10[00:02:12] <Caesar_NayKid> Well, not lookin to game or nothing. Guessed intel gfx would be safer.. i can still see it. Probably would be better if my oled was directly plugged in.
11[00:02:40] <ramzy> hey im back with another stupid question...
12[00:02:47] <oxek> that hw should be supported in the 5.10 kernel
13[00:03:04] <oxek> and since you're on bullseye, it should have it
14[00:03:13] <oxek> ramzy: there are no stupid questions
15[00:03:18] <Caesar_NayKid> I read rocket lake support was added a bit ago
16[00:03:37] <jelly> sadly the kernel isn't the only piece of software that magically makes everything work
29[00:05:02] <jelly> and if you want to run Linux without a hitch, avoid buying latest generation hw
30[00:05:42] <jelly> could be any nubmer of things, from DDC not working, correct driver not loading, correct driver not being new enough....
31[00:05:49] <Caesar_NayKid> I feel ya. In the end there won't probably even be a monitor hooked up.
32[00:06:18] <Caesar_NayKid> Surprisingly it installed on the pcie4.0 nvme
33[00:06:18] <jelly> then set up ssh and log in remotely as you're going to in the future
34[00:06:32] <Caesar_NayKid> Well slow down.. haha
35[00:06:44] <Caesar_NayKid> This is only my second ever Linux install
36[00:06:59] <Caesar_NayKid> I did an Ubuntu a year ago, and it still running
37[00:07:31] <Caesar_NayKid> Decided to try something different this go, and Debian was seemingly recommended as a pure and stable option
38[00:07:31] <jelly> Canonical cares a bit more about making various hardware work properly, they even have paying customers
39[00:07:45] <ramzy> oxek: i was setting up my pkg manger repositery when this error came up
40[00:08:04] <jelly> Debian is a pure and stable option, but not on the latest hardware on the market
41[00:08:21] *** nckx is now known as jorts
42[00:08:45] <Caesar_NayKid> Got it. Nonetheless. Just finished my first ever Debian install like 10 minutes ago. Any immediate recommendations?
43[00:09:00] <Caesar_NayKid> Like apt update packages or whatever?
44[00:09:07] <oxek> Caesar_NayKid: read the guide
45[00:09:08] <jelly> they're up to date.
46[00:09:16] <oxek> that would be my recommendation
47[00:09:33] <Caesar_NayKid> Bruh.. i been reading the guide
48[00:09:44] <oxek> good
49[00:10:46] <Caesar_NayKid> But im a slow reader and have only had time to read a few hours at nights. Also learning a new Cisco CBS350 and how to setup KVM/Qemu all at the same time.
50[00:11:41] <ramzy> Caesar_NayKid: im not an expert but ... maybe try to do some basic things to check that nothing is broken
51[00:11:45] <Caesar_NayKid> Built my computer last night in two hours but had to go buy a DisplayPort to Hdmi converter from bestbuy this morning
52[00:12:18] <oxek> ramzy: we're still waiting for you to post that error :)
53[00:12:26] <Caesar_NayKid> Ramsy: so far i went into settings in gnome and mapped a keyboard shortcut to open terminal and that worked
55[00:13:08] <ramzy> oxek: sorry forgot to include the link
56[00:13:49] <oxek> ramzy: is that during the installation?
57[00:13:55] <ramzy> yes
58[00:14:12] <Caesar_NayKid> Firmware Bullseye Alpha 3 installer found both NVME drives even with the new Intel z590 chipset installed and found the Realtek 2.5gb nic during install and ripped right through.
59[00:14:29] <ramzy> do i just igrnore it and fix my sources.conf later?
60[00:14:55] <ramzy> oxek: ?
61[00:15:14] <oxek> ramzy: you can ignore it, if you know how to fix it later. Usually this error occurs if you have no internet during installation.
62[00:15:20] <oxek> did you select some mirror specifically?
63[00:15:58] <ramzy> nop chose diffrent ones in diffrent countries(no proxy) and gave same error
64[00:16:35] <ramzy> also i have internet
65[00:17:42] <oxek> well it definitely should not be popping up that error message
66[00:17:54] <oxek> unfortunately I'm not familiar with the graphical installer
67[00:18:01] <oxek> (or even the non-expert installer)
68[00:18:49] <ramzy> im in a vm could some weird setting there doing that?
