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0[00:00:24] <karlpinc> Kevin: I think, but don't really know, that if you're using systemd and the fsck repairs things then you boot. If the fs can't be fixed, you don't boot. If you wanted to fuss with things you could probably turn off systemd's auto-fsck and write your own. But maybe not.
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3[00:01:40] <karlpinc> Kevin: You may have more control using a sysv boot. (But might be swimming against the tide.)
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5[00:01:59] <Kevin> a repair action on / doing a reboot is of course ok since stuff in memory is already running from it. rebooting when not making changes or halting boot ever would obviously be bad
6[00:02:49] <Kevin> that's what I did for the last version on jessie and everything was easy in the Unix Way. *grumbles*
7[00:02:59] <karlpinc> Kevin: I suppose it depends on the failure modes you want. Running a system with a broken fs leads to a cliff of further data loss.
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9[00:04:10] <Kevin> that's fine (ish). any level of working is better than not because 1: the filesystem check error gets reported OTA, 2: it might keep working
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12[00:05:07] <Kevin> the data itself is of little value aside from keeping itself working
13[00:05:13] <Kevin> *keeping the device working
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31[00:15:33] <jhutchins> Kevin: One of the reasons for not automating repair is so that the admin is aware of what might have been affecte, and might be alerted to problems with the filesystem or hardware.
32[00:16:38] <Kevin> fsck repair still gives a nonzero return code
33[00:17:10] <Kevin> open question as to whether systemd journal sends it somewhere
34[00:18:09] <Kevin> the previous shell version just binary-ored all fsck returns with the previous value on disk
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65[00:54:57] <tete_> oxek, makes no sense as long as i dont know if its really the drive. same would apply to cpu/mainboard etc. - i first need to figure out whats broken before i throw away something and just buy it new. even worse its a 1tb ssd, it was quiet pricy. and it has warranty, but i must be sure its the drive.
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84[01:11:08] <oxek> tete_: has warranty = return it
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90[01:12:09] <thatpythonguy> I'm running Debian testing and coming across a dependency problem, and google isn't helping. I want to install clangd, but i get 'libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-9-dev (< 9.3.0-5~) but 9.2.1-22 is to be installed'. I've already ran 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade'. 'sudo apt dist-upgrade' gives me the same error
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92[01:13:03] <thatpythonguy> /var/log/apt/term.log doesn't show any broken packages, nothing is being apt-pinned, and sources.list is only using standard sources, and sources.list.d is empty
93[01:13:59] <thatpythonguy> `sudo apt --fix-broken install` does nothing
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112[01:30:50] <sney> thatpythonguy: this is a known issue with some buster->bullseye upgrades that was supposedly resolved a few months ago. if you do 'apt full-upgrade libgcc1-' it should resolve itself.
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114[01:31:47] <thatpythonguy> sney: thanks, I'll give it a shot. Any way I could have figured that out on my own?
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121[01:33:02] <sney> thatpythonguy: if you had searched bugs.debian.org, sure
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123[01:33:26] <sney> #964477
124[01:33:27] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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126[01:36:14] <thatpythonguy> sney: thanks, i'll be sure to check there next time
127[01:36:43] <sney> np
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267[05:22:50] <mwheeler> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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269[05:26:37] <themill> it definitely is signed
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272[05:31:53] <mwheeler> it was working fine maybe an hour ago
273[05:32:10] <mwheeler> I'm not sure what's changed
274[05:32:21] <themill> the full output would normally have more details
275[05:33:56] <mwheeler> replaced-url
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277[05:35:17] <mwheeler> though works from my other machine, something screwy going on here
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280[05:36:47] <shtrb> jelly, bridges require host to be able to handled by the host machine (kernel)
281[05:38:14] <themill> mwheeler: is the date right inside that container? Has it run out of disk space?
282[05:40:17] <mwheeler> ah good call, the disk might be full
283[05:44:32] <mwheeler> Total reclaimed space: 39.26GB. Lets try now :)
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286[05:52:55] <mwheeler> Many thanks, that seemed to be it
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290[05:56:53] <themill> apt seems not to handle ENOSPC particularly well, but that might be because it's gpgv that gets the ENOSPC not apt and doesn't pass that info on
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299[06:03:02] <mwheeler> yeah thats fair
300[06:03:40] <abff> My laptop has started lagging every 2 seconds, the whole screen freezes, including the mouse cursor and anything I am typing. It's horribly distracting and I can't figure out what I've done. I'm running 10.9 buster
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302[06:04:54] <sney> that sounds like low memory with a lot of swapping, possibly?
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304[06:05:58] <abff> I mean firefox is eating up a significant amount of memory, but I'm only at about 25% usage on the whole system
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307[06:06:57] <sussudio> abff: have you checked the logs to see if there's error messages in there
308[06:07:25] <abff> sussudio: I looked around but I didn't see anything relevant I can try again
309[06:08:04] <sussudio> abff: you wouldn't happen to be using a samsung ssd?
310[06:08:41] <abff> I believe its a kingston
311[06:09:02] <abff> holy shit I think I found it
312[06:09:58] <abff> I had purchased a upd720202 expresscard usb 3.0 adapter, and I had yet to figure out how to make it work
313[06:10:34] <abff> and dmesg was just filled with events stating usb hub lost power
314[06:10:50] <abff> god this is garbage
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316[06:11:34] <sussudio> yeah, i've seen something similar with bluetooth and onboard sound, like every second in the log.
317[06:12:08] <abff> this card is a pos, does anyone know a usb 3.0 express card that actually works on linux
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319[06:16:45] <sussudio> i have a thin client with 2 usb 3.0 ports, and 1 of them will just disconnect for no good reason. it does the same thing on an identical second one. the usb 3.0 driver may just be unstable for some chipsets.
320[06:18:55] <abff> these cards are particularly shit because they are all under the same name in lspci but have different properties (some support onboard flashing to update the firmeware, some require an additional userspace daemon to flash the firmware to the device every time its powered)
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325[06:21:34] <sussudio> what did you hope to gain from using these things, i can't imagine you'll get full usb 3.0 speed
326[06:21:45] <abff> no not full
327[06:22:09] <abff> but it will be a significant boost when working with my usb 3.0 devices
328[06:22:21] <abff> I don't have any pcs with 3.0 or 3
329[06:22:29] <abff> 3.1 native hubs
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331[06:22:57] <abff> but I have a handfull of compatible devices like 2.5" enclosures, usb keys
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333[06:23:28] <sussudio> you can probably get a used pc with usb 3.0 for under 100 euro
334[06:24:04] <abff> nah I am happy with my setup otherwise
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393[07:57:03] <tete_> how reliable is a long selftest from smartmontools? i let it run for about 8h, now its done and it says no error, but the drive seems to behave strange, but its just a guess that its broken or before to die. is there some way to be sure? i have about 1 month warranty left but using the warranty if its not broken means i have to pay some money (shipping 2 times, analysis etc.)
