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3 [00:11:45] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
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6 [00:12:13] <neilthereildeil> there are 2 main types of nvidia drivers, right? the noveau opensource one, and the nvidia proprietary one, right?
7 [00:12:34] <Mister00X> from what i know yes
8 [00:12:43] <sney> correct
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10 [00:13:11] <neilthereildeil> so i was running noveau, and i THINK i installed the nvidia driver, but lsmod doesnt list "nvidia" however, glxinfo shows hardware rendering. whats going on?
11 [00:13:33] <sney> modern nouveau can do hardware rendering. you probably installed the firmware to support it.
12 [00:14:26] <neilthereildeil> lsmod shows neither nvidia nor nouveau
13 [00:14:51] <neilthereildeil> but i still see apt install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
14 [00:15:15] <neilthereildeil> i doubt nvidia is statically linked into the kenrl because its tainted...
15 [00:15:42] <sney> you're probably misinterpreting glxinfo output, or lsmod output
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17 [00:16:37] <sney> if you want more information you're going to have to share a pastebin.
18 [00:17:19] <neilthereildeil> so lspci -k -vvv shows: Kernel modules: nvidia
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20 [00:18:05] <neilthereildeil> replaced-url
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23 [00:19:12] <sney> i915 is loaded. that's intel graphics. this is probably an optimus system.
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26 [00:21:07] <neilthereildeil> ahh right this is the whole switchable graphics thing, right? where i have an integrated GPU in my CPU die, and then a discrete GPU?
27 [00:21:18] <sney> right
28 [00:21:37] <neilthereildeil> but why does lspci show nvidia module is in use?
29 [00:22:13] <sney> because you have the nvidia driver and nvidia hardware, so the driver loads. that doesn't make your gui use it, but it's still loaded
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31 [00:22:46] <neilthereildeil> why doesnt lsmod show nvidia then?
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33 [00:23:34] <sney> ah, sorry, "kernel modules" in lspci just reports the supported drivers on disk. if it was in use it would be listed as "kernel driver in use"
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35 [00:23:50] <neilthereildeil> ahhh ok
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37 [00:24:55] <neilthereildeil> so how can i start using it?
38 [00:26:35] <sney> replaced-url
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41 [00:27:25] <neilthereildeil> thank you
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62 [01:01:27] <Abbott> I'm trying to install vapoursynth-editor from deb-multimedia, but when I run it I get: vsedit: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Core.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
63 [01:01:45] <Abbott> I'm trying to figure out if this is an issue with forwarding X over ssh or if it's an issue with vapoursynth-editor
64 [01:02:12] <Abbott> I'm on buster, btw, in case my questions earlier suggested I wasn't
65 [01:02:45] <sney> ,file libQt5Core.so.5
66 [01:02:58] <judd> Search for libQt5Core.so.5 in buster/amd64: libqt5core5a: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
67 [01:03:07] <sney> do you have that package installed?
68 [01:03:11] <Abbott> I do
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71 [01:03:27] <Abbott> I also actually have that so in /usr/lib/x86-whatever as well
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74 [01:04:16] <sney> on both machines?
75 [01:04:24] <Abbott> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
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77 [01:04:47] <Abbott> oh I don't have qt on the host machine
78 [01:05:09] <Abbott> shouldn't forwarding x just mean the display is forwarded? I shouldn't need anything locally, I thought
79 [01:05:39] <sney> I always forget which end needs which, I don't use forwarding often
80 [01:05:58] <sney> but if it's hitting you with a "no such file or directory" that implies that it's looking on the machine that doesn't have it
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82 [01:07:43] <Abbott> I'm running vapoursynth on debian wsl and I'm sshing in from a gentoo computer, so I'm not sure I could get it to work not over ssh. I'll try running it directly in the wsl to see if the issue persists, at least
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86 [01:13:27] <Abbott> ok I ran in the WSL and it gave the same library error
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88 [01:13:52] <Abbott> so I think there's some linking issue
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169 [03:19:27] <matttt> How can I capture exactly 1000 lines of data from a /dev/ttyUSB1 ?
170 [03:21:54] <matttt> I can see the data using cat, but how might I pipe to file and stop after 1000 lines?
171 [03:22:50] <Ark74> head -n 1000
172 [03:22:51] <Ark74> ??
173 [03:25:14] <matttt> Ark74, thank you. works perfectly.
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176 [03:29:35] <awal1> matttt, you talk about user terminal emulators (xterminal, terminator...) or about tty?
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179 [03:32:39] <awal1> if terminal emulators, just check settings and disable limit at 1000 or any number you find there
180 [03:33:33] <awal1> if tty, modify kernel bcon parameter in /etc/default/grub
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182 [03:34:04] <awal1> ^ fbcon
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184 [03:38:45] <awal1> matttt, me I have a line in that file as follow GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="fbcon=scrollback:10240k"
185 [03:39:09] <awal1> check replaced-url
186 [03:42:48] <awal1> hm, i think i misunderstood your question :D
187 [03:42:56] <awal1> anyway...
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189 [03:45:30] <awal1> lol, but someone can learn from what i said (to set unlimited scrolling on tty)
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217 [05:06:38] <neilthereildeil> Hey guys
218 [05:06:59] <neilthereildeil> I'm tryna get my discrete nvidia gpu in my laptop working but I'm having trouble
219 [05:07:18] <neilthereildeil> Am I supposed to create an xorg.conf?
