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• 17[00:15:26] <noshem> hi, i'm trying to install discord, and i download the deb file, and try to install, but it doesn't seem to work, when i doubleclick the deb file, it opens a window called "package installer - discord", when i click "install package" the window closes, but the package doesn't seem to get installed
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• 19[00:15:54] <noshem> also, wondering why debian doesn't come with a console emulator
• 20[00:16:03] <Mister00X> noshem: use dpkg -i PATH_TO_PACKAGE
• 21[00:16:13] <noshem> and can someone recommend a console that i can install
• 22[00:16:14] <imMute> noahmg123: it does.
• 23[00:16:22] <imMute> noshem: it does.
• 24[00:16:44] <noshem> ah okay
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• 26[00:17:05] <noshem> it just didn't for me for some reason, i only installed the cinnamon DE, maybe that's why
• 27[00:17:40] <noshem> can anyone recommend one to install for me, please?
• 28[00:17:43] <imMute> noshem: I'm not familiar with cinnamon but you don't see something like "Terminal" or "xterm" in the applications menu?
• 29[00:18:01] <noshem> oh, yah, there is uxterm
• 30[00:18:18] <noshem> and xterm too
• 31[00:18:23] <noshem> thanks =)
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• 33[00:18:51] <sney> cinnamon apparently Recommends: gnome-terminal, so you would have missed that if you disabled recommends, as new users do sometimes out of confusion
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• 36[00:20:33] <noshem> sorry for all the newbie questions... so, Mister00X, would the path be "/home/user/Downloads/discord-0.0.13.deb"?
• 37[00:20:47] <Mister00X> noshem: yes
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• 39[00:21:28] <Mister00X> ofc only if the .deb is actually there
• 40[00:22:00] <noshem> apparently user isn't in the sudoers file (and the incident will be reported, lol)
• 41[00:22:28] <Mister00X> noshem: did you choose a root passw during install?
• 42[00:22:41] <noshem> i did
• 43[00:22:54] <Mister00X> then you need to use su - to become root
• 44[00:23:04] <jmcnaught> That is "su -"
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• 46[00:23:15] <Mister00X> yes thanks jmcnaught
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• 50[00:24:33] <noshem> "su - dpkg -i ..."?
• 51[00:24:40] <sney> 'su -
• 52[00:24:48] <sney> then enter, then dpkg -i ...
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• 57[00:28:44] <noshem> cool
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• 60[00:30:00] <noshem> thanks =]
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• 165[02:14:01] <Urk> I'm having some difficulty in saving to a hard disk, and not sure what the problem is. I ran some tests, but various files seem to already have read/write permissions replaced-url
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• 167[02:16:33] <ectospasm> Urk: how are you mounting it?
• 168[02:17:03] <noshem> Hi, I'm trying to install some drivers and getting the error: "Unsatisfied dependencies. Missing component: Linux headers for running kernel, 4.19.0-14-amd64."
• 169[02:18:11] <sney> noshem: apt install linux-headers-amd64
• 170[02:18:23] <noshem> they're already installed =S
• 171[02:18:33] <Urk> ectospasm> I don't think the drive is mounted. I tried mount /dev/sda8, and get an error that it can't find in /etc/fstab.
• 172[02:18:34] <noshem> i also tried reinstalling
• 173[02:18:38] <sney> if you're installing drivers from some random github though, stop, because it is unlikely that you need them
• 174[02:18:50] <ectospasm> Urk: is it in fstab?
• 175[02:18:53] <noshem> that's not really the case
• 176[02:19:04] <noshem> it's for a displaylink usb powered monitor
• 177[02:19:17] <noshem> i got the drivers from their official website, but they only have em for ubuntu
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• 179[02:20:05] <Urk> ectospams> Nope, only replaced-url
• 180[02:20:16] <sney> most devices are supported natively by the linux kernel, though they may need firmware to load; if the device is new-ish then it might not have support in 4.19, but probably does in 5.10 which is available in buster-backports
• 181[02:20:35] <oxek> noshem: `apt list linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64`
• 182[02:20:45] <ectospasm> Urk: if it's not in fstab you'll have to provide the block device and the mount point, and possibly mount options.
• 183[02:20:45] <Urk> ectospasm> Shouldn't this be added to fstab automatically?
• 184[02:20:49] <sney> the windows attitude of "I need to download drivers" can send you down the wrong road on linux very easily
• 185[02:21:01] <ectospasm> Urk: not necessarily.
• 186[02:21:07] <ectospasm> Are these removable drives?
• 187[02:21:13] <noshem> oxek, linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64/stable,stable,now 4.19.171-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
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• 189[02:21:28] <jmcnaught> Urk: when you run "mount" with no arguments is /dev/sda8 listed?
• 190[02:21:41] <oxek> noshem: well, then the installation script is doing something weird
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• 192[02:21:47] <Urk> ectospasm> Yes. Fits in my USB slot. The hard drive came out of another laptop whos motherboard failed. The standards are newer so it can only be mounted via one of the USB slots.
• 193[02:21:58] <Urk> jmcnaught> NO
• 194[02:22:24] <Urk> As mentioned earlier, I just ran mount /dev/sda8. In the past that is all that it took to mount it.
• 195[02:22:33] <Urk> I will go ahead and add the paths to ths fstab.
• 196[02:22:40] <ectospasm> Urk: that must have been in fstab on the old system
• 197[02:23:09] <ectospasm> I recommend getting the UUID of the device, and using that instead of /dev/sda8 as that's not guaranteed to be stable, especially with removable drives.
• 198[02:23:13] <Urk> ectospam> No, it seemed to work fine on the new system. I have been going back and form, but hoping to finally and completely migrating to the new one.
• 199[02:23:17] <jmcnaught> Urk: last time you were here it was automounting under /media/user/… are you sure it's not doing that still?
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• 201[02:24:05] <Urk> jmcnaught> Doesn't seem to be automounting.
• 202[02:24:51] <Urk> jmcnaught> It was automounting on the other machine as well.
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• 206[02:26:53] <Urk> jmcnaught> Ok, it is mounted. Looks like I was using the wrong path to mount it.
• 207[02:27:39] <jmcnaught> Urk: where is it mounted? Are you planning to copy all the files from it do your new computer's SSD?
• 208[02:27:55] <jmcnaught> ^do^to
• 209[02:28:18] <Urk> jmcaught> Yes, but I want to fix the folder structure first. I didn't have time to do it do to a calamity of problems at work, and a family emergency.
• 210[02:28:46] <Urk> I still need to fix XSD, or something like that. I think you sent me a URL of what it should look like.
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• 213[02:31:27] <SponiX> 1500VA APC UPS... Has an ethernet->USB looking cable that I'm about to plug into the UPS and my Linux ( Debian ) computer
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• 217[02:31:44] <SponiX> any idea what I need to do software wise to support this ?
• 218[02:32:23] <sney> SponiX: apcupsd. and it's not ethernet, it's just some serial thing
• 219[02:33:10] <SponiX> sney: that has a nice sound to it. does it just "work" right off with the defaults, or do I need to tinker with something ?
• 220[02:34:05] <sney> I believe it supports most APC models out of the box, but I haven't used the buster version.
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• 222[02:34:59] <sney> you would probably need to configure the actions for your system to take if the UPS reports that it is on battery power but I doubt it's much
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• 225[02:38:01] <noshem> oxek, but the drivers work on other distros (like mint and ubuntu)
• 226[02:38:26] <oxek> noshem: what's the link?
• 227[02:38:54] <oxek> maybe you're missing some other dependency, and the install script reports incorrectly
• 228[02:38:58] <noshem> replaced-url
• 229[02:38:59] <oxek> maybe you need dkms?
• 230[02:39:29] <noshem> that was the first error i got, was that i didn't have dkms, so i got dkms, and then got this new error
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• 235[02:42:34] <jmcnaught> noshem: maybe take a look at the evdi-dkms package, its description mentions displaylink, maybe its /usr/share/doc/evdi-dkms/README.Debian file will have more information.
• 236[02:43:33] <oxek> still an annoying error message, saying you don't have something installed when you clearly do
• 237[02:43:45] <oxek> I really dislike those ones
• 238[02:44:00] <noshem> ya this usb monitor is a hassle lol
• 239[02:44:20] <noshem> the newer ones are better, they have hdmi out
• 240[02:44:47] <sney> I still think it might be worthwhile to try the newer kernel, in case it Just Works
• 241[02:45:16] <noshem> sney, how do i try that?
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• 243[02:45:27] <sney> !buster-backports
• 244[02:45:27] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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• 246[02:45:38] <oxek> noshem: enable backports repo, and then `sudo apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64`
• 247[02:45:44] <sney> and headers
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• 249[02:46:42] <oxek> Yes, headers too. I would of thought the headers would be automatically pulled in too, as long as any linux-headers-amd64 package was installed.
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• 251[02:47:31] <genr8_> I do I need policykit-1 on a console only server ?
• 252[02:47:38] <genr8_> do I* ?
• 253[02:47:50] <sney> depends on what you're serving, but probably not
• 254[02:48:00] <genr8_> can I check if anything depends on it ?
• 255[02:48:18] <sney> 'apt rdepends' and/or 'aptitude why'
• 256[02:48:41] <sney> or just try to remove it and see what else apt wants to remove
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• 259[02:50:23] <genr8_> thanks
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• 263[02:52:07] <noshem> how do i leave su / root?
• 264[02:52:11] <noshem> in terminal
• 265[02:52:16] <sney> ctrl-d, or exit, or logout
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• 268[02:52:59] <noshem> replaced-url
• 269[02:53:23] <sney> you need to read the whole instructions, not just the code blocks
• 270[02:53:29] <noshem> ok
• 271[02:53:49] <dvs> or the big title just above it
• 272[02:54:04] <sney> !sources.list
• 273[02:54:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 275[02:55:36] <noshem> oh okay
• 276[02:55:45] <noshem> dvs, thanks for the tip lol
• 277[02:56:23] <noshem> sorry i am a newbie
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• 279[02:56:30] <noshem> but it's nice to learn stuff
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• 283[02:59:30] <Borley> Can package changelogs be read without reaching over a network?
