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1 [00:01:24] <_-Jon-_> cws: Do you also frequent the #opnsense channel to? I swear I've seen you in there.
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4 [00:01:59] <jhutchins> _-Jon-_: Do you keep the connection up full time?
5 [00:02:18] <_-Jon-_> jhutchins: I do.
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7 [00:03:47] <jhutchins> I guess I'm lucky, I've had essentially static IPs unless the connection went down since the modem days.
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9 [00:05:00] <_-Jon-_> It's funny (or annoying) cause my IPv4 address remains the same for at least a year at a time, but IPv6 seems to behave differently.
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11 [00:06:45] <jhutchins> Yeah, a lot of people, myself included, don't really understand v6, including the ones maging ISPs.
12 [00:07:16] <cws> Most ISPs grossly misconfigure their IPv6 stuff.
13 [00:07:27] <jhutchins> You could just disable v6
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17 [00:10:49] <_-Jon-_> I want v6 though :P
18 [00:10:59] <_-Jon-_> cws: Understatement of the year eh
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44 [00:37:52] <ruied> jhutchins, ok! thanks
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73 [01:23:54] <Celmor[m]> I'm installing a package the binary of which purely runs on cli. for some reason it also installs a bunch of icon theme packages even though I'm not using a DE and now it's taking ages to install those
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76 [01:24:22] <nobody833[m]> @Celmor
77 [01:24:27] <nobody833[m]> Which package... oops
78 [01:24:51] <Celmor[m]> mtr
79 [01:24:59] <Celmor[m]> replaced-url
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81 [01:25:28] <incal> hello, I use nm-connection-editor to fill is some data then it says connection validates and can be saved but how do I save it?
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83 [01:26:01] <incal> to remove the window I can do ESC but then I can't ssh, seems it wasn't saved?
84 [01:26:02] <Celmor[m]> do I really always need --no-install-recommends?
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87 [01:27:53] <incal> I don't know if it is my resolution is too low, can't see the button? that simple? can I do it with a shell tool? TODO: 1) Ethernet connection, 2) remove enp4s0 from MAC, 3) set to shared, 4) SAVE
88 [01:28:10] <nobody833[m]> Celmor: no, you shouldn't. Although you could create an additional executable that runs the command with an alias so you don't have to type it out every time.
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91 [01:29:27] <Celmor[m]> so why is it installing that crap?
92 [01:29:31] <incal> maybe anyone can just launch the editor and see what number of TABS from where gets to the save button, or if there is a menu that doesn't show up for some reason??? this is killing me :(
93 [01:29:33] <incal> TIA
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97 [01:31:07] <incal> can you do this with nmcli, new Ethernet connection, set MAC only w/o the specific/temporary port, then connection type sharing?
98 [01:31:40] <incal> or perhaps just set this up in a file from $EDITOR?
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106 [01:47:23] <nobody833[m]> Celmor:
107 [01:47:27] <nobody833[m]> Because they are dependencies
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112 [01:51:40] <incal> ah, did it with nmcli
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121 [02:00:16] <Celmor[m]> nobody833: that's strange for a cli app to have GUI dependencies
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141 [02:38:09] <sney> Celmor[m]: mtr has a gtk frontend. if you want to install the non-gtk version, install the mtr-tiny package instead.
142 [02:38:29] <Celmor[m]> ah ok, thanks for the tip
143 [02:39:05] <sney> np.
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343 [08:09:28] <Heston> Is there any reason why a debian stretch installation would ever check the cdrom without any interaction from myself? Is it safe to assume ive been rooted?
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348 [08:15:44] <nkuttler> Heston: why do you suspect you've been rooted? git push --set-upstream origin nicolas
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350 [08:15:53] <nkuttler> oops
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352 [08:16:52] <Heston> why else would my cdrom check for a dis multiple times in a row without me specifically doing it?
353 [08:17:00] <Heston> disk*
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357 [08:19:26] <nkuttler> Heston: how do you know the cdrom checks?
358 [08:19:45] <Heston> it
359 [08:20:00] <Heston> it's a thinkpad and there's a light indicator and you can hear the motor
360 [08:20:27] <nkuttler> and there's a cd in the drive?
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362 [08:20:47] <Heston> there isn't
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502 [11:50:25] <cheche> Can I use debian as a router adding a network card?
503 [11:50:26] <br0kenpipe> Hi all, does anyone else have a bug with git? in curl 7.76 a bug was added regarding http2. unfortunately i can't do push/pulls with the current git version (2.29.2). Currently curl 7.74 is installed. The bug was fixed in 7.76.1. I think git was compiled with the wrong curl libraries? I am on buster with backports. The error message is "Failed
504 [11:50:26] <cheche> I want to setup a private network ( 192.168.1.0/24 ) and use debian box as their router 192.168.1.1. to allow forward traffict for the internet.
505 [11:50:26] <cheche> I have set ipv4 forward but the private network is unable to go outside (internet).
506 [11:50:26] <br0kenpipe> sending HTTP2 data".
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510 [11:52:21] <cheche> given that eth0 is the privet network card. ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 does not do any magic.
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512 [11:53:02] <ratrace> cheche: sure, debian has all the facilities to be a fully fledged router, wifi hotspot, firewall, gateway, ...
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515 [11:53:28] <ratrace> in fact it is used in that role a lot, being able to be rather minimalist and do as told.
516 [11:54:08] <ratrace> cheche: you're asking about a NAT, so you need to set up NAT'ing (SNAT in particular) via packet filter like iptables or nftables
517 [11:54:09] <cheche> ratrace: do you need to use iptables NAT for this setup?.
518 [11:54:23] <ratrace> yes
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520 [11:54:56] <cheche> I thought NAT is only used when isp route need to have several devices using same external ipv4 address.
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524 [11:55:41] <ratrace> cheche: you said you wanted to route 192.168/16 to the public internet? you need SNAT for that. 192.168/16 is not publicly routable
525 [11:56:19] <ratrace> you need DNAT if you want "port forwarding", ie. to translate <public_ip>:80 to <LAN_addres>:80
526 [11:56:26] <ratrace> %s/ie\./eg./
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529 [11:59:16] <cheche> ratrace: but there is already NAT on the ISP router. I thought that you could tell the debian box. Please for 192.168/24 just go on the eth0 interface.
