrb> thanks
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• 1129[15:43:08] <hejux> see if i have a program listening at 0:80, is there a way to brute force removing the listening?
• 1130[15:43:33] <cws> hejux: ss -plnt will just tell you what process is listening on that port.
• 1131[15:43:59] <shtrb> hejux, you can kill the process if that is what you like
• 1132[15:44:00] <hejux> yeah , nginx, how can i force remove the listening?
• 1133[15:44:07] <hejux> not from the program?
• 1134[15:44:10] <cws> hejux: You would stop nginx.
• 1135[15:44:14] <cws> Obviously.
• 1136[15:44:21] <hejux> is there other way?
• 1137[15:44:21] <shtrb> hejux, stop nginx and edit the listening ports
• 1138[15:44:24] <cws> No.
• 1139[15:44:32] <cws> If nginx is bound to the port, stop nginx.
• 1140[15:44:33] <shtrb> yes, to change the listening port of nginx
• 1141[15:44:48] <cws> shtrb: Which requires stopping/restarting nginx.
• 1142[15:45:06] <hejux> yeah, i know i could sed 's/80/81/g' nginx.conf and reload nginx
• 1143[15:45:08] <shtrb> cws: "<shtrb> hejux, stop nginx and edit the listening ports"
• 1144[15:45:16] <cws> hejux: And that's how you'd do it, up.
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• 1146[15:45:18] <cws> yup.
• 1147[15:45:21] <hejux> but i wonder if there is a better way
• 1148[15:45:24] <cws> No.
• 1149[15:45:27] <cws> That's how you do it.
• 1150[15:45:31] <cws> shtrb: Missed that, sorry.
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• 1153[15:46:12] <shtrb> That is the better way, you shouldn't be running two apps needing the same port on ALL ips, you could also set nginx to listen to a specific ip and your app to listen on a different ip
• 1154[15:46:23] <hejux> do not need to stop, just edit and reload
• 1155[15:46:26] <shtrb> cws, all is good
• 1156[15:47:00] <cws> hejux: That stops and restarts nginx, as we said previously.
• 1157[15:47:30] <hejux> so, i was tring to reinvent certbot standalone.
• 1158[15:47:44] <cws> Which is silly, because it already exists, and also has an nginx plugin.
• 1159[15:47:55] <hejux> pre-hook, remove the 80 listening , post-hook restore the 80
• 1160[15:48:12] <hejux> so i don't have down times on 443
• 1161[15:48:35] <cws> See what I just said.
• 1162[15:48:45] <cws> certbot already has an nginx plugin.
• 1163[15:50:18] <hejux> ok
• 1164[15:50:30] <McErroneous> may i install gnu-fdisk..., additionally to the default linux fdisk onto the hdd, or would "apt-get install gnu-fdisk" replace the older linux fdisk ? would i notice any difference using it ?
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• 1169[15:55:57] <McErroneous> !date
• 1170[15:55:57] <dpkg> The current date is 2021.04.25 13:55:57 (UTC of course, this is *NIX)
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• 1192[16:26:06] <jelly> McErroneous, is gnu fdisk even packaged at all?
• 1193[16:26:34] <jelly> McErroneous, removed from debian in 2017 replaced-url
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• 1205[16:43:44] <hejux> cws: i did it replaced-url
• 1206[16:44:02] <hejux> works fine, without stoping nginx:443
• 1207[16:44:12] <cws> hejux: Okay. The certbot nginx plugin already does that.
• 1208[16:44:22] <cws> Which was said multiple times.
• 1209[16:45:03] <hejux> really? i don't know how the plugin works
• 1210[16:45:12] <hejux> no readme about the plugin
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• 1257[17:45:33] <bancroft> if I want to cache packages locally, so that when I run ansible I grab them from a closer machine and not bother the mirrors. How would I do this? where do I start?
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• 1265[17:51:58] <john_rambo> Is the virtualbox guest additions available in repos ? Can I install it from the repos instead of installing it externally from VirtualBox?
