203[05:20:47] <cws> You'll need to create a bridge interface to attach the VM to.
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205[05:25:31] <somiaj> Caesar_NayKid: what vm system are you using?
206[05:25:55] <somiaj> Caesar_NayKid: the other option if you don't want full access on the same network, is to setup port forwaring for the ports you want to share with the network in your virutal network
209[05:28:17] <dannylee> one mistake i made during istallation is i should have check mark KDE along with Gnome an lxde..that way i would have a complete version of konqueror web browser...now i can only use one tex editor at a time..in the home directory i made emacs my default tex editor...it make it easy to edit my website..but if you like gvime or gedit thats ok t0000...Debian is better than most...but i did use fedora for ten years...its
210[05:28:17] <dannylee> ok...Debian is just a bit better for Hacking...
211[05:28:43] <somiaj> tex is not text, emacs is a text editor.
212[05:29:41] <somiaj> though not really sure if you have a question, as there is a lot going on in that sentence, anyways debian provides you lots of choice and you can at any time (not just install time) install/remove the packages you want to use.
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214[05:29:58] <somiaj> So I woudln't say not checking KDE is a mistake, just install it with apt if you want it
215[05:30:21] <sney> ,i task-kde-desktop
216[05:30:23] <judd> Package task-kde-desktop (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: KDE Plasma. Version: 3.53; Size: 1.1k; Installed: 6k; Screenshot: replaced-url
217[05:30:39] <dannylee> so can i still install KDE on my machine
218[05:31:04] <somiaj> sure, just apt install task-kde-desktop if you want the task you would have gotten with the install, though there are a bunch of other options depending on how much of kde you want to isntall
219[05:31:08] <somiaj> !install kde
220[05:31:08] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
362[09:45:31] <likeafox> Which gives me shell for otherguy and everything works normally except now I want to use systemd for a thing and I'm realizing that sudo -i doesn't set any of the systemd stuff so systemd is giving me errors cause I guess it didn't log into systemd
373[09:56:31] <ratrace> likeafox: are you talking about its dbus interface?
374[09:56:52] <ratrace> or even better, pastebin some examples of what you're doing and what you're getting
375[09:57:30] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, I was here a few days ago regarding issues with "file as vanished" using rsync from a CIFS share, for the record, if that helps anyone: mounting the share with its root deeper in the filesystem helped quite a bit, so path depth was the main issue
376[09:58:04] <ratrace> PsynoKhi0: what do you mean?
381[10:00:45] <PsynoKhi0> most files listed as vanished are PDFs which file names are the document's title, in 3-4 languages, inside a folder of the same name
382[10:01:02] <PsynoKhi0> that adds up quickly
383[10:01:16] <ratrace> okay, so how many characters are we talking about here?
384[10:01:30] <ratrace> more than 255?
385[10:03:15] <PsynoKhi0> long enough that rsync -iv logs uses elipses
387[10:04:00] <ratrace> that's just on display side. what about actual path length? looking at some google results, the entire path mustn't be longer than 4k
388[10:04:37] <ratrace> 32k for SMB (with 255 individual element (dir/file) limit), and NTFS also has 255 for individual dir/file, but 65k path length
390[10:05:12] <ratrace> so I suppose if someone was trigger happy on the windows side, it could add up to beyond 4k and screw rsync
391[10:05:32] <ratrace> but DO verify that's the case. otherwise that's not it and you have another issue to deal with
392[10:06:04] <PsynoKhi0> thanks, will check
393[10:11:21] <likeafox> ratrace, yea so specifically I'm trying to run a user service, so I will run `systemctl --user status pulseaudiosock.service` and it errors "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory". and btw I check env, and many vars aren't set like XDG_RUNTIME_DIR for example, whereas they ARE set on my "normal" users
394[10:12:14] <likeafox> So yea there's no dbus session for this user I guess? among other things.