69[00:19:29] *** Quits: Mister00X (quassel@replaced-ip) (Quit: "I'll be back" — Arnold Schwarzenegger)
70[00:19:31] <jelly> Caesar_NayKid, what does "uname -a" say right now? alpha 3 installer is 3+ months old
98[00:27:25] <jelly> the package named firmware-misc-nonfree
99[00:27:42] <ramzy> i used a diffrent kind of server "archive.something ''instead of deb.debian.org
100[00:27:47] <Caesar_NayKid> Got a command ?
101[00:28:03] <jelly> apt install packagename (run that as root)
102[00:28:45] <Caesar_NayKid> Packagename is firmware-misc-nonfree?
103[00:28:49] <jelly> correct
104[00:29:03] <Caesar_NayKid> Idk how to run as root
105[00:29:18] <Caesar_NayKid> Su apt?
106[00:29:25] <jelly> either prepend "sudo " to the command, or open a separate root shell with "su -"
107[00:29:34] <jelly> and then run it in that shell
108[00:29:35] <Caesar_NayKid> Sudo
109[00:29:41] <oxek> you sure about that one? I'd install 'firmware-linux' and let it get all the dependencies, or firmware-linux-nonfree. The misc one contains just miscellanous stuff that's rarely necessary.
110[00:30:14] <jelly> oxek, I'm sure that's the one containing intel gpu firmware on buster is what I;m sure
111[00:30:32] <oxek> hmm
112[00:30:34] <dvs> oxek: firmware-linux installs both firmware-misc-free and firmware-misc-nonfree
113[00:31:27] <oxek> I don't really see intel firmware files in firmware-misc-nonfree, but perhaps I'm blind
114[00:31:48] <ramzy> what is a "debian desktop enviroment"
123[00:33:02] <judd> No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
124[00:33:09] <jelly> oxek, correct
125[00:33:12] <ramzy> jelly: it comes up in softwar sellection list ...btw is "standard system utilities"
126[00:33:21] <ramzy> *GNU
127[00:33:27] <oxek> ramzy: you very likely want "standard system utilities"
128[00:33:28] <jelly> !standard task
129[00:33:28] <dpkg> i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
130[00:34:23] <Caesar_NayKid> Hmm
131[00:34:31] <jelly> ramzy, if you know exactly why you don't need those, you can disable that one
132[00:34:34] <Caesar_NayKid> Y'all are way beyond me haha
133[00:34:44] <ramzy> oxek: okay ..do i need print server?
176[00:44:57] <jelly> yes. It's a good idea try to avoid wasting volunteers' time on stuff you can easily find out on your own
177[00:45:02] <ramzy> jelly: i think i might install it later on my host marhine since my wifi is paingully slow
178[00:45:16] <jelly> by READING
179[00:45:48] <ramzy> oxek: thanks ...i was just gonna ask for smth like that
180[00:45:57] <eruditehermit> hey, I have a question regarding apt list or dpkg -l. Is there a way for either tool to list which source repo a package came from? This would be useful to isolate packages from a particular PPA and list them. Additionally, is there any sort of tool that provides a queryable web interface to getting the output of a dpkg -l or apt list?
188[00:47:45] <oxek> and the debian wiki has a search button too
189[00:47:48] <jelly> eruditehermit, apt-cache policy packagename is useful to see which versions are available from enabled repos right now, but even if the version is exactly the same you still can't be sure it was installed from there
193[00:48:07] <dpkg> The Debian wiki (replaced-url
194[00:48:48] <eruditehermit> jelly: ah that's a disappointment. So apt-cache policy operates on individual packages. While I can write some script that might be able to do this for every package it'd be slower/more work than a tool that did this in aggregate. It seems though that such a thing doesn't exist?
195[00:49:07] *** Parts: short-bike (~short-bik@replaced-ip) ("and on that note...")
196[00:50:11] <jelly> there are many tools to parse Packages lists
197[00:50:16] <jelly> !grep-dctrl
198[00:50:55] <oxek> dpkg: are you slacking off today?
199[00:50:56] <dpkg> oxek: wish i knew
200[00:51:22] <jelly> ,i dctrl-tools
201[00:51:24] <judd> Package dctrl-tools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Command-line tools to process Debian package information. Version: 2.24-3; Size: 100.9k; Installed: 421k; Homepage: replaced-url
202[00:51:31] <oxek> dpkg has been a bit nonresponsive lately, or even straight out missing in this channel (or even the network!)