530 [11:59:32] <cheche> (The main interface is br0)
531 [12:00:28] <ratrace> cheche: if your router is 192.168.1.1, what's the gateway IP ?
532 [12:00:33] <sigint> Your ISP router won't be able to do NAT on both networks
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534 [12:01:05] <cheche> the ISP router is 10.11.97.1
535 [12:01:22] <cheche> I want to setup a lab network on 192.168.0/24
536 [12:01:24] <ratrace> cheche: does the IPS router do SNAT from public internet to 192.168.0/24 or 192.168.1./24 ?
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538 [12:01:39] <ratrace> you used BOTH subnets in your questions interchangeably, so which one is it?
539 [12:02:20] <ratrace> and I meant SNAT _to_ internet _from_ 192....
540 [12:02:53] <ratrace> or in other words, which subnet is routable on the LAN side according to your ISP's router? and which subnet do you want to add under it?
541 [12:03:48] <cheche> the subnet that is route on the LAN is 10.11.97.0/24
542 [12:04:20] <cheche> I want to add another network on the second network card 192.168.0/24
543 [12:04:23] <ratrace> cheche: okay, and now you want to stick a debian box into that range, and have it gateway into 192.168.0.0/24 ?
544 [12:04:40] <ratrace> okay and for that you need a SNAT as well
545 [12:05:07] <ratrace> you need to NAT between 192.168.0/24 and 10.11.97/24, then your router NATs between 10.11.97/24 and public internet.
546 [12:05:37] <ratrace> note also that the ISP router will be oblivious to your 192.168.0/24 which exists only "under" your debian box 192.168 gateway
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548 [12:06:52] <cheche> ratrace: because the debian box keep track of the connexion using NAT table right?
549 [12:08:13] <th0r> cheche, that 10.11 network address sounds like the isp is using a class A network on the outside. Are you sure there isn't a 192.168 address also assigned to the isp router?
550 [12:08:13] <ratrace> it doesn't have to be stateful, and it can also NAT UDP packets
551 [12:08:26] <sigint> (At this point to avoid putting a NAT on top of another NAT, I would put the ISP router in "modem mode", and have another box be the one and only router NAT for all networks.)
552 [12:09:04] <ratrace> that requires pppoe and that's flakey with some ISPs hardware .... double NAT is not terrible
553 [12:09:38] <cheche> th0r: it was me how setup to allow VPN when I am outsde.
554 [12:09:48] <ratrace> but see which is more suitable, yeah. also that might not be what's wanted here, and a 192.168/16 separate network might be wanted
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557 [12:10:14] <sigint> ratrace, with CGNAT being more common nowadays this setup may actually be 3 layers of NAT...
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559 [12:10:48] <cheche> sigint: I tried to put ISP router on bridge mode. and I lose the phone connection!!!
560 [12:10:58] <ratrace> sigint: well.... and even that's not too terrible .... compared to having an ISP that does CGNAT :)
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564 [12:11:44] <sigint> ratrace, sometimes you don't have a choice. This is what I have at home :'(
565 [12:12:59] <cheche> sigint: callme dumb, but this should be fixed using ipv6 right?
566 [12:14:10] <sigint> cheche, bridge mode disables all router functionality of your ISP box. So you need to setup a router/NAT in advance if you want to go this way.
567 [12:14:46] <sigint> Personnally I think this is the best approach, but it requires doing your homework before switching the bridge mode on
568 [12:15:56] <sigint> ISP routers are often very limited, so disabling it and using a box you fully control is often more flexible.
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570 [12:16:29] <sigint> Since you want multiple networks, I'd say you need this flexibility but this is just an opinion
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572 [12:17:50] <sigint> The approach ratrace mentionned of using a double NAT will also work and may be easier to setup if you just want to try things
573 [12:19:29] <cheche> sigint: *agreed*
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583 [12:32:15] <jelly> ,v needrestart
584 [12:32:16] <judd> Package: needrestart on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.4-5~bpo9+1; buster: 3.4-5; bullseye: 3.5-2; sid: 3.5-4
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610 [13:02:25] <cheche> *works* just for the record:
611 [13:02:26] <cheche> -----------
612 [13:02:26] <cheche> /etc/ufw/before.rules
613 [13:02:26] <cheche> *nat
614 [13:02:26] <cheche> :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
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618 [13:03:00] <cheche> Oh! Sorry!
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621 [13:04:01] <cheche> I wanted to post my solution for the record. Thank you so much!.
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626 [13:07:16] <jelly> cheche, sometimes you need to ask the ISP if you want to use bridge mode, and sometimes you can ask to be removed from CGNAT
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634 [13:12:52] <regaloranium> hello!
635 [13:12:58] <wyoung> Hi
636 [13:13:10] <wyoung> How's your Debian today?
637 [13:13:22] <regaloranium> ^_^
638 [13:13:26] <regaloranium> good
639 [13:13:35] <regaloranium> but im cant use debian
640 [13:13:56] <wyoung> :O
641 [13:13:56] <regaloranium> because i have troubles whis video drivers
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643 [13:14:10] <wyoung> oh noes! What issues? You have a link to your bug report?
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645 [13:14:36] <ratrace> nan' des' ka?
646 [13:15:05] <wyoung> I wish I knew what you were talking about ratrace
647 [13:15:21] <regaloranium> this is not a bug, the system simply writes that dependencies are not satisfied = (
648 [13:16:12] <regaloranium> my video card is: Radeon R9 290
649 [13:16:26] <wyoung> regaloranium: Which manufactorure? Is it a Dell?
650 [13:16:36] <regaloranium> Sapphire
651 [13:16:48] <ratrace> regaloranium: can you pastebin the exact error message you're having, please?
652 [13:16:54] <ratrace> this smells of a frankendebian
653 [13:17:31] <wyoung> ratrace: Pastebin is great if you have shares in them, otehrwise use a pasting site that doesn't spam you with ads.