399[10:15:17] <ratrace> logind's one of main raison d'etre is _multiseat_ so it definitely should be able to handle things properly. using those APIs differently (via sudo for example) might require a bit of setup.
409[10:30:17] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - replaced-url
427[10:47:31] <likeafox> I think I need to do more to emulate a normal login. Where can I read more about the login process? Like, does lightdm have a script it runs to log in users that I can study?
428[10:47:59] <PsynoKhi0> welp I spoke too fast, the vanished files are the same even after mounting deeper, though the folder names contain ellipses when using cd on the share, that puts the whole path at 231 characters in the first instance
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434[10:55:24] <PsynoKhi0> could it the the share presenting the folder names with ellipsis as a short hand, with rysnc blindingly using that but failing since it's not the actual name?
446[11:17:06] <archaeopter> Hello! Is there a guide on how to setup testing with unstable security updates?
447[11:17:54] <shtrb> There's no security upgrades for unstable
448[11:18:17] <shtrb> archaeopter, ^
449[11:18:38] <shtrb> archaeopter, in unstable you get the security upgrades via the packages itself (directly)
450[11:19:00] <archaeopter> Ok, i meant whatever this part of the wiki on it implies 'It is a good idea to install security updates from unstable since they take extra time to reach testing and the security team only releases updates to unstable. If you have unstable in your apt sources but pinned lower than testing, you can automatically add temporary pinning for packages
451[11:19:01] <archaeopter> with security issues fixed in unstable using the output of debsecan. '
457[11:20:36] <archaeopter> I would run unstable if me trying to btrfs prtition debian didn't fail over and over while install, so I want a bit more stability
458[11:20:43] <ratrace> shtrb: afaik unstable always gets a change first
459[11:20:57] <ratrace> ie, no bump in stable before it got into unstable. are there exceptions?
460[11:21:03] <shtrb> but unstable also get more security holes faster :P
461[11:21:23] <ratrace> archaeopter: fails how?
462[11:21:38] <ratrace> so maybe this is a giant XY and you really need to fix the btrfs issue? :)
463[11:22:02] <archaeopter> Ok, would yall help me install btrfs debian?
464[11:22:23] <archaeopter> With encrypted lvm
465[11:22:33] <archaeopter> Cause it was a headache yesterday
466[11:22:42] <ratrace> ehh what? btrfs AND lvm? whyyyyyy
467[11:23:07] <archaeopter> Brr i mean just encrypted drive
473[11:24:59] <ratrace> archaeopter: you can do that with the installer, doesn't require lvm. just choose manual partitioning, use the encryption option on it (forgot how's it called actually) and then when the crypto container becomes available, format it with btrfs
474[11:25:04] <ratrace> archaeopter: is this single disk?
475[11:25:09] <archaeopter> Ye, single disk
476[11:25:38] <ratrace> personally, I wouldn't recommend running btrfs on a single disk. it's very fragile and often problems lead to unmountable fs, or readonly which requires full restoration from backups
479[11:26:41] <ratrace> anyhoo.... manual partitioning -> create partition for luks (and for separate /boot) -> "use" it as crypto something something -> when the LUKS container becomes available, "use" it as BTRFS for /
480[11:27:03] <ratrace> This "use as" is actually an option/dropdown name iirc
481[11:27:30] <archaeopter> Aight, ill go boot up the stick
482[11:29:14] <archaeopter> Let me just check if my irc on mobile works
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489[11:35:43] <archaeopter94> Can you please repeat the instructions? Forgot I don't see the last messages here
490[11:38:01] <ratrace> archaeopter94: manual partitioning -> create partition for luks (and one for separate /boot) -> "use" the partition as crypto something something (it's an option in partition "use" dropdown) -> when the LUKS container becomes available, "use" it as BTRFS for /
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492[11:38:23] <ratrace> also set up /boot as ext4 probably.
