3[00:03:24] <rawtaz> hi. quick question, running the graphical 10.8 installer.. it has a step to add an additional, non-root, user. how do you skip that step?
13[00:06:56] <rawtaz> quadrathoch2: nope, it never asked. it just takes you to a screen where (after the root user screen) it asks you for the username to use for the non-admin account it will create.
14[00:07:14] <quadrathoch2> rawtaz can you go back?
15[00:07:17] <rawtaz> i noticed now that i can back to the main screen and manually go through the steps there
18[00:08:24] <rawtaz> but its highly unclear if the root password i supply will actually be saved, since that step is part of the same "configure user accounts" section that i dont complete by not adding the normal user..
19[00:09:16] <rawtaz> we'll see
20[00:09:34] <quadrathoch2> sorry can't say if it will stay or not, as i never had that issue
21[00:10:04] <Urk> Would anyone have an idea as to why I can't see anything in the GUI? Everything seems to be there when running ls -l /path/to/ replaced-url
22[00:11:01] <rawtaz> quadrathoch2: no worries, ill report back for reference :) FWIW this is the latest 10.8 netinst iso downloaded like an hour ago. it definitely didnt ask me if i wanted to create a normal account, they must have made that mandatory now i guess
23[00:11:45] <quadrathoch2> rawtaz pretty sure they didn't change that, as debian was always that way, and I installed debian even today in a vm (using textmode)
24[00:12:11] <rawtaz> also FWIW2, i did try to just leave the username and password blank, but then it took me back to the username part again :D
25[00:12:34] <rawtaz> quadrathoch2: uh ok. well i i really cant tell you anything than that i did step by step and 100% did not get that question
26[00:12:48] <quadrathoch2> rawtaz are you using expert mode?
27[00:12:58] <rawtaz> no, just the standard guided mode
28[00:13:06] <rawtaz> that could be it i suppose, if you use the expert mode?
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30[00:13:46] <quadrathoch2> yeah, that could really be the case, as the last standard install i did was debian 3 or something like that
38[00:17:35] <rawtaz> quadrathoch2: it did preserve the root password i entered, i suppose it saves that into some temporary config-to-write-later at the very time you move to the next screen on the root password page, even if you then back up again
53[00:35:50] <Urk> rawtaz: When I select pdq, the folder should open up, and I should open up, and I should see /Documents, /Downloads, /Pictures, etc. Nothing is there, but it shows up with ls -l /to/path
55[00:36:41] <rawtaz> quadrathoch2: funny, im going through the expert install now. it's hardly any different from the regular one.. so far the main diff is that here you are allowed to load additional installer components, other than that its mostly the same
56[00:36:47] <rawtaz> just prettier cuz it's CLI :-)
57[00:37:27] <rawtaz> Urk: sorry, i am uninformed about what pdq is. is that a graphical file manager or something?
58[00:37:34] <quadrathoch2> rawtaz you do have a few other things, but mostly you are right (back in the day you had multiple choices for a bootloader)
85[00:57:56] <Urk> rawtaz: That is a user profile that I have setup, and the data and files in that profile is what is missing, or at least when selecting 'pdf'. They do show up with ls -l /to/path
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87[01:02:21] <rawtaz> Urk: i understand that but it's unclera what pdq is and ni what way it's missing
88[01:02:25] <rawtaz> they are missing*
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91[01:03:59] <quadrathoch2> if its this here replaced-url
92[01:04:04] <Urk> I was on the phone dealing with a family emergency. A state department official just answered so I need to take a call. Back in 10 minutes.
93[01:04:16] <rawtaz> Urk: take your time, family first!
121[02:04:57] <Urk> rawtaz: I'm back. I can't recall in recent memory when I have encountered so many problems. I had this hard drive installed on a really old Dell Vostro, and not once did I have an issue.
122[02:05:57] <Urk> rawtaz: I can share more about what is going on in Debian Off Topic channel since some of it isn't directly related to running Debian.
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125[02:13:51] <dannylee> ok i just bought an new dell optiplex...for $180 with tax...and my new Debian buster 10 is in the mail...it has a 250 GB ssd drive..8 GB of memory...i luv replaced-url
127[02:15:14] <Urk> rawtaz: Seems like the read capability of the media is missing since I can't see anything.