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222 [05:09:14] <neilthereildeil> Sry I got disconnected
223 [05:09:39] <neilthereildeil> How can I load the nvidia proprietary driver?
224 [05:10:18] <neilthereildeil> Modprobe says it can't find the nvidia driver
225 [05:11:34] <jmcnaught> If it is optimus with hybrid graphics (also has an integrated GPU) then you need to follow instructions from: replaced-url
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238 [05:43:45] <dvs> !wb
239 [05:43:45] <dpkg> thanks, dvs. It's good to be back.
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287 [07:45:25] <ynezz> hi, I was using debian testing so far to get gcc 8, 9 and 10 for CI purposes, but it seems like gcc-8 was removed few weeks ago, what are my options now?
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289 [07:47:12] <nkuttler> ,v gcc-8
290 [07:47:14] <judd> Package: gcc-8 on amd64 -- buster: 8.3.0-6
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293 [07:47:51] <ynezz> indeed, it's only possible to have gcc-8 on buster
294 [07:49:03] <ynezz> so with backports I can have gcc-9 and 10, but not gcc-8 on buster due to 'libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-8-dev (< 8.4.0-2~) but 8.3.0-6 is to be installed'
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310 [08:32:09] <themill> ynezz: the release team tries to have only one version of gcc in each release if at all possible. gcc packages are not typically included in backports
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358 [09:43:06] <PaulFertser> Hi. paste.debian.net expired?
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360 [09:44:44] <aminvakil> PaulFertser: no
361 [09:45:06] <aminvakil> its certificate is valid for another month (until March 30)
362 [09:45:30] <PaulFertser> aminvakil: I'm talking about the domain name itself. whois returns nothing, and both google and cloudflare resolvers do not resolve it.
363 [09:46:03] <aminvakil> whois paste.debian.net does not mean anything
364 [09:46:13] <aminvakil> whois debian.net returns whois information correctly
365 [09:46:17] <aminvakil> also it resolves correctly
366 [09:46:35] <PaulFertser> Hm, silly me, indeed, 3rd level domain.
367 [09:46:59] <aminvakil> sorry, you're right
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370 [09:47:12] <aminvakil> 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 does not return ip indeed
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386 [10:07:28] <inerkick> Hi. I'm using Peppermint10 which is based on Debian. I was having low space in my disk and had trouble logging in. It was at one point giving me blank screen with blinking cursor. I cleaned the files , autoclean, and upgraded as well as updated. But I think the packages got removed, The issue is that I can't get the login window as well as the display seems odd. Kindly help
387 [10:08:59] <inerkick> screen is something like that replaced-url
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389 [10:11:51] <PaulFertser> aminvakil: so will you contact whomever handles that?
390 [10:13:21] <PaulFertser> debian.net zone is handled by NS servers not belonging to the project.
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392 [10:15:01] <Guest63110> !tell inerkick about peppermint
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397 [10:29:37] <N3X15> Anyone else seeing crashes relating to non-existent libboost_system.so.1.62.0 in libtorrent on buster?
398 [10:30:21] <sussudio> if only there were a bug section on debian.org
399 [10:30:40] <N3X15> I'm asking here to make sure it's not a syste4m-specific quirk.
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401 [10:30:56] <sussudio> !bugs
402 [10:31:06] <sussudio> hm.
403 [10:32:08] <sussudio> replaced-url
404 [10:32:16] <milkt> !bts
405 [10:32:16] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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407 [10:32:52] <N3X15> Again, I am asking to ensure I do not file a bug report about something that may only exist on my system.
408 [10:33:24] <milkt> N3X15: can you provide more detail
409 [10:36:10] <sussudio> just google libboost_system.so.1.62.0
410 [10:36:13] <N3X15> I'm trying to install deluged, which is throwing errors caused by libtorrent trying to use libboost_system.so.1.62.0. I'm using libtorrent20 0.13.7-1 from buster/main
411 [10:36:47] <N3X15> Only available libboost-system appears to be 1.67.0
412 [10:37:34] <N3X15> I talked to the deluge devs and they suggested a packaging issue
413 [10:37:54] <aminvakil> PaulFertser: i don't where should i report this
414 [10:38:03] <N3X15> I'd like to eliminate anything stupid on my end before I start sending emails, though.
415 [10:38:21] <PaulFertser> aminvakil: I know who handles paste.debian.net but do not know about the debian.net NS.
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417 [10:38:57] <aminvakil> neither me
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426 [10:50:11] <ratrace> N3X15: there's 3 versions of it in buster
427 [10:50:25] <ratrace> ,v libboost-system1.67.0
428 [10:50:26] <judd> Package: libboost-system1.67.0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1
429 [10:50:29] <ratrace> ,v libboost-system1.71.0
430 [10:50:30] <judd> Package: libboost-system1.71.0 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.71.0-6~bpo10+1; sid: 1.71.0-7+b2
431 [10:50:40] <ratrace> ,v libboost-system1.74.0
432 [10:50:41] <judd> Package: libboost-system1.74.0 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.74.0-8~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.74.0-8; sid: 1.74.0-8
433 [10:50:50] <ratrace> ah, sorry, the other two are backports
434 [10:51:22] <ratrace> N3X15: question is, did you apt update before trying to install?
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441 [11:02:32] <N3X15> OK, is there a way to tell if the libtorrent I have installed is from the debian package or from an ancient self-compile I did at 4AM and don't remember?
