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153 [02:22:05] <AJDevelopment> hi
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191 [03:10:45] <guojimhuang> Hello AJ~~
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193 [03:13:11] <genr8> anyone have any good ideas for securing debian from the inside out ?
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197 [03:16:03] <oxek> genr8: yeah, don't put your user account into sudo group. If you want root permissions, logout and login to a different account.
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201 [03:17:49] <guojimhuang> Why would putting my account into sudo group be a bad idea?
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203 [03:18:32] <genr8> oxek, thats a good advice
204 [03:19:21] <oxek> guojimhuang: because users having sudo permissions is step 1 of breaking a debian system
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211 [03:29:27] <guojimhuang> oxek: I would look up some wiki pages about that for now, maybe I should not abruptly ask questions before investigating next time.
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247 [03:38:39] <oxek> guojimhuang: this channel is often pretty chill, many people in here don't mind answering basic questions, though searching first is always appreciated
248 [03:40:16] <oxek> basic rule is that without root privileges, it's very hard to break the security of debian
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250 [03:40:59] <oxek> problem is that some exploits and improper configuration can give the user/attacker root privileges, at which point everything is lost
251 [03:41:39] <oxek> (unless you're using that new kernel lockdown option, or are in some virtualized/containerized environment)
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253 [03:42:56] <[O-O]> if ur debian is a web server or something similar, change the ssh port and use key files instead of passwords
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255 [03:43:52] <oxek> using keyfiles being more important than changing default ssh port
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257 [03:44:45] <[O-O]> yes
258 [03:45:32] <[O-O]> u can also use fail2ban like software
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281 [04:10:19] <abff> changing the port is basically pointless
282 [04:14:24] <[O-O]> ye port scanning is fast
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328 [05:21:55] <isapgswell> hi
329 [05:22:26] <isapgswell> how to stop X from listening tcp | local and unix ???
330 [05:22:40] <isapgswell> like -nolisten tcp -nolisten local -nolisten unix
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332 [05:26:09] <isapgswell> i ran: sudo ps lf -C Xorg , and this return do not show nothing about listening or not
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339 [05:32:00] <jamiew0w> does anyone know the optimal compression tool when having to compress thousands upon thousands of files but i don't care about the end-result size of the archive? much more valuable to me in how long it takes to finish.
340 [05:33:52] <themill> isapgswell: -nolisten tcp has been the default for a very long time
341 [05:34:19] <isapgswell> themill i need local and unix too
342 [05:34:25] <isapgswell> themill any idea?
343 [05:34:40] <themill> isapgswell: I suspect that you don't know what they do.
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345 [05:35:02] <isapgswell> themill avoid xserver listening
346 [05:35:13] <themill> s/listening/working/
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348 [05:35:33] <isapgswell> themill unix = working?
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351 [05:38:49] <themill> jamiew0w: There are compressor performance benchmarks out there, but for speed over size and knowing that you can decompress it later, gzip wins for me normally. I'm boring and let people half my age have compressor wars about xz vs lzip. Running it in parallel (either pigz for a single large file or with xargs -P) likely makes more difference to your execution time than anything else, of course.
352 [05:39:53] <jamiew0w> Excellent, thanks so much themill. most benchmarks i've found are more interested in compression ratio or dealing with things like isos etc.
353 [05:40:02] <jamiew0w> Thanks!
354 [05:40:12] <themill> yeah
355 [05:40:25] <themill> or they look more at decompression memory usage etc
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442 [07:48:29] <kristijonas> Hello, I'm just testing dpkg -S / apt-file search, and just wondering why `dpkg -S dpkg -S /usr/bin/rm` finds no matches. Are these most common Unix commands not part of any package and rather comes with the kernel or what?
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451 [07:54:54] <themill> kristijonas: it's /bin/rm
452 [07:54:58] <themill> ,file /bin/rm
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454 [07:55:04] <judd> Search for /bin/rm in buster/amd64: coreutils: bin/rm
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457 [08:02:18] <kristijonas> themill, thanks! I thought it was /usr/bin/rm because that's what `which rm` returned.
458 [08:03:21] <themill> yeah, usrmerge gets confusing like that :(
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460 [08:03:34] <themill> hmm where have all the bots gone
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468 [08:09:15] <kristijonas> themill, what bots? Did I miss something?