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395[07:57:42] <tete_> in attributes it says "ID","Name","Failed","Norm-ed value","Worst","Threshold","Raw value","Type","Flags"
396[07:57:42] <tete_> 5,"Reallocated Sector Count","never","99","99","10","1","<b>pre-failure</b>","PO--CK"
397[07:57:51] <sney> smart can't test everything. it's good for early warnings but it still relies on the disk telling the truth
398[07:58:34] <sney> see if your hdd vendor has a bootable utility, those can get into the lower level stuff. or just, yeah, RMA the disk
399[07:58:45] <tete_> its a samsung evo ssd 1tb
400[07:58:50] <tete_> iirc 850
401[07:58:58] <tete_> i'll have to check that later
402[07:59:27] <sussudio> tete_: do you use a motherboard with an AMD chipset?
403[07:59:34] <filePeter> tete_: I had some very good experiences with smartmontools in one deployment with rotational disks only. As I remeber there was a google study that claimed to have had good experiences with smart as well in their deployments.
404[07:59:41] <tete_> sussudio, yes
405[07:59:50] <sussudio> tete_: they do not play nice. google it.
406[08:00:33] <sussudio> you're getting a bunch of error messages like FPDMA failed and timeouts, right?
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409[08:01:06] <tete_> have meeting sry
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419[08:13:21] <tete_> sussudio, i have 6 very old error messages like "Error 1677 [0] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 6589 hours (274 days + 13 hours)" - 4 in total but they were at lifetime hour 6589 so i guess they are unrelated
420[08:13:28] <tete_> correction: 4
421[08:14:58] <tete_> replaced-url
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426[08:18:29] <tete_> i have the feeling my complete system behaves strange since yesterday. i booted only windows to play a game xD now i encountered a crash in ms teams on linux, when i start the screenshots application it takes quiet a while until the application pops up
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436[08:36:09] <shtrb> tete_, I think you should get a new disk as soon as possible
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438[08:36:43] <tete_> i have backups and the drive is the windows drive, so i dont care that much
439[08:36:57] <tete_> i am afraid that its not the drive but something more serious like the mainboard or cpu
440[08:37:24] <tete_> i have 2 drives, one windows (1tb ssd) and linux (500gb ssd)
441[08:37:57] <tete_> after the meetings i will run a bench test and see what happens
442[08:38:55] <tete_> all started yesterday when i was changing my gaming soundcard from "speaker mode" to "headset mode", i had a evil buzz, windows did not start anymore and since then imo linux does also some things a bit wierd
443[08:39:37] <tete_> i was on windows and the drivers from that soundcard (creative x-ae5) are just bad, so i thought its just a driver issue and a restart should fix that - the buzz was gone but i was not able to get into windows anymore ;D
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550[10:36:44] <gypsymauro> hi, I've a samba 4 installation and after a while it hangs with NT_STATUS_TOO_MANY_OPENED_FILES, with cat /proc/PID/limits i c that I've : Max open files 1024 4096 files, how can I place an higher number?
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552[10:41:25] <jelly> gypsymauro, which service does that PID belong to? systemctl status PID
553[10:42:16] <jelly> gypsymauro, also, the limit being what it is is different from limit being reached, are there 1000 entries in /proc/PID/fd/
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555[10:47:09] <gypsymauro> jelly: I didn't understand, the PID belong to samba process
556[10:47:47] <jelly> gypsymauro, run "systemctl status PIDHERE" please nad pastebin the output
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559[10:49:43] <gypsymauro> jelly: replaced-url
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564[10:56:09] <jelly> gypsymauro, which debian release is this
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566[10:56:36] <jelly> judd, file etc/init.d/sernet-samba-ad
567[10:56:41] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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574[10:59:24] <EdePopede> seem to be them replaced-url
575[10:59:30] <jelly> gypsymauro, that init script does not seem to belong to any debian 10 package. A crude but effective thing to do would be to put something like "ulimit -n 8192" near the beginning of the (custom?) script
576[10:59:46] <mangix> any way to install a package to a local directory instead of /usr ?
577[10:59:59] <EdePopede> > SerNet follows the claim to offer the best Samba support worldwide. Almost every large Samba project is handled by us or one of our customers. In addition, we provide widely distributed and popular Samba packages under the name SAMBA+.
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579[11:00:26] <jelly> then SerNet can PROVIDE said support
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585[11:02:47] <gypsymauro> jelly: is a legacy 8.x debian server
586[11:02:55] <jelly> EdePopede, wait, did that person put their apt username and password, for a commercial repo, into the public web page
587[11:03:12] <jelly> gypsymauro, are you paying for the sernet packages?
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589[11:04:02] <jelly> replaced-url
590[11:04:22] <EdePopede> jelly: could this be some kind of anonftp like access? like they want people who download their stuff to use the credentials.
591[11:04:47] <EdePopede> but if it's really theirs then i'd definitely not sit in the same compartment with them :)
592[11:04:54] <gypsymauro> jelly: no was the period when sernet released them for free, i know it's time to update them but I was waiting the next debian stable release so I'll have a fresh 4.x samba package (past distro had problems with samba 4)
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595[11:05:51] <jelly> gypsymauro, restart the service after adding new ulimit to the script
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597[11:06:27] <jelly> gypsymauro, but you haven't confirmed the error message is accurate and there's really 1024 files open
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599[11:07:08] <jelly> gypsymauro, you can do that by looking at the output of "lsof -np PID" or by looking at the contents of /proc/PID/fd/ directory
600[11:07:16] <gypsymauro> jelly: I m not sure about that, right now I've less than 100 fd
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603[11:08:04] <jelly> it might be the message is pointing to some other issue. In any case it's hard to provide support for packages that do not come from debian.org
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605[11:08:29] <jelly> you can try blindly raising the limits and seeing what happens
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607[11:08:52] <EdePopede> mangix: i can't imagine using apt will do it. but since .deb is just a uncompressed .ar with 1 file and 2 zipped tarballs, one of which holds the files in relative directories (./usr/…) you could unpack them whereever
608[11:09:26] <gypsymauro> jelly: of course I know that, I was wandering if it's possible to fix it temporarly until the upgrade, there is not a way to change the ulimit system wide?
609[11:09:27] <EdePopede> mangix: only the (optional) postinst script would probably fail and then i'm not sure how library calls would work.
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615[11:11:45] <EdePopede> mangix: on the other hand firefox from upstream works this way (would have to check if there is a start script setting the env maybe) and i just compared recently Discord's downloads, .tar.gz vs .deb and the deb is the sam with just some files added, the main part is in /usr/share/discord with ./Discord as main dir.
616[11:11:48] <jelly> gypsymauro, no, there isn't. /etc/security/limits.conf LOOKS like it might be, but that's just a config file for pam_limits PAM module and only applies for service that actually use PAM
617[11:12:14] <jelly> gypsymauro, increase it on a per-service basis.
618[11:13:53] <jelly> gypsymauro, it might be a different samba-related service that is causing the issue, not the one that's directly complaining, but you'll see that if it happens again after setting larger limit in /etc/init.d/sernet-samba-ad
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621[11:18:05] <gypsymauro> jelly: thank you very much fo your help, I modified the start script, hoping this helps, I'm tring to debug but samba is not so easy to understand :) and it worked smoothly for years wondering what's happened in the past two weeks
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636[11:28:07] <jelly> gypsymauro, you can check the new limit looking at a new process' /proc/.../limits again
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658[11:52:42] <gypsymauro> jelly: yes now is correct, thank you
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682[12:16:52] <unborn> hi, is there any way to remove completely gedit and replace with geany?