442 [11:03:21] <PaulFertser> N3X15: if you self-compile the usual way it should end up in /usr/local , so with ldd <any libtorrent app> it's easy to tell.
443 [11:04:01] <N3X15> Well, deluge is Python so I'd have to figure out where the pyd or whatever is
444 [11:04:04] <PaulFertser> N3X15: and if you self-compile often, check everything in /usr/local just in case, probably there's plenty of stuff you do not need there by now.
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446 [11:05:20] <N3X15> PaulFertser, you were right, found a bunch of libtorrent stuff in there. Thanks.
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454 [11:23:24] <GNU\colossus> if you installed from packages, `dpkg --get-selections '*libtorrent*'` should also yield something. note that that would not imply that it's not the stuff in /usr/local instead that is getting linked at runtime.
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456 [11:23:40] <ratrace> N3X15: with apt-cache policy, you'll see the three stars marking the installed package
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484 [12:32:08] <faLUKE> hello. Is there a specific reason for which there are not matrix chat clients in the official/extra debian repos?
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488 [12:34:52] <Mister00X> faLUKE: There is quaternion in debian
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492 [12:36:17] <faLUKE> Mister00X: thanks. It seems to me that this protocol is a bit discouraged in debian world. Am I wrong?
493 [12:37:09] <Mister00X> faLUKE: no it seems that a lot of those clients use (not sure about the right name) minified java which seem to be a real hassle to package
494 [12:37:33] <faLUKE> Mister00X: I see
495 [12:38:12] <Mister00X> faLUKE: you may have a look at #866502
496 [12:38:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
497 [12:39:15] <Guest63110> java or electron, both horrible to package
498 [12:39:40] <faLUKE> Guest63110: yes, I know. I consider java obsolete and against FOSS
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500 [12:40:20] <Mister00X> faLUKE: for element there exists a flatpak which seems to run fine. I modified some of it's access rights with flatseal though
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504 [12:43:10] <faLUKE> Mister00X: I wonder if I can join a matrix group through an irc client
505 [12:43:25] <faLUKE> (I'm using konversation as irc client)
506 [12:43:50] <Mister00X> faLUKE: yes #matrix on freenode is mirrored into the matrix network.... no wait the other way round
507 [12:43:59] <milkt> faLUKE: think "weechat" support matrix protocol with "weechat-matrix"
508 [12:44:36] <milkt> correction, weechat-matrix is not available as package, probably avilable from github or something
509 [12:45:01] <milkt> in bullseye or sid though
510 [12:45:02] <faLUKE> milkt: I don't see weechat-matrix in the pkgs list (I'm using ubuntu)
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513 [12:45:26] <milkt> yeah not in buster
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517 [12:47:34] <faLUKE> I know it's off topic, but which _packaged_ irc client with matrix support can I use on ubuntu?
518 [12:48:39] <Mister00X> faLUKE: well there should be a snap for that
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520 [12:49:38] <shtrb> !ubuntu
521 [12:49:38] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
522 [12:50:26] <faLUKE> shtrb: please don't repeat what I just said
523 [12:50:48] <shtrb> I thought you meant offtopic because of matrix :P
524 [12:51:07] <faLUKE> Mister00X: thanks. snap which-pkg ?
525 [12:51:18] * Mister00X has no idea
526 [12:51:37] <shtrb> but pidgin/haze + purple-matrix (not packages must be built searatly ) can do the job.
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528 [12:52:14] <faLUKE> shtrb: do you mean that purple-matrix must be build separately ?
529 [12:52:42] <shtrb> From what I remember (yes) , there had been purple-matrix package but I think it is outdated
530 [12:53:15] <faLUKE> shtrb: then it's not good for me
531 [12:53:26] <faLUKE> I'm searching for a packaged one
532 [12:53:54] <shtrb> Packaged and in the repositories or just packaged as deb ?
533 [12:54:18] <shtrb> also replaced-url
534 [12:56:16] <faLUKE> shtrb: it's alpha
535 [12:56:40] <faLUKE> shtrb: a deb pkg is enough
536 [12:56:43] <faLUKE> (for me)
537 [12:56:46] <shtrb> faLUKE, I was wrong I see that replaced-url
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539 [12:57:30] <faLUKE> shtrb: thank you very much, let's try
540 [13:02:47] <faLUKE> bbl
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573 [14:17:46] <Gramcor> i have setup a vps server with nginx, which i want it to auto-upgrade every week (as i rarely login) for patches etc (security mostly). i have been told i can use unattended-upgrades script, which i would need to modify 2 files and also 2 systemd timers. wouldn't it be more simple to use the cron script specified at the last post here? replaced-url
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575 [14:18:00] <Gramcor> can anyone offer any pros/cons to those two methods?
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580 [14:24:48] <Antoine|> Hello, I see there is a security issue on docker.io. Is it enough to upgrade the package or should I restart the service once it's upgraded?
