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0[00:00:08] <ryouma> i am using the grml-rescueboot package. is this supposed to download the latest grml, or must i do that manually? my grml.*.iso is many years old in oldstable, so i downloaded manully, but the signature is expired: replaced-url
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3[00:01:23] <Unit193> I think we use that package entirely differently. I pop an ISO into /boot/grml/ then update grub, I've never actually used it with grml itself.
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7[00:04:38] <alex11> what do i need to do to install the backported nvidia driver, anything special?
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9[00:04:54] <alex11> i know the syntax i just wonder if i need headers or something
10[00:05:17] <genr8_> ryouma, try against the latest copy of his signing key replaced-url
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12[00:07:33] <genr8_> this page also talks about the repo signing keyring stuff replaced-url
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14[00:08:57] <ryouma> thanks for some reason i missed that. do i do gpg --import on the .txt file?
15[00:09:29] <ryouma> Unit193: idk, i probably did the same, dling then putting it in that dir, if the package does not dl. dunno why that would bre different between youa n me.
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19[00:11:08] <genr8_> yes i think so
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21[00:11:27] <ryouma> thanks
22[00:11:28] <ryouma> i don't understand teh package repo page you linked
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24[00:12:14] <genr8_> it wants you to integrate it into debian, instead of downloading manually
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27[00:13:17] <ryouma> ok thanks, i think i will skip that for now as it would add more complexity than i can deal with atm. i got rid of my apt preferences file to reduce complexity :/.
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29[00:13:45] <ryouma> well the expired sig worked great, with no gpg warning. but with the newly downloaded sig i get "gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner."
30[00:14:17] <ryouma> so this means i need more ... signers in my .gnupg? can i leverage debian maintainers keyring or some such thing to get enough to make this verification work?
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33[00:15:23] <genr8_> thats the correct line of thinking but the warning could also be ignored as long as you're sure you trust his key
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35[00:15:34] <ryouma> specifically replaced-url
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37[00:16:11] <genr8_> link is blank
38[00:16:34] <leonardus> NetworkManager is working except it doesn't automatically connect on boot, I have to manually type `nmcli con up <ssid>` every time. But in nmtui, the option to automatically connect is checked.
39[00:16:56] <ryouma> genr8_: replaced-url
40[00:17:52] <genr8_> i would just sign it / trust it with myself.
41[00:18:16] <genr8_> do your own side verification. I found this replaced-url
42[00:18:34] <ryouma> well, i don't know if the key is trustable. i'd hope i can importa few keys that have a chain of trust.
43[00:18:53] <ryouma> the last one of which will sign that one
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45[00:19:21] <realtime-neil> How do I prevent a given package's preinst maintainer script from running?
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49[00:20:48] <ryouma> not sure what i would do with that mika thing, don't want to dl a program to do a second verification, as that's a bit reciusive sounding. perhaps i misunderstand (highly likely().
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52[00:22:06] <genr8_> yes you misunderstood. unfortunately his "mika" account on keybase is gone... but based on the 7 year github otherwise it looks to be him
53[00:22:28] <genr8_> the trust does not need to be automatic, as long as you can conduct your audit yourself on google manually
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55[00:23:14] <genr8_> i dont do much key-signing-sharing so Idk how to go about finding others
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57[00:25:13] <genr8_> gpg: key 96A87872B7EA3737: 289 signatures not checked due to missing keys
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59[00:25:32] <genr8_> does that mean theres 289 people who signed his ? and we need to go find them ?
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61[00:27:11] <genr8_> i'm missing a lot of knowledge on this.
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65[00:34:16] <ryouma> my knowlegge is even slimmer. but i have sigs in my .gnupg that i trust, although some are expired. these include e.g. peter palfrader and steve mcintyre and some who are in debian's downloaded db of sigs. i figure if THAT list of sigs is compromised then the whole sytem is vulnerable. so i trust it. so for the OLD grml signing key, my verification worked perfectly. except, it is an expired key. so i figure my
66[00:34:16] <ryouma> task is to get some of those sigs yeah. and ones that sign them?
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68[00:36:08] <ryouma> but idk what to do to do that. i tried some kind of key signing path thing on the web but the site was down or something. then i tried wotsap and set it up and it says it can't find palfrader or mcintyre keys which... is a bit disturbing as those are super common signing keys.
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70[00:37:13] <ryouma> i wish this part could be automated. like "ok, you have keys you trust in your .gnupg. and you have debian's thing. so, populate your .gnupg with some keys to create a path from the stuff in your .gnupg now, to the sig you care about being signed."
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146[01:30:42] <mrjpaxton[m]> Well, turns out sometimes I get disconnects with the backported kernel and `firmware-realtek` with rtw_8822be on Debian. I get messages that say "failed to restore hardware setting". But then after 5 minutes, the Wi-Fi works again... Hmm... kind of annoying.
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148[01:31:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> I also tried to set it up with systemd `networkd`, `resolved`, and `wpa-supplicant`. So I'm not using Debian's `interfaces` or Network Manager.
149[01:32:02] <mrjpaxton[m]> Anybody else have Realtek woes? Lol.
150[01:33:00] <mrjpaxton[m]> My issue is the Wi-Fi is, like, built in to the motherboard, so I want to use it, and not have to plug in one of my PCI-E Wi-Fi cards, but not at the cost of shoddy Internet connection. Seriously, FU Realtek.
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153[01:34:24] <oxek> mrjpaxton[m]: avoid realtek hardware, done. It's not suitable for linux.
154[01:35:14] <oxek> I really don't like this expectation that people have, that linux will simply work on any hardware they try it on. It just means that people don't consider linux compatibility when buying hardware.
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158[01:38:29] <mrjpaxton[m]> Well, this was the cheapest, refurbished eATX motherboard I could get my hands on, which had enough SATA ports (8-ports) for what I wanted to use it for in a Linux/gaming PC setup. So yeah.... It just happened to have that Wi-Fi chip on it. as an added "bonus", you know. :p
159[01:38:52] <Arrowmaster> and its soldered on the board and not an mpci card?
160[01:39:23] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hmmmm... Yes, I think so.
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163[01:40:55] <mrjpaxton[m]> Actually, the chip is most likely underneath one of those casings. It's a ROG motherboard, so it has all those plastic stuff all over it.
164[01:41:10] <mrjpaxton[m]> I'm gonna guess probably soldered on.
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166[01:42:02] <mrjpaxton[m]> The Ethernet is actually Intel though, so that's good.
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171[01:44:57] <chocolate> After create a user with useradd -m guest. Can I login with guest and use su to get superuser?
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176[01:46:24] <chocolate> Whats the -m option for?
177[01:46:39] <cws> `man useradd` will detail all of the available options for useradd.
178[01:46:47] <mrjpaxton[m]> I suppose so, as long as you know the root password. Also, you do know the differences between `useradd` and `adduser`? The latter one is much easier to use.
179[01:47:09] <mrjpaxton[m]> And `adduser` will also set up home directories, if you need that.
180[01:47:27] <mrjpaxton[m]> See here - replaced-url
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322[03:43:06] <AskerX> Hello and much love and respect everyone.
323[03:43:29] <dvs> Uh oh, this must be a big problem
324[03:43:43] <AskerX> I have a question about opensnitch replaced-url
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337[03:55:21] <milkt> !ask
338[03:55:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
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340[03:55:54] <AskerX> milkt thank you.
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347[03:58:05] <AskerX> at the bottom of the page replaced-url
348[03:58:05] <AskerX> Specially slub_debug=FZP, is it really necessary to remove those hardening features to get the application firewall to work on newst version of Debian?
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352[03:58:49] <AskerX> or only on some specific kernels that is necessary?
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356[04:00:30] <AskerX> I would also really want a good and complete application firewall like "replaced-url
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411[05:28:39] <swk> cncjs
412[05:29:08] <swk> oops wrong window
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426[06:12:59] <CANFULLY> hey, why might debian buster be hanging on loadup after fresh install with desktop environment and Gnome
427[06:13:10] <CANFULLY> when i just install system utilities, it works fine
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436[06:28:54] <milkt> CANFULLY: can you provide more detail?
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441[06:34:27] <CANFULLY> milkt unfortunately no. i don't get an error, screen is black with a underscore hanging
442[06:35:59] <jmcnaught> CANFULLY: what kind of GPU do you have? Maybe it needs a non-free firmware to work properly. Are you able to switch to other another tty?
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445[06:37:10] <CANFULLY> 2070 S
446[06:37:20] <CANFULLY> no
447[06:37:29] <CANFULLY> jmcnaught
448[06:37:51] <jmcnaught> CANFULLY: Ctrl+Alt+F5 doesn't work?
449[06:38:14] <milkt> CANFULLY: do you see anything on dmesg or X log etc?
450[06:38:26] <CANFULLY> i don't know what that is
451[06:40:27] <CANFULLY> it basically freezes when i install gnome or xfce
452[06:40:37] <milkt> CANFULLY: there is "dmesg" command which give you kernel log
453[06:41:24] <milkt> also there will be xorg log at ~/.local/share/xorg/ or something similar
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456[06:45:35] <milkt> also as jmcnaught said, providing information about what hardware are you using can be helpful, try "lspci -vvnn"
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458[06:46:28] <CANFULLY> i'm not on debian... it won't load up
459[06:46:41] <milkt> what do you mean?
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461[06:47:21] <CANFULLY> i'm on ubuntu. when i install debian... it freezes everytime i install desktop environment feature
462[06:47:31] <CANFULLY> after it installs that is
463[06:47:57] <milkt> what do you mean with "freeze"?
464[06:48:29] <CANFULLY> when i turn on the computer.... a black screen with an underscore appears after i press enter [ Debian/Gnu Linux ]
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466[06:48:46] <jmcnaught> CANFULLY: with an NVIDIA 2070 Super you probably need at least the firmware-misc-nonfree package and possibly nvidia-driver from buster-backports. If you still have Debian installed you can try booting to multi-user.target for a text-mode login to install these things.
467[06:48:47] <milkt> what GPU are you using?