654 [13:17:42] <wyoung> like dpaste
655 [13:17:50] <regaloranium> ratrace: can`t because im install another distribution
656 [13:17:50] <wyoung> Or the one from the topic
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658 [13:18:07] <regaloranium> but i like debian
659 [13:18:42] <ratrace> regaloranium: so you're asking about something you can't even fix now?
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661 [13:19:22] <wyoung> regaloranium: Debian is great
662 [13:19:54] <regaloranium> ratrace:yes ... maybe I'll install it today
663 [13:20:00] <regaloranium> wyoung: yes
664 [13:21:06] <regaloranium> You can love him at least for the fact that you can install only what you need!
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666 [13:21:36] <regaloranium> this is so good
667 [13:21:50] <regaloranium> and apt cool to
668 [13:22:04] <regaloranium> need just wrire: apt install
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670 [13:22:49] <regaloranium> not write pacman -S EXAMPLE
671 [13:23:15] <regaloranium> this is wery good
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673 [13:24:04] <regaloranium> okay guys im go to install debian =))
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676 [13:27:13] <cheche> jelly: apparently on the Mitrastar GPT-2541GNAC distributed by Movistar here in Spain, you can delete the VLAN6 and put it on bridge mode. So the VOIP still managed by the router, and you can set a neutral router (with debian).
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687 [13:35:12] <jelly> cheche, that's probably typical, router gets separate VLANs for voice, for iptv, for internet traffic and for management if provider controls the equipment
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713 [14:02:50] <shtrb> Anyone have a clue what could break headset balance when I lower the audio in plasma-pa ?
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716 [14:03:26] <regaloranium1> test
717 [14:03:29] <shtrb> If I lower the value , it move audio to the right earpiece alone
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720 [14:04:47] <regaloranium> Hello!
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724 [14:10:12] <filePeter> My fresh Debian installation has a hard time displaying unicode emoji. Is there any kind of font you friends can recommend me I install?
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727 [14:13:52] <GNU\colossus> filePeter, try fonts-noto-color-emoji
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729 [14:15:53] <filePeter> GNU\colossus: thanks
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742 [14:24:30] <jiggawattz> 😱😱 😨 😨 😲😲
743 [14:24:30] <jiggawattz> 😱 😱 😨😨 😨😨 😲
744 [14:24:30] <jiggawattz> 😱 😱 😨 😨 😨 😲 😲😲
745 [14:24:30] <jiggawattz> 😱 😱 😨 😨 😲 😲
746 [14:24:31] <jiggawattz> 😱😱 😨 😨 😲😲
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748 [14:25:09] <filePeter> jiggawattz: lovely!
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751 [14:26:19] <wyoung> 1.21 jiggawattz
752 [14:27:27] <shtrb> At least it can be produced from recycled food.
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755 [14:28:07] <wyoung> shtrb: Mr fusion isn't real
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757 [14:29:38] <filePeter> 😍
758 [14:29:48] <filePeter> GNU\colossus: It works, thanks again.
759 [14:30:11] <EdePopede> shtrb: on a mechanic/electric level everything is fine? happens here too, but also when i max the volume out. have to stay slightly below 100%.
760 [14:31:25] <GNU\colossus> yw
761 [14:34:43] <shtrb> EdePopede, yes , when I inrease the sound all good , or when I click on balance output it goes to proper way
762 [14:34:49] <shtrb> *increase
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764 [14:35:22] <shtrb> wyoung, Doc was a special inventor
765 [14:35:37] <f-a> maybe half on topic but: if I create a pdf document — with, say, scribus — will the font get embedded? Or will I have painful font changes?
766 [14:35:46] <wyoung> shtrb: Doc didn't invent Mr Fusion.
767 [14:36:04] <wyoung> He bought that in the year 2015
768 [14:36:13] <wyoung> 6 yeasr ago
769 [14:36:15] <wyoung> years*
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771 [14:36:37] <shtrb> wyoung, doc was the one who put that into the Delorean
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773 [14:36:44] <shtrb> wyoung, replaced-url
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779 [14:37:38] <wyoung> shtrb: I was in the Southern Highlands 2 weeks ago and saw a DeLorean. The number plate was: MPH 88
780 [14:37:46] <shtrb> :)
781 [14:37:54] <jelly> f-a, that would be a setting in a decent pdf creator
782 [14:37:58] <wyoung> shtrb: He installed Mr Fusion but he didn't invent it
783 [14:38:27] <wyoung> shtrb: Doc invented the flux capacitor, that is all.
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785 [14:38:46] <wyoung> He didn;t invent the DeLorean, Putting a Corvette engine in a DeLorean or Mr Fusion
786 [14:38:55] <f-a> jelly: thanks, now to see if scribus does the decent thing :P
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796 [14:53:19] <shtrb> EdePopede, you got that issue also with plasma or some other tool ?
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798 [14:55:54] <cheche> f-a: Scribus allows to embed fonts replaced-url
799 [14:56:14] <f-a> thanks
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818 [15:16:18] <EdePopede> shtrb: strictly mechanical here, yours is definitely software related?
819 [15:17:01] <shtrb> yes, verified that if I use with xfce this issue does not exist
820 [15:17:10] <EdePopede> though... i had some volume changes while watching a stream in firefox, i should really check next time if something has changed in PA
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823 [15:17:38] <regaloranium> hello
824 [15:18:18] <wyoung> Hi
825 [15:18:37] <EdePopede> Mr. Fusion, Mr. Coffee, Mr. Radar. SF used to be a man's world in the 80s.
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827 [15:19:03] <wyoung> <3
828 [15:19:05] <regaloranium> how is apt different from apt-get?
829 [15:19:12] <wyoung> I was born in the 80s
830 [15:19:16] <jelly> by about "-get"
831 [15:19:21] <wyoung> regaloranium: the -get
832 [15:19:34] <regaloranium> okay
833 [15:19:48] <EdePopede> wasn't something about interactive vs scripting?
834 [15:20:03] <klys> apt didn't used to be a command
835 [15:20:15] <klys> now that it is, it may as well "get"
836 [15:20:16] <wyoung> klys: yeah, it is newer
837 [15:20:33] <regaloranium> what is your DE?
