33[00:40:39] <maxrazer> petn-randall: Can you tell me what three libs are you got?
34[00:41:38] <maxrazer> wait, there is this r-cran-rgtk2
35[00:42:53] <maxrazer> That didn't work
36[00:44:02] <maxrazer> I installed all three and make still couldn't find gtk.h. Maybe it is a more complicated location problem. Either way Debian has no termite package.
37[00:46:04] <petn-randall> maxrazer: You might have to fix the build system to include files from there. Or it's so old that it's looking for obsolete versions.
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158[03:24:30] <maxtim> zfs on debian 10: I understand that I need to use backports, and I understand the risk involved when doing so. That being said, I just installed it on one of my machines. How's anyone's experience using zfs on debian? I have a TrueNAS installation, so I have use zfs on that platform. I'm wondering about the stability of the package mostly...
168[03:35:05] <SponiX> maxtim: odds are high that I have already built the most recent zfs backported from sid - if you just want to install that way
169[03:36:24] <maxtim> SponiX, I installed via buster-backports. Is there a whole lot of differences between sid and backports?
170[03:37:31] <sponix2ipfw> maxtim: never mind, the backport has been updated already it seems. If you are on version 2.0.3 - that is the exact same thing I was going to offer you anyway :P
181[03:42:33] <maxtim> I have, I think 72GiB of ram in my TrueNAS now. But I also have a lot of VMs running on that machine as well.
182[03:42:34] <rangergord> Hi. What is the Debian stable's equivalent of Ubuntu PPAs or CentOS 3rd party repos? Like if I want latest git, the latest Postgres, etc, what should I be doing? Anything easier than building from source or hoping the authors made an AppImage?
183[03:42:53] <rangergord> maxtim: damn, what you doing on that NAS?
187[03:43:26] <rangergord> I've found Docker to be a handy way to avoid the resource overhead of VMs for my home server
188[03:43:40] <maxtim> Websites, Plex, and NextCloud
189[03:43:56] <maxtim> it still like eats the ram, man
190[03:44:26] <rangergord> websites? like, serving actual websites to people on the net?
191[03:44:39] <rangergord> cause I know for sure the latter two don't need more than 6GB between them, and that's being generous
192[03:45:42] <SponiX> maxtim: that 1GB Ram per TB of storage is old school recommendations IMHO. I don't need/use nearly that. I have 32GB, run 3-4 VM's and a LOT of other stuff, no memory issues ( also don't use ECC )
193[03:46:17] <maxtim> no, a lot of my own little things. i like to mess around with these things. And many of them are outwardly facing, but are locked up and for my use only.
194[03:47:15] <maxtim> SponiX, are you saying not to use ECC, or are you saying that you don't use ECC?
195[03:47:33] <rangergord> SponiX: see what you get for not taking the tiome out to type an extra letter?
196[03:47:37] <SponiX> rangergord: "backports" is the 1st place to check
197[03:48:30] <SponiX> maxtim: I'm saying that personally I do not use ECC. Never have with my ZFS, and I've had data since back in 2006 that is still around and fine :P
198[03:48:30] <rangergord> SponiX: thanks, that does seem. Buster has git 2.20, backports has 2.2.9
199[03:48:33] <rangergord> 2.29
200[03:49:05] <SponiX> rangergord: Yeah, not everything is covered by the buster-backports. But _most_ of the stuff people commonly ask for over and over makes it
201[03:49:24] <SponiX> !ssb
202[03:49:24] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
203[03:49:45] <SponiX> rangergord: for the stuff that hasn't made it -- you can look into that process and actually backport it from Sid yourself
204[03:49:53] <rangergord> what are the odds of this breaking my system/packages? am I entering a world of pain?
205[03:50:31] <rangergord> also, if backports isn't enough, what's the next go-to solution? (like if I wanted git 2.31). Build from source? Or is there some PPA-like feature?
207[03:50:45] <SponiX> rangergord: if you are just hand picking a handful of backports you are probably fine. But I must admit, I got carried away and just did ALL of them prior, and did start to have a few issues LOL
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213[03:51:20] <maxtim> rangergord, from my experience with backports, (only me here) I've had some trouble with specifically nvidia drivers. Which I usually can fix by reinstalling the package if it breaks
214[03:51:49] <SponiX> rangergord: you could follow the SSB process (simple sid backport) and do it yourself from sid for the _latest_
215[03:52:39] <maxtim> Debian is sometimes frustratingly stable. But at least it doesn't break thousands of computers that use kyocera or network printers....
216[03:53:01] <maxtim> f'ng windows. the now infamous update of March 9th
217[03:53:09] <rangergord> I get that entirely. It's just that for dev tools, specific libraries I use, and Postgres , I'd prefer to be on latest.
218[03:53:19] <rangergord> about 5 packages total, if you don't count dependencies
220[03:54:05] <SponiX> rangergord: postgres is in the backports tree, not 100% sure HOW recent that version is though
221[03:54:16] <rangergord> I know Qt is painful so I keep that stuff out of path and install manually/deploy. Actually I wonder if that's what I should do for Postgres.
223[03:55:07] <maxtim> qt is a whole different beast. personally, I think you'd be fine (I'm no neckbeard though)
224[03:55:22] <SponiX> rangergord: If you have a priority of bleeding edge software and don't mind dedicating about an hour to an install process -- Arch is probably where you should be looking. Or if you want close to bleeding edge without the setup hassle there is Manjaro
234[03:59:06] <SponiX> rangergord: if just a handful of things, yeah. looking at existing backports, and possibly doing a few of your own -- seems legit
235[04:00:01] <rangergord> by doing a few of my own, you mean the SSB thing, or manually compiling the latest source from dev's website?
243[04:08:28] <rangergord> SponiX: if I want to stay on Buster for the next couple of years, does the backports approach still work? Or is there little chance when Bullseye comes out, that anything from unstable will be backported to Buster?