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686[12:21:44] <EdePopede> unborn: was it installed with some metapackage or task-gnome or similar?
687[12:22:23] <unborn> EdePopede: it came with debian itself..
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689[12:23:16] <EdePopede> unborn: sure, 16 DVDs full of packages xD
690[12:23:28] <gypsymauro> any idea on when debian 11 will be released? (in know, "when it's ready" policy of debian) but i dunno the state of art , it's on freeze?
691[12:23:41] <EdePopede> but then the usual apt(-get) purge gedit should work?
692[12:24:17] <EdePopede> unborn: if you're not sure about it (though you'll have to confirm) you could also add -s and see what would happen
693[12:24:36] <jelly> !rc bugs
694[12:24:36] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
695[12:24:47] <jelly> gypsymauro, when the green line drops to zero
696[12:24:47] <unborn> EdePopede: I ain't use dvd as physical medium for long time eh, but yes I used iso to install lovely os, uhm I know how to purge gedit but how to set up geany to be used as default for DE
697[12:25:52] <jelly> alternatively, here are some guesses:
698[12:26:00] <jelly> !bullseye pool 1
699[12:26:00] <dpkg> ! antto=2021-07-07 räträcé=2021-06-13 jëlly=2021-06-06 themíll=2021-09-01
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701[12:26:49] <jelly> unborn, does gnome not have some sort of "default applications" in its control panel?
702[12:27:15] <EdePopede> replaced-url
703[12:27:25] <unborn> jelly: sure it does :) - but not for default editor at least no on my end - well let me double check this
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705[12:28:02] <unborn> jelly: yes - it does not have this option in settings
706[12:28:28] <EdePopede> unborn: ah, that's a completely different story. it's all done with xdg-tools these days, your DE should have a dialog where you can set your preferred application
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708[12:29:29] <jelly> "should" being the key word
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711[12:30:41] <jelly> it's not easy to find how to change certain settings in Gnome. unborn, maybe you can ask a gnome channel or a freedesktop.org channel
712[12:31:47] <unborn> jelly: thanks, I perhaps leave gnome along side on system and manually setup open with as default.. seem to me faster this way.
713[12:31:52] <unborn> thanks folks
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715[12:33:25] <gypsymauro> thanks jelly
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721[12:37:32] <oxek> who cares about when debian 11 will be released, when we're all really waiting for debian 11.1 :p
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723[12:37:48] <unborn> ,v phpmyadmin
724[12:37:49] <judd> Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u9; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; buster-backports: 4:5.0.4+dfsg2-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4:5.0.4+dfsg2-2; sid: 4:5.0.4+dfsg2-2
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727[12:39:04] <unborn> ,v ansible
728[12:39:05] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u3; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; buster-backports: 2.9.16+dfsg-1~bpo10+2; bullseye: 2.9.16+dfsg-1.1; sid: 2.10.7-1; experimental: 2.10.7-2
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734[12:46:28] <EdePopede> oxek: 11.11 even!
735[12:49:17] <oxek> debian never had a 3 digit minor version, right? No debian 8.111
736[12:51:48] <evilbug> is it normal for a basic headless debian 10 install to constantly spike a 2008-ish c2d?
737[12:52:09] <evilbug> laptop c2d with no battery **
738[12:53:39] <EdePopede> LTS becoming ETS
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744[12:58:44] <sussudio> evilbug: look in dmesg if there's errors.
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777[13:41:56] <brokencycle> Hi! I am trying out Bullseye, and am running into the following problem: On some of my terminator windows,
778[13:42:30] <brokencycle> if I right-click, or if I move the mouse to a different window, I can no longer see the contents of the window,
779[13:43:08] <brokencycle> just a solid almost-white plane. When I move the mouse back, this is being reverted to normal.
780[13:43:53] <brokencycle> Now, I just notice that this happens only if there are at least two tabs open.
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784[13:49:58] <oxek> !debian-next
785[13:49:59] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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787[13:50:49] <NGC3982> why different networks?
788[13:51:15] <oxek> historical reasons
789[13:51:22] <oxek> !oftc
790[13:51:22] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
791[13:51:32] <NGC3982> i see
792[13:51:36] <oxek> !oftc move
793[13:51:37] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
794[13:51:51] <oxek> been like that for 15 years
795[13:51:57] <jelly> freenode had been rather badly managed at the time
796[13:52:19] <jelly> these days there'd probably be little reason to move
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803[13:59:45] <ratrace> "You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network." .. oh wow, much profound, so truth!
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808[14:07:19] <Slashman> hello, where can I tell the maintainer of "ftp.fr.debian.org" that the mirror is dead? is there a channel dedicated to mirrors?
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810[14:07:57] <brokencycle> ok, thanks
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819[14:17:12] <oxek> ratrace: where did you see that?
820[14:17:34] <oxek> oh, I see
821[14:17:54] <oxek> it's probably because the factoids are identical on both networks
822[14:18:03] <oxek> still very poor wording
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835[14:29:40] <EdePopede> "If you're reading this on OFTC you may already be connected to that network."
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838[14:33:01] <oxek> I'd just get rid of the whole line.
839[14:33:08] <oxek> it doesn't seem to add any useful info
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841[14:33:28] <oxek> I mean sentence.
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846[14:39:14] <queip> any open source self-hosted thing to use to organize calendar of meetings, days off work etc?
847[14:40:42] <vertuxt> queip: nextcloud + calendar? Optinally with talk for Text+Video-chat/conference
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854[14:46:53] <queip> vertuxt: this works well in web browser (if other users dont want to install programs)?
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860[14:50:04] <vertuxt> queip: You can use it in browser, or via DAV-based API on End-Devices (as I do normally) . On Android you'll need 3rd party support. On Apple IIRC it should work out of the box (I'm not in Apple Universe)
861[14:51:18] <vertuxt> queip: And also on Debian with gnome you can Integrate and Use it via Gnome-Online Accounts and Evolution for File, Contacts, and Events
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868[14:57:26] <Tr1nk> hello
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872[15:00:55] <Tr1nk> i have some pain with Debian 2
873[15:00:57] <Tr1nk> replaced-url
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877[15:01:29] <Tr1nk> </exercise>
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879[15:01:40] <Tr1nk> </oldschool>
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881[15:01:54] <vertuxt> Tr1nk: you should upgrade ;)
882[15:02:03] <Tr1nk> yep ;)
883[15:02:24] <Tr1nk> vertuxt : i cant because the network card is not recognized... :|
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885[15:02:30] <shtrb> First backup , and then you might find it wasier to just reinstall
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887[15:02:47] <wintersky> modern debian will work on that machine just fine
888[15:03:01] <shtrb> It would be less hassle
889[15:03:06] <wintersky> by using very old debian you're wasting your time and electric power
890[15:03:16] <vertuxt> Tr1nk: Your XServer most likely dont match the Virtual-Machine HW.... S3 based stuff is really out of date
891[15:03:28] <Tr1nk> k
892[15:03:38] <shtrb> wintersky, old code was better, it didn't have JS in it
893[15:03:48] <Tr1nk> vertuxt : let me try again
894[15:03:51] <shtrb> and no systemd or dbus , so less power used
895[15:04:10] <vertuxt> shtrb: but also no energy saving stuff
896[15:04:12] <wintersky> you still can debootstrap a very minimal system
897[15:04:21] <wintersky> and it should go just fine
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899[15:05:06] <shtrb> vertuxt, the reason why we need to implement energy saving today is because of people not taking into account and writing with JS , dbus and docker
900[15:05:06] <vertuxt> Tr1nk: what's the reason for diggin out this old "backup"
901[15:05:30] <wintersky> maybe covid forbids him going to a tech museum
902[15:05:33] <shtrb> Tr1nk, dmesg output ?