493[11:39:34] <ratrace> archaeopter94: oh yes, somewhere in the dialogs for "using" the partition as crypto something something, it'll ask whether to wipe it, you can select NO or else it'll take a while, depending how big the partition is. this wiping under LUKS is increased secuirty measure but for vast majority of home use, it's not needed
494[11:40:28] <ratrace> it basically randomizes entire partition so it's later not clearly visible which sector contains encrypted data and which one is empty. if this is SSD and you plan to use TRIM, this option makes no sense then
495[11:40:36] <archaeopter94> Ok so first ext4 boot with 512 MB?
496[11:40:58] <ratrace> 512MB should be minimum, yes.
513[11:48:23] <archaeopter94> So what are the next steps
514[11:49:54] <ratrace> archaeopter94: well actually I'm not at home with the installer. I just know you can use it to created encrypted partitions without LVM and use any FS on it. I think BTRFS is on the list. I have no idea how what to do for MBR, I suppose just /boot and the LUKS partition, and make /boot "bootable", dunno
515[11:51:05] <archaeopter94> Ok so in the installer I have the option of configuring encrypted volumes above the manual partitioning summary
516[11:51:29] <ratrace> ah yes "volume" was the term I was missing
517[11:51:32] <archaeopter94> So create a btrfs / and go at it?
518[11:51:49] <ratrace> first create the encrypted volume, then on that volume, you select BTRFS and / as mountpoint
519[11:52:51] <ratrace> it'll ask for LUKS passphrase, and among those options will be the one to _wipe_ . it's up to you whether you want that or not. it can take a long time, depending how big the partition is. it writes to it approximately at the speed of your disk's sequential write bandwidth, which is ~100MB/s for SATA drives
520[11:53:32] <ratrace> actually a bit less because iirc it uses urandom which is still insufficiently fast to saturate SATA
523[11:54:56] <ratrace> or if I'm wrong and it doesn't use urandom any more but zeroes atop of LUKS, that'll be as fast as your sequential speed, assuming AESNI
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530[11:58:26] <archaeopter94> And I can't modify it to btrfs I guess? Lights up red, partition in use
531[11:59:02] <ratrace> archaeopter94: there's an option to use it for / mountpoint, and in that dialog there should be FS selection, under "format as" or something like that
532[11:59:21] <archaeopter94> Hmm, I'll redo
533[11:59:33] <ratrace> it = sda2_crypt in your case
545[12:09:12] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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547[12:10:15] <ratrace> archaeopter94: if the installer is insufficient, I can help you install it with debootstrap if you want. but that requires understanding how to use cryptsetup, parted or some other partitioning tool, mkfs, an editor to set up fstab, crypttab, grub config
548[12:10:35] <ratrace> I don't want to guide you through it blindly.
555[12:13:39] <ratrace> archaeopter94: for starters, you'll need a live linux environment with all the necessary tools. I don't know how suitable debian live is, because I never used it. ubuntu live is very much sufficient, and there's ISOs like sysrescuecd or grml which is actually debian based
559[12:15:08] <ratrace> archaeopter94: I used to use ubuntu because it natively supported ZFS, and the live env was fully usable, with apt installable anything-you-need
560[12:17:13] <archaeopter94> I just want debian without Dino software and Ubuntu bullshit, I had it on my PC before switching to suse and now I want a deb system to fall back on my laptop
575[12:21:55] <ratrace> or maybe even ubuntu. it _is_ based on debian after all, and if you squit a little, and remove crapware like snapd and netplan, you could barely see the difference :) AND it'll be supported with latest sht
576[12:21:57] <julius_> after running dkpg-reconfigure where does it set LC_ALL?
588[12:25:25] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
589[12:25:49] <julius_> cant even run locale as my system user: locale locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
590[12:26:36] <archaeopter94> I just don't want to have such a big schism between the versions of packages on my opensuse tw and and the soon to be deb laptop
591[12:26:39] <ratrace> julius_: is the package "locales" installed? what were you dpkg-reconfigure'ing ?
592[12:27:03] <ratrace> archaeopter94: suse leap or what's the version they went back to from 42?