203[00:51:31] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, oxek
204[00:51:46] <oxek> judd on the other hand is a star, as always
205[00:52:01] <jelly> also, there are no builds for Debian in PPA
207[00:53:13] <jelly> eruditehermit, which distro are you actually using? Third party repos for Debian typically put something easily greppable in their version numbers
210[00:55:16] <eruditehermit> jelly: it's my own repo actually that I want to find things from. I have a script that can list them: grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/<repo you are interested in>* | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq
215[00:56:49] <eruditehermit> jelly: my goal was to design a tool that will enable me to tell what packages AND what versions of the package I have installed from my own repository. I am researching the best/most correct way to do this.
222[00:58:05] <jelly> see those weird 5.10.19-1~bpo10+1 versions
223[00:58:41] <eruditehermit> jelly: this is possible though will require some additional work on my part. I was hoping to keep the versions somewhat clean. It's possible and might be the only/best way though.
224[00:58:56] <jelly> this is the current common workaround for apt not tracking source of a binary package at download or install time.
225[01:02:03] <eruditehermit> jelly: so you'd recommend reading up on grep-dctrl?
229[01:05:05] <jelly> there are other tools but that one first came to mind for bulk-massaging of installed packages and repo contents ("Packages" files)
230[01:05:50] <jelly> someone more awake might remember a better tool or two
231[01:07:11] <eruditehermit> jelly: looks pretty cool so far. I'll take a look and try to come up with something. I appreciate the help and guidance!
232[01:08:15] <jelly> eruditehermit, might also try asking #debian over on irc.oftc.net, or #packaging there for best practices managing own packages and repos
233[01:08:23] <jelly> !oftc
234[01:08:23] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
235[01:08:31] <jelly> not that
236[01:08:34] <jelly> !oftc move
237[01:08:34] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
240[01:09:01] <jelly> basically all the debian irc channels are over there now
241[01:09:14] <eruditehermit> oh hmm
242[01:09:19] <eruditehermit> since 2006 wow
243[01:09:51] <jelly> yes yes, it's a recent development and 1000 people in here have not noticed yet
244[01:09:51] *** Quits: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip) (Quit: To infinity and beyond...)
245[01:10:37] <jelly> 999* people have not noticed yet
246[01:10:51] <Unit193> Wait what? It moved!? :o
247[01:12:16] <jelly> debhelper the bot should keep the limit monotonically decreasing, so that it only allows for people leaving for OFTC and not new ones joining here
257[01:15:33] <jelly> > apt-forktracer displays a list of packages which are in an inconsistent state, or whose installed version is different than the newest official one.
258[01:15:44] <jelly> that sounds like aptitude's
259[01:15:51] <jelly> !not available
260[01:15:51] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
261[01:16:07] <jelly> !obsolete
262[01:16:07] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
263[01:16:13] <Unit193> apt-forktracer will list packages you can still download, but are not from Debian.
264[01:16:14] <oxek> wouldn't `aptitude search ~o` do the same?
265[01:16:59] <oxek> Unit193: unfortunately apt-forktracer will list files coming from buster-backports too
276[01:21:30] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search '~o'". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
280[01:23:09] <eruditehermit> so apt-forktracer is close but the issue is, suppose I have the official repos and then I have something else like a repo for google stuff and a repo for my own stuff as well as other thirdparty repos, I'll get all the thirdparty repos included
281[01:23:14] <eruditehermit> which isn't too bad
282[01:23:36] <eruditehermit> I can do some filtering on that output
383[02:41:07] <eruditehermit> oxek: out of all the possible packages installed from my repository, which ones are installed AND what version are they at
384[02:41:30] <eruditehermit> next step being, which ones could possibly be upgraded
580[05:04:48] <dannylee> well i reinstall 200 times in the last 10 years...but remember that i'm stupid...debian buster is really good...if you have a gun then may be you should shoot your computer...
672[07:20:09] <dannylee> i'm a happy camper..i got google chrome install on my machine...and i have 5 web browser working 100%...ok buster is a little bit better than stretch....the terminal are really great...with fgedora i can't keep hacker from getting into my machine...debian want a password...but fedora don't...even konqueror will play youtube video...this make me happy...Debian is easy enough...C0000L.