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• 287[03:01:06] <noshem> computer isn't giving me permission to edit the sources.list file, and i can't open it from root in terminal
• 288[03:01:30] <sney> noshem: try 'apt edit-sources' as root
• 289[03:01:42] <Borley> IIRC apt now has a built in function to edit the sources file
• 290[03:01:48] <noshem> "permission denied"
• 291[03:01:53] <sney> _as root_
• 292[03:01:58] <sney> !permission denied
• 293[03:01:58] <dpkg> Most system administration tasks, particularly updating apt's package lists or installing packages, need to be done as root. If you try as a regular user, you may see a "Permission Denied" message; this is normal. How you become root is up to you, see <sudo> and <su> for popular methods.
• 294[03:02:00] <noshem> i am
• 295[03:02:47] <noshem> oh i'm sorry i had the file name put in
• 296[03:02:48] <noshem> my bad
• 297[03:03:08] <noshem> thanks for your patience ^^
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• 304[03:08:42] <noshem> sney, okay, so how does backports help me to try the newer kernal with this package?
• 305[03:09:42] <sney> as oxek told you, 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64' will install the newer kernel from buster-backports.
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• 307[03:10:25] <sney> if you have a short memory it can help to copy what people tell you into a temporary text file somewhere
• 308[03:10:39] <noshem> thanks, and sorry
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• 311[03:14:38] <sney> #debian is a support channel and we are here to help. you don't need to apologize for being new, just help us help you, and try not to make us repeat ourselves. :)
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• 313[03:15:14] <dvs> just pay us!!! lol
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• 315[03:17:44] <noshem> okay, it didn't work. i am looking at: replaced-url
• 316[03:18:22] <sney> in order to actually try the new kernel, you need to reboot
• 317[03:18:31] <noshem> oh okay
• 318[03:18:34] <noshem> i'll brb then
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• 323[03:22:07] <dvs> uh oh. The kernel must be bad.
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• 325[03:22:56] <oxek> maybe just a slow boot
• 326[03:23:06] <oxek> or they don't come back to report success
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• 330[03:27:44] <noshem> okay back, so i tried to install the package again, didn't work, but it changed error message to correspond to the new kernel: Unsatisfied dependencies: "Missing component: Linux headers for running kernel, 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64." I was guessing that when I do "cd /lib/modules/your_kernel_version/build", I should use the new kernel. However, there is no "build" folder in the "lib/modules/[new_kernel]" folder
• 331[03:28:14] <sney> well, that bug report is from 2016, so it's not surprising that it doesn't exactly apply anymore
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• 334[03:29:57] <sney> if you connect your displaylink device, does it show up in your desktop's display settings?
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• 336[03:32:10] <noshem> no
• 337[03:32:57] <ectospasm> noshem: are you trying to load evdi?
• 338[03:33:33] <noshem> ectospasm, i'm not sure, i'm trying to get a usb displaylink monitor to work but the drivers package won't install
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• 340[03:33:42] <noshem> i don't know what evdi is
• 341[03:33:52] <ectospasm> I use evdi-dkms for displaylink to work
• 342[03:34:08] <noshem> i installed that like you suggested earlier
• 343[03:34:10] <ectospasm> Of course, that's on Arch Linux, and evdi doesn't work with 5.11
• 344[03:34:40] <noshem> is 5.11 the newest version of arch?
• 345[03:35:00] <ectospasm> kernel in Arch
• 346[03:35:16] <ectospasm> I don't use DisplayLink with Debian, so I can't be much help.
• 347[03:35:41] <SponiX> sney: I love Debian
• 348[03:36:09] <SponiX> sney: all the defaults for the ups are sane, all I had to do was toggle the "configured" variable and start the process
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• 350[03:37:06] <noshem> i'd like to try this: replaced-url
• 351[03:37:33] <sney> you need the linux-headers-amd64 package from backports to have the build folder
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• 357[03:40:53] <noshem> okay, got that
• 358[03:41:00] <noshem> the instructions say "dont forget to install linux-source for your kernel"
• 359[03:41:17] <noshem> do i need to install that from backports for the new kernel?
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• 361[03:41:33] <dvs> you don't need the entire source to compile modules: only the headers
• 362[03:42:02] <noshem> i tried installing hte package again and got a new error
• 363[03:42:25] <noshem> it made a lot of progress this time though...
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• 365[03:43:22] <dvs> noshem: it's only a one word difference from install the backports kernel: "headers" instead of "image"
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• 367[03:47:24] <noshem> replaced-url
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• 369[03:49:54] <noshem> how do i deactivate backports?
• 370[03:50:21] <n4dir> remove the enty in sources.list, or comment it, and run apt-get update
• 371[03:50:31] <n4dir> entry, not enty
• 372[03:51:03] <dvs> not a good idea since you're using a backported kernel right now.
• 373[03:51:35] <n4dir> and nothing gained by doing it.
• 374[03:51:35] <noshem> good point dvs
• 375[03:52:03] <noshem> potentially nothing gained
• 376[03:52:11] <noshem> but, there was no build folder
• 377[03:52:16] <noshem> maybe there are other differences
• 378[03:52:20] <n4dir> i recall there has been a debian-user-guide too, like the debian-admin-guide, but i can't find it at wiki.debian.org anymore
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• 380[03:52:31] <n4dir> it had info about all kind of basic stuff, such as mc
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• 382[03:52:42] <noshem> what's mc?
• 383[03:52:43] <n4dir> if someone remembers it's name, that might help noshem
• 384[03:53:05] <n4dir> mc, midnight commander, a command line file-manager
• 385[03:53:22] <n4dir> it also had some basic commands and all, the guide, but for the life of me i can't find it
• 386[03:53:49] <n4dir> sneaking in forums might also help you. Most basic things turn up again and again, and over a bit of time you will know them
• 387[03:53:56] <n4dir> example is backports
• 388[03:54:36] <noshem> i honestly don't have time anyway to read a userguide right now
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• 390[03:54:48] <noshem> just sick of ubuntu and mint tbh
• 391[03:54:50] <n4dir> but you have time to ask in IRC ? :-)
• 392[03:54:53] <noshem> debian seems really
• 393[03:54:54] <noshem> yes
• 394[03:55:03] <noshem> clean and stable
• 395[03:55:19] <n4dir> that guide is really good, easy to read, short, to the point. Well: if you can't find it, it doesn't help much
• 396[03:55:30] <noshem> asking specific questions is different from reading whole userguides to find one piece of info that is prob not even in the userguide
• 397[03:55:40] <noshem> i would read it at some point
• 398[03:55:46] <noshem> but
• 399[03:56:07] <n4dir> i never read a whole thing. You know, there is that thing called "find" or "search" in most websites, pdf-readers, so on
• 400[03:56:08] <noshem> just want my 2nd monitor to work right now, i have some other stuff going on
• 401[03:56:20] <noshem> but it would be nice to have it to bookmark for later for sure
• 402[03:56:26] <n4dir> anyway, i got your point. go on with the subject
• 403[03:56:28] <noshem> i am always trying to learn more
• 404[03:56:45] <noshem> and it does sound very good
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• 407[03:58:51] <noshem> replaced-url
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• 450[05:02:34] <Urk> jmcnaught> I am wondering whether or not my problem is a setting that is causing all folders to be displayed on the desktop as opposed to a problem with the XDG setting replaced-url
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• 455[05:12:47] <Urk> Looks like I found the problem.
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• 464[05:23:23] <Urk> well I made ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs look exactly like replaced-url
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• 468[05:29:27] <Urk> I did run xdg-user-dirs-update after reconfiguring ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and received a message indicating all folders reassigned to home (not verbatim), but that was the indication.
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• 471[05:36:08] <Urk> Well I'm headed to sleep. If anyone can thing of something profound then please memoserv me a message.
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• 489[06:23:03] <jaggz> if I'm going to a package foo/buster-backports how do I tell apt it's okay to do all dependencies from bpo too?
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• 491[06:24:45] <jaggz> because it's refusing, due to those deps being older versions from -stable, "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
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• 496[06:31:41] <jmcnaught> jaggz: "apt -t buster-backports install foo"
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• 500[06:34:49] <jaggz> jmcnaught, thank you so very much :)
• 501[06:36:48] <awal1> is it possible to find what files I have modified myself as user and root?
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• 504[06:38:27] <awal1> i customized my system as i want it but i forgot half of what i did
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• 506[06:38:43] <themill> awal1: dpkg --audit (or debsums); that won't necessarily get all the files in /etc
• 507[06:38:49] <themill> (etckeeper is good for them)
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• 509[06:40:01] <awal1> themill, i ask bcoz of a possible reinstall and i would like to get my new debian as i have it now
• 510[06:40:27] <awal1> themill, ok i will start cheking with what you suggested
• 511[06:41:25] <awal1> thanks
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• 547[07:51:00] <noshem> what does "ln -s Makefile Kconfig" do?
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• 555[08:03:54] <TheBigK02> noshem: i cant help it ... but creating a symlink? but that was probably not ment, right? :p
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• 557[08:06:15] <noshem> i'm not sure
• 558[08:06:27] <noshem> i'm curious what the Makefil and Kconfig part of it do
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• 560[08:07:56] <noshem> Also, I'm getting "E: Release 'buster-backports' for 'evdi-dkms' was not found", when I try "apt-get install evdi-dkms/buster-backports"
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• 562[08:09:42] <pasiz> noshem: it makes symbolic link Kconfig to file Makefile
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• 564[08:10:02] <pasiz> man ln gives you more info how to use ln
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• 568[08:12:44] <noshem> a symbolic link is just a shortcut right?
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• 571[08:13:41] <tarzeau> noshem: a dict shortcut only exists in microsoft products. it says: Unlike a {Unix} {symbolic link}, a shortcut does not always behave exactly like the target file or directory.