594[12:27:18] <archaeopter94> Tumbleweed, the rolling one
595[12:27:30] <julius_> dpkg-reconfigure locales
596[12:27:37] <julius_> yes, locales is installed
597[12:27:38] <ratrace> archaeopter94: ah yes... that's the one I meant, not Leap, Leap is the..... okay... neway..... that's gonna be a huge rift then
598[12:28:13] <ratrace> might really want to run unstalbe, but even that might in some cases lag behind tumbleweed
599[12:28:56] <ratrace> julius_: export LANG="en_US.UTF-8" and re-run `locale` in the same shell. better?
600[12:28:56] <archaeopter94> Haha, that's why it'll be a choice between kubuntu or debian unstable for me
602[12:29:41] <julius_> sadly no, LANG was set before
603[12:29:44] <ratrace> archaeopter94: you'd want to run KDE on unstable?
604[12:30:26] <fling> Which package is 4.4 kernel config in?
605[12:30:26] <archaeopter94> And ye it also sux that there is no backport to kde on debian since its fast moving, else I'd probably be happy with a ff flatpak and backports on stable
606[12:30:35] <julius_> somehow this old server got a mixture of EN and DE locales set (LC_PAPER=de_DE.UTF-8 for example, but LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" and LANG
607[12:30:40] <fling> Can I download it from the site? and unpack the config
608[12:30:40] <ratrace> julius_: export LC_ALL= and re-run locale
609[12:30:49] <archaeopter94> I'm crazy like that haha
610[12:31:01] <julius_> ratrace, locale shows LC_ALL as empty
611[12:31:22] <ratrace> julius_: then I'm confused now. where/when are you seeing that error?
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624[12:33:35] <ratrace> julius_: even after running dpkg-reconfigure locales ? In that dpg reconfigure, you need to enable checkboxes on all the locales you'll need on the system AND select a default one in the next dialog.
626[12:35:40] <julius_> ratrace, yes there are "stars" set for en_US..xyz and also i set that as the default locale. now im reading that for ssh access is should not set a default locale
627[12:35:44] <archaeopter94> ratrace thx for the help and advice,
628[12:35:44] <archaeopter94> I'll go install Kubuntu I guess :)
629[12:35:59] <julius_> ratrace, but im the only user on that system so i doubt it matters
634[12:38:40] <ratrace> julius_: wait, sshd by default accepts LANG sent by your client side. you can disable that and/or force LANG="en_US.UTF-8" or whichever, via your shell rc
641[12:39:41] <ratrace> archaeopter94: might be best option; unstable is not really considerd for regular release and usage, like ubuntu would be
642[12:40:01] <julius_> for now i did set LC_ALL in ~/.bashrc for my user and root...probably not the best solution but it keeps away these ugly erros when installing something
645[12:40:15] <ratrace> julius_: set just LANG, not LC_ALL
646[12:40:43] <ratrace> unless you're overriding env sent by client side
647[12:41:54] <julius_> ok im gonna try lang later, need to get some exercise done now :)
648[12:41:59] <julius_> thanks again
649[12:42:09] <ratrace> julius_: at any rate, if your sshd_config has the (default) AcceptEnv LANG LC_* then you certainly need to sync locales used on the server and on the client
650[12:43:18] <julius_> ah...i found that setting in ssh_client on the server but of course that makes no sense. will disable that as well
651[12:44:19] <ratrace> julius_: sshd_config you mean, surely?
652[12:45:37] <julius_> no
653[12:45:51] <julius_> i found some LANG settings in ssh_config also
654[12:46:16] <julius_> but i disabled the sshd_config version now
655[12:46:19] <ratrace> which is irrelevant for the server side
658[12:46:38] <ratrace> julius_: if you disabled, then you need to set LANG="..." in your shell rc
659[12:46:54] <julius_> did that
660[12:47:00] <ratrace> export LANG="..." ?