245[04:09:41] <SponiX> rangergord: I'm actually fairly new to Debian, but my thought on this is, when Bullseye becomes the new "stable" it will likely get most of the focus of backports from Sid, and Buster will likely start to see less
246[04:10:02] <SponiX> rangergord: I'm not 100% sure on that though, as I haven't followed Debian long enough to know for sure
247[04:10:35] <rangergord> ah, a fellow fresh-off-the-boat immigrant
251[04:13:17] <craigevil> you could always go on a wild ride and either use Testing or sid
252[04:14:08] <SponiX> !sid
253[04:14:08] <dpkg> rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
254[04:15:07] <craigevil> that's half the fun. Tweak it until it works great then tweak it until it breaks
255[04:15:23] <SponiX> I would consider riding testing honestly. just knowing it is close to code freeze and becoming Debian 11 anyway
256[04:15:28] <craigevil> that's how you learn :)
257[04:15:47] <SponiX> craigevil: seems he is in more of a production environment
258[04:15:56] <rangergord> yeah. not the internet-facing kind thankfully
259[04:16:06] <craigevil> ah then you might even consider debian-lts
260[04:17:28] <rangergord> I'm in this weird zone where I want everything to be stable and well-tested, but whenever I have a new need (new gcc, new version of arbitrary library, new git, new postgres, etc), I'd like to be able to get it
267[04:19:52] <rangergord> so once I have Debian 10 working like I want it, I'll make an image, and flash it onto partitions. But one year from now I might need a newer compiler for my app, newer Qt, etc
268[04:19:59] <rangergord> so I'll have to tweak the image
269[04:20:07] <craigevil> ah, stable might be the way to go then, if you do decide to upgrade you can always upgrade to Bullseye when it becomes the next stable
271[04:20:53] <rangergord> yeah I'm already on Buster. Actually, kind of forced by the fact that Bullseye dropped the Qt4 library, which one of my apps needs.
272[04:21:12] <rk4> trivial question...but there's so many different approaches...if i install the elpa-ace-window package, how do i actually load it? :(
278[04:25:49] <ryouma> i now have a quarter of physical memory being used, but i am not actually running any significant applications. i did memetat|sort -h and the top results are x, libc, and this: 214276k: PID 19206 (/usr/sbin/rsyslogd). is that normal? normally less memory is used.
279[04:25:50] <rangergord> !bdo
280[04:25:50] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
281[04:27:18] <SponiX> ryouma: you might want to visit replaced-url
319[04:56:11] <rangergord> that 430GB is for every single release, though, right? It's probably much more manageable if I just pick a single distro I want
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440[07:35:18] <jhutchins> There's a philosophu among site operators that if you don't want to be open and honest about your identity, we don't need you on your site.
442[07:36:51] <EdePopede> depending on the site there may be a good reason to use a vpn
443[07:38:09] <EdePopede> remember the discussions on repos and encrypting. some may not want to know their ISP or gov what they are doing. may it be using crypto software or getting info on specific topics.
444[07:39:09] <EdePopede> there even has been the idea years ago to always use https to make a swarm for such folks.
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453[07:44:28] <jhutchins> I do fully support those users who need to evade government surveilance in order to freely operate - not just play games without paying the fees.
454[07:45:06] <jhutchins> The vast majorityh of the Linux community is not in that category.
455[07:45:46] <craigevil> i don't play games other than Crossfire, kinda hard to play games using a raspberry pi400
457[07:46:40] <n4dir> 6 or 7 years ago i was trying hard to understand the concept of the freedombox, by that ran in darknets like i2p and onion too (the latter i knew before that, of course).
483[08:10:50] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hey, I want to migrate a software RAID1 with LUKS Debian UEFI install to Secure Boot. The `/boot` partition is left unencrypted, but the whole Btrfs root is encrypted. I already know about this page - replaced-url
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485[08:10:51] <mrjpaxton[m]> I don't want to accidentally lock myself out of the system, or something like that. My UEFI/BIOS setup lets be also create keys (MOKs), but I know there's a utility that does that. Anyway, how exactly would I migrate over a "non-Secure Boot" system to Secure Boot compatible?
507[08:33:39] <jhutchins> So you're making problems for yourself in order to mak life interesting, and you don't actually need a computer to do anything practical.
512[08:39:39] <lifostack> hi all is this a support chan? i've got a debian buster bare metal laptop and i installed zoom via GUI in my haste to make a monday meeting... it doesnt work... later on i installed via CLI/apt had no problems whatsoever.. but i want to get rid of the initial install as i've got two icons in applications menu now
539[08:46:25] <EdePopede> i used some gui installer a single time, then i switched to aptitude, now i'm with apt-get. can't even remember the name of that thingy.
540[08:46:54] <n4dir> on the command-line use "z" then autocomplete it, if nothing is found use "Z" and autocomplete, to find the executable's name
541[08:47:25] <n4dir> if both fails: try the command "locate", or "find / -iname '*zoom*'; or such
542[08:47:31] <jhutchins> lifostack: What desktop envrionment are you using? Where did you get the zoom package you installed.
543[08:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1008
544[08:48:56] <lifostack> zoom is not listed in the ls -l /usr/share/applications
545[08:49:39] <lifostack> ah looks like its still there "using tab autocomplete" as zoom-client ?
546[08:49:49] <lifostack> should i go ahead and apt purge zoom-client ?
547[08:50:35] <lifostack> i totally forgot about the autocomplete trick. thanks for the reminder. i wanted to use the locate/find cmds but i forgot how to use them (and what locates name was)
554[08:56:18] <lifostack> tons of errors about missing files (prob because of dual installs and one already having been removed) but zoom-client and the zoom icons are gone!
580[09:09:13] <ratrace> a lot of ubuntu maintainers/developers are also debian maintainers/developers. been like that forever
581[09:10:05] <Unit193> Yes, to the benefit of both really. grub2 is also maintained by one, and has been since forever.
582[09:10:43] <ratrace> snaps and apt don't collide in debian. in ubuntu, some .deb packages are just shims that actually install a snap. Chromium for example.
583[09:10:52] <EdePopede> heh, also seems to be used mostly by u*u users xD replaced-url
584[09:11:21] <Unit193> Or at least not yet, anyway.
