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95 [02:19:24] <jaggz> hey, kdeconnect has a plugin where you can take photos using your phone (from the computer I think)
96 [02:19:30] <jaggz> what program can I use for that?
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258 [07:38:16] <rustyshackleford> so my grub is broken
259 [07:38:32] <rustyshackleford> I grabbed the livecd download, got it booted up from a usb drive
260 [07:38:45] <rustyshackleford> I cannot figure out how to just reinstall/fix grub
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263 [07:42:27] <diogenes_> rustyshackleford, sudo chroot /your root partition
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265 [07:43:00] <rustyshackleford> mhm and then?
266 [07:43:11] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /dev
267 [07:43:19] <rustyshackleford> this machine doesn't have internet access at the moment. ethernet cable is far away from my monitor
268 [07:43:26] <rustyshackleford> long story
269 [07:43:38] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /proc
270 [07:43:51] <diogenes_> sudo mount --bind /sys
271 [07:44:21] <rustyshackleford> I appreciate the help, but isn't there a tool that does all of this for me?
272 [07:44:23] <diogenes_> try dpkg-reconfigure grub
273 [07:44:47] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, there is not.
274 [07:45:00] <rustyshackleford> maybe I'm thinking of the ubuntu installer
275 [07:45:13] <diogenes_> if you want automatic the use MX-Linux live usb
276 [07:45:41] <diogenes_> it has boot recover tool.
277 [07:45:42] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, just folow this if you confused replaced-url
278 [07:45:49] <rustyshackleford> this livecd doesn't even have dpkg-reconfigure
279 [07:46:38] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: nice. thanks, that seems helpufl
280 [07:47:02] <rustyshackleford> why do you need to mount those 3 directories first? isn't all of the grub stuff in /boot?
281 [07:47:03] <Mathisen> dont blindly run the commands keep in mind correct disks
282 [07:47:20] <Mathisen> it has to do with chroot
283 [07:47:24] <rustyshackleford> yeah gotcha. my linux skills are rusty
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285 [07:47:31] <rustyshackleford> been a while since I've used chroot
286 [07:47:48] <rustyshackleford> sort of debating if I should just start with a clean install
287 [07:48:01] <rustyshackleford> server that's been unplugged for a while. I have no idea why grub would be broken
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289 [07:49:42] <noord> rustyshackleford: may the disk are dying, bad sectors etc
290 [07:50:07] <rustyshackleford> noord: its not THAT old
291 [07:50:15] <rustyshackleford> I doubt it, but that thought crossed my mind
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293 [07:50:27] <diogenes_> rustyshackleford, wait why you think grub is broken?
294 [07:50:43] <rustyshackleford> diogenes_: because I land in grub rescue on boot
295 [07:51:24] <diogenes_> sometimes you just need to run fsck /
296 [07:52:14] <diogenes_> but you can attempt and start the system even from grub rescue.
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301 [07:56:13] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: ITS ALIVE!
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304 [07:56:29] <rustyshackleford> so why was grub broken in the first place?
305 [07:57:01] <Mathisen> do you dualboot ?
306 [07:57:15] <rustyshackleford> nope. I leave this box on a shelf
307 [07:57:30] <rustyshackleford> plugged into ethernet. its like a file/media server that doesn't get used much
308 [07:57:41] <Mathisen> check logs then
309 [07:57:45] <rustyshackleford> so I did some reorganizing. I had it unplugged for a month maybe?
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311 [07:59:13] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: which ones?
312 [08:00:38] <Mathisen> dmesg is a good start
313 [08:01:14] <rustyshackleford> I did let it lag behind in updates
314 [08:01:22] <rustyshackleford> but still... grub shouldn't randomly break
315 [08:01:32] <rustyshackleford> failed kernel update?
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325 [08:08:20] <noord> rustyshackleford: every machine that is put onto shelf, there is a possibility not to start again, use machines actively
326 [08:08:44] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: dude... do you know how long I was working on this?
327 [08:09:12] <rustyshackleford> thanks a bunch
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342 [08:19:31] <rustyshackleford> next dumb question: my system is fairly out of date. how should I best update everything?
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349 [08:22:39] <rustyshackleford> so I installed Buster in 2018. I guess its not that out of date
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351 [08:24:54] <Mathisen> edit your sources.list and make sure you DONT have any 3.rd party repos the update
352 [08:25:12] <Mathisen> then*
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354 [08:25:41] <rustyshackleford> Mathisen: just sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade?
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357 [08:27:00] <rustyshackleford> wondering if there's a "more comprehensive" way to update than that
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363 [08:29:30] <noord> rustyshackleford: do not mess with it unless something is completely broken, Once I used the same version of OS 6 years from 2012 - 2018
364 [08:29:48] <noord> it wasn't cutting edge but it is stable
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367 [08:32:02] <NGC3982> how old?
368 [08:32:13] <rustyshackleford> a year max
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370 [08:35:03] <Mathisen> rustyshackleford, yes also apt full-upgrade
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379 [08:40:45] <engys> I also directly tried ghostscript on buster to convert pdf to ps and it shows the same problem like pdf2ps -> it lose all embedded jpeg images
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383 [08:42:05] <rustyshackleford> seems to have gone well
384 [08:42:14] <rustyshackleford> woohoo. my server works again
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428 [09:24:24] <veek> anyupdate to olwm/olvwm.. xfce replaced it but the functionality is lacking namely.. zoom with mplayer and vlc don't work.. I tried -zoom 2 -xy 4096 etc and all are capped by the window size whereas with olwm you could size the video to multiple desktops
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436 [09:29:42] <rk4> any suggestions beyond the fancontrol package as to how i stop my fans spinning at a high speed even though the cpu is at 29C? (asus g14, 2020, linux 5.11 ...needed .11 for some stuff)
437 [09:30:20] <veek> rk4, bios?
