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8 [00:14:07] <Guest1798> so I have four ip addresses on my server and currently trying to make openvpn work in a "dynamic way". a lot of people told me to accomplish this by creating a dummy interface and adding x ip to it. that's what I did. and it worked. but when I connect to my vpn using openvpn and that specific ip address, it will never show the same ip address for
9 [00:14:07] <Guest1798> e.g: when I visit icanhazip.com. it will rather show the "main" ip address -- on the eth0 interface. why is that? am I doing smth wrong? I appreciate any help or advice
10 [00:14:56] <cws> The host routing the traffic to the internet doesn't care which IP was used to connect to openvpn.
11 [00:15:17] <cws> All it sees is "send this packet to the internet," and so it does, using the interface's primary address.
12 [00:15:58] <Guest1798> in this case what could I do
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14 [00:16:08] <cws> Nothing. That's just how routing works.
15 [00:16:40] <cws> Well, I say "nothing." That's not quite true.
16 [00:17:11] <cws> But I've never configured what is basically a NAT pool and everything that that involves.
17 [00:17:24] <Guest1798> I'm almost sure there's a way to make it actually connect to the IP I want, and it being sent back to me when doing curl icanhazip.com
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19 [00:17:30] <Guest1798> But yeah I'm out of ideas lol
20 [00:17:39] <cws> Why is it so important that that happens?
21 [00:17:51] <cpjulia> hello guys could anyone please help me with kurento?
22 [00:18:47] <Guest1798> I don't see a point of the ip addresses like that, then to whatever IP I connect it will still be seen as the main public address, what I'm trying to make it is work dynamic
23 [00:18:59] <cws> Okay, but why?
24 [00:19:37] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
25 [00:19:48] <Guest1798> so I can switch between ip addresses with openvpn, each IP has a different countrycode
26 [00:20:00] <cws> IPs don't have country codes.
27 [00:20:33] <Guest1798> well yeah, that's dependant on geoip dbs, but still
28 [00:21:18] <Guest1798> by the way it's nothing special just a debian box with four ip addresses and a basic openvpn setup
29 [00:21:24] <cws> "basic" tells me nothing.
30 [00:21:41] <Guest1798> what do you wanna know
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32 [00:21:47] <cws> The question I already asked.
33 [00:21:50] <cws> Is this a single OpenVPN server listening on multiple addresses, or are these individual OpenVPN servers running on the same machine, each bound to a different IP?
34 [00:22:41] <cws> And how are you confirming that these addresses actually appear to be in different countries?
35 [00:22:52] <Guest1798> just a simple geoip lookup
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37 [00:23:25] <cws> mkay
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39 [00:23:38] <Guest1798> by the way, the latter of what you said above in the question
40 [00:23:53] <cws> Yeah, that's hardly a "basic" setup.
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42 [00:24:38] <cws> In that case, you could try to configure your NAT rules on the host to use a given translation IP based on the source subnet of the traffic. Each different openvpn instance will have a different subnet.
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44 [00:25:01] <cws> So you can identify from which instance traffic originates, and set the outbound translation IP accordingly.
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46 [00:25:12] <cws> As for the how, that's up to you to figure out based on how you set up NAT in the first place.
47 [00:26:21] <Guest1798> I see. thanks for this info
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94 [00:59:50] <l0rd_hex> Hi Debianos! My son, Spray, is extremely allergic to grub. Can I install debian with syslinux instead?
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97 [01:01:30] <oxek> how about systemd-boot instead?
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100 [01:03:33] <l0rd_hex> oxek: I haven't used it before... is it possible to install it directly from the installer?
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102 [01:03:57] <l0rd_hex> if even a little grub gets on his filesystem he gets all Debian 7.0
103 [01:04:00] <oxek> probably not through the guided installer, but you can drop to console from the installer
104 [01:04:25] <oxek> oh I have no idea about debian 7.0, anything <10 has been purged from my memory
105 [01:04:28] <cws> What is the problem with grub exactly?
106 [01:04:48] <l0rd_hex> oxek: Debian 7.0 is "Wheezy" so my son gets wheezy
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108 [01:05:04] <oxek> l0rd_hex: don't.
109 [01:05:10] <oxek> no security support for 7.0 anymore
110 [01:05:29] <l0rd_hex> oxek: it's just a joke, brah.
111 [01:05:49] <cws> I think he's trying to crack a joke, but to be quite frank, if you're that picky about which bootloader is used, then you should be able to handle this yourself.
112 [01:05:57] <l0rd_hex> i.e. someone having an allergic reaction might get wheezy (trouble breathing)
113 [01:06:06] <oxek> ugh
114 [01:06:10] <l0rd_hex> yeah.
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117 [01:06:52] <l0rd_hex> the trouble with grub started many years ago when rms ate something he pulled off of his foot during a meeting, footgate we called it at the time
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119 [01:07:43] <l0rd_hex> TBH I personally don't really care for grub's configuration, I find it way to complicated and prefer syslinux but I've never had luck installing Debian with syslinux from, well, the installer
120 [01:08:22] <cws> update-grub
121 [01:08:27] <cws> There, now you don't have to worry about it.
122 [01:08:32] <l0rd_hex> it's been 11 years, wow: replaced-url
123 [01:08:38] <oxek> the guided installer just had grub and lilo
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125 [01:09:20] <l0rd_hex> I don't mind going down to the shell to install it I've just never had luck doing it
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127 [01:09:36] <cws> Then perhaps you ought to just stick to grub.
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129 [01:09:47] <l0rd_hex> it's too grubby
130 [01:09:56] <cws> This sounds very much like a "you" problem.
131 [01:10:01] <l0rd_hex> very much so
132 [01:10:07] <cws> Then why waste the channel's time?
133 [01:10:18] <l0rd_hex> but in this case, I've chosen to blame it on my imaginary son "Spray"
134 [01:10:38] <l0rd_hex> well I thought maybe someone had sucessfully installed syslinux via the installer
135 [01:11:05] <l0rd_hex> and would be willing to mind-meld with me behind the local Dairy Queen next to the dumpsters
136 [01:11:32] <l0rd_hex> cws: you sound like you're running sid
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138 [01:13:40] <tosted> hi. is there any way to discovery which packs were manualy compiled?
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140 [01:14:07] <l0rd_hex> tosted: like pacakges installed manually, not from the repos?
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143 [01:15:01] <l0rd_hex> pretty much all of the packages in the repos were compiled manually at some point :)
144 [01:15:20] <l0rd_hex> but stuff compiled locally into like a deb and then installed... is that what you're looking for?
145 [01:16:22] <abrotman> dpkg: cruft
146 [01:16:22] <dpkg> it has been said that cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
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155 [01:19:57] <l0rd_hex> is the channel limited like that to avoid splits, or is there still raids and stuff?
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206 [02:11:10] <l0rd_hex> Good news everyone! It is possible to install syslinux via the installer but you need to use "Expert Install", select "continue without grub", then drop to a shell and install extlinux (not syslinux!) dd the mbr.bin to your disk, make a syslinxu directory under /boot and copy the needed c32 modules into it, then run extlinux --install /boot/syslinux and you're set, just don't forget to create a
207 [02:11:16] <l0rd_hex> syslinux.cfg. I had to chroot into my target to be able to install extlinux also
208 [02:11:33] <l0rd_hex> cws: I couldn't have done it without your rudeness guiding me along, thank you
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210 [02:12:18] <l0rd_hex> not sure if this will survive a kernel update but who knows
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221 [02:21:45] <Waxhead> Howdy , is it possible to have multiple EFI boot partitions , one on each disk in the system so that you will have a fallback if the first partition somehow gets corrupt. Will an update then update all EFI partitions or do I need to do something special - I plan to use BTRFS as root (yes I am) and would not like the EFI boot partition to be a single point of failure.
222 [02:23:06] <dvs> Waxhead: you can have multiple EFI partitions but only one of them will be updated by the install.
223 [02:24:04] <Waxhead> dvs: ouch .. so that means that a kernel update will potentially break the system if the the primary efi boot partition is toast, (because the others are outdated)....
224 [02:24:51] <dvs> Waxhead: even if the primary efi partition break, the secondary will still work because it hasn't been touched.
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226 [02:25:10] <Waxhead> but is is not updated by a kernel update?
227 [02:25:18] <dvs> nope
228 [02:25:26] <Waxhead> e.g. leaving initramfs potentially on a old version?
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238 [02:39:50] <cws> Your initramfs doesn't live on the ESP.
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241 [02:42:02] <cheapie> cws: You're making me tempted to do that now.