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469[06:49:15] <CANFULLY> 2070s
470[06:49:27] <CANFULLY> this isn't installed automagically
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472[06:49:42] <milkt> maybe you can try installer including nonfree firmware
473[06:49:55] <CANFULLY> how does one do that?
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475[06:50:16] <jmcnaught> firmware-misc-nonfree might be installed automatically if you use the unofficial non-free firmware ISO to install, but the proprietary NVIDIA drivers are definitely not automatically installed.
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477[06:50:52] <jmcnaught> CANFULLY: is Debian installed currently?
478[06:51:20] <milkt> CANFULLY: replaced-url
479[06:52:39] <CANFULLY> so what two files do i need to install
480[06:53:27] <milkt> are you on debian now?
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482[06:53:51] <jmcnaught> CANFULLY: if you need to reinstall Debian then use one of the ISO images at the link from mílkt above. If you already have Debian installed and can boot to a command line, follow the instructions on this wiki page: replaced-url
483[06:55:35] <CANFULLY> no
484[06:56:10] <CANFULLY> i just dled the dvd
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543[08:26:02] <JPSman> so, #ubuntu seems dead. Ever since I installed KDE alongside gnome-flashback, my menu text has been unreadable. here is an example replaced-url
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545[08:26:34] <JPSman> the selectable text is the difficult one, the unselectable is the darker one :/
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547[08:29:34] <craigevil> try asking in ##linux
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587[09:07:03] <CANFULLY> Hey debian isnt loading after i installed gnome
588[09:07:58] <CANFULLY> what are the nvidia and proprietary firmware package names. I have 2070s
589[09:08:44] <milkt> CANFULLY: try installing firmware-misc-nonfree
590[09:08:53] <milkt> it is in nonfree repisotiry
591[09:09:13] <milkt> also possibly "nvidia-driver" from buster-backports, as jmcnaught mentioned
592[09:09:51] <milkt> also check log maybe
593[09:10:38] <CANFULLY> Its not dling from mirror w/ apt install
594[09:11:01] <milkt> can you provide more detail
595[09:11:07] <CANFULLY> telling me to insert dvd...
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597[09:11:49] <milkt> what is content of your /etc/apt/sources.list
598[09:11:50] <milkt> ?
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600[09:13:03] <milkt> dpkg: tell CANFULLY about sources.list
601[09:13:23] <milkt> dpkg: tell CANFULLY about non-free sources
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603[09:14:31] <CANFULLY> I dont think its connected to internet
604[09:16:13] <TheBigK02> ip link says what?
605[09:16:54] <CANFULLY> deb replaced-url
606[09:17:18] <TheBigK02> can u ping google.com for example ?
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609[09:18:20] <CANFULLY> Says name or service not known
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611[09:20:07] <CANFULLY> hello
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613[09:20:23] <milkt> hello
614[09:20:25] <CANFULLY> also im in recovery root mode
615[09:20:35] <CANFULLY> lol
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617[09:21:30] <CANFULLY> Why isnt mirror working
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620[09:21:55] <CANFULLY> Is it because recovery mode
621[09:22:38] <milkt> do you mean rescue mode?
622[09:23:14] <TheBigK02> just because gnome is not starting u dont need to boot to rescue mode
623[09:23:28] <TheBigK02> strg+alt+f2 should give u a login screen then
624[09:24:03] <CANFULLY> Strg?
625[09:24:08] <TheBigK02> ctrl, srry
626[09:24:10] <TheBigK02> im german ;D
627[09:24:22] <milkt> CANFULLY: try ctrl+alt+f1, ctrl+alt+f2 ... f6 and see if you can access virtual console
628[09:24:49] <CANFULLY> I cant
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631[09:25:53] <TheBigK02> do u have a network link with ip link ?
632[09:26:27] <TheBigK02> there should be something like enp[0-9]s0 state UP
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638[09:28:52] <CANFULLY> hold on
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642[09:36:23] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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644[09:37:19] <CANFULLY> Thebigk02
645[09:37:54] <milkt> CANFULLY: what do "ip link" say?
646[09:37:54] <CANFULLY> how do i get apt connecting to a mirror isntead of dvd
647[09:37:56] <TheBigK02> ip link
648[09:38:08] <TheBigK02> thats the command
649[09:38:14] <milkt> CANFULLY: modify /etc/apt/sources.list
650[09:38:21] <TheBigK02> milkt: he has no internet
651[09:38:56] <TheBigK02> adjustign sources.list wont help him right now :)
652[09:39:07] <milkt> do they not have internet?
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655[09:39:40] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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657[09:40:09] <CANFULLY> thats what ip link outputs
658[09:40:31] <milkt> i think they have internet connection
659[09:40:43] <milkt> !sources.list
660[09:40:43] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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662[09:41:08] <TheBigK02> okay now do dhclient enp0s20f0u10
663[09:41:11] <TheBigK02> and after try ping
664[09:41:14] <TheBigK02> see if that helps
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668[09:43:30] <CANFULLY> It pings google
669[09:43:44] <TheBigK02> okay. now do what milkt said
670[09:43:51] <TheBigK02> put a proper sources.list in
671[09:44:16] <milkt> then enable nonfree
672[09:44:16] <TheBigK02> if u wanna copy paste u might wanna install an openssh-server: apt install openssh-server
673[09:44:18] <CANFULLY> but debian is still asking for dvd when i try to install packages
674[09:44:38] <TheBigK02> thats why u should adjust the sources.list
675[09:44:38] <milkt> did you modify /etc/apt/sources.list
676[09:44:45] <milkt> if you did, run "apt update"
677[09:44:48] <CANFULLY> Ok
678[09:44:54] <CANFULLY> hold on
679[09:45:09] <TheBigK02> CANFULLY: ur almost there :p
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681[09:48:31] <milkt> you also need to enbale nonfree repository to install firmware-misc-nonfree
682[09:49:19] <milkt> !non-free sources
683[09:49:19] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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685[09:52:41] <CANFULLY> ok so what do i have to install to make gnome work
686[09:53:10] <TheBigK02> hard to say... but did u install firmware-misc-nonfree ?
687[09:53:11] <milkt> did you add non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
688[09:53:37] <milkt> run "apt update" then "apt install firmware-misc-nonfree" then reboot and see if it work
689[09:53:57] <CANFULLY> i installed firmware-misc-nonfree and nvidia-drivers
690[09:55:56] <TheBigK02> is there a service called sddm ? im not sure which display manager gnome uses... still gdm ?
691[09:56:06] <TheBigK02> service sddm status
692[09:56:14] <TheBigK02> or service gdm status? im not sure... no gnome user
693[09:56:31] <TheBigK02> modprobe nvidia would be a good start as well
694[09:56:49] <craigevil> !nvidia
695[09:56:49] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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697[10:02:22] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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702[10:03:19] <CANFULLY> Hey
703[10:03:42] <CANFULLY> did anyone look at that. It hangs there
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705[10:04:46] <TheBigK02> if u do ctrl+alt+f2 ... u should be able to login
706[10:05:03] <jelly> CANFULLY, are you trying to use nvidia drivers? Is nouveau blacklisted?
707[10:05:12] <TheBigK02> after then a good start is always to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
708[10:05:17] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
709[10:05:17] <dpkg> To install the proprietary nvidia graphics driver, ask me about <non-free sources> and then 'apt install nvidia-driver linux-headers-amd64'. Check in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms to make sure the modules are present, and reboot. For legacy GPUs, replace 'nvidia-driver' with 'nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver', or stick with <nouveau>.
710[10:05:33] <jelly> have you done all that?
711[10:05:46] <CANFULLY> idk if nouveau is blacklisted
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713[10:06:16] <CANFULLY> i just installed nvidia-drivers in an attempt to fix problem
714[10:06:44] <CANFULLY> its not letting me go to virtual console
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716[10:06:57] <jelly> ctrl-alt-f2 or f3 and press enter a couple times
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718[10:07:27] <CANFULLY> not working
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720[10:07:34] <jelly> hmph
721[10:08:15] <CANFULLY> i went to recovery mode
722[10:08:38] <jelly> then do > Check in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms to make sure the modules are present,
723[10:08:57] <jelly> what does "uname -r" say btw?
724[10:09:30] <CANFULLY> 4.19.0-14-amd64
725[10:09:41] <CANFULLY> is that a full command
726[10:09:57] <CANFULLY> im not understanding begin and end of command
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728[10:10:39] <CANFULLY> jelly
729[10:10:49] <jelly> ls -la /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms
730[10:11:30] <jelly> or ls -la /lib/modules/4.19.0-14-amd64/updates/dkms/ ... see what's there
731[10:12:30] <jelly> there should be a couple .ko files with nvidia in the name, those would be kernel modules built from non-free nvidia code
732[10:13:00] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
733[10:13:51] <CANFULLY> Jelly
734[10:14:57] <TheBigK02> check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log <-
735[10:15:11] <TheBigK02> check if that loads the nvidia module or not...
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737[10:15:16] <TheBigK02> and what the error is
738[10:15:41] <TheBigK02> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log will usually be a good thing
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740[10:16:49] <CANFULLY> Failed to initialize the nvidia gpu at PCI:3:0:0
741[10:16:49] <jelly> alright, so dkms modules are built correctly
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743[10:19:11] <jelly> CANFULLY, lsmod | egrep 'nvidia|nouveau' ... are nvidia or nouveau kernel modules loaded, or neither?
744[10:21:26] <CANFULLY> nothing outputs
745[10:21:42] <TheBigK02> Does someone run a dhcpv6 server on debian and also a dns service? whats the easiest way to connect those services together? Or is dnsmasq a good solution for both? I want to install a dualstack kubernetes-cluster for testing purpose
746[10:21:51] <TheBigK02> then modprobe nvidia
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750[10:24:36] <CANFULLY> so doesn anyone know the problem
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752[10:25:09] <TheBigK02> what happens when u do modprobe nvidia ?
753[10:25:32] <TheBigK02> is it loaded then ? do the lsmod after then
754[10:25:43] <CANFULLY> nothing
755[10:25:54] <TheBigK02> if nothing happens, the module is loaded
756[10:25:59] <TheBigK02> and should be showing under lsmod
757[10:27:10] <CANFULLY> ok so why isnt gnome loading?