438 [09:30:35] * rk4 thinks and doesn't recall seeing anything there
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440 [09:31:11] <rk4> there is a sizable windows app that sets all these things, wonder if asus lazied out of adding bios functionality
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443 [09:33:06] <rk4> ok maybe an easier question is in order...my debian host doesn't boot because systemd is trying to start ufw, which is apparently refusing
444 [09:34:23] <rk4> its booted a few times and done this twice now, seems a little racy, will reboot a few times and see what happens
445 [09:34:51] <rk4> then i'll purge ufw and replace it with a small nft script
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447 [09:36:43] <rk4> the system, as is my preference, isn't configured to bring up any network interfaces automagically, so i think perhaps that relates to it hanging indefinitely
448 [09:37:34] <rk4> ok that time it booted in less than a second after the cryptsetup prompt, speedy speedy
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454 [09:40:07] <Lope> when running `sensors` any idea what acpitz-acpi-0 is?
455 [09:40:41] <Lope> I've got temp1 26C and temp2 30C
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457 [09:42:01] <Lope> Then I've got AUXTIN0: 35C
458 [09:42:24] <Lope> Must be some random temperature sensors on my motherboard/RAM or whatever?
459 [09:44:07] <Lope> Pretty amazing, even my intel wifi has a temperature sensor :)
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461 [09:46:25] <Lope> my 5.10 kernel and lm-sensors doesn't seem to detect CPU temperature on Ryzen 5950X
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465 [09:53:59] <Lope> Oh, my bad. The CPU temp is called k10temp-pci-00c3 by lm-sensors... :/
466 [09:56:31] <Lope> I see some people running the zenpower kernel module, is that recommended?
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475 [10:04:15] <darsie> How much of debian GNU/Linux is GNU?
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477 [10:04:59] <darsie> I guess firefox is not GNU.
478 [10:05:16] <darsie> or irssi.
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487 [10:21:46] <avu> darsie: much of the core system, like libc, coreutils, bash, gcc
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492 [10:28:25] <darsie> avu: Is that like 2%?
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495 [10:30:47] <avu> darsie: the total number of packages isn't that interesting IMO, it's more about how central GNU packages are for the OS to work, if it's about "why are we calling it GNU/Linux"
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498 [10:34:55] <ratrace> it's systemd/Linux now anyway. GNU is Not Usable any more....
499 [10:35:02] <shtrb> word
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501 [10:35:41] <shtrb> ratrace, Debian Gnu/Linux or Debian wsl/Linux but not Debian system/linux
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503 [10:37:42] <shtrb> RIP gtk2 in debian
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507 [10:39:13] <rk4> darsie: "some"
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510 [10:48:44] <Lope> all your base are belong to systemd.
511 [10:50:55] <darsie> replaced-url
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513 [10:52:20] <[O-O]> i think i called devuan
514 [10:52:25] <[O-O]> it
515 [10:52:42] <darsie> replaced-url
516 [10:52:52] <[O-O]> o
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519 [10:57:53] <ratrace> Just because something _can_ be done doesn't mean it _should_ be done ;)
520 [10:58:25] <darsie> Some think systemd shouldn't be.
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526 [11:01:34] <ratrace> Thankfully it's a Free and Libre ecosystem where license permits those few, then, to run Devuan without systemd in sight!
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540 [11:18:49] <Lope> The only thing that is constant, is change.
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543 [11:21:25] <rk4> interesting, so it seems systemd through systemd-rfkill is disabling my wifi, but i don't really understand why it came to do such a thing, and i don't have rfkill installed either. thoughts?
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545 [11:21:46] <engys> sry for the noise .. all embedded jpeg images already missing in the pdf upload
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548 [11:26:10] <rk4> hm, i had working wifi until systemd/ufw started hanging on boot. guessing something funky with iwlwifi :< ah well
549 [11:26:21] * rk4 should buy an atheros dongle
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557 [11:41:24] <shtrb> rk4 try to tinker with it, sometimes you are missing module option or a blob
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570 [12:01:06] <shtrb> ratrace, the license allow it for *now*
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572 [12:06:13] <ratrace> shtrb: technically correct, but practically ... it's unlikely things would change in any foreseeable future.
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579 [12:16:00] <line17> sd card not working. debian doesn't recognize that. any idea?
580 [12:17:13] <shtrb> define not recognize it
581 [12:18:00] <line17> i cannot see in file manager left column
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584 [12:19:19] <line17> in short i cannot access inside of it
585 [12:20:26] <line17> i checked with lspci -v
586 [12:20:27] <line17> 02:00.2 SD Host controller: JMicron Technology Corp. Standard SD Host Controller (prog-if 01)
587 [12:21:23] <shtrb> Would you mind pasting to paste.debian.net output of dmesg after you plug the card in ?
588 [12:21:42] <line17> sure. 1 min
589 [12:23:03] <line17> shtrb, replaced-url
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592 [12:27:53] <shtrb> Sound like a bad card or failure of the reader to read it
593 [12:28:22] <shtrb> Check if you have write protect on the card, and drop it
594 [12:29:31] <Miles8of9> i see debian 11 is freezing. As i have to reinstall my installation because the debian automated partitioning made a /boot partition too small (and you can't resize linux partitions), would it be a good choice to install bullseye instead in going for buster again and upgrade later?
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596 [12:29:54] <shtrb> since when you can't resize parttions in linux ?