661[12:47:25] <julius_> im just wondering where debian keeps all the LANG settings, locale outputs ~10 lines of different language settings
662[12:47:45] <julius_> will change that to LANG= but im currently using LC_ALL
663[12:48:14] <ratrace> julius_: /etc/locale.gen is really the main config, and those locales must be available via /usr/share/locale/ which they are with the `locales` package
664[12:49:03] <ratrace> now that only creates availability. each process, and shell, can define locale they're using. in case of ssh, the AcceptEnv default sets the locale given by the client side
665[12:49:27] <ratrace> "default" locale is set via LANG and LANGUAGE from /etc/default/locale
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667[12:49:47] <julius_> ok in there thers en_US.UTF-8 for example, but not lines like: LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8", LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
668[12:50:01] <ratrace> but iirc, that default is not used for ssh shells if AcceptEnv is not set, hence my suggestion to force it via shell rc
669[12:50:14] <ratrace> julius_: LC_ come automatically from the LANG
670[12:50:23] <julius_> ah ok
671[12:50:40] <ratrace> and obviously can be individually overriden but that's probably never a good idea
673[12:50:58] <julius_> dont need that, just wanted to get rid of the errors
674[12:51:44] <ratrace> btw, if you change /etc/locale.gen you need to re-run `locale-gen` but both are done if you're using dpkg-reconfigure on the package `locales`
706[13:09:33] <FIlystyn> There is only lo interface
707[13:09:36] <FIlystyn> system loop
708[13:09:48] <FIlystyn> well what ever no interfaces at all
709[13:10:05] <ratrace> in the simplest possible case, check NIC name from dmesg and run dhclient on it, from recovery mode?
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711[13:11:40] <FIlystyn> looks like driver can't loadf
712[13:12:14] <FIlystyn> nic can't load
713[13:12:39] <FIlystyn> so I guess I need to reinstall that sys ye?
714[13:13:28] <jelly> FIlystyn, something like that, yes. Which kernel is running?
715[13:14:05] <jelly> does the eth need a weird driver that does not come with the running kernel? Can you see if booting an older kernel makes things work again?
717[13:15:04] <jelly> verifying the card is visible in "lspci" and looking for issues in dmesg would be a thing to do before any thought of reinstalling
718[13:15:09] <FIlystyn> I feel like maybe /var or something like that got it name changed
719[13:15:12] <FIlystyn> let me see
720[13:15:22] <jelly> because reinstalling does not help if the hardware is gone
721[13:15:24] <FIlystyn> there was some hard tardism going there
745[13:24:46] <cws> Noxx: There are technical reasons why periods aren't allowed in usernames. chown, for example, recognizes a dot as a separator between user and group.
746[13:25:09] <cws> So if you have a user named 'bobby.jones', and you try to chown something to him, chown will see that as user bobby and group jones, and fail.
747[13:25:12] <FIlystyn> randomgry someone never apt clear
748[13:25:21] <FIlystyn> anyway fuck that it works will have few more questions for later
749[13:25:34] <FIlystyn> any tool to trash whole var safetly?
750[13:26:43] <Noxx> cws, yeah i know, but you could use "<smth>"
751[13:27:19] <cws> Noxx: You could, whatever, but periods are not valid in Linux usernames, so we don't have to do that. :)
752[13:27:28] <Noxx> :)
753[13:27:32] <cws> Noxx: And that was a singular example, not the sum total of why periods aren't allowed.
756[13:31:13] <cws> Then you are welcome to dig through the entirety of the system and find all of the places where a period in a username could introduce ambiguity or unintended behaviors and submit patches to fix it.
757[13:31:26] <cws> Problem solved. Easy, right?
758[13:31:29] <Noxx> so that in some cases, if you need to have names that represent smth that has some other characters in it
759[13:31:39] <cws> Until then... don't user periods in user names.