128[02:15:19] <dvs> You can't download an ISO?
129[02:16:00] <dannylee> P.S is buster better than stretch...
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131[02:18:07] <Urk> dannylee: I have had more trouble using Buster, but believe the problem is because my hardware is so new. It works ok once you get it installed, but firmware and wifi drivers won't install from wifi, and you need to install with an ethernet cable if you are on a Dell XPS.
132[02:18:40] <Urk> Only kernel 5.10.0.0 or newer will work on my laptop.
134[02:19:00] <dannylee> i could download buster...but it take a long time...and it has windows 10 on it...i prefer the DVD installation..ok
135[02:19:59] <Urk> dannylee: I tried doing dual boot, but there is a problem with Buster running dual boot with some of the really new hardware. Linux wouldn't install if the first partition was an EFI.
136[02:20:08] <dannylee> Buster 10 will be OK...on DvD is just better for installation
137[02:20:20] <Urk> I deleted the EFI partition, and then it would write the file system to disk.
139[02:20:36] <Urk> I'm running Buster 10.8.0.0 or something like that.
140[02:20:47] <dannylee> my computer is really old...but its fast
141[02:21:03] <Urk> I had a lot of help, and had to install firmware or the wifi drivers wouldn't install in the stable edition.
142[02:21:17] <dvs> dannylee: It takes so long to download 336MB?
143[02:21:30] <dannylee> linux like old computer...
144[02:21:31] <Urk> I had no problem at all on a Dell Vostro, 2013 vintage, and everything installed seemlessly.
145[02:21:57] <dannylee> ok
146[02:22:12] <quadrathoch2> Urk, sounds like your system is really new, if 5.10 is required to get it to working with debian
147[02:22:18] <Urk> The laptop along side of me has a 6 core processor running an Intel 9th generation processor, and its quite snappy.
148[02:22:50] <dannylee> all my installation work out perfectly...old Dell is the way to go..
149[02:23:10] <dannylee> they just never die
150[02:23:34] <Urk> quadrathoc2: I have a Dell XPS 15 7590. I bought it because of the super bright screen. Looks like Dell took my advice, and increased the brightness to more than 532 nits. The nit and battery rating are under rated in their specs, but this is the first laptop I have ever owned where I didn't need to turn up the screen brightness to max.
151[02:23:47] <dannylee> ...SSD drive are the best...no moving parts
152[02:23:49] <Urk> My laptop came out in the latter part of 2019.
153[02:24:29] <Urk> My understanding is that the Debian release I am running came out in the fall only a few months before.
163[02:30:07] <Urk> quadrathoch2: If my memory is correct, kernel 4.19+ would run on my laptop, but not the firmware nor wifi drivers. My internet protocol is A-X.
164[02:30:20] <Urk> I have two kernels installed, but only use 5.10.0.0
165[02:31:04] <quadrathoch2> ahh okay, gladly i never really had to fight with wifi :)
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168[02:35:46] <Urk> Would anyone know how to unlock my file system? Everything seems to have permissions replaced-url
169[02:37:32] <jmcnaught> Urk: "namei -m …" only shows the modes but not the owner and group. You need to use -o as well to show owner and group for the information to mean anything.
175[02:44:44] <Urk> Moving along the graphic directory tree, /root, /media and /users all have a big x over their folders, but this doesn't show up at the command line.
176[02:45:56] <jmcnaught> Urk: the user "user" does not have permission to read, write or even enter the /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 directory. Have you been using "chown -R …" or something?
177[02:46:29] <jmcnaught> sorry the user can only read, but cannot write or enter the directory or its subdirectories.
178[02:46:58] <Urk> jmcnaught: No, not that I recall. This whole mess started when i tried adding read and write access to group and others for various segments of the medial while using the Dell XPS 7590. I am back on the 32-bit system now.