• 572[08:13:56] <tarzeau> !folder
• 573[08:13:56] <dpkg> folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
• 574[08:14:05] <tarzeau> !ls
• 575[08:14:05] <dpkg> CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
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• 581[08:19:53] <noshem> i'm wondering if i should try to disable backports
• 582[08:20:11] <noshem> i wonder if that could be causing the error
• 583[08:20:12] <oxek> why?
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• 585[08:20:54] <noshem> because the error I'm getting is "ERROR (code 3): Failed to build evdi/5.1.26. Consult /var/lib/dkms/evdi/5.1.26/build/make.log for details.."
• 586[08:23:07] <noshem> that's for the 'new kernel'
• 587[08:23:20] <noshem> so it probably needs dependencies it doesn't have
• 588[08:23:21] <oxek> did you consult the make.log file?
• 589[08:23:27] <noshem> yea
• 590[08:23:52] <noshem> i was able to install evdi-dkms while i wasn't using backports, but not from backports
• 591[08:24:13] <noshem> make.log: replaced-url
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• 593[08:25:09] <oxek> evdi-dkms does not exist in buster-backports
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• 599[08:32:27] <craigevil> replaced-url
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• 603[08:36:31] <noshem> but if i install evdi-dkms not from backports it will still work as a dependency for something installed form backports?
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• 607[08:40:05] <noshem> *from
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• 624[09:04:34] <TheBigK02> noshem: it should. Backports is (how the name says) backported more recent packages (out of testing) backported to match the dependency of the stable release
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• 627[09:05:58] <TheBigK02> noshem: ur using buster i assume?
• 628[09:06:25] <noshem> whatever the newest version of debian is
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• 637[09:10:02] <jelly> ,v evdi-dkms
• 638[09:10:04] <judd> Package: evdi-dkms on amd64 -- buster: 1.6.0+dfsg-1; bullseye: 1.9.0+dfsg-1; sid: 1.9.0+dfsg-1
• 639[09:11:06] <TheBigK02> noshem: yes thats buster. and the evdi-dkms package is installed?
• 640[09:11:07] <jelly> noshem, sometimes a newer kernel requires updated dkms packages. Which specific "something" do you need from backports?
• 641[09:11:27] <TheBigK02> jelly: i think he wants a new kernel
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• 645[09:13:07] <jelly> if that is correct, he might have to create a local backport for the newer version for the evdi-dkms module package as well
• 646[09:13:31] <jelly> judd, checkbackport evdi-dkms
• 647[09:13:32] <judd> Backporting package evdi-dkms in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
• 648[09:13:43] <jelly> sounds like it might work
• 649[09:14:31] <jelly> (that unsatisfiable Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13) is errorneous, one just needs to install debhelper from backports)
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• 667[09:44:47] <ArsenArsen> hey, using dhcpcd, how can I have it properly enable network-online.target or whatever after bringing up interfaces?
• 668[09:45:23] <ArsenArsen> I'd also be fine with a simpler solution (say, manually running ip commands), as long as it enables network-online.target properly
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• 672[09:56:05] <ArsenArsen> this is needed because udhcpd starts before the interfaces are up
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• 677[10:00:23] <ratrace> it's not dhcp client that raises the target. if it's misbehaving, make it run After=network-online.target. Also... how are you using it exactly, with what network configuration framework?
• 678[10:00:37] <ratrace> ArsenArsen: ^
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• 681[10:01:12] <ArsenArsen> ratrace: I'm trying to use no systemd-networkd and no networkmanager, dhcpcd has the ability to set static ips, so I was trying to use that
• 682[10:01:27] <ArsenArsen> I'd be very much fine with just setting up ip-addr
• 683[10:01:32] <ArsenArsen> ip-addr commands manually*
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• 685[10:02:25] <ArsenArsen> although it looks like networkd would actually not be a major PITA here
• 686[10:04:59] <ratrace> ArsenArsen: how are you starting it. Normally, DHCP is obtained by internal clients or default dhclient for interfaces(5). so if you're not using interfaces(5), nor networkd, nor NM ... how are you using dhcpcd?
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• 688[10:06:46] <jelly> also, what is the reason to avoid ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces) and its dhcp support
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• 691[10:09:04] <ArsenArsen> ratrace: nvm actually, networkd works fine
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• 695[10:09:46] <ArsenArsen> jelly: I was trying to use dhcpCd as a network manager, for static addressing, but it turns out networkd does that better and also allows my dhcp server to wait on network-online.target so I just did that instead
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• 697[10:11:27] <jelly> ah, dhcpcd is supposed to be a complete solution as well, I thought it was just a dhcp client
• 698[10:11:44] <jelly> ,i dhcpcd5
• 699[10:11:46] <judd> Package dhcpcd5 (net, optional) in buster/amd64: DHCPv4, IPv6RA and DHCPv6 client with IPv4LL support. Version: 7.1.0-2; Size: 159.6k; Installed: 395k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 703[10:14:04] <ratrace> ArsenArsen: yes and networkd has a built-in dhcp function so you don't need a daemon like dhcpcd
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• 705[10:14:52] <ArsenArsen> ratrace: and I don't need dhcp clients in this case, this is for a dhcp server :P I was just using it because it was a solution I was more familiar with, and it did static ips for me
• 706[10:15:21] <ratrace> BTW... dhcpcd is in trouble, the upstream is having health issues and its future is in question. Contributions welcome.
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• 711[10:21:09] <oxek> id dhcpd any good?
• 712[10:22:30] <ratrace> ItWorks(tm)
• 713[10:25:12] <ArsenArsen> yeah, I know, unfortunate
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• 780[11:39:09] <wrksx> Hey guys
• 781[11:39:26] <wrksx> got this error today
• 782[11:39:28] <wrksx> EXT4-fs error (device dm-1): ext4_lookup:1701: inode #26217466: comm Cache2 I/O: iget: checksum invalid
• 783[11:39:42] <wrksx> I'm a bit puzzled at what's goin on
• 784[11:40:04] <wrksx> FS has been remounted readonly after that error
• 785[11:40:16] <wrksx> but I'm clueless at what is dm-1 exactly
• 786[11:40:51] <wrksx> woops sorry found it
• 787[11:41:21] <TheBigK02> its device mapper...
• 788[11:41:35] <TheBigK02> wrksx: ur using lvm or cryptsetup?
• 789[11:41:40] <wrksx> yeah both
• 790[11:41:48] <wrksx> and I forgot about it
• 791[11:42:33] <TheBigK02> wrksx: about the filesystem error... if u didnt have any power outage or kernel panic of some kind... u should check smart of that device
• 792[11:42:54] <wrksx> TheBigK02: will defo check smart
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• 794[11:43:12] <wrksx> TheBigK02: no power outage or nothing, was working when it happened
• 795[11:43:55] <wrksx> Is their an easy way to find what volume actually is dm-1? I found it by checkin symlinks in /dev/mapper but that was not a cool way
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• 802[11:51:59] <ratrace> apt install patience
• 803[11:52:49] <oxek> E: Unable to locate package patience
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• 808[11:56:02] <wr> when i install a deb file on next updates i get keys of apt-key that avoid .asc files install on virtualbox?
• 809[11:56:30] <oxek> wr: please write that sentence again, trying to explain it better
• 810[11:58:04] <wr> oxek, on replaced-url
• 811[11:58:47] <flrnd> if you add the virtualbox repo, you'll get updates from that repo, if that's what you're asking
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• 813[11:59:09] <ksk> wr: thats only something oracle can answer, we dont know what is in these packaces. If one package is labled "oracle apt keys for use in debian"-debian-package - yes, then it might contain these keys..
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• 815[11:59:41] <flrnd> and, just in case, unless you need 100% virtualbox, with virt-manager / Gnome boxes you can have better performant virtual machines on linux running with QEMU/KVM
• 816[11:59:53] <ksk> !virtualbox
• 817[11:59:53] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see replaced-url
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• 819[12:00:39] <wr> ksk, ok, but usually on any deb file does it bring it? or i always need to add manualy keys?
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• 823[12:01:36] <wr> oxek, ksk my doubt is if i always need to add that manually or not
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• 825[12:01:50] <flrnd> the keys are for repos
• 826[12:02:03] <ksk> wr: subject, prediacate, object. Please try forming readable sentences :o
• 827[12:02:27] <oxek> If I understand you correctly, then the answer is no - installing virtualbox using the .deb file will not add the oracle repository, and hence it will not be automatically updated when doing apt upgrade
• 828[12:02:29] <ksk> In general: If you add a third party repo to your Debian installation (Something that is not official debian repos), yes, you will need to add "apt keys" to your system, so it trusts these new packages
• 829[12:03:30] <ksk> And as already stated by someone else, since Virtalbox its release cycle is not really compatible with Debian, I would suggest using something else, if you can.
• 830[12:03:55] <wr> ksk, sorry, my KB is not the best and EN is not my main language
• 831[12:04:34] <wr> oxek, ah ok, now i get those keys are oracle ones
• 832[12:04:46] <wr> *it
• 833[12:05:00] <flrnd> wr: do you need VBox exclusively for some imperative reason?
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• 836[12:05:58] <wr> ksk, yes i know, but in my use cases it's what works best here, if i had another hardware i could go on other things like QEMU
• 837[12:06:07] <oxek> virtualbox is still the best tool for many people, virt-manager does not come close in terms of user friendliness, especially drag-drop files & copy-paste text
• 838[12:06:15] <wr> flrnd, yes to some point
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• 840[12:07:13] <oxek> it's a pity that oracle and debian have not come to some agreement yet. Even chromium is in debian repos now, and it certainly does not have a debian-compatible release schedule.