597 [12:30:25] <Miles8of9> you can't resize /boot partition because it's ext2
598 [12:30:53] <Miles8of9> you should delete partitions and create new ones of the correct size
599 [12:30:57] <shtrb> WHAT ?!
600 [12:31:13] <line17> shtrb, card reader and cars is working good in window
601 [12:31:16] <line17> windows*
602 [12:31:32] <Miles8of9> there is no partition magic for linux... you have fdisk
603 [12:32:08] <Miles8of9> and /boot is a primary partition that makes things even harder
604 [12:32:14] <shtrb> Miles8of9, you can resize an EXT2 parttion with no problem, you have several parttion mangment tools in debian and several for each of your DEs
605 [12:32:55] <shtrb> A primiary parttion resize is the same in Windows and Debian , inrease the size of the parttion on MBR and resize the fs itself
606 [12:33:24] <Miles8of9> fdisk has no option for that... Oo
607 [12:33:31] <shtrb> that's not true
608 [12:33:47] <shtrb> If you like you can use GUI apps like gdisk , or parttion manager
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611 [12:35:51] <shtrb> Miles8of9, e2fsck + resize2fs are the command line tools, but I think you would find it easier to work with gparted or parttion manager
612 [12:36:55] <shtrb> !tell Miles8of9 partitionmanager
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618 [12:39:49] <maoma> Miles8of9, you can also try gparted which is GUI.
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621 [12:40:31] <Miles8of9> i'm reading an article... replaced-url
622 [12:41:08] <Miles8of9> and create a new smaller one
623 [12:41:29] <shtrb> Miles8of9, A resize of a partition consistent of two actions , resizing the underlying block device and resizing FS itself
624 [12:42:22] <shtrb> In GParted and partitionmanager the ui make it easier for you to do these actions
625 [12:43:06] <Miles8of9> of course i need to do these things after booting form a live cd
626 [12:43:50] <shtrb> Best when doing on live cd , not required if you have empty spot between your boot and next parttion
627 [12:43:59] <shtrb> also backup before you do anything
628 [12:44:21] <Miles8of9> i have no empty space between those partitions
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630 [12:44:52] <Miles8of9> this is why i said i need to reinstall
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633 [12:45:20] <shtrb> you can resize more then one parttion at once too
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637 [12:51:31] <Miles8of9> there is something i don't understand...
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639 [12:52:25] <Miles8of9> let's say i have a disk [partition a][partition b ]
640 [12:52:47] <Miles8of9> i want it to become like [partition a ][partition b ]
641 [12:53:31] <Miles8of9> if i resize partition b... all data written on portion b taken by a are lost
642 [12:53:38] <shtrb> wrong
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644 [12:54:49] <shtrb> You should first resize B (shrink), then you move the FS witin the block device , then you resize it (shrink it) - in gparted it would expressed as a single operation . then you increase A
645 [12:55:13] <shtrb> you shrink the FS , move the FS and then resize the block device
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658 [13:01:37] <jaggz> what's creating /tmp as a tmpfs ?
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661 [13:01:57] <jaggz> fstab has a line, commented out #tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,size=400M 0 0
662 [13:02:00] <line17> rebooted with sdcard and still same error
663 [13:02:01] <line17> [ 505.815324] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
664 [13:02:07] <line17> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
665 [13:02:07] <jaggz> it's a different fs than /
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667 [13:02:32] <jaggz> mount shows it as: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
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671 [13:06:17] <stevecam> hey, i need a customised initram build, im trying to think of the best way to go about it, i need to be able to switch between two different initram's at boot time
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673 [13:06:53] <ectospasm> stevecam: you'd probably want two different entries in your bootloader (probably GRUB2)
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676 [13:08:10] <shtrb> line17, does it have the write protect enabled ?
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678 [13:08:52] <line17> shtrb, no. it is a raspberry pi image sd card
679 [13:09:02] <stevecam> i do, i know when things get updated everything gets regenerated, how does grub see new kernels and init's?
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681 [13:10:27] <line17> shtrb, it worked now!
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684 [13:11:48] <inviz> is it possible to boot existing installed OS into console mode?
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687 [13:13:07] <shtrb> line17 that's odd
688 [13:14:59] <inviz> on GRUB screen I am trying to press 'e' and at the end of the line that starts with linux add `console=ttyS0,115280`, but does not work
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690 [13:16:11] <ectospasm> inviz: you probably want to disable your graphical display manager (DM).
691 [13:16:19] <inviz> I do not have one.
692 [13:16:59] <inviz> it is new install, for some reason the passwords I specified during install do not work. maybe it is my buggy HTML5 console on iLO. I want to login from serial console in ssh iLO session
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694 [13:17:41] <ectospasm> I have no experience with iLO. All my out-of-band experience is with Dell iDRAC.
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697 [13:18:13] <jelly> inviz, I'm not sure whether virtual serial on iLO presents as first (COM1, ttyS0) or second serial (COM2, ttyS1)
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699 [13:18:18] <inviz> yes so I have done installer in serial mode before, and I think I seen articles before about booting existing installations into serial mode. from GRUB screen.
700 [13:18:43] <jelly> inviz, java webstart console is a bit nicer than HTML5
701 [13:19:19] <inviz> it involves a lot of hackery to make java and webstart work. forgot how it was done. it is an option however.
702 [13:19:45] <inviz> I think I seen that it is possible to boot current installed OS into serial mode, or am I wrong?