585[09:11:22] <EdePopede> i wanted to look at that snap and the distro version, just can't find any direct link :/
586[09:11:33] <ratrace> afaik, no such shims in debian. however, in the case above, I think it was that infernal gnome software thingy that, at least on ubuntu, seamlessly integrates with snaps and you don't know what exactly you're installing on first glance.
587[09:12:17] <EdePopede> hiding the nasty bits and have the users believe in magic
588[09:12:36] <ratrace> and by that I mean you don't know if it's a snap or regular .deb, it's not clear until you look into package details.
589[09:13:44] <ratrace> if you ask me, that's a bug of such magnitude that should've been removed from debian. if that means dropping gnome, then drop the turdpile. snaps and flaptpaks have their use, yes, but they must be clearly, visibly, consciously and deliberately installed.
591[09:13:56] <EdePopede> it's easier first than thinking about a concept which *really* would help the users
592[09:15:44] <EdePopede> <ratrace> snaps and apt don't collide in debian. <-- that's what i don't get. to they check each file they'd like to use if it's in one of the repo packages already? even if, are snaps release specific? because this could change then.
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596[09:16:43] <EdePopede> i REALLY don't feel like having ANYTHING but apt* touch most parts of the directory tree.
597[09:17:08] <n4dir> same here.
598[09:17:46] <n4dir> being rather conservative regarding packages served me very well for, say, 15 years
599[09:18:06] <ratrace> EdePopede: snaps are containerized. loopback mounted squashfs container roots, mounting under /snaps. They never touch anything outside except a few rare places, and mostly into user's ~/
600[09:18:33] <EdePopede> ah. that's good to hear. just in case ;)
601[09:19:35] <ratrace> yeah but still, I wonder how installing zoom from snap happened on debian without user knowing. on ubuntu, snapd is installed by default and difficult to remove, and integrated with gnome Software, in that it seamlessly shows snaps and .deb software.
602[09:19:38] <EdePopede> though i also don't like the idea of additional top level directories. there's /opt after all, where Opera was sitting for some time on my system. many years ago.
603[09:19:50] <ratrace> is snapd now also installed when you select gnome desktop?
607[09:20:38] <ratrace> there's /opt, there's /usr/local, there's /var even. squashfs files are ideally located in /var and loopback mounted into /usr/local
608[09:20:40] <jelly> vendors do all sorts of horrible things with their packages
631[09:34:36] <craigevil> it only suggests the other packages: Suggests: plasma-discover-backend-flatpak, plasma-discover-backend-fwupd
632[09:35:33] <Lope> Having a very weird experience. Running a Windows 10 VM with Libvirt and KVM. I can't get more than 2 cores to show up in windows task manager. <vcpu placement='static'>12</vcpu> I've tried 12, 11, 4, etc. Only 2 show up. If I set it to 1, then 1 CPU core shows up. I undefine and redefine the libvirt domain every time so it's definitely getting the config every time. What could it be?
633[09:36:59] <EdePopede> lol i tried to get behind it. the snap thing seems to be only a wrapper or an install script around the official zoom debian package which i can't even find on zoo.us. the site itself is unusable, with a sign-up button and a demo request and a shopping button at the bottom. srsly, i wouldn't even know how to install zoom on debian.
634[09:38:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1015
635[09:38:26] <EdePopede> the least would be to mark snaps similar to non-free ;)
652[09:46:58] <EdePopede> is gdebi really needed or is it just convenience for ubuntu style users? generally spoken, not specific to zoom now.
653[09:47:07] <ratrace> Lope: btw do you actually have 12 physical cores?
654[09:47:18] <Lope> ratrace, it's a ryzen 3600
655[09:47:22] <Lope> 6c12t?
656[09:47:39] <Lope> Thanks bro. So what setting do you reckon I should use?
657[09:47:40] <ratrace> threads don't translate to extra cores tho :)
658[09:47:45] <EdePopede> oh, a gui. that's maybe why.
659[09:48:23] <ratrace> Lope: your performance will probably be worse than you think, due to context switches which are extra impacted by meltdown/spectre mitigations and
660[09:48:45] <Lope> ryzen doesn't have meltdown though
661[09:48:56] <Lope> and it's only got 1 subset of 1 spectre mitigation
665[09:50:30] <ratrace> Lope: in addition you should use "-cpu host" qemu-system option and whatever that translates to libvirt, otherwise windows can't tell it's amd and not activate mitigations .. if it does that at all
728[10:06:34] <Lope> the VM booted at light speed BTW!
729[10:06:50] <Lope> It's for a client
730[10:06:51] <ratrace> Lope: if you're aiming for performance, you're doing it wrong btw
731[10:07:00] <Lope> U reckon?
732[10:07:06] <ratrace> yes. for performance, you want to isolate the cpus from the host scheduler
733[10:07:44] <ratrace> using isolcpus kernel option on the host, you designate, SAY for example, cores 2,3,4 for the VM, and leave 0,1 for the host. or whatever combo.
734[10:08:23] <ratrace> and most certainly don't count HT as a core
735[10:09:47] <ratrace> that part is a bit counterintuitive because some workloads benefit from more cores even if they're shared with the host. but as a general rule of thumb you want to reduce context switches and collisions with host scheduling as much as possible.
736[10:11:47] <ratrace> that's why I asked what's teh purpose of the VM, because bruteforcing core count may or may not be what you want.
763[10:28:26] <ratrace> Lope: may happen that the VM won't start because ARC is full and not yielding. actually, _will_ happen if ARC is large enough so you don't have "unused" RAM or pagecached, for the VM
764[10:28:48] <ratrace> Lope: if that happens... either drop ARC, permanently rduce it, or reserve RAM for VMs via hugepages
768[10:29:46] <ratrace> especially if you're on zfs 2.0.3 on debian from bullseye or buster backports, 2.x.x has much higer ARC pressure now and can easily lead to oom if other processes want "teh rams"
769[10:30:17] <ratrace> it's a certainty with VMs. the kernel wants large amount reserved in one go and fails because ARC doesn't yield
804[11:24:26] <ahub> Hi, I setup my first debian box, and it's actually an old laptop. I found the setting to prevent the sleep on lid close. But now it goes in sleep mode after a while, and I didn't find what/why is doing it.