242 [02:42:49] <dvs> DO IT!
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248 [02:47:14] <cws> What, move your initramfs to the ESP, or make redundant ESPs?
249 [02:48:03] <dvs> sounds like make a redundant ESP
250 [02:48:15] <henko> hi. is it normal when using buster-backports in the apt sources that some packages can't be updated? even when I do $ apt full-upgrade?
251 [02:49:14] <henko> and when installing the specitic package it says: the following packages have unmet dependencies... but it is not going to be installed
252 [02:49:52] <dvs> we can't help you without specifics
253 [02:49:53] <henko> does that mean that the new backported packages I installed depend on new libraries which are yet not backported and thus can't be installed
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255 [02:50:23] <cws> if you do it right, you CAN actually put your ESP on an mdadm raid1.
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257 [02:50:36] <cws> And its bootable.
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259 [02:51:51] <oxek> henko: backports should be used sparingly. Provide more info about which packages you're trying to install/upgrade.
260 [02:53:37] <henko> I am new to backports... I just wanted to try it out... cuz I wanted to try out sane-airscan
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262 [02:53:44] <henko> replaced-url
263 [02:53:57] <henko> I might as well only update that one package... but now its too late
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265 [02:54:50] <henko> replaced-url
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267 [02:55:25] <oxek> your sources.list is messed up
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269 [02:55:30] <oxek> !buster sources.list
270 [02:55:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
271 [02:55:35] <oxek> you're missing the main repo
272 [02:56:01] <oxek> ehh, meaning the 'buster' repo
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274 [02:56:25] <oxek> (honestly we should just refer to it as 'master' repo or something like that)
275 [02:56:51] <dvs> Oh, they won't be calling it "master" due to political correctness.
276 [02:57:03] <oxek> dvs: how is 'master' politically incorrect?
277 [02:58:04] <oxek> the 'buster' (not buster-backports, not buster-updates, not buster-security) is the repo that is used to create a master of a debian release
278 [02:58:09] <oxek> analogous to music cd master
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280 [02:58:35] <oxek> replaced-url
281 [02:58:36] <dvs> oxek: it implies "slave"
282 [02:59:04] <oxek> wtf
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289 [03:04:16] <tosted> l0rd_hex: yes..pack installed manually, is a manual compiled, is not?
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291 [03:05:43] <henko> oxek: I don't get it... the wiki told me to it: replaced-url
292 [03:05:53] <henko> Seems okay for me
293 [03:06:09] <oxek> henko: the wiki says append, whereas you replaced
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295 [03:06:41] <oxek> you're missing completely missing the most important repo 'deb replaced-url
296 [03:07:45] <henko> ahh
297 [03:08:00] <oxek> henko: you pretty much want this replaced-url
298 [03:08:01] <l0rd_hex> tosted: well there's a difference, if you download the source and did a make / make install thhose are files thet get installed into the filesystem without a package manager. There is also the ability to download or assemble a "deb" (single package) and install that with the package manager
299 [03:08:51] <l0rd_hex> it depends if you want to know what files were "make install"-ed vs a deb installed by hand (not from repo)
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305 [03:11:33] <henko> oxek: thanks.. update works now. thanks
306 [03:12:09] <oxek> henko: no problem, and be more careful next time when editing sources.list, making sure you read instructions properly :)
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309 [03:14:54] <henko> oxek: i will.
310 [03:15:01] <oxek> on a slightly related note, it's a pity that `apt edit-sources` does not work like `visudo` or `vipw`. It still allows wrongly formatted sources.list from being written out.
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315 [03:18:27] <henko> ohh I always edited it directly... in future I will do it with edit-sources... maybe future updates will behave like this? :)
316 [03:20:37] <oxek> maybe. Someone would have to work on it though.
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318 [03:23:20] <henko> also I have one question. Im planning to setup bind9 as an authorative nameserver (not publicly recursive) and would install it via backports. But I've seen that the version numbers of projects doesn't have to align with the version numbers of debian packages. In BINDs case they align but debian adds garbeled mess after the bind version number like here: bind9 (1:9.11.5.P4+dfsg-5.1+deb10u3
319 [03:23:26] <henko> replaced-url
320 [03:23:42] <henko> what does P4 and dfsg mean?
321 [03:24:28] <henko> I've looked seemingly everywhere in the debian wiki and haven't found the meaning behind it
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323 [03:26:32] <henko> If I were to also use the newest packages with new featureset and not only bugfixes - is it safe to install debian buster with the bind package from testing? or would this be too risky? broken updates etc.?
324 [03:27:00] <oxek> replaced-url
325 [03:27:50] <oxek> also `man deb-version`
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327 [03:28:49] <henko> s/bugfixes/security fixes/
328 [03:28:57] <themill> henko: "9.11.5.P4" is what upstream calls it -- patchlevel 4 -- that's nothing to do with Debian.
329 [03:29:48] <oxek> henko: also ask yourself why you want the newer package from testing. If you can't find a good reason for it, then don't do it.
330 [03:29:52] <themill> +dfsg means that non-free crap was ripped out of the source package before uploading it to Debian. From memory, bind upstream includes non-free copies of standards that Debian can't redistribute.
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333 [03:31:17] <henko> themill: where would I find that information when not asking here in IRC?
334 [03:31:54] <henko> is +dfsg used also in other packages? or is this a package by package convetion by the debian package maintainer?
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336 [03:32:10] <oxek> henko: probably in /usr/share/doc/bind9/
337 [03:32:28] <oxek> the README files have various info
338 [03:33:17] <oxek> the +dfsg is used only in packages where debian patches had to be applied to them to make them compliant with Debian Free Software Guidelines
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340 [03:33:43] <oxek> !dfsg
341 [03:33:43] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
342 [03:33:50] <henko> that explains the acronym ^^
343 [03:34:45] <henko> okay thanks for the input... I know have enough read up to do heh
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346 [03:35:58] <oxek> henko: replaced-url
347 [03:36:03] <oxek> lots of reading if you want :)
348 [03:37:25] <themill> henko: the links to the definition of the version field tell you that the P4 is an upstream thing; common practices for versions are documented there in policy and in devref §6.7.8
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351 [03:40:02] <oxek> I'll release a software that I'll version upstream as "jessie+dfsg-1.1+deb10u1". Good luck to whoever wants to package (and version it) in debian :p
352 [03:40:31] <oxek> gotta love intentionally difficult upstream
353 [03:40:33] <sney> there was a bug due to a too-long version string not long ago
354 [03:40:34] <henko> oxek: :b
355 [03:41:05] <oxek> sney: oh, like that software that just increments the number of digits of pi?
356 [03:41:31] <oxek> version 3.14159265358979323846
357 [03:41:48] <sney> #940708
358 [03:41:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
359 [03:42:30] <sney> n+1 digits of pi might have been an improvement lol
360 [03:42:44] <oxek> was 6.2.1+ds+~0.4.0+~4.0.0+really4.0.0+~1.0.0+~5.0.1+ds+~1.7.0+ds+~0.1.1+~0.3.1+~0.2.0+~0.1.0+~0.3.0+~0.3.0-5 real????
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364 [03:48:23] <sney> like, clearly they had a problem to solve, but I can't imagine seeing that mess in d/changelog and thinking "ah yes, this is a good upload, time for dput"
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367 [03:50:14] <oxek> indeed :D
368 [03:50:40] <themill> There are a few language ecosystems that are pushing the bounds of what it means to distribute software (node and golang in particular)
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450 [05:44:35] <cpjulia> hello, can anyone help me with a kurento issue?
451 [05:44:55] <cpjulia> I know it's more an uubuntu topic, but any thoughts would be appreciated
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453 [05:52:23] <rustyshackleford> refurbished dell's are so cheap
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455 [05:54:25] <rustyshackleford> use case is a Plex server
456 [05:54:41] <rustyshackleford> won't be connected to a monitor or keyboard
457 [05:54:55] <rustyshackleford> do I get a rack mount server or a tower?
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459 [05:55:12] <sney> refurb office pcs are great for a low budget server, indeed
460 [05:55:58] <rustyshackleford> replaced-url
461 [05:56:42] <rustyshackleford> are dell poweredge servers a good platform to build on?
462 [05:57:19] <sney> bit overkill if all you're running is plex, but can't argue with that price
463 [05:57:40] <rustyshackleford> 780 Watt power supply
464 [05:57:52] <rustyshackleford> maybe its too power hungry for a server that will mostly sit idle
465 [05:57:59] <rustyshackleford> all those drive bays though...