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704 [13:20:14] <jelly> you just need a JVM na javaws
705 [13:20:25] <jelly> judd, v icedtea-netx
706 [13:20:26] <judd> Package: icedtea-netx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.3-1; jessie-security: 1.5.3-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 1.7.2-2; bullseye: 1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1
707 [13:20:39] <jelly> install that ^ to get javaws command
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709 [13:22:56] <jelly> inviz, if you already have an installation wiki shows how to enable login prompt or serial , replaced-url
710 [13:23:00] <jelly> on* serial
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712 [13:23:42] <jelly> inviz, and if you boot without framebuffer, you should also be able to use "textcons" on iLO ssh
713 [13:24:02] <jelly> but that's IME the worst option, even html5 is nicer
714 [13:24:16] <jelly> !nofb
715 [13:24:16] <dpkg> To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. replaced-url
716 [13:25:58] <inviz> thanks but for that I need to login into linux .. all these commands
717 [13:27:24] <jelly> yes. Do you have iLO Advanced license enabled?
718 [13:27:53] <inviz> I cannot login because my passwords are incorrect. I reinstalled OS twice, and twice have same issue.
719 [13:28:19] <inviz> I did verify my passwords in "clear text", they look OK. however cannot login after OS installation was finished. I suspect something wrong with HTML5 console.
720 [13:28:24] <jelly> you can still boot to grub menu and set those kernel boot parameters for no fb
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722 [13:28:42] <inviz> so either try java console, or try boot OS into serial mode and use textcons from iLO SSH.
723 [13:29:18] <jelly> inviz, you can try to avoid characters that are in different places on US and your locale keyboard in the initial password?
724 [13:29:40] <inviz> would it look like : linux /vmlinuz-4.19.....etc root=/dev/mapper...etc ro quiet console=ttyS0,115280 fb=false
725 [13:29:41] <inviz> ?
726 [13:29:59] <jelly> ... video=vga16:off
727 [13:30:04] <jelly> fb=false is for the installer
728 [13:30:36] <jelly> and get rid of "quiet" to see more things happening
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730 [13:32:26] <jelly> and it's 115200 not 115280
731 [13:32:35] <inviz> that did not work, still booted into 1027x768. but good thing, I can still use textcons
732 [13:32:39] <jelly> but that doesn't matter for vga text console
733 [13:32:43] <inviz> oh maybe that's why it didn't work
734 [13:33:07] <inviz> anyway thanks for help, textcons still works. but it is bizzare why my passwords did not work. I did not use any special characters.
735 [13:34:00] <inviz> input from non working textcons is still being sent into server :D
736 [13:34:19] <jelly> depending on the browser, HTML5 can duuuupliccccate keypresses easily
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738 [13:34:41] <jelly> yes, the console works you just don't see the screen
739 [13:35:41] <inviz> I can login into rescue mode and fix passwords, probably, but that does not solve the issue I am having, there may be more of hidden surprised. I will have to keep digging.
740 [13:35:43] <jelly> sadly IE ActiveX, then javaws, then the old Java Plugin, would have been the most reliable options
741 [13:36:14] <jelly> if you have a VM with windows and old IE11 you can try that
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743 [13:36:44] <jelly> javaws is probably the best option from a linux client
744 [13:36:52] <inviz> will try that.
745 [13:37:08] <inviz> will have to forward a lot of ports as well as it is behind the firewalls.
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748 [13:39:07] <jelly> oh dear
749 [13:39:36] <jelly> I have absolutely no idea which ports are needed
750 [13:39:39] <ratrace> did someone..... *checks calendar* ..... did someone say ...... ActiveX?
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752 [13:40:28] <jelly> ratrace, also I'd still use vCenter Flash web ui if I could, over the HTML5 web ui.
753 [13:41:40] <inviz> funny that we did have some windows7 VM without updates, which had a lot of old software without updates. I nuked it one day. hated using it.
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757 [13:45:28] <jelly> "enterprise" solutions are built on all sorts of obsolete crap, if you have to manage old consoles ActiveX might be the best working option
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759 [13:46:12] <ratrace> and cocaine was valid ingredient in COCA cola. Smoking was freely advertised in media.
760 [13:46:38] <ratrace> stop accepting BS solutions and force the dumb vendors to upgrade their interfaces!
761 [13:46:47] <ratrace> vote with your wallets!
762 [13:47:04] <shtrb> vote with your wallet, abolish systemd !
763 [13:47:38] <shtrb> btw ie4linux no longer work, so you can't even use it run old activeX
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767 [13:49:30] <jelly> ratrace, they upgraded, and HTML5 console is worse
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769 [13:50:46] <jelly> there's less frustration if I keep using activex or webstart than if I try to use html5
770 [13:50:53] <ratrace> shtrb: I wouldn't mind that actually. might force RH to fire LP and have better implementation of currently poorly implemented _Good_ ideas.
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773 [13:53:05] <shtrb> I would never ask to someone to be fired for their code or their political belief system. I say abolish systemd as a default and only system in debian
774 [13:54:19] <jelly> shtrb, okay, but are you going to pay for the work needed to support an alternative
775 [13:54:24] <jelly> or do the work
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777 [13:54:54] <shtrb> Last I checked DD are not being payed for by users of Debian
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780 [13:55:31] <jelly> shtrb, they can be. Freexian is offering money for projects to make Debian better.
781 [13:55:44] <ratrace> shtrb: I would ask someone to be fired, no problem.