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809[11:29:00] <ratrace> ahub: either your desktop environment's power options, or screen saver, or logind (see /etc/systemd/logind.conf)
810[11:29:47] <ratrace> it's possible I'm missing another mechanism, but the above ones are vast majority of them
811[11:33:10] <ahub> ratrace: thanks. I disabled gdm.service to try to get rid of the behaviour. No success yet. My goal is to use it as a headless server anyway.
848[12:07:11] <ratrace> the only problem I have with using laptops in server roles (for important data storage or processing before storage), is lack of ECC
857[12:12:07] <flrnd> and the fact that most laptops heat mitigation design sucks balls, and any semi-intensive workload would end with some internal fried on the long run
858[12:12:27] <slawuta> Hi, does Debian Bullseye support installation with full disk encryption / LUKS2 ? It seems to me like it does not.
862[12:16:15] <ratrace> omarek: if it's the same installer as in buster, and I believe it is, then yes. otherwise:
863[12:16:18] <ratrace> !debian-next
864[12:16:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
869[12:21:12] <omarek> ratrace: Going through the dialog boxes in bullseye installer gives me an impression it tries to set up encrypted LVM volumes, and I don't want LVM unless necessary.
870[12:21:40] <omarek> I found a guide which talks about converting a disk to a fully encrypted one, but there's a number of steps after installation replaced-url
873[12:22:56] <omarek> ratrace: Hard to say if it's the same installer as in buster. I upgraded to buster. There's no convenient way to compare the installer unless I prepare 2 boot USB's.
874[12:23:42] <ratrace> omarek: it does LVM atop of LUKS yes. If that's not suitable, you'll have to do manual partitioning. It _is_ possible to set up manual partitions without LVM.
875[12:24:10] <omarek> ratrace: Is the guide up to date - does GRUB not support LUKS2 ?
889[12:36:06] <qman__> the "normal" way to do it is with unencrypted /boot, a big LUKS partition, with LVM on it, so you can have multiple volumes inside that large encrypted partition
890[12:36:17] <qman__> I'm not familiar with bullseye so I don't know what's new
891[12:36:20] <rk4> last time i used the debian installer it was a plaintext /boot
905[12:51:37] <omarek> Ubuntu guides recommend 20,30,40 GB for the root (/) partition. I'll be using a separate /var partition. Databases go into /var which can come up in development.
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914[12:53:53] <qman__> 10GB can get tight; and yes, if you use LVM, it's not a problem, because you can leave extra unallocated space and allocate it later
916[12:54:21] <omarek> oxek: I looked into btrfs, and it looks like the biggest advantages only come up if you set up RAID. Auto-correction for example.
917[12:54:43] <oxek> it's still cow & has checksumming
918[12:54:52] <omarek> And even in 2020, there are multiple anecdotes of btrfs failures.
919[12:55:23] <oxek> omarek: link them to me, I'm thinking of deploying btrfs and am looking for reasons not to
920[12:55:33] <oxek> I'm not gonna do RAID5/6 anyway, so I don't worry about that write hole
921[12:55:34] <omarek> oxek: how does copy on write benefit me?
922[12:56:07] <omarek> I ask because most btrfs articles go straight into advanced enterprise features I don't need.
923[12:56:38] <ratrace> omarek: it's a pooled fs so you don't have to manage sizes for individual submounts at all
924[12:57:19] <ratrace> one problem with btrfs is that the debian installer doesn't support it automatically, so you have to set it up manually
925[12:57:25] <qman__> personally, I would not use btrfs - zfs is better, older, and safer, and has great linux support now, the only downside is it's not GPL
927[12:58:06] <ratrace> zfs on machines with roles other than zfs storage can often be problematic, collisions of ARC and pagecache
928[12:58:06] <omarek> oxek: It's the comment thread at Hacker News. It could be that all those people carelessly used --repair, I don't know. replaced-url
929[12:58:17] <qman__> that's easily configurable
930[12:59:09] <ratrace> I use both btrfs and zfs, atop of luks, in various roles. always RAID. I couldn't imagine running anything else these days, in situations where data mattered.
972[13:13:20] <qman__> I have several APC SmartUPS 1400/1500 towers, all very old, purchased used around $150 per unit, a set of batteries lasts about 3 years and costs about $100
1010[13:56:58] <IamTrying> Guys, How do i mine ETH coin with my 6 x NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 graphics card? Is there already package available for miners?
1025[14:09:12] <TheBigK02> i kinda want to upgrade GPU as well... but 1070... isnt terrible yet i feel... even the balance is not there paired with a 3900x... but... i usually play csgo anyways... thats cpu bottlenecked anyways :D
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1030[14:13:55] <oxek> why do people buy GPUs to mine coins, instead of buying an ASIC? Would it be cheaper to get the ASIC, while also providing better performance?
1032[14:21:10] <ratrace> oxek: as I recently learned, because they can't sell them after their jokecoin becomes too expensive to mine
1033[14:21:46] <oxek> yeah, that's a good point
1034[14:21:52] <oxek> can always sell a used GPU
1035[14:21:54] <ratrace> or you can't switch them to another algorithm when jokecoin goes bust and someone comes up with a new bowwowcoinjokeclownthing
1036[14:22:33] <ratrace> hope their power plants go into overvoltage, their dogejokes get stolen and nobody buys their gpus because we all switched to radeon
1037[14:22:42] <TheBigK02> do ASICs exist for etherium ?
1038[14:23:04] <TheBigK02> i thought its different for etherium cause u can use those coins to compute stuff?