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• 1267[17:54:16] <nkuttler> john_rambo: apt search guest additions
• 1268[17:54:20] <nkuttler> !tell john_rambo about search
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• 1271[17:57:09] <ratrace> bancroft: why not run an apt cacher instead?
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• 1274[17:58:23] <bancroft> ratrace: I dont know what that is besides what I can guess from the name
• 1275[17:59:02] <ratrace> bancroft: replaced-url
• 1276[17:59:12] <ratrace> basically, apt proxy with a cache
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• 1280[18:01:10] <fakuve> Hi Peoples , you know how to activate the sharing clipboard functionality with `KVM` As far as I know I have to install in the guest `apt install spice-client-gtk`
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• 1282[18:01:23] <fakuve> but I remember I needed to start the service somehow
• 1283[18:01:41] <fakuve> I cant recall . Maybe initiating it through .xinitrc
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• 1301[18:20:05] <jhutchins> !local mirror
• 1302[18:20:15] <jhutchins> Hm...
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• 1319[18:49:05] <McErroneous> Any ideas on how to cause an external usb-hdd, to appear again ? blkid , doesnt show it anymore... any hints ?
• 1320[18:49:22] <McErroneous> dont want to reboot..
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• 1326[18:56:17] <cosimone> anyone know if this was already backported? replaced-url
• 1327[18:56:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1375[19:58:32] <McErroneous> Hi.., using Debian Squeeze.., and i need to install mkisofs...,, , but it appears that it would not be in the repo..., , any recommendation on where to get it , and how to install it ?
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• 1377[19:59:57] <sney> !squeeze sources.list
• 1378[19:59:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1379[20:00:00] <oxek> McErroneous: any reason to use that compared to xorriso?
• 1380[20:00:31] <oxek> cosimone: not backported yet.
• 1381[20:00:51] <McErroneous> oxek: not sure.., thanks for pointing me to xorriso.., i read about mkisofs...,
• 1382[20:00:52] <oxek> mpv in general would be a nice candidate for backports overall, maybe try contacting the debian maintainer?
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• 1384[20:01:41] <oxek> McErroneous: xorrisofs is the exact command you're looking for, from the xorriso package
• 1385[20:01:54] <oxek> "xorrisofs - Emulation of ISO 9660 program mkisofs by program xorriso"
• 1386[20:02:01] <sney> it doesn't look like xorriso is in squeeze.
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• 1389[20:02:18] <oxek> oh my bad then
• 1390[20:02:23] <oxek> squeeze is a bit too old
• 1391[20:02:30] <oxek> well, more than a bit
• 1392[20:02:40] <sney> indeed. hopefully making an iso is part of the plan to upgrade
• 1393[20:03:36] <sney> McErroneous: the message from dpkg above will help you configure sources.list to install packages on squeeze, then you can install whatever you need
• 1394[20:04:41] <McErroneous> it is available in Squeeze..
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• 1403[20:16:08] <forgotmynick> hello. on debian 10, i have multiple crons running for multiple users every minute. This causes a lot of entries like CRON[28341]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user ... how do I stop these?
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• 1411[20:20:20] <sn00p> how do you remove drm from firefox,it keeps crashing every time I play a video
• 1412[20:20:38] <abrotman> forgotmynick: how do you end cron from being logged? did you check /etc/rsyslog.conf
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• 1414[20:23:25] <cosimone> oxek: ok, i see
• 1415[20:24:14] <sn00p> how do I upgrade to debian 11?
• 1416[20:24:38] <oxek> sn00p: by asking in #debian-next on the OFTC IRC network
• 1417[20:24:55] <oxek> debian 11 is not released as stable yet
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• 1424[20:29:50] <forgotmynick> in rsyslog.conf, why do some paths begin with /var... and some with a hyphen -/var?