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608 [15:17:14] <aminvakil> Antoine|: it will restart the service once it's updated itself
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610 [15:18:20] <aminvakil> Gramcor: replaced-url
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612 [15:19:09] <Gramcor> aminvakil, the unattended-upgradees used systemd timers
613 [15:19:29] <Gramcor> mu question was mostly if i should use that complex python script or my own simple bash script
614 [15:19:38] <Gramcor> and just do apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot once a week
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617 [15:20:39] <aminvakil> Gramcor: i thought you're asking about differences between systemd timers and cron
618 [15:21:22] <Gramcor> no i will use either unattended-upgrades or a bash script (either as timer or cron), to dist-upgrade my system once a week
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620 [15:21:46] <Gramcor> and since the bash script is much more simple, was asking if there are any downsides
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623 [15:22:08] <aminvakil> i don't use unattended-upgrades myself and i don't upgrade my servers automatically, but if i were to, i would read unattended-upgrades script to see what benefit it gives to me (as i guess there is probably)
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625 [15:23:25] <Gramcor> aminvakil, also regarding timers:
626 [15:23:37] <Gramcor> apt-daily.timer, which via apt-daily.service calls /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily update to update the package lists (apt-get update)
627 [15:23:58] <Gramcor> to enable that timer, do i do: systemctl enable apt-daily.timer or i enable its service? apt-daily.service
628 [15:24:05] <Gramcor> i am unsure which triggers the other
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632 [15:25:05] <slimefoot> the timer periodically invokes the service
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637 [15:26:47] <aminvakil> its timer
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639 [15:27:25] <Gramcor> i see thanks
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662 [15:52:54] <Gramcor> whats the default behavior of apt-get dist-upgrade when a package gets installed with different config file?
663 [15:53:04] <Gramcor> does it overwrite my changed config file?
664 [15:53:36] <Mister00X> Gramcor: you mean when you changed the config? It should ask for confirmation.
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666 [15:54:07] <Gramcor> Mister00X, yes, oh i see. i will use dpkg option to keep old config
667 [15:54:25] <Gramcor> i think in debian configuration changes that break things are rare in the same debian release
668 [15:54:33] <Gramcor> usually old configs are usalb
669 [15:54:34] <Gramcor> usable
670 [15:55:10] <Gramcor> and another question i have, lets say i run an nginx server, and dist-upgrade gets me the new package
671 [15:55:11] <Mister00X> I think it's somehow the "default" procedure, but not entirely sure
672 [15:55:28] <Gramcor> does the systemd service restart? to run the new executable?
673 [15:56:03] <Gramcor> or will i still be running the old nginx server after the upgrade until i restart the service?
674 [15:56:11] <Mister00X> Gramcor: I dont now anything about nginx but there is this needrestart thing. Also on stable you should use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
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682 [16:04:40] <Gramcor> Mister00X, dist-upgrade installs additional packages
683 [16:04:53] <Gramcor> ones that need to install new dependencies or remove conflicts etc
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689 [16:08:57] <Mister00X> Gramcor: I know. I just wanted to point out that afaik on stable upgrade is reccomended over dist-upgrade
690 [16:09:22] <Gramcor> Mister00X, any reason why it is like that?
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694 [16:12:12] <Mister00X> Gramcor: I think that is because on stable there should be no removal neccesary, but to be honest I'm not sure about that.
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696 [16:12:56] <Gramcor> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ if there are two files in here: 10-local and 20-local with the same options. which one dominates?
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699 [16:14:47] <Gramcor> also should i run apt-get update or apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade my server?
700 [16:14:55] <Gramcor> s/update/upgrade
701 [16:16:14] <Mister00X> Gramcor: I think the first question can be answered by man apt.conf
702 [16:17:27] <Mister00X> Gramcor: And I think the second one is up to your liking
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704 [16:26:10] <jhutchins> Gramcor: Have you done your backup yet?
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706 [16:26:44] <jhutchins> Gramcor: The usual recommendation is to run upgrade, resolve any obvious issues, then run dist-upgrade.
707 [16:27:10] <Gramcor> yes have backup.
708 [16:27:44] <Gramcor> by the way regarding cron. if a cron job stops before it finishes (power failure) and i have anacron installed. will it run again after reboot?
709 [16:28:05] <Gramcor> or it will think it run the cron job even though it stopped before ending?
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711 [16:34:37] <tgunr> On my Debian 10 server using nftables is there any way to specify an interface ip and gateway ip to be used in a rule when the interface and gateway might change e.g. DHCP reconfigures? I suppose I could create a hook script in dhclient that reconstructs nftables.conf but that seems awkward.
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717 [16:46:02] <jhutchins> tgunr: Can you create a reserved IP on the DHCP server?
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719 [16:46:20] <tgunr> nope, belongs to my ISP
720 [16:47:13] <tgunr> and I don't feel like switch to an expensive business account just to get a static ip
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724 [16:52:05] <jhutchins> tgunr: In the early days of public internet, providers had small pools of addresses, and it was expected that connections would be temporary. These days the ISPs expect people to have their link up 24/7 and have enough IPs to go around, so you're likely to have a static address unless you drop your connection for a significant time, and even then you'll probably get the same one.
725 [16:52:55] <tgunr> nope, happened last night, things stopped working cause the ISP sent me a new IP
726 [16:53:06] <jhutchins> Automating it is difficult because the netfilter rules happen before scripts do.
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728 [16:53:20] <tgunr> was afraid of that
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731 [16:56:03] <rajivmars> hi all! i have installed and run debian 10 on 800 gb of my hard disk out of 1 tb. now i wanted to install pop_os in that remaining 200gb space. i just wanted to make sure that any thing bad will not happens to my debian. so, basically i wanted to know if its safe to install that?
732 [16:56:14] <rajivmars> alongside debian 10.
733 [16:58:02] <shtrb> It's safe , as long you do not select to erase the entire disk , at worst you will no longer be able to boot to debian but you could rescue grub and readd it.
734 [16:58:07] <shtrb> rajivmars, &
735 [16:58:16] <tgunr> multiboot or VM?
