7[00:05:31] <jhutchins> It would be interesting if there were a way to scan for modified files and report a list, which could be used for backups.
8[00:06:06] <jhutchins> It would also be useful if someone else had modified the config and youo needed to know which files to look at.
9[00:06:10] <greycat> sounds like you're reinventing rsync
10[00:07:47] <jhutchins> Well, let's say you're a new admin, and the old guy is either not around or doesn'r remember what he did four years ago. (That could be me who doesn't remember.)
11[00:08:03] <jhutchins> I don't think thats anything like rsync.
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22[00:13:38] <Deihmos> i see
23[00:13:55] <Deihmos> the instructions mention backports so thought it was there
24[00:14:24] <Deihmos> is it possible to install packages from bullseye ?
25[00:14:37] <sney> mixing bullseye with buster is not supported
26[00:14:58] <sney> you may be able to use the following procedure to rebuild the newer package on buster,
27[00:14:59] <sney> !ssb
28[00:15:00] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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166[04:05:31] <daniel-s> Hi, I'm trying to setup a raid 5 as the root disk of the system. Suppose that there are 4 drives, each 10GB. Is there a more efficient setup than (say) /boot (512MB) at the beginning for disk 1, then 9.5GB the rest of drive 1 used for raid 5. Then, leaving a 512MB gap on the rest of the 4 disks, and using 9.5GB from each of the remaining for the raid.
167[04:05:52] <daniel-s> It seems wasteful to leave 1.5GB in total unused. Also, if drive 1 dies the system can't boot anyway.
170[04:09:19] <mrjpaxton[m]> That seems pretty typical. What FS are you using for the root, Btrfs? You have to be careful when using that with RAID 5. Also, I'm guessing this is BIOS, not UEFI?
171[04:09:26] <sney> daniel-s: is this md raid? you could make that 512MB /boot partition a raid1 array mirrored on all of the devices
172[04:10:05] <mrjpaxton[m]> But yeah, doing /boot on RAID is indeed a problem. You might want to create the partitions after the install to back up /boot to the drives, or you could even put /boot on a USB drive.
173[04:10:11] <daniel-s> sney: Cool. Yeah, a software raid using the partitioning tool in the debian installer.
174[04:10:33] <daniel-s> sney: Would I need to individually install grub to each disk as well?
175[04:10:49] <daniel-s> So that if the first one fails the system still boots.
176[04:10:52] <sney> daniel-s: that's the approach when using two disks, so it should apply for 2+n
178[04:11:15] <mrjpaxton[m]> AFAIK, GRUB should only be installed to one drive. You'll need to select your boot device from the BIOS (or UEFI settings).
180[04:12:57] <mrjpaxton[m]> So you could have GRUB installed to multiple places, but I don't think the Debian Installer will do that. You'll just have to manually back up, then choose which drive to boot from, basically.
181[04:13:02] <sney> mrjpaxton[m]: standard with any software raid mirror is to treat all disks the same. if /boot is a 5-way mirror on all member disks, then the bootloader should be installed to all of them too.
182[04:13:16] <sney> and yes, d-i can do this. it's in the menu when it asks what device to install grub to.
183[04:13:49] <sney> there is no "have to manually back up" anywhere in this
185[04:15:48] <daniel-s> mrjpaxton[m]: What are the concerns with using btrfs on a software raid?
186[04:16:25] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hmm, well as far as I know, with UEFI, you cannot have /boot/efi on more than one drive, esepcailly inside of a Linux RAID, unless you set it as a version 1.0 superblock (prefix). But, I'm not sure if Debian supports that. I've only heard that being supported on Fedora. So migrating such a setup from BIOS to UEFI in the future is going to be more of a pain.
187[04:16:25] <mrjpaxton[m]> But anyway... the best thing I can think of is to put /boot on a USB drive.
188[04:17:25] <mrjpaxton[m]> You could also put encryption keys on the same USB drive, if you ever wanted to do that. It just opens up more options.
189[04:17:39] <daniel-s> I know that btrfs is supposed to have its own ability to setup raids at the filesystem level, rather than using Multi Disk with Linux, but MD seemed more straightforward.