903[15:05:46] <shtrb> and lspci just to see where is your problem
904[15:06:59] <vertuxt> shtrb: As an embedded and Kernel guy I can tell you that there is a lot of energy saving potential in old Code many layers below dbus or even JS
905[15:09:02] <Tr1nk> vertuxt : exercising old CD box packed distro Debian and Mandrake
906[15:09:06] <Tr1nk> on old
907[15:09:20] <jelly> Tr1nk, read very carefully what your virtual hardware supports. Cyrus something VGA is emulated by VMWare, I think
908[15:09:40] <Tr1nk> btw XF86_SVGA failed
909[15:09:43] <Tr1nk> jelly : thx
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911[15:09:48] <jelly> look forward to editing XFree86.conf by hand
912[15:10:03] <Tr1nk> jelly : ive used xf86config script
913[15:10:08] <jelly> if I even remember the file name correctly, and I do not
914[15:10:11] <Tr1nk> w/ no luck for instance
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916[15:10:33] <Tr1nk> however ive made it until full install with X kinda
917[15:10:36] <jelly> debian 2.0 wasn't too friendly. 2.1 and 2.2 would be a better choice and not too newer
918[15:10:42] <shtrb> vertuxt, I used to run Etch and Sarge on a 512 mb ram with athlon xp and it was working just fine, today you would be barely able to use terminal only on a similar system
919[15:10:46] <Tr1nk> btw ive installed alos kde by standalone script
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922[15:11:14] <jelly> I think my first home Linux was Debian 2.1 on a P133
923[15:11:23] <vertuxt> Tr1nk: the config script most likely does not cover the HW from the next millenial ;)
924[15:11:37] <Tr1nk> vertuxt : certainly
925[15:11:44] <jelly> that same installation is still running, after 8-9 debian releases and 5-6 hardware platforms
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927[15:12:19] <Tr1nk> vertuxt & jelly my worry is more about net card
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929[15:13:15] <jelly> Tr1nk, what does cat /proc/pci say?
930[15:13:36] <jelly> Tr1nk, which OS did you pick at VM creation time?
931[15:13:37] <Villux> Sorry to hop in, but I'm considering converting all of our CentOS boxes to Debian and one of the things I'd love to get in that transition is seamless version upgrades. Sounds like you've had great success in upgrading from one release to the next?
932[15:13:58] <vertuxt> Tr1nk: I dont think that VMware WS 16 will support that old HW-Virtualization . Maybe if you try qemu
933[15:14:05] <jelly> Villux, debian fully supports in-place release upgrades, yes
934[15:14:30] <Tr1nk> vertuxt : ah qemu i frogot this one
935[15:14:38] <jelly> one of its major comparative advantages, that
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939[15:14:58] <Villux> I did see that in the docs, sounds like it works well in practice too, thanks.
940[15:15:26] <jelly> Villux, it's not seamless but the documentation typically covers most things that need taking care of
941[15:15:31] <vertuxt> jelly: Villux: Basically yes, but you should backup before and read release-notes. For Example the mysql mariadb switch was not fully auto-updateable
942[15:15:33] <jelly> dpkg, stretch->buster
943[15:15:34] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
944[15:15:40] <Villux> Rgr
945[15:15:42] <jelly> Villux, ^ that's for Debian 9 -> 10
946[15:15:43] <Villux> Thanks
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950[15:16:44] <jelly> vertuxt, it wsa fully automatic for me on a couple systems, but i never used third party mysql-server packages
951[15:17:31] <c10ud> hello, I'm trying to install debian testing on my pc, dd-ed the img onto an usb drive but at the detecting drives stage it's not finding anything...I have a 60GB SSD drive which gets loaded by the installer kernel and I can mount it just fine...how can I force the installer to see it?
952[15:17:32] <jelly> postgres clusters otoh needed export and import and juggling with old binaries
953[15:17:43] <vertuxt> jelly: me neither, however there was some manual tweaking required dont exactly remember what but it broke my server
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956[15:19:56] <dob1> what is the difference between sudo -i and sudo su - ?
957[15:20:16] <jelly> dob1, you avoid calling su - needlessly with the former
958[15:20:36] <dob1> jelly, oh ok
959[15:21:30] <jelly> old versions of sudo did not have -i, and that's probably where "sudo su -" to open a login shell for root came to pass
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964[15:28:21] <oxek> !tell c10ud about debian-next
965[15:29:15] <jelly> c10ud, can you tell us precisely how did you dd and which image?
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970[15:29:53] <c10ud> jelly, with rufus selecting dd option, testing netinst
971[15:30:04] <c10ud> oxek, thx, I didnt read the server was different
972[15:30:36] <jelly> c10ud, I don't know whether rufus does something to the image. It needs to overwrite the whole disk.
973[15:30:49] <jelly> c10ud, and which netinst precisely?
974[15:30:50] <CyberManifest> replaced-url
975[15:31:05] <c10ud> yes, dd option does that, it was written on debian website
976[15:31:22] <jelly> CyberManifest, you can vote if you're a debian developer
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978[15:31:47] <CyberManifest> jelly oh, so this doesn't even affect the general public?
979[15:31:53] <CyberManifest> or users of the software?
980[15:32:39] <jelly> CyberManifest, it does not
981[15:33:05] <shtrb> jelly, wasn't there a descion that each one would do as they like ?
982[15:33:19] <jelly> no idea
983[15:33:24] <CyberManifest> jelly well, depending on the outcome I guess I'll vote with my participation of using software in the future or not
984[15:33:27] <c10ud> jelly, debian-bullseye-DI-alpha3-i386-netinst.iso
985[15:33:40] <jelly> c10ud, that's old. Use a weekly image
986[15:34:09] <shtrb> CyberManifest, no matter if there would be a decision to vote yes or not either of these options would have a negative impact.
987[15:34:15] <jelly> but the code that does detection of itself is probably unchanged
988[15:34:48] <c10ud> yes, I was thinking that
989[15:35:10] <c10ud> it is weird because I can mount the drive with command line just fine..
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991[15:35:22] <CyberManifest> shtrb no, in that article there are 7 proposed resolutions to vote on
992[15:35:23] <jelly> CyberManifest, that's mostly a political statement, it does not change the way Debian chooses which software can be in Debian or not
993[15:35:51] <jelly> so whatever the vote results, it doesn't change what's in Debian distro
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995[15:36:05] <ratrace> can we get back to debian support? this poly ticking is giving me psoriasis.
996[15:36:23] <jelly> ratrace, do you have a support question?
997[15:36:38] <ratrace> I'm generally on the answering side
998[15:36:49] <jelly> is there a question unanswered that we missed?
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1000[15:37:30] <CyberManifest> jelly it reflects the minds behind what software is in Debian
1001[15:37:32] <shtrb> ratrace, ableism much ?
1002[15:37:55] <jelly> CyberManifest, of course, that's the point of a political statement.