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467 [05:59:25] <sney> it will be p loud, you will always hear it unless you have a basement to stash it in. but from a linux perspective, dell's business stuff is good, yes. all intel components usually. maybe bnx2 for the nics, but that's supported too. should pretty much work right out of the box.
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469 [06:00:04] <rustyshackleford> yeah I was wondering if the fans were loud
470 [06:01:01] <sney> the system fans will throttle down but the psu fans will not.
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499 [06:50:25] <gry__> hi, ive got an atheros wireless card and when wireless drops, it doesn't reconnect. here is dmesg replaced-url
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532 [07:36:59] <TheBigK02> jhutchins: why would i print which kernels are available. i dont udnerstand?
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549 [08:12:01] <genr8_> !sns
550 [08:12:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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561 [08:33:00] <addedman8> hey what is the url for debian' package ftps?\
562 [08:33:21] <addedman8> i want to dl a few packages but i dont have debian installed
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568 [08:37:54] <jaggz> In debian stable I created two files in /lib/systemd/system for a service to wait on a port (just a script that runs when the port is opened)
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570 [08:38:03] <jaggz> this isn't working in debian testing
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572 [08:38:29] <jaggz> systemctl list-units doesn't show it
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574 [08:39:21] <jaggz> I copied the files from one system to the other then ran systemctl daemon-reload
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577 [08:44:34] <TheBigK02> jaggz: try systemctl daemon-reload
578 [08:45:11] <jaggz> again? :)
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580 [08:46:08] <TheBigK02> jaggz: if thats not working, try doing a symlink to /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
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582 [08:46:12] <node1> why i'm getting `NTP service: inactive` using `timedatectl` while enabling it using `timedatectl set-ntp true` ?
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585 [08:47:15] <TheBigK02> node1: try systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd
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587 [08:48:08] <node1> why not with timedatectl ?
588 [08:48:40] <node1> Active: inactive (dead)
589 [08:48:40] <node1> Condition: start condition failed at Fri 2021-04-09 02:43:09 EDT; 5min ago
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591 [08:49:40] <TheBigK02> pastebin outpout of systemctl status systmed-timesyncd
592 [08:50:09] <jaggz> looks like it failed at startup and you need to see the logs, node1
593 [08:50:23] <somiaj> jaggz: please don't create/edti files in /lib/systemd, that is what /etc/systemd is for
594 [08:50:56] <jaggz> here's my testport.socket file, in /etc/systemd/system/ (and symlinked to it, with the same name, from the multi-user... subdir) replaced-url
595 [08:51:07] <node1> replaced-url
596 [08:51:13] <somiaj> as to your issue, I'm unsure why debian testing isn't seeing the service
597 [08:51:25] <node1> TheBigK02, replaced-url
598 [08:52:03] <TheBigK02> node1: do u have an ntp service running ?
599 [08:52:11] <TheBigK02> *-n
600 [08:52:30] <AquaL1te> during debian package installs, there are sometimes interactive menus to setup the package. is there a way to automate the answers? specifically with ansible?
601 [08:52:36] <jaggz> and then this one is in the same dir, and called testport@.service: replaced-url
602 [08:52:55] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: check out fai...
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604 [08:53:36] <jaggz> is ntpd installed?
605 [08:53:40] <jaggz> (does it need to be?)
606 [08:53:48] <TheBigK02> nope. thats the point
607 [08:53:57] <TheBigK02> if its installed u cant use timesyncd from systemd
608 [08:53:59] <jaggz> oh, it's actually just called ntp
609 [08:54:02] <jaggz> ah
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611 [08:54:14] <node1> yes ntp is running but it uses local hardware clock time
612 [08:54:19] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: how does that answer my question? this is about a full automated install
613 [08:54:40] <TheBigK02> AquaL1te: yes? that should give u hints how to automate ur installation? isnt that what u want?
614 [08:54:42] <jaggz> I don't like ntpd anymore anyway. for years it hits a bunch of servers that I don't even have configured in its file. and it hits them way too frequently, and it's ignoring the minimum time between updates that I set in my config.
615 [08:54:51] <node1> I have set to 127.0.1.1
616 [08:55:20] <jaggz> I got so frustrated messing around with it to try to figure out why it's doing this that I got rid of it and just use ntpdate from cron (nice jumps in time I'm sure)
617 [08:55:46] <AquaL1te> TheBigK02: a full automated install != answer automated questsions for debian package installs. is it me? or is the debian community passive aggressive all the time? :)
618 [08:56:04] <jelly-home> node1, so you already have a ntp service. It doesn't really matter what source it's configured to trust, doesn't make sense to have two running at the same time really.
619 [08:56:09] <node1> TheBigK02, Please find this replaced-url
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621 [08:56:52] <TheBigK02> i completely misunderstood u AquaL1te
622 [08:56:57] <node1> I think timedatectl shows my ntp services.
623 [08:57:11] <somiaj> AquaL1te: there are ways to pre-answer the debconf questions, though looking up the details
624 [08:57:12] <TheBigK02> package install.. not debian install... i was wrong... my fault
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626 [08:58:02] <somiaj> AquaL1te: this seems to have some info about creating a file you can then use debconf-set-selections with (you do have to know the questions in advanced though)
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628 [08:58:21] <node1> Okay so you have any idea how to set with CDT time ?
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631 [08:58:31] <no_gravity> Good Morning
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633 [08:59:00] <no_gravity> I want to reset all options/preferences in LibreOffice. What would be a good way to do that?
634 [08:59:46] <jelly> node1, changing the timezone does not change the system clock, timezones are just a cosmetic view.
635 [08:59:48] <jelly> !timezone
636 [08:59:48] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
637 [08:59:52] <AquaL1te> somiaj: thanks! i'll have a look, that might indeed be it
638 [08:59:52] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: remove ur config from ur homedir? but may be do a backup before if u regret ur decision :D
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641 [09:00:34] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Where is that config?
642 [09:00:38] <node1> Okay but i would like to sync with CDT time as my remote vm's are running in CDT time zone.
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644 [09:01:10] <jelly> node1, it's the same time, just shown differently
645 [09:01:28] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: i found something .config/libreoffice... but there might be more
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647 [09:01:41] <jaggz> what is a template service? can't find an explanation
648 [09:01:44] <jelly> the dpkg bot just told you how to change it ^
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650 [09:01:57] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: I see. Lets see what happens when I do "mv libreoffice libreoffice_old"
651 [09:02:00] <node1> Alright but i want to make it more user friendly and human readable. So i'm asking how to make my local vm into CDT time zone.
652 [09:02:11] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: thats a good way about it
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655 [09:02:19] <lupulo> hi
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657 [09:02:22] <jelly> node1, <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata".
658 [09:02:31] <node1> It should show me in CDT time for that where shall i make configuration
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661 [09:02:39] <no_gravity> TheBigK02: Looks like it worked. Thanks!
662 [09:02:48] <TheBigK02> no_gravity: always welcome :)
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665 [09:03:32] <node1> jelly, There are so many options? which option is suited for CDT time?
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667 [09:04:10] <node1> CDT is for centeral US ?
668 [09:04:24] <TheBigK02> node1: i gogled it, yes it seems like :)
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670 [09:04:40] <jaggz> oh, hey, list-unit-files shows my service
671 [09:05:01] <TheBigK02> jaggz: congrats :)
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679 [09:09:04] <jaggz> :)
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681 [09:09:17] <jaggz> of course, I can't connect to the port, and systemctl says it's dead
682 [09:11:40] <jaggz> hm
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684 [09:12:55] <jaggz> "Got no socket"
685 [09:15:20] <jelly> node1, I don't know all the timezones, sorry. Porbably best to pick a country/city
686 [09:15:40] <jaggz> TheBigK02, restarting the testport.socket worked.. can connect now
687 [09:15:47] <jaggz> mpg123 is segfaulting.. that's pleasant
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689 [09:16:21] <TheBigK02> jaggz: u got this. i believe :D
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699 [09:24:58] <AquaL1te> to add to my previous question about answering debian package questions, ansible has a nice module for that: replaced-url
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705 [09:29:43] <jaggz> TheBigK02, not yet. got other issues. after one connect the port no longer opens.