725[09:17:31] <ramzy411> this probaly has nothing to do with debian spasifcly but when i switch from english (to arabic) on my computer it works but swtching from arabic doesn't
736[09:33:56] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
741[09:35:49] <epsilon> the most common complaints at work: "my internet does not work"
742[09:36:58] <shtrb> ramzy411, if I properly guess what happen ,is that you have a key combination to switch input language (X or DE level) when you are on English you are able to move to arabic by using the key combination, but when you are on Arabic when you are using the key combination it does not go back to english
743[09:37:02] <shtrb> ramzy411, is that correct ?
744[09:37:20] <jelly> epsilon, that's the most common complaint even when you're working at an ISP
745[09:37:58] <shtrb> With ISPs it's normally really is the ISP not providing decent service :P
796[11:03:23] <isapgswell> ratrace sorrry, do not have scroll_lock key
797[11:04:51] <ratrace> isapgswell: what are you talking about
798[11:05:15] <isapgswell> ratrace input lag
799[11:05:54] <ratrace> I thought you were talking about some modifier somewhere and something something about scroll lock
800[11:06:04] <ratrace> which is still out of context and makes no sense
801[11:06:05] <ratrace> !sicco
802[11:06:05] <dpkg> Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
803[11:06:50] <isapgswell> ratrace i have a macbook, and its keyboard do not have scroll_lock key, so when i switch vt the system lags , cpu get high load
804[11:07:30] <isapgswell> ratrace after commenting that line at this file: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/br
816[11:10:17] <isapgswell> ratrace i believe X, because at gdm login screen i switch vt normally
817[11:10:39] <ratrace> gdm login screen is also run by X
818[11:10:54] <isapgswell> ratrace maybe xsession
819[11:11:05] <ratrace> isapgswell: but when you "read on internet" that it's "an old bug" .. surely it's mentioned _where_ the bug is? or else whoever posted that doesn't really know
820[11:11:51] <isapgswell> ratrace mentioned bug but not identified cause, the workaround is to comment that line in that file
821[11:14:31] <ratrace> isapgswell: so the bug is specific to macbooks with no scroll lock key?
822[11:15:09] <isapgswell> ratrace i have a Dell G7 and the issue is the same
823[11:16:14] <isapgswell> ratrace i think the system is matching abnt2 keyboard when locale is brazil, but the keyboard is us alt-intl
824[11:16:56] <ratrace> isapgswell: if you wish, you can file a bug report against xkb-data. I can't imagine where the scroll lock key would be used as a Mod...
825[11:17:41] <isapgswell> ratrace look this file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/br
826[11:17:56] <ratrace> what about it?
827[11:18:14] <isapgswell> ratrace the modifier i commented is inside that file
1002[16:12:58] <Caesar_NayKid> I have a fresh install. I opened terminal. I typed fdisk
1003[16:13:03] <Caesar_NayKid> Command not found
1004[16:13:14] <Caesar_NayKid> I typed partman
1005[16:13:18] <Caesar_NayKid> Command not found
1006[16:13:23] <Caesar_NayKid> Help a n00b
1007[16:13:31] <Caesar_NayKid> What do i need to do to run those
1008[16:13:40] <asymptotically> Caesar_NayKid: i think they're in /sbin which isn't on your path by default. try doing `sudo fdisk` or `su` if you don't have sudo installed
1053[16:22:13] <Caesar_NayKid> Still says im not in the subdoers file. But I probably screwed up because after i did it i su back to my account
1054[16:22:31] <Caesar_NayKid> Do over?
1055[16:22:42] <wsky> we told you to relog
1056[16:22:43] <dvs> Caesar_NayKid: now log out and back in again (no, not just closing the terminal window)
1057[16:23:09] <Caesar_NayKid> Hmm
1058[16:23:21] <Caesar_NayKid> It says im already a member of sudo
1059[16:23:28] <Caesar_NayKid> I did logout
1060[16:23:31] <cws> Log back out. Entirely. All sessions.
1061[16:23:41] <cws> Then log back in and try to sudo something.
1062[16:23:44] <dvs> NOT JUST CLOSING THE TERMINAL WINDOW!
1063[16:23:51] <Caesar_NayKid> I Used Gnome to logout and then back in.
1064[16:24:01] <Caesar_NayKid> Never closed the terminal
1065[16:24:13] <wsky> then, if you entered correct commands, all should be fine now
1066[16:24:15] <cws> Then try to sudo something.