838 [15:20:38] <wyoung> It is recommended you dont use -get
839 [15:20:43] <regaloranium> why
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841 [15:20:54] <wyoung> regaloranium: Because -get is legacy
842 [15:20:55] <shtrb> wyoung, what ? why ?
843 [15:21:01] <regaloranium> okay
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845 [15:21:05] <wyoung> shtrb: Because -get is leagacy
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847 [15:21:09] <jelly> /usr/bin/apt is supposed to be friendlier and encompassing features from both apt-get and apt-cache
848 [15:21:15] <EdePopede> "friendlier"
849 [15:21:22] <EdePopede> "increasing the user experience"
850 [15:21:27] <wyoung> jelly: Newer and non-legacy
851 [15:21:28] <regaloranium> what is your DE?
852 [15:21:33] <klys> this may all be my fault :/
853 [15:21:51] <regaloranium> im usually use xfce
854 [15:21:54] <shtrb> legacy as to be depcreated or legacy it's old and working lets continue having fun
855 [15:22:01] <jelly> wyoung, newer does not mean the older executables are "legacy" automatically
856 [15:22:06] <regaloranium> but today i install KDE
857 [15:22:09] <EdePopede> now the follow-up question: what about all the other apt-* commands? will they all be integrated into apt?
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860 [15:22:28] <jelly> apt-get and apt-cache were initially written as simple, example clients for the apt library
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862 [15:22:33] <EdePopede> !sns
863 [15:22:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
864 [15:22:55] * EdePopede will stay with -get and -cache and -foo for as long as possible
865 [15:22:55] <klys> poop.
866 [15:23:34] * shtrb also refuse to jump from the good old wagon
867 [15:23:40] <jelly> EdePopede, apt already has a search, and the version in sid has gained some aptitude-like search syntax too
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869 [15:25:16] <wyoung> klys: nice one
870 [15:25:17] <EdePopede> jelly: it really should be nothing but a user preference if someone uses a shiny interface, a swiss army cli tool or just a couple of scripts
871 [15:25:17] <jelly> wyoung, can you point to some documentation that says apt-get is legacy, I don't remember that
872 [15:25:41] <regaloranium> why do need screenfetch?
873 [15:25:58] <EdePopede> can't say right now what command it was, but something works only in aptitude so far, or at least it did before buster
874 [15:26:13] <wyoung> jelly: Sure, gimme a sec while I write one up.
875 [15:26:24] <EdePopede> ,info screenfetch
876 [15:26:26] <judd> Package screenfetch (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Bash Screenshot Information Tool. Version: 3.8.0-8; Size: 56.3k; Installed: 237k; Homepage: replaced-url
877 [15:26:39] <regaloranium> why do many people dislike snapd?
878 [15:26:47] <EdePopede> regaloranium: if you like it, why not. some tool may also make use of it.
879 [15:26:55] <klys> because software attained via snap is non-free
880 [15:27:23] <EdePopede> how good is snap as a concept?
881 [15:27:39] <jelly> concept, good. Execution, ehhhhh
882 [15:27:50] <klys> effective enough for such apps as authy
883 [15:28:23] <shtrb> EdePopede, the same as using meth
884 [15:28:26] <regaloranium> Do you know the game Urban Terror?
885 [15:28:37] <EdePopede> jelly: just like some other newer desktop thingies. *cough* xdg *cough*
886 [15:28:38] <klys> and perhaps skype, and oh: the raspberry pi installer
887 [15:29:18] <shtrb> klys, flatpak have skype and other tools, and actually give you some CONTROL and does not replace apt behind your back
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890 [15:29:38] <EdePopede> skype indeed. nice concept, but left behind, then MS, then electron. How To Kill User Numbers.
891 [15:29:40] <klys> good to know, shtrib
892 [15:30:09] <cheche> regaloranium: Love UrbanTerror
893 [15:30:28] <jelly> microsoft has decent apt repos, skypeforlinux can be installed that way without involving snap
894 [15:30:42] <regaloranium> By the way, the question is, what programs are there for recording CDs?
895 [15:30:47] <regaloranium> or DVD
896 [15:30:59] <shtrb> regaloranium, you can use good old k3b :)
897 [15:31:03] <jelly> regaloranium, audio CD or data?
898 [15:31:08] <regaloranium> cheche: i too
899 [15:31:13] <regaloranium> data
900 [15:31:45] <jelly> do you just want to burn an existing iso image, or make your own
901 [15:31:49] <regaloranium> Well, what would be, for example, an image of what system realties to write ...
902 [15:32:17] <remline> regaloranium: My primary problem with snap is that it is too slow on my fairly old computer.
903 [15:32:18] <regaloranium> jelly: exiting
904 [15:32:28] <jelly> ,i wodim
905 [15:32:29] <judd> Package wodim (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: command line CD/DVD writing tool. Version: 9:1.1.11-3+b2; Size: 344.4k; Installed: 903k
906 [15:32:39] <jelly> the basic tool.
907 [15:32:46] <regaloranium> okay
908 [15:32:49] <regaloranium> thanks
909 [15:33:15] <regaloranium> i can write a debian image with this program?=)
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911 [15:33:44] <regaloranium> I don't want to write to a USB flash drive every time
912 [15:33:45] <jelly> a cd image, yes. For dvd, probably growisofs
913 [15:34:07] <jelly> usb drives are more reusable
914 [15:34:09] <regaloranium> i can write a netinstall image?
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916 [15:34:40] <jelly> yes, netinst images are created to be bootable as cd media, as usb disk from the same image
917 [15:34:49] <regaloranium> okay
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919 [15:35:40] <jelly> !-ig
920 [15:35:43] <jelly> !i-g
921 [15:35:43] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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924 [15:36:12] <cheche> regaloranium: eagle and Ramelle best maps for Urban Terror
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926 [15:37:36] <regaloranium> +
927 [15:38:05] <regaloranium> cheche: but some players use cheats
928 [15:38:16] <regaloranium> because this map too popularity
929 [15:38:17] <jelly> replaced-url
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957 [15:54:51] <regaloranium> how to install the terminal version of the transmission?