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470 [08:11:02] <themill> I was going to ask dpkg to tell you about usrmerge
471 [08:11:12] <themill> [17:56] <dpkg> /usr merge is the combining of /bin and /usr/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin on fresh installs of Debian 10 Buster. On machines upgraded from Stretch, this is optional, and can be accomplished if desired via the usrmerge package, or <replaced-url
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474 [08:14:11] <kristijonas> oh, got it! either way, i'm not sure if my question is for this channel, but I'll give it a try: I've starting learning c++ and most likely will spend some time on other languages like c as well, and then I thought: cool, open source, debian source packages.
475 [08:15:24] <kristijonas> It's still a headache to get how command-line program becomes a GUI, and stuff, but I was wondering if normally you'd see project files in debian source packages
476 [08:16:16] <kristijonas> and by that I mean, can I actually somehow take advantage of debian source packages not to compile them, but simply experiment by editing those on some IDEs.
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479 [08:17:13] <maxrazer> I don't know a lot about working on C++ projects, or Debian packages, but I would think going to to the origin of the project would get you just as good sources files.
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481 [08:18:18] <maxrazer> Maybe you are thinking the source packages would help you build. Hopefully there are build instructions at the project site. But, I'm sure that could be difficult if not.
482 [08:18:44] <maxrazer> Make files and things like that. Cmake, make etc.
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484 [08:20:40] <kristijonas> maxrazer, yea, I am reading on makefiles, gcc compiler as well, like this one: replaced-url
485 [08:21:37] <kristijonas> but my interest is to make sense of how GUI programs are being made, and to experiment in nice graphic way.
486 [08:22:29] <maxrazer> If there is a make file, the command is normally just "make -j5" for example to use 6 cores. Compile time can be long if you don't use all cores. There may also be script file including to run the make command and other things.
487 [08:24:29] <maxrazer> Well, do you know about the existence of the GUI libraries? Because if you research those that should explain it I would think. GTK, QT etc.
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491 [08:29:49] <kristijonas> maxrazer, I heard of those. But probably to my sadness, open source != if developers used some IDE, they will publish the project files so you can easily import the whole project to IDE to make changes.
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536 [09:26:11] <abff> graphic libraries like GTK or qt don't neccessarily require an IDE to work with, and most projects I know of don't require you to use a specific IDE to build their projects either
537 [09:30:07] <abff> and the ones that do are usually recommendations which are specifically for developers working on windows
538 [09:31:12] <abff> at least in my experience, but if their project has other targets most often people rely on make for c and c++ to organize the build
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540 [09:32:25] <kristijonas> abff, right, i get. My goal here was: why learning programming language to take a lot of some simple gui apps, and probably mess around with them in IDE so that for me as a beginner it all makes more sense.
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549 [09:39:17] <abff> well the IDE you chose doesn't matter, so long as it's cohesive with the language you're using (something like eclipse or code:blocks). Personally I found messing with IDEs very confusing when I was learning, and opted to use a simple text editor and command line to build. It helped me understand the intricacies of the individual parts of the tool chain, rather that a mysterious "compile and run" button that left me with little to learn
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552 [09:41:32] <abff> You should be aware that the libraries which make most GUIs are very complex and massive, and might be overwhelming. I recommend familiarizing yourself with the language doing small computational tasks, like euler project, and as you improve incorporate more interactive functionality as you better understand the language
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554 [09:45:38] <ratrace> which IDE tho...
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565 [09:55:06] <kristijonas> abff, that's a good approach.
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567 [09:56:30] <cvele> hi people. is anyone else having a problem with gedit? there's a weird thing going on with gedit on my machines. The thing is, if I create a file (or edit and save) with gedit and later try to open it with gedit I get Segmentation fault. It's random, sometimes it fails to open, sometimes it opens. I tried creating file with other editors and those files open successfully in gedit.
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569 [09:57:24] <kristijonas> ratrace, whatever IDE some open source programs was developed in. My original question was: can I take debian source package of some GUI program and normally be able to import it to IDE to experiment with it / or see a clearer picture of all the components while meanwhile learning the language?