782 [13:55:47] <shtrb> And systemd has taken resources outside other modules
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784 [13:56:32] <jelly> someone still needs to do extra work
785 [13:56:48] <shtrb> jelly, I actually HAD payed for work like that in the past (not much but have done it), currently Debian HAVE a problem to get payment for work outside of EU
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787 [13:57:34] <jelly> I think some of DDs paid by Freexian _are_ outside EU, but I don't know the details of financial arrangements
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789 [13:58:16] <shtrb> And for what I know Debian does not share (for common people how that can be done ) of ANY legal framework for pay for use work (in contrast to bug bounties)
790 [13:59:22] <shtrb> In fact Debian as an organization is a problematic entity for hiring people by third parties but that's out of the scope here, and I would assume that was how Freexian came to employ people
791 [14:00:30] <jelly> Freexian was very successful doing LTS and attracting sponsors, they're trying to scale out now to trying different ways to improve Debian
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793 [14:00:57] <tmm88> heyho guys
794 [14:01:09] <jelly> and they're always looking for more people to do work
795 [14:01:12] <tmm88> can you decrease a little bit the level on nonsense random activity
796 [14:01:15] <shtrb> jelly, let's move that to d-o as we are spamming people with technical things
797 [14:01:57] <jelly> !offtopic
798 [14:01:57] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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823 [14:22:50] <mosasaur> how do I duplicate an audio stream, like I want output to go to my headphones, but also to multicast/rtp
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825 [14:23:07] <Foxfir3> happy easter.
826 [14:23:26] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: can the pulseaudio daemon handle that maybe?
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828 [14:24:17] <mosasaur> Foxfir3: probably, but how?
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830 [14:24:38] <Foxfir3> basic server install. Bullseye. I notice visudo is not working. okay. So i edit the sudoers file, but I guess thats a very bad practice. So what is the correct approach?
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832 [14:25:55] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: mosasaur: replaced-url
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835 [14:26:49] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: there are different applets for pulseaudio.
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837 [14:27:18] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: you could also have a look at alsamixer in order to handle it more low level
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842 [14:28:54] <Foxfir3> mosasaur: just remember that pulseaudio is only a deamon
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844 [14:29:45] <mosasaur> Foxfir3: this assumes two hardware cards, I think. I do have some extra device usb audio device, so maybe I could investigate that, however I first want to somehow try to duplicate the audio from a single card
845 [14:30:50] <mosasaur> hmm, maybe I could output to multicast
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852 [14:39:35] <mosasaur> somehow I get permission denied when trying to access the rtp stream
853 [14:40:28] <mosasaur> maybe because it's on port 5004? But what other port can I choose
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863 [14:49:00] <mosasaur> how do I tell pulseaudio which rtp to use
864 [14:49:21] <mosasaur> which rtp port to use, instead of 5004
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869 [14:54:57] <mosasaur> Oh it works the other way around, use tcpdump to find the port pulseasio is sending rtp to, but even that port gives a permission denied error
870 [14:56:32] <mosasaur> why won't pulseaudio allow "mpv rtp://@:224.0.0.56:46660"
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910 [15:45:17] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, is there a way to have recursively copy files when folders and file names contain spaces? --protect-args seems to require to explicitely quote full paths one by one with spaces escaped, and I have over 800 files to fetch from a CIFS share
911 [15:45:43] <PsynoKhi0> to have rsync recursively copy*
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916 [15:51:56] <nkuttler> i don't think i ever had problems with spaces in filenames using rsync
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918 [15:52:01] <nkuttler> which command are you actually using?
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922 [16:01:52] <PsynoKhi0> nkuttler: rsync --protect-args -aviP gives me file has vanished
923 [16:03:12] <PsynoKhi0> do be more precise: rsync --protect-args -aviP "/mnt/source/" "/mnt/dest/"
924 [16:04:43] <PsynoKhi0> I gave rsync --protect-args -rtivP a shot because I read that chown could be tricky from a windows share
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930 [16:09:11] <jelly-home> PsynoKhi0, how is this cifs share mounted?
931 [16:09:14] <jelly-home> oops, ignore me, I'm mssing 10 minutes of the conversation
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955 [16:33:13] <PsynoKhi0> jelly: //fs.domain.com/dept_shared$/share on /mnt/domain_com type cifs (rw,relatime,vers=default,cache=strict,username=user@domain.com,uid=1003,forceuid,gid=1004,forcegid,addr=192.168.200.20,file_mode=0700,dir_mode=0700,soft,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1)
956 [16:33:38] <PsynoKhi0> I've already extracted a few TB from there
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961 [16:36:24] <ratrace> PsynoKhi0: the "files have vanished" error means that rsync couldn't find the files in the list it initially creates when it starts syncin (it does it in batches of N thousand files or something)
962 [16:36:54] <ratrace> meaning, something/someone deleted or moved them in the time between rsync created the batch list and started processing it.
963 [16:37:51] <ratrace> PsynoKhi0: also, as long as you properly handle spaces in paths you give as _arguments_, rsync should have no problem moving files with spaces in names, because the spaces are problematic for interactive shells (and string substitution if done incorrectly), rsync reads filenames in binary
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965 [16:38:04] <ratrace> %s/moving files/copying files/
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968 [16:40:16] <PsynoKhi0> ooo... OOOO... wait, it might not be spaces
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970 [16:42:18] <PsynoKhi0> from the rsync log the file names end with a year and the .pdf extension, on the source, ls gives me the squigly square thingy for undefined characters... could that be a copyright symbol
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972 [16:43:25] <PsynoKhi0> talk about barking up the wrong tree in that case
973 [16:44:15] <PsynoKhi0> e.g. the source file name contains ©20xx.pdf
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975 [16:45:51] <PsynoKhi0> maybe if I remount the share with a different character encoding
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980 [16:53:19] <ratrace> I suppose bad character encoding could mess things up. I've been utf-8-ing since long time and wouldn't know what windows does these days
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982 [16:53:55] <PsynoKhi0> waste everybody's time with "not invented here" idosyncracies, that's what...