1067[16:24:19] <dvs> That's the problem, you didn't log out.
1068[16:24:24] <Caesar_NayKid> Sudo fdisk failed
1069[16:24:33] <wsky> try sudo su
1070[16:24:47] <wsky> then run fdisk
1071[16:25:05] <avu> !sudo su
1072[16:25:05] <dpkg> Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su>
1097[16:29:24] <cws> wsky: None of this is recent. sudo has worked that way since... uh...1980?
1098[16:29:36] <dvs> Caesar_NayKid: In gnome, go to top left, select "Log Out" from that menu. Then at the login screen, type in your username and password and get back in.
1099[16:29:41] <wsky> sudo su never gave me a single issue
1100[16:29:44] <avu> wsky: 'sudo su' was always weird/useless, that's not recent
1101[16:29:46] <Caesar_NayKid> Ok so i did that already
1102[16:29:58] <cws> wsky: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. You're misusing it, end of story.
1103[16:30:07] <wsky> ok, sudo -s it will be then
1104[16:30:21] <avu> wsky: it's a weird meme that is quite pervasive though, never quite unterstood why
1105[16:30:41] <Caesar_NayKid> When i did sudo su it asked me for my password then switched me to root@
1106[16:30:43] <cws> its one letter off of sudoku, i dunno
1107[16:30:54] <Caesar_NayKid> Seems like it did the same thing as typing su -
1108[16:31:10] <avu> Caesar_NayKid: su asks for root's password, sudo asks for yours
1109[16:31:11] <cws> Caesar_NayKid: don't "sudo su" - as we just got done explaining, that's a misuse of the command.
1110[16:31:30] <cws> Caesar_NayKid: sudo fdisk /dev/sdb, assuming your unpartitioned disk is connected.
1111[16:31:33] <dvs> Caesar_NayKid: su - uses root's password, sudo su uses the user's password.
1112[16:31:46] <Caesar_NayKid> Yes except i already did it, so I'd love to go back in time and not do it.
1113[16:32:52] <cws> avu: im going to write an ncurses sudoku solver, but it will only run as root, so you have to type sudo ku
1114[16:32:52] <Caesar_NayKid> If im switched to root I don't need sudo right?
1148[16:41:14] <Caesar_NayKid> I didn't see the Jessie until i pasted that
1149[16:41:27] <Caesar_NayKid> But so what, is there some new then?
1150[16:41:42] <Caesar_NayKid> Did all these partition managers not exist then?
1151[16:41:51] <dvs> I like gparted but you can try others.
1152[16:42:02] <ZeroWalker> is postfix just for sending mails, or can it be used as a mail server (having an inbox and all that). I am trying to find a way to setup a mail server for testing that i can both send to and read from
1153[16:42:38] <cws> Caesar_NayKid: i would, honestly, just use fdisk and such. I find that GUI partition managers abstract things a bit too much, and often end up doing things you didn't intend.
1154[16:42:53] <cws> Now, granted, I haven't used a GUI partition editor in some years. Things have likely changed/improved.
1155[16:44:07] <Caesar_NayKid> What im planning to do with it is probably make a small ext4 partition to store VM configs and then leave the rest to allow a Win10 VM to use as its install partition
1156[16:44:48] <Caesar_NayKid> I haven't really learned what's the best way to set that up yet. I just bought a separate drive to allocate to a VM
1157[16:45:16] <cws> VMs typically use container files as a disk image for their storage, not an on-disk partition.
1158[16:45:55] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: postfix is just a mail transfer agent. it can receive mail and use different transport for storage to inboxes.
1159[16:46:03] <Caesar_NayKid> Gonna use KVM/Qemu/libvert/virt manager. Not sure if anyone here is familiar but please share any opinions on setting that up if you want
1160[16:46:21] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: there's better postfix help in #postfix
1161[16:46:57] <Caesar_NayKid> .. Setting up the partitions for it i should clarify
1162[16:46:58] <ZeroWalker> ratrace, will try asking there then, thanks
1247[18:43:43] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: I'd still stick with postfix. But if that's not a general production MTA you're going to turn onto public internet, then I suppose it's okay.
1250[18:45:08] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: however, I do wonder what kind of testing you're doing. ie, what will you do after testing is done and you want to enter production.