• 1425[20:30:16] <forgotmynick> never mind replaced-url
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• 1450[20:54:44] <LameName123> Hello! I am struggling with davmail at the moment. It says it can't find "libawt_xawt.so" which should be installed as part of the openjdk-11-jre-headless package but the file isn't there. I tried reinstalling it and installing this package on different vms but the file is missing there as well. It was working before the last openjdk-11 security update afaik. Does anybody know how I could fix this issue?
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• 1457[21:06:55] <dob1> ,v notmuch
• 1458[21:06:56] <judd> Package: notmuch on amd64 -- jessie: 0.18.2-1; stretch: 0.23.7-3; stretch-backports: 0.28.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.28.4-1; buster-backports: 0.31.2-3~bpo10+2; bullseye: 0.31.4-1; sid: 0.31.4-1; experimental: 0.32~rc1-1
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• 1478[21:35:08] <karlpinc> LameName123: apt-file says the file is in openjdk-11-jre-headless... openjdk-11-jre-headless: /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-amd64/lib/libawt_xawt.so
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• 1480[21:36:51] <LameName123> karlpinc, yeah I know. I found out that it was part of this package by using apt-file. But openjdk-11-jre-headless is installed and the file is still missing and I don't know why... It doesn't seem to matter where I install it, the file is still missing even tho it should be there.
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• 1485[21:39:32] <LameName123> I'd highly appreciate it, if somebody installed this package and told me if this file gets installed or not. I'm really running out of ideas now.
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• 1487[21:42:09] <sney> LameName123: there's a mention of the libawt_xawt file being moved in the changelog, replaced-url
• 1488[21:44:57] <sney> and yep, just installed that package on a buster vm and libawt_xawt.so is indeed missing, along with libjawt.so as mentioned in the changelog entry
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• 1490[21:45:34] <craigevil> LastName123, it is installed here, /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-arm64/lib/libawt_xawt.so, but I am on sid
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• 1492[21:45:59] <LameName123> sney, thank you very much for your help! I am using buster as well. Do you have any idea how I could fix this now?
• 1493[21:46:13] <urk> Would anyone know how to shut off the keyring that appears when launching Chrome?
• 1494[21:46:20] <LameName123> Should I report this issue somewhere or is someone of you going to do that now anyway?
• 1495[21:46:30] <urk> I don't recall this problem happening with other distributions.
• 1496[21:46:50] <sney> LameName123: from the bug cited in the file being moved, I wonder if it's in the openjdk-11-jre package instead, non-headless
• 1497[21:47:29] <craigevil> that's what apt-file shows
• 1498[21:47:31] <craigevil> openjdk-11-jre: /usr/lib/jvm/java-11-openjdk-arm64/lib/libawt_xawt.so
• 1499[21:47:31] <jhutchins> urk: It's something Google has been messing with. There have been ways to keep it from asking for the password - seems like one is to set a blank password, but I've lost those directions.
• 1500[21:47:42] <sney> craigevil: on sid though?
• 1501[21:47:49] <craigevil> yes
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• 1504[21:48:23] <craigevil> apt-file only shows it in headless for 15
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• 1506[21:49:06] <urk> jhutchins: Just found some instructions here so I will check it out replaced-url
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• 1509[21:50:09] <oxek> urk: remove all saved passwords in chrome
• 1510[21:50:10] <sney> LameName123: remove it, temporarily disable buster-security, and install the package from buster instead. you'll be lacking a few security fixes but you said it was working before the update, right?
• 1511[21:50:29] <urk> oxek: I do not have any saved passwords in chrome
• 1512[21:50:31] <LameName123> Well, I'm not sure if it's now part of openjdk-11-jre but it sure does get installed if you install this package. But the file doesn't get listed as part of the package. Very weird.
• 1513[21:50:32] <jhutchins> It's currently using my shell password, so I just gave up and went with it. I do use chrome's sharing features.