706 [09:29:54] <jaggz> Restart=always doesn't fix that either
707 [09:30:01] <jaggz> man.. inetd was so easy
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711 [09:33:18] <jaggz> yikes. okay, disabling and re-enabling got it to work. and now it restarts and the port is available repeatedly
712 [09:33:36] <jaggz> sound doesn't play (it might not have the env vars set for it to connect to the proper sound dev/server)
713 [09:34:15] <jaggz> BUT, now I have a neat issue. the connect runs a script that should just run and exit, but when I connected once.. that worked.. (telnet localhost 7770) .. then a second time and it stayed connected
714 [09:34:20] <jaggz> that's.. weird
715 [09:34:43] <jaggz> lol.. finally it gave up: Speech Dispatcher failed to say messageInvalid language en-US!
716 [09:35:02] <jaggz> got that from my client telnet side :)
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723 [09:48:32] <jaggz> finally. got it all working. Restart=always isn't proper either; that re-runs my script until it maxes out (5 count). so it alerts 5 times :)
724 [09:48:37] <jaggz> on-abort is proper there
725 [09:48:39] <jaggz> I think
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2810 [10:53:36] <berkhan> Hi channel! I was looking at the /etc/hosts file. I already set `127.0.0.1 example.org` but the software queries DNS from DHCP recommended DNS servers. I'm currently on Debian Buster. I checked systemd-resolve but it is not running/enabled. I restarted the `networking` service but nothing happened.
2811 [10:54:34] <berkhan> Currently using Wireshark to monitor the trafic
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2813 [10:55:05] <ratrace> berkhan: what software? what's in your /etc/nsswitch.conf for the "hosts:" entry?
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2815 [10:55:46] <ratrace> and to be clear I understood what you said ... you have 127.0.0.1 example org in your hosts, but some software is resolving "example.org" by querying the DHCP designated NS servers, correct?
2816 [10:55:55] <ratrace> ie. it's not returning 127.0.0.1 for example.org?
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2818 [10:56:36] <berkhan> ratrace: It's a property software. `/etc/nsswitch.conf` includes `hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname`
2819 [10:57:05] <berkhan> When I ping example.org, I get 127.0.0.1. So, I can say that /etc/hosts is working
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2823 [10:58:51] <ratrace> berkhan: right, so whatever proprietary software you're using there, eiter has its own DNS caching, or does resolving diffrently from asking glibc like it should.
2824 [10:59:15] <ratrace> berkhan: or is that containerized/namespaced application and there's different DNS/nsswitch settings in the namespace?
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2827 [11:01:07] <berkhan> ratrace: it might have its own DNS caching. because I double checked with ping utility and Firefox. I see 127.0.0.1 when I visit/ping example.org. The software is not containerized/namespaced application.
2828 [11:01:34] <berkhan> ratrace: but thanks for help!
2829 [11:03:06] <ratrace> berkhan: keep in mind that DoH (DNS over HTTPS) is now all the rage, and it might be doing that instead of regular DNS query
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2831 [11:04:15] <berkhan> ratrace: I turned off the DoH in Firefox and looked at the interface usage with Wireshark. I see "something" still queries proprietary.org...
2832 [11:04:38] <berkhan> ratrace: then I better look at something else :)
2833 [11:04:50] <berkhan> other than /etc/hosts or /etc/nsswitch.conf
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2836 [11:10:38] <styx-tdo> hi, i try to re-configure packages with debconf, in this case locales. I run debconf-get-selections | egrep '^locales' to get values, this looks fine. Then I run the output thru debconf-set-selection
2837 [11:10:53] <styx-tdo> the data is reflected in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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2840 [11:11:31] <styx-tdo> just.. how do I apply this? When running dpkg-reconfigure locales -f noninteractive, it gets values from.. somewhere, but not mine..
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2844 [11:13:27] <styx-tdo> replaced-url
2845 [11:17:06] <styx-tdo> solved. After setting the locales, it is required to run rm /etc/locale.gen; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive locales
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2850 [11:21:21] <nicoz> hi
2851 [11:21:29] <luna> hi
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2854 [11:21:47] <nicoz> i have a error in upgrade
2855 [11:21:50] <nicoz> replaced-url
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2857 [11:23:18] <nicoz> I do not detect keyboard problems, but on the terminal it gives me these messages, looking a bit on the web I saw that it is a bug ... is there a solution?
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2864 [11:26:45] <styx-tdo> dpkg-reconfigure console-data may help
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2898 [11:48:23] <EmleyMoor> Is there a way to read QR codes with my webcam, so that I can then paste the decoding into a web page?
2899 [11:50:01] <Mathisen> ,info zbar
2900 [11:50:02] <judd> No package named 'zbar' was found in buster/amd64.
2901 [11:50:48] <Mathisen> ,info zbar-tools
2902 [11:50:51] <judd> Package zbar-tools (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: bar code scanner and decoder (utilities). Version: 0.22-1; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 89k; Homepage: replaced-url
2903 [11:50:59] <Mathisen> EmleyMoor,
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2913 [11:56:32] <EmleyMoor> Seems useless... doesn't recognise it
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2975 [12:59:36] <dob1> does the debian cd comes with mksqualsh ?
2976 [12:59:44] <dob1> or at least is installable in live ?
2977 [12:59:50] <dob1> mksquash
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2999 [13:19:54] <HannaM> -_- ... replaced-url
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3003 [13:20:55] <jelly-home> ,i nginx
3004 [13:20:58] <judd> Package nginx (httpd, optional) in buster/amd64: small, powerful, scalable web/proxy server. Version: 1.14.2-2+deb10u3; Size: 86.3k; Installed: 98k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3006 [13:21:29] <HannaM> arg! the error is everywhere.. =)
3007 [13:21:47] <jelly-home> that's from the same source.
3008 [13:21:54] <HannaM> you don't say ..
3009 [13:22:05] <HannaM> just wanted to be funny
3010 [13:22:20] <jelly-home> looks like someone blindly replaced http with https there, if you go to replaced-url
3011 [13:22:39] <jelly-home> "funny" doesn't translate well over irc, sorry
3012 [13:23:02] <HannaM> yeah, that's why I said "misconfigured" - who can change this at the source? the package maintainer only?
3013 [13:24:35] <jelly-home> yes, but anyone can report the bad url as a bug against the package
3014 [13:24:45] <jelly-home> replaced-url
3015 [13:24:46] <HannaM> I see
3016 [13:24:54] <jelly-home> !reportbug
3017 [13:24:54] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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3061 [14:13:06] <short-bike> On a fresh install of 10 as a libvirt guest and using debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso as the installer, running 'sudo apt-get update' throws an error > E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 10.7.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20201205-11:17] buster Release' does not have a Release file. Google hits and man pages are not helping. A pointer here would be appreciated. TY
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3063 [14:14:40] <zykotick9> short-bike: edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a valid mirror, you might think about commenting out the CDROM lines (if you don't use CDs)
3064 [14:16:05] <short-bike> zykotick9: Thank you much. I'll do that.
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3070 [14:18:55] <jelly> !buster sources.list
3071 [14:18:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
3072 [14:19:08] <jelly> short-bike, ^
3073 [14:19:18] <short-bike> Looking at that now.
3074 [14:20:24] <short-bike> jelly: Thanks.
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3076 [14:20:25] <jelly> the cdrom entry is left in /etc/apt/sources.list if a mirror isn't selected during the install process (usually if there's no internet connectivity)
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3078 [14:21:12] <jelly> it's only useful for no-internet situations, air gapped installs and upgrades, so it's safe to comment it out or delete it completely
3079 [14:21:50] <short-bike> IIRC I selected 'use mirror0 during the install. Debian.org I think.
3080 [14:22:14] <short-bike> s/'use mirror*
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3089 [14:31:03] <short-bike> This is how /etc/apt/source.list looks now. Is there anything else I need to add/amend ? Thank you. -> replaced-url
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3091 [14:32:30] <Franciman> It's friday then! I am gonna bisect the kernel yeh!
3092 [14:32:53] <Franciman> I am three commits away from finding the cause of my wifi misbehaviour
3093 [14:33:14] <Franciman> finally I will be able to have a top notch debian
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3099 [14:36:29] <henko> I'm fighting with SANE support for my printer. My advise... when you buy a laser printer look air Airprint compatiblity...
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3101 [14:38:39] <Franciman> henko, let us keep our fight for freedom
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3103 [14:38:59] <Franciman> big corps find all types of tricks to breach the free software movement
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3110 [14:42:30] <ratrace> what's a "printer"? hint-hint, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more, say no more.
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3114 [14:42:54] <henko> yeah.. btw OEMs are now vendor-locking EPYCs to their hardware... sometimes it feels like one step forward and two steps back :(
3115 [14:43:14] <henko> ratrace: well technically a MFP :)
3116 [14:44:00] <henko> I think scanning as a feature will prevail printing for sure :D
3117 [14:44:09] <ratrace> what do you mean "vendor locking EPYCs"?