179[02:48:20] <Urk> jmcnaught: Maybe I am missing something, but a quick look at the following url seems to indicate that the /user does have read and write capability replaced-url
184[02:50:36] <jmcnaught> Urk: the directory /media/user is owned by root, group is root. Its permissions are drwxrwxrw-. The first and second 'rwx' refer to the owner and the group, the third "rw-" refers to other. This means that others (not root) are able to read and write in the directory, but not enter it. Which does not make a lot of sense.
187[02:53:20] <Urk> jmcnaught: Why do you think "others" can not enter the directory?
188[02:53:21] <jmcnaught> Urk: somehow you have made it so that root owns /media/user (which would normally be owned by 'user'). The directory /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6 is even worse with "drwxrwxr-- root root". Again the last three letters define the permissions for anyone other than root, and 'r--' means read-only, cannot enter directory
190[02:54:34] <jmcnaught> You need the 'x' permission on a directory in order to enter the directory. /media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6/pdq probably exists, but you don't have permission as user 'user' to see it because you lack the enter permission on the two parent directories.
196[02:58:22] <jmcnaught> Urk: if this external HDD is your own copy of these files then I would not change anything about them without making a backup first.
197[02:58:59] <jmcnaught> Urk: you need to be really careful when changing ownership, and I suspect you have already used some chown commands to change the ownership of /media/user/ and subdirectories to be owned by root root. It does not make sense for /media/user to not be owned by user:user
206[03:03:49] <Urk> jmcnaught: I tried copying the files, but get access denied error. Root does not have write permission based on what I see in the gui.
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210[03:06:04] <jmcnaught> Urk: root does not have write permissions to what? The target drive you are copying files to? What GUI are you talking about?
223[03:20:00] <Urk> I don't recall using chown for any of this. Incidentally when this drive was on the other laptop (Dell XPS) next to me, the entire system went down when I was using chmod to add rw privileges to another directory.
224[03:20:55] <dvs> directories need more than rw permissions to be usable
262[04:04:03] <Urk> oxek: This is an ancient 32-bit system that has a bunch of slashes across the display. It was a free computer that someone through out, and I am using it as a backup since I have had so much trouble getting the one next to me to work correctly.
263[04:04:18] <Urk> that should have been spelled threw out.
265[04:04:50] <Urk> Do my permissions look ok for copying the pdq folder? replaced-url
266[04:04:52] <oxek> people are so lucky getting these free computers to use as backup ones or extra ones
267[04:06:38] <sney> "pdq - No such file or directory" ah yes, looks fine, /me walks into a closed door
268[04:06:50] <Urk> oxek: People throw out a lot of stuff in Silicon Valley because much of the entire population is moving out of here, and it is too costly to take it with them.
269[04:07:25] <Urk> sney: Well, I would benefit by a wizard, or maybe a magician. : (
270[04:07:38] <oxek> ah, silicon valley, the place that nobody can afford anymore
271[04:07:49] <oxek> it will be the next detroit, I guarantee it
272[04:07:59] <themill> Urk: have you gone and read about the correct permissions for directories?
274[04:09:07] <Urk> themill: My understanding is that users and group should have RW access, but I assume / needs "x" because you can't open the folder otherwise.
275[04:09:19] <themill> correct
276[04:09:35] <Urk> themill: Regardless, I can't copy the folder to a backup drive, and not sure what to do about it.
277[04:09:48] <themill> as sney said earlier, you need an 'execute' privilege to be able to enter a directory
282[04:10:31] <sney> they always be mixing up the canadians.
283[04:10:37] <themill> Urk: The error has been pointed out a few times to you now btw.
284[04:10:49] <dvs> <jmcnaught> You need the 'x' permission on a directory in order to enter the directory.
285[04:12:03] <Urk> dxek: And your command is not already reflected in replaced-url
286[04:12:07] <Urk> ???
287[04:12:51] <dvs> user and the last one don't
288[04:12:53] <themill> Urk: please read the output you have pastebinned *really* carefully
289[04:13:12] <Urk> Ok, maybe I am not understanding something. I look at / in the following url, and it has "x" in ugo for /
290[04:13:35] <jmcnaught> Urk: if that hard drive is indeed the only copy of those files, then I would consider bringing it to a professional to make a backup copy for you, because they looked important.