736 [16:58:49] <rajivmars> multiboot.
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739 [17:01:03] <shtrb> tgunr do you mean that you wish to assign a public ip to your interface (which is provided to you by the ISP) ? or you wish to have your interface to get your new ip that was just assign to your account ?
740 [17:01:53] <tgunr> no, I want to create a rule that uses the public interface IP (which could change)
741 [17:01:54] <rajivmars> shtrb: what if i will make a seperate /boot/efi partition for pop? is that stop that "worst" thing to happen?
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743 [17:03:08] <shtrb> rajivmars, don't do that, share the same partition. the worst thing that can happen is you erasing the efivars or wife out an entire disk .
744 [17:03:36] <rajivmars> shtrb: ok...
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746 [17:04:45] <shtrb> tgunr, do you use a dhclienct or something similar to update the lease ? if you do , you can configure a script that would be run AFTER the ip had changed.
747 [17:05:11] <shtrb> *dhclient
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749 [17:05:48] <tgunr> Thats what I said above, exit hook to reconfigure nftables.conf but wishing there was something I overlooked in nftables syntax
750 [17:05:59] <shtrb> sorry I had missed that :)
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850 [19:08:23] <wr> need to see some chm files on debian, what would be most recommended to use?
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854 [19:09:39] <freem> hello. I know it's more about debian stable here, but has anyone tried debian 11 and experienced weird alignment in `ls`? as in: replaced-url
855 [19:10:01] <freem> shell is zsh
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857 [19:11:19] <wr> found xchm, so nevermind
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869 [19:21:09] <Wulf> freem: are you using /bin/ls? any strange environment parameters?
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871 [19:21:34] <freem> let me check... install is new, but not $HOME
872 [19:21:43] <Wulf> freem: I've been using debian unstable for may years and I didn't see that behaviour yet.
873 [19:22:06] <freem> it seems to be half-random...
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877 [19:22:49] <freem> maybe there's a confusion because of TERM
878 [19:23:24] <freem> the install is really fresh, and minimal too. I see "COLORTERM=rxvt-xpm" which seems strange to me
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880 [19:23:50] <freem> should probably not affect bash ls, without alias forcing colors, though?
881 [19:24:21] <freem> TERM=rxvt, but this one should not cause any problem
882 [19:24:24] <Wulf> freem: ls isn't a shell builtin, usually
883 [19:24:31] <Wulf> freem: anyway, try to use /bin/ls instead of ls
884 [19:24:46] <Wulf> freem: and what happens on "type ls"?
885 [19:24:47] <freem> right. Did that, problem still here, so confirmed
886 [19:25:01] <freem> # LANG=C type ls
887 [19:25:01] <freem> ls is hashed (/bin/ls)
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889 [19:26:07] <Wulf> freem: you could also use strace.
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892 [19:27:21] <freem> for some reason, I have a different number of columns/rows between gnu ls and busybox ls
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895 [19:27:52] <freem> looks like clearing term "fixes" the problem
896 [19:28:09] <freem> yeah, it does
897 [19:28:44] <freem> I guess I'll dig in there...
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911 [19:45:14] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
912 [19:45:34] <neilthereildeil> im trying to load the nvidia drive for my discrete GPU
913 [19:45:41] <neilthereildeil> theproprietary driver
914 [19:46:10] <neilthereildeil> but im getting h error that module nvidia-current not found in /lib/modules/5.9.0
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919 [19:47:05] <neilthereildeil> i dont see any nvida driver there either. how can i install it?
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921 [19:47:28] <neilthereildeil> i already installed nvidia-driver and firmware-misc-nonfree
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933 [19:55:57] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: is it an Optimus system?
934 [19:57:22] <neilthereildeil> yes it has a discrte and integrated card
935 [19:57:29] <neilthereildeil> buti havent ogten to the optimus step yet
936 [19:57:43] <neilthereildeil> imjust trynna get the proprietary driver installed
937 [19:59:09] <jmcnaught> When you installed nvidia-driver were there DKMS errors about building the module? Did you already have linux-headers-amd64 installed at the correct version for your kernel?
938 [20:00:21] <neilthereildeil> ohhh i nne the headers
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940 [20:01:06] <neilthereildeil> need
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945 [20:12:48] <neilthereildeil> jmcnaught: it keeps skipping the dkmc build for my ernel which is a backport kernel
946 [20:12:53] <neilthereildeil> im running debian 10
947 [20:13:56] <neilthereildeil> why isnt apt install -t buster-backports installin the heades for my currently running debian package kernel 5.9.0?
948 [20:14:12] <neilthereildeil> im instaling lnux-headers-amd64
949 [20:14:34] <neilthereildeil> can i specify the header version i wanna install?
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954 [20:15:39] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-headers-amd64 --release buster-backports
955 [20:15:40] <judd> Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1
956 [20:15:47] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-image-amd64 --release buster-backports
957 [20:15:48] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1
958 [20:16:00] <sney> ,v linux-headers-5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
959 [20:16:02] <judd> Package: linux-headers-5.9.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 on amd64 -- buster-backports: 5.9.15-1~bpo10+1
960 [20:16:15] <sney> they thankfully did not removei t
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972 [20:23:39] <maxtim> I have a machine running LVM. It kept crashing because /var was too small. I added an hdd that's smaller, just so the server would stop crashing, until a 1tb drive got delivered. It should be possible to remove the 300Gb drive after I've added the 1tb drive, right?