1039[14:23:18] <TheBigK02> may be im wrong... im complete blockchain noob :D
1042[14:27:06] <shad1> Hi, im on debian buster on my dell XPS15, half of the time i plug in the HDMI cable the whole computer freezes. I suspect it has to do with graphics drivers. I was able to install nvidia-detect, which says i should install nvidia-drivers, but when i run "apt install nvidia-driver" it says most of the stuff is uninstallable or not installed. Any idea what i can do ?
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1071[14:39:16] <ratrace> also, I'd recommend installing the drivers from buster-backports repo, the 460.39 version. 418 in Stable is known to have some issues
1119[15:02:27] <ratrace> isapgswell: I ask all these question because wired (usb) mouse lag is very unusual on linux. usually the lags are artifacts of bad rendering performance, or bugs under wayland... whichm now that I mention, are you running cs.go under gnome?
1120[15:02:30] <flrnd> another thing, does the keyboard suffer from input lag ONLY in CSGO? because I don't see the connection here. The keyboard either have input lag or dont, not only in a game
1139[15:05:57] <ratrace> oxek: that's likely rendering lag
1140[15:05:57] <TRS-80> Is there any way to disable IPv6 in Debian installer?
1141[15:06:01] <busternube> installed buster netinstall , i use an old kvm switch so the monitor is not detected. i read i have to genrate modelines and use xandr and stuff but its 2021 shouldnt i just be able to select the rez i want the thing to put out from a list?
1142[15:06:23] <isapgswell> ratrace yes
1143[15:06:37] <oxek> ratrace: maybe. I just learned to live with it for now, since I don't know how to fix it. I've been told to experiment with schedulers, etc. but I'm not comfortable with that yet.
1146[15:06:59] <TRS-80> busternube: My experience has been that there is a lot of outdated info on Internet like you are talking about (xrandr, etc.) but most of time it should "just work" nowadays.
1147[15:06:59] <flrnd> those wired mouse lags are for I/O bottlenecks
1151[15:07:13] <isapgswell> ratrace yes that's likely rendering lag
1152[15:07:17] <ratrace> oxek: but other things lag too then, keypresses, or any actions, windows opening, moving, rendering, ...
1153[15:07:20] <isapgswell> ratrace maybe
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1155[15:08:02] <isapgswell> ratrace the big problem is that my intel has no conection to hdmi
1156[15:08:07] <oxek> ratrace: no, only mouse, typing is fine and so is playing a video and sound
1157[15:08:38] <ratrace> isapgswell: what intel, you said you had nvidia
1158[15:08:42] <busternube> trs-80 the problem is the monitor detect software is blocked from dtecting the monitor but i should be able to tell the gpu what mode to use. it sohuld be here within mouse click
1159[15:08:51] <ratrace> oxek: wayland?
1160[15:08:56] <isapgswell> ratrace i talked to aaronp from #nvidia and he said it is DDC conflict
1161[15:09:23] <oxek> ratrace: xorg
1162[15:09:24] <busternube> do i need mfgr driver to be updated
1170[15:10:52] <busternube> its a 16 port server switch
1171[15:11:47] *** Parts: hdparm (~ca@replaced-ip) ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
1172[15:11:47] <isapgswell> ratrace it could be libinput
1173[15:12:07] <busternube> is there a rez switcher app i can install
1174[15:12:30] <isapgswell> oxek when i use evdev is less laggy
1175[15:13:02] <oxek> I can easily reproduce it by `sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10000`. The lag starts happening after a few seconds and only stops once it is done.
1176[15:13:17] <oxek> it's even worse then it is a lot of random reads or writes
1177[15:13:41] <oxek> the CPU utilization is close to nothing
1198[15:18:19] <oxek> let others be the guinea pigs
1199[15:18:33] <flrnd> I'm using the 5.10 on 2 machines at home and haven't experienced anything out of extraordinary
1200[15:19:00] <flrnd> oxek: well, yeah, no hurry anyway if it works right now
1201[15:19:10] <oxek> I'm sure it's fine for 99.9+% of users. I'm just one of those unlucky ones that often run into weird cases that should not be possible.
1202[15:19:10] <ratrace> oxek: it's fine now. data eating bugs were found adn fixed pre .10 point release :)
1212[15:20:30] <ratrace> 4.19 had mq corruption bug. 4.14 or 4.19 had ext4 corruption bugs
1213[15:20:53] <ratrace> 5.10 had ext4 "mmmmh data yum-yum!" eating disorder...
1214[15:21:14] <oxek> lol
1215[15:22:24] <IamTrying> TheBigK02, ratrace, oxek: ASIC price is becoming 80,000 USD / 1 pcs. which is why i have bought like 50,000 USD GPU cards only.
1216[15:23:06] <busternube> seems like 720p isnt too much to ask from a default resolution list for us noobs
1217[15:23:30] <oxek> IamTrying: gotta have money to make money I guess
1218[15:24:06] <zoug> hello, I have added a second harddrive to my machine, I initially set it up to have an encrypted filesystem. Is it possible to setup this new drive as RAID1 without having to redo the setup? If so, do I need to recreate the same filesystems, and encrypt them the same way before enabling RAID1? I am not finding any info for this (admittedly weird)
1219[15:24:06] <zoug> setup. If you guys can help me... thanks a lot!
1220[15:24:09] <IamTrying> correct. since ASIC came, the price has no limit anymore. and people have mad like money. once it is release. all get out of stock. oxek
1221[15:24:59] <ratrace> IamTrying: like I said before. I hope your power plant goes into voltage overdrive, your coins get stolen, and nobody buys your GPUs because we've all moved to radeon.
1222[15:25:29] <IamTrying> oxek: China is playing this out of stock game. no body has stock anymore. therefore GPU is the best way. And linux. Also they customised linux and selling as mining os. Instead of telling king of linux names: CentOS, Ubuntu, Fedora. They are selling now own linux. China
1223[15:25:44] <oxek> don't worry, bitcoin will crash in 2140 because no more can be mined and hence miners can get any more money
1224[15:25:56] <oxek> *can't
1225[15:26:19] <ratrace> oxek: it'll only go up then. supply and demand; with supply effectively gone.