760[13:32:24] <Noxx> yea yea, maybe i will try it someday
814[14:05:11] <jelly> it's less outdated and less wrong than saying "put them in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d"
815[14:06:25] <oxek> "[...] forces the user to add the key to the global SecureApt trust anchor in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, which would cause the system to accept signatures from the third-party keyholder on all other repositories configured on the system that don't have a signed-by option (including the official Debian repositories)."
833[14:12:04] <oxek> when debian keys roll over, the default debian entries are overwritten in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/, so you don't need to modify your sources.list
847[14:14:58] <jelly> oxek, they are in different files with different paths, if you used [signed-by=...] it would break at some point
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850[14:15:35] <oxek> we're talking about different things. Each release gets its own debian-archive-buster-*, but you'd need to modify your sources.list anyway already if you're upgrading
923[15:36:47] <zignig> avu: I hope your pagen harvest festival break has been fun.
924[15:36:59] <culix> my son, 9 years, is learning debian installation at this moment and he is sad that there is no access to cowsay during installation. so this could be an improvement :)
928[15:37:17] <avu> zignig: if you want to do more chatting, #debian-offtopic is one place to do that, if you have a question abour Debian, feel free to ask here!
929[15:38:11] <fling> avu: can't find it anywhere
930[15:38:19] <avu> culix: could be an opportunity to teach him about filing wishlist bugs (and most likeley also about rejection) :)
932[15:38:32] <zignig> avu: indeed, been using debain for at least a decade... have written preseed installer three times, on my forth for a big multinational atm...
946[15:44:07] <avu> culix: true, chances the wishlist would be rejected are maybe a bit too high here and maybe the first bug report should be more encouraging ;)
961[15:57:25] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - replaced-url
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1042[16:59:26] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to backport fdupes from Testing. When I run `sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove`, I get this - replaced-url
1060[17:16:40] <jelly> contrapunctus, install debhelper from buster-backports
1061[17:16:41] <jelly> contrapunctus, you'll have to enable buster-backports in the first place. That might be enough to get build-deps metapackage installed
1131[18:30:43] <jelly> contrapunctus, error output, and also
1132[18:30:44] <jelly> !ssb
1133[18:30:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1134[18:31:34] <jelly> (even if the recipe uses apt build-dep directly instead of the better mk-build-deps option)
1152[18:51:33] <no_gravity> I did "apt-get install openbox" on a Debian 10 machine (That had not desktop before) and now I have a cursor on a blank screen. Right click brings up a menu. But whatever application I chose from the menu - nothing happens.
1153[18:51:38] <no_gravity> Any ideas how to go about this?
1154[18:53:11] <no_gravity> Oh, after a reboot, now I can start the terminal from the menu.
1189[19:26:05] <coc0nut> trying to install a netgear a6210 usb3.0 wlan.. shouldnt it show up as its own device in ifconfig? thinking of using it in kali vm on debian host. im currently using the integrated wlan in the laptop...
1223[19:39:49] <judd> Search for mediatek/mt7662u_rom_patch.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/mediatek/mt7662u_rom_patch.bin
1224[19:40:00] <jelly> coc0nut, the driver is already present in Debian 10
1225[19:40:08] <jelly> install that package ^
1226[19:40:14] <jelly> firmware-misc-nonfree
1227[19:40:30] <jelly> !non-free sources
1228[19:40:30] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1229[19:40:33] <coc0nut> niice :)
1230[19:40:53] <coc0nut> and it wont conflict my iwlwifi firmware package ?
1252[19:47:48] <coc0nut> 4.19.0-16-amd64 is the kernel btw...
1253[19:48:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1056
1254[19:48:22] <edlou> my debian friends i come to you with an odd and troubling network problem that i can not seem to fix
1255[19:48:59] <edlou> i am in shell now, and i can ping the router and google. however i can't resolve debian repo, and i cant serve dns from this machine
1256[19:49:32] <edlou> ive been trying dig/nslookup and it works through the router, but not when i try recursively through the debian machine. i am running adguard home on this machine, tried reinstalling it and reconfiguring it but cant seem to get it to work
1257[19:50:11] <jelly> edlou, what does your /etc/resolv.conf contain right now
1309[20:20:19] <greycat> that's the second time you've used a conditional to describe your setup... I am assuming you don't *know* what your setup is. good luck.