• 841[12:07:19] <flrnd> Well, asking because we were tied 2 years ago to VBox due to some vagrant images, and took some time porting to kvm but now we're glad that ditched vbox for good
• 842[12:07:35] <wr> oxek, i used to go on QEMU and Virt-manager, but the Vbox is easier to manage for me via GUI on my devices, on other hardware setup i could go otherwise
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• 844[12:08:33] <flrnd> you use whatever works best for you, that's for sure.
• 845[12:08:54] <flrnd> it's like oxek said more a problem on Oracle's side
• 846[12:09:10] <oxek> oracle is a pain
• 847[12:09:16] <oxek> always was
• 848[12:09:25] <wr> oxek, ksk just to clear my ideas, so when i install that deb file on my Debian i should still add the keys, right?
• 849[12:09:43] <ksk> "that deb file"
• 850[12:09:43] <oxek> wr: if you install that deb manually, you don't need to do anything with keys
• 851[12:09:47] <flrnd> if you want to add the repo for updates, yes
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• 853[12:10:07] <oxek> if you want to have automatic updates, then you add the repository, and then install virtualbox through apt
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• 855[12:10:17] <wr> oxek, i can't say it's my favorite thing to use but... works...
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• 859[12:12:07] <wr> flrnd, oxek i was confusing a bit repo, keys etc, but now i get it. So i have to edit my sources too
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• 862[12:13:55] <flrnd> wr: do you use the stock stable kernel?
• 863[12:14:37] <flrnd> because If I recall correctly, vbox kernel modules will fail if you use a backport kernel or different from stock one
• 864[12:14:52] <flrnd> *backported
• 865[12:15:04] <wr> flrnd, beyond updates i haven't changed anything special so i guess yes
• 866[12:15:18] <flrnd> okey, good
• 867[12:15:24] <oxek> flrnd: should be fine with latest vbox and 5.10 kernel from backports now
• 868[12:15:28] <wr> flrnd, ah ok
• 869[12:15:42] <flrnd> oxek: oh didn't know
• 870[12:15:57] <oxek> it was an issue with some of the 5.x kernels where vbox was not updated quickly enough to build on those kernels
• 871[12:16:45] <oxek> flrnd: replaced-url
• 872[12:17:12] <wr> flrnd, i do have backports now
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• 875[12:18:18] <wr> flrnd, oxek now that you refer that maybe i just install and uninstall deb files, for me is a easier process but i don't remember having any issues almost ever
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• 878[12:21:01] <wr> oxek, ksk flrnd sometimes i do a procedure and it works and i think i am doing it accordingly but when i start to get doubts i need a ask
• 879[12:21:40] <flrnd> asking is good.
• 880[12:22:16] <flrnd> also, a little English practice would be good too ;) <3
• 881[12:22:39] <oxek> wr: out of curiosity, what's your main language?
• 882[12:22:59] <flrnd> I guessed East eu
• 883[12:23:09] <flrnd> or maybe Asia?
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• 885[12:24:17] <flrnd> (just because he told something about his keyboard layout and thought about languages with non-latin standard keys)
• 886[12:24:40] <flrnd> but probably I'm here a wrong smartass :P
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• 888[12:29:40] <wr> flrnd, usually people tell me my EN is good, my KB is not so good by the way i am wondering on the model to go for some time like few months but this if off the record here .. the ask on some issues of least technical to formulate question... arf... but nevermind
• 889[12:32:00] <flrnd> I don't mind, I'm not an English native speaker either,
• 890[12:32:30] <wr> flrnd, i can't edit on the IRC so is a pain
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• 893[12:33:23] <flrnd> you can, just don't press enter to send!
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• 898[12:41:46] <IamTrying> When will have mining OS? (Hiveos, mineros)?
• 899[12:42:41] <ratrace> youretrying in a wrong channel.
• 900[12:45:21] <IamTrying> ratrace: how come Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora is so old in mining OS's? strange, thought they would rule the linux but now i see some bunch of new Hiveos, Mineros etc etc
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• 903[12:46:39] <ratrace> IamTrying: no idea and not really ontopic here in #debian.
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• 905[12:48:01] <IamTrying> I was shocked ratrace. so many guru are backwarded on this. anyway thanks
• 906[12:48:03] <cws> Why are we talking about Venezuelan football clubs?
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• 911[12:50:19] <wrksx> back online, after finishing backup of the few bits I didn't have back up already, disk failed to boot, FS was bad, fsck managed to get it back in shape
• 912[12:50:55] <wrksx> Now I'm looking into smart checking it but that's an nvme drive does that make some kind of diff?
• 913[12:51:11] <ratrace> wrksx: check your backups thoroughly, it's possible you have data corruption as well (this was metadata), and ext4 is not tracking those
• 914[12:52:53] <wrksx> ratrace: you mean "manually" checking the backups?
• 915[12:54:34] <ratrace> wrksx: well I don't know how you've got it set up there and if you even have a way to detect data corruption
• 916[12:55:09] <wrksx> ratrace: That's simple rsync on a spare disk
• 917[12:55:42] <ratrace> then you don't really have a good backup system where you can verify data integrity. btw, is that ext4 atop of bcache device?
• 918[12:56:02] <wrksx> ratrace: sorry you lost me there
• 919[12:56:11] <ratrace> what's the DM device
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• 922[12:57:39] <wrksx> it's a logical volume
• 923[12:57:45] <wrksx> ext4
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• 925[12:58:35] <ratrace> wrksx: never mind, that "Cache2" is not a name but ext4 thingy. yeah, as suspected, you have metadata corruption, and maybe even data corruption. SMART is false negative, it may say there's nothing wrong, but it is.
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• 928[13:00:52] <wrksx> ratrace: not sure I'm following. You say the arror was about having corrupted metadata right?
• 929[13:00:58] <wrksx> the *error*
• 930[13:01:20] <ratrace> yes. but ext4 does not keep data checksums so it can't tell you if data is corrupt as well
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• 932[13:01:31] <wrksx> ratrace: right I get that
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• 934[13:01:49] <ratrace> and usually where there's one, there's likely more corruption issues.
• 935[13:02:21] <wrksx> ratrace: what concerns me is should I concider the disk faulty and replace it
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• 937[13:02:47] <wrksx> I have no way to assert data are corrupted or not, but I still need to move on
• 938[13:03:14] <ratrace> this is insufficient info to make that conclusion. you can run SMART tests (not sure how that works with nvme SSDs), but note that absence of reported errors does NOT mean there aren't any. SMART is dumb.
• 939[13:03:57] <ratrace> it's even possible there's an issue in RAM. this could've been a transient bit flip in flight, in memory, or persistent in the ssd cells.
• 940[13:04:17] <ratrace> or it could be a more serious media degradation issue in the ssd.
• 941[13:04:55] <ratrace> if you can temporarily copy data somewhere else, it's possible to run (data destructive!) badblocks tests with various patterns to detect if there's media degradation
• 942[13:05:04] <ratrace> otherwise not much you can do but wait until it happens again
• 943[13:05:44] <ratrace> for that reason I can't imagine using anything but zfs or btrfs. they would tell me if data was corrupt, if it's single random occurrence or a trend, and with redundancy, it'd even heal itself.
• 944[13:06:08] <wrksx> damn u sold me so perfectly
• 945[13:06:17] <wrksx> I want it
• 946[13:06:19] <wrksx> =)
• 947[13:06:45] <wr> wrksx, how is your disk?
• 948[13:06:57] <wrksx> wr: what'd you mean how is it?
• 949[13:07:05] <wr> wrksx, hardware
• 950[13:08:17] <wrksx> wr: I don't see what u mean, like what kind of disk is it u mean?
• 951[13:08:42] <wr> wrksx, i mean if you did a test on the hardware, if the disk is OK
• 952[13:09:19] <wrksx> wr, I'm looking for a way to test the disk with smart
• 953[13:10:12] <ratrace> well for starters you can look at SMART attributes and see if anything is reported (minding that lack of reported error doesn't mean there isn't any)
• 954[13:10:28] <ratrace> bad sectors, reallocated sectors, pending reallocation, uncorrectible, etc...
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• 957[13:11:14] <ratrace> (though I must emphasize, I'm not sure how SMART actually works with nvme interfaced SSDs, are those attributes even applicable)
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• 959[13:12:28] <wr> wrksx, there are many ways of doing it but one quick easy way is gnome disk utility just nvme never tried to see how much info brings
• 960[13:13:45] <wr> wrksx, the manufacturer for sure has a tool for that too
• 961[13:13:45] <ratrace> wrksx: assuming you're familiar with and trying to use the smartctl utility?
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• 963[13:14:40] <wrksx> ratrace: I forgot nearly everything about smartmontools and trying to gather my memories. But I've seen stuff online saying there's no use to check nvme drives
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• 970[13:16:20] <ratrace> wrksx: I don't know but running `smartctl -a /dev/<nvme device>` (or just -A instead of -a) will give you at least some info
• 971[13:16:34] <wrksx> I have this replaced-url
• 972[13:16:37] <ratrace> it'll either give you _some_ attributes that _may_ be useful, or not. did you check that?
• 973[13:16:58] <wrksx> ratrace: yeah I did
• 974[13:17:00] <wrksx> Unsafe Shutdowns: 106
• 975[13:17:03] <wrksx> Error Information Log Entries: 942
• 976[13:17:06] <ratrace> !pastebin
• 977[13:17:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 978[13:17:16] <wrksx> wasn't more than two lines
• 979[13:17:49] <ratrace> wrksx: okay, so no attributes with words like "uncorrectible", "reallocated sector", "pending", ... ?
• 980[13:18:32] <wrksx> nope
• 981[13:18:36] <wrksx> just Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
• 982[13:18:51] <ratrace> wrksx: for `smartctl -a /dev/nvme...` ?
• 983[13:19:09] <wrksx> yep
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• 985[13:19:28] <wrksx> let me paste the whole thing just so you have quick look
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• 987[13:20:22] <wrksx> replaced-url
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• 989[13:21:40] <ratrace> wrksx: "Error Information Log Entries: 942" that's a pretty interesting item you failed to mention :)
• 990[13:21:54] <wrksx> wr, I have no idea where to find a corsair tool for checking a disk. Any idea? I had a look at the website with no luck
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• 992[13:22:04] <ratrace> wrksx: do you have the `nvme` tool? (nvme-cli package) there should be the ability to run `nvme smart-log /dev/nvme...` .. do you get more infor with that?