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975 [20:24:56] <jmcnaught> maxtim: you should be able to use pvmove(8) for that.
976 [20:26:42] <neilthereildeil> ok cool i got the driver to load
977 [20:26:45] <neilthereildeil> nvidia
978 [20:27:01] <neilthereildeil> now how do i check that its being ued instea of the inte3grated intel GPU?
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980 [20:27:47] <neilthereildeil> wait it looks like he intelone is being used
981 [20:27:57] <neilthereildeil> glxinfo shows Device Intel HD Graphics
982 [20:28:00] <neilthereildeil> 30
983 [20:28:04] <neilthereildeil> 530
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989 [20:33:33] <maxtim> jmcnaught, so i'll go `fdisk /dev/sdX` -> `pvcreate /dev/sdXx` -> `vg_extend my_vg /dev/sdXx` -> `pvmove /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdXx`.... does this sound right?
990 [20:34:47] <maxtim> (in fdisk, i would primary, new, partition 1, use all (essentially), change the partition type to 8e, and then write)
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992 [20:35:32] <jmcnaught> maxtim: sounds right, then you would use vgreduce to remove the old PV from the VG, and pvremove to make it no longer a PV.
993 [20:36:01] <neilthereildeil> so if i onlyuse the nvidia GPU, it will kill my battery according to the wiki. cant control power settings from nvidia uilities?
994 [20:36:02] <maxtim> then I can umount and remove
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996 [20:36:43] <maxtim> would I need to create an entry in fstab?
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1002 [20:38:57] <wondiws> Does anyone here know the old pack compression tool? That uses Huffman coding? Is this still available in Debian?
1003 [20:39:13] <wondiws> I want to make my own implementation, so I look for a reference
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1011 [20:44:48] <jmcnaught> maxtim: umount and remove what? LVM is working with the block devices, the filesystems on logical volumes will remain unaffected, only their underlying storage is moved around.
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1015 [20:46:18] <samantaz> Hi there!
1016 [20:46:36] <samantaz> It the data on this page up to date? replaced-url
1017 [20:47:49] <samantaz> I've been trying to mirror the src+all+amd64+i386 repos (so a little over 1TB), but ftpsync already downloaded 1.5T, and is only arrived at packages in "G"
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1021 [20:51:59] <samantaz> My ftpsync.conf file contains the following line: ARCH_INCLUDE="amd64 i386 source"
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1028 [20:56:44] <Gramcor> i read on unattended-updates:
1029 [20:56:46] <Gramcor> Unattended-Upgrade::SyslogEnable - boolean (default:False)
1030 [20:56:46] <Gramcor> Write events to syslog, which is useful in environments where syslog messages are sent to a central store.
1031 [20:57:15] <Gramcor> what environments are those? does it mean systemd environments? that logs appear in journalctl?
1032 [20:58:00] <Gramcor> but i think it already logs at some place /var/logs/unattended-updates/ or something. unless event logs are something different
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1035 [21:02:12] <jmcnaught> Gramcor: I don't use unattended-upgrades but that sounds to me like enabling syslog support is useful for set ups where syslog is forwarded to a central syslog server (by multiple systems) instead of uattended-upgrades merely writing its on log.
1036 [21:02:38] <Gramcor> oh i see
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1045 [21:11:46] <Gramcor> does nginx service restart after an nginx upgrade?
1046 [21:11:59] <Gramcor> or i need to restart it manually to load the new updated binary?
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1048 [21:12:49] <sney> the apt output would tell you if postinst was doing that.
1049 [21:12:58] <aminvakil> Gramcor: it reloads itself i guess
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1072 [21:33:39] <freem> is there is a way to identify which modules are needed to load keyboard and storage? I have a buggy initrd (I probably messed with it at some point) which drops me on busybox because it can't find rootfs, but I can't enter any command in there, since I have no kernel. I would like to "force" embedding keyboard module so that I could at least try to find what's wrong...
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1074 [21:35:05] <samantaz> freem: try to run a liveCD / DVD and do a lsmod in here. From the list, you can search which kernel module is the keyboard one
1075 [21:35:07] <PaulFertser> freem: a USB keyboard?
1076 [21:35:17] <freem> PaulFertser: yes.
1077 [21:35:41] <freem> samantaz: I can do lsmod from the system I'm currently running, it's the same one, just different initrd
1078 [21:36:02] <freem> but lsmod's output does not really talks much to me
1079 [21:36:47] <samantaz> For a usb keyboard, look for "hid"
1080 [21:36:56] <samantaz> lsmod | grep hid
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1082 [21:37:06] <freem> thanks
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1084 [21:37:19] <samantaz> I have "hid", "usbhid" and "hid_generic" in here.
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1087 [21:38:02] <freem> same. I'll try listing those in modules, but I guess that won't force udev to load them...
1088 [21:38:13] <freem> worth a try
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1090 [21:38:58] <samantaz> Have you tried to check that the modules for the corresponding kernel are in /lib?
1091 [21:38:58] <PaulFertser> freem: do you have MODULES=most in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
1092 [21:39:02] <freem> yes
1093 [21:39:19] <PaulFertser> freem: you should be able to regenerate it with update-initramfs from chroot.