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1004[15:38:06] <ratrace> shtrb: what is that?
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1006[15:38:25] <CyberManifest> jelly right, politics got drug into it and now the consequences will be felt
1007[15:38:49] <jelly> CyberManifest, good.
1008[15:39:23] <shtrb> ratrace, making fun on disabilities and diseases, which is not nice
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1010[15:39:41] <shtrb> jelly, politics is ALWAYS bad , there is no good in it
1011[15:39:43] <ratrace> shtrb: the only one making fun here is you, assuming whether I do or don't have psoriasis
1012[15:40:15] <jelly> shtrb, you probably sohuldn't be using a distro that's based on a very political Social Contract of its own
1013[15:40:16] <CyberManifest> I mean if you don't want sh*t stew down't stir the pot and the one who does stir the pot should be left to lick the spoon
1014[15:40:25] <CyberManifest> don't*
1015[15:40:31] <jelly> CyberManifest, do you have anything constructive to add?
1016[15:40:44] <CyberManifest> jelly my vote if allowed
1017[15:40:50] <jelly> CyberManifest, are you a DD?
1018[15:40:56] <CyberManifest> DD?
1019[15:41:00] <shtrb> Debian Developer
1020[15:41:01] <jelly> debian developer
1021[15:41:10] <CyberManifest> not presently
1022[15:41:24] <jelly> then you don't get to vote this time
1023[15:41:24] <shtrb> Then you can not vote
1024[15:41:31] <jelly> CyberManifest, do you want to become a DD?
1025[15:42:12] <CyberManifest> shtrb hence why I said "allowed" but I'll vote anyways with my future participation in Debian on any level, user, developer, advocate, etc.
1026[15:42:14] <shtrb> just an FYI You can package and ask a mentor to push a package EVEN if you are no a DD
1027[15:42:23] <CyberManifest> jelly possibly in the future
1028[15:42:30] <jelly> !nmg
1029[15:42:30] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1030[15:43:04] <jelly> CyberManifest, start with the new maintainer's guide. Install how-can-i-help pcakage and look for things you can (learn how to) help with
1031[15:43:11] <dreamer> 42
1032[15:43:28] <jelly> how many roads must a man walk down?
1033[15:43:30] <shtrb> CyberManifest, you can open an account on salsa.debian.org and already send patches (use quilt)
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1035[15:43:43] <Tr1nk> jelly : Bob ;)
1036[15:43:57] <CyberManifest> jelly shtrb I think I'll wait for the results of this outcome
1037[15:44:16] <Tr1nk> jelly : "what's the answer my friend ?"
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1039[15:47:15] <shtrb> CyberManifest, And even if your patch was not accepted (for any reason) many times it's preferred that you would send your patch upstream
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1046[15:54:37] <c10ud> jelly, fyi buster netinst works
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1052[16:01:20] <jelly> c10ud, at least you have a way forward then
1053[16:01:26] <c10ud> yes
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1060[16:06:52] <ratrace> another week, another chromium DSA
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1062[16:07:12] <shtrb> now what ?
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1064[16:08:38] <ratrace> TheUsual(tm)
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1067[16:11:08] <jelly> au; adu
1068[16:11:25] <jelly> I don't have an alias for afu.
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1074[16:18:28] <ghoti> Is it possible to set up policy based routing on Linux with iptables? I have a Linux router (r-pi) with upstream on ppp0, and openvpn on tun0 accepting a /24 that with a static route to a host on the local network. But how do I get traffic FROM the /24 back out tun0?
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1084[16:23:43] <jelly> ghoti, not _just_ with iptables, you need multiple routing tables and then some way to identify traffic I think
1085[16:24:37] <jelly> maybe ask in #Netfilter whether there's a better way than the old LARTC recipe
1086[16:25:27] <jelly> and maybe your setup is simple enough to not need policy based at all
1087[16:26:12] <ghoti> Perhaps. I mean, I could do this in FreeBSD with ipfw easily enough. Seems there should be an easy way in Linux too. :)
1088[16:27:16] <ghoti> With ipfw, I would "forward" traffic through an interface that matched some rule. Forwarded packets bypass the routing table.
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1090[16:27:33] <ghoti> (At least, firewall rules happen before routing.)
1091[16:28:51] <vertuxt> ghoti: so you wanna route WWAN to VPN?
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1096[16:31:25] <ghoti> I have a VPN connection that delivers a /24 to me, and I want traffic FROM that /24 to go back out the VPN interface.
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1099[16:33:24] <vertuxt> ghoti: On replaced-url
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1115[17:06:03] <newuser444467899> Hello, i use command "modprobe -r usbhid && modprobe usbhid" with root access and i got:modprobe: FATAL: Module usbhid is in use
1116[17:07:02] <newuser444467899> i have debian bullseye
1117[17:07:20] <newuser444467899> on buster this command works
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1130[17:16:46] <Ooze> If you were to set up disk space monitors on lvm linux filsystems, which would they be? I'm confident /var, trying to determine the others
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1133[17:22:17] <ratrace> newuser444467899: find out what's using it. lsmod | grep usbhid and you'll see dependencies, you'll have to remove them too first
1134[17:23:09] <newuser444467899> lsmod | grep usbhid
1135[17:23:10] <newuser444467899> usbhid 65536 1 hid_logitech_dj
1136[17:23:10] <newuser444467899> hid 147456 4 usbhid,hid_generic,hid_logitech_dj,hid_logitech_hidpp
1137[17:23:11] <newuser444467899> usbcore 323584 5 ohci_hcd,ehci_pci,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_pci
1138[17:23:26] <ratrace> !pastebin for the future reference
1139[17:23:44] <ratrace> so you have hid_logitech_dj using the usbhid module
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1141[17:24:54] <ratrace> Ooze: "disk space monitors"?
1142[17:25:18] <ratrace> the rest of your statement is confusing. can you rephrase what you're really asking?
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1147[17:26:20] <newuser444467899> modprobe -r usbhid && modprobe -r hid_logitech_dj && modprobe usbhid && modprobe hid_logitech_dj
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1149[17:26:36] <newuser444467899> is this correct?
1150[17:26:54] <ratrace> newuser444467899: no, first remove hid_logitech_dj, but make sure no devices is using it
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1153[17:29:43] <Ooze> ratrace: Which directories in debian often grow in disk space from service usage? I have some things in /var which consume disk space over time, so I want to monitor it. Is /etc or /usr similar? I don't think they'd be written to w/ such growth potential
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1156[17:31:18] <ratrace> Ooze: typically they're not significantly growing, other than /usr and typically when you install new software. /var is by convention where dynamic data is stored. logs, databases, caches, ...
1157[17:31:21] <jelly> Ooze, that depends on the services running.
1158[17:31:39] <jelly> you have a mariadb? Expect /var/lib/mysql to grow. Etc.
1159[17:31:40] <ratrace> but ultimately yes, you need to know what's running and _where_ it's storing stuff, and monitor those
1160[17:31:50] <Poster> the /usr filesystem will get kernel updates as of Debian 10
1161[17:31:52] <newuser444467899> sudo modprobe -r hid_logitech_dj && sudo modprobe -r usbhid && sudo modprobe usbhid && sudo modprobe hid_logitech_dj
1162[17:32:02] <newuser444467899> is this correct?