983 [16:54:28] <PsynoKhi0> nice typo, that'll teach me trying to appear smart
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987 [17:03:36] <PsynoKhi0> also I badmouthed them without noticing I had my terminals mixed up, so the "unknown character" symbol is on the destination... that was stupid
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989 [17:04:44] <PsynoKhi0> path character limit?
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992 [17:05:52] <PsynoKhi0> nope... sorry for thinking aloud
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996 [17:08:51] <PsynoKhi0> nkuttler jelly ratrace: thanks for the pointers in any case, happy easter
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999 [17:09:51] <Foxfir3> how do i install visudo on Debian Bullseye
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1001 [17:11:26] <ratrace> Foxfir3: it's part of the sudo package
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1003 [17:12:30] <rr123> can not install debian 10.9 inside virtualbox for half-day, used to work fine, virtualbox reports " decompressing lzma error compressing data is corrupted", but I checked sha256sum and the iso is intact
1004 [17:12:59] <rr123> xfce iso cd (700MB) that is
1005 [17:13:01] <Foxfir3> ratrace: thanks. will try a reboot.
1006 [17:13:05] <ratrace> Foxfir3: wait... what for?
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1008 [17:13:12] <ratrace> rr123: which ISO filename _exactly_ ?
1009 [17:13:29] <rr123> replaced-url
1010 [17:13:45] <ratrace> rr123: okay, and you're using it with virtualbox how exactly?
1011 [17:13:49] <Foxfir3> ratrace: visudo not working on fres Debian install. I installed sudo.
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1013 [17:13:59] <ratrace> rr123: should be IDE cd-rom thingy with taht file as source, iirc
1014 [17:14:10] <rr123> virtualbox 6.1 from ubuntu 20.04
1015 [17:14:29] <ratrace> Foxfir3: "not working"? you need to run it as root, which could mean this:
1016 [17:14:30] <ratrace> !buster su
1017 [17:14:30] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
1018 [17:14:45] <ratrace> rr123: that doesn't answer my question
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1020 [17:15:53] <rr123> ratrace: i pointed IDE to this iso and start installing from the CD, same as what I did in the past which worked fine, in fact I have an older debian 10 running in the same virtualbox, somehow I can not install a new one
1021 [17:16:00] <Foxfir3> ratrace: thanks :) it 'works' now :D
1022 [17:16:20] <ratrace> Foxfir3: and you wanted to reboot ......... call a priest, ask him to exorcise that windows mentality out of you! :)
1023 [17:17:32] <ratrace> rr123: so you actually mean you can't _boot_ from that ISO? doesn't boot, and thus doesn't even begin installation, or is that error from something else?
1024 [17:17:49] <Foxfir3> ratrace: i know. i kernel stuff needs reboot. its magical wishing and never worked. Still do it though :D
1025 [17:19:20] <rr123> ratrace: i can install, except I can not complete, for netinstall iso it failed at the last step, for CD it failed after base packages are installed, sometimes even after I selected xfce tasks then fail after a while
1026 [17:19:35] <rr123> it just fails somewhere in the installation process for both net and CD iso
1027 [17:20:19] <rr123> meanwhile the old installed images rus fine in the same virtualbox
1028 [17:20:51] <ratrace> that's irrelevant, "old installed images" are not the same thing as running the installer. Can you imgur a screenshot of that error?
1029 [17:21:01] <ratrace> what exactly is the "last step" where it happens?
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1032 [17:21:26] <rr123> oops just removed the whole thing and am starting from scratch again, will screenshot in a few minutes
1033 [17:21:27] <ratrace> two different ISOs failing indicates the problem is not in ISOs (esp. if you checked checksums), but in your setup and/or virtualbox.
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1039 [17:28:10] <jhutchins> Perhaps resources?
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1072 [18:15:29] <wols> I have a debian live buster medium and its installer tells me something about missing kernel modules, which means I have no ethernet. I can boot the live distro with ethernet and console. How do I install debian from this debian live console? Recap: have console with internet, need to install debian in a simple way. Is this possible?
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1074 [18:16:33] <hegemoOn> anyone using FAI to install debian ?
1075 [18:17:07] <hegemoOn> i have a little issue, i try to reinstall a server, and it's failling cause there is interference with previous software raid configuration
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1077 [18:17:31] <hegemoOn> anybody has an hint to do a full disk wipe before setting things up
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1080 [18:18:18] <jhutchins> !firmware
1081 [18:18:18] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
1082 [18:18:39] <jhutchins> wols: Try one of the regular installer images instead of the live one.
1083 [18:19:27] <wols> jhutchins: is this for me? cause it's not a firmware issue but actual kernel modules. same medium works fine when I boot live. simple realtek nic
1084 [18:19:44] <wols> and creating an installer stick is what I wanted to avoid :(
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1086 [18:19:57] <wols> I guess I'll have to do it
1087 [18:20:16] <wols> thank you
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1089 [18:21:29] <jhutchins> wols: Mind your checksums.
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1096 [18:27:51] <hegemoOn> i guess dd is the key
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1100 [18:30:51] <ratrace> hegemoOn: also: wipefs and mdadm --zero-superblock, but dd'ing first few GB and last few GB should work in most cases, yes, otherwise full dd everything
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1103 [18:35:10] <hegemoOn> yes it works
1104 [18:35:30] <hegemoOn> now, i need to know how to add the dd step at the begining of the provisionning process
1105 [18:35:38] <hegemoOn> with FAI
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1120 [19:00:24] <johnfg> hi guys!