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1095 [21:40:09] <PaulFertser> freem: if you run with -v you'll see the list of modules embedded
1096 [21:40:25] <PaulFertser> freem: and then you can compare with what's really needed on this particular machine
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1098 [21:41:42] <freem> well, even if resulting initrd is big, as long as it works, it'd be a start
1099 [21:42:24] <PaulFertser> -v helps
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1101 [21:43:46] <freem> well, modules were listed, and are probably in the initrd, but for some reason, udev does not loads them
1102 [21:44:16] <freem> that's probably something I played with months ago
1103 [21:45:04] <jhutchins> freem: Are you sure it's a good keyboard?
1104 [21:45:12] <freem> I'm using it right now :)
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1106 [21:45:57] <jhutchins> freem: Is there a legacy mode for USB or keyboard in the BIOS/EFI?
1107 [21:45:59] <freem> it's the same system, except, at a point in time I moved to backported kernel. I want to go back to stable kernel, because for some reason I fail to have virtualbox working
1108 [21:46:36] <freem> so I'm basically rebooting and selecting old boot entry to do my tests... and maybe I forgot to copy the initrd... let me check
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1110 [21:48:28] <freem> nope.
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1114 [21:52:14] <PaulFertser> jhutchins: I think once Linux takes over it doesn't matter if the HID boot protocol was used by EFI firmware or not?
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1126 [22:02:20] <freem> comparing the initrd's contents now...
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1129 [22:04:00] <freem> no real difference...
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1132 [22:05:27] <freem> diff /tmp/5.9 /tmp/4.19 | curl ==> replaced-url
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1134 [22:06:13] <EdePopede> anyone has the IP of paste.debian.net available?
1135 [22:06:32] <freem> % ping paste.debian.net
1136 [22:06:32] * dselect tolls a 5-meter-bell over paste.debian.net's head
1137 [22:06:32] <freem> PING p.snow-crash.org (148.251.236.38): 56 data bytes
1138 [22:06:33] <freem> 64 bytes from 148.251.236.38: icmp_seq=0 ttl=52 time=38,453 ms
1139 [22:06:44] <EdePopede> ui. thanks
1140 [22:06:57] <freem> next time just ping yourself :)
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1142 [22:07:43] <EdePopede> # ping paste.debian.net
1143 [22:07:43] <EdePopede> ping: unknown host
1144 [22:07:49] <freem> interesting...
1145 [22:08:04] <EdePopede> seems issues started yesterday already
1146 [22:08:09] <freem> looks like your /etc/resolv.conf is broken
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1148 [22:08:23] <freem> or the DNS server listed in there, ofc
1149 [22:08:38] <EdePopede> because i can't reach a single 3rd level address? i don't think so ;)
1150 [22:08:45] <Mister00X> $ LANG=C ping paste.debian.net
1151 [22:08:45] <Mister00X> ping: paste.debian.net: Name or service not known
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1153 [22:08:51] <freem> 3rd level address?
1154 [22:08:52] <Mister00X> here too
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1156 [22:09:36] <EdePopede> <Pau*lFert*ser> ami*nvak*il: I know who handles paste.debian.net but do not know about the debian.net NS.
1157 [22:09:40] <EdePopede> from yesterday
1158 [22:09:53] <EdePopede> seems to work from some places, but not from others
1159 [22:10:08] <elios> hello. getting 'error: could not get gemetry of root window, exiting' when i log out of a terminal which crashes x-session.
1160 [22:12:45] <elios> or rather X server
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1163 [22:14:56] <EdePopede> hm, also can't reach p.snow-crash.org from here
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1167 [22:17:13] <jmcnaught> elios: how are you logging in? (with a display manager? on a tty?) Are you starting X with startx? X is crashing when you log out of a different tty, or when you close a terminal emulator?
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1170 [22:18:11] <freem> replaced-url
1171 [22:18:24] <freem> I didn't made the script executable, though
1172 [22:18:53] <elios> jmcnaught: yes, i use startx and it's a different tty.
1173 [22:20:41] <elios> (i logged out from)
1174 [22:21:30] <freem> guess I'll just do a fresh install and compare roots at that point
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1178 [22:27:39] <megaTherion> how can I run a single command after boot on Debian 10? Am I forced to write a systemd service file or is there still an easy place like rc.local (whatever)?
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1180 [22:28:21] <jmcnaught> !rclocal
1181 [22:28:21] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
1182 [22:28:53] <sney> a systemd service is the better approach if you want to have more fine control over when your simple command runs, but yes rc.local is still available.
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1184 [22:29:58] <sney> make sure 'systemctl status rc-local' shows it is enabled as well
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1187 [22:31:45] <Deihmos> anyone familiar with cron jobs? I setup a cron job a while ago to also output a log. The log is getting huge. Is there a way to make the log delete after a time?
1188 [22:32:04] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
1189 [22:32:13] <sney> that sounds like your cron job is fine, but you want to learn about logrotate or similar
1190 [22:32:17] <samantaz> Deihmos: You should try to create a logrotate config for that job :)
1191 [22:32:29] <samantaz> log*
1192 [22:32:33] <Deihmos> 5,35 * * * * /home/debian/cskip.sh >> /home/debian/cron.log 2>&1
1193 [22:32:44] <Deihmos> that's what it looks like
1194 [22:33:07] <samantaz> > man logrotate.conf
1195 [22:33:55] <Deihmos> ok looking into that. Thanks
1196 [22:34:28] <EdePopede> Deihmos: i used timestamps to create a new log file every time.
1197 [22:34:37] <samantaz> Logrotate is a tool that will monitor your logfile, and when it's over some age or size it will rename your logfile to *.1, then *.2 and so on
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1199 [22:34:53] <Deihmos> it does not delete it?