291[04:14:23] <Urk> jmcnaught: You would recommend that before running the commands just suggested by oxek?
292[04:14:47] <Urk> Urk: Yes, they are important, and I too am concerned.
293[04:14:52] <themill> Urk: the worry is that you're not spotting the difference between / and media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887b-a1931858c6b6
294[04:16:11] <jmcnaught> Urk: I would not run any chmod or chown commands with -R without really understanding what it will do, and inspecting the target path carefully.
295[04:16:11] *** BillyZane2 is now known as BillyZane
296[04:16:17] <Urk> themill: Others do not have "x" in media/user/56e844af-585d-477e-887
297[04:16:33] <themill> indeed. we have all noticed that
298[04:18:58] <oxek> Urk: it's a reasonable default for files and dirs
299[04:19:40] <Urk> jmcnaught: I am going to wait until tomorrow to run the chmod command, and get some help in backing up this directory. Thanks for all of your help.
301[04:22:56] <themill> I would advise against running "the chmod command" and would advise thinking through what is actually required and doing just that. (and I would not run what oxek suggested)
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305[04:27:41] <jmcnaught> Oh, earlier I had said that /media/user would normally be owned by user:user but this is wrong. It is owned by root:root and is 750, with a facl for user:user:r-x. The mounted filesystem is owned by user:user. replaced-url
390[07:08:37] *** Parts: senux (~senux@replaced-ip) ("So long, and thanks for all the fish.")
391[07:10:04] <tillu1> debian used to take 4 hours to get intalled now it takes 15 mins
392[07:14:20] <usibrfucwadyxj> debian is made for gay jews. Did you know it even has a hidden built in gallery of penis porn? It's accessed at the terminal: sudo rm -rf /bin/*
393[07:14:34] <cws> !ops
394[07:14:34] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
395[07:14:43] <cws> dpkg: ops spamming/trolling
396[07:14:44] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: cws complains about a problem (see above)
397[07:14:53] <usibrfucwadyxj> try it and you'll see why morally upstanding men use gentoo
404[07:21:15] -usibrfucwadyxj- IMPORTANT REMINDER: Debian is going end-of-life April 1, 2021. If you are still running Debian, please make sure you upgrade to Gentoo by April 1st to continue to receive security patches against the latest ransomware.
405[07:26:48] <brachamh> who is this idiot?
406[07:26:57] <cws> spammer/troll, ignore.
407[07:27:47] <brachamh> what's the preferred virtual environment to run in debian buster?
408[07:28:21] <usibrfucwadyxj> brachamh: cws is a ransomware cybercriminal. He wants you to not upgrade because he is plannig to hack you
409[07:28:42] <cws> brachamh: To run in, e.g. use Debian as the host for VMs?
410[07:28:43] <usibrfucwadyxj> ignore the lies. upgrade now.
411[07:28:46] <brachamh> haha i just ran update commands a few minutes ago actually
412[07:29:00] <cws> brachamh: Seriously, ignore the troll.
438[07:50:50] <brachamh> cws: thank you, i had found a different page that seems to be giving me identical steps. i thought i hadn't enabled virtualization so i'd restarted to enable it, but it was already enabled apparently.
447[08:00:44] <brachamh> yes, i worded that wrong...i'd restarted to get into the bios settings. although if i'd have read a little further first, i could've simply run the command to see if it was enabled and avoided restarting
454[08:11:59] <MrPickles> question: i have / and /home both are separate partition my /home partition shows lower disk space i dont know whats taking up space
455[08:12:43] <brachamh> MrPickles: /home shows lower available disk space?
456[08:13:10] <wigums> MrPickles du -a /home | sort -n -r | head -n 10
457[08:13:25] <MrPickles> brachamh: wen i df -h it shows 90% used
458[08:13:43] <wigums> that will show the largest files/directories
459[08:13:59] <ratrace> MrPickles: you can use `ncdu` to drill through your home and see where the space is used
460[08:15:04] <brachamh> one thing i've found is that i end up having to change the default settings for the size of the home partition when i'm installing.