570 [09:57:48] <themill> kristijonas: yes, you can do that
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574 [09:59:35] <ratrace> kristijonas: yes. the reason I asked which IDE is because different users prefer different tools. So even if a project published some IDE save files... who would use it :)
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576 [10:00:29] <ratrace> Pretty much any IDE should be able to import existing sources and do their thing (hilighting, autocomplete, ...) based on your own settings and preferences.
577 [10:00:43] <kristijonas> Let's say: replaced-url
578 [10:01:47] <ratrace> you start your IDE, find a Create new Project option or something like that, and point it at the existing sources directory OR do whatever process your preferred IDE has for importing existing sources
579 [10:01:53] <themill> kristijonas: you're asking "what colour is tuesday" questions
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581 [10:02:34] <ratrace> kristijonas: basically an IDE is just a glorified code editor with all the fancy helper functions.
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583 [10:02:53] <ratrace> %s/code editor/code aware text editor/
584 [10:03:07] <themill> for GUI programs, there is sometimes a graphical editor for the interface too
585 [10:03:14] <happygilmoregent> I know this isn't a ventoy room but couldn't find one but just had a question about the persistence
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587 [10:03:50] <themill> ,i qtcreator
588 [10:03:52] <judd> Package qtcreator (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: integrated development environment (IDE) for Qt. Version: 4.8.2-1; Size: 15554.4k; Installed: 62955k; Homepage: replaced-url
589 [10:03:55] <happygilmoregent> does anyone know where the pesistence is mounted on boot?
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592 [10:04:22] <ratrace> happygilmoregent: the what?
593 [10:05:03] <happygilmoregent> the persistence image if you want to use ventoy and not have to do things and have a rw image
594 [10:05:05] <jelly> happygilmoregent, on Debian live, the persistence layer is not explicitely mounted anywhere, it just serves as an overlay
595 [10:05:22] <happygilmoregent> ok
596 [10:05:47] <happygilmoregent> does the debian live persistence via ventoy have to be a special format?
597 [10:05:58] <happygilmoregent> xfs/ext(X)?
598 [10:06:02] <jelly> I have no idea what ventoy is.
599 [10:06:09] <happygilmoregent> booting program
600 [10:06:17] <jelly> but ext4 works
601 [10:06:20] <happygilmoregent> kind of like multiusbboot
602 [10:06:21] <happygilmoregent> ok
603 [10:06:33] <happygilmoregent> thanks for your help have a great night
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606 [10:07:41] <jelly> well technically replaced-url
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608 [10:07:51] <jelly> !next
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610 [10:08:00] <jelly> dpkgone
611 [10:08:10] <themill> dselect: pal jelly
612 [10:08:11] * dselect points at jelly and laughs uproariously
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616 [10:08:41] <jelly> !ping
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619 [10:09:31] <jelly> it's... not identfied, perhaps
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625 [10:13:12] <themill> the excitement was just too much
626 [10:13:13] <jelly> see you soon, dpkg
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630 [10:15:37] <dpkg> Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill)
631 [10:15:42] <jelly> !ping
632 [10:15:42] <dpkg> Yes, jelly, you are online.
633 [10:15:47] <jelly> no you
634 [10:16:42] * judd takes dpkg off to the vet for a special visit...
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637 [10:18:01] <ratrace> y'all...... y'all?...... the..... the bots........... are getting smarter....
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664 [10:48:57] <shtrb> If I to pass a usb device to virt-manager , does it mean that my kernel + usb_modeswitch should not do anything on that device ?
665 [10:49:38] <shtrb> [*] need to pass a usb modem to wheezy or jelly as it was last working there
666 [10:49:57] <shtrb> *jessie not jelly
667 [10:50:05] <jelly> no such distro: jelly
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669 [10:50:22] <shtrb> I know, I don't know why I had typed jelly instead of jessie
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671 [10:50:34] <jelly> I am always on your mind
672 [10:50:38] <shtrb> lol
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675 [10:51:50] <jelly> maybe we should have bots in here named jessie, stretch, buster etc so that you can complete release names easily
676 [10:52:14] <shtrb> long live potato !
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679 [10:53:45] <ratrace> shtrb: it's not pcipassthru if that's what you're asking. it's virtualized access, so your kernel should still load drivers for it
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681 [10:54:06] <shtrb> thanks ratrace
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740 [11:56:57] <cvele> is anyone else having a problem with gedit? there's a weird thing going on with gedit on my machines. The thing is, if I create a file (or edit and save) with gedit and later try to open it with gedit I get Segmentation fault. It's random, sometimes it fails to open, sometimes it opens. I tried creating file with other editors and those files open successfully in gedit.