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1122 [19:01:34] <johnfg> I've been learning about using nmcli and have a question about assigning more than one ip to an interface, and wondering if that's done, if that entry in /etc/hosts should/can contain both ips.
1123 [19:02:04] <johnfg> Please recommend another channel that may be more specific. I'm running debian buster, all updates current.
1124 [19:02:43] <sney> it depends on whether you need resolution, and whether or not you have a nameserver that can do it for you
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1127 [19:03:27] <sney> /etc/hosts *can* contain more than one entry per ip
1128 [19:03:42] <shtrb> johnfg, this channel would be ok , but are you sure you are using the proper place ? you normally use nmcli to set ips you get from ISP/router and normally these should not be added in YOUR dns records but rather shared by your router dns server
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1130 [19:03:59] <shtrb> but you can assign as much as you like ip address in /etc/hosts
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1140 [19:10:23] <johnfg> shtrb: So, I have right now '192.168.0.107 my.host.org my' in /etc/hosts.
1141 [19:11:06] <shtrb> you can use your built in router's DNS server for such cases.
1142 [19:11:33] <johnfg> If I want to also have it using, assigned, resolving to (not sure what to call this) 174.45.100.100, do I add another line with the second ip, or do I use the same line?
1143 [19:11:48] <shtrb> You add a new line
1144 [19:11:58] <shtrb> with what ever name you like
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1146 [19:13:20] <johnfg> So then, on the local network, and when I have the /etc/hosts on my other machines with that similar entry, either ip would reach it?
1147 [19:13:25] <shtrb> just remember that if you have two different ips for the same hostname , it would always resolve the ip declared.
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1149 [19:13:40] <shtrb> no
1150 [19:13:40] <johnfg> shtrb: That makes sense.
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1157 [19:16:18] <shtrb> If you are working internal ips, that would be ok-ish (but it would be easier to define that on your router), if you are planning to maintain multiple records it would better to setup a DNS server (or use the one on your router) and point your local servers to use it, if you wish to make it avilable to other people you could even use GNS (involve tinkering and learning) or some dynamic dns provider (or you could even buy your own domain and maintain it
1158 [19:16:18] <shtrb> properly)
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1164 [19:21:56] <johnfg> shtrb: I'll have to check out GNS. Don't know what it is. Here's what happened. We have our own domain, owned by us since before Al Gore invented the internet!
1165 [19:22:15] <shtrb> Then just use DNS and not GNS
1166 [19:22:33] <shtrb> you can add as many records as you like
1167 [19:22:43] <johnfg> However, within the last 2 months, we began having our website hosted offsite, and our domain went over there.
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1169 [19:23:39] <johnfg> Thus, what I used to do, through the router, A record, C names, etc., I could no longer do. So far (and thanks for your help here today), I've got things working much better.
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1171 [19:25:14] <shtrb> You should be able to maintain your DNS records by any provider, it's easier to do with normal DNS records. GNS is good when you can not register DNS records (for any reason)
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1176 [19:28:18] <alex11> if i've backed up a folder with rsync and i do it again with -av (not -u) will it just copy over what's already there and nothing else; i guess my question is, it won't just duplicate right?
1177 [19:30:39] <alex11> also do i want to be backing up /etc as root? will it keep permissions and so on?
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1179 [19:31:39] <shtrb> alex11, no, it will perform a comparison (dates, sizes) and if they are the same a copy will not be done (I actually use -c to use checksums instead of that)
1180 [19:33:01] <alex11> i see a few permission denied when copying over /etc and i just wonder if i should be using root... maybe i should use root for everything except /home?
1181 [19:34:13] <shtrb> You are overwriting /etc somewhere else ?
1182 [19:34:34] <alex11> well i'm backing up /et
1183 [19:34:35] <alex11> etc
1184 [19:34:48] <alex11> i don't know what you mean by overwriting
1185 [19:34:55] <alex11> well
1186 [19:35:08] <alex11> i mean i had /etc backed up to my external hd and i just did an rsync -av to overwrite it, yes
1187 [19:35:12] <shtrb> may I ask why not to use git ? it will not store permissions , but it's easy enough (and store less space)
1188 [19:35:25] <alex11> if it won't store permissions then why bother
1189 [19:35:31] <johnfg> Well, unless I want to pay for another domain, I can't maintain the records there as I was doing it. The ip for the hosted website is the only one I can have at the registrars.
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1191 [19:35:58] <johnfg> alex11: FYI...there is a channel, #rsync where you could ask questions.
1192 [19:36:33] <alex11> i think i found the answer anyway
1193 [19:37:14] <somiaj> alex11: a lot depends on your recovery model, and how much of /etc is your custom configuration changes, vs just package defaults, and so on.
1194 [19:37:25] <johnfg> shtrb: As I use both git and rsync, for different tasks, why do you use git for your backups (if I understand you), and how does it use less space?
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1197 [19:39:23] <shtrb> johnfg, git is great to store differences for clear text files, as files rarely change (let say you backup once a day) you will not have many copies of non changed files. I use git for config (/etc + part of /usr ) and global rsync for binaries
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1200 [19:40:03] <shtrb> johnfg, you should be able to host ip at X and maintain DNS records at provider Y
1201 [19:40:21] <shtrb> you just pay to two different entities
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1204 [19:41:17] <somiaj> alex11: even if you don't want to backup permissions, some configs in /etc can only be read by root, so is there that to consider.
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1206 [19:41:40] <alex11> yeah i have it figured now
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1208 [19:45:05] <johnfg> shtrb: That's what I *am* doing now, paying to those two entities. But there's place for only one ip for the A Records. I can't have the hosting site's ip for the website, and my static ip for the local network.