190[04:17:54] <sney> btrfs's built-in "raid" functionality is full of holes, but if the filesystem is a single volume then those issues shouldn't be relevant
191[04:18:10] <mrjpaxton[m]> Well he's using RAID 5, so he shouldn't be using Btrfs in that case....
192[04:18:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> But I really do like RAID 1 and RAID 10 with it.
193[04:18:44] <sney> btrfs has write hole problems when *btrfs* is handling the raid.
204[04:24:30] <dannylee> i install Debian without grub boot loader...can i still install grub apt-get install grub ...will this mess me up...or is it ok
205[04:25:10] <sney> dannylee: well, it would be apt install grub-pc or grub-efi, but yes you can install it late
213[04:30:12] <mrjpaxton[m]> dannylee: Well, installing grub from APT won't install it into your system. But, yeah, after installing it, you should be able to do `grub-install /dev/sdX` from a Debian live environment, where "X" is the actual letter, WITHOUT any numbers on the end.
257[05:34:39] <dasunt> I may yank the wifi card from an old laptop tomorrow and see if it shows up under lspci. I doubt it'll be supported, but it'll tell me if it is the slot or the card.
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276[06:12:11] <dasunt> But I may have found my mistake - the system originally took an Intel 8260 card. It has a M.2 slot that's PCI-e compatible. The Intel 8260 comes in a M.2 PCIe version.
277[06:14:00] <dasunt> I made the mistake of thinking that the Intel 8260 would go in the M.2 slot. :( Here's what HP did: replaced-url
282[06:17:29] <urk> Would anyone know what the name of the driver is for an Intel network card 2373? Yesterday I was able to get the base installed using the stable release installer, and after running lspci I noticed a reference to an Network card: Intel 2373. I have written Intel, but haven't heard back from them. So far only the testing version of 10.8.0 seems to have drivers that recognize my network card.
283[06:18:39] <urk> A few days ago, someone indicated that the drivers were found on replaced-url
312[06:53:21] <themill> urk: real device ids help (lspci -nn). It's very rare that you actually go and look for a "driver" with linux systems. The kernel normally has all the modules and you might need to install a firmware package.
313[06:53:49] <themill> output from the boot process complaining about missing firmware is helpful too
314[06:57:06] <urk> themill> Stable releases of 10.7.0 and 10.8.0 don't seem to have a driver but its not impossible that it is called something else. Only the latest testing version seems to have the drivers for my network card. Other problems encountered was that the installer won't allow me to write file systems (partitions) to disk if ESI is the first partiion on the drive. For that reason I am putting Linux first, and ESI last.
315[06:57:29] <urk> I need some beauty sleep, but hope to talk to everyone tomorrow. Thanks for the tips on parameters for lspci.
316[06:58:00] <themill> Please stop talking about drivers :)
317[06:58:37] <themill> You may well need a kernel from backports for this particular hardware.
342[08:06:54] <milkt> maybe i should go check source code
343[08:06:58] <themill> There is an Acquire::ForceHash config option if you really want.
344[08:07:08] <milkt> i see, thank you
345[08:08:00] <arwn> is there a guide for installing non-standard software. I want to try out gnu poke but there's no debian package. should i just make && make install it or make a package or something else.
456[11:24:48] <jaggz> on a new install, after install, in x, my network isn't up. I see only lo in interfaces. ip link showed my card, but in down state
457[11:25:14] <jaggz> actually, ignore for now. have to check the eth cable
624[15:44:39] <jaggz> jhutchins, it worked at initial install and boot and function within x. been too tired to check -- I think i moved the system and took the cable out and didn't put it back
632[15:50:32] <tiagozacarias> Hello Debian Users, please help install lpadmin for cups?
633[15:50:34] <tiagozacarias> Good morning colleagues,
634[15:50:34] <tiagozacarias> To sum up the situation, I installed cups-client on debian and I don't have the lpadmin command available after installation. Could you help me?
639[15:54:39] <zykotick9> hdmi sound issue on debian stable (running as kvm VM with video/hdmi passthrough). It's "HDA Nvidia" listed in "aplay -l". When I try "aplay -D plughw:0,7 /usr/share/alsa/Front_Right.wav" I hear "front, front, front ..." until I ctrl+c the command. Any suggestions?
640[15:55:32] <milkt> tiagozacarias: is that command included in "dpkg -L cups-client" ?