1251[18:45:45] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: because if you're testing email sending from an app, you can use dma with your gmail account, for example, if you have it. simplest possible setup
1252[18:46:15] <ZeroWalker> mta? the thing i am testing will send to outlook.com, which i can test but it's kinda annoying to spam it so to speak. so the point it to just have something that acts the part if that make sense
1253[18:46:33] <ZeroWalker> dma?
1254[18:46:40] <ZeroWalker> all those terms i don't know of
1255[18:46:53] <ZeroWalker> and yeah it's just for sending a mail basically
1256[18:46:55] <ratrace> ZeroWalker: you have an outlook account?
1258[18:48:02] <ratrace> MTA = Mail Transfer Agent (eg. Postfix). dma = Dragonfly Mail Agent = tiny programs that submits mail to an MTA. Can be used to send email to yourself if you're using gmail or outlook, using smtp+sasl credentials
1262[18:50:31] <ZeroWalker> yeah, but it's a bit special in the sense that we got a special server to allow non authenticated mails, but only from a specific IP, so the test need to account for that (being able to send unauthenticated). But this is basically to prevent having to use that setup for testing, cause i don't always work against this ip and parts of the mail will trigger other systems which is not wanted when testing
1264[18:51:24] <ratrace> that doesn't make much sense. sounds like you're actually testing for spamming and want to test unauth defense systems of outlook
1265[18:51:45] <ZeroWalker> oh confused it with MSA
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1268[18:53:54] <ZeroWalker> no, i am just explaining it badly. It's used to send an email, but not using an account as it's used on company grounds anyway so it should always be from that ip. No deep meaning behind it other than not worrying about credentials in a nutshell
1295[19:42:22] <kevinnn> hi all, I installed libinput-dev on my system and I noticed that it only installed the libinput shared library, not the statically linkable one... how do I get apt to install the statically linkable one? I've installed many many libraries in the past and they always had the static and dynamic one
1307[20:01:57] <babyswizz> newbie here. been trying to open a GUI application from getty but getting the no display environment variable specified error. How do I get the correct address of my display?
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1314[20:07:04] <sney> babyswizz: you can 'echo $DISPLAY' from an xterm or similar gui terminal window, it'll probably say :0. then you would do DISPLAY=:0 your-command-here.
1315[20:07:22] <sney> however, running an X application from not-X can be an annoying process, and there might be a better/cleaner solution for your overall goal
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1344[20:31:22] <EdePopede> would it run in tty because framebuffer? mpv does with libcaca for output (but better not to return to X before terminating the player)
1389[21:21:27] <subcool> it works for some command lne stuff, like. i have a fix that says to cp it form /etc/skel/,baskrc. i can tab my way there. but i cant tab apt-get
1394[21:23:54] <oxek> subcool: Tab autocompletion works for me for `sudo apt install firm<TAB>`
1395[21:24:28] <jmcnaught> subcool: you have the bash-completion package installed?
1396[21:25:14] <oxek> a workaround would be to install zsh
1397[21:25:21] * cheapie fires up the Debian installer again, picks all of the DEs to see what happens
1398[21:25:34] <cheapie> "Retrieving file 1 of 2761"
1399[21:25:40] <oxek> cheapie: I've done it, and you end up with a lot of packages.
1400[21:26:06] <cheapie> I wanna see just what it ends up installing :P
1401[21:26:38] <subcool> hoenstly- it was working until i connected to the internet, and did an official update
1402[21:27:00] <subcool> i was trying to run a ISO based repository, but ALL those links are 10 years old
1403[21:27:33] <subcool> and require turning the Media into official Fstab media. whichi finnaly did- but then it STILL didnt work because it caouldnt download a somthing file.
1404[21:27:39] <subcool> so i gae up and plugged it in
1405[21:28:02] <subcool> so basically- honestly i should toss the computer out the window.. and use smoke signals
1406[21:28:08] <subcool> caseim fucking tired of this bs
1423[21:37:01] <subcool> i cp'ed the bashrc file. everything works.
1424[21:37:09] <subcool> tak about fucking mad
1425[21:37:16] <Caesar_NayKid> Hey
1426[21:37:34] <Caesar_NayKid> Any chats about Samba shares?
1427[21:37:51] <subcool> i havent had this thin on for 5 hours. Do i need to keep a file access tranasction logs? i feel like freezonepc or whatever software that was.
1428[21:38:23] <Caesar_NayKid> I can ask here but maybe there's a better place?