1163[17:32:09] <jelly> Ooze, and you set up monitoring for all the filesystems, of course
1164[17:32:37] <jelly> newuser444467899, dumb question, why are you reloading modules at all?
1165[17:32:57] <newuser444467899> i need reset mouse
1166[17:33:20] <Poster> well, I should clarify, kernel modules are now kept on /usr/lib, previously on /lib
1167[17:33:52] <Poster> so if you end up with several kernels installed over time, the usage of /usr can grow
1168[17:34:17] <ratrace> newuser444467899: that whole sudo and && chaining is cringey, but in concept, removing those two and reinserting in that order, sounds reasonable
1169[17:34:29] <newuser444467899> ok
1170[17:35:03] <newuser444467899> yeah it works
1171[17:35:04] <newuser444467899> thx
1172[17:35:10] <Poster> There can be safety and security gains by having several partitions, but the flipside is that it can increase administration and monitoring to keep things from running out of space
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1175[17:36:14] <jelly> silly mouse
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1178[17:36:28] <ratrace> Ooze: install munin, it autodetects and configures itself to monitor every mountpoint/fs found.
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1181[17:37:36] <Poster> isolating where unpriviledged users can write will help safeguard against a runaway process from filling the entire disk, also for higher security you can mount those partitions with the "noexec" option, which prohibits execution of compiled binaries from those paths
1182[17:37:47] <Poster> generally this means /tmp, /var/tmp and /home
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1189[17:41:00] <EdePopede> i booted from 9Live again after some time. added some GRUB options, all fine, only i had to set CHARMAP="UTF-8" in console-setup. i thought locales= would do this already?
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1191[17:42:12] <rotaticus> is there a way to mirror my install to a usbstick, to get a bootable device with all the stuff i like?
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1201[17:54:03] <tcurdt> can someone please explain when a service unit file should go into /etc/systemd/system vs /lib/systemd/system ?
1202[17:54:29] <tcurdt> I don't understand the distinction yet
1203[17:54:38] <jelly> what is 9Live, EdePopede?
1204[17:55:10] <jelly> tcurdt, packaged files go to /lib/systemd/system
1205[17:55:20] <jelly> customizations go to /etc
1206[17:55:37] <tcurdt> thx!
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1214[18:02:36] <karlpinc> rotaticus: You could use a debian-live and "clone".
1215[18:02:39] <karlpinc> !aptitude clone
1216[18:02:40] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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1220[18:05:20] <rotaticus> karlpinc: thx thats close ... but i want more i'd like to also have the NON-debian packages mirrored
1221[18:07:29] <ratrace> Poster: /tmp and/or /var/tmp mounted noexec breaks post inst scripts, so special care must be taken for those
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1223[18:10:08] <EdePopede> jelly: live system and a pun on a really bad tv station long ago
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1266[18:51:39] <olabaz> Hi, I am on Buster. How can I upgrade my libQt5core from 5.11 to 5.15 which is on bullseye?
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1271[18:57:18] <jmcnaught> olabaz: you don't really. You either use buster or bullseye, the packages in each are built for their own respective versions of libraries.
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1273[18:58:04] <olabaz> jmcnaught: can I just compile these libraries myself so I can use it with a specific program?
1274[18:59:19] <jmcnaught> olabaz: a better way might be to use that specific program in a chroot or container of some kind. What program are you trying to get?
1275[18:59:24] <wintersky> why do you require 5.15 over 5.11?
1276[18:59:34] <wintersky> is tere a significant change that makes you want it?
1277[18:59:51] <olabaz> wintersky: I have a program that links against 5.15 and it's complaining
1278[19:00:25] <olabaz> ERROR: LoadError: LoadError: InitError: could not load library "/home/olabian/.julia/artifacts/7835210e9722f2d04d4e74972925b5c43d9cfcaa/lib/libQt5Concurrent.so"
1279[19:00:26] <wintersky> you might want to bootstrap a bullseye chroot
1280[19:00:28] <olabaz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.15' not found (required by /home/olabian/.julia/artifacts/7835210e9722f2d04d4e74972925b5c43d9cfcaa/lib/libQt5Concurrent.so)
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1282[19:00:41] <wintersky> it's not too much of work
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1318[19:38:31] <wwilliam> Hello what is that file name where all the log files are listed?
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1320[19:39:37] <coc0nut> is it noticable improvements if i upgrade the kernel from 4.19 to 5.10 before bullseye update ? the main improvements is ext4 and btrfs speeds right? i mean should i do it?
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1324[19:41:06] <EdePopede> wwilliam: rsyslog.conf
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1326[19:41:18] <wwilliam> Thank you EdePopede
1327[19:41:46] <EdePopede> also: logrotate.d/
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1338[19:45:04] <oxek> coc0nut: don't do it unless you need it
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1340[19:45:16] <oxek> or at least wait a bit for 5.10 to stabilize
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1348[19:49:22] <jhutchins> wwilliam: Most syslog config files and logrotate configs have defaults that cover the majority of logs, so they don't list all of the log files.
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1374[20:14:07] <coc0nut> oxek: thats what i think too... i did it, but timeshifted back to 4.19 due to the insecurity of private repos
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1376[20:15:25] <coc0nut> i really love gnome debian! so perfect and nice looking environment
1377[20:15:44] <coc0nut> with kali bridged vm for network testings :)
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1381[20:17:33] <oxek> my experience is that nice looking environments are worse than functional environments
1382[20:17:53] <ratrace> gnome, nice and perfect in the same sentence. what is happening.
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1385[20:18:22] <greycat> It's a kali user, so I'm just assuming the entire thing is a troll.
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1387[20:18:56] <oxek> the kali is in a VM
1388[20:19:08] <oxek> kali is not a troll distro, right? It actually has uses
1389[20:19:49] <coc0nut> so would you recommend another de?
1390[20:19:53] <wintersky> i prefered whey they used to call it "back track"
1391[20:20:17] <oxek> why did they change the name anyway?
1392[20:20:27] <coc0nut> yeah, kali is a commercial os... i get what you mean
1393[20:20:42] <wintersky> coc0nut: gnome is really, really good, provides ui that requires minimal effort from the user to achieve goals, also is really rich in features
1394[20:21:32] <wintersky> itcompletes my linux user experience on this machine
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1396[20:21:47] <greycat> ... what did I walk in on
1397[20:21:58] <coc0nut> yeah, im learning tho. would call me a novice linux user. but i dont really see spending the time on doing customization that has already been done - its like reinventing the wheel imo
1398[20:22:02] <ratrace> gnome is also the only DE, or only linux software afaik, that actually had a vuln that ran windows malware on linux!
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1400[20:22:15] <wintersky> if you like something as good as gnome but more complex in use then you got kde plasma right there
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1402[20:23:04] <EdePopede> coc0nut: form follows function used to be a thing some time ago
1403[20:23:16] <coc0nut> thats true, doing the customization would save you for bloat
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1405[20:23:31] <coc0nut> and hidden codes thats malicious
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1407[20:24:44] <coc0nut> dont know if talking this is cool in public tho... why serve the masses with precious knowledge actually :P
1408[20:25:19] <greycat> oxek: see the pattern yet?
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1410[20:26:52] <coc0nut> greycat, what pattern?