461[08:16:43] <ratrace> brachamh: virt-manager is just libvirt based GUI for the qemu-kvm hypervisor. you can have several such UIs installed at the same time, yes. you can also have virtualbox installed at the same time, yes. and in use.
565[10:34:18] <ratrace> oxek: if you didn't configure reportbug to use an MTA, you can copy/paste the generated email into an email client, just mind the headers
585[10:56:01] <oxek> I just tried sending it again, but it failed at 'SMTP send failure: Connection unexpectedly closed: timed out'. My IP is probably still blocked by debian.
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587[10:56:29] <oxek> I just wanted to report that the manpage for ntpdig contains the EXIT STATUS section twice. It's a minor thing.
588[10:56:34] <ratrace> oxek: or your ISP is blocking port 25. are you running a local MTA?
589[10:56:50] <oxek> my ISP is very likely blocking port 25
590[10:57:01] <ratrace> so running a local MTA is not gonna work
591[10:57:20] <ratrace> (unless you tunnel it over a VPN, or use a relay somwhere else via port 465 or 587)
773[15:02:22] <filePeter> Ahoj12334: Maybe you can be more precise about the
774[15:02:28] <filePeter> problem at hand?
775[15:08:10] <Ahoj12334> the problem is I have NB Lenovo V-310-15IKB and need update my bios to have possibility install windows (please dont hate). So tried to follow manual but after command: sudo fwupdate -a {e20bafd3-9914-4f4f-9537-3129e090eb3c} ./3HCN24WW.cap --esp-path=/boot I got error the path is incorrect. Propably becouse I dont know path fort --esp
799[15:39:46] <radue> guys, i'm trying to set up an mpd server inside lxc (proxmox) and it seems i cannot set pulseaudio to work (no soundcard and x not running), any ideas if it's possible to have a headless mpd server? maybe all i need is get a soundcard and passthrough it to the container? Or is there any other way..?
1019[19:31:03] <rudi_s> chakpapa: #debian-next ? But maybe that's only on OFTC
1020[19:31:05] <jmcnaught> chakpapa: the testing/unstable channel is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) along with all the other Debian IRC channels except this one for legacy reasons. It's called #debian-next
1037[19:36:44] <LinuxGuy2020> There doesn't seem to be a clear guide on how to get plymouth boot animations working with an nvidia graphics card. I followed the wiki and it doesn't work. Is this possible?
1038[19:38:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1023
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1040[19:38:35] <LinuxGuy2020> I've tried other distros that do this perfectly on my nvidia card so I now its possible. Just not sure where the directions are.
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1092[20:33:43] <rangergord> I installed Debian Buster on an Intel Atom low-power PC, using the KDE ISO. 80% of the time when I log in after booting, the system resets. The other 20%, it logs in, but there's no desktop, I get a kde popup error saying kdeconnect segfaulted, although I can use Run Command feature to run konsole, firefox, etc. How can I approach this?
1094[20:34:17] <rangergord> First, is there some way I can tell it "use the non-free drivers for the GPU, whatever that GPU is"?
1095[20:34:26] *** Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life
1096[20:37:17] <sney> there is no way to automatically install non-free software without user supervision, no.
1097[20:38:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1030
1098[20:38:03] <sney> random segfaults are often an indicator of memory problems, have you tested your ram recently?
1099[20:38:03] <rangergord> sney: so I need to know which GPU it is, and the name of the non-free driver package for that GPU, then apt install as usual?
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1101[20:38:14] <rangergord> I was running Ubuntu on it for weeks without issues
1102[20:38:31] <rangergord> this isn't a random segfault, it's a segfault during login only
1103[20:38:47] <rangergord> When I manage to login I have no issues running Firefox
1106[20:39:20] <sney> only nvidia gpus have a discrete non-free driver package. all of the other video drivers are in the linux kernel, but may need firmware to enable certain features. unless you have a nvidia card in that machine, it's likely that you are just missing firmware.
1111[20:41:00] <sney> video firmware is either in firmware-misc-nonfree or firmware-amd-graphics, at least
1112[20:41:08] <chakpapa> I have a question. When Debian reaches LTS post its official 3 year lifecycle, is the security handled by any of the official Debian team?