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1488[22:16:38] <dob1> I mean a local resolv.conf
1489[22:16:54] <sney> !hosts
1490[22:16:54] <dpkg> /etc/hosts is a static lookup table for hostnames. "man 5 hosts" for more information and example content. To change your system's hostname, ask me about <hostname>.
1494[22:17:53] <Caesar_NayKid> Ok. Gotta problem. I moved a file in terminal but i had a typo and it moved it to a folder that doesn't really exist. So now I don't know how to find that file
1515[22:23:25] <Caesar_NayKid> If im in a folder and i want to mv a file to a subfolder of that same folder do i have to type the full path or can i do like a mv file1 ./subfldr
1516[22:24:32] <sney> the latter. you dont need a leading dot either.
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1518[22:25:17] <Caesar_NayKid> Ok so it won't put it in root /subfldr
1519[22:25:48] <sney> with a leading slash it will
1520[22:26:06] <sney> mv foo bar/ will move the file foo into the folder bar
1521[22:26:21] * cheapie watches bug #758324 doing its thing
1541[22:35:27] <Caesar_NayKid> Kinda confused though because if i make it have an ext4 partition then im assuming a win10 vm will want to make an NTFS partition on it.
1543[22:36:07] <jmcnaught> Caesar_NayKid: virt-manager is a front end for libvirt, which has storage pools. In virt-manager you can go to Edit > Connection details and see the storage tab. By default on Debian there is a pool at /var/lib/libvirt/images but you can add other pools. The types of pools are documented here: replaced-url
1544[22:37:38] <Caesar_NayKid> Yeah diskpool was what i was trying
1545[22:37:43] <Caesar_NayKid> It's on that list
1546[22:39:05] <cheapie> Caesar_NayKid: If you just want to pass through a block device, you can pick the option to specify a path and just give it "/dev/nvme0n1" or whatever - but do make sure you get the right disk, and you may want to consider using a more robust identification method (like the by-id stuff) instead.
1547[22:42:11] <Caesar_NayKid> I was trying
1548[22:42:25] <Caesar_NayKid> Disk: Physical Disk Device
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1562[22:45:48] <Caesar_NayKid> Error ceating pool: Could not start storage pool: Storage pool probe failed: Device '/dev/nvme1n1' is unrecognized, requires build
1563[22:45:48] <cheapie> I like how the installer still prompts me to remove the installation media even though I wasn't installing from any :P
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1565[22:46:08] <cheapie> Caesar_NayKid: ...then you're trying to do some pool stuff, which probably isn't what you want.
1591[23:12:48] <buhtz> I have a RAID 1 - only with data and not boot relevant stuff. It does not run when I boot the machine because it is incomplete; means only one HDD is present. Incomplete is OK for me in the current situation. Question: How can I make the RAID run while booting even if it is incomplete?
1601[23:31:31] <karlpinc> buhtz: This might or might not help. Install the linux-doc package and: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/Documentation/admin-guide/md.rst.gz
1623[23:40:28] <gry> Caesar_NayKid: good channel to ask this question in, too :-) in the other one you'd be sent back to a corner by a few people (larger channels tend to have less patience for people thinking out loud...)
1625[23:40:53] <gry> while for me, i am fine with it anywhere
1626[23:41:05] <Caesar_NayKid> Well. Im trying to create a vm in virt manager
1627[23:41:45] <gry> yes, i saw some of the chatter about it in the other channel; i'm not proficient with partitions myself, i'm a desktop user
1628[23:41:48] <karlpinc> !cross post
1629[23:41:48] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
1631[23:41:51] <Caesar_NayKid> I have a second 250gb nvme installed to put my win10 vm on but virt manager wouldn't let me install it as a disk: Physical Drive
1632[23:42:30] <Caesar_NayKid> Gry: gotcha.
1633[23:42:57] <Caesar_NayKid> So anyways im going to make a partition in gparted now
1634[23:43:10] <Caesar_NayKid> Says i need to make a partition table first
1635[23:43:23] <Caesar_NayKid> Gpt?
1636[23:43:28] <cws> There's a reason why I told you not to use physical disks as a backing store.
1659[23:48:01] <Caesar_NayKid> Can i not give a 50 gb partition on this drive to store the vm configuration files then give it the other 200gb for the virtual disk inside the guest?
1660[23:48:34] <cws> And there is still a total lack of listening or understanding.