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1412[20:27:31] <EdePopede> coc0nut: knowledge grows by sharing
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1414[20:28:41] <coc0nut> thats what im actually about. sharing knowledge, but my experience in sharing knowledge is that i gives little to me. and how do we survive in this world? -knowing what others dont...
1415[20:28:55] <oxek> !start a distro war
1416[20:28:55] <dpkg> Debian Rulz
1417[20:29:02] <oxek> !start a DE war
1418[20:29:02] <dpkg> Xfce blows chunks!
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1423[20:30:12] <EdePopede> coc0nut: no, people doing things for you what you can't do yourself. and maybe you're also doing something for others what they don't. even if it's watering their plants while they're on holiday.
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1426[20:30:54] <coc0nut> yeah, i wont defend myself on this :p
1427[20:31:03] <EdePopede> but that sounds much like the old debate between the shadows and the vorlons
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1430[20:32:22] <coc0nut> arch linux, how is that? waste of time? or a good way of learning the core of linux?
1431[20:32:26] <oxek> is that... a babylon 5 reference?
1432[20:32:31] <greycat> It is.
1433[20:32:39] <oxek> I haven't heard that in 20+ years
1434[20:32:45] <oxek> maybe longer
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1438[20:34:56] <EdePopede> definitely too long. actually i try not to just have the time pass by, creators and authors sometimes have ideas while working on such shows. and not always the worst.
1439[20:35:07] <coc0nut> and after doing hte debian install with gnome.. is it okay to just install xfce on top of that and purge gnome environment or would that make complications?
1440[20:35:33] <greycat> you can keep them both installed, if you like
1441[20:35:54] <coc0nut> i did some testing with several de`s some time ago, when i knew less about linux
1442[20:35:55] <craigevi1> you can remove it, or keep them
1443[20:36:30] <coc0nut> and i felt like it complicated... with some things disturbing.. like gnome-settings to the xfce de in example
1444[20:37:35] <coc0nut> remove it with tasksel might be okay tho
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1451[20:46:24] <tete_> i try to recover my system somehow, but when i try to mount my debian partition which is encrypted it says: Cannot use device /dev/sdb3 which is in use (already mapped or mounted). - anyone an idea?
1452[20:46:25] <tete_> its not mounted
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1457[20:47:45] <coc0nut> the big problem of life is aligning your universe with other universes (the ability of others to see whats in your head is the hardest thing in life) :P
1458[20:48:11] <tete_> the command i used is: cryptsetup close /dev/sdb3 encrypted
1459[20:48:16] <tete_> ups its open
1460[20:48:39] <tete_> i tried cryptsetup open /dev/sdb3 encrypted and cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb3 tmp/
1461[20:48:41] <EdePopede> coc0nut: *nod* communication is a complex and errorprone thing
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1463[20:49:11] <coc0nut> might be different to others to... but it was pointed at greycats sayings :)
1464[20:49:22] <EdePopede> tete_: i don't crypt, but what does `findmnt` say?
1465[20:49:25] <coc0nut> i would say i have a genuine pattern--
1466[20:49:52] <tete_> oh thats a nice printing of mount :)
1467[20:49:58] <tete_> there is no sdb3 in it
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1472[20:50:51] <tete_> i just want to install grub again because the windows install killed grub, so i thought the best/easiest way is to chroot into my sdb3 partition and then do a grub update
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1474[20:51:55] <qman__> you would need to do a grub install
1475[20:52:00] <qman__> update just updates the config files
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1479[20:56:38] <tete_> dmsetup remove_all made it
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1488[21:06:35] <tete_> when i try to activate that partition i get lvm2-activation-generator: Activation generator failed, the command i used is: lvchange -ay lucy-vg
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1491[21:09:54] <tete_> wierd, it still works... guess first i save some data :P
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1502[21:17:15] <tete_> replaced-url
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1505[21:19:10] <tete_> oh, i mounted the stuff not inside /mnt... my bad
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1509[21:23:14] <dannylee> its a great day to be alive...
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1511[21:25:34] <jhutchins> Is this anything to be concerned about: /etc/ca-certificates/update.d/mono-keystore: 10: /etc/ca-certificates/update.d/mono-keystore: /usr/bin/cert-sync: not found
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1517[21:34:20] <ratrace> is there a (nonfree) lib that requires separate installation, for firefox to have hardware accelerated video? There's a computer I switched from intel to nvidia gpu (w/ nvidia-driver), and now (in contrast to intel) the video, like netflix, is choppy and consumes cpu
1518[21:35:09] <sney> you probably need the NVENC/NVDEC libs as listed here replaced-url
1519[21:36:09] <sney> ah, but firefox in main probably isn't compiled with support for them
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1521[21:37:33] <ratrace> not only that, but libnvcuvid1 wants libcuda1 which is only available at version 418. thanks anyway.
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1526[21:42:19] <ratrace> actually, scratch that, both are buster-backport'ed
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1530[21:46:56] <ratrace> no change tho. ff doesn't use the libs.
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1538[21:57:41] <oxek> does the current firefox-esr even support hw accel on linux?
1539[21:58:03] <oxek> I thought it came later
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1554[22:12:08] <HelloShitty> Hello. If I create now a config file for logrotate, daily rotation, 5 rotations, maxsize 50M, when will logrotate run this config file for the first time?
1555[22:13:17] <HelloShitty> If I understand, rotate 5, will make the target file to be rotated 5 times a day or sooner if it's size goes over 50Mb, yes? Or am I misunderstanding this?
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1558[22:13:52] <greycat> unless someone's gone and systemd-ified it, logrotate should be launched from a cron job. just do something like "grep -r logrotate /etc/cron*" as a starting point
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1560[22:15:12] <greycat> on my system, it's in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate, and you can then do a second pass to find out when /etc/cron.daily/ runs
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1571[22:20:21] <HelloShitty> I get 3 results from that command
1572[22:20:38] <HelloShitty> but I created the config file inside /etc/logrotate.d/
1573[22:21:01] <greycat> the location of the config file has nothing to do with when cron runs the program
1574[22:21:01] <HelloShitty> there are other files inside this folder like 'tor' and 'rsyslog'
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1576[22:21:08] <HelloShitty> yes I know
1577[22:21:19] <HelloShitty> I was just comparing the locations you provided and the ones I have
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1580[22:21:43] <greycat> I was NOT talking about the configs of logrotate at all. You asked when it would be run. I was showing you how to find that out.
1581[22:21:53] <greycat> By looking at *CRON*'s configs. Not logrotate's configs.
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1584[22:22:37] <HelloShitty> This is conffusing
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1587[22:23:05] <HelloShitty> logrotate itself has it's own periodicity and cron runs logorate also on a perioicity basis too
1588[22:23:20] <greycat> On my system, /etc/crontab (which is one of the main config files for cron) runs the contents of /etc/cron.daily once a day, at 06:25
1589[22:23:49] <greycat> logrotate can't do anything if it's not running
1590[22:24:26] <HelloShitty> greycat, I have this with that command: replaced-url
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1592[22:24:53] <greycat> Yes, you see that the file is /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
1593[22:25:14] <greycat> Now, grep -F cron.daily /etc/crontab
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1595[22:25:55] <ratrace> HelloShitty: it's very simple. Logrotate is your local peasant. you, Le Baron CRON, prod him once a day with a stick and every time you do so, he looks at teh calendar and if it's <specified log rotation time>, it rotates the logs. He won't do it unless you prod him. And thus two different schedules.