1316[20:28:22] <edlou> greycat: yes, that is why im asking for help
1317[20:28:35] <edlou> i think if i understood this better i wouldn't need the humiliation of someone expecting me to know whats wrong :D
1318[20:28:43] <edlou> which is probably the most difficult part of asking for help
1319[20:28:54] <jhutchins> edlou: You should have either your router or your ISPs DNS in resolv.conf.
1320[20:29:16] <edlou> jhutchins: i have put the routers DNS in resolv.conf , and the router is pointing to external dns
1321[20:30:42] <edlou> right now from host2 on the lan i can dig google.com @adguarddnsip , but from host1(adguarddns) i cant dig google.com @8.8.8.8
1322[20:30:55] <edlou> im genuinely confused :\
1323[20:31:01] <jhutchins> A standard Debian install does not block any ports. In Linux it doesn't need to, your system only listens to a port if you've enabled something to listen.
1324[20:31:41] <edlou> for this: how can i resolve a host from the debian machine from another host, but i cant resolve it from the actual debian machine? i cant wrap my head on it
1325[20:31:45] <jhutchins> edlou: You should be able to list any rules that third-party software has installed with iptables -L
1327[20:32:22] <edlou> greycat: the firewall is letting me use the machine as the dns from another computer, but not the computer itself, im trying
1328[20:32:32] <greycat> If you weren't the person who set up the router, or its firewall, consider nuking it and starting over. Or buying a different router.
1329[20:32:35] <edlou> i made a floating rule to allow all on lan interface to port 53 and port 853
1343[20:35:57] <rowbee> hi, how can i obtain emacs' debugging symbols? there doesn't seem to be a package named emacs-dbgsym or emacs-dbg.
1344[20:36:08] <sney> !dbgsym
1345[20:36:08] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
1350[20:37:44] <greycat> Remove all the nonstandard chanegs you made. Begin with a simple, known state -- multiple computers on an ethernet LAN (or a wireless LAN, or both) going through a single router. The router acts as DHCP server.
1351[20:37:56] <greycat> No firewalls. The router will probably do NAT.
1386[20:53:55] <alexrelis[m]> What's the best way to copy a journalctl log to send to others? By default it uses the `less` command and when I copy it sometimes it doesn't copy longer lines and the scrollback on my terminal isn't infinite so it doesn't get anything.
1387[20:54:28] <jelly> alexrelis[m], redirect the output to a file.
1404[21:02:19] <jelly> in any case, I agree with grey'cat in getting rid of all the firewall rules first, then verifying queries to outside servers work
1405[21:02:38] <jelly> right now they don't seem to, but the reason is unclear
1411[21:07:00] <edlou> jelly: so i can "dig debian.map.fastlydns.net @192.168.10.5" and it resolves the ip of 151.101.6.132 , but i cant actually download when sudo apt-get install net-tools is done
1419[21:08:43] <jelly> alexrelis[m], what's the size?
1420[21:08:50] <jelly> 10MB? 100MB? 100GB?
1421[21:09:02] <alexrelis[m]> jelly: 1.1 MB
1422[21:09:10] <jelly> that's not a whole lot
1423[21:09:12] <alexrelis[m]> Not large, but large for text.
1424[21:09:22] <alexrelis[m]> I will use SwissTransfer
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1426[21:09:30] <greycat> I would also like to point out that there are a couple people on debian-user who seem to be having troubles with the DNS services of their home routers after the 10.9 upgrade. Details unknown at this point.
1437[21:14:58] <jelly> edlou, oh well. you could work around the issue temporarily by adding "151.101.38.132 deb.debian.org" to /etc/hosts, then grab all the useful tools
1452[21:26:29] <dob1> do you have any hints for upgrading a release from 9 to 10 via ssh ? the ssh connection will no be closed during the upgrade right?