3118 [14:44:48] <henko> When you buy a Lenovo or Dell Server with an EPYC CPU in it... it is tied cryptographically to this specific hardware
3119 [14:45:08] <ratrace> are you talking about EFI firmware requiring signed SecureBoot(tm) thing?
3120 [14:45:14] <henko> Maybe even more Manufacturers will jump on that bandwagon.. I hope not
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3122 [14:46:05] <henko> replaced-url
3123 [14:46:36] <ratrace> oh... "swell"
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3131 [14:54:07] <tinga> Is there a proper/somewhat straightforward way to find out of a file system is on an SSD or not (HDD, network..)?
3132 [14:54:54] <remline> tinga: maybe try lsblk -f
3133 [14:54:56] <tinga> Or, even better, have a way to read some IOPs estimate.
3134 [14:55:02] <tinga> checking
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3136 [14:55:21] <karlpinc> tinga: iostat, in the sysstat package.
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3138 [14:56:29] <ratrace> if the hardware is virtualized, there's no way to find, from a guest VM, where the host is storing the VM's disk or otherwise mounted filesystem
3139 [14:56:44] <echoSMILE> What do I need to enable touchpad buttons (3) at 10.9 with XFCE ?
3140 [14:57:00] <tinga> Doesn't iostat just represent the currently used tps? I'd like to get an estimate of what the disk is *capable* of.
3141 [14:57:10] <ratrace> but maybe iops and throughput is what you really want to know, regardless of what the storage really is?
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3144 [14:57:27] <tinga> Also, I need it in a quick manner, so that a program can check on startup and decide, oh that's an SSD, so I'll use a different approach.
3145 [14:57:33] <ratrace> tinga: you can run fio benchmarks for example
3146 [14:57:48] <ratrace> this smells like !xy
3147 [14:57:51] <ratrace> !xy
3148 [14:57:51] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
3149 [14:57:53] <tinga> So, IOPs judgement from the kernel would be ideal (IIRC the kernel does that detection itself, too)
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3153 [14:58:52] <tinga> ratrace, yes, I just want to know if the backing storage will do more than say 5000 IOPs or not.
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3157 [15:02:52] <ratrace> at _that_ particular moment.
3158 [15:06:31] <wintersky> i need some assistsance in creating a vbox deb file
3159 [15:07:08] <wintersky> they use kmk so it's not that simple to use checkinstall
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3170 [15:14:53] <henko> ratrace: is there a way too print all the "!<name>" commands here in IRC so I can read them myself?
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3179 [15:20:25] <ratrace> henko: /msg dpkg help
3180 [15:20:28] <ratrace> henko: also: replaced-url
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3182 [15:21:33] <henko> ty
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3184 [15:22:49] <sig_9> .
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3206 [15:40:41] <jelly> tinga, kernel can see whether a locally-connected block dev is on rotational media or ssd.
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3208 [15:41:47] <tinga> jelly, yep, I was just told about /sys/block/$dev/queue/rotational in another channel. Thanks!
3209 [15:41:58] <tinga> Still looking into how that info behaves in the face of LVM etc.
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3215 [15:50:07] <jelly> but that won't tell you whether a device can do 5k iops. Only a benchmark can,
3216 [15:50:45] <wintersky> replaced-url
3217 [15:50:47] <wintersky> any clues?
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3219 [15:50:56] <wintersky> i'm pinning the vbox package
3220 [15:51:02] <wintersky> from sid on debian 11
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3222 [15:53:45] <jelly> tinga, my lvm is on a md raid1 which has one ssd member and one hdd write-mostly member, now what? :-D
3223 [15:55:00] <tinga> I don't know, but if the kernel is collecting that info for algorithmic decisions for reading it will reasonably report this as non-rotational.
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3225 [15:55:18] <tinga> If it's about writing speed with sync, then as rotational.
3226 [15:55:32] <tinga> So yes, will have to figure out more.
3227 [15:56:17] <tinga> jelly, BTW interesting setup you've got here, does it work well?
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3232 [15:57:17] <tinga> I guess (if the kernel prefers the SSD for reading) for a laptop/desktop that should work well--not many writes, and reads are fast.
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3234 [15:57:55] <tinga> I expect apt install will be slow though :)
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3238 [16:01:17] <jelly> ,i eatmydata
3239 [16:01:18] <judd> Package eatmydata (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Library and utilities designed to disable fsync and friends. Version: 105-7; Size: 15.4k; Installed: 30k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3241 [16:02:03] <jelly> ^ if you think there will be no kernel crash, fs or hw error or power loss, you can wrap apt in that
3242 [16:02:20] <jelly> not recommended for production use
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3245 [16:03:00] <tinga> Oh, heh, nice, thanks for the tip.
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3258 [16:14:01] <dinamr> tinga: can you highlight me pls? for a test.
3259 [16:14:17] <tinga> dinamr, sure
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3278 [16:28:42] <dinamr> thanks
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3294 [16:50:19] <MrTrick> I have a strange makefile, expecting to call a command `shell`? What is this supposed to be?
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3298 [16:52:52] <MrTrick> hmm, wait that's not it either... For some reason this 'stop-server' command doesn't actually stop the processes.
3299 [16:52:52] <MrTrick> replaced-url
3300 [16:53:50] <imMute> MrTrick: in Make, $() is not a shell command, it's a make command. like $(filter-out ...)
3301 [16:54:22] <imMute> so to make it do a real shell command, you have to invoke the make command that does a shell: $(shell cat /etc/passwd)
3302 [16:54:39] <imMute> because $(cat /etc/passwd) would be trying to invoke a *make* command called cat, which doesn't exist.
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3305 [16:54:48] <HannaM> MrTrick: replaced-url
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3308 [16:56:54] <MrTrick> ah cheers
3309 [16:57:06] <HannaM> yes, the subtle details ...
3310 [16:57:15] <MrTrick> hmm, the 'cut' invocation is wrong, a leading space means it returns no output.
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3317 [17:02:57] <echoSMILE> After every debian instalation I change at /etc/apt/sources.list the string from "buster-updates" to "buster" am I doing it wrong or work the same way?
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3319 [17:04:22] <imMute> echoSMILE: that doesn't sound right.... what are you trying to do?
3320 [17:04:53] <echoSMILE> imMute: just using network mirrors
3321 [17:06:44] <imMute> but why are you modifying the sources.list after install? what's wrong with the one that the installer left there?
3322 [17:06:47] <echoSMILE> the default entries has "buster-updates" or "buster/updates" string now I am confused, and I change it to only "buster"
3323 [17:07:19] <echoSMILE> imMute: I think the apt can't work properly with the default ones. Or I am make some confusion
3324 [17:07:48] <imMute> echoSMILE: that would be really stupid if the debian installer left apt broken. so I think you're mistaken.
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3326 [17:08:29] <echoSMILE> Sure. Can you confirm which string is to put it back?
3327 [17:10:08] <imMute> deb replaced-url
3328 [17:10:15] <imMute> is what one of my systems has
3329 [17:10:39] <imMute> I think it changed recently, and maybe both work now (my Linode has both configured for some reason)
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3332 [17:11:57] <imMute> replaced-url
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3334 [17:12:05] <echoSMILE> imMute: not the security but the others, but what I see at wiki can be used both?
3335 [17:12:13] <echoSMILE> replaced-url
3336 [17:12:33] <echoSMILE> s/can/need to
3337 [17:12:59] <imMute> it looks like the security repo uses foo/updates while the other one uses foo-updates.
3338 [17:13:02] <oxek> !buster sources.list
3339 [17:13:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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3341 [17:14:47] <echoSMILE> replaced-url
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3343 [17:15:12] <imMute> yes, they're two separate repos
3344 [17:15:44] <echoSMILE> Tks
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3353 [17:26:23] <somiaj> echoSMILE: foo-updates can provide you with bug fixes before they come via a point release, so useful to have, but if you don't, you'll end up getting any fixes there with point releases
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3358 [17:31:06] <echoSMILE> somiaj: tks
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3360 [17:31:30] <dob1> I have an old pc where I installed debian stable, xfce4 / openbox / other tests but there is no way I can use the mouse but I don't see the mouse pointer
3361 [17:31:35] <dob1> the mouse arrow
3362 [17:31:38] <echoSMILE> Would be cool if the firefox devs could add the features "allways https" options (just saying)
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3364 [17:33:13] <dob1> I can press mouse buttons, they work but no mouse pointer and the mouse is not broken
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3366 [17:35:38] <ratrace> echoSMILE: there's an extension tho
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3368 [17:36:45] <EdePopede> dob1: could it just be an empty icon?