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752 [12:05:02] <ratrace> "lol gnome"
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790 [12:30:38] <shtrb> ratrace, maybe cvele uses gedit on a different DE ?
791 [12:30:57] <shtrb> cvele, did you report a bug at bugs.debian.org
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794 [12:31:24] <ratrace> it's still a gnome product :)
795 [12:31:50] <shtrb> at least not a systemd one
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799 [12:36:19] <cvele> shtrb: i use gnome. no i didn't report a bug
800 [12:36:52] <shtrb> Start by installing dbg packages, and file a bug as soon as you can reproduce that way someone could solve it
801 [12:37:51] <shtrb> There are some good people at #gnome that might know better about your segmentation
802 [12:38:18] <cvele> shtrb: ok, thanx
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810 [12:43:38] <soulz> ;2~
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1074 [15:09:47] <shtrb> would jessie support nvme ?
1075 [15:10:26] <shtrb> (reagrding my usb passthrough question before)
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1093 [15:40:24] <jelly> "try it and see"
1094 [15:41:09] <jelly> you also have linux-image-4.9-amd64 in jessie (ELTS) right now, which may or may not help matters
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1145 [16:42:02] <DrBunsen> Hey all, I installed the nouveau driver for my GPU, but I seem to be unable to get it to be set as the renderer. When I run glxinfo it still shows my integrated gpu as the renderer.
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1153 [16:52:57] <netcrash> Hello, I have an LV (lvm volume) in debian that does not have a logical path. Can I fix this?
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1162 [16:58:35] <karlpinc> netcrash: Have you activeated it?
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1164 [16:59:35] <avernos> how can i apply a static network config to an adapter by hardware? on reboot the network name changes and the settings apply to the wrong one
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1166 [17:00:22] <avernos> ie, if i set wlan0 to a config, on boot wlan0 changes to wlanX
1167 [17:00:52] <greycat> Decide what you want the name to be, and set up a systemd.link(5) file to make it assign that name to the interface. Then you can configure the interface by name in /e/n/i or whatever.
1168 [17:01:30] <netcrash> karlpinc: How can I activate it?
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1170 [17:02:34] <karlpinc> I forget. Something along the lines of: vgchange -ay on its volume group. Or maybe lvchange....
1171 [17:02:37] <greycat> Here's an example for an ethernet interface: replaced-url
1172 [17:03:23] <netcrash> karlpinc: thanks will check
1173 [17:03:26] <karlpinc> Is wlan0 even one of those "stable network interface names"?
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1176 [17:04:53] <greycat> I don't know what happens if you try to use "eth0" as the interface name in the .link file. I didn't want to risk it, so I went with lan0.
1177 [17:05:29] <avernos> uhm, nice. ty
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1181 [17:06:59] <petn-randall> DrBunsen: Is this a laptop with dual GPU_
1182 [17:07:03] <petn-randall> ?
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1201 [17:21:45] <EdePopede> is it possible that when one Gtk program is occupied with itself others also have problems reacting? firefox just had to do a bit and for some seconds i didn't have a mouse while hovering hexchat.
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1203 [17:23:03] <greycat> if there's a resource starvation issue, it's not Gtk. it's the I/O bus or memory or something.
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1206 [17:25:04] <EdePopede> yeah, it's a bit lame too sometimes when ffmpeg fixes a broken audio stream as it says.
1207 [17:25:54] <EdePopede> and of course memory. htop says 1.55G/1.96G, nearly the whole bar is green again :/
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1212 [17:33:10] <n4dir> on low specs machines i usually have the web-browser falkon installed additionally to firefox (or only falkon, depends)
1213 [17:33:34] <n4dir> though that one, falkon, comes with grains of salt (?) too.
1214 [17:33:58] <n4dir> in general i just avoid the web, as long possible
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1217 [17:40:31] <ratrace> EdePopede: I see that happening when there's swapstorm
1218 [17:42:26] <EdePopede> as soon as i'm FINALLY done with upgrading (which includes a stack of thing i'll have to do before) i'll check out some alternatives. and maybe i should learn to restart the browser at least 1 or 2 times a day. to get it back to 30% RAM at least for a while.