1226[15:26:37] <IamTrying> lol ratrace. i have a industry size mining space will consume 40K watt
1227[15:26:39] <oxek> but you can't even make on-chain transactions anymore at that point
1228[15:27:06] <ratrace> IamTrying: sned me one of those for nvidia's MSRP + shipping
1229[15:27:18] <oxek> IamTrying: well, I hope you're at least donating some of that to debian
1230[15:28:02] <oxek> ratrace: you'd seriously want an nvidia GPU?
1231[15:28:12] <ratrace> oxek: would convert toa nother crypto currency. that's the thing with blockchain and cryptocurrencies. unique and impossible to faux
1232[15:28:16] <zoug> hello, I have added a second harddrive to my machine, I initially set it up to have an encrypted filesystem. Is it possible to setup this new drive as RAID1 without having to redo the setup? If so, do I need to recreate the same filesystems, and encrypt them the same way before enabling RAID1? I am not finding any info for this (admittedly weird)
1233[15:28:17] <zoug> setup. If you guys can help me... thanks a lot!
1234[15:28:21] <ratrace> oxek: rtx3090? YESSIRE
1235[15:28:44] <ratrace> I wanted 3060ti but those are out of stock as well. ENTIRE FRIGGIN RX30 line is "oot!"
1236[15:28:49] <IamTrying> ratrace: i bought 30 of them. cant sell
1237[15:28:56] <ratrace> so much so that nvidia resurrected 1650! 1650!!!!
1238[15:28:59] <oxek> ratrace: but it's nvidia... and "f*ck nvidia" is the linux motto
1239[15:29:06] <ratrace> IamTrying: just one, you'll have 29 still
1242[15:29:43] <zoug> ratrace oxek IamTrying if you guys could take this over somewhere else since it has nothing to do with debian and it floods the channel... debhelper
1307[15:39:04] <blackop> i have external sata usb cd/dvd rom
1308[15:39:07] <blackop> and usb floppy
1309[15:39:24] <blackop> i think it can boot from usb flash
1310[15:39:46] <ratrace> check it, then. BIOSes that old didn't have USB boot option
1311[15:40:18] <ratrace> last computer I remember that couldn't boot off of USB I replaced in 2009, so back then it was ~10 years old
1312[15:40:21] <blackop> machine is this by the way: replaced-url
1313[15:40:25] <flrnd> I don't follow why waste time in doing the bootable thing when it already has debian installed
1314[15:40:37] <flrnd> :shrugs:
1315[15:40:52] <n4dir> mainly because that is what he asked for
1316[15:40:54] <ratrace> oh I missed that part, I understood there's windows installed?
1317[15:41:08] <flrnd> yeah, but what he asked and what he really needs don't concur
1318[15:41:21] <n4dir> it is not me to decide that
1319[15:41:56] <n4dir> if it was i'd say: what he really needs is more recent hardware. Not much fun with a 20 year old device
1320[15:42:12] <flrnd> well, sometimes a good advice is not what people expect. He may save a lot of time and frustration just learning how to edit a file and do a system upgrade
1321[15:42:42] <blackop> who said that i need?
1322[15:42:44] <blackop> i said i want :p
1323[15:42:53] <n4dir> we can talk back and forth, but he will have to say himself what he wants.
1324[15:42:57] <blackop> i have more recent hardware already
1325[15:43:07] <blackop> vintage is just for fun
1326[15:43:28] <ratrace> note also that such old hardware would probably be difficult if not impossible to run with new software, even 32-bit only.
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1328[15:43:52] <n4dir> i never had problems running actual software with old machines.
1330[15:44:35] <ratrace> well what I mean is... for example, if you want to browse the net, that's gonna be very difficult, maybe impossible due to minimum instruction requirements of browsers, let alone memory and cpu expectations of "teh modern web 3.0"
1438[16:20:07] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, anyone familiar with Supermicro's IPMI java console? I can't make it usable in Buster with icedtea, the window becomes unresponsive whenever it resizes or loses focus
1542[16:39:41] <oxek> psiance: any chance you can use ipmitool? Fortunately the newer boards have html5 webinterface, maybe a bios update exists for your board?
1543[16:40:08] <oxek> oh sorr psiance didn't mean to tag you
1602[17:08:16] <TRS-80> ratrace: Yes, that did the trick, thank you very much. Press TAB to be able to enter that from Live / Installer GRUB menu (learned that in ##linux just now).
1603[17:08:40] <TRS-80> Anyway, I seem to be able to get past DCHP now, so back to work. Cheers!
1733[18:57:00] <blackop> i installed it already on another machine because this one doesnt support usb boot
1734[18:57:21] <blackop> i took off hdd and put on another machine with usb boot support
1735[18:57:34] <blackop> after installation finished i put hdd back to X20
1736[18:57:36] <rudi_s> blackop: Try removing the quiet from the kernel commandline. In GRUB press F10 and then natigate to "linux .." and drop the "quiet" if it's there.
1737[18:57:53] <blackop> as i said i can see grub menu, it loads hardware [OK] lines
1738[18:58:06] <rudi_s> This should at least get let you see what's going on during the boot.
1739[18:58:33] <blackop> you mean tty ?
1740[18:58:50] <rudi_s> What do you mean with "tty"?
1741[18:59:12] <blackop> command line
1742[18:59:15] <blackop> not DE
1743[19:00:25] <rudi_s> blackop: Well, yes. Command line is the first step. But to get to that you need to see what's going on during boot. Assuming you don't at the moment, you should "remove" from the kernel command line to get more information during boot.
1778[19:08:11] <blackop> cant i login to DE on thix machine?
1779[19:08:20] <n4dir> try startx again, probably same error. Just more easy to troubleshoot if the display manager is out of the way
1780[19:08:59] <n4dir> then log a the log file, it should be in /home/username/.local/share/xorg or similar
1781[19:09:22] <n4dir> there should also be a file /home/username/.xsession-errors
1782[19:09:39] <n4dir> thats pretty much all i got to offer. good luck
1783[19:10:14] <blackop> too complicated
1784[19:10:27] <n4dir> well, last note: with all the stoneage hardware i ran into over the years, debian usually worked, if it didn't, the distribution antix was another good bet. Assuming you won't succeed
1808[19:20:52] <n4dir> i am not in graphics, works out of box for me, but if you search for "debian startx no screens found", quite some results will refer to the xorg.conf file (not not used anymore, per default). But, if not wrong, for that you will also need to know which graphics chip you use
1830[19:35:18] <lifostack> hi all, simple debian question here... some files returned in my ls listing have single quotes around them, other files dont, anyone know why that is?