• 993[13:22:04] <wrksx> ratrace: I did mentionned it =)
• 994[13:22:07] <wrksx> mention
• 995[13:22:18] <ratrace> indeed you ahve and I'm blind apparently. sorry about that.
• 996[13:22:29] <wrksx> that's alright
• 997[13:22:56] <wrksx> I guess that's the result of the backup
• 998[13:23:05] <wr> wrksx, i said usually they have, if you want you could contact corsair and ask, but for sure debian has also tools
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• 1003[13:24:17] <wrksx> ratrace: I do have nvme, here is the result but there's not much. I'm looking into this tool right now
• 1004[13:24:19] <wrksx> replaced-url
• 1005[13:24:45] <TheBigK02> that number of log entries is not a good sign
• 1006[13:25:01] <wrksx> TheBigK02: true
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• 1008[13:25:35] <TheBigK02> recently i swapped an ssd for a colleague having io errors as well... although the vendor tool didnt say it was broken we swapped the ssd
• 1009[13:25:39] <TheBigK02> since then we had no issues anymore
• 1010[13:25:51] <TheBigK02> but its the same with sata ssds
• 1011[13:25:57] <TheBigK02> but its the same with sata hard drives
• 1012[13:26:09] <TheBigK02> when they have pending sectors... im not trusting the drive anymore
• 1013[13:26:47] <TheBigK02> usually vendors are quite okay when u give them reasons why u want a new drive there are quite okay to take the drive and send u a new one if its still under warranty
• 1014[13:26:51] <TheBigK02> i would give that a shot
• 1015[13:27:19] <ratrace> wrksx: I see. there's also some other subcommands in nvme, like a bunch of *-log ones. I have no experience with them, but perhaps google up how to use them and mine them for more specific info about the nvme health
• 1016[13:27:39] <TheBigK02> wrksx: replaced-url
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• 1021[13:28:22] <ratrace> wrksx: but bottom line, nothing beats an actual performance test. the best one is badblocks -w but that is gonna _erase_ data, so perhaps run it offline, with a tested copy of data stored elsewhere
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• 1024[13:29:06] <ratrace> wrksx: you can also use badblocks in read only mode, less effective but multiple passes could unearth cell instability.
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• 1028[13:31:02] <wr> wrksx, i can only say this by experience if you suspect and confirm a disk is bad, trash it and buy a good new one, cause data matters
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• 1030[13:31:26] <wr> wrksx, never run an unstable disk
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• 1044[13:45:26] <TheBigK02> i would assume from the amount of data read/written to it that its under waranty. so trashbin might be the wrong thing to do :)
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• 1062[13:52:09] <wr> when i run a "sudo apt install gnupg-agent" should it go without asking "yes"?
• 1063[13:52:49] <jelly> yes if there's nothing more apt needs to do to achieve that
• 1064[13:52:55] <wr> usually apt-get asks something
• 1065[13:53:11] <jelly> for a single package install action?
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• 1067[13:53:31] <jelly> that doesn't touch any other packages?
• 1068[13:53:33] <wr> jelly, why apt and apt-get differ, this is more a curiosity of mine
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• 1070[13:54:03] <wr> jelly, ah because is a single package, the ask is on many
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• 1080[14:02:00] <wrksx> TheBigK02: Yeah warranty is still goin for this one, might ask for a replacement if happens again
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• 1082[14:04:37] <wrksx> ratrace: I'll give a try with nvme tools, but I'm kinda interested in the performance test you mentionned =)
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• 1084[14:05:28] <wrksx> ratrace: would you say badblock readonly mode is safe?
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• 1086[14:06:36] <wrksx> if only I had two RAIDed system disks so I could test this only while still using the other
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• 1091[14:10:35] <wlfshmn> I'm trying to build a deb from a source that contains a large amount of files I would like to exlucde from the build .deb, but I'm having some trouble figuring out how to make this happen. The module is a data module without a makefile, so I'm specifying an install file with entries by wildcard which includes a subdirectory I would like to exlude. Being more specific as to what to include in the install file
• 1092[14:10:37] <wlfshmn> would add thousands of lines to that file, to eclude one, and I don't see a way to specify excludes for that file. Is there another way or have i missed an exclude function?
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• 1209[14:43:27] <wknapik> hi
• 1210[14:43:39] <blackop> hi
• 1211[14:43:54] <blackop> how can i get old wifi pc card working on debian 10_?
• 1212[14:43:56] <blackop> replaced-url
• 1213[14:45:09] <wknapik> how can i conditionally prevent the installation of a file in a .deb package (as opposed to installing it unconditionally and conditionally removing it in postinst)?
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• 1217[14:46:29] <blackop> oh ok it is working
• 1218[14:46:33] <blackop> i needed to reboot
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• 1222[14:48:37] <mentor> wknapik: That doesn't sound like the right solution to whatever problem you're having
• 1223[14:49:20] <mentor> blackop: If it was a lack of firmware, you could possibly have just reloaded the kernel module
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• 1225[14:50:17] <wknapik> mentor i have two files in the package and i only want to install one, but i need to determine which one on the actual target system. i implemented it by installing both and `rm` in postinst on one, but i hear this is not the way to go, as there will be warnings about the missing file?
• 1226[14:51:08] <mentor> wknapik: You probably want to install both to a secondary location and then symlink to the correct one for the situation. Possibly with alternatives.
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• 1228[14:51:46] <mentor> wknapik: Alternatively, you could create two packages, each with one file, and depend on either being installed
• 1229[14:51:59] <mentor> Two extra packages
• 1230[14:53:41] <mentor> wknapik: Is that helpful for your situation?
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• 1234[14:55:18] <blackop> mentor: i installed the firmware i was expecting it to work without reboot but after reboot it is working nw
• 1235[14:55:21] <blackop> now
• 1236[14:55:40] <mentor> blackop: The firmware only gets loaded when the driver initialises
• 1237[14:55:51] <blackop> i have another problem now
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• 1240[14:56:15] <mentor> We don't place a limit on problems per channel use
• 1241[14:56:20] <wknapik> mentor let me make this more specific. the package currently installs a keychain in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d. i want to switch to a keychain in /usr/share/keyrings and using `signed-by'. to get the actual benefit of `signed-by' (limiting the scope of applicability), i need to remove the keychain in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, but i can only do it if i know the user is already using the new one in
• 1242[14:56:22] <blackop> there are 2 cardbus slot on the laptop, when i put the pc card on top slot it freezes the system
• 1243[14:56:26] <wknapik> /usr/share/keyrings. so i put both files in the package and i conditionally remove the file in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, which i was told is not the right approach.
• 1244[14:56:32] <blackop> what could be the issue?
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• 1248[15:00:14] <mentor> wknapik: Files in /etc are config files, which means that they can be changed with greater abandon, but you have to respect any configuration by the system administrator
• 1249[15:00:49] <mentor> wknapik: I think a question during package installation may suffice, but I'm not 100% on how policy works here
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• 1252[15:01:49] <wknapik> mentor i'd rather avoid bugging the user. i can pretty reliably figure out what to do. but will it not cause trouble if i remove a file in /etc (with, or without asking the user during installation)?
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• 1254[15:04:27] <mentor> wknapik: Config files are treated differently than other package files
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• 1257[15:07:18] <wknapik> mentor is that to say that i can just remove a file in /etc and not worry about it?
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• 1259[15:07:38] <mentor> wknapik: No, that is not what I'm saying
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• 1261[15:08:27] <mentor> wknapik: I'm saying you should check policy for config files
• 1262[15:08:56] <wknapik> mentor yeah, i'm reading up on config files, haven't found the answer yet, will keep reading ;] thanks.
• 1263[15:09:12] <blackop> i am getting 3 warnings at sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
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• 1265[15:09:36] <mentor> blackop: What happens if you use the bottom slot?
• 1266[15:09:45] <blackop> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100
• 1267[15:09:52] <blackop> 3 of them same
• 1268[15:10:11] <blackop> mentor: bottom slot is working fine but top slot causing freeze
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• 1270[15:11:14] <flrnd> blackop: those warnings sometimes are normal. It's just saying that those blobs are missing. You can ignore them (If you don't have any related hardware) or download the full blob package from kernel git repo
• 1271[15:11:47] <blackop> i am not sure if they are related with my hardware
• 1272[15:12:10] <mentor> I'm pretty sure that warning will be because of a loaded module
• 1273[15:12:22] <blackop> i didnt update for long time maybe that s why
• 1274[15:12:34] <blackop> i dont get warnings anymore when i check updates
• 1275[15:12:53] <blackop> but about my pc card slot what could be problem?
• 1276[15:12:57] <blackop> freezing issue
• 1277[15:15:11] <flrnd> I'm late to the party, what's freezing?
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• 1280[15:19:43] <ratrace> you shouldn't ignore missing firmware. that means the kernel module wants it but it's not there, so it's applicable to your hardware
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• 1285[15:21:05] <petn-randall> ratrace: That's not always true, though. i915 will scan for all firmware there exists for intel GPUs, even though you likely will only have one model installed.
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• 1289[15:23:52] <flrnd> not exactly
• 1290[15:24:21] <flrnd> that means that initram is trying to create the initrd and it has missing firmware, but that doesn't mean that you need those firmware
• 1291[15:24:29] <ratrace> petn-randall: I suppose such exceptions are possible, yes.