• 1514[21:50:46] <urk> Chrome keyring is a nuisance
• 1515[21:50:52] <sney> LameName123: then file a bug against the package about the file missing. make sure to note that even though the package *contents* claim the file is there, and show up in apt-file output, it is not actually contained in openjdk-11-jre-headless
• 1516[21:51:10] <oxek> the contents.gz has not been updated, that's all
• 1517[21:51:15] <LameName123> sney, yeah, it was working before. Not really comfortable using a vulnerable package tho. Might just install the other package manually.
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• 1520[21:52:06] <sney> the specific security fixes are listed in replaced-url
• 1521[21:52:35] <jmcnaught> If Chrome is using the GNOME keyring then it can be unlocked automatically at login with libpam-gnome-keyring… might require also using GDM
• 1522[21:52:54] <LameName123> sney, ok, I will report it for the openjdk-11-jre-headless package then. thank you for your support!
• 1523[21:53:03] <sney> np
• 1524[21:53:15] <LameName123> and thank you to the other people that helped as well. :)
• 1525[21:54:13] <jhutchins> Does java have a common git repository?
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• 1529[21:55:42] <sney> I see replaced-url
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• 1556[22:26:22] <alexrelis[m]> I have this process called kworker/0:0-kacpi_notify taking up exxactly 10% of my CPU. How can I stop it from doing that?
• 1557[22:26:34] <alexrelis[m]> Killing the process doesn't get me anywhere.
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• 1562[22:29:06] <peskybird> Can you actually kill the process?
• 1563[22:29:11] <jhutchins> alexrelis[m]: The part of the Kernel/OS, if you get rid of it the system doesn't run any more.
• 1564[22:29:43] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird: I used pkill -9 pid as root like a boss. Stupid idea, I know.
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• 1567[22:30:24] <jhutchins> You could try booting with the -noacpi switch, but that might have unintended side effects.
• 1568[22:30:53] <peskybird> As jhutchins stated, it sounds like a kernal or bios process... The law of unintended consequences might give you some tech gremlins if you kill the process.
• 1569[22:31:47] <jhutchins> !acpi
• 1570[22:31:47] <dpkg> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see replaced-url
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• 1573[22:32:27] <peskybird> alex, try grep . -r /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/ to see if kacpi_notify is trying to tell you something.
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• 1576[22:34:06] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird: replaced-url
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• 1578[22:34:24] <alexrelis[m]> It's telling me that acpi has gone mask off.
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• 1585[22:42:45] <peskybird> alex, try echo "disable" | sudo tee /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe69
• 1586[22:42:57] <peskybird> Let us know if your cpu usage drops.
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• 1588[22:43:47] <alexrelis[m]> peskybird: That did it!
• 1589[22:43:55] <alexrelis[m]> You're a lifesaver!
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• 1592[22:45:36] <alexrelis[m]> Honestly, rebooting would've probably fixed the issue, but I'm studying to be a good GNU/Linux administrator, so I try my best to never reboot my machine just because there's an issue that I don't know how to fix.
• 1593[22:46:56] <peskybird> Excellent! Keep that command handy though to disable other bothersome interrupts.
• 1594[22:47:20] <peskybird> Additionally, WHEN you reboot, it's going to revert back to the way it was...
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• 1597[22:48:00] <peskybird> The semi-permanent solution would be to throw a startup script on your machine that disables your troublesome interrupts.
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• 1641[23:37:46] <jhutchins> peskybird: Or just -noapci in grub defaults.
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• 1643[23:38:16] <peskybird> That's a good one too jhutchins!
• 1644[23:38:43] <jhutchins> It's still an open question why power control appeared to be using 10% of cpu.
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• 1649[23:54:59] <alexrelis[m]> jhutchins: I want power management on my laptop though.
• 1650[23:55:04] <alexrelis[m]> And I think it truly was a one-off thing.
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• 1652[23:56:38] <alexrelis[m]> Last time we spoke, I was on a different laptop with a poorly implemented ACPI that froze after waking up from suspend and at random times. Now I'm using a System76 Galago with a more proper implementation.
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