958 [15:56:12] <oxek> regaloranium: apt install transmission-cli
959 [15:56:31] <regaloranium> thank you very much
960 [15:57:14] <jelly> regaloranium, in general it's worth to do: apt-cache search some keywords here, and see what happens
961 [15:57:19] <jelly> apt-cache search transmission command line
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963 [15:57:45] <regaloranium> okay
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968 [15:58:34] <rapid16> I can't install netstat because of this error ''E: List directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. - Acquire (13: Permission denied)
969 [15:58:34] <rapid16> "
970 [15:58:41] <regaloranium> and to use this version of the transmission you need to install DE?
971 [15:59:39] <regaloranium> rapid16:try to install as root
972 [16:00:05] <rapid16> I did
973 [16:00:08] <rapid16> The user is root
974 [16:00:15] <regaloranium> hmm
975 [16:00:17] <regaloranium> reboot
976 [16:00:28] <rapid16> Wait. It says sudo not found
977 [16:00:30] <regaloranium> =)
978 [16:00:43] <rapid16> How is sudo not found?
979 [16:00:53] <oxek> rapid16: you didn't install it?
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981 [16:01:09] <regaloranium> apt install sudo
982 [16:01:11] <oxek> it's not installed by default, if you choose to create a root password
983 [16:01:17] <rapid16> How do you install sudo with root privileges?
984 [16:01:17] <regaloranium> or write su
985 [16:01:34] <regaloranium> su
986 [16:01:34] <oxek> rapid16: switch to root user, then `apt install sudo`
987 [16:01:39] <rapid16> This is a docker container, I don't know root password
988 [16:01:44] <regaloranium> and password
989 [16:01:58] <oxek> rapid16: `whoami` inside the container
990 [16:02:09] <rapid16> That says 'replaced-url
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992 [16:02:16] <regaloranium> I don't know how to help then
993 [16:02:19] <rapid16> 'replaced-url
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995 [16:03:15] <oxek> rapid16: `docker exec -it mycontainername /bin/bash`
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999 [16:04:14] <rapid16> I'm already in an interactive shell
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1002 [16:06:20] <oxek> rapid16: then try `su - root`
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1004 [16:06:30] <oxek> probably won't work though
1005 [16:06:37] <rapid16> It asks for password
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1007 [16:07:01] <rapid16> I really want to destroy my whole setup other than Docker software itself and start over
1008 [16:07:16] <oxek> ask whoever made the container to give you details about it
1009 [16:07:44] <oxek> usually you'd just create a new image that already has everything you need and then mount all the volumes you're using
1010 [16:08:48] <oxek> and for network troubleshooting of containers, you can use an image like nicolaka/netshoot
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1019 [16:26:17] <jelly> judd, file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
1020 [16:26:22] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
1021 [16:26:45] <jelly> well, it's not a file so that's technically right.
1022 [16:26:53] <jelly> apt: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
1023 [16:27:39] <jelly> if that directory is missing, it means the apt package is broken and needs to be reinstalled
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1045 [16:57:42] <jelly> oxek, okay, but then it's not Debian
1046 [16:58:12] <jelly> not in the sense that we can help with anything inside that env
1047 [16:58:50] <jelly> it's basically a debian-based unchangeable OS image, then
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1079 [17:41:40] <dob1> what have I to install to have the network manager applet on xfce?
1080 [17:42:03] <rabbadabba> the package name is network-manager-gnome afaik
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1084 [17:48:09] <dob1> I got it but I am not able to manage my wired connection with it
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1088 [17:49:52] <rabbadabba> if your wired device is present in /etc/network/interfaces debian will not manage it
1089 [17:50:14] <rabbadabba> you can remove it from there and networkmanager can control it
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1098 [17:54:55] <dob1> rabbadabba, right. I forgot about it, thanks
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1100 [17:55:42] <haijuno> Can someone explain these results to me? Not understanding the numbers: replaced-url
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1102 [17:57:37] <oxek> haijuno: all you need to know that the best possible option won - which is a neutral option, meaning "We're not gonna get involved"
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1104 [17:57:45] <haijuno> Ok
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1107 [17:58:54] <rabbadabba> its nice that the debian team took a democratic approach to the issue.
1108 [17:59:27] <rabbadabba> instead of speaking on behalf of its community
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1111 [18:00:51] <oxek> debian cannot speak on behalf of community, debian can only speak on behalf of debian developers
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1113 [18:01:02] <oxek> and DDs have decided
1114 [18:01:36] <rabbadabba> yep, whereas others just came out without asking
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1116 [18:01:59] <oxek> most still come out without knowing all (or even any) facts
1117 [18:02:04] <oxek> such is humanity...
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1131 [18:17:43] <edocod> Hello!
1132 [18:17:49] <haijuno> Hello
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1135 [18:18:33] <edocod> I have some extra ethernet ports on my Debian server that I'd like to use as some sort of "switch", basically letting other computers connect to the network through the unused server's ports
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1138 [18:19:11] <edocod> I've tried to create a bridge between all the ports, but this doesn't seem to work. The devices can't get an ip from the bridge "switch"
1139 [18:19:19] <edocod> Is a bridge what i need, or is there something else?
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1147 [18:25:27] <Guest5820> hey y'all: so I installed firmware-iwlwifi but the wifi still doesn't work I can connect to networks It shows that I'm connected but when I open the browser its not working or when I open hexchat: Network unreachable
1148 [18:25:38] <Guest5820> what
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1150 [18:26:21] <Guest5820> so: I installed firmware-iwlwifi and the wifi still deosn't work
1151 [18:26:22] <oxek> do you get IP address?
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1153 [18:27:13] <Guest5820> oxek: ? are you talking to me
1154 [18:27:43] <oxek> yes
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1156 [18:28:12] <Guest5820> I'm using usb tethering via android
1157 [18:28:41] <Guest5820> right now
1158 [18:28:49] <Guest5820> idk I didn't check
1159 [18:28:49] <oxek> that doesn't sound like it would need firmware-iwlwifi
1160 [18:29:03] <rabbadabba> well go and check?