758[10:27:37] <TheBigK02> CANFULLY: one step after the other
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760[10:28:20] <TheBigK02> rescue mode and normal mode are different things. it might be the problem that u load both modules still
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762[10:28:44] <CANFULLY> i dont load novueau
763[10:29:30] <TheBigK02> how should u know when u boot to rescue all the time
764[10:29:42] <TheBigK02> in the rescue mode... a lot of services do not boot... including probably the nvidia driver
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766[10:30:13] <TheBigK02> apt remove xserver-xorg-video-nouveau <- thats a good start
767[10:30:17] <CANFULLY> well it will only let me boot to rescue i cant get to virtual console
768[10:30:34] <TheBigK02> apt install openssh-server to remote access it. even the desktop doesnt start, the ssh-server might
769[10:31:02] <TheBigK02> then u can access from a ssh shell. saved my butt more than once ;)
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771[10:31:36] <TheBigK02> its easier to debug from there
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773[10:33:42] <ratrace> CANFULLY: I've only glanced through backscroll... but if you want to reach text only mode (not just rescue), you can add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the kernel command line options in grub menu
774[10:34:09] <ratrace> you can manipulate packages, drivers, and startx for testing
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776[10:34:37] <CANFULLY> How do i do that (get into grub loader)
777[10:35:40] <ratrace> CANFULLY: when the grub menu appears on boot, press the E key to edit the currently selected (default) entry, then use arrow keys to reach the line starting with "linux /vmlinuz4.19......" then add to that line systemd.unit=multi-user.target at the end, then hit F10 to continue booting
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780[10:37:38] <CANFULLY> that didnt work
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782[10:37:51] <ratrace> !doesn't work
783[10:37:51] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
784[10:39:01] <CANFULLY> ok
785[10:39:11] <CANFULLY> rattrace
786[10:39:25] <CANFULLY> ratrace
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790[10:41:33] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
791[10:41:59] <ratrace> 404 not found
792[10:42:27] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
793[10:43:08] <TheBigK02> u edit the linux line and add systemd.unit=multi-user.target
794[10:43:13] <TheBigK02> whats the problem
795[10:43:17] <TheBigK02> is very self explaining
796[10:44:28] <CANFULLY> I did do i erase ‘quiet’ then put that in?
797[10:44:36] <ratrace> CANFULLY: right so you see the cursor up left? on "setparams"? use arrow keys to bring it at the end of the line starting with linux /vmlinuz...
798[10:45:04] <TheBigK02> CANFULLY: u can do that, yes
799[10:45:10] <ratrace> CANFULLY: nobody told you to erase anything. just ADD, APPEND systemd.unit=multi-user.target at the end of that line after quiet separating with one space
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801[10:46:23] <CANFULLY> ok it worked
802[10:46:33] <TheBigK02> now u can login?
803[10:46:37] <CANFULLY> yes
804[10:46:48] <TheBigK02> okay. check if the nvidia module is loaded
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806[10:47:08] <ratrace> best thing would be to pastebin entire dmesg output and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
807[10:47:26] <TheBigK02> u got network access as well? ping works?
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809[10:48:25] <CANFULLY> How do i get dmesg
810[10:48:34] <TheBigK02> dmesg is a command
811[10:48:36] <TheBigK02> just type it
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813[10:49:05] <ratrace> might need sudo for that
814[10:49:07] <CANFULLY> how do i pastebin my output
815[10:49:12] <CANFULLY> from cli
816[10:49:25] <TheBigK02> netcat
817[10:49:35] <ratrace> CANFULLY: is netcat installed? type `nc` and hit enter, should get its "usage" output
818[10:50:22] <ratrace> I mean, just confirm you got the "usage" output for `nc`
819[10:50:44] <CANFULLY> yeah
820[10:51:13] <ratrace> right. so type dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 and it'll give you an URL you can paste here
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822[10:51:28] <CANFULLY> Ok
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824[10:51:53] <ratrace> first check if dmesg even outputs the buffer. I don't know if you're logged in as your user or root, and whether dmesg requries root by default on debian, I think it does
825[10:52:03] <TheBigK02> do same with cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
826[10:52:18] <ratrace> yea
827[10:52:22] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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829[10:52:55] <TheBigK02> the module loads. thats good
830[10:54:09] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
831[10:54:10] <ratrace> 418, default from stable. Might be adviseable to install 460 from backports
832[10:54:43] <TheBigK02> true...
833[10:55:05] <TheBigK02> the X log looks fine to me
834[10:55:07] <CANFULLY> nvidia 460
835[10:55:34] <ratrace> xorg shows it working too... I think there's also a Xorg.0.log under ~/ somewhere... will show issues with gdm and running xorg as user
836[10:56:03] <ratrace> I think it's ~/.local/....somewhere. run find ~/ -name 'Xorg.0.*'
837[10:56:33] <TheBigK02> but under the user... not as root
838[10:56:37] <CANFULLY> do i need to be in user
839[10:56:51] <TheBigK02> u can adjust be ~$username -name
840[10:57:06] <ratrace> CANFULLY: yes, your regular user
841[10:57:06] <TheBigK02> *by
842[10:57:13] <ratrace> I mean, your regular user's $HOME directory
843[10:57:55] <ratrace> so if you're root now, you can just find /home/youruserhere -name 'Xorg.0*'
844[10:58:28] <CANFULLY> nothing is coming up
845[10:58:49] <TheBigK02> i never heared that the X log would be in a user directory tho... thats new to me as well
846[10:58:57] <ratrace> well then.... now the "fun" part of figuring out gnome log entries....
847[10:59:16] <ratrace> TheBigK02: under gdm xorg will run as user for the user's login session, and then the log goes in their $HOME
848[10:59:38] <TheBigK02> ah oki. thanks for clarifying ...
849[10:59:39] <ratrace> it will also run as user, if you startx as that user, also putting the log under ~/
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852[11:01:03] <Lemming> Hi all
853[11:01:11] <Lemming> has the default ssh behaviour been changeD?
854[11:01:21] <ratrace> now it'd be interesting to see something like the output of grep -i gdm /var/log/syslog but I must warn you, this might leak prive/sensitive data
855[11:01:21] <CANFULLY> startx command not found
856[11:01:27] <TheBigK02> Lemming: what ur referring to ?
857[11:01:30] <Lemming> I've just done a fresh install on a system but whenever I try and SSH in I just get access denied
858[11:01:41] <Lemming> and yes, ssh is installed and running
859[11:01:50] <TheBigK02> Lemming: by default root login is forbidden i believe
860[11:02:07] <Lemming> using root or my username TheBigK02, both are giving the same error
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863[11:02:24] <ratrace> Lemming: do you have console access on that machine?
864[11:02:28] <Lemming> yes
865[11:02:37] <ratrace> check /var/log/auth.log for explanation
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869[11:03:50] <CANFULLY> hey
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871[11:05:20] <CANFULLY> are u talking to me
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873[11:05:24] <ratrace> CANFULLY: so did you grep the syslog for occurences of gdm?
874[11:05:52] <ratrace> be warned that it might contain sensitive data, so careful with pasting that. aside from grep -i gdm you could also grep -i gnome from syslog as well
875[11:06:08] * Lemming facepalm headdesks
876[11:06:17] <CANFULLY> im not that fam. With linux whats command
877[11:06:21] <Lemming> I was SSH'ing to the ip of the BMC, not the server
878[11:06:23] <Lemming> nevermind me
879[11:07:06] <cupcake90> Anyone mysql++.h I cant find this file in buster please help out
880[11:07:16] <ratrace> CANFULLY: don't blindly input commands taht someone on IRC told you, without understanding what the command does
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883[11:07:28] <CANFULLY> Da fuq
884[11:07:37] <CANFULLY> idk any of this shit
885[11:07:44] * CANFULLY facepalms
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887[11:08:19] <ratrace> well, check the manpage for grep and see how it works, what the -i flag does, and what grep -i gdm /var/log/syslog means in looking up the occurrence of "gdm" in that log file
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889[11:08:38] <ratrace> grep -i gdm /var/log/syslog and grep -i gnome /var/log/syslog but I must warn you, again, that those log entries might leak sensitive data so review them before you pastebin by piping to netcat
890[11:08:40] <milkt> cupcake90: is mysql library installed?
891[11:09:12] <CANFULLY> how do i put user in sudo group
892[11:09:39] <cupcake90> milkt: I have mysql.h but not this one are they same, if they are same I can edit source code
893[11:09:40] <TheBigK02> usermod -g sudo $user
894[11:09:45] <ratrace> NO
895[11:10:14] <ratrace> usermod -a -G sudo <your user>
896[11:10:34] <ratrace> with -g you fuckup user's main group. READ THE MANPAGES before blindly inputting commands someone gives on the internet
897[11:12:30] <CANFULLY> broski, just tell me is debian better than ubuntu
898[11:12:36] <cupcake90> This is the package I believe but it seems missing in buster libmysql++-dev
899[11:12:45] <milkt> cupcake90: i see libmysqlcppconn-dev in package list, maybe this can help you, or not, i do not know
900[11:12:54] <CANFULLY> im about to go back to ubuntu
901[11:13:12] <ratrace> that's maybe for the best
902[11:13:14] <cupcake90> i did try that as well libmysqlcppconn-dev
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904[11:13:29] <milkt> sorry then i have no idea
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906[11:14:25] <CANFULLY> why isnt startx installed
907[11:15:00] <ratrace> because it isn't default, xinit isn't installed, and isn't recommended for someone without experience
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909[11:16:27] <CANFULLY> it says server error
910[11:16:43] <CANFULLY> connection refused
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912[11:17:17] <ratrace> "... and isn't recommended for someone without experience"
913[11:17:51] <CANFULLY> so....
914[11:18:01] <CANFULLY> debian is broken?
915[11:18:04] <ratrace> you can't just startx and expect stuff to work. you need to set up xinitrc, and I'm almost 100% certain you can't run gnome like that, as it requries gdm session management
916[11:18:08] <ratrace> no, debian isn't broken.