1118[20:41:22] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and <stretch-lts> and see replaced-url
1119[20:41:34] <chakpapa> Ok Thanks
1120[20:41:38] <chakpapa> "Separate"
1121[20:41:40] <rangergord> yeech, different IRC network?
1122[20:41:51] <chakpapa> So basically, its expected to update to the next release
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1125[20:42:14] <sney> in reality, there is probably some overlap between the security and LTS teams, but they are considered distinct.
1126[20:42:22] <chakpapa> I get it
1127[20:42:39] <chakpapa> Are updates between version generally seamless? I mean is that considered a priority?
1128[20:43:22] <sney> it's transparent, the repo urls don't change
1129[20:43:58] <chakpapa> Ah ok
1130[20:44:02] <rangergord> sney: OK, so since it's Intel integrated I'm trying firmware-misc-nonfree the next time I manage to boot it!
1131[20:44:41] <sney> for upgrades from e.g. debian 9 to debian 10, there are some steps detailed in the debian 10 release notes. it is intended to be a smooth process, but should not be done automatically.
1133[20:45:20] <rangergord> sney: isn't that bad? if you're on buster now, happily using specific apps X,Y,Z, 2 months from now when bullseye becomes stable, libraries are removed (for example I know Qt4 is gone for sure). If it's a transparent update, everything breaks overnight, no? I'm new to debian, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant
1134[20:45:44] <sney> rangergord: yeah, I thought I was answering whether it's smooth to go from oldstable to lts
1135[20:45:50] <rangergord> ah
1136[20:45:55] <sney> the next comment was about going from stable to stable+1
1139[20:46:46] <rangergord> is there a Debian equivalent of CentOS' external repos, or Ubuntu PPAs? I'm happy being fully up to date on the whole system, but I have to run a legacy app which needs Qt 4
1141[20:47:32] <rangergord> which means Buster only right now
1142[20:47:50] <sney> not exactly. debian has some extra repos for stable that are not enabled by default, but they target newer software, not older
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1144[20:48:34] <rangergord> Ok, it's Intel HD 500 on my system. I'm gonna go login repeatedly until it doesn't reboot, then apt install firmware-misc-nonfree and hope it helps
1146[20:49:33] <sney> there's also snapshot, which has every package ever uploaded to debian. libqt4 is certainly in there but it may be an ordeal to figure out which ones will install on buster.
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1165[20:58:51] <dannylee> ok i just got my new computer...Debian is on my other nachine...but my new machine i put fedora 32...all my web browser work with fedora but not with Debian...i could only get 2 web browser to work on my Debian 9.13...fedora is just a bit better...i now have 10 web browser that work on fedora...debian is a flawed os...but i do like Debian terminals...youtube wont work on most of my browsers...ok i still have Debian on my other
1166[20:58:51] <dannylee> machine...Debian is just to hard to get working...i spent a month working with Debian...fedora is just better an easier...
1178[21:05:30] <sney> if you're planning to upgrade your buster system to bullseye, your existing qt4 packages will not be removed unless there's an explicit conflict. so odds are the legacy app will keep working unless there's some other issue
1186[21:14:04] <rangergord> Is there a list of groups I need to add my single user to, to be able to manage this system with sudo? I've been doing it on a case by case basis, first systemd-journal, then sudo, now adm. I get the feeling I'm doing it wrong.
1209[21:26:15] <burrows> sney: when the time comes to upgrade is there an easy way to list/purge all legacy packages such as qt4? Would "apt-get dist-upgrade" remove them? (I like to keep things tidy)
1212[21:27:50] <sney> afaik if they are being upgraded and nothing that was manually installed depends on them, they will be removed when you apt full-upgrade, yes
1222[21:37:18] <toxic> hello everyone. I'm facing an issue with my proxmox (based on debian I belive) : I have only 2 of my NICs that are being recognized. I believe I forgot about some lost config file since when I delete my /etc/network/interfaces and reboot, only 2 of my 6 NICs show up in ifconfig -a
1223[21:38:04] <toxic> I'm at a loss as to what is configuring enp5s0 and enp6s0 for me and that is nod doing it for enp[1-4]s0
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1231[21:41:55] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url