30[00:06:47] <jolt> No idea why you wouldn't allow it, but it's possible to override for groups or users with Match foo Subsystem sftp /bin/false like in this example: replaced-url
57[00:10:14] <mentor> cws: I appreciate your existential crisis here
58[00:10:33] <Chop> can you explain how to stop
59[00:10:44] <jolt> Chop: you know they can still use scp right?
60[00:10:51] <Chop> yes
61[00:10:57] <cws> Not until you explain what you think you're actually going to achieve. You aren't going to stop people from doing sftp-like things by stopping sftp.
62[00:10:58] <jolt> Chop: I just did above
63[00:11:26] <cws> Chop: scp still works. I don't think you have any idea what you're doing, to be truthful.
64[00:11:35] <Chop> cws, can you explain how to stop it, or no
66[00:11:55] <cws> Chop: You seem to not understand even basic concepts. You're trying to do something that serves no purpose without any explainable reason. So no, I'm not going to help you.
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81[00:20:22] <H-var> eyes. I remember eyes. Pictures came with eyes. A painter in my dream. Tell me what you see. A tourist in a dream. A visitor it seems. A half forgotten story. Where do I belong? Tell me what you s saw? Tell me what you felt? I know I'm just a clone. Do you know you're too?
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115[00:52:57] <Gramcor> can i use nested placeholders in my .j2 templates? for example {{ email['{{ hostname }}'] }} instead of {{ email['gramcor'] }} , where hostname: gramcor
123[00:58:44] <Randolf> How can I set up Debian to be a Wifi server? When I search Google, all I keep finding is instructions about setting up Debian as a client. Thanks.
138[01:14:13] <Randolf> nolan-___: I want to set up Debian to provide a wireless network that user can login to and get internet traffic routed from. That's step one. Then, after I get a basic configuration working there (so that Debian is behaving like a typical consumer wifi router that people buy in the stores, like a LinkSys home router), I want to work on setting up a custom login web page like some restaurants, shopping malls, and other businesses have set up for their
139[01:14:13] <Randolf> clients to login to.
140[01:14:25] <Randolf> tomman: Yes.
141[01:15:13] <Randolf> I've heard of people doing this sort of thing with a Raspberry Pi. I have some PCs here with wireless NICs that I'd like to experiment with.
142[01:16:08] <Randolf> (These PCs run Debian without any trouble, and have Intel or LinkSys NICs that Debian can recognize and use.)
143[01:16:37] <tomreyn> the second thing you described is called a captive portal
144[01:17:06] <Randolf> Thanks to tomman I just discovered "hostapd."
145[01:17:21] <Randolf> I will research into Captive Portals on Debian then, thanks tomreyn. :)
146[01:18:07] <Randolf> Ah, for Captive Portal setup, this seems to be the proper starting point: replaced-url
204[02:31:03] <Kobaz> having an issue.. getting an email every night from cron: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies' run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1
269[04:05:09] <jmcnaught> hiptobecubic: if you have allow-hotplug interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces then when they become available it triggers a udev rule that starts the ifup@.service template for that interface.
270[04:08:26] <hiptobecubic> that is totally believable... i'll check thanks
294[05:03:03] <charking_> Hello, how do you troubleshoot a graphics problem? Every time I boot I get white garbled screen that cuts on and off for several minutes until I get an X login and then everything works fine. dmesg has messages about GPU lockup and soft resets. I'm using correct drivers (xserver-xorg-video-radeon). I tried with proprietary firmware (firmware-amd-graphics).
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296[05:04:12] <charking_> It's weird that it just works fine after a few minutes of not working and cutting on and off.
314[05:26:59] <jim> hi, anyone aware of a bug in okular, where it works fine until you print something, then the user interface freezes, and it can't quit without being killed?
335[05:48:16] <Henry151> howdy folks. debian 10, i just ran apt upgrade and it hung while upgrading grub-pc. I killed the dpkg process, but now it's saying i need to run dpkg --configure -a, and when i do so, it hangs on "installing grup-pc for i386-pc platform"
336[05:48:49] <Henry151> any guidance? much appreciated in advance
337[05:48:57] <rue_bed> try apt-get remove grub-pc first ?
338[05:49:12] <rue_bed> just dont reboot it in between
339[05:49:31] <rue_bed> even if you do tho, I think its still all in the boot sector
348[05:52:52] <rue_bed> grub was for all the cryers who said they wanted to install windows and linux on the same computer, and they never booted linux anyhow, so it was totally moot
349[05:52:54] <Henry151> one of my earliest memories of a painful linux-related experience involved screwing up grub and losing access to my system entirely... every time i see the word grub i get a little ptsd flashback
365[06:05:18] <graytron> where does debian buster get its resolution for the system console? i have an Aspeed AST2500 graphics adapter with vga output and I can't get the text on system console to fit my monitor. the text is drawn outside of the visible area
377[06:18:36] <Urk> jcmnaught> I would like to explore deleting a kernel for 4.19, and wondering if this is a good idea? I recall you mentioning during the install that I needed a kernel greater than 5.0 in order to install Debian Linux on my laptop.
378[06:19:06] <Urk> mcmnaught: I discovered the other kernel when I booted into recovery mode.
381[06:25:18] <Urk> jmcnaught> jcmnaught> I would like to explore deleting a kernel for 4.19, and wondering if this is a good idea? I recall you mentioning during the install that I needed a kernel greater than 5.0 in order to install Debian Linux on my laptop. Sorry for being redundant. Just realized I typed your name wrong.
382[06:26:15] <jmcnaught> Urk: I would just leave it, it is not hurting anything.
383[06:26:56] <Urk> Am I correct that kernel 4.19 can't be used for this installation because my laptop is too new?
384[06:27:13] <jmcnaught> Urk: one thing I would do though since you installed the kernel from backports manually is "apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64" to make sure it's tracking the kernel from backports for updates.
385[06:27:47] <jmcnaught> Urk: from what I recall only the wifi card did not work under kernel 4.19.
386[06:28:53] <Urk> So you recommend installing linux-image-amd64?
387[06:29:18] <jmcnaught> Urk: I recommend installing the linux-image-amd64 metapackage from buster-backports with that command.
388[06:29:21] <Urk> I misread, youi want "apt-t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64"
390[06:30:26] <Urk> ok. Earlier today I had to fix a problem with xfce. I kept getting an error message indicating I am in kiosk mode. I looked up a solution online, and it involved deleting cache files from two folders. XFCE seems to be working now.
391[06:32:53] <Urk> jmcnaught> I get a message indicating -- E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in sources
392[06:33:11] <Urk> Doesn't look like it is tracking it.
394[06:33:45] <Urk> my mistake. I mistyped the command by one letter.
395[06:34:42] <Urk> This is the result after I corrected the command replaced-url
396[06:35:16] <jmcnaught> That's good
397[06:35:29] <Urk> I have some missing firmware messages at bootup. Am I correct that dmesg should be able to see the messages in a file?
398[06:36:37] <Urk> Is that /var/log?
399[06:37:16] <jmcnaught> Urk: there is a dmesg command you can run as root. You can also look at /var/log/syslog. Or you can run the journalctl command.
400[06:38:25] <jmcnaught> Urk: "journalctl -b | grep -i firmware" should show you all log entries containing the word 'firmware' from the current boot
401[06:40:57] <Urk> Where are the journal messages stored at? I don't see anything in /var/log, but maybe I didn't check far enough.
402[06:42:04] <jmcnaught> Urk: journal files are stored under /var/log/journal/ but they're not text files so you read them with the journalctl command.
403[06:42:51] <Urk> I am in /var/log and don't see anything named journal. Ok, I will try the command you mention.
404[06:43:39] <jmcnaught> Urk: oh yeah, on buster you need to create /var/log/journal if you want a persistent journal, otherwise the journal is kept in memory. See /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
405[06:44:32] <Urk> Any harm with creating a persistent journal?
406[06:44:48] <jmcnaught> No, I like a persistent journal.
408[06:44:59] <Urk> so do I. I like to know what is going on.
409[06:47:40] <MegaCarp> debian 10 xfce (still have gnome installed) with lightDM and arctic greeter (still have gdm installed) - can't seem to get user-specific locale\language selection to get to work - only system-wide by using dpkg-reconfigure locales. i've appended to ~/.bashrc "export LANG=en_US.utf8" but it didn't help. thoughts?
410[06:49:20] <Urk> Something is wrong with my file system. I open up my home folder and there is nothing there -- no desktop, no downloads, no documents, no nothing.
411[06:53:49] <Urk> Well, its getting late. I will continue this tomorrow.
542[09:39:41] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
629[10:53:53] <Waxhead> A quick question about our friend /proc/loadavg , I am on kernel 5.10 (debian testing so apologize if this is slightly off topic) and if I run stress -c 1024 -t 2 on a 8 cpu system I sometimes get a big jolt in the loadavg (1min) and sometimes not. I would not expect this to be as high with only a quick burst of 1024 processes when the rest of the minute the machine is idle. I know it is called load average, but should it not drop about
630[10:53:53] <Waxhead> as quick as it rise with such a minor burst?
632[10:55:01] <ratrace> pasiz: in real world numbers are very very very rarely pure powers of 2, so any algorithm relying on them will be very disappointed
633[10:55:24] <pasiz> ratrace: in binary world, everytime...
642[10:57:30] <ratrace> the core of cryptography is prime numbers so pray tell... explain to me how powers of two fit that paradigm.
643[10:57:58] <ratrace> yes, you bit shift and you divide or multiply BY 2. what about BY 2.34, or BY 3, or BY 7, or BY 5, ......
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645[10:58:16] <ratrace> so you see, relying on power of 2 in operations is very, very rare. and as Waxhead said, you _might_ approximate, but not always.
673[11:07:22] <pasiz> ratrace: so you could find many references to kernel_fpu_begin() in crypto side?
674[11:07:31] <Waxhead> but joling aside , I was expecting loadavg to drop about as quickly as it rise since the number of processes run is ONLY a quick burst. Is it really that "bad" ?
681[11:10:46] <ratrace> that's wrong. the load average does not change with number of cores. it represents the number of "tasks" the kernel is scheduling at any moment, and the loadavg represents the moving average of that
683[11:11:39] <ratrace> the only difference that number of cores make is length of execution of a particular job. scheduled on single core they'll serialize and take longer than scheduled on 8 cores where they'd last, assuming linearity of scheduling, 1/8th of that time
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688[11:13:18] <ml9l> hey i am trying to replace nouveau driver with nvidia through apt install nvidia-drive, it is installed but after restart i get blackscreen, how do you i go about fixing this problem? any hints?
690[11:13:41] <ratrace> pasiz: yes. unpack the kernel.org tarbal, grep for kernel_fpu_begin and you'll see where they are. avx, avx2, mmx, sse, sha*, poly*, morus*, crc, * .....
691[11:13:44] <Waxhead> ml9l: sarch for : blacklist nouveau
696[11:15:14] <ratrace> ml9l: remove the "quiet" from grub's kernel command line and see where it hangs, whether it spits out errors on the console.
697[11:15:33] <ml9l> i restarted and typed startxfce4 (that is another story but this is the only way it is working right now) and i get: (EE) no screens found
698[11:15:44] <ratrace> ml9l: alternatively you'd need to boot into text mode and do some analysis of the kernel ringbuffer, Xorg.0.log, modprobing and friends
699[11:15:50] <ml9l> to my knowledge that is a problem with the Xorg config file, how should i generate it for nvidia?
700[11:16:03] <Waxhead> ml9l: have you tried to mv your xorg conf away ?
701[11:16:09] <ratrace> ml9l: in vast majority of cases you do not need any xorg.conf
702[11:16:16] <Waxhead> ml9l: you usually do not need a xorg.conf anymore
703[11:16:24] <ratrace> (in fact it can only be detrimental to normal operation)
704[11:16:27] <ml9l> so why is there "no screens found"?
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706[11:16:39] <ratrace> but if you really need one, nvidia has xorg-config something something tool
707[11:16:58] <ratrace> nvidia-xconfig methinks
708[11:17:02] <ml9l> oh i checked the log: failed to open drm device for pci
718[11:19:29] <ratrace> so debug step by step. check dmesg, has the module loaded properly, any errors mentioned there. then Xorg.0.log. and check permissions on relevant /dev devices
728[11:26:10] <ml9l> current dmesg output has nothing about nvidia, nothing. So i went a head and created a new Xorg file just to check its side-effects with "X -configure", ran startxfce4 and here is the result of the X log file: replaced-url
729[11:26:44] <ml9l> there is an explicit error saying "failed to open drm device for pci"
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735[11:29:48] <ratrace> ml9l: that looks like nouveau still loading. which package have you actually installed for nvidia? is it actually installed? it's a DKMS package, did it actually run? check find /lib/modules/ -name '*nvidia*'
736[11:30:13] <ratrace> if the module exists, and you have nvidia gpu, it _must_ have a mention in dmesg, even if about failed load. did you grep case insensitive?
737[11:30:20] <ml9l> tesla 450 drivers were suggested, lemme check
738[11:30:33] <ratrace> "suggested" by what or whom?
739[11:30:59] <n4dir> is there a way to make gvfsd not start, or just stop it, if uninstalling it is not an option?
740[11:31:24] <ratrace> n4dir: I think gnome very much hard depends on it
741[11:31:25] <n4dir> applet.py is a similar problem
742[11:31:26] <ml9l> nvidia-detect
743[11:31:38] <n4dir> ratrace: yeah, uninstalling it is not an option, due to dependencies
744[11:31:38] <ratrace> ml9l: which GPU model it actually is?
771[11:43:25] <ratrace> well duh. we said several times you should remove xorg.conf. a) it's not needed, b) it's likely causing issues
772[11:44:07] <ratrace> the only reason to have xorg.conf is to override some settings the driver can't autoconfigure, which is rare, and it's then better done via xorg.conf.d snippets
783[11:52:06] <ml9l> i removed the xorg file and now i am able to login through the console with startx, i have no GUI but there are with very low resolution, i guess the nvidia driver is still not working, current Xorg log: termbin.com/1dz6
813[12:06:30] <ratrace> ml9l: so that's bullseye? you should query for help at
814[12:06:33] <ratrace> !debian-next
815[12:06:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
816[12:06:45] <ratrace> but anyway, try turning secure boot off and see how that goes
882[12:50:44] <tosted> how to controling default sound device output to HDMI ? every reboot changing to headphones? every disconnection of headphone do not go back to HDMI.
912[13:07:23] <EdePopede> the opposite problem here sometimes. never had anything digital, seems there's a digital output on the sound, that's all. right now it's fine, Line Out (plugged in) and Headphones (unplugged). sometimes i unplug the sound system, then it switches to digital. and doesn't return to Line Out. so i have to play the old plug/unplug game, sometimes a few times.
913[13:08:13] <EdePopede> can't say now if it just doesn't recognize the hardware or some software trying to be "smart".
915[13:08:19] <shtrb> we may try via pulseaudio config (/etc/pulseaudio/default.pa) by setting "set-default-sink XXXXX" where XXXXX is the name for your HDMI connection
916[13:09:50] <tosted> i ll try.
917[13:10:10] <EdePopede> shtrb, it's in pulse/ here, did it change for stable?
937[13:23:27] <tosted> "set-default-sink "outputXXXXX" where outputXXXXX is the name( to list the sinks: $ pactl list short sinks) " for your HDMI connection
938[13:23:59] <shtrb> tosted, did it solve your problem ?
959[13:30:36] <EdePopede> connecting everything needed on an analogue synthesizer is far easier than understanding linux sound
960[13:30:58] <tosted> EdePopede: $ pactl list sinks
961[13:31:07] <shtrb> Anyone with joycon peered with debian say if the IR interface is exposed somehow and can share where I should be looking for it ?
976[13:34:04] <dpkg> Vi IMproved (vim) is an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. The vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of version 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. replaced-url
977[13:34:05] <EdePopede> well i have no sound *card* at all anyway
978[13:34:20] <shtrb> EdePopede, pa don't see it or you realy don't have it ?
979[13:34:30] <EdePopede> the only *card* i have is the one for the images. connected to my monitor.
980[13:34:43] <shtrb> a chip on your motherboard can act as a "card"
981[13:34:48] <EdePopede> all the cables come out from some connector on the board
982[13:35:07] <EdePopede> well then they should correctly say sound*chip* and not sound*card*
986[13:36:26] <EdePopede> *shrug* as i said i don't understand this mambo jumbo and never did. some day i bought a PC with "AC97" printed on the carton next to a lot of other cryptic names and i think every machine i had since has had one
988[13:36:52] <EdePopede> unluckily days are over when they delivered complete plans like with radios and TVs in the past
989[13:37:04] <EdePopede> so all a customer gets is some advertising bs
990[13:37:50] <EdePopede> i know 8080 was a cpu made by intel, i know 68k was made by motorola. AC97? no idea. and where it came from and what it can do. something sound. that's all.
992[13:38:28] <EdePopede> i couldn't even show you where it is on my PC's board
993[13:38:46] <EdePopede> or how it is connected to whatever it is connected to
994[13:39:22] <ratrace> ml9l: "tainted" is not a problem, every out of tree kernel module will "taint" the kernel. the problem was signature validation ... so if you booted in legacy mode... you have nvidia working fully now?
996[13:39:57] <EdePopede> and that pulse must be somewhere between player and sound chip. alsa? no idea, i thought i had replaced it years ago with pulse when microsoft decided that it's not worth supporting two different sound systems.
997[13:40:13] <ml9l> ratrace: it is still trying to load nouveau how to avoid that?
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999[13:40:38] <EdePopede> so basically player → pulse → sound card is all i get so far. still may be wrong.
1000[13:40:58] <ratrace> ml9l: nvidia-driver package should've installed a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ , I forgot its name, that basically does blacklist nouveau . chack for that please
1009[13:44:51] <EdePopede> tosted: huh? right now everything is fine, it isn't predictable when it decides to break. but since i had similar issues with my PS2 mouse on my 1st PC i don't really trust consumer hardware quality.
1010[13:44:53] <ml9l> oh damn sorry
1011[13:44:57] <ratrace> ml9l: but I think that last Xorg.0.log you pasted showed that VESA was being used, which would explain low resolution. in that nouveau is blacklisted and nvidia-driver ain't loading due to bad signature
1013[13:46:04] <ml9l> the bad signature shouldnt be relevent because i am in legacy boot mode
1014[13:46:53] <ratrace> ml9l: I think the kernel (in bullseye) enforces signed modules now, regardless of secure boot; the two are related but EFI's not required for signed modules ... AFAIK!
1015[13:47:00] <nifker> why cant ls show me the creation time of a file?
1016[13:47:36] <ratrace> nifker: I think that's added to coreutils in bullseye
1019[13:50:32] <ml9l> ratrace: does the x server load the driver_
1020[13:50:37] <ml9l> or it is loaded before?
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1022[13:51:51] <ratrace> ml9l: xserver loads _xorg_ specific "drivers" which interact with "kernel module" drivers which are loaded by the kernel/udev on boot when the hardware is probed and gpu detected
1023[13:52:11] <ml9l> ok
1024[13:52:13] <ratrace> so the traditional "drivers" here, hardware drivers, are the kernel modules loaded before xorg is even touched
1028[13:52:51] <ml9l> i looked at journalctl -xe: "failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the nvidia device files exist and the user has read write permissions blablabla
1029[13:53:22] <ratrace> yes, there's no /dev devices because the module is not loaded lsmod | grep nvidia shows nothing, amirite?
1030[13:53:27] <tosted> EdePopede: good!
1031[13:53:36] <ml9l> and most recent Xlog file: "matched nv as autocinfigured driver 1"
1093[14:13:38] <ml9l> i mean up to signing modules myself i dont bother
1094[14:14:03] <ml9l> fixing things, but online solutions says i have to pass self-generated keys to the nvidia installer and even the nvidia installer without apt doesnt work
1095[14:14:30] <ml9l> the question is if modules installed through apt can be signed with mokutil after the installation
1096[14:14:36] <ratrace> is that now a new requirement on bullseye for out of tree modules?
1097[14:15:05] <ml9l> Some folks reported it might be the issue behind my nvidia module problem
1098[14:15:25] <ml9l> I am not sure if this is the reason why the module doesnt work, so i gave up :*
1099[14:15:27] <ml9l> :(
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1104[14:16:31] <ratrace> ml9l: point being, bullseye is in soft freeze. if a package ain't working normally by mere act of apt installing it, it's a major bug
1105[14:16:35] <ml9l> i went to ask in #debian-next and got pretty unfriendly answers
1107[14:17:26] <ml9l> ratrace: i got you, but my question still stands: have things failed in my case *because* of an unsigned module?
1108[14:18:15] <ratrace> ml9l: I would say yes, based on your paste that shows that (signature failure) as last entry related to "nvidia" module, and it not loading at all
1109[14:18:28] <ratrace> incompatible ABI or other issues would have specific, different error messages
1110[14:19:33] <ratrace> ml9l: you never confirmed if there's a proper dkms kernel module in /lib/modules/ , or by using modinfo as suggested by someone (but I think that works only for loaded modules? not sure)
1117[14:22:05] <ml9l> all i can say there were no nvidia loaded modules and /lib/modules hadnt any either but if the "kms" arguemtn would have made difference?
1118[14:22:47] <ratrace> ml9l: you were looking for "*nvidia*" names. maybe the .ko are differently named, I dunno. hence that find -type d -name dkms would list all paths inside dkms dir, which is where nvidia would reside
1119[14:23:13] <ratrace> I can't check myself either because I purged nvidia modules and don't have past kernel versions in /lib/modules/ I clean them out
1147[14:38:22] <ml9l> ratrace: nouveau is working and now i see lightdm asking for user/pwd i enter the right credintials but it resets itself. otherwise if i go to a tty and enter startx it works !
1234[15:32:09] <ratrace> last time I did OCR 'twas many years ago. Some professional software on Windows. Still had to go through text and do manual corrections. With paid software. in commercial/professional environment.
1235[15:32:45] <queip> ratrace: yeah but I specially generate this text to be ideal for OCR. if OCR's options to select character set would work as documented
1249[15:45:21] <Kobaz> having an issue.. getting an email every night from cron: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies' run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1
1250[15:48:19] <ml9l> ratrace: have a good day and thank you for the help - really appreciated
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1272[16:15:40] <BenW> Hi! I have a weird issue where CPU frequencies drop under load – temperatures are low, governor is "performance". I'm sure it's just a user error, so I don't think a bugreport is the right thing to do just yet. Can you tell me what to try next?
1273[16:16:00] <BenW> (I have lots of details, but I don't want to flood the channel.)
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1282[16:22:33] <jhutchins> BenW: Does it affect performance?
1283[16:23:40] <avu> BenW: with most modern CPUs, it's normal that the maximum frequency can only be reached if not all cores have work currently, so the frequency goes down as work shifts from one/few to many/all cores. Sure that's not what you're seeing?
1287[16:24:32] <BenW> I don't have a direct comparison, because being unable to try it with a steady 4.3 GHz is the very problem in the first place.
1288[16:24:54] <avu> BenW: what's the exact model?
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1290[16:25:35] <BenW> avu: Intel Core i5 10400 6x 2.90GHz, which claims to run up to 4.3 GHz in "boost mode", which I do see when only 1 or two threads are active.
1291[16:25:54] <BenW> In any case, it shouldn't drop *that* far below 2.9 GHz, even if I misunderstood that completely.
1323[16:32:02] <BenW> jhutchins: Would that also affect the actual CPU frequency? "linux-cpupower frequency-info" shows low frequencies, as well as the cpu-frequency xfce4-panel plugin.
1324[16:33:03] <avu> BenW: yes, if there is no more work to do for your CPU because it's waiting on IO, it might lower its frequency
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1337[16:47:00] <avu> BenW: there might be something you can do about it now that you have a better idea where the bottleneck really is, jhutchins suggested some tools for you to find out
1341[16:51:12] <BenW> I'm not sure how "top" can help me, and atop … hmm, that's a lot of numbers.
1342[16:52:11] <BenW> As expected, it shows 92-98% "user" for each of the 12 cores. How can I distinguish between "actually computing" time and "waiting on memory bus" time?
1363[17:18:35] <shtrb> Anyone with joycon peered with debian can say if the IR interface is exposed somehow and can share where I should be looking for it ? I tried looking under input but I couldn't find anythning new
1565[18:42:05] <shtrb> rue_bed, I just tried xhost + , sudo -u newuser kate and hate kate opened on my screen (the user which run X for me is not newuser)
1694[20:18:13] <koollman> alex11: packages aren't kept, they are extracted and installed. They are temporarily stored in /var/cache/apt/archives. Unless you mean where they are installed, then yes, /usr, /bin, /lib, and others, as defined in the package
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1711[20:32:51] <mi11k1> Does anybody know a better way of managing your Google account other than the web interface? Like is there a way to do multiple edits Etc
1712[20:33:11] <mi11k1> or do i need to spend the next 48 hrs on this?
1721[20:37:36] <SponiX> mi11k1: there is some Gnome desktop stuff that allows you to login to cloud type accounts ( including google ). BUT, I have never used it, so not sure exactly what all it is capable of
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1773[21:46:35] <Gramcor> does /var/mail autoclean periodically? like logrotate?
1774[21:46:39] <Gramcor> or i have to set it up
1775[21:49:47] <Kobaz> it shouldn't
1776[21:50:03] <Kobaz> mail is one of those things there's no possible way to set a default cleanup that everyone would like
1777[21:50:38] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: what are you storing in var/mail? standard sendmail 'user mails'? If yes, it will not rotate automatically.
1778[21:51:21] <Gramcor> cybercrypto, i have setup postfix to send mails to root user and also forward to gmail etc
1779[21:51:39] <Gramcor> would like a mechanism to compress rotate and delete mails in /var/mail/root
1780[21:51:42] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: you can setup filesystem quota to avoid 'filling up'. There are many ways to achieve that. You should define exactly what are you trying to achieve.
1797[21:55:35] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: I use former pine and mailx to read mails.
1798[21:55:47] <Gramcor> i have installed postfix and mailutils
1799[21:56:10] <Gramcor> by the way how can i read root mails with mailutils? i did "less /var/mail/root"
1800[21:56:10] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: if you want 'rotating contents of the mail file' older than 90 days... than you need to parse it.
1801[21:56:41] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: if you copy your mail file everyday, into another place... you will know that is '1 day of your mail'.
1802[21:57:36] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: than you can remove older than 90. it is the easiest... otherwise you will need to parse it... or try the solutions you are investigating
1803[21:58:18] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: type mailx (it is BSD originals)
1804[21:58:35] <Gramcor> i have gnu-mailutils
1805[21:58:41] <Gramcor> probably the mail command?
1811[22:00:10] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: have you tried mailx command? install and test. once you read using mailx (or any other cli tool) it will automatically remove the mail from /var/mail and place into your ENV (like home)
1812[22:00:21] <cybercrypto> Gramcor: yes
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1819[22:01:52] <Urk> Any idea on how to filter errors with the word "firmware" at bootup from a persistent journal log that I created? I ran jounralctl -b -1, and got an error Data from the specified boot (-1) is not available: No such boot ID in journal
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1821[22:03:02] <Urk> I then ran just journalctl, but get a very long list, and wondering if I can use the grep command to filter errors with to a file? I'm looking for startup errors that say firmware. I'm on Debian Buster, and created a persistent journal log.
1825[22:06:38] <Urk> cybercrypto> Yesterday I heard from JMC that Buster stores logs in memory so I elected to create a persistent log feeling it would be easier to find what I am looking for. I was told the /var/log is where the persistent logs would be, and that I could find startup errors in that.
1827[22:07:54] <cybercrypto> Urk: what debian version are you using?
1828[22:08:16] <Urk> What is the difference between journalctl -b -1 and journalctl -b 1
1829[22:08:53] <cybercrypto> Urk: to persist journald logs, i recommend using the recommended docs: set to Storage:persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
1830[22:09:09] <Urk> cybercrypto> Debian Stable 10.8.9 (Buster). However, Buster isn't officially ready for the Dell XPS 15 7590 so I got a bit of help installing firmware to get it up and running. Getting rid of the firware errors at bootup is two remaining issues that have to be fixed.
1831[22:09:17] <cybercrypto> Urk: only after that, journald will persist logs across boots.
1832[22:09:41] <cybercrypto> Urk: I am afraid you can only see -b 0 (which is current boot, not past ones)
1833[22:11:02] <cybercrypto> Urk: double check that config (journald.conf) Check journald.conf manual and you will find lots of features and parameters that may help you
1874[22:40:43] <oxek> isn't nano installed by default on debian?
1875[22:40:48] <mi11k1> yepp
1876[22:40:52] <mi11k1> same as vi i think
1877[22:41:11] <oxek> nano is probably easier to figure out for newcomers than vi(m)
1878[22:41:25] <mi11k1> yepp, thats why i dont klnowhow to use vi
1879[22:41:28] <EdePopede> though shalt have no other editor but ed for it is the only real one.
1880[22:41:37] <mi11k1> i wish i would have no formed the habit
1881[22:41:48] <mi11k1> vi seems to be more efficient
1882[22:41:57] <mi11k1> i cant say why, i just know it
1883[22:42:01] <jhutchins> The nice thing about knowing vi is that you will nearly never find a system that doesn't have it, including systems that are partly broken.
1884[22:42:06] <oxek> whenever I open up nano for some reason, I end up with a whole lot of jjjjjjjjkkkkkjh
1887[22:42:44] <mi11k1> oxek, my mouse caused that
1888[22:42:47] <mi11k1> or ir
1889[22:42:54] <mi11k1> or broken keboard
1890[22:43:41] <mi11k1> oxek, what termoinal? i use terminator
1891[22:44:03] <cybercrypto> EdePopede: I agree. the one and only ed. period.
1892[22:44:05] <mi11k1> actually does anybody know why sometimes the text disappears in this term?
1893[22:44:29] <mi11k1> usually after ss session into somewhere
1894[22:44:30] <oxek> it's a bit of a joke, I'm so used to navigating in vim, where you press 'j' and 'k' to move line down & up, that when nano is opened I instinctively press those keys but they are instead written into the file
1895[22:44:41] <mi11k1> lo;l
1896[22:44:46] <mi11k1> omg
1897[22:45:14] <mi11k1> kinda like how i do ctrl alt dlt in vm and reboot thre host
1898[22:45:38] <oxek> a basic knowledge on how to operate vim is probably a good test of something
1912[22:49:31] <mi11k1> when i have systemd issues its usually cause im not booted systemd
1913[22:49:35] <mi11k1> golly
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1915[22:49:44] <Urk> millk1: Trying to get rid of some error messages at bootup. There are other problems that have to be fixed as well, but I'm trying to do one at a time. Other problems include folder series missing from the user: no home, no downloads, no pictures, no documents, etc, etc.
1916[22:50:30] <oxek> that doesn't sound like systemd
1917[22:50:31] <mi11k1> Urk, haha, live with it. some errors are more warnings
1918[22:50:49] <mi11k1> if it hangs on boot, i then worry
1919[22:51:16] <mi11k1> usuallt google will get u straighjt to the answer with a copy paste
1920[22:51:45] <Urk> millk1> There are other performance issues such as XFCE displaying over below the bottom panel, etc. So I don't want to second guess the error is something that has to be addressed.
1923[22:51:57] <judd> Package xdg-user-dirs (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: tool to manage well known user directories. Version: 0.17-2; Size: 52.5k; Installed: 375k; Homepage: replaced-url
1924[22:52:03] <oxek> that's one package you might need
1926[22:52:39] <mi11k1> oxek, i thought it was headless
1927[22:52:46] <mi11k1> what desktop u use?
1928[22:52:54] <oxek> xfce
1929[22:53:02] <oxek> but xdg-user-dirs work on headless systems too
1930[22:53:07] <mi11k1> wanna know a trick?
1931[22:53:09] <oxek> it just sets up the known dirs
1932[22:53:13] <mi11k1> download MX
1933[22:53:39] <oxek> MX?
1934[22:53:45] <mi11k1> its a modified debian
1935[22:53:57] <mi11k1> i use it on anything that has a monitor
1936[22:54:20] <oxek> !mxlinux
1937[22:54:21] <dpkg> MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: replaced-url
1938[22:54:27] <oxek> I wanna stay in this channel though :)
1973[22:58:56] <oxek> not sure why you're singling me out
1974[22:59:07] <nickgaw> Hi, Is it possible to have a setup where you can run Debian both natively on a dual boot system and from with in a virtual machine so you can just switch between setups?
1982[23:00:37] <nickgaw> yes but I want to be able to run the same system from both natively and in a virtual machine on windows not reinstalling it into a virtual machine is that possible?
1983[23:01:02] <mi11k1> nickgaw, make an image of the debian system?
1984[23:01:04] <oxek> nickgaw: that's the thing, you don't reinstall it, you just create a new virtual machine, and point the storage to the actual partition
1985[23:01:12] <mi11k1> like make a backup and restore it to a vm
1986[23:01:28] <mi11k1> or sumthin like that
1987[23:01:52] <nickgaw> Is doing this safe where I just use the existing partition?
1988[23:02:00] <oxek> nickgaw: I can either boot debian directly on raw hardware, or boot the other OS on that disk and then run that same debian installation in qemu/virtualbox/vmware
2000[23:03:48] <oxek> mi11k1: I get the feeling you're trolling a bit, aren't you
2001[23:03:51] <HelloShitty> Hello. I have qemu buster version which is 3.1 but I would like to try the version from debian-backports. Can I just install it or is it better to remove the oler version first? I'm on Debia Buster, btw
2002[23:03:54] <Rer> hallo need help
2003[23:04:16] <oxek> HelloShitty: you can just install it
2005[23:04:26] <jmcnaught> HelloShitty: when you install the newer package from buster-backports it will upgrade the existing package, you don't need to remove anything.
2006[23:04:41] <Urk> jmcnaught> Get a message indicating that firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version.
2007[23:04:42] <nickgaw> So if I pointed my Debian installation using a virtualization system in windows 10 pro 64 bits on this dual boot system I could then run Debian natively or from with in windows in a virtual machine could I install the guest tools so when running virtually do file sharing between the guest and the host?
2008[23:04:52] <mi11k1> oxek, no, still recovering from drone in house issues.
2009[23:05:00] <Urk> I will check the backports, but it looks like it isn't in there -- even though it is a required driver.
2010[23:05:08] <jmcnaught> Urk: what does "apt policy firmware-misc-nonfree" say?
2030[23:08:32] <mi11k1> it will install backports version
2031[23:08:36] <jmcnaught> HelloShitty: yes if you "apt -t buster-backports install foobar" and foobar is already installed it gets upgraded to the buster-backports version.
2032[23:08:45] <HelloShitty> ok, thank you
2033[23:09:20] <fireba11> hi, my first partition still started at sector 63. that caused issues with the latest grub update. i deleted the raid partition, recreated and and now grub2 is fine. however the new partition is listed as md127 in mdadm, and renaming (and updateing initramfs) doesn't help. any ideas? for now i edited my fstab but ...
2034[23:09:35] <Urk> jmcnaught: My sources.list appears to have backports already replaced-url
2036[23:10:36] <jmcnaught> Urk: you are missing contrib and non-free for the buster-backports lines 16-17
2037[23:11:03] <oxek> Urk: it does have backports, yes. I'd like to point out that you're using 'stable' keyword isntead of 'buster', is that intentional?
2039[23:12:09] <jmcnaught> Urk: oxek is right, using 'stable' instead of the release codeword 'buster' could lead to a surprise upgrade when bullseye gets released as stable. Recommended to use 'buster' in sources.list, not 'stable'.
2040[23:12:50] <oxek> plus the combination of 'stable' and 'buster-backports' strikes me as possibly problematic too, when 'stable' starts pointing to bullseye
2043[23:13:24] <jmcnaught> Urk: your /etc/apt/sources.list file should look like the second example, with the additional two lines for backports: replaced-url
2049[23:14:40] <jmcnaught> Rer: to get any help you will probably need to show more information, such as the complete output of "systemctl status dovecot" and "journalctl -b -u dovecot" (in a paste on replaced-url
2050[23:14:40] <Rer> [cant start dovecot
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2059[23:16:30] <jmcnaught> Rer: this error is truncated but you should look into it: doveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-plesk-sieve.conf line 30: Unknown setting: ma
2060[23:16:49] <Rer> what must i do ?
2061[23:17:10] <jmcnaught> Rer: correct the error in that file, which does not look to be part of a standard Debian installation.
2062[23:18:53] <Rer> roundcube imap ereror
2063[23:19:11] <Urk> ok I am going to reboot.
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