917[11:18:23] <CANFULLY> oh
918[11:18:29] <ratrace> startx wouldn't work on ubuntu even, out of the box, without setting it up
919[11:18:52] <CANFULLY> y’all some busters now that i think about it
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921[11:19:04] <inerkick> Hi. My scanner isn't working kindly help
922[11:19:16] <inerkick> Canon MF241D
923[11:19:22] <ratrace> !doesn't work
924[11:19:22] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
925[11:19:48] <ratrace> also "what did you try", and "what happened when you tried that"
926[11:20:02] <CANFULLY> some one better fix this shit
927[11:20:15] <CANFULLY> u said u was german?
928[11:20:17] <ratrace> fix what? what is broken?
929[11:20:25] <CANFULLY> gnome?
930[11:20:29] <ratrace> how?
931[11:20:39] <milkt> did they manage to get graphic working?
932[11:20:46] <CANFULLY> no
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934[11:20:56] <ratrace> did you even try to look up gdm and gnome in syslog?
935[11:20:58] <ratrace> CANFULLY: ^
936[11:21:29] <CANFULLY> yeah
937[11:21:35] <ratrace> and?
938[11:21:38] <CANFULLY> run me dem commands again
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940[11:22:09] <ratrace> grep -i gdm /var/log/syslog and grep -i gnome /var/log/syslog
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942[11:22:53] <CANFULLY> what does the sensitive info look like?
943[11:23:15] <ratrace> like somethin when you read you go "oh, shi! I don't wanna publish this!"
944[11:23:36] <CANFULLY> what
945[11:23:44] <CANFULLY> i cant read this shit
946[11:23:56] <ratrace> usernames, ip addresses, programs installed, porn URLs visited by firefox and logged as erroneous, etc....
947[11:24:09] <milkt> ratrace: i think they are using relatively new graphic hardware as well
948[11:24:16] <ratrace> which gpu?
949[11:24:39] <milkt> < CANFULLY> 2070s
950[11:24:51] <ratrace> that's not really a new gpu
951[11:24:55] <CANFULLY> im not mafuggin alan turing and enigma g
952[11:24:56] <ratrace> also .... s?
953[11:25:28] <ratrace> CANFULLY: if you don't see anything sensitive in those logs, you can pipe the output to nc termbin.com 9999 again and post the URL you get
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955[11:26:20] <ratrace> any command with textual ouput can be piped to netcat. | is the piping operator. grep ...... | nc termbin.com 9999 where ...... is various options etc., nc invokes the netcat to post the piped data to termbin.com at port 9999
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957[11:27:03] <CANFULLY> man fix this. replaced-url
958[11:27:13] <ratrace> thus grep -i gdm /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999 will pastebin the output of that grep command which is looking up occurences of "gdm", case insensitive, in /var/log/syslog
959[11:27:47] <ratrace> CANFULLY: if you'll continue to be disrespectful, we're done here
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962[11:28:20] <CANFULLY> k sorry
963[11:28:59] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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965[11:30:13] <CANFULLY> ok
966[11:30:21] <CANFULLY> so any problems
967[11:31:13] <ratrace> CANFULLY: can you please run this: grep "Mar 5 03:3" /var/log/kern.log | nc termbin.com 9999 mind the double spaces between Mar and 5
968[11:31:31] <ratrace> so that's "Mar<space><space>5<space>03:3"
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970[11:32:38] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
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973[11:35:24] <CANFULLY> wadup?
974[11:35:29] <ratrace> patience
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976[11:36:27] <ratrace> the last two lines of your last post show the issue with teh driver. at this point I'd try a newer version from buster-backports
977[11:36:54] <CANFULLY> ok so what do i put in sources.list
978[11:37:32] <ratrace> deb replaced-url
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980[11:38:08] <ratrace> then you run apt update to refresh the catalogues, and then you run apt install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver
981[11:38:42] <CANFULLY> Ok where is sources.list located
982[11:38:49] <milkt> /etc/apt/sources.list
983[11:38:57] <ratrace> it's criticla to understand this -t here. you should use it just here for installation of this one package and its dependencies. do not run upgrade with -t. backports packages will upgrade normally with regular apt upgrade
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991[11:43:41] <CANFULLY> It says its 430
992[11:43:48] <CANFULLY> where is 460?
993[11:44:54] <ratrace> please run apt-cache policy nvidia-driver | nc termbin.com 9999
994[11:45:00] <milkt> did you run "apt update"
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997[11:46:31] <CANFULLY> replaced-url
998[11:47:18] <ratrace> so then what's the problem? 460 is right there in the backports,
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1000[11:48:57] <milkt> CANFULLY: can you provide the exact install command you used, and output of command?
1001[11:55:36] <CANFULLY> what is the tesla 460 driver?
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1004[11:57:23] <CANFULLY> ok it works now
1005[11:57:25] <CANFULLY> ty
1006[11:57:59] <CANFULLY> you guys should be blessed by the utmost dieties of the universe shortly
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1008[12:03:43] <dob1> I would like to have an utility to monitor and log what happen in a directory (file creation, deletetion, rename etc): is it there something for this?
1009[12:04:11] <genr8_> yes
1010[12:04:14] <tejr> dob1: You may find inotifywait(1) helpful
1011[12:04:26] <dob1> I take a look thanks
1012[12:04:38] <genr8_> look at the package fswatch
1013[12:04:51] <dob1> I look at this too
1014[12:04:57] <ratrace> I'd use audit(d) for that
1015[12:05:06] <tejr> genr8_: Cool
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1017[12:06:00] <genr8_> /usr/bin/inotifywait comes from the inotify-tools package
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1019[12:06:14] <genr8_> auditd is very complicated
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1021[12:06:55] <dob1> what the difference between fswatch and auditd ?
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1025[12:07:14] <genr8_> a lot
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1028[12:09:56] <dob1> if it is more simple I will start with fswatch and in case I will consider auditd
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1031[12:11:21] <genr8_> yes
1032[12:11:23] <genr8_> also [06:06:00] <genr8_> /usr/bin/inotifywait comes from the inotify-tools package
1033[12:12:24] <genr8_> auditd is a whole system of daemons and config files and binary log readers and rules and templates
1034[12:12:40] <genr8_> the other two are just command lines with easy to understand --help
1035[12:13:27] <ratrace> eh what? auditd is just a daemon with a config file and the rest goes through syslog. what binary log readers?
1036[12:13:48] <ratrace> if you don't like it or don't want to use, fine. but it's really just a d and a conf
1037[12:13:53] <genr8_> aureport ausearch
1038[12:13:59] <ratrace> absolutely not needed
1039[12:14:46] <ratrace> I like it because it gives me full security context, subject object uids, etc...
1040[12:15:06] <genr8_> the output is a mess of spam. looks gross
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1043[12:18:47] <genr8_> in my mind, auditd is meant for the system reporting unwanted actions, and inotify is meant for you as a human to detect things on purpose
1044[12:19:10] <ratrace> genr8_: I guess you're right about binary logfies. I was using only the auditctl interface for the kernel audit subsystem and that went through regular kern facility to syslog. wasn't using the daemon specifically and its files.
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1046[12:20:35] <genr8_> yeah, its ok if you want to deal with the spam in the syslog
1047[12:20:37] <ratrace> genr8_: you can put explicit rules on specific paths and have those behaviours logged. last I used it was to figure out who the eff was re-creating /var/cache/nginx/<stuff> under wrong user
1048[12:22:35] <genr8_> i guess its fine if you already know auditd, but its gonna be a day of figuring it out vs like an hour
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1050[12:24:42] <ratrace> yeah been using it a lot in the past
1051[12:25:13] <genr8_> i prefer the simpler tools for a one-time watchlist that I need the results of, and auditd for the whole system to track forever
1052[12:25:21] <ratrace> the audictl interface and the kernel's subsystem I mean. for selinux, apparmor and these random path watches
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1058[12:28:18] <genr8_> i have a mental issue dealing with the spam
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1062[12:32:14] <genr8_> do we have a debian-hardened community ?
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1066[12:35:22] <ratrace> looks like we don't, though there's #debian-security on OFTC, but that's different. could use #debian-hardened yeah. on Freenode especially.
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1072[12:39:12] <genr8_> ive been delving into recompiling the kernel with ##linux-hardened kernel lately
1073[12:39:51] <ratrace> what's that, KSPP?
1074[12:39:56] <genr8_> yeah
1075[12:40:41] <genr8_> Shared IRC channel for the Kernel Self Protection Project replaced-url
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1078[12:43:46] <genr8_> theres a lot of technologies we can use for security CONFIG_LSM="lockdown,yama,loadpin,safesetid,integrity,apparmor,selinux,smack,tomoyo"
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1081[12:44:33] <genr8_> ive just gotten into firejail which I thought was gonna be hard, but it wasnt, cause the default profiles are very abundant and adequate.
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1085[12:45:24] <CANFULLY78> hey, how do i install the driver for asus ac56 ac1300 pcie wireless card
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1087[12:45:49] <genr8_> you are not going to like the answer
1088[12:46:00] <CANFULLY78> what is it?
1089[12:46:08] <CANFULLY78> u talking to me?
1090[12:46:25] <genr8_> yes. have you found the driver ?
1091[12:46:36] <CANFULLY78> yeah i make | make install
1092[12:46:40] <CANFULLY78> it still doesn't work
1093[12:47:13] <milkt> !does not work
1094[12:47:14] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1096[12:47:41] <milkt> what did you install?
1097[12:47:43] <genr8_> well its a module. so
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1099[12:47:53] <CANFULLY78> do i have to load the module?
1100[12:47:59] <genr8_> yes
1101[12:48:48] <milkt> you can use "modprobe <module>" if you know name of module
1102[12:49:25] <CANFULLY78> does modprobe list all modules?
1103[12:50:03] <Devastator> what is the most current way of preventing a package from update?
1104[12:50:37] <CANFULLY78> modprobe isn't installed
1105[12:50:41] <CANFULLY78> what package is it in?
1106[12:50:43] <genr8_> root bruv.