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3370 [17:37:26] <dob1> EdePopede, I don't know, I didn't modify anything. It's just installed.
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3372 [17:37:49] <EdePopede> dob1: changing the cursor theme may change it
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3374 [17:38:09] <dob1> EdePopede, how can I do it?
3375 [17:38:12] <EdePopede> but it sounds strange, yes.
3376 [17:38:14] <EdePopede> err...
3377 [17:38:22] <dob1> I cannot move anything
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3379 [17:38:53] <echoSMILE> ratrace: Yeah, but...
3380 [17:38:53] <oxek> echoSMILE: that pref already exists in non-ESR firefox versions
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3382 [17:39:00] <oxek> plus there's HTTPS Everywhere extension
3383 [17:39:18] <echoSMILE> oxek: I know, that's the reason I told that
3384 [17:39:33] <EdePopede> dob1: alt-f1 → settings → mouse&touchpad → themes
3385 [17:39:37] <echoSMILE> oxek: I like vanilla flavour :D
3386 [17:39:48] <oxek> it's not clear what you mean echoSMILE
3387 [17:39:52] <dob1> EdePopede, from xfce ?
3388 [17:39:58] <EdePopede> yip
3389 [17:40:02] <dob1> I try
3390 [17:41:49] <echoSMILE> I just installed debian in a laptop that I am pretty sure the buttons from touchpad worked by default, but not now. Any idea?
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3393 [17:43:38] <dob1> EdePopede, nothing. I can "drag" the mouse too and I see the area I am creating (I hope is clear) but no pointer
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3395 [17:44:26] <EdePopede> dob1: got a live system? or mouse support in the bios?
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3397 [17:44:54] <dob1> EdePopede, no, it's an very old pc
3398 [17:45:41] <dob1> but I have to say the debian "lenny" or older runs on it and it was nice
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3400 [17:46:06] <dob1> to be clear, now I am using buster
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3402 [17:46:42] <dob1> it was better with the old debian
3403 [17:46:56] <EdePopede> you had a visible mouse cursor ;)
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3405 [17:47:35] <dob1> what was the name of the mouse support in framebuffer? I wanna try it if it works there
3406 [17:47:38] <dob1> I don't remember the name
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3408 [17:47:45] <dob1> gdx
3409 [17:47:51] <towo`> gpm
3410 [17:47:54] <dob1> ah ok
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3413 [17:48:42] <dob1> it works non framebuffer
3414 [17:49:07] <dob1> but not on xorg.... damn
3415 [17:50:18] <towo`> why should gpm works on x?
3416 [17:50:29] <towo`> x has it's own mouse
3417 [17:51:54] <dob1> yes, but I can confirm mouse is ok
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3453 [18:26:05] <dmt> gpm indeed :) for tty
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3456 [18:26:55] <dmt> debian 7 for example has problems with SSL in browsers like links2
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3479 [18:44:16] <Casper26> Is there a way to reinstall grub from the Debian live cd?
3480 [18:44:24] <somiaj> !fixmbr
3481 [18:44:24] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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3483 [18:45:26] <somiaj> note if you use the debian install cd in rescue mode, and state your root partition, it will do all the mounting/chrooting for you
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3485 [18:48:22] <Casper26> Process the same if /bbot is seperate partition?
3486 [18:48:38] <somiaj> you'll have to mount /target/boot as part
3487 [18:48:49] <Casper26> Thank you
3488 [18:49:09] <somiaj> baislcaly you'll have to mount enough of your filesystem tree to have the binaries you need to run/install grub, so you if /usr, /var, etc are aslso seperate partitions should mount those
3489 [18:49:33] <somiaj> you don't really need to mount /home for this process since you will do it as root and won't need anything in /home, but it can't hurt
3490 [18:49:58] <Casper26> Just /boot and /home are seperate
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3492 [18:50:09] <somiaj> you need to mount /boot, /home is optional
3493 [18:50:18] <Casper26> Got it
3494 [18:50:23] <Casper26> Thanks again
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3547 [19:59:24] <hsn> buster is latest debian release?
3548 [19:59:46] <nkuttler> yes
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3551 [20:00:10] <hsn> thanks
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3592 [20:44:08] <netcrash> Hello, Was there any change in mariadb server 10.3 recently regarding connection timeouts?
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3595 [20:48:24] <sney> nope, most recent mariadb-10.3 upload was in October
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3605 [21:02:57] <alexrelis[m]> Is there a way to restore just a single file with Deja-Dup?
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3627 [21:28:31] <Fish-Guts> Hi. not sure i'm in the right place. i'm running debian 10 and installed apache2 webserver. port 80 is open yet the server is not accessible from outside. what can I check?
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3629 [21:28:54] <sney> hi Fish-Guts, this is the right place.
3630 [21:29:09] <sney> what do you mean "from outside"? is this webserver on your local network?
3631 [21:29:54] <Fish-Guts> no, it's an external server. connection to port 80 works directly on the server but not from my local machine
3632 [21:30:00] <Fish-Guts> netstat shows tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN -
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3634 [21:30:20] <sney> that's ipv6 only, are you connecting over ipv6?
3635 [21:30:45] <Dagger> v6 sockets listening on :: can accept v4 connections, provided that net.ipv6.bindv6only is left at its default value of 0
3636 [21:31:02] <Fish-Guts> hold let me check
3637 [21:31:09] <sney> sorry, :: is ipv6 *localhost*.
3638 [21:31:36] <Dagger> :: is "any address", not localhost. localhost is ::1
3639 [21:31:42] <Fish-Guts> I did try setting the bind to 0.0.0.0:80 to specifcally listen to ipv4 connections
3640 [21:32:06] <sney> derp, I haven't looked at inet6 in a while
3641 [21:32:17] <Fish-Guts> :)
3642 [21:33:07] <Fish-Guts> my apache ports.conf is using the default setting: Listen 80
3643 [21:34:13] <Fish-Guts> i think it may be a permission issue since calling it directly on the server returns a 403
3644 [21:34:33] <Fish-Guts> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
3645 [21:34:34] <Fish-Guts> 2021-04-09 21:33:48 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
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3647 [21:36:23] <Dagger> if you can't connect, the problem isn't that the HTTP queries you would've sent if you could connect would've returned a 403
3648 [21:36:28] <Dagger> the problem is that you can't connect
3649 [21:36:38] <Fish-Guts> true
3650 [21:36:58] <Fish-Guts> ufw status returns replaced-url
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3654 [21:41:05] <Fish-Guts> i switched the binding back to ipv4 just in case. same result
3655 [21:41:06] <Fish-Guts> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 19296/apache2
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3665 [21:49:46] <jhutchins> What is it with people breaking things with firewall tools this week?
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3670 [21:50:31] <sney> this week?
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3672 [21:52:17] <jhutchins> sney: Yeah, seems to have been daily.
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3688 [21:57:30] <hansol> guys, i have made changes in /etc/network/interfaces
3689 [21:57:43] <hansol> how to restart network to load new changes ?
3690 [21:58:06] <greycat> Depends on what you changed. The BEST way is to down the interface BEFORE making the changes, then change, then up the interface.
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3692 [21:58:36] <greycat> If you converted an interface from dhcp to static, without downing it beforehand, then there'll be a running DHCP client daemon you'll need to stop by hand.
3693 [21:58:59] <greycat> Apart from that, though, it's basically just "ifdown foo" and "ifup foo".
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3695 [22:00:09] <jhutchins> Isn't there a networking service you can restart?
3696 [22:00:33] <hansol> i dont know i changed from dhcp to stastic
3697 [22:00:45] <hansol> then what i have to restart the netwroking ?
3698 [22:00:59] <greycat> ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the dhcp client daemon and kill it
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3700 [22:01:08] <greycat> not necessarily in that order
3701 [22:01:19] <hansol> so ?
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3703 [22:01:25] <snowflake> latest stable
3704 [22:01:37] <jhutchins> snowflake: buster
3705 [22:01:51] <snowflake> (oh, sorry, I didn't scroll down) :D
3706 [22:02:17] <hansol> i have to restart whole machine ?
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3708 [22:02:26] <greycat> ifdown, ifup, and find the PID of the dhcp client daemon and kill it
3709 [22:02:53] <hansol> ifdown command not found
3710 [22:02:58] <greycat> !buster su
3711 [22:02:59] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
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3713 [22:03:27] <hansol> greycat understand now
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3715 [22:05:56] <hansol> guys, what mean mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000 ?