1219 [17:42:27] <karlpinc> EdePopede: I've never looked at the cause but after a full backup, where the disk buffers are probably full of nothing interesting, I get such delays.
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1221 [17:43:30] <EdePopede> the other machine with 8GB (even with the 4 it had before) runs MUCH smoother than this one, even a live system with some additional packages added.
1222 [17:44:00] <EdePopede> yes, RAM is the key. there's never enough of it.
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1224 [17:48:20] <avernos> how can I have 2 wifi networks active on 2 different devices? one is a AP the other connects to another wifi network
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1226 [17:49:06] <avernos> if i call wpa_supplicant it cannot configure the driver mode
1227 [17:49:16] <avernos> perhaps its locked by the other network_
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1242 [18:03:26] <shtrb> avernos, you pass an interface to wpa_supplicant
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1244 [18:04:34] <avernos> shtrb: i did
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1247 [18:04:44] <avernos> wpa_supplicant -B -D nl80211 -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wlan0.conf
1248 [18:06:11] <avernos> nl80211: deinit ifname=wlan0 disabled_11b_rates=0
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1258 [18:11:16] <dfff> i have set ufw default deny incoming, yet a webserver running on 8080 from a docker container is serving http requests
1259 [18:11:38] <dfff> is there something elementary i am missing here?
1260 [18:11:54] <dfff> i have reloaded ufw several times
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1263 [18:13:13] <avernos> ufw deny 8080 ?
1264 [18:14:24] <dfff> shouldnt default deny incoming have that covered?
1265 [18:14:30] <dfff> on all ports
1266 [18:14:36] <sney> a container would be affected by the forward chain, not input, assuming ufw makes that distinction
1267 [18:14:42] <avernos> perhaps there is another rule somewhere else outside ufw that allows 8080. iptables or something
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1269 [18:15:13] <avernos> sney, why a container is affecte by fowards?
1270 [18:16:04] <dfff> ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 172.18.0.5 tcp dpt:8080
1271 [18:16:20] <dfff> output of iptables -nL | grep 8080
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1273 [18:18:23] <dfff> is that something the docker container created to accept any to 172.18.0.5 (assuming that's its ip)
1274 [18:19:15] <dfff> 172.17.0.1 is the docker0 interface
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1289 [18:35:00] <hansol> can i install debian 10 on DL 580 G7 HP ?
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1296 [18:40:09] <greycat> hansol: it'll probably work. I've got Debian on at least one HP Proliant DL 120 G7
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1307 [18:50:56] <sney> servers are usually a safe bet, worst thing might be bnx2 needing firmware
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1312 [19:00:44] <avernos> if i have 2 network adapters connected to differnt networks. why are they linked by default? traffic from one goes to another
1313 [19:01:09] <avernos> i was expecting this to be declared specifically, but maybe i did something wrong
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1315 [19:03:18] <sney> are they defined as bridge ports in /etc/network/interfaces?
1316 [19:03:29] <avernos> sney: no
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1318 [19:03:39] <sney> I'm also pretty sure docker has netfilter integration of some sort, so it may be managing things for you in a way you don't expect
1319 [19:04:02] <sney> as for your other question, containers are affected by the forward chain because from a networking perspective, they are a different system than the one with the firewll
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1321 [19:04:07] <avernos> they are defined with auto
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1323 [19:05:06] <avernos> with regards to the last question, its nothing about containers.
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1325 [19:06:04] <avernos> I asked before because i was curious if I have a program running maybe i had to use a Forwarding rule as well, like the containers
1326 [19:07:35] <DrBunsen> petn-randall: Sorry for the late reply. No it is just a desktop with a GPU added to it.
1327 [19:07:43] <DrBunsen> My question was: Hey all, I installed the nouveau driver for my GPU, but I seem to be unable to get it to be set as the renderer. When I run glxinfo it still shows my integrated gpu as the renderer.
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1329 [19:07:49] <hansol> greycat thx
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1342 [19:33:43] <aleksei-hash> Hello everybody! I'm in trouble. While starting my PC I'm stuck in the grub menu, I mean I can't naviguate and choose an option. There's also no any timer. Please help!!!
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1348 [19:42:12] <wodencafe> aleksei-hash: You should maybe ask ##linux
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1350 [19:42:33] <ratrace> aleksei-hash: tried another usb port for your keyboard?
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1352 [19:43:16] <aleksei-hash> No, i'm on laptop.
1353 [19:44:22] <aleksei-hash> lol
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1390 [20:09:00] <isapgswell> vesafb.invalid=1 enables nomodeset with 1915 driver
1391 [20:09:05] <isapgswell> i915
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1396 [20:09:24] <isapgswell> edit grub: vesafb.invalid=1 and nomodeset
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1399 [20:09:33] <isapgswell> update-grub and reboot
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1465 [21:00:09] <wallbroken> hello
1466 [21:00:19] <wallbroken> is possible to automatically upgrade from debian 10 to 11?
1467 [21:00:33] <sney> yes but not recommended
1468 [21:00:54] <sney> when 11 releases, the release notes will tell you any steps that need to be taken to make sure the upgrade is smooth
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1471 [21:02:47] <n4dir> not recommended?
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1473 [21:04:30] <sney> yes, upgrades from one debian stable release to the next one should be done intentionally, in case of any issues. it's a big version jump for a lot of major packages.
1474 [21:04:52] <sney> at least, if you're upgrading a bunch of machines, do the first one manually and then fire off the rest with your orchestration tool or whatever
1475 [21:05:06] <n4dir> ah, so the "automatically" being the problematic part.
1476 [21:05:13] <sney> yes
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1516 [21:36:10] <c_nix> hello, is libsane-pixma nonfree? Or it's only in debian experimental?
1517 [21:36:58] <c_nix> I dont see it in repo of testing I have
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1520 [21:39:15] <c_nix> hmm wait moment I have buster it seems
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1523 [21:40:17] <c_nix> ah ok it seems i got it installed, at least i see a manpage for it
1524 [21:40:34] <c_nix> now the question is why my scaner is not working with it
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1526 [21:41:02] <jmcnaught> c_nix: is your scanner listed in the man page?
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1528 [21:42:01] <c_nix> jmcnaught: yea i just found its only in unstable
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1530 [21:42:21] <c_nix> so IMHO problem solced at this moment I have to switch to unstable it seems
1531 [21:42:26] <c_nix> *solved
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1534 [21:42:59] <jmcnaught> c_nix: do you mean that sane-pixma is only on unstable, or support for your particular scanner is only in sane-pixma from unstable?
1535 [21:43:32] <c_nix> this particular scaner model is mentioned on man page of libsane-pixma from unstable version of debian
1536 [21:43:49] <jmcnaught> what is the model?
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1538 [21:44:11] <c_nix> cannon CanoScan LiDE 300
1539 [21:44:45] <c_nix> replaced-url
1540 [21:45:05] <c_nix> 2nd line from bottom of list
1541 [21:45:06] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport libsane
1542 [21:45:20] <judd> Backporting package libsane in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
1543 [21:45:57] <jmcnaught> c_nix: you might be able to backport the libsane package from unstable instead of upgrading, if you prefer to stick with Debian stable
1544 [21:46:00] <jmcnaught> !ssb
1545 [21:46:00] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1546 [21:46:00] <CrystalMath> i just change that compat stuff
1547 [21:46:04] <CrystalMath> when i encounter it
1548 [21:46:21] <CrystalMath> to make it satisfy, and then it builds fine
1549 [21:46:28] <c_nix> im on Buster (dunno if its stable now, havent checked for a while)
1550 [21:46:58] <jmcnaught> c_nix: buster is stable
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1552 [21:47:08] <CrystalMath> i'm on beowulf now :P
1553 [21:47:19] <c_nix> ah ok, I think I installed it when it was testing
1554 [21:47:35] <jmcnaught> c_nix: bullseye/testing has the same version of libsane as unstable, probably a better upgrade than unstable.
1555 [21:47:48] <CrystalMath> but i was a debian user, until a few days ago... and devuan is just a temporary transition phase, i'm going to slackware
1556 [21:48:06] <CrystalMath> then i guess i will leave the channel
1557 [21:48:34] <CrystalMath> so long, everyone
1558 [21:48:35] <c_nix> are you sure? i dont see that model mentioned on manpage
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1561 [21:48:45] <c_nix> is it too old manpage?
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1563 [21:49:14] <c_nix> or you mean go to testing and install backport
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1565 [21:49:32] <jmcnaught> ,v libsane
1566 [21:49:33] <judd> Package: libsane on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.24-8+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1.0.24-8+deb8u3; stretch: 1.0.25-4.1; buster: 1.0.27-3.2; bullseye: 1.0.31-4; sid: 1.0.31-4
1567 [21:49:48] <jmcnaught> > bullseye: 1.0.31-4; sid: 1.0.31-4
1568 [21:50:21] <c_nix> aahm ok so it seems webpage is not updated as it shows
1569 [21:50:21] <c_nix> testing
1570 [21:50:26] <c_nix> 1.0.31-3 earlier
1571 [21:50:33] <c_nix> on webpage
1572 [21:50:41] <c_nix> ok so im updating to testing and will see
1573 [21:50:43] <c_nix> thanks a lot
1574 [21:51:03] <jmcnaught> c_nix: by the way testing support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
1575 [21:51:18] <c_nix> ok, thanks
1576 [21:51:47] <c_nix> it says I have to be invited
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1578 [21:52:20] <jmcnaught> c_nix: on which network?
1579 [21:52:36] <c_nix> ah, sorry right its other network
1580 [21:52:42] <c_nix> i checked here
1581 [21:52:48] <c_nix> my mistake
1582 [21:52:54] <jmcnaught> It's why I mentioned the network before the channel name :)
1583 [21:53:29] <c_nix> yea yea is late night here so i can be litle bit foggy in regard to thinking
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1585 [21:53:53] <c_nix> thanks for all help again
1586 [21:53:55] <jmcnaught> well good luck getting your scanner to work
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1646 [22:54:22] <ov3rmind> nice UGT cool friends, thanks all for great work!
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1676 [23:31:37] <c_nix> moment of truth soon, we eill see if debian testing is going to boot :D
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1680 [23:34:00] <DrBunsen> I updated 3 systems to bullseye, no problems.
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1683 [23:34:55] <sney> I've been using bullseye on my main system since before this time last year. boot problems are unlikely, but some stuff can be hairy depending on your environment
1684 [23:34:59] <c_nix> btw how unstable unstable currently is these days?
1685 [23:35:12] <sney> bullseye is frozen, so unstable is slushy.
1686 [23:35:19] <sney> !slushy
1687 [23:35:20] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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1694 [23:42:15] <c_nix> any edvice on "but not configured yet" error?
1695 [23:42:20] <c_nix> *advuce
1696 [23:42:28] <c_nix> *advice
1697 [23:42:36] <sney> out of context, who knows
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1699 [23:42:50] <c_nix> Package libclutter-imcontext-0.1-bin is not configured yet.
1700 [23:42:52] <sney> maybe apt delaying triggers to the end of the run?
1701 [23:43:15] <c_nix> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ibus-clutter:amd64:
1702 [23:43:15] <dpkg> c_nix: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
1703 [23:43:23] <sney> 'apt -f install' can sometimes clear stuff up, but random libs being partially installed is not a big problem
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1706 [23:44:32] <c_nix> unfortunatly its resistant to that command
1707 [23:44:34] <c_nix> umm
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1710 [23:49:07] <Mister00X> c_nix: you could also try dpkg --configure -a
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1715 [23:52:19] <c_nix> unfortunately it produces error about $PATH
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1718 [23:52:47] <Mister00X> c_nix: sorry sudo dpkg --configure -a
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1720 [23:54:08] <c_nix> yes thats what i tried
1721 [23:54:46] <Mister00X> hmm okay then I'm a bit iritated and clueless
1722 [23:54:51] <c_nix> dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable
1723 [23:54:52] <dpkg> c_nix: I don't know, could you explain it?
1724 [23:54:53] <sney> why don't you pastebin the whole error output so we're not just blindly guessing at the problem
1725 [23:55:12] <c_nix> it seems like time to do it
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1728 [23:57:15] <c_nix> hmm strange indeed sbin is not in path, lets try update it then
1729 [23:57:24] <sney> !buster su
1730 [23:57:25] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
1731 [23:58:32] <c_nix> aaaah
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