1107[12:51:01] <genr8_> Devastator, add this to your .bashrc : function dpkghold() { echo $1 hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections; }
1108[12:51:12] <milkt> Devastator: "apt-mark hold <package>"
1109[12:51:23] <genr8_> oh. :)
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1111[12:51:37] <CANFULLY78> how do you install modprobe
1112[12:51:45] <genr8_> CANFULLY78, you need root brother
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1114[12:52:32] <CANFULLY78> i did go into root
1115[12:52:35] <CANFULLY78> command still not found
1116[12:52:49] <towo^work> su - instead of su
1117[12:52:57] <Devastator> genr8_ milkt thank you
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1119[12:54:48] <CANFULLY78> ok with modprobe how do i load module
1120[12:54:53] <CANFULLY78> i fount the module
1121[12:55:08] <genr8_> [06:48:48] <milkt> you can use "modprobe <module>" if you know name of module
1122[12:55:09] <CANFULLY78> man modprobe
1123[12:55:17] <CANFULLY78> i did do that
1124[12:55:30] <genr8_> did it complain or not
1125[12:55:36] <CANFULLY78> did not complain
1126[12:56:13] <CANFULLY78> do i restart
1127[12:56:15] <CANFULLY78> ?
1128[12:56:40] <genr8_> that undoes what you just did
1129[12:56:58] <milkt> if modprobe did not complain, module is loaded
1130[12:57:03] <CANFULLY78> well my wireless card is still not working
1131[12:57:35] <genr8_> well theres a lot to wifi, this is every noobs first struggle with linux
1132[12:58:10] <milkt> where did you install it from by the way?
1133[12:58:13] <CANFULLY78> i think i figured it out
1134[12:58:31] <CANFULLY78> replaced-url
1135[12:58:40] <CANFULLY78> it made a deb file
1136[12:59:34] <genr8_> ok so we resort back to step 1 now. you found a driver, but its for the wrong OS and wrong kernel.
1137[13:00:20] <milkt> well
1138[13:00:35] <genr8_> nm, it might work.
1139[13:00:37] <CANFULLY78> pfft
1140[13:00:55] <CANFULLY78> ok where is the module for debian 10
1141[13:01:15] <CANFULLY78> i've skewered the web i can't find one
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1143[13:01:52] <genr8_> that one might be valid actually. the version number threw me off
1144[13:02:01] <milkt> can you paste output of "lspci -nn | grep -i network"
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1149[13:05:40] <CANFULLY78> ok how do i remove rtl8814au-dkms
1150[13:06:04] <genr8_> remove? why
1151[13:06:11] <genr8_> I think you're supposed to use the dkms one actually
1152[13:06:41] <CANFULLY78> replaced-url
1153[13:06:45] <CANFULLY78> do i restart after ?
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1155[13:08:03] <genr8_> uhh
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1157[13:08:59] <milkt> i think pce-ac56 using broadcom chipset
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1159[13:09:10] <CANFULLY85> ok so now it works
1160[13:09:11] <milkt> not sure until they provide more detail
1161[13:09:31] <milkt> good then
1162[13:09:57] <CANFULLY85> so i got a 10700k and it runs as fast as a 10900kf with geekbench... is that a lucky processor or because i have overclocked 3200 ram?
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1165[13:12:11] <ratrace> I don't think there's a simple or even a likely answer to this question
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1167[13:12:28] <genr8_> probably multi-core enhancement auto enabled in the motherboard UEFI
1168[13:12:47] <CANFULLY85> oh damn
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1170[13:13:11] <genr8_> the mobo essentially auto OC's your chip instead of running it in intel compliant stock mode
1171[13:13:12] <CANFULLY85> i need a processor geekbench single core of 3k and multi score of circa 25k
1172[13:13:22] <genr8_> NEED
1173[13:13:34] <CANFULLY85> yeah, technically
1174[13:13:48] <genr8_> technically thats hard
1175[13:13:55] <CANFULLY85> ikr
1176[13:14:07] <genr8_> you NEED 999 FPS In counterstrike dont you
1177[13:14:13] <ratrace> lol
1178[13:14:16] <CANFULLY85> i don't play games
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1181[13:15:21] <genr8_> maybe you're talking about geekbench 4 results
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1185[13:16:33] <genr8_> neither of those numbers make sense actually
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1187[13:17:32] <CANFULLY85> no i'm talking about the big leagues buddy
1188[13:17:43] <CANFULLY85> the gb5 3k+ single core scores
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1190[13:18:55] <genr8_> none exist
1191[13:19:20] <genr8_> your chip is around 1300s / 8000m
1192[13:19:44] <CANFULLY85> how do i get 32bit libgl
1193[13:20:03] <ratrace> holy adhd batman
1194[13:20:04] <genr8_> thought you dont play games :P
1195[13:20:51] <genr8_> SQUIRREL
1196[13:21:34] <ratrace> the nvidia-driver you installed has pulled it in most likely
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1198[13:22:00] <CANFULLY85> i'm trying to make a game not play a game
1199[13:22:14] <CANFULLY85> make game = 40 grand a month
1200[13:22:29] <CANFULLY85> i need those grands
1201[13:22:56] <genr8_> all you got are some dogecoins and vapejuice coupons
1202[13:23:58] <CANFULLY85> i don't invest in bs
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1204[13:24:33] <ratrace> how do you intend to write a game without..... playing it.
1205[13:24:51] <ratrace> also if you don't play games.... why do you think you have the experience and skill and knowledge required to develop one ....
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1207[13:24:55] <TheBigK02> cupcake90: libmysql++-dev
1208[13:25:22] <genr8_> if you can't get multi-arch working you're a long way off
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1210[13:25:51] <ratrace> genr8_: "dogecoins and vapejuice coupons" lolwtf
1211[13:26:20] <genr8_> i can smell him from here
1212[13:27:14] <cupcake90> TheBigK02: well that package is not in buster I read like the package is buggy and moved to testing or so
1213[13:27:15] <genr8_> replaced-url
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1215[13:27:55] <TheBigK02> well... bullseye is around the corner
1216[13:28:00] <TheBigK02> i would install it with apt-pinning
1217[13:28:08] <ratrace> careful when recommending apt pinning
1218[13:28:37] <ratrace> that's essentially a frankendebian and not supported here. building and using a frankendebian assumes you have enough knowledge so you don't have to ask about it on irc.
1219[13:28:47] <ratrace> (and thus will not be supported)
1220[13:28:47] <genr8_> pinning is winning
1221[13:29:54] <TheBigK02> ratrace: ur right... tried installing it... i have broken dependencies trying to install it... i remove my recommendation there
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1223[13:29:56] <TheBigK02> ratrace: ur right... tried installing it... i have broken dependencies trying to install it... i remove my recommendation ther
1224[13:30:01] <TheBigK02> sorry for spam :(
1225[13:30:04] <cupcake90> No i cant go on with unstable package so i just avoided the feature and switched to sqlite support it is a bioinformatics tool
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1227[13:30:29] <TheBigK02> cupcake90: gr8 to hear
1228[13:30:31] <cupcake90> Thanks
1229[13:30:50] <CANFULLY85> why isn't steam working on debian says 32bit l ibrary isn't fount and i added the architecture to no avail
1230[13:31:08] <genr8_> try more
1231[13:31:21] <CANFULLY85> mwahahahaha
1232[13:31:34] <milkt> can you stop saying "not working"
1233[13:31:44] <CANFULLY85> mwahahaha sorry
1234[13:31:45] <TheBigK02> check the debian wiki for steam installation
1235[13:32:05] <milkt> steam is in nonfree
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1238[13:36:45] <genr8_> ah fuck i just learned something and also learned I wasted a day
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1242[13:37:25] <genr8_> nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms is only working on Up to Kernel 5.7, but nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-source is working on Up to Kernel 5.10
1243[13:38:02] <CANFULLY58> ok i followed wiki debian... steam still isn't working
1244[13:38:21] <genr8_> you need the 32-bit packages from your video card and for MESA
1245[13:38:37] <oxek> or just use the flatpak version of steam
1246[13:38:38] <genr8_> read that section for AMD Intel Nvidia Vulkan carefully again
1247[13:39:13] <milkt> dpkg: tell CANFULLY58 about does not work
1248[13:39:48] <oxek> genr8_: doesn't the nvidia-detect package tell you exactly which packages you need to install?
1249[13:40:34] <milkt> CANFULLY58: what is not working, what is error message, or what do it say
1250[13:42:12] <genr8_> oxek, that doesnt take into account the kernel limitation of the legacy 390 driver
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1252[13:45:08] <oxek> interestingly enough, nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms says "Building the kernel modules has been tested up to Linux 5.10"
1253[13:45:23] <genr8_> not for me
1254[13:45:38] <genr8_> what did you do ?
1255[13:45:50] <oxek> I just read the package description, it's the last line
1256[13:45:56] <genr8_> says 5.7 for me
1257[13:46:16] <oxek> did you `apt-get update`?
1258[13:46:19] <genr8_> yes...
1259[13:46:47] <oxek> I have no explanation for why you'd be seeing different description than me
1260[13:47:05] <oxek> replaced-url
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1263[13:47:39] <genr8_> wtf
1264[13:47:57] <genr8_> im on 390.138-1~deb10u1
1265[13:48:05] <genr8_> what the
1266[13:48:47] <genr8_> whats the command to check the pinning of the package
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1268[13:48:59] <oxek> apt policy ...
1269[13:49:02] <genr8_> yeah
1270[13:49:20] <genr8_> oh ffs.
1271[13:49:45] <genr8_> 390.141-2~deb10u1 10 vs. *** 390.138-1~deb10u1 100
1272[13:50:17] <oxek> yeah the changelog says it fixed building on newer kernel versions
1273[13:50:31] <genr8_> thanks
1274[13:50:43] <genr8_> what a life
1275[13:50:51] <oxek> start keeping a document of all the pins and package holds you're doing
1276[13:50:56] <oxek> otherwise this will keep happening to you
1277[13:51:36] <genr8_> I think something was changed on me.
1278[13:51:40] <genr8_> there was never any "10" priority before
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1280[13:52:27] <genr8_> nope i lied. i did do it.