641[15:56:05] <thebreadthief> Netteminal, I can see the options standard strict and custom under browser privacy in ESR? about:preferences#privacy
647[16:00:22] <tiagozacarias> Hello milkt it was a silly question even it was included in the package but I saw that the path was missing in the $ PATH variable thanks for clarifying.
651[16:05:25] <gvth> Hi; I have a little problem that might be peanuts to most of you but is very much straightforward to what I have to do at the moment: How do I write a for-loop in bash that iterates on every possible match of a regex pattern, say [01][23] for example. Sorry that I am at the moment to explain better but I hope you understand what I mean...
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664[16:21:55] <StyXman> I'm debugging with gdb a program that uses libstdc++. I just installed the debug symbols, which of all the files should I tell gdb to load?
687[16:42:28] <mzajc> greetings! I have the package libavdevice58=7:4.3.1-8 with pinning priority of 500 from bullseye and 400 from sid. apt policy, however, says that the candidate is 7:4.3.2-0+deb11u1, which is the one from the sid. not sure if that's related, but I have a recompiled version of this package installed with a few flags added. what could've caused this?
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708[17:11:24] <zykotick9> UPDATE - so using bullseye the HDMI audio works correctly. I might see if using a backported kernel/nvidia driver, solves for stable.
719[17:24:09] <Gramcore> Spec, yes. can i force it to reboot every time it upgrades? i want it to run dist-upgrade every sunday at 4am, and reboot. even if the packages don't ask for a reboot, still reboot.
737[17:45:56] <aloo_shu> hey, I'm having a recovery mission: a 26kB human readable xml file that the software had set to 0kB in an unclean quit, on an ext4 fs. I'm feeling like this should be a doable thing, yet fsck.ext4 , magicrescue, testdisk/photorec are not offering any help with this scenario, or I'm missing something. Any suggestions?
757[18:05:06] <Gramcore> Deknos, also i read this: replaced-url
758[18:05:46] <Gramcore> it seems i can use 20auto-upgrades or 02periodic to enable the unattended-upgrades, although it doesn't state whats the difference between the two files
772[18:17:40] <Deknos> the first one can be automatically be created by the unattended package acording to the wiki, the second one by yourself. but i admit i also think it's confusing
773[18:18:00] <Deknos> perhaps the first one is also tracked by the package management as well, and the second one, not.
777[18:21:49] <zumba_addict> Folks, I'm wondering why my debian is still acquiring an ip address from a dhcp server where I've set it to static for years without any issue. It started when I switched to Xfinity. My debian acquired a new ip address but my interfaces file is still showing static ip configuring of the old ip I set
778[18:22:24] <nkuttler> what's xfinity?
779[18:22:38] <zumba_addict> it's an internet provider here in the US
780[18:22:51] <zumba_addict> they give us a modem/router
781[18:23:10] <nkuttler> zumba_addict: are you talking about your external ip?
792[18:26:46] <zumba_addict> it was 192.168.1.107 last night and I was able to ssh to it. Then I pulled the network cable this morning and put it back on after 30 mins, I can't access it anymore via ssh. I went to the machine directly and was shocked with the ip address of .231, LOL
834[18:35:19] <tharkun> IIRC the last time I installed mysql there was no mysq_secure_installation script. Anyone out of the top of his heart will enlighten me on how safe it is to run it and what results should I expect out of running it?
835[18:35:20] <zumba_addict> lan cable of debian disconnected from xfinity modem. I'll get some coffe
847[18:42:57] <zumba_addict> so weird nkuttler. I am not sure how xfinity modem is assigning the ip address to my debian if interfaces file is configured for static ip. Is my interfaces file correct though?
848[18:44:00] <zumba_addict> hmm, maybe it's the dnsmasq process. Let me stop it
849[18:44:15] <zumba_addict> this "/usr/sbin/dnsmasq --conf-file=/var/lib/libvirt/dnsmasq/default.conf --leasefile-ro --dhcp-script=/usr/lib/libvirt/libvirt_leaseshelper"
850[18:45:05] <zumba_addict> but config shows the other interface "interface=virbr0"
869[18:54:14] <zumba_addict> wow, `syslog:Feb 27 11:50:35 sdr dhclient[1324]: DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.231 on enp6s0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67` which process is doing this?