1831[19:35:28] <lifostack> do the file names literally have single quotes in them?
1832[19:35:53] <lifostack> some directories have quotes around them too?
1833[19:35:58] <lifostack> oh is it because of spaces in the name?
1838[19:36:42] <petn-randall> lifostack: We also answer silly questions, as long as they're well formulated ;)
1839[19:37:06] <lifostack> but that actually brings up a second question... sometimes when i want to tab-autocomplete a file name for instance when i'm moving a file, i have no problem doing so even for files with spaces, but when i go to unzip or untar a file, i dont have that luxury
1840[19:37:22] <lifostack> is it that some cmds have the luxury/capability of auto complete while others dont?
1842[19:38:49] <petn-randall> lifostack: That's quite possible. Autocomplete depends on your shell, and programs can ship hints for your shell, so you can also autocomplete parameters for some programs.
1843[19:40:32] <lifostack> petn-randall, whats the proper format now? i came from an era in IRC when you didnt text flood and sometimes had to break your question up over multiple short lines.
1844[19:40:42] <lifostack> now days with discord, and all the other stuff slack, people dont like that anymore?
1845[19:40:56] <lifostack> or do you just mean in general?
1851[19:45:30] <petn-randall> lifostack: You mean regarding "silly questions"? We still use IRC, and we're completely fine with newbie questions, as long as the mindset is right: We see that you tried to do what's within your capabilities, and you got stuck somewhere, and you took the time to describe the issue. So in this case it was a good question, not so much silly.
1852[19:46:01] <petn-randall> I'm not aware of any Debian discord support channels, though there probably are some unofficial ones.
1860[19:54:50] <toxic> Hello everyone, I've just discoveres using fstab tou mount smb shares is not the best way today and I've read I should use systemd instead
1861[19:55:13] <EdePopede> Discord and DFSG? so i'd hope nobody would take Debian into Discord. Discourse on the other hand....
1867[19:57:43] <EdePopede> " Fstab is horrible." [citation needed]
1868[19:57:47] <toxic> anyway, I'm facing issues with fstab so why not change things around..; While I'm at it, I'm actually looking to find something that would discover all accessible shares of a server given a user and mount each of them in it's matching directory
1876[20:01:48] <jmcnaught> toxic: systemd converts /etc/fstab entries to .mount units at boot, so there might not be much difference. "man systemd.mount" even says "In general, configuring mount points through /etc/fstab is the preferred approach."
1877[20:02:03] <EdePopede> # fsck /dev/leg
1878[20:02:29] <toxic> thanks jmcnaught !
1879[20:02:47] <petn-randall> I wouldn't add any smb mounts to fstab/systemd.mount at all. You can simply browse and access them via the file manager of your DE.
1885[20:05:24] <toxic> petn-randall, that's not helpfull, there are so many reasons one wants to mount a smb that I don't know which one to start with....
1886[20:05:39] <greycat> Sounded helpful to me. *shrug*
1889[20:06:38] * EdePopede avoids GUI fm's, even double commander. the latter one mostly because it lacks some of Total Commander's features, and Linux has really usable terminals.
1890[20:06:44] <petn-randall> toxic: Sure, there might be some edge cases. But your system not booting through because the remote SMB is down sounds like a downside to me.
1891[20:07:12] <ratrace> add nofail to the fstab options so it doesn't hang your boot if the remote is down
1988[21:27:05] <busternube> newbie netinstall behind KVM switch offfers only 1024x rez , its an onboard radeon chip. i downloaded radeon drivers for linux probably made it worse. went back to apt install amdgpu drivers but it fails.
1989[21:27:19] <sney> !amd firmware
1990[21:27:19] <dpkg> Binary-only firmware for the amdgpu and radeon <DRM> drivers is packaged for Debian as firmware-amd-graphics. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features are commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>, then install firmware-amd-graphics.
1992[21:28:05] <busternube> reading online people having same problem installing amdgpu in the latest kernal and revert to previous kernal or somethhing.
2002[21:29:23] <busternube> i think i opted for firmware on the install
2003[21:29:29] <EdePopede> iirc right after login it uses near to 300mb here
2004[21:29:39] <blackop> actually..
2005[21:29:40] <EdePopede> so a lot of swapping i guess?
2006[21:29:42] <blackop> lemme check
2007[21:29:54] <busternube> i downloaded radeon driovers from amd.com catalyst for linux i think
2008[21:30:14] <blackop> using half of the ram unfortunately
2009[21:30:19] <blackop> and a lot cpu
2010[21:30:24] <sney> the amdgpu-pro/catalyst driver usually just fails to build on debian without extra work, so you probably just have a partial dkms tree from that
2011[21:30:25] <petn-randall> busternube: Are there instructions to revert this?
2012[21:30:36] <blackop> installed partition was about 12gb
2013[21:30:38] <gyt0> jhutchins, seriously? They don't seem to have much knowledge ;)
2014[21:30:42] <blackop> 1gb might be swap area
2015[21:30:49] <busternube> i ran it from file manager so i dont know if it even worked the term window canished and i didnt use any "-y"
2020[21:31:09] <rangergord> Buster would crash and reboot with no indication of what went wrong when I would log in the KDE/Plasma shell. Once I intalled Gnome and started using Gnome Classic, no issues whatsoever. Any educated guesses as to what was preventing me from using KDE?
2021[21:31:31] <rangergord> I didn't really troubleshoot, just installed firmware-misc-nonfree
2022[21:32:01] <flrnd> blackop: XFCE is not a good option for that computer. You should consider using something like blackbox, dwm, or something like that.