• 1292[15:24:45] <ratrace> so as a general rule of thumb, they shouldn't be ignored and are wanted by the module
• 1293[15:24:53] <flrnd> or not
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• 1295[15:25:55] <flrnd> when you do an update and the update script triggers the initram creation, it will try to add all the supported modules (usually, generic, which includes a variety of supported drivers)
• 1296[15:26:02] <ratrace> hrm... I missed the part where this was initramfs involved. I assumed it's was kernel ring buffer log entry on module load
• 1297[15:26:10] <flrnd> indeed
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• 1299[15:26:30] <ratrace> so anyway, shouldn't be ignored. check to see if it is applicable or not.
• 1300[15:27:00] <flrnd> well the warning he was getting is from a e100 network card, not sure if it is related to him or not
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• 1405[17:22:56] <fd0`> hi, would anyone know how i can add an extra inlude path (/usr/include/libspl) to the build of and existing package (samba)
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• 1407[17:23:22] <fd0`> i have been searching for this and seem to be unable to find an answer
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• 1409[17:23:46] <fd0`> debian bullseye
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• 1413[17:25:01] <sney> if you're modifying the package, you'd use debian/packagename.dirs - see 'man dh_installdirs', it's in debhelper
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• 1417[17:27:12] <fd0`> tnx for the hint
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• 1419[17:27:51] <jrtc27> do you mean include path or list of things to install ?
• 1420[17:28:27] <fd0`> include path, -I/usr/include/libspl
• 1421[17:28:46] <jrtc27> look at dpkg-buildflags
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• 1429[17:37:29] <fd0`> tnx
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• 1459[18:01:33] <JordiGH> !checkbackport gajim
• 1460[18:01:46] <JordiGH> halp halp what's the command
• 1461[18:02:14] <sney> it's ,checkbackport because that one is judd
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• 1465[18:05:19] <karlpinc> I'm in firefox at replaced-url
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• 1468[18:06:24] <sney> if a private window didn't work, I can't imagine closing firefox would do it either
• 1469[18:06:38] <istrive> hellow world! I hope everyone is safe and healthy... ;)
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• 1471[18:07:27] <JordiGH> ,checkbackport gajim
• 1472[18:07:28] <judd> Backporting package gajim in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 1473[18:07:40] <JordiGH> Oh well, I'll wait.
• 1474[18:07:50] <sney> debhelper-compat is a red herring, that means it'll work
• 1475[18:08:08] <istrive> my locale shows LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and LANGUAGE= empty, it's Debian Buster... when I list some music file names shows with ? or a square, how to fix this to show the proper char like in windows?
• 1476[18:08:45] <istrive> it is a mounted volume utf-8 set
• 1477[18:08:56] <sney> istrive: fonts
• 1478[18:09:11] <istrive> which fonts?
• 1479[18:09:24] <istrive> how to check that?
• 1480[18:09:43] <sney> unifont has all of the visible unicode symbols, others are sorted by language
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• 1482[18:09:55] <karlpinc> istrive: I always guess randomly until it works.
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• 1484[18:10:47] <istrive> I always ask first... ;)
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• 1488[18:11:48] <karlpinc> Oooh, cool. Debtags has a "culture::" catagory.
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• 1503[18:36:42] <deadrom> hi.
• 1504[18:38:06] <deadrom> does a Turion CPU as found in the older HP Microserver Gen7 have enough punch to drive mdadm raid5 with fast disks? the GBE will limit to 100-110MB/s anyway, but will I be driving the CPU to the limit all the time?
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• 1507[18:39:43] <tj11> Iam trying to get Debian to run on Unraid. My Installation always stops at the Samba Server. Does anyone know how to avoid that? Its Debian Bullseye...
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• 1510[18:40:15] <V|A> shalom
• 1511[18:41:34] <karlpinc> !debian-next
• 1512[18:41:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1513[18:41:57] <rudi_s> deadrom: CPU shouldn't be an issue for RAID 5. Crypto (with LUKS) could be a problem. - But I use both and it works fine, getting ~100 MiB/s write speed.
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• 1516[18:42:26] <rudi_s> Not sure what "Turioun" is, though. My CPU is an Intel Celeron.
• 1517[18:43:01] <rudi_s> Ah, wait. My microserver is gen8. Sorry.
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• 1520[18:43:22] <rudi_s> But still, CPU should not be an issue for RAID 5.
• 1521[18:43:27] <sney> turions were a low-power amd64 series. it's probably just as capable as any reasonably modern 64-bit x86 cpu
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• 1526[18:45:44] <rudi_s> Thanks
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• 1532[18:53:28] <deadrom> well - one way to find out
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• 1552[19:17:31] <abff> !paste
• 1553[19:17:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1554[19:17:38] <abff> .net?!
• 1555[19:17:42] <abff> okay
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• 1576[19:48:19] <Nav|C> How do I bypass this "WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed." I don't want to uninstall my desktop, I just want to uninstall printer "support"
• 1577[19:48:38] <greycat> A desktop is not an essential package.
• 1578[19:48:49] <greycat> You are omitting all of the important information in your request.
• 1579[19:48:57] <Nav|C> No buts "cups" is essential aparently
• 1580[19:49:02] <greycat> It is not.
• 1581[19:49:29] <Nav|C> replaced-url
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• 1583[19:49:58] <greycat> ,v pop-desktop
• 1584[19:49:59] <judd> No package named 'pop-desktop' was found in amd64.
• 1585[19:50:15] <greycat> This isn't a Debian system. Find the support channel for whatever this is.
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• 1587[19:50:23] <Nav|C> Oh perhaps I should ask ubuntu
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• 1589[19:50:45] <Nav|C> But doesn't apt have a way to make it not importent?
• 1590[19:50:46] <Nav|C> ok I will ask ubuntu
• 1591[19:50:46] <Nav|C> thanks tho
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• 1594[19:51:11] <flrnd> oh right, Pop-OS
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• 1596[19:51:32] <greycat> you say that as if you've *heard* of it before
• 1597[19:52:03] <flrnd> I say like for a moment I went to apt to find if it was a new de XD
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• 1600[19:55:13] <greycat> Well, I found their official web site, and at the bottom they have a "Pop!_community" link that takes you to a web-based chat system. :(
• 1601[19:55:31] <greycat> So I guess that's their sole means of support.
• 1602[19:56:06] <flrnd> pop os is just Ubuntu with a different shell and a few tools written in rust (like the new trend dictates)
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• 1604[19:56:57] <greycat> so you *have* heard of it...
• 1605[19:57:02] <flrnd> Yep
• 1606[19:57:19] <flrnd> I was tempted to buy one of their laptops
• 1607[19:58:01] <flrnd> but then I found that their laptos are a reskined version of a german company, and bought one of those instead
• 1608[19:58:11] <flrnd> laptops*
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• 1612[20:05:41] <istrive> how to use find to list only the filename without extension
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• 1615[20:06:10] <greycat> That... sounds like an X-Y problem to me.
• 1616[20:06:20] <greycat> What are you going to do with the partial filename?
• 1617[20:06:20] <flrnd> you have to do some voodoo to do that
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• 1619[20:06:31] <flrnd> and by the way, fd-find it's pretty cool ;)
• 1620[20:07:15] <flrnd> for i in $(ls); do echo "${i%%.*}"; done
• 1621[20:07:27] <greycat> oh GODS no
• 1622[20:07:27] <istrive> a folder has a list of files with txt and another with m3u, I want to copy the m3u based on the matching txt
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• 1624[20:08:41] <greycat> I... can't understand what you're saying. But in any comprehensible variant of what you said, you would use a shell script that receives the filenames and slices them up and does whatever stuff you actually need.
• 1625[20:09:16] <greycat> Either pipe find's output to a while read loop, or use find -exec bash -c '...', or use globstar and **/*.m3u, or some other recursing variant.
• 1626[20:09:34] <greycat> do NOT use $(ls)
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• 1628[20:09:53] <flrnd> lol that was just me being silly ^^ sorry
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• 1630[20:10:52] <greycat> shopt -s globstar; for f in **/*.m3u; do dir=${f%/*} file=${f##*/} base=${file%%.*}; ...; done
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• 1632[20:11:37] <istrive> thanks
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• 1640[20:18:24] <ratrace> out of sheer curiosity.... why not $(ls)
• 1641[20:18:54] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1642[20:19:46] <okee> I got some problems, and wondering if I accidentally took away permissions from my primary hard drive. I have no connectivity, and all of the various file systems have a hard drive icon on top of them. I couldnt save a file to the drive after seeing a red "x", and attempted to improve the situation by adding rw with chmod for both user, and groups, but also took away execute ability. Im on my cell phone.
• 1643[20:20:27] <petn-randall> okee: What did you do that started the problems initially?
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• 1645[20:20:54] <okee> Laptop quit working after I did this, and I cant even reboot.
• 1646[20:21:06] <ratrace> greycat: hmmm, right.
• 1647[20:21:08] <petn-randall> okee: Like, what's the *exact* command you ran?
• 1648[20:22:01] <okee> sudo chmod ug+rw /to/path
• 1649[20:22:26] <petn-randall> okee: and /to/path being / ?
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• 1651[20:22:37] <okee> sudo chmod ugo-x
• 1652[20:22:42] <greycat> and it said "chmod: /to/path: no such file or directory", right?
• 1653[20:22:57] <okee> No, it went through
• 1654[20:23:00] <petn-randall> And the 2nd command said "Missing parameter"?
• 1655[20:23:02] <greycat> so you're lying
• 1656[20:23:08] <rgwu> Re the discussion on find, it does seem to be one of the worst unix utilies available. Almost all my finds take the form of 'find someDir | grep stuffHere'
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• 1658[20:23:23] <greycat> rgwu: you're using it incorrectly.
• 1659[20:23:32] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1660[20:23:32] <petn-randall> okee: I'm asking for the *exact* command, you should find it in your bash history by pressing the up key.
• 1661[20:23:50] <petn-randall> Any other example is not helpful here.
• 1662[20:23:54] <okee> I didnt type the command here for the path.
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• 1664[20:24:19] <rgwu> perhaps, but with solid state drives the method I use is a lot faster to type than whatever voodoo globbing find demands, and the regex provided by grep is also quite a bit more flexible.