1453[21:26:34] <jelly> that's normal with a recent glibc and a default /etc/gai.conf
1458[21:31:18] <jelly> dob1, it's not closed under normal circumstances, but sometimes shit happens
1459[21:31:20] <dob1> imMute, well unfortunately not simple
1460[21:32:01] <jelly> prepare and have remote console access if at all possible. Also, run the process inside screen or tmux
1461[21:32:27] <edlou> jelly: ty for helping, i think something was severly borking the router, i couldnt upgrade the router and s tarted to fiddle, i downgraded to a deprecated version and then upgraded the stable version and debian instantly started working
1462[21:32:44] <edlou> im happy its working but honestly have no idea what was broken, it was a fresh install oin the router too
1463[21:33:05] <dob1> jelly, if something fails someone has to run a live cd there, configure ssh to let me access, and I have to mount the partition, that's the much I can do
1492[21:55:07] <jelly> dob1, then you don't have it (you might have intel ME/AMT which allows for remote serial and maybe remote console, possibly only from the same network segment, but I've never used those)
1525[22:28:56] <jhutchins> The remote consoles I've used have been basic multi-menu systems like a bios, and fairly limited in what you can do. I imagine that it would be hard to pass boot options, by the time you hit grub you're well past the control of the RC.
1528[22:31:26] <jhutchins> dob1: Recovery shouldn't be too hard if you can get the live CD booted.
1529[22:31:58] <jhutchins> dob1: Just chroot to the installation and do standard apt recovery steps.
1530[22:32:27] <karlpinc> Serial consoles are nice, but must be connected to some other device that can be reached. There's some serial<-> usb devices that connect multiple serial ports to a single USB port. But it all quickly becomes actual work to setup and maintain.
1531[22:32:47] <karlpinc> (And does not help with BIOS/etc.)
1557[23:02:22] <tete_> hi, i am having some wierd behaviour on my windows gaming partition/drive and i thought i'll let smartmontools run. now there are some errors but i dont understand that. anyone familiar with that? e.g. i have 4 errors but they are from hour 6589. and i have some things marked in gsmartcontrol in the attributes tab but no idea how to interpret this
1570[23:12:37] <johnfg> Is there a way to gracefully remove *all* of the texlive pkgs at once that I have installed? When I did an 'apt remove texlive', seemed to only be removing that one.
1592[23:25:09] <johnfg> Not all's quite gone for some reason. I've got a number of the pkgs that show up with [residual-config]. How do I get rid of all of that?
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1608[23:49:11] <Kevin> how can I configure systemd to automatically repair filesystem errors and continue boot on failure instead of starting a shell or asking questions?
1609[23:49:25] <Kevin> previously did this with changes to rcS config and several scripts
1610[23:49:34] <cws> Not generally a good idea to automate potentially damaging processes.
1614[23:51:48] <Kevin> cws: it needs to be automated one way or the other, the choice is either not fix "interactive" fsck failures or fix them with the suggested action
1615[23:52:06] <Kevin> this is an embedded system that people will never touch except by swapping parts
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1618[23:53:16] <Kevin> ..which reminds me of a second part of this - the fsck error output has to be stored somewhere for use after boot is complete. kind of a seperate question.
1619[23:54:12] <karlpinc> Kevin: Try "man system-fsck". You could auto-repair....
1625[23:58:06] <Kevin> it looks like a combination of repair=yes and nofail might work, although the documentation is unclear as to whether that results in a mounted filesystem on fsck failure or just continuing boot
1626[23:58:33] <karlpinc> Kevin: man journald.conf "Storage=" talks about storing boot logs. You can also setup a centralized syslog server, and send logs to it via syslog from multple systems.
1628[23:59:24] <HelloShitty> Hello. Does `rsync` uses extra disk space when copying a folder from one locaiton to another? Or anything like that, other than the space the original folder uses?