1281[13:52:31] <CANFULLY83> is there compat32 package of libglvnd for debian?
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1285[13:53:22] <genr8_> woops. ok thanks.
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1287[13:54:44] <oxek> for a while I was thinking of creating some sort of `apt-overview` command, that would show all enabled & disabled sources, pins, package holds, etc.
1288[13:54:57] <milkt> CANFULLY83: replaced-url
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1291[13:56:12] <milkt> i do not know what compat32 mean by the way
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1299[14:01:23] <CANFULLY83> steam doesn't work
1300[14:01:33] <CANFULLY83> i've tried everything on the wiki
1301[14:01:34] <milkt> i give up
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1303[14:01:45] <CANFULLY83> i've tried to install that milkt
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1305[14:01:57] <CANFULLY83> i've tried solutions from linuxquestions and steam forums
1306[14:01:59] <CANFULLY83> nothing works
1307[14:02:15] <milkt> !does not work
1308[14:02:15] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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1310[14:03:13] <genr8_> oxek, i remember what happened now. I had 390.138-1u1 from September 1st. Then 138-2 came out September 12th. Then 138-3 came out right after at September 16th and it had "Temporarily disable building the nvidia-uvm module".
1311[14:03:30] <CANFULLY83> steam error is glXChooseVisual failed
1312[14:04:09] <genr8_> then I lowered the priority of it, assuming I would remember ..... i did not.
1313[14:05:15] <genr8_> turns out "Temporarily disable" meant until 12 Jan 2021 when it said "Re-enable building" , then 23 Jan 2021 it said "Really re-enable" :P
1314[14:05:49] <oxek> CANFULLY83: really, try flatpak version of steam instead, it saves you all this headache
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1316[14:06:05] <CANFULLY83> ok
1317[14:06:05] <CANFULLY83> ty
1318[14:06:46] <oxek> genr8_: mystery solved :)
1319[14:07:05] <oxek> and I know I'll never remember when I think to myself that I'll remember
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1321[14:07:42] <genr8_> i learned that lesson more than once, but apparently not enough times
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1324[14:08:34] <oxek> on the same note, make sure you have backups of your system, and that you test those backups (and have a plan on how you'd restore from simple failure, and catastrophic failure)
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1326[14:09:06] <genr8_> on the same note "I think i remember" but do i ?
1327[14:10:13] <genr8_> i made a dd backup of / 3 days ago. does that count
1328[14:11:20] <milkt> i take note of most system change i made as text file
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1330[14:12:06] <milkt> so easy with linux, had hard time taking note of any configuration or such stuff on windoze
1331[14:12:20] <oxek> yeah it really can't be done on windows
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1335[14:13:15] <TheBigK02> i use btrbk in combination with btrfs... i actually enjoy that a lot since i can rollback without actually the need of restoring...
1336[14:14:08] <TheBigK02> and i enjoy also the systemd timer functions... it was quite some work ... but was fun doing something with systemd
1337[14:14:25] <oxek> I really should look into using btrfs
1338[14:14:59] <TheBigK02> at the beginning it can be confusing at times... but worth it i think
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1340[14:17:38] <genr8_> uh
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1342[14:18:34] <genr8_> something terribly weird happened here
1343[14:19:19] <genr8_> in my /, the symlinks are: vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-12-amd64 and vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-14-amd64
1344[14:19:36] <genr8_> dated 2 days ago
1345[14:19:57] <TheBigK02> thats actually funny
1346[14:20:02] <milkt> check log maybe
1347[14:20:05] <oxek> yeah that looks weird
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1349[14:20:33] <oxek> you possibly didn't have kernel headers for the new kernel, and installed some dkms thing and it only built the kernels where headers were available
1350[14:20:49] <TheBigK02> but is that important to u ? my grub doesnt use those symlinsk
1351[14:21:05] <genr8_> TheBigK02, right
1352[14:21:22] <genr8_> but the question is why, and now what
1353[14:22:01] <TheBigK02> the apt history might give u a hint
1354[14:22:04] <genr8_> oxek, how does it generate symlinks based on headers ?
1355[14:22:43] <genr8_> well, i re-installed the 14 one over top of itself, at almost that exact time
1356[14:22:51] <oxek> genr8_: the headers are irrelevant for symlinks. It's only that if 4.19-12 was possible to build, and 4.19.-14 was not, then only the -12 would be built and linked
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1358[14:23:23] <genr8_> i think you're talking about something else. its only the symlinks that are messed up
1359[14:23:49] <oxek> oh, then I don't know what happened
1360[14:24:17] <genr8_> the kernels got installed in /boot as per normal, and grub is normal.
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1362[14:26:40] <milkt> genr8_: maybe check system or dpkg log around time when symlink modified
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1368[14:33:55] <genr8_> I think its a bug that i caused by doing something weird
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1371[14:34:55] <Caspan> Hey guys I am trying to follow this reference (replaced-url
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1374[14:36:05] <Caspan> should I put them in the same folder as the .conf file or should I specify in the .conf file the exact dir they are in?
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1382[14:43:13] <genr8_> that involves general cert and key practices and access rules involving permissions
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1384[14:43:59] <Caspan> genr8_, thanks for the reply. What does that mean exactly?
1385[14:44:31] <genr8_> the .key is private, so you would not want to place it somewhere readable
1386[14:44:48] <Caspan> I have an app that can do LDAP but does not have the ability to do LDAP with certificates and Google says just install this app on the same serer and it will do a proxy for you adding the certificates
1387[14:45:09] <Caspan> so if i put them in the /etc/ssl folder?
1388[14:46:09] <genr8_> you notice the /ets/ssl/private is 700 and /etc/ssl/certs is 755
1389[14:46:14] <genr8_> thats the concept
1390[14:46:25] <Caspan> okay
1391[14:46:31] <Caspan> so ill put them there
1392[14:46:34] <genr8_> so you would put the .key in the private and the .crt in the certs
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1394[14:46:44] <Caspan> okay let me test that
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1400[14:49:05] <genr8_> if it doesnt work, its because the daemon is running as stunnel4:stunnel4 and youd have to take that into account
1401[14:49:36] <Caspan> Im getting this error on service start replaced-url
1402[14:50:10] <Caspan> it saying something about Y"ou should check that you have specified the pid= in you configuration file"
1403[14:50:13] <genr8_> looks like 2 different errors
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1405[14:52:04] <genr8_> did you make the config file correctly ? The first 3 lines show setuid=, setgid=, and pid=
1406[14:52:16] <Caspan> i coppied what google told me to make
1407[14:52:23] <Caspan> im assuming they are wrong here ;)
1408[14:52:24] <genr8_> thats probably a terrible plan
1409[14:52:38] <Caspan> i have noticed that
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1412[14:53:42] <Caspan> replaced-url
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1414[14:53:50] <genr8_> read this /usr/share/doc/stunnel4/examples/stunnel.conf-sample
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1416[14:54:30] <genr8_> it should be pid=/run/stunnel4
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1418[14:55:23] <Caspan> well would you look at that its running
1419[14:55:36] <Caspan> time to update the google article!!
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1421[14:55:56] <Caspan> Thanks I really appreciate the help
1422[14:56:15] <genr8_> yw
1423[14:58:44] <genr8_> are you sure the first 4 lines of that error message paste are gone? about the certificate file. it said no such file
1424[14:58:59] <Caspan> let me double check
1425[14:59:14] <Caspan> im wondering if when running as this PID it is able to access them?
1426[14:59:25] <genr8_> thats what im wondering :)
1427[14:59:29] <Caspan> but i will double check
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1434[15:02:17] <Caspan> LOL im a bit slow today
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1437[15:02:58] <genr8_> look in "ps aux" and check if the stunnel daemon is still running as the user root , or stunnel4
1438[15:03:03] <Caspan> i restarted apache not stunnel
1439[15:03:08] <genr8_> omg lol
1440[15:03:29] <Caspan> haha i jsut saw the restart at the end of the command
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1442[15:04:02] <CANFULLY28> lancashire chicks my favorite cuz they RATS
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1472[15:41:03] <rpi> e?
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1490[15:51:21] <jhutchins> How do I get the xfce launcher bar to auto hide?
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1492[15:54:01] <beelzebuzz> has a dropdown in settings > panel
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1494[15:55:33] <beelzebuzz> if you mean the actual "launcher" panel item, not sure
1495[15:56:15] <jhutchins> The one at the bottom with ... six default applications.
1496[15:56:43] <jhutchins> I guess I can go full screen and hide it.
1497[15:56:52] <beelzebuzz> oh it's in the same place as i mentioned. just change to panel 2
1498[15:57:59] <jhutchins> Got it, thanks.
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1502[16:01:53] <jhutchins> I think there is or may have been another way to access that in the past, but I don't set up new systems very often these days.
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1506[16:03:29] <jelly> jhutchins, it's just a panel like any other
1507[16:03:51] <jelly> you can remove it. Wastes precious vertical space!
1508[16:04:08] <jelly> or move it to the right edge, as $DEITY intended
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1513[16:06:13] <jhutchins> jelly: Yes, well, it's hard to remember what arbitrary labels each feature has. Could be Panel1, Panel2, could be taskbar and launcher.
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1515[16:06:49] <jhutchins> These days I tend to go several years between new builds.
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1517[16:07:03] <jelly> I don't do new builds.
1518[16:07:23] <GNU\colossus> jelly, I have my panel on the left edge, the way $deity intended, you HERETIC!
1519[16:07:26] <jhutchins> jelly: Do you do new hardware at all?
1520[16:07:31] <jelly> jhutchins, sure
1521[16:08:02] <jelly> my home machine has gone though 6 or so hw platforms, but Debian was never reinstalled
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1523[16:08:08] <jelly> since 2001
1524[16:08:10] <jhutchins> So I get new hardware and drop the old disks in, what about things like new laptops?
1525[16:08:21] <jelly> clone the system, make it boot
1526[16:08:33] <jelly> my laptop machine... (you can guess the rest ;-)
1527[16:08:43] <jhutchins> What do you use to clone?
1528[16:08:52] <jelly> rsync
1529[16:09:31] <alex11> and for the packages?