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1210 [19:46:13] <johnfg> afaik, i.e. Since things are working (except for a problem on a windows 10 machine with openafs), I'll probably leave them as they are.
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1214 [19:48:18] <johnfg> Thanks for the help! ttyl!
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1240 [20:07:29] <alex11> is rsync --delete "remove files on the receiver that are not on the destination"?
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1243 [20:08:33] <oxek> isn't receiver and destination the same thing?
1244 [20:08:53] <alex11> sorry
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1246 [20:08:59] <alex11> is rsync --delete "remove files on the receiver that are not on the source"?
1247 [20:09:05] <alex11> is what i mean
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1252 [20:10:21] <oxek> yes
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1254 [20:10:35] <oxek> be careful with it
1255 [20:11:00] <alex11> i suppose i'll do a diff first and see what i don't want to keep
1256 [20:11:10] <line17> is there any video downloader like IDM in linux? i am looking for privacy-friendly tools/softwares/ways.. Thanks
1257 [20:11:24] <alex11> probably better than just doing blanket --delete
1258 [20:11:25] <oxek> don't know IDM, but there's youtube-dl
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1260 [20:11:42] <alex11> yeah but if you use youtube-dl don't use debian's version of it
1261 [20:11:45] <alex11> it's too old
1262 [20:11:55] <alex11> and doesn't work for a lot of things
1263 [20:11:57] <oxek> the version in buster-backports might work for a while
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1265 [20:12:02] <line17> alex11, what can do you recommend for me?
1266 [20:12:11] <alex11> i use virtualenv for it
1267 [20:12:20] <alex11> but youtube-dl's site has better instructions
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1272 [20:14:28] <EdePopede> sidenote: there was a new release yesterday and another during (european) night hours today.
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1276 [20:18:04] <shtrb> ,v youtube-dl
1277 [20:18:05] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; buster-backports: 2021.02.10-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2021.02.10-1; sid: 2021.02.10-1; buster-multimedia: 2021.03.31-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 2021.04.01-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2021.04.01-dmo1
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1279 [20:18:38] <shtrb> alex11, it's Feb 2021 it's considered too old ?
1280 [20:18:57] <alex11> it depends where you download from
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1282 [20:19:07] <alex11> in a perfect world youtube-dl would work for everything
1283 [20:19:16] <alex11> unfortunately websites/companies like to be jerks and change stuff
1284 [20:19:20] <alex11> so workarounds are needed
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1287 [20:19:27] <alex11> i would always use the latest version
1288 [20:19:46] <remline> I install youtube-dl via python (pip)
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1291 [20:22:40] <line17> alex11, what about this?
1292 [20:22:41] <line17> replaced-url
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1345 [21:07:27] <naptastic> Hi! I'm running a local mirror, which has stopped functioning for clients. They report a 404 on Contents-i386. Here's a complete list of all the 404's generated by `apt update`.
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1348 [21:08:32] <naptastic> The script I'm using for the mirror is called mirrorbuild.sh and I actually adapted it from Ubuntu. It uses debmirror under the hood.
1349 [21:09:25] <naptastic> The mirror stopped working some time in the last few weeks but I don't know when.
1350 [21:09:39] <naptastic> Please advise?
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1374 [21:25:32] <TheSilentLink> Hi anyone know why I get this error? I don't even have DKMS installed: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms: dkms: WARNING: Linux headers are missing, which may explain the above failures. please install the linux-headers-5.10.0-0.bpo.4-arm64 package to fix this. /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools:
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1379 [21:27:51] <TheSilentLink> looks like a purge got rid of it
1380 [21:27:52] <greycat> ,file etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms
1381 [21:27:57] <judd> Search for etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms in buster/amd64: dkms: etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms
1382 [21:28:03] <greycat> you *had* it installed, at leaest
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1384 [21:28:34] <TheSilentLink> yep I reinstalled it then ran sudo apt purge dkms and it is done from postinst.d
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1413 [21:49:47] <karlpinc> naptastic: The recommended way to mirror is: replaced-url
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1419 [21:53:16] <karlpinc> naptastic: Otherwise, if you want help with what you're doing, we need more info.
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1422 [21:54:29] <naptastic> karlpinc, it's ok; I figured out the problem. debmirror now requires the --getcontents option, which mirrorbuild.sh wasn't providing. I modified it, and it's downloading the missing bits now.
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1444 [22:06:25] <Xalys> Is 'Always' a valid value for APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade ? It seems to work, but I can't find a list of possible options
1445 [22:06:47] <Xalys> sorry, 'always' lowercase
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1456 [22:15:15] <Xalys> never mind, answered my own question: replaced-url
1457 [22:15:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1466 [22:22:12] <digi9> Is there any magic flag I can put in my package's DEBIAN directory that will prevent it from ever prompting the user to update config files?
1467 [22:22:32] <digi9> We're finding that users have a bad habit of mashing Y when prompted, then complaining to us that our software is broken
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1469 [22:23:27] <jim87> Hello! I need to retrieve the GPG key chain of buster to download some packages via apt (using appimage-builder). Which keyserver can I use and which key should I search? Thanks :)
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1503 [22:57:02] <imMute> digdilem: are the config files in /etc? then no, there's no way to not prompt the user.
1504 [22:57:20] <greycat> make 'em not be conffiles
1505 [22:57:37] <imMute> greycat: I don't think you can do that if they're in /etc ...
1506 [22:58:36] <greycat> don't ship the file as part of the package; generate it in the postinst
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