1200 [22:34:56] <sney> and iirc optionally compress and/or delete older ones
1201 [22:35:15] <samantaz> Deihmos: it does delete the older ones, yes
1202 [22:35:26] <samantaz> From the 5 or 7, by default
1203 [22:35:44] <Deihmos> man logrotate.conf
1204 [22:35:51] <samantaz> if you look into /var/log, you'll see how it works
1205 [22:36:20] <samantaz> you'll have the current log file (say syslog) and the older version, some of them being gzipped
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1215 [22:47:46] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
1216 [22:47:56] <neilthereildeil> which file should i modify to persist PATH changes for my user?
1217 [22:48:01] <neilthereildeil> .bashrc or .profile?
1218 [22:48:28] <jhutchins> neilthereildeil: For what?
1219 [22:48:44] <neilthereildeil> nvidia CUDA binaries
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1222 [22:52:38] <neilthereildeil> which file sshould i modify?
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1224 [22:53:56] <freem> depends on the shell they use?
1225 [22:54:16] <neilthereildeil> bash
1226 [22:54:17] <freem> but maybe it's possible to override PATH before shell starts
1227 [22:54:27] <neilthereildeil> im thinking. .profile?
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1229 [23:06:49] <jmcnaught> neilthereildeil: if you want to now the difference see "man bash" then the section INVOCATION. tl;dr .bashrc is run by interactive sessions, .profile by login sessions.
1230 [23:07:36] <jhutchins> freem: No.
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1232 [23:07:50] <jhutchins> freem: path does not exist outside the shell.
1233 [23:08:46] <freem> ok
1234 [23:09:11] <slimefoot> uhm... sure it does
1235 [23:09:24] <slimefoot> see e.g. the systemd user sessions - any service launched there also has a PATH set
1236 [23:09:31] <PaulFertser> It does, as any other env variable
1237 [23:09:41] <slimefoot> (might not necessarily correspond to what is stated in /etc/profile, but PATH does exist)
1238 [23:09:44] <PaulFertser> It's just that some programs pay attention to it and some do not.
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1241 [23:10:27] <jhutchins> slimefoot: Where is the path stored if there is no shell?
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1243 [23:11:14] <slimefoot> jhutchins: it's just an env var like any other - what it is set to initially depends on what launches the (user/login) process, e.g. logind or PAM
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1245 [23:11:56] <jhutchins> Environment variable exist WITHIN the session, which is a shell.
1246 [23:12:32] <slimefoot> not necessarily
1247 [23:12:39] <slimefoot> by default yes, but it might just as well be something else
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1249 [23:13:01] <slimefoot> more importantly, as a user, there are various ways to define env vars *before* the login shell starts, e.g. ~/.pam_environment or environment.d
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1252 [23:13:37] <slimefoot> (although environment.d admittedly only affects the systemd user instance - scratch that, maybe)
1253 [23:14:33] <slimefoot> ((then again, the systemd user instance is a good example of something that is not spawned from within the login shell - yet it has PATH and many other user-specific environment variables set as well))
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1259 [23:18:50] <rander2> hello
1260 [23:19:35] <dvs> wat iz it man????
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1262 [23:20:14] <rander2> w?
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1266 [23:24:03] <rander2> hello
1267 [23:24:41] <dvs> !ask
1268 [23:24:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
1269 [23:25:33] <rander2> how encrypt a file in a debian system ? I thinked to gpg, other modes?
1270 [23:26:10] <dvs> gnupg is the usual way to do it.
1271 [23:26:43] <rander2> gpg ?
1272 [23:27:15] <slimefoot> depends on the usecase, but generally gpg or openssl come to mind first
1273 [23:27:37] <BCMM> rander2: yes, gpg is certainly the normal way to encrypt a single file (as opposed to a whole filesystem or something)
1274 [23:28:03] <BCMM> unless there's some specific encryption software you need this encrypted file to be compatible with?
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1276 [23:29:34] <rander2> I thinked to other software to cypher a disk as luks
1277 [23:30:11] <slimefoot> rander2: encrypting a simple file and encrypting a block device/filesystem are two quite different things - what exactly is the goal here?
1278 [23:30:51] <rander2> encrypt a file , but a device too
1279 [23:31:21] <rander2> I know gpg, but I never encrypted a entire device in debian
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1282 [23:32:16] <slimefoot> for devices, dmcrypt/cryptsetup/luks (sorry, I don't know the exact difference/relation between these 3) is probably the preferred way
1283 [23:32:24] <dvs> an entire device is usually done by LUKS
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1286 [23:35:50] * slimefoot .oO(oh! LUKS == encryption method; dm-crypt == device mapping between backend (e.g. LUKS) and device (e.g. /dev/mapper/…); cryptsetup == utility for controlling dm-crypt)
1287 [23:35:54] <slimefoot> TIL
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1289 [23:36:26] <rander2> hope luks is safer than bitlocker by microsoft
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1291 [23:37:43] <rander2> with luks is possible encrypt a device, for example a usb stick?
1292 [23:37:53] <slimefoot> yes
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1298 [23:48:46] <jhutchins> rander2: What's your use case? What are you trying to protect the contents from?
1299 [23:49:52] <rander2> from an accidental loss or theft
1300 [23:52:58] <gniw> does anyone know where i can find a definitive explanation of po4a? i’m looking specifically for how it’s used in man pages
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