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1162 [18:29:15] <Guest5820> ok
1163 [18:29:19] <Guest5820> wait
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1170 [18:31:37] <danail> ok
1171 [18:31:44] <danail> I typed in ip addr
1172 [18:32:30] <danail> and wlp3s0 has two inet's but I couldn't find an IP
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1175 [18:33:36] <oxek> danail: then you're likely not connected to the wifi
1176 [18:33:42] <oxek> what's the adapter? some old intel?
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1178 [18:35:14] <oxek> my guess would be that the default mac address randomization is at fault once again
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1183 [18:38:07] <danail> can you guys read my messages ?
1184 [18:38:36] <danail> hello ?
1185 [18:39:05] <oxek> yes
1186 [18:39:15] <oxek> what's the adapter? some old intel?
1187 [18:39:19] <oxek> my guess would be that the default mac address randomization is at fault once again
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1189 [18:42:59] <danail> whats is that how can I fix it ?
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1193 [18:44:27] <oxek> create /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/90-disable-wifi-mac-randomization.conf with this content replaced-url
1194 [18:44:33] <oxek> assuming you're using networkmanager
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1203 [18:49:51] <danail> oxek: should I use the 'touch' command
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1205 [18:50:07] <danail> and should I use nano ?
1206 [18:50:21] <rabbadabba> the text editor doesnt matter
1207 [18:51:34] <danail> and the command ?
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1210 [18:52:08] <danail> rabbadabba: this name dude :D this is the name we need
1211 [18:52:32] <rabbadabba> just make the file with your editor of choice, and use mkdir /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d if it doesnt exist
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1221 [18:58:27] <alexrelis[m]> New Debian Project Leader is Johnathan Carter.
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1223 [19:00:28] <shtrb> Wasn't he already the one DPL ?
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1230 [19:08:27] <alexrelis[m]> shtrb: I believe he was re-elected.
1231 [19:08:39] <shtrb> oh
1232 [19:08:46] <alexrelis[m]> I wonder if he frequents the IRC channel.
1233 [19:09:14] <Unit193> The official ones on OFTC, yeah. And yes he was re-elected.
1234 [19:10:18] <alexrelis[m]> If he's reading this, I hope he focuses his efforts on expanding fast track.
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1236 [19:12:14] <alexrelis[m]> Also, I wish Debian Stable had some kind of hardware enablement kernel. So many people have new hardware and install Debian Stable, only to be greeted with a black screen on boot.
1237 [19:13:11] <shtrb> Just don't use nvidia
1238 [19:13:34] <shtrb> or i915
1239 [19:14:09] <sney> or amd
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1242 [19:14:53] <sney> alexrelis[m]: it's the backport kernel, really. there used to be installers distributed with it, but that project was a 1-person effort and abandoned when that developer didn't have time anymore
1243 [19:14:59] <Unit193> In fact, just don't use video cards.
1244 [19:14:59] <shtrb> Who needs UI anyway !
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1246 [19:15:22] <alexrelis[m]> My favorite OS and hardware is Debian Potato on a potato.
1247 [19:15:46] <Unit193> sney: Wouldn't it be pretty easy to make an ISO with backports and that installed from backports?
1248 [19:15:50] <sney> the problem will be mitigated for a while when bullseye releases. towards the end of a release's time as stable, hardware too new is a common stumbling block
1249 [19:15:52] <alexrelis[m]> Or Raspbian on a Raspberry Pie (yes, an actual Raspberry Pie).
1250 [19:16:22] <sney> Unit193: aiui, yes. it's just that kmuto was the only one maintaining it. if I were a DD, I'd strongly consider taking over.
1251 [19:16:26] <shtrb> Raspbian has nothing to do with debian
1252 [19:17:00] <alexrelis[m]> shtrb: I was joking.
1253 [19:17:31] <alexrelis[m]> Well Raspbian is at least a fork of Debbie. It is not a pure blend though.
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1256 [19:18:27] <sney> raspbian was a binary rebuild of debian for a chip that wasn't supported by debian's own armhf arch. the project was run by a debian developer. "nothing to do with debian" is incorrect, though it gets the same amount of support in #debian as any derivative
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1259 [19:19:35] <Unit193> sney: Any reason you can't anyway? Just as long as you have somewhere to host an ISO? I must confess, I know nothing of the project.
1260 [19:19:38] <shtrb> Sorry , was thinking of raspberry os
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1262 [19:20:48] <shtrb> sney, you remember the fiasco some time ago with pushing packages behind users back ?
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1264 [19:20:56] <shtrb> that's not in debian
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1269 [19:23:05] <alexrelis[m]> If anything, wouldn't it be possible to mimic what Ubuntu's HWE is doing in their installer?
1270 [19:23:17] <deadrom> greetings. first time since ages trying to mount cifs from debian. deb10 machine, I try on cli: # mount.cifs -o username=xxx,password=yyy //192.168.178.39/video /mnt/synology and get mount error(95): Operation not supported
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1272 [19:23:45] <shtrb> deadrom, check that you have updated cifs-utils
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1274 [19:24:05] <deadrom> no idea *which* operation is not supported. target is a synology. shtrb, only installed it, fresh as it gets
1275 [19:24:55] <shtrb> deadrom, such error happen for me when my cifs-utils does not correspond to the kernel version or when there failure to attach
1276 [19:24:56] <oxek> `mount -t cifs -o username=USERNAME,uid=$USER,gid=$USER,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755 //192.168.0.1/share /mnt/share` works here for a synology
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1278 [19:26:20] <deadrom> oxek, and the password param?
1279 [19:26:28] <oxek> didn't try
1280 [19:26:38] <alexrelis[m]> deadrom: A lot of file managers support logging into Samba shares too.
1281 [19:26:51] <shtrb> deadrom, can you list or attach to that share ?
1282 [19:26:57] <shtrb> using smbclient for example ?
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1284 [19:27:11] <deadrom> shtrb, smbclient -L -U... lists shares ok
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1286 [19:27:50] <oxek> what debian are you on?