3716 [22:06:43] <hansol> im using vmware strange but i cannot see a network adapter in connections like before for vmware
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3721 [22:12:58] <tomreyn> isnt it ip set down / ip set up nowadays
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3723 [22:13:23] <greycat> that doesn't read the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces which is Debian specific and uses Debian tools: ifup and ifdown
3724 [22:13:37] <tomreyn> oh ok
3725 [22:13:49] <greycat> if you're trying to bypass Debian's stuff and operate on the raw interface by hand, then yes, you use the ip command
3726 [22:14:06] <Fish-Guts> i have now reinstalled apache2 completely and set the permission correclty - still cannot connect from outside
3727 [22:14:45] <tomreyn> Fish-Guts: based on your previous reports, the problem is anywhere outside of this system
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3729 [22:16:47] <imMute> tomreyn: the stuff using the ip command directly set kernel configuration. all the networking tools (ifupdown, NetworkManager, networkd, etc) all use that interface too
3730 [22:17:02] <Fish-Guts> hmm strange. i mean it's plain port 80. it's open according to ufw status. i remember that tomcat has restrictions on running port 80 as non-root - does apache have similar restrictions?
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3732 [22:17:34] <greycat> you said it doesn't connect from other system -- does it work if you connect to localhost? if so, then it's listening on port 80.
3733 [22:17:48] <tomreyn> imMute: thanks, got it
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3739 [22:18:45] <imMute> greycat: it might be listening on localhost:80 instead of 0.0.0.0:80 though. still a good first check
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3741 [22:19:19] <Fish-Guts> greycat: yes on the shell on the server connection to localhost if fine
3742 [22:19:19] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Apache does not have default restrictions that I recall, but it does have allow/deny settings in several places.
3743 [22:19:48] <Fish-Guts> from my local shell to the remote http server i get timeouts
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3745 [22:20:25] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins ok i'll check the conf, hold on
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3749 [22:21:11] <tomreyn> how are you testing from your local shell
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3751 [22:21:47] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn with a wget against the hostname / IP
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3754 [22:22:12] <tomreyn> use nc -vv ip.address.of.server 80
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3756 [22:22:50] <tomreyn> it will either sit there and do nothing or say that it connected fine, and then just sit there
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3758 [22:22:58] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn no response (timeout)
3759 [22:23:10] <tomreyn> that fast?
3760 [22:23:17] <Fish-Guts> well not really a timeout - just sittin there
3761 [22:23:20] <Fish-Guts> doing nothing
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3763 [22:23:52] <jhutchins> wget should work, should retrieve the index.html or give a permissions error as opposed to timing out.
3764 [22:23:54] <tomreyn> so your client is unable to setup a tcp conection to port 80 on the given ip address
3765 [22:24:28] <Fish-Guts> tomreyn that would be my guess yes, i just can't figure out why - the port is open
3766 [22:24:42] <tomreyn> possible reasons there include a firewall (which can be between systems, not just on the target system)
3767 [22:24:52] <Fish-Guts> i'll check from another server
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3770 [22:25:02] <johnfg> hi folks
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3772 [22:25:07] <tomreyn> no, the port is closed, at least as seen from your client
3773 [22:25:18] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Might want to see what nmap says.
3774 [22:25:31] <johnfg> Getting some errors concerning a pkg from apt update/upgrade.
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3776 [22:26:44] <johnfg> libenchant1c2a : Depends: libhunspell-1.4-0 but it is not installable
3777 [22:26:44] <jhutchins> johnfg: "Getting some errors ..." is an utterly useless statement.
3778 [22:26:46] <johnfg> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
3779 [22:27:09] <johnfg> I know that, I'm a bit slow - multi-tasking.
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3783 [22:27:45] <Iarfen> hi!
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3787 [22:28:04] <jhutchins> johnfg: There should be more to it than that. Does it say what package?
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3789 [22:28:34] <jhutchins> johnfg: Does it say what error it's trying to correct? What's in the log?
3790 [22:28:42] <johnfg> jhutchins: libenchant1c2a/unknown 1.6.1-1+0~20210212.1+debian9~1.gbp73138d amd64 [upgradable from: 1.6.0-11.1+b1]
3791 [22:29:22] <greycat> ,v libenchant1c2a
3792 [22:29:23] <judd> Package: libenchant1c2a on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.0-10.1; stretch: 1.6.0-11+b1; buster: 1.6.0-11.1+b1
3793 [22:29:26] <johnfg> followed by: N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it
3794 [22:29:38] <greycat> johnfg: you've got non-Debian sources.
3795 [22:30:06] <johnfg> greycat: Should I remove it then?
3796 [22:30:14] <Fish-Guts> nmap output is interesting. says one open port, not 80
3797 [22:31:14] <johnfg> How do I find what's using libenchant1c2a?
3798 [22:31:33] <greycat> One way to do it is to try to remove it, and see what else apt would have to remove to achieve that. Then just say no.
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3800 [22:32:25] <johnfg> greycat: Thanks, I'll do that and report back.
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3807 [22:35:13] <johnfg> greycat: replaced-url
3808 [22:35:43] <johnfg> I think it has to do with aspell.
3809 [22:35:56] <greycat> that... makes a punnish sort of sense.
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3815 [22:39:51] <johnfg> Is there a way I can switch to the debian version, while uninstalling the other?
3816 [22:41:10] <greycat> Purge it, fix sources.list if needed, then install it.
3817 [22:41:26] <greycat> it's not like your system is going to explode if you purge aspell
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3819 [22:42:06] <johnfg> Oh, so purge aspell. It won't try to uninstall all that stuff I showed in my paste?
3820 [22:42:22] <Fish-Guts> something else is interesting - when I disable the firewall i get an instant "connection refused" error when connecting to the server on port 80 -when i enable the firewall is won't connect but still not saying anything
3821 [22:42:44] <greycat> I didn't look at your thing. dpaste is one of those sites that you can't view in curl AFAIK.
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3823 [22:43:16] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: paste.debian.net
3824 [22:43:33] <jhutchins> Re, johnfg
3825 [22:43:41] <johnfg> It was the libenchant pkg that wanted to uninstall a lot!
3826 [22:43:51] <johnfg> jhutchins: paste there instead?
3827 [22:44:01] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Ok, the "connection refused" should log something.
3828 [22:44:14] <jhutchins> johnfg: If you want greycat to look at it, yes.
3829 [22:44:52] <greycat> it might be helpful (or not) if you said what your non-Debian sources were, so we have some clue what we're dealing with
3830 [22:44:52] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins well yeah when the firewall is disabled it refuses all connections - seem natural to me
3831 [22:45:12] <johnfg> replaced-url
3832 [22:45:14] <machine_1490> Hi, lately I've been getting some mce errors (replaced-url
3833 [22:45:14] <machine_1490> kernel from around six months ago? Thanks!
3834 [22:45:31] <greycat> !snapshot
3835 [22:45:31] <dpkg> replaced-url
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3839 [22:49:22] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: pastebin your ports.conf
3840 [22:49:28] <hansol> guys, i can see on router the linux ip but i dont have internet on the linux machine
3841 [22:49:43] <machine_1490> That's great! How do I find the kernel in use in Debian 10 in September with that site?
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3843 [22:50:01] <machine_1490> September 2020
3844 [22:50:07] <jhutchins> hansol: Insufficient data.
3845 [22:50:14] <greycat> I suppose you can read the changelog of the kernel you already have, and see which version was uploaded around September.
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3847 [22:50:26] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins: replaced-url
3848 [22:50:44] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: I'll be a minute.
3849 [22:50:49] <johnfg> replaced-url
3850 [22:50:52] <Fish-Guts> no worries
3851 [22:51:39] <hansol> jhutchins what that means
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3856 [22:54:15] <greycat> johnfg: so what happens when you purge the offending library, and did you track down the non-Debian source it's coming from, or are you intentionally hiding that from us?
3857 [22:55:07] <yetoo> I am trying to see if my current SSD model was blacklisted for the kernel current buster is based off of buster (uname -r says 4.9.0-4-amd64 (based off of 4.9.0 I assume)). How can I check drivers/ata/libata-core.c in the debian repository as I don't see it. My ssd isn't technically listed in the 4.9 or master but the standard variant is for just 4.9 and I;m curious
3858 [22:55:34] <johnfg> greycat: No, not hiding anything. Did you see what I pasted as to what would be removed if I did an apt remove libenchant1c2a? And my sources.list is pretty clean.