1530[16:09:38] <ratrace> oh I can see that in the encyclopaedia. Cruft, n. (see: Jelly's laptop)
1531[16:09:39] <jelly> rsync everything
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1533[16:09:43] <jhutchins> In this case, the old laptop was well and truely dead, and I don't do system backups, just data.
1534[16:10:09] <jelly> ratrace, yes. I found pieces of libc5 around 2018 or so.
1535[16:10:14] <ratrace> ugh :)
1536[16:10:21] <GNU\colossus> jelly, so you are still on i386 then? :)
1537[16:10:24] <jhutchins> I also migrated to buster instead of stretch.
1538[16:10:26] <jelly> ratrace, broke upgrades from stretch to buster
1539[16:10:32] <jelly> GNU\colossus, yes
1540[16:10:36] <alex11> how do you rsync packages?
1541[16:10:38] <GNU\colossus> amazing
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1543[16:10:50] <GNU\colossus> last $dayjob had such a domU
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1545[16:10:59] <ratrace> jelly: surely the kernel is 64-bit?
1546[16:11:10] <GNU\colossus> the 64bit kernel in the i386 archive really came in handy there :)
1547[16:11:14] <jelly> alex11, rsync all the filesystem contents, that includes package manager db and the files
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1549[16:11:23] <alex11> i'm awful at keeping regular backups anyway, i should at least do my /home
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1551[16:11:32] <jelly> ratrace, yes, it's hard to run some things otherwise
1552[16:11:44] <jelly> google chrome does not do 32bit builds
1553[16:12:01] <jelly> neither does skype
1554[16:12:12] <rgwu> jelly: I use a similar method, but only rsync /home when changing hardware. Rsync is truely amazing software.
1555[16:12:14] <ratrace> it'd also be terribly insecure. I'm convinced the upstream has basically completely given up on x86_32 security in teh kernel
1556[16:12:54] <jelly> ratrace, that's for 32bit kernels
1557[16:13:03] <ratrace> yea
1558[16:13:17] <jelly> x86_32 emulation in the 64bit kernel should be fine
1559[16:13:29] <ratrace> yea
1560[16:14:13] <jelly> also, 32bit firefox still eats a lot less RAM than 64bit
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1562[16:14:40] <ratrace> I got 64GB. not sure I'd care :)
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1564[16:16:46] <CANFULLY> 32 gb
1565[16:17:00] <CANFULLY> Gary oak style
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1569[16:19:33] <jelly> I seem to have... uh, 16 on laptop, 24 on desktop
1570[16:19:44] <jelly> no idea how 24 happened
1571[16:20:42] <avu> I recently had to switch from 16 to 32 because I started working on some big web project that activated the OOM killer regularly when compiling
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1574[16:21:35] <avu> but before that, 16 was enough for FF with countless tabs, a Windows VM and several Electron apps
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1577[16:21:57] <milkt> running enough with 1GB ram
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1579[16:22:16] <milkt> 1GiB *
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1581[16:22:36] <raidghost> Is there any mp4encode alternative for use to decrypt stuff where the keys needed is taken care of?
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1592[16:33:09] <jaggz> how do I set the gtk theme for all gtk windows right now from within X?
1593[16:33:18] <jaggz> GTK_THEME=Adwaita:dark gnome-calculator
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1596[16:34:21] <Kobaz> ed with return code 1
1597[16:34:28] <Kobaz> er, that didn't paste well
1598[16:34:31] <jaggz> they give that example, so I figure I can set that in my login scripts, but I don't think that'll take effect until i restart (hm. when x11 comes up and allows me to log in through the gui, does it actually run my bashrc?)
1599[16:34:45] <Kobaz> /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies' run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 <---- I get this in my email from cron every morning
1600[16:35:04] <Kobaz> debian buster, latest apt-get dist-upgrade
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1605[16:36:53] <Kobaz> And this is coming from: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat
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1615[16:41:48] <velix> Does LXC 4.0.2 support cgroupsv2 i nDebian?
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1617[16:45:27] <genr8_> replaced-url
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1652[17:21:27] <Kobaz> looks like it's an issue in /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade
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1657[17:23:54] <samantaz_> Okay, so I cloned the whole "source" + "amd64" + "all" packages from another mirror
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1659[17:24:35] <samantaz_> The advertized sizes on replaced-url
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1661[17:25:26] <imMute> samantaz_: the page says it was last modified Jan 6
1662[17:25:37] <imMute> even though it says updated daily at the top :/
1663[17:26:43] <samantaz_> There may be an issue on the retrieval of data.
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1665[17:27:09] <samantaz_> The page was actually updated today, at 11:00 UTC
1666[17:27:19] <samantaz_> 11:30*
1667[17:27:52] <imMute> it says last *built* at that time. dunno what the difference is, but "modified" is pretty clear to me...
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1675[17:37:40] <samantaz_> From the source code, I found this data: replaced-url
1676[17:38:09] <samantaz_> It corresponds to what is found on the website.
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1696[17:57:25] <jhutchins> ,v cifs-utils
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1698[17:57:27] <judd> Package: cifs-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 2:6.4-1; stretch: 2:6.7-1; buster: 2:6.8-2; bullseye: 2:6.11-1; sid: 2:6.11-1
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1701[18:05:59] <jhutchins> I suppose I could copy mount.cifs from the stretch client to the buster box.
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1704[18:10:55] <rindolf> hi all! how can i fix the -lgdbm_compat build error: replaced-url
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1708[18:13:29] <imMute> rindolf: you probably need to install a package that provides those libraries
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1711[18:13:52] <imMute> rindolf: like libgdbm-compat-dev
1712[18:14:05] <rindolf> imMute: thanks!
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1725[18:31:11] <jhutchins> So much for that theory. Copied mount.cifs 6.7 from the stretch box, problem persists.
1726[18:31:22] <Gramcor> where is the system supplied cerfified authority file for tls in debian located?
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1728[18:33:22] <imMute> Gramcor: replaced-url
1729[18:33:31] <imMute> Gramcor: see "list of files" at the bottom.
1730[18:33:40] <imMute> alternately, run 'dpkg -L ca-certificates'
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1737[18:41:28] <jhutchins> ,v samba-common-bin
1738[18:41:30] <judd> Package: samba-common-bin on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13; stretch: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:4.5.16+dfsg-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5; buster-security: 2:4.9.5+dfsg-5+deb10u1; bullseye: 2:4.13.4+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.13.4+dfsg-1
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1745[18:48:23] <dob1> what is the search package option for the bot?
1746[18:48:35] <dob1> !search foobar
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1748[18:49:11] <raidghost> ,v fobaar
1749[18:49:12] <judd> No package named 'fobaar' was found in amd64.
1750[18:49:26] <dob1> ,v acme
1751[18:49:27] <judd> Package: acme on amd64 -- buster: 1:0.96.2-1; bullseye: 1:0.97~svn20201116+ds-1; sid: 1:0.97~svn20201116+ds-1
1752[18:49:59] <dob1> it's not the search
1753[18:50:10] <dob1> it's the version of a package name
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1756[18:53:00] <dob1> my real question is: is this on the next debian ? replaced-url
1757[18:56:13] <sney> doesn't look like it, the only acme.sh in testing/sid is from a different package,
1758[18:56:15] <sney> ,i uacme
1759[18:56:16] <judd> No package named 'uacme' was found in buster/amd64.
1760[18:56:22] <sney> ,i uacme --release sid
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1762[18:56:24] <judd> Package uacme (net, optional) in sid/amd64: Lightweight client for the RFC8555 ACMEv2 protocol. Version: 1.7-1; Size: 91.8k; Installed: 298k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1766[18:59:40] <dob1> sney, not the same but it maybe can work ... it's strange that debian doesn't include the one I linked it's the one that let's encrypt suggest
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1768[19:00:21] <imMute> dob1: replaced-url
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1772[19:01:32] <dob1> imMute, unfortunately certbot doesn't manage dns challenge
1773[19:01:37] <Wulf> I wrote my own one
1774[19:01:52] <jhutchins> Ok, samba problem fixed. I added file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 to the fstab entries. Don't know why that's NOT required on stretch.
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1776[19:01:55] <Wulf> dob1: I think it does, perhaps through some plugin?
1777[19:02:18] <dob1> Wulf, not sure then, I was thinking it doesn't
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1779[19:02:52] <imMute> dob1: replaced-url
1780[19:03:04] <imMute> dob1: it doesn't appear to support a *standalone* DNS mode though.
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1782[19:04:45] <dob1> imMute, and some of these plugins are in debian, at least I found them in buster
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1785[19:06:05] <rindolf> imMute: i ran the docker script a while ago with the new pkg installed. it'll take a bit more to finish
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1790[19:14:34] <rindolf> imMute: finished w << 1614967838.002926111 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdbm>> - i think i now hwo to fix that
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1792[19:15:23] <imMute> rindolf: take a guess based on the other library and package name.
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1794[19:16:23] <rindolf> imMute: yes, i'm not a newbie
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1798[19:18:45] <imMute> derp on my part. I misread your last statement. :X
1799[19:18:55] <rindolf> imMute: ah
1800[19:19:14] <rindolf> s/ now / know /
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1817[19:37:30] <Devastator> I'm seeing btrfs loaded and raid6 in dmesg, dpkg -l *btrf* or dpkg -l *raid* shows nothing, any reason it would appear in dmesg?
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1819[19:38:22] <greycat> Debian kernels ship with a btrfs module.
1820[19:39:09] <greycat> ,file btrfs.ko
1821[19:39:14] <judd> Search for btrfs.ko in buster/amd64: linux-image-4.19.0-13-cloud-amd64-unsigned: lib/modules/4.19.0-13-cloud-amd64/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-13-cloud-amd64: lib/modules/4.19.0-13-cloud-amd64/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-13-amd64-unsigned: lib/modules/4.19.0-13-amd64/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-13-rt-amd64: lib/modules/4.19.0-13-rt-
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1824[19:40:48] <Devastator> I wonder why it is loaded
1825[19:41:20] <sney> might have gotten into the initrd, if you set modules=most
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1827[19:41:26] <greycat> one possibility is that you have a btrfs file system somewhere
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1833[19:49:27] <ccc> Does anyone here use Tor as their proxy? I'm trying to get it so that I go into Gnome system settings and use Tor as a proxy. I've been trying to do this on and off for years, and have not once gotten it to work. I also tried this method [replaced-url
1834[19:49:27] <ccc> Gnome would load. I've been messing with this for a while, and have yet to find a single set of instructions that get Tor to work on my system in ANY fashion. What the hell am I doing wrong?