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1603[22:32:47] <HelloShitty> (back, went to put daughter to sleep)
1604[22:32:53] <MrHatter123> I have an external usb drive plugged into a debian box, that reached capacity, I have deleted stuff from it, umonunted and remounted but it is still showing as zero disk space. what causes this ?
1605[22:32:55] <HelloShitty> Going to run the command
1606[22:33:21] <HelloShitty> 25 6* * *roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
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1609[22:34:27] <HelloShitty> ratrace ok
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1615[22:35:46] <HelloShitty> For instance, the file I want to rotate is now aroun 1.5Gb. and don't want it to have more than 50Mb. So I just created the logrotate config file with rotate 5, daily, maxsize 50M
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1648[23:11:23] <coc0nut> I managed to delete my /root folder for some testing... i have recovered it to some extent.. but it doesnt seem to load the .bashrc so i need to do "source .bashrc" everytime :p
1649[23:12:23] <coc0nut> have i lost important things by deleted the /root folder or is it just a folder i can remake?
1650[23:13:18] <jelly> there's nothing system-wide important in there, just what you put in to make your life easier
1651[23:13:19] <ratrace> coc0nut: probaby missing ~/.profile that's loading .bashrc by default
1652[23:13:24] <jelly> it's basically just a user's home
1653[23:13:46] <coc0nut> cool
1654[23:13:47] <ratrace> copy it off of /etc/skel/.profile
1655[23:13:54] <coc0nut> ok thx! :)
1656[23:14:28] <jelly> man bash has a nice INVOCATION section
1657[23:14:53] <greycat> root's .profile may not match the one in /etc/skel/ which is intended for non-root users
1658[23:15:08] <oxek> greycat: where do you get the root's proper .profile?
1659[23:15:08] <coc0nut> what i noticed is that /root has a different .bashrc than a normal /home/user/.bashrc
1660[23:15:15] <oxek> and same with bashrc
1661[23:15:19] <coc0nut> copying from skel gave me a normal user .bashrc
1662[23:15:20] <greycat> replaced-url
1663[23:15:34] <greycat> I'm sure it comes from some magic file inside the installer
1664[23:15:47] <oxek> yeah, I was wondering where that magic file is
1665[23:16:58] <coc0nut> the only changes i made to .bashrc was adding aliases to the end of it
1666[23:17:32] <greycat> root's .bashrc is all comments, I think... at least by default. I added two commands to mine.
1667[23:17:51] <greycat> (set -o vi and set +o histexpand)
1668[23:18:26] <oxek> I don't understand the last few lines in my /root/.profile replaced-url
1669[23:18:43] <oxek> how can C note be properly displayed at the linux console?
1670[23:18:46] <oxek> *not
1671[23:20:07] <greycat> it's also suspicious that it complains about C not working, then uses C
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1674[23:20:36] <greycat> anyway, looks fake to me. claims to be from a "Debian installer" but I would demand to see proof.
1675[23:20:40] <jelly> I've never seen that before
1676[23:20:49] <oxek> ok, you worry me then
1677[23:20:55] <oxek> because I have not modified that file ever
1678[23:20:58] <jelly> oxek, which debian release?
1679[23:21:01] <oxek> buster
1680[23:21:07] <oxek> and it has always been buster, not an upgrade
1681[23:21:33] <greycat> did the word "live" appear anywhere on any of your media...?
1682[23:21:40] <oxek> greycat: used netinstaller
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1684[23:21:51] <coc0nut> i just copied the .profile content from another clean debian system. :)
1685[23:22:01] <oxek> greycat: so the answer to your question is no
1686[23:22:04] <jelly> weird. I'd go with C.UTF-8 these days, and an appropriate console-tools / kbd setting
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1688[23:22:52] <ratrace> I have clean buster install too, no such things after mesg n in muh profile
1689[23:23:38] <oxek> the only thing I can think of is that I used the expert mode in installer, and selected C as the default system locale
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1691[23:24:00] <greycat> (why?)
1692[23:24:22] <oxek> which part?
1693[23:24:48] <greycat> mostly concerned about the "I selected C" part. this is 2021.
1694[23:25:01] <oxek> my system still uses C.UTF8
1695[23:25:10] <greycat> C.UTF8 is not C
1696[23:25:16] <oxek> I'm aware
1697[23:25:24] <oxek> installer gave me option called just 'C' though
1698[23:25:50] <greycat> and you *chose* it... whY?
1699[23:26:13] <oxek> I prefer the C sorting compared to en_US
1700[23:26:16] <greycat> did you think, "goddamn it, I'm an AMERICAN and I don't want none of them funny FOREIGN characters!!"
1701[23:26:34] <ratrace> raciss locale is raciss
1702[23:26:37] <oxek> C.UTF-8 still has all those weird foreign characters
1703[23:26:49] <greycat> again, C.UTF-8 is FINE, but you chose C instead.
1704[23:27:02] <oxek> installer didn't give me an option to pick C.UTF-8
1705[23:27:35] <greycat> so pick a REAL locale like en_US.utf8, and then override the LC_COLLATE variable later
1706[23:28:11] <oxek> my system is fine now
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1708[23:28:27] <oxek> I'm just wondering about those lines in /root/.profile
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1712[23:29:03] <oxek> what's the easiest way of finding out the installation date/time?
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1714[23:29:14] <oxek> I want to compare the timestamp to the one on /root/.profile
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1717[23:30:55] <oxek> my /root/.bashrc is 2010-01-31 11:52:26 which makes no sense (was probably extracted from some archive during installation)
1718[23:31:11] <oxek> (UTC time)
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1721[23:34:26] <oxek> /usr/share/base-files/
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1723[23:34:39] <oxek> that's where the /root/ files come from
1724[23:35:21] * greycat notes that /usr/share/base-files/dot.profile ends with the mesg n command
1725[23:35:42] <oxek> indeed, so the installer appended those lines, as per the comment
1726[23:35:47] <oxek> should I delete them?
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1728[23:37:30] <greycat> There's so many *unknowns* here, it's ridiculous... under what circumstances are you launching a root login shell at all? Why are you hard-coding any locale info in there? What does it override?
1729[23:37:50] <oxek> I don't know, I don't launch root login shells.
1730[23:38:06] <greycat> then why are you we even looking at this file?
1731[23:38:26] <oxek> someone asked earlier where those files come from, so I had a look and spotted this discrepancy
1732[23:39:15] <greycat> well, in your case, it's not hurting anything, because nothing ever uses it
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1739[23:45:51] <oxek> I see some interesting history in /usr/share/base-files/profile.md5sums
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1742[23:50:59] <oxek> and even more interesting piece of ancient history at /usr/share/base-files/staff-group-for-usr-local
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1748[23:56:24] <oxek> and perhaps even more insteresting that I still have some files/dirs owned by root:staff in /usr/local/
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1751[23:57:00] <oxek> (if output of `find /usr/local/ -group staff` is to be trusted)
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1756[23:58:48] <fling> Which font for colored emoticons? this? -> fonts-noto-color-emoji
1757[23:59:01] <fling> What fonts to install in general for gui stuff?
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