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• 1666[20:24:26] <okee> Command line wont come up
• 1667[20:24:27] <flrnd> fd-find + fzf
• 1668[20:24:47] <rgwu> flrnd: fzf is great. I've never used fd-find.
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• 1670[20:25:03] <flrnd> rgwu: fd-find is a better find
• 1671[20:25:29] <okee> Im powering off.
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• 1673[20:25:52] <petn-randall> okee: I guess backing the data up, and reinstalling is your best option then.
• 1674[20:25:53] <rgwu> 'find someDir | grep someStuff' has the benefit of using applications available on almost any *nix system.
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• 1676[20:26:08] <flrnd> rgwu: find is painly slow. try fd, you don't need to pipe
• 1677[20:26:19] <flrnd> painfully*
• 1678[20:26:34] <petn-randall> okee: You can't fix a system if it's off.
• 1679[20:26:37] <greycat> if you're only doing this *interactively*, then it's fine
• 1680[20:27:27] <okee> Laptop wont boot. Im going to try to get into safe mode.
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• 1683[20:28:16] <okee> Laptop is booting into recovery mode
• 1684[20:28:19] <greycat> "My system broke, and then I typed some chmod commands and it broke more, but I can't say why it broke in the first place, and I can't tell you what chmod commands I ran, and now it won't even boot..."
• 1685[20:28:21] <petn-randall> okee: Of course it won't boot.
• 1686[20:28:52] <petn-randall> okee: If you can't provide the commands, and you now just rebooted without reason, I recommend reinstalling.
• 1687[20:29:10] <petn-randall> Now that you rebooted there's no way finding out what you exactly ran.
• 1688[20:29:27] <okee> Petn-randall> I did indicate the chmod commands earlier.
• 1689[20:29:39] <ratrace> chances are, if -R wasn't used, that only "/ path/to/..." (sic!) was done and systemd is having issues with top level dir perms
• 1690[20:29:49] <greycat> okee: you did NOT!
• 1691[20:29:50] <okee> Still booting into recovery mode
• 1692[20:29:50] <ratrace> if -R was used.... time to downlad the ISO.
• 1693[20:29:55] <greycat> you just lied about them
• 1694[20:29:57] <petn-randall> okee: You didn't provide what was asked for, you just gave an approximate answer which isn't helpful.
• 1695[20:29:58] <flrnd> okee: boot from a livecd, mount the home partition (root if you only have one), rescue any data and reinstall
• 1696[20:30:44] <petn-randall> okee: None of the commands you gave would break a system.
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• 1698[20:32:31] <okee> Maybe the hard drive failed?
• 1699[20:32:58] * petn-randall rubs the magical 8-ball.
• 1700[20:33:20] * flrnd send some magic batteries for petn-randall 8-ball
• 1701[20:33:30] <ratrace> !magic 8-ball
• 1702[20:33:30] <dpkg> Insufficient entropy to continue.
• 1703[20:33:30] <petn-randall> Eh wait, my 8-ball is in the shops for repairs.
• 1704[20:33:40] <okee> Laptop will not boot, and stuck at the line that says Firmware revision 0.0 build 121 week 36 2020
• 1705[20:33:45] <MrPickles> hello please recommend him to create separate "/" and "/home" partition
• 1706[20:33:53] <okee> I will boot from a live cd.
• 1707[20:34:14] <flrnd> it will be faster
• 1708[20:34:22] <greycat> MrPickles: when you install you can select "manual partitioning" and do whatever you want. Or do you mean on a system that's already installed?
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• 1711[20:37:14] <rgwu> flrnd: Oh man, first invocation of fdfind and I already love it.
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• 1713[20:37:38] <flrnd> rgwu: now install ripgrep and ag, and you're set
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• 1715[20:37:59] <ratrace> FindWorsForMe(tm), GetOffMyLawn(tm)
• 1716[20:38:08] <rgwu> flrnd: I have and use rg, no need for ag.
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• 1719[20:39:30] <ratrace> !magic 8-ball
• 1720[20:39:31] <dpkg> Reply hazy, try again.
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• 1722[20:39:39] <ratrace> oh so you DO have the entropy...
• 1723[20:40:17] <greycat> entropy does have a hazy appearance
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• 1725[20:40:34] <flrnd> rgwu: anyway, fdfind is from the same dude that wrote ripgrep
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• 1727[20:41:19] <ratrace> greycat: and I got pwnt, "Insufficient entropy" is a regular reply it seems... lol.
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• 1729[20:42:22] <rgwu> flrnd: That helps explain how it's so fast.
• 1730[20:43:23] <istrive> this worked as I expected, using find!
• 1731[20:43:28] <istrive> find . -type f -iname "*.txt" | while read f; do rp=$(basename "$f"); fno="${rp%.*}"; echo $fno; do
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• 1734[20:44:41] <greycat> dpkg literal magic 8-ball
• 1735[20:44:41] <dpkg> "magic 8-ball" is "<reply>(Signs point to yes|Yes|Reply hazy, try again|Without a doubt|My sources say no|As I see it, yes|You may rely on it|Concentrate and ask again|Outlook (not so good|good)|It is decidedly so|Better not tell you now|Very doubtful|Yes--definitely|It is certain|Cannot predict now|Most likely|Ask again later|My reply is no|Don't count on it|Insufficient entropy to continue)."
• 1736[20:45:27] <greycat> istrive: ${f##*/} is more efficient than basename, which is why I used it. You also forgot to quote "$fno".
• 1737[20:46:37] <greycat> also, if you're going to do the "pipe to while" approach: use find -print0 to generate NUL-delimited names. use "while IFS= read -r -d '' f" to read them, and not perform any mangling.
• 1738[20:46:50] <MrPickles> greycat: if its already installed in that case partitioning is possible?
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• 1740[20:47:11] <greycat> MrPickles: do you have any unused disks, or any un-partitioned space on an existing disk?
• 1741[20:47:36] <okee> Ok, Im in live cd. Dhould I go to Advanced options?
• 1742[20:48:04] * filePeter is secretly a dog on the internet.
• 1743[20:48:29] <okee> Ok, Im in live cd. Dhould I go to Advanced options? Im on my cell phone.
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• 1745[20:49:09] <okee> Ok, Im in live cd. Dhould I go to Advanced options?
• 1746[20:49:25] <MrPickles> greycat: yes
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• 1748[20:49:57] <okee> I hit the wrong button on my cell phone. Sorry about the refundancy.
• 1749[20:50:32] <okee> Graphical rescue mode?
• 1750[20:51:03] <greycat> Then make a new partition, and make a file system inside it. Log out of all user accounts, and log in as root no the console. Mount the new file system somewhere temporarily. Copy /home into it. Move/rename /home to /home.old, mkdir /home, unmount the temporary mount, edit fstab, and re-mount /home.
• 1751[20:51:46] <greycat> Probably reboot for good measure, just in case *something* is still running that has open files in the old home.
• 1752[20:52:07] <greycat> Once you bring it up with the new /home and verify that everything is working, you can remove /home.old.
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• 1754[20:53:10] <okee> Loaded components.
• 1755[20:53:44] <okee> At the "no ethernet card" prompt.
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• 1759[20:56:08] <MrPickles> greycat: thanx ...
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• 1762[21:01:51] <okee> Firmware wasnt found on my USB memory stick so im booting up an adjacent 32 bit system.
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• 1780[21:16:38] <okee> I have plugged the hard drive enclosure into the 32 bit system, but cant see anything. Permissions look ok after running namei -m /to/path/
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• 1783[21:18:08] <filePeter> I’am installing Debian with a fully encrypted disk containing LVM partitions. Is AES 256 (as stated by the installer) enough for private laptop use?
• 1784[21:18:13] <okee> Only the file system with the data usnt visible. The orher partitions are accessible.
• 1785[21:18:45] <ratrace> filePeter: the installer defaults are fine
• 1786[21:18:58] <filePeter> ratrace: thanks
• 1787[21:18:59] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1788[21:19:15] <greycat> that's the second time he used "/to/path" as a lie instead of revealing details
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• 1796[21:29:14] <okee> greycat: im on a cell phone, and its hard to type.
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• 1798[21:30:31] <okee> gretcat: permissions appear to be ok on the file system for pdq, but there is nothing there.
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• 1806[21:40:02] <srged> new debian install. no sound. any clue ?
• 1807[21:40:20] <greycat> un-mute the channel(s)
• 1808[21:40:38] <srged> greycat: from alsamixer ?
• 1809[21:41:14] <BCMM> srged: yeah. it's quite common for something to be muted by default.
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• 1811[21:41:23] <ratrace> srged: I'd look there too, after checking pulse audio volume levels, eg. pavucontrol
• 1812[21:41:48] <BCMM> or for the wrong output to be selected, if you have sevearl
• 1813[21:41:51] <BCMM> several
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• 1816[21:42:46] <istrive> how to force utf-8 over ssh? Already changed the AcceptEnv no in sshd_config but still showing box or ? in some characters from ls and find
• 1817[21:42:58] <srged> ratrace: thx. it worked
• 1818[21:43:42] <istrive> it is working on local terminal but not from remote connection over ssh
• 1819[21:43:44] <ratrace> istrive: you need UTF-8 locale on both ends
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• 1821[21:43:49] <greycat> istrive: use a terminal that actually supports UTF-8. Make sure a .utf8 locale is set on the client. Make sure the corresponding locale exists on the server.
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• 1823[21:44:41] <istrive> the server is verified as fully functional, but when connecting from cmd in Windows side to the server the utf is not working...
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• 1825[21:44:57] <istrive> I will review the Windows side then! thank you for the insight!
• 1826[21:45:17] <ratrace> istrive: what does "verified as fully functional" mean?
• 1827[21:45:20] <istrive> I was under the impression the server configuration should overwrite the client... apparently not!