2023[21:32:20] <flrnd> blackop: also, ditching the traditional swap partition for ZRAM will improve performance
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2025[21:32:37] <flrnd> not much, anyway, because snails being snails :P
2026[21:32:40] <EdePopede> dwm is the suckless one?
2027[21:32:47] <flrnd> yep
2028[21:32:54] <EdePopede> configuration by rebuilding it?
2029[21:32:59] <EdePopede> i liked it :)
2030[21:33:35] <flrnd> Well, that maybe hardcore. But I mean, XFCE will eat cpu cycles with every screen render/redraw
2036[21:37:58] <busternube> i'm total noob at this i just wanted to run a linux box
2037[21:38:48] <sney> there is a little bit of a bump to get over when running it on modern x86_64 hardware, thanks to hardware vendors clashing with debian's free software guidelines. but once you have the firmware you need, it'll work fine
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2055[21:50:03] <flrnd> afaik the problem with kvm switches is that can't reach the EDID from the monitor resulting in incorrect resolutions. But that's all I can tell because I never had one of those
2056[21:50:50] <flrnd> busternube: if you didn't try already, pass the resolution as kernel parameter
2063[21:52:28] <jhutchins> busternube: One of the first steps would be to see if booting to multi-user.target works. Also, if your DE has a control panel for monitor settings it should show you what hardware it detected.
2064[21:53:06] <flrnd> the problem is that behind the KVM switch that doesn't matter, because it cant reach the monitor to get a proper resolution
2065[21:53:31] <busternube> learning to check my non-free sources
2066[21:53:36] <jhutchins> busternube: Have you tested it without the KVM? KVMs are notorius for that.
2067[21:53:37] <flrnd> resulting in a corrupted / wrong resolution
2068[21:54:13] <flrnd> I think passing the video parameter with the resolution would fix the problem, overriding the corrupted resolution
2070[21:55:15] <busternube> i remember getting a black screen yes earlier today wh3en booting without the SWITCH
2071[21:55:25] <flrnd> that's a firmware problem
2072[21:56:09] <flrnd> !firmware
2073[21:56:10] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
2074[21:56:22] <jhutchins> busternube: Did you test to see if you could get to a consle? Ctl-Alt-F1?
2075[21:57:06] <busternube> no not yet as a noob tht is not yet instinct
2163[22:23:25] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: I figured there was some kind of logic to it.
2164[22:24:08] <jmcnaught> !debian.net
2165[22:24:08] <dpkg> The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See replaced-url
2166[22:24:14] <jmcnaught> I forgot there was a factoid for it
2207[22:46:40] <sney> for everyone who doesn't know, ondrej sury is debian's php maintainer, he hosts a repo for php builds other than the one in stable, because sometimes that's needed.
2208[22:46:51] <sney> his packages are identical quality to the "real" ones because it's the same guy
2209[22:46:51] <petn-randall> Anarchy7: Also read the upgrade notes, it explicitely tells you which steps need to be done before upgrading.
2210[22:47:43] * Mister00X furiously scribbles that down
2211[22:47:44] <petn-randall> Well, debian-multimedia was also by a DD, but had a questionable quality.
2212[22:48:12] <sney> this is more akin to backports (and er, front-ports)
2217[22:48:36] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
2218[22:49:54] <Anarchy7> I have only 3 lines which are suggested by #debian channel, the rest are commented with
2219[22:50:12] <sney> Anarchy7: check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ then
2243[23:07:33] <Anarchy7> after this sudo apt-get upgrade Im on mailman package configuration, I choose English but the same Language menu comes in front of me again and again 100 times
2276[23:27:20] <busternube> THAT KERNEL ISSUE ISNT FOR AMD
2277[23:27:23] <sney> it's temporary if you added it at the boot menu. you can see which kernel you are using in the same menu, it'll say "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.19.0-14-amd64' or something like that, the 4.19.0-14 is your kernel version
2278[23:27:25] <busternube> sry
2279[23:27:30] <Anarchy7> after sudo apt-get update I become W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
2280[23:27:30] <Anarchy7> 112695A0E562B32A
2281[23:27:31] <Anarchy7> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
2282[23:27:31] <Anarchy7> 648ACFD622F3D138
2283[23:27:38] <Anarchy7> can I ignore this or is there a fix?
2284[23:27:39] *** Anarchy7 was kicked by debhelper (flood)
2287[23:28:41] <busternube> i read one that says cvt to get a modeline to add to xorg.conf or something
2288[23:28:50] <petn-randall> Anarchy7: Please use a paste site like mentioned in the /topic, or debhelper will kick you.
2289[23:29:02] <Anarchy7> okay sorry
2290[23:29:05] <sney> Anarchy7: warnings can usually be ignored, as long as it doesn't stop you from upgrading. try to finish your upgrade to stretch and then worry about extra warnings/messages afterwards.
2291[23:29:09] <petn-randall> That's a flood protection in this channel, nothing personal.
2325[23:52:31] <dob1> where can I find logs about a process that get killed by the kernel for I suppose cpu/ram usage?
2326[23:52:47] <dondelelcaro> dob1: dmesg -H; will show you some information
2327[23:53:33] <dob1> dondelelcaro, Out of memory: Kill process 8298 (java) score 197 or sacrifice child so ram usage?
2328[23:56:22] <petn-randall> Is there a way to search for files/dirs in Debian *source* packages like apt-file search does for binary packages?
2329[23:56:23] <digdilem> yes. somethig using java is using more memory than can be made available, so oomkiller has killed that process to protect the os
2330[23:57:25] <dob1> digdilem, why it didnt' used swap?
2331[23:57:53] <digdilem> dob1, maybe it did and used that too, or maybe the usage wasn't suitable for swap
2332[23:58:32] *** Quits: LucaTM (~LucaTM@replaced-ip) (Quit: To infinity and beyond...)
2333[23:58:35] <digdilem> do you have any monitoring that will tell you more?
2334[23:59:31] <dob1> digdilem, no, what do you suggest to install?