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1289 [19:28:19] <shtrb> deadrom, when you do smblicent -L -U ... do you get any errors ?
1290 [19:30:03] <oxek> another guess would be to play with the 'vers=' option
1291 [19:30:11] <oxek> vers=1.0 or vers=2.0 or vers=3.0
1292 [19:30:24] <shtrb> btw That was smbclient should alert about
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1294 [19:31:16] <deadrom> oxek, deb 10.9
1295 [19:31:46] <deadrom> funny: mount -t cifs .... asks for the passwor, *then* says "op not permitted"
1296 [19:32:06] <deadrom> shtrb, no, no errors there
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1298 [19:32:48] <shtrb> does --verbose give you any information ?
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1301 [19:34:16] <deadrom> shtrb, nah
1302 [19:34:25] <oxek> deadrom: did you try the vers?
1303 [19:35:08] <deadrom> every other tutorial on the web says "use NFS anyway", but the Synlogy is exporting its content as cifs, now I'm not exactly sure if double-exporting as cifs and NFS gives me trouble. shouldn't, but for sure?
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1305 [19:36:30] <deadrom> oxek: vers=1.0 did the trick!
1306 [19:36:38] <deadrom> now with fstab...
1307 [19:36:59] <shtrb> smbclient should have told you that !
1308 [19:37:12] <shtrb> also , that VERY bad if you system requrie such old connection
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1310 [19:37:22] <deadrom> shtrb, did not
1311 [19:37:24] <sney> classic smbv1, which is legendarily vunerable
1312 [19:37:32] <sney> but if it's just on your private network it's not a big deal
1313 [19:37:36] <deadrom> only local, not exposed, I'll run with that
1314 [19:37:41] <oxek> it's worse, it indicates the synology device is horribly out of date as well
1315 [19:37:51] <deadrom> that's what I thought, too :)
1316 [19:38:03] <deadrom> it's a 2017 device. gonna write them a hissy email
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1318 [19:38:36] <oxek> SMBv1 was out of date in 2017 already
1319 [19:38:44] <shtrb> deadrom, just make you don't connect this thing to any internet accessible network :D it should be connected to a router that has no internet access , and all client shouldn't also have internet access :D
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1321 [19:42:05] <deadrom> hell yes.
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1380 [20:28:24] <lpancescu> hi, i only see firefox in sid, not in bullseye. does this mean it won't be part of bullseye when released? i was looking into migrating someone from fedora, which uses firefox, that would save them from manually migrating the firefox profile to firefox-esr
1381 [20:28:40] <sney> lpancescu: correct, debian stable releases only get firefox-esr
1382 [20:28:49] <sney> #817954
1383 [20:28:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1384 [20:29:00] <lpancescu> sney: forever?
1385 [20:29:11] <sney> for the forseeable future, there's more detail in the bug thread
1386 [20:29:30] * lpancescu is reading
1387 [20:29:33] <lpancescu> thanks
1388 [20:29:36] <sney> np
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1392 [20:33:30] <ratrace> lpancescu: however, non-esr firefox is available through other software channels on debian
1393 [20:34:13] <lpancescu> ratrace: backports, i guess?
1394 [20:34:36] <lpancescu> there used to be mozilla.debian.net, but that seems not to be updated anymore
1395 [20:34:46] <ratrace> yes, but I mean there's mechanisms like flatpaks and snaps fully supported (as package managers) on debian
1396 [20:34:54] <sney> no backports, but flatpak and some other options replaced-url
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1400 [20:35:36] <sney> from the bug thread above, it sounds like if debian's firefox package was maintained by a team instead of one guy, a backport via the new fasttrack service might be feasible
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1404 [20:38:46] <lpancescu> if the flatpak and snap are done by mozilla, this might provide even faster security updates than debian's, there are sometimes delays of several days between the mozilla update and the DSA (I guess compilation dependencies, lots of different archs that Debian supports)
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1408 [20:39:51] <lpancescu> isn't snap an ubuntu-only thing, with all the other distros using flatpak?
1409 [20:39:52] <oxek> mozilla keeps adding new security bugs faster than fixing old ones
1410 [20:39:57] <oxek> hence using firefox-esr makes more sense
1411 [20:40:26] <oxek> lpancescu: snapd can be installed on debian, but I would not recommend it. Flatpak is more sane.
1412 [20:40:26] <lpancescu> lol, true. some security fixes only apply to firefox, not firefox-esr
1413 [20:40:37] <EdePopede> also helps avoiding their improved designs for as long as possible
1414 [20:40:42] <sney> someone coming from fedora might not warm up to that notion right away though
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1417 [20:41:18] <oxek> fedora is just a testbed for RHEL, I don't understand why one would use it unless one is a redhat developer
1418 [20:41:56] <ratrace> because some people prefer !sns
1419 [20:42:09] <sney> some people practice sns as a lifestyle, yes.
1420 [20:42:09] <lpancescu> fedora uses flatpak more and more... they even plan to stop providing traditional packages for some things like chromium, since upstream provides flatpaks, and the vendored dependencies make it tough even for fedora to package
1421 [20:42:43] <sney> also some degree of containerization makes sense for browsers
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1424 [20:44:04] <lpancescu> i used fedora for about 6 years, just came back to debian - their quality is impressive, given the pace of change. i got bitten by upstream kernel bugs, though, a number of times... debian stable isn't that old, and i can use my computer instead of scrambling to fix it :)
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1428 [20:46:09] <oxek> sney: all the browsers belong in a waste container, you're 100% right.
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1430 [20:46:46] <ratrace> bwahahaha
1431 [20:46:51] <sney> lol
1432 [20:47:15] <ratrace> dontcha talk dirty about my beloved fox!
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1434 [20:47:35] <oxek> more like a raccoon by now
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1438 [20:48:56] <lpancescu> it probably makes sense to sandbox all networked applications, although given the exploit chains of several zero days to break out of chrome's impressive sandboxing, up to kernel privilege escalation and take over the whole computer, i doubt flatpak can prevent that
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1440 [20:49:10] <oxek> red panda? More like a trash panda.
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1444 [20:49:42] <ratrace> lpancescu: yes, that's because containers are NOT security boundaries, in fact they do the opposite: they enahnce privilege, in a way
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1446 [20:50:08] <oxek> !start a browser war
1447 [20:50:08] <dpkg> Netscape < w3m!
1448 [20:50:11] <ratrace> containers are good for to isolate dependencies, nothing else. be it package dependencies, devices or other kernel facilities
1449 [20:50:11] <sney> with modern browser complexity I doubt any 1 thing can offer full protection, it needs the belt+suspenders approach
1450 [20:51:05] <lpancescu> no, but selinux is used to lock them down (at least on fedora). that limits the kernel calls they are able to make, making an exploit much more difficult
1451 [20:51:14] <sney> we should have a way to tell the browser "stay in your box" and that's probably some manner of a container, aiui the ones we have now are not that
1452 [20:51:47] <sney> and selinux/apparmor yeah
1453 [20:52:37] <ratrace> lpancescu: much more difficult, but not utterly impossible
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1455 [20:52:54] <ratrace> for that reason I run my fox with a custom apparmor profile.
1456 [20:52:58] <lpancescu> ratrace: sadly not.
1457 [20:54:01] <ratrace> I've seen some security researchers go as far as to run browsers in VMs and then restore the VM images back to a snapshot point when they're done for the session
1458 [20:54:17] <ratrace> it's like seeing a bomb squad technician running away. it'd be wise to follow him or her :)
1459 [20:54:30] <lpancescu> i was hoping firefox would be rewritten entirely in rust, that might have helped - but mozilla let the rust eam go, i think it won't happen
1460 [20:54:54] <ratrace> they might re-hire them now that Linus is on on board with rust in teh kernel
1461 [20:55:28] <ratrace> totally looking froward to Debian Rust/Linux 16.
1462 [20:55:57] <ratrace> totally this: replaced-url
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1464 [20:56:27] <ratrace> bye GNU. you were nice'n'all but times 'a'changin'
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1476 [21:04:06] <omarek> Hi, I'm trying to OOPS, JUST SOLVED MY PROBLEM ON MY OWN, SORRY!!
1477 [21:04:23] <sney> congrats
1478 [21:04:52] <omarek> It's because it occured me I'm asking for something basic and easily googleable.
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1486 [21:12:11] <_0xbadc0de_> guys I had my debian 10 system working fine with the hdmi cable connected to a 3070 and then I removed the 3070 and switched the cable to a 3090 and now the screen is rendered in a odd way
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1488 [21:12:26] <_0xbadc0de_> it's as if the terminal is rendered outside of the screen
1489 [21:12:32] <_0xbadc0de_> so I don't see all of it
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1491 [21:15:36] <ratrace> _0xbadc0de_: tried degaussing it?
1492 [21:15:51] <cws> party like its 1999
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1496 [21:17:34] <_0xbadc0de_> degaussing?
1497 [21:17:57] <ratrace> _0xbadc0de_: okay I guess you're too young to know.... it's a joke. modern LCDs do have an "auto setup" button too. tried that. I found that helps sometime
1498 [21:18:12] <ratrace> %s/that\./that?/
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1501 [21:19:54] <EdePopede> btw, what was the name of that X tool where you could set up the timing parameters and everything interactively?
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1506 [21:25:23] <ratrace> EdePopede: xrandr?
1507 [21:26:50] <EdePopede> ratrace: not cli, it created a window in the center of the screen, plain X, some values and buttons
1508 [21:27:09] <ratrace> doesn't ring a bell
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1510 [21:28:20] <EdePopede> ratrace: xvidtune
1511 [21:29:41] <EdePopede> odd, it gets a titlebar now, also resizable by alt+rmb. not sure this was possible with the wm i used back then.
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1598 [22:56:48] <ratrace> what, no RMS GR drama in teh chan? pfft. aight, imma head out.
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1605 [22:59:58] <aisha> o/
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1620 [23:17:11] <jhutchins> Interesting. If you launch a terminal session in xfce with the -fullscreen switch, you can't shrink it or access the menu bar.
1621 [23:17:58] <jhutchins> Ah - View menu will let you make it normal again.
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1626 [23:20:24] <yanmaani> I have a package but it seems to be the wrong version.
1627 [23:20:38] <yanmaani> I'm trying to install a backport of gccgo-go:
1628 [23:20:48] <yanmaani> > Selected version '2:1.14~1~bpo10+1' (Devuan Backports:3.0.0/stable-backports [amd64]) for 'gccgo-go'
1629 [23:20:55] <yanmaani> (I'm on devuan, but this shouldn't matter)
1630 [23:21:05] <yanmaani> then I check the version:
1631 [23:21:10] <yanmaani> $ go version
1632 [23:21:13] <yanmaani> go version go1.10.3 gccgo (Debian 8.3.0-6) 8.3.0 linux/amd64
1633 [23:21:33] <yanmaani> If I run `which go`, I get /usr/bin/go, which is owned by that package.
1634 [23:22:10] <yanmaani> If I look in the changelog, it says it should be version 1.14.
1635 [23:22:49] <cws> !devuan
1636 [23:22:50] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
1637 [23:24:37] <yanmaani> This doesn't have anything to do with systemd though
1638 [23:24:50] <yanmaani> oh, I need a newer version of the dependency
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1640 [23:25:55] <cws> It doesn't matter. Devuan is not supported here.
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1684 [23:54:05] <jhutchins> yanmaani: You miss the point. We dont know what devuan has changed compared to stock debian. We only support the latter here. Advice which could fix a problem in debian can often break derivatives.
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1686 [23:55:34] <jhutchins> _0xbadc0de_: The only 3060 and 3090 I know of are massive IBM mainframes that take up at least a whole roomm, if not a dedicated building like the 360/370.
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1688 [23:58:36] <jhutchins> CRTs, particularly monitors, tended to build up a magnetization of some of the components, which would mess up the display. There was a built in circuit that could be activated to remove the magnetization. Gauss is a masure of the strength of a magnetic field, hence de-gausing.
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