3859 [22:55:40] <greycat> 4.9 is a stretch kernel; buster is on 4.19
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3861 [22:56:02] <greycat> johnfg: sources.list.d/ then. it's gotta be coming from *somewhere*.
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3863 [22:56:21] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Mine just has Listen 80
3864 [22:56:32] <johnfg> The only thing that's not debian, I guess, is the docker line: deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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3866 [22:56:41] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins doesn't work either - tried both settings
3867 [22:56:53] <johnfg> Is that okay, as I run (or ddev does) docker?
3868 [22:57:02] <greycat> Not touching that with a 10 foot pole.
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3870 [22:57:17] <yetoo> greycat: that's disturbing, lsb_release -a shows Release: 10 and Codename: Buster
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3872 [22:58:25] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: replaced-url
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3876 [22:59:07] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Remember to restart Apache.
3877 [22:59:36] <johnfg> greycat: I do have other lists in sources.list.d, but none of them explicitly refer to that lib.
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3879 [22:59:56] <Fish-Guts> pasted, restarted. same result
3880 [23:00:27] <jhutchins> yetoo: What's special/different about your SSD that it wouldn't be supported by the usual SATA drivers?
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3883 [23:01:13] <jhutchins> johnfg: sources.list is for repositories, not packages.
3884 [23:02:47] <johnfg> jhutchins: Yes, I knew that, but was trying to figure out then where the non-debian pkg was coming from.
3885 [23:02:48] <Fish-Guts> maybe i'll just get rid of ufw and reinstall that one as well
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3887 [23:04:09] <yetoo> jhutchins: Nothing really, it's a Samsung SSD 860 EVO mSATA 500GB but the 4.9 kernel blacklisted Samsung SSD 8* where as master just blacklists Samsung SSD 840* and Samsung SSD 850*. I know these are completely different versions from mine, but I just want to see if somehow there is a blacklist on a 860 range on debian's kernel
3888 [23:05:07] <oxek> is packages.debian.org down for anyone else?
3889 [23:05:37] <sney> nope, downfor.io/packages.debian.org
3890 [23:05:48] <imMute> oxek: page loads, but searching times out
3891 [23:05:52] <oxek> hmm, nice, my ISP is probably blocking debian again then
3892 [23:06:05] <jhutchins> yetoo: I've never heard of drives being blacklisted, so I'm no help.
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3895 [23:07:23] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: You don't have selinux or apparmore enabled, do you?
3896 [23:07:34] <yetoo> jhutchins: it happens due to trim/acpi/interfacing errors that are temporarily/long-term unresolved
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3899 [23:08:23] <johnfg> So, is there anyway, without removing all those programs, like my desktop(!), that I can replace the non-debian pkg with the debian pkg?
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3901 [23:09:04] <greycat> download and install it by hand. if it'll let you.
3902 [23:09:25] <yetoo> I'm going to reboot as I just belatedly installed buster kernel
3903 [23:09:39] <jhutchins> johnfg: I think if you purge it with dpkg it won't remove dependencies.
3904 [23:09:43] <jhutchins> greycat: ?
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3906 [23:09:59] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins apparmor seems to be loaded
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3908 [23:11:07] <Fish-Guts> replaced-url
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3911 [23:11:56] <greycat> jhutchins: It's really not confusing. He would download the .deb from packages.debian.org or wherever, and try to install it with dpkg -i, and see what explodes. I bet it won't be allowed due to dependencies.
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3915 [23:13:05] <johnfg> greycat: jhutchins: Thanks for trying to sort out this mess.
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3921 [23:16:15] <johnfg> replaced-url
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3924 [23:17:14] <greycat> uh... that looks like you didn't actually change anything
3925 [23:17:25] <greycat> (1.6.0-11.1+b1) over (1.6.0-11.1+b1)
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3928 [23:19:00] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: The only thing I know to do with apparmor is remove it. I know a tinybit about selinux.
3929 [23:19:23] <Fish-Guts> selinux doesn't seem to be enable
3930 [23:20:13] <jhutchins> Fish-Guts: Have you looked through the logs yet?
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3932 [23:20:43] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins no i have not. hold on
3933 [23:21:04] <johnfg> greycat: So even though it looked to have installed the debian pkg., it still didn't? Or do I have them both?
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3935 [23:22:46] <greycat> *sigh*
3936 [23:22:48] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins nothing out of the ordinary in the los
3937 [23:22:50] <Fish-Guts> *logs
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3939 [23:22:58] <jhutchins> johnfg: The output of commands, particularly errors, is very important.
3940 [23:23:01] <greycat> johnfg: for once, try actually READING what it says.
3941 [23:23:53] <jhutchins> syslog, auth, messages, access.log, error.log - restart apache and read what that logs.
3942 [23:24:02] <greycat> Go back to the first thing you said, and the first thing I said. You said "it wants to upgrade to this non-Debian version" and I said "you have non-Debian sources".
3943 [23:24:20] <greycat> Now decide what you want to do about that.
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3946 [23:25:22] <johnfg> Should I just move each list out of the sources.list.d, one-by-one, and see which is the offending repo?
3947 [23:25:35] <greycat> *plonk*
3948 [23:25:41] <greycat> Unfuckingbelievable.
3949 [23:25:46] <johnfg> Doing an apt update inbetween?
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3953 [23:28:54] <johnfg> Ok, I got it with the first removal, it was php.list.
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3958 [23:29:56] <greycat> If you're still here, you might want to look at "apt policy libenchant1c2a"
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3960 [23:30:20] <johnfg> Did you think you'd offended me off?
3961 [23:30:27] <johnfg> And I'll look.
3962 [23:31:10] <jhutchins> johnfg: It should be indicated in the package name, but it's not. You could search the web for that package name. You could see what info the package has. Is there a README?
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3965 [23:33:46] <johnfg> jhutchins: If I'm understanding you, and talking about libenchant, there is the info on its packages.debian.org page. Is that what you were referring to?
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3968 [23:37:08] <jhutchins> johnfg: Obviously not, the information on the source page, the information in /usr/share/doc/lib...
3969 [23:37:28] <jhutchins> johnfg: THere are queries you can run against dpkg and apt if they've provided info in the package.
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3977 [23:42:56] <johnfg> I guess, after viewing the README, and getting rid of the offending repo, and not getting any more message about anything being upgradeable, I'll leave well enough alone.
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3979 [23:43:19] <johnfg> Thanks again for helping.
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3981 [23:44:01] <johnfg> jhutchins: Is there anything else you'd recommend in that regards?
3982 [23:45:01] <jhutchins> You should be ok now. You could run apt -f install, but I doubt it'll do anything.
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3985 [23:47:58] <whaf> How can I install the intel driver for a videocard? glxinfo says that lvmpipe is used now.
3986 [23:48:34] <sney> !i915 firmware
3987 [23:48:34] <dpkg> Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others. Ask me about <non-free sources> and install firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
3988 [23:49:06] <Fish-Guts> jhutchins i believe i may be making some headway. i have reset all iptable rules and now i get a direct connections refused error
3989 [23:49:15] <Fish-Guts> it's not just sitting there anymore
3990 [23:49:25] <alexrelis[m]> Okay, side question: why do newer Intel CPUs need firmware when older Intels don't need it?
3991 [23:49:45] <johnfg> jhutchins: Ok.
3992 [23:49:46] <sney> because intel decided they wanted some driver components to be closed source
3993 [23:50:08] <alexrelis[m]> sney: Omg.. that blows.
3994 [23:50:15] <sney> yep!
3995 [23:50:27] <johnfg> jhutchins: Correct, it didn't do anything.
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3997 [23:51:38] <Fish-Guts> however, nmap on the domain shows: 80/tcp closed http
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4000 [23:53:28] <whaf> sney: firmware-misc-nonfree is installed
4001 [23:53:52] <sney> whaf: did you reboot after installing the firmware?
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4003 [23:54:23] <whaf> sney: yes
4004 [23:54:41] <sney> whaf: which gpu is it?
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4006 [23:55:25] <whaf> sney: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07)
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4008 [23:56:42] <sney> whaf: ok, do you also have libglx-mesa0 installed?
4009 [23:57:14] <whaf> sney: yes
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4012 [23:58:51] <sney> whaf: odd, that should be all you need. maybe try a newer kernel from buster-backports.
4013 [23:59:58] <wyoung> I am getting CVE vulnerbilities with my Debian Buster docker image. Any ETA on a fix?
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