• 1828[21:45:36] <istrive> it I open terminal in the server itself it works
• 1829[21:45:40] <ratrace> server can be quite functional while your ssh shell is in C locale for example
• 1830[21:45:48] <istrive> from the client connection it doesn't...
• 1831[21:45:59] <ratrace> "it works"?
• 1832[21:46:06] <istrive> it has to be the windows cmd side...
• 1833[21:47:32] <srged> ratrace: yes i had to manually select headphones output in pavucontrol. now it works
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• 1835[21:48:05] <ratrace> srged: that was for istrive :)
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• 1838[21:48:21] <srged> ah ok
• 1839[21:49:48] <greycat> istrive: install putty. use putty.
• 1840[21:50:19] <ratrace> what "windows cmd" would it be if not putty? has windows grown openssh capabilities?
• 1841[21:50:34] <greycat> "from cmd in Windows side" is not likely to support UTF-8, or anything
• 1842[21:50:56] <greycat> ratrace: cmd is the literal name of a Windows command shell (CMD.EXE)
• 1843[21:51:13] <greycat> it is a notoriously poor substitute for a terminal emulator
• 1844[21:51:23] <ratrace> yes I know. and did it grow openssh capabilities?
• 1845[21:51:37] <ratrace> powershell or something like that?
• 1846[21:51:57] <greycat> I'm guessing they installed some sort of command-line ssh client and ran it from a Windows native shell, which ... well. It's not supported here.
• 1847[21:52:13] <sney> it got some major upgrades in a win10 update a year or two ago, and now behaves more like an xterm-alike
• 1848[21:52:38] <ratrace> well that's what I'm asking, what is it. I know there's putty, and I think powershell has something something related to openssh
• 1849[21:53:24] <phogg> MS added a new program called "terminal" which behaves more like a traditional terminal emulator (they changed the way conhost works to accommodate it)
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• 1852[21:55:07] <cws> Windows 10 has had openssh for who knows how long
• 1853[21:56:10] <cws> istrive: If you're using 'cmd,' it does not support full unicode. Use the "Windows Terminal" app or something else that supports it.
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• 1856[21:59:27] <abff> I'd still rather wsl2/debian
• 1857[21:59:51] <abff> but the windows terminal has been available for a couple years now in beta, its aight
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• 1859[22:00:03] <abff> very gnomish
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• 1861[22:00:59] <abff> but I have no idea what I'm doing in powersh
• 1862[22:01:13] <greycat> #debian doesn't either, so that's fine
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• 1865[22:03:00] <abff> Im have noticed that powersh is much more intuitive than cmd, but its on the whole not very comfortable to read or work with
• 1866[22:03:27] <ectospasm> TooMuchCamelCase in PowerShell.
• 1867[22:03:52] <abff> ectospasm: and all the programs written after it follow the convention
• 1868[22:03:53] <ectospasm> SomeMayCallItHungarianNotation
• 1869[22:04:20] <abff> I think its not "camel" because the first letter is also capitalizec
• 1870[22:04:31] <ratrace> hungarian is something else, encoding variable type into name
• 1871[22:04:32] <CommunistWolf> it's title case
• 1872[22:04:48] <abff> CommunistWolf: you would know
• 1873[22:04:57] <CommunistWolf> I'm well informed about all cases
• 1874[22:05:03] <abff> I learned it as Pascal case I think
• 1875[22:05:05] <CommunistWolf> including, of course, kebab-case
• 1876[22:05:21] <ectospasm> Oh, yeah. And pipe interfaces in PowerShell don't work on text, you need binary adapters if the output of cmd1 isn't meant to be piped into cmd2. No thank you!
• 1877[22:05:33] <ratrace> --> #windows
• 1878[22:05:43] <metbsd> wsl2 don't give you network access
• 1879[22:05:49] <metbsd> no bridge network
• 1880[22:06:06] <abff> metbsd: thats just a lie lmao
• 1881[22:06:07] <metbsd> that's why i rather use vmware
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• 1883[22:06:32] <metbsd> i wish that was a lie
• 1884[22:06:46] <cws> im shelled into like five systems right now from wsl, how does it not give you network access?
• 1885[22:06:48] <abff> I did -all- of my work in wsl2 last job I had
• 1886[22:06:57] <metbsd> microsoft won't give you full usable linux solution
• 1887[22:07:12] <greycat> !console abff
• 1888[22:07:20] <greycat> hmm, what was it...
• 1889[22:07:40] <abff> hmm
• 1890[22:07:40] <greycat> !comfort abff
• 1891[22:07:41] <dpkg> There, there, abff. It's OK. I'm here for you.
• 1892[22:07:48] <abff> x)
• 1893[22:07:50] <abff> tyty
• 1894[22:07:53] <metbsd> those wsl2 must be on another network. not local area network
• 1895[22:07:57] <metbsd> check their ips
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• 1897[22:08:57] <metbsd> if you don't realize that, i dont know what kind of "job" you did
• 1898[22:09:01] <abff> it's okay after a few weeks I took over the ubuntu server and slapped proxmox on it so I could do all my work remotely
• 1899[22:09:37] <istrive> exit
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• 1901[22:10:23] <cws> metbsd: and its reconfigurable to bridged networking or port forwarding, so what are you talking about, yet again?
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• 1903[22:11:06] <metbsd> wsl2 doesn't support bridge networking, port forwarding is not a solution
• 1904[22:11:16] <abff> metbsd: oh I get what you mean
• 1905[22:11:18] * cws points at this wsl instance right now bridged to his lan so okay
• 1906[22:11:19] <metbsd> it's not a container
• 1907[22:11:51] <metbsd> your wsl has ip in your LAN?
• 1908[22:11:55] <cws> Yes.
• 1909[22:12:12] <metbsd> how did you configure it
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• 1911[22:12:28] <cws> By changing the host Hyper-V network interface to a bridge.
• 1912[22:12:31] <cws> Same as any Hyper-V VM.
• 1913[22:12:32] <abff> Yeah I feel like I had that too because I never had to fuck with weird windows briding to get an IP in the lan
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• 1915[22:13:02] <abff> or maybe I did and I just don't remember
• 1916[22:13:44] <tete_> hi, i'd like to use some kind of virtual background for zoom/ms teams etc. so i thought i give it a try with replaced-url
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• 1918[22:14:39] <metbsd> cws, keep lying
• 1919[22:14:43] <tete_> oh debian 11 btw
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• 1923[22:15:24] <cws> metbsd: Do you have something valuable to contribute to the conversation, or are you just going to randomly accuse people of lying because they've demonstrated that things are not what you believe them to be?
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• 1926[22:16:13] <ratrace> !tell tete_ about debian-next
• 1927[22:16:16] <abff> I mean to be fair I started that
• 1928[22:16:46] <abff> and I have 0 way to back up my claims
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• 1931[22:16:55] <abff> so now now children, stop bickering
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• 1935[22:18:17] <tete_> ratrace, thanks
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• 1938[22:18:50] <cws> metbsd: I will take your silence to indicate that you have nothing valuable to contribute, and that accusing people of lying is how you avoid having to cope with your inferiority complex.
• 1939[22:19:00] <greycat> according to judd there's a python3.7 in buster but no python3.8 anywhere, so I would imagine you'd be best off using upstream python if you need a special version
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• 1941[22:19:36] <metbsd> i'm trying to figure out how to bridge that hyper-v network
• 1942[22:19:39] <metbsd> cws
• 1943[22:20:47] <ratrace> shouldn't you be asking that in #windows?
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• 1947[22:22:58] <greycat> there's a ##windows on this network, IIRC
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• 1950[22:23:51] <tete_> greycat, its debian 11 and i have python 3.9, i need anything below that ;) but i also asked in #debian-next
• 1951[22:24:12] <greycat> oh, 3.7 will work? then you could install the buster package.
• 1952[22:24:26] <tete_> i guess 3.7 should work, yes
• 1953[22:24:29] <tete_> how can i do that?
• 1954[22:24:30] <greycat> you -guess- ...
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• 1956[22:24:35] <greycat> *sigh*
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• 1958[22:24:45] <tete_> i am 99% sure, i can only be sure if i test it with an install of that package
• 1959[22:24:47] <ratrace> I wonder what's incompatible about 3.9?
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• 1961[22:24:53] <Urk> greycat: I ran ls -l and the path, and this is what I came up with. replaced-url
• 1962[22:24:54] <tete_> its the combination with tensorflow
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• 1964[22:25:02] <tete_> tensorflow is not yet released for python 3.9
• 1965[22:25:18] <tete_> and dependencies that use tensorflow have problems with that tensorflow beta that supports 3.9
• 1966[22:25:27] <ratrace> peachy.
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• 1968[22:25:48] <ratrace> can you containerize/namespace all that? how are you even running zoom and ms teams.... are tehre debian packages?
• 1969[22:26:19] <tete_> ratrace, jop
• 1970[22:26:32] <greycat> there are third-party packages, or you can just use google chrome if all you want to do is join a meeting
• 1971[22:26:34] <tete_> zoom and teams in browser, but teams also have a .deb that works
• 1972[22:26:57] <ratrace> so maybe you can debootstrap a contaienr for either that or the tensorflow app
• 1973[22:27:00] <tete_> replaced-url
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• 1975[22:27:49] <tete_> the problem is not teams/zoom etc. - i want to replace the background, thats the problem
• 1976[22:28:22] <tete_> in debian-next someone told me it should work with python 3.8 and snapshots
• 1977[22:28:26] <tete_> i'll take a look at that
• 1978[22:28:54] <ratrace> what snapshots?
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• 1980[22:29:02] <sney> !snapshot
• 1981[22:29:02] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 1982[22:29:15] <sney> they're on bullseye, python3.8 was in bullseye at one point, it may work
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• 1984[22:29:31] <tete_> oh yes, it was sney that told me in debian-next, thx ;)
• 1985[22:29:49] <ratrace> oh those.
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• 2018[22:53:57] <dob1> the hard freeze was always present even in older releases?
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• 2021[22:54:13] <dob1> *also
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