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1841[19:55:07] <petn-randall> ccc: Why wouldn't gnome load without a working network connection? Gnome starts fine for me, even offline.
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1844[19:56:26] <petn-randall> ccc: One problem you have is that tor needs to go out the regular connection, and you want the rest to go through tor, I guess. And only TCP works over tor, so you'd end up some services not working at all.
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1848[19:59:43] <ccc> Apologies, my systems are being temperamental.\
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1852[20:01:42] <ccc> Would someone be willing to email me and help me get this thing working?
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1856[20:02:53] <greycat> #tor might have better informed people on this topic
1857[20:03:10] <ccc> Aye, will ask there, thank you!
1858[20:03:35] <petn-randall> email? We usually don't give one-on-one support in here.
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1860[20:04:12] <rindolf> imMute: worked now - thanks
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1862[20:05:35] <ccc> It's just that I don't want to clog up the channel since I've been wrestling with this for a while and don't know what I'm doing with it. I'll go ask the guys in the official channel for it, though.
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1875[20:19:36] <ccc> They're more interested in playing 20 Questions about why I want to route all my network traffic through Tor.
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1877[20:20:24] <greycat> Sounds like you've found the right people, then.
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1880[20:21:40] <petn-randall> Given that you'll leak DNS/non-TCP left and right, it's completely valid to ask what your overall goal is here.
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1882[20:23:04] <sney> I don't use tor specifically, but my vpn setup became about 10x easier to manage once I moved the tunnel routing to a separate appliance.
1883[20:23:52] <sney> in your case, you could use a rpi or something as the dedicated tor router, and then tell your machine to use it as the next hop for everything.
1884[20:24:37] <ccc> There's a thought...
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1890[20:37:28] <Gramcor> so i asked before where is ca-cerficates crt. i was advised to do dpkg -L ca-certificates, this lists many files but not a single file i need that contains all certs. on the other hand i read here: replaced-url
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1894[20:38:17] <sney> ,file certs/ca-certificates.crt
1895[20:38:21] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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1897[20:39:09] <Gramcor> its not here: replaced-url
1898[20:39:13] <Gramcor> or dpkg -L
1899[20:39:16] <sney> Gramcor: since the manpage you're citing is from jessie, that's probably something that debian just doesn't ship anymore.
1900[20:39:43] <Gramcor> how can i check in my system what installed this file?
1901[20:40:08] <sney> ,file certs/ca-certificates.crt --release jessie
1902[20:40:08] <greycat> if dpkg -S doesn't show it, then it's probably left over from a prior release
1903[20:40:11] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
1904[20:40:29] <greycat> or it is/was a generated file, not shipped in a package
1905[20:40:35] <sney> or you concatenated them yourself in 2016 and forgot since then
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1908[20:40:51] <Gramcor> doing man update-ca-certificates in my debian 10, also lists this file. its not for jessie only
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1910[20:41:13] <Gramcor> also i installed debian 10 directly without upgrade
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1913[20:41:19] <greycat> well, it sounds like it's generated by update-ca-certificates then
1914[20:41:52] <Gramcor> is update-ca-certificates auto-run? i haven't installed this package manually or run it
1915[20:41:53] <greycat> NAME
1916[20:41:53] <greycat> update-ca-certificates - update /etc/ssl/certs and ca-certificates.crt
1917[20:42:03] <greycat> looks pretty straightforward
1918[20:43:00] <jmcnaught> Some more info in /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian
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1945[21:34:20] <ws2k3> im trying to use find to list all files/folders in a directory but exclude one directory. would this be a option?: find /GlusterImages -path .glusterfs -prune i would like to pipe this to another command
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1947[21:35:12] <ws2k3> when i run the command the proces keeps on using cpu but nothing is shown so im not sure if im doing it right
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1963[21:48:30] <imMute> ws2k3: it's probably still searching. are you wanting to descend into subdirectories, or just list files/folders in the top level?
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1969[21:52:39] <ccc> I return. Nyx is up now!
1970[21:52:50] <ws2k3> imMute: i found that i needed to add -o -print so that it shows the listings so then the command is fine
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1972[21:53:08] <imMute> ws2k3: find prints the filenames by default...
1973[21:53:30] <ccc> Wrong channel! Sorry!
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1975[21:54:02] <imMute> ws2k3: I'm guessing you don't want the -prune on there.
1976[21:54:21] <ws2k3> imMute: i Dont want to show that directory
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1978[21:56:17] <imMute> do you want to descend into other directories in /GlusterImages though?
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2013[22:53:50] <Gramcor> my vps has this in /etc/resolv.conf , replaced-url
2014[22:54:16] <Gramcor> i was thinking of changing the nameserver to google: 8.8.8.8 , but i am worried if i lose connectivity
2015[22:54:40] <sney> you can have multiple nameserver entries, so put google's first and leave the existing one below it as a backup
2016[22:54:41] <greycat> the worst that can happen is name lookups stop working. you won't lose connections.
2017[22:54:47] <Gramcor> if they resolve hostnames that are not found in google dns resolver, only in their own
2018[22:55:26] <imMute> Gramcor: also, why do you want to use Google's resolver? the one listed is run by grnet so it's likely "closer" to your VPS than googles
2019[22:56:08] <qman__> it also may not send all your lookups to google's spying operation
2020[22:56:09] <oxek> plus google is problematic for a number of reasons
2021[22:56:22] <Gramcor> imMute, well cloudflare 1.1.1.1 is usually faster, so i wanted to use that mainly
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2023[22:56:51] <imMute> Gramcor: ah. well see what sney said about having multiple nameservers.
2024[22:57:04] <Gramcor> imMute, yes i forgot about that option
2025[22:57:13] <oxek> is there a limit on how many nameserver lines one can have in /etc/resolv.conf?
2026[22:57:19] <Gramcor> also are those 2 entries in the start necessary? i have never seen them before
2027[22:57:20] <greycat> 3
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2029[22:57:33] <Gramcor> domain and search
2030[22:57:41] <imMute> Gramcor: they're not, but they can be useful.
2031[22:57:47] <greycat> dress in colon (and possibly dot) notation as per RFC 2373. Up
2032[22:57:47] <greycat> to MAXNS (currently 3, see <resolv.h>) name servers may be
2033[22:58:03] <imMute> Gramcor: they let you use hostnames like "foo" instead of the full "foo.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr."
2034[22:58:06] <oxek> greycat: I just checked the manpage, forgot that `man resolv.conf` exists. Thanks.
2035[22:58:32] <sney> pre-populated stuff from your vps provider should usually be left alone, you don't know what bonkers duct tape they have behind the scenes
2036[22:58:44] <oxek> seems quite limiting, should be more than 3 ideally
2037[22:59:23] <greycat> You're not supposed to be using such unreliable DNS resolvers that you need more than 2 fallbacks.
2038[23:00:10] <oxek> I guess I'm just misusing DNS - some resolvers only resolve some DNS queries, so need more than 3
2039[23:00:20] <oxek> it's not about reliability then
2040[23:00:22] <Gramcor> so should it be: nameserver: 1.1.1.1 8.8.8.8
2041[23:00:27] <Gramcor> or two seperate lines
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2043[23:00:34] <greycat> That's not how this works. If one of them says "no such domain", it does NOT move on to seek another opinion.
2044[23:00:55] <oxek> greycat: they timeout instead of NXDOMAIN
2045[23:01:01] <imMute> oxek: for complex situations you might be better to run a resolver on the system and point resolv.conf at that. resolver software is much more configurable than the libc resolver.
2046[23:01:02] <greycat> Fucking hell, WHY WOULD YOU USE THAT
2047[23:01:03] * ryouma assumes without evidence that cloudflare's spying and annoy-users operation is around equal to google's
2048[23:01:13] <oxek> greycat: wasn't my invention
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2050[23:01:33] <greycat> so every time you do something, there is a 30 or 60 or 90 second delay before it finally starts?
2051[23:01:45] <greycat> and you consider this normal?
2052[23:02:19] <oxek> on that particular machine, with that setup, it indeed is considered normal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2053[23:03:10] <oxek> timeouts are considered safer, because "what if NXDOMAIN is not actually true..." (a quote from the person who set it up)
2054[23:03:27] <greycat> this is *on purpose*? fuck.
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2061[23:09:03] <Gramcor> ok so i want to change /etc/resolv.conf (in /etc/net/interfaces the interfaces are auto configured by the network), so probably whatever i do to that file will be altered.
2062[23:09:09] <Gramcor> replaced-url
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2064[23:09:27] <Gramcor> is this the suggested one? putting resolvconf=NO in the /etc/resolvconf.conf file.
2065[23:09:31] <Gramcor> seems the safest bet
2066[23:11:30] <imMute> depends on how resolv.conf gets modified. there's a bunch of different ways that can happen on debian depending on what networking config software you use.
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2068[23:12:19] <Gramcor> or i can make the file immutable
2069[23:12:25] <Gramcor> but it says there is a bug
2070[23:12:30] <oxek> immuntable is the dirty way of doing it, but it works
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2072[23:13:44] <Gramcor> how can i check what modifies the file?
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2079[23:16:52] <oxek> Gramcor: ideally, the software would add a comment as the first line of /etc/resolv.conf
2080[23:17:05] <oxek> such as # Generated by NetworkManager
2081[23:17:23] <Gramcor> it doesn't unfortunately. and i don't have network manager installed
2082[23:17:33] <Gramcor> just auto eth0, in /etc/network/interfaces
2083[23:17:55] <oxek> was just an example. There's systemd-resolvd, openresolv, resolvconf, NetworkManager, and plenty more
2084[23:18:11] <oxek> or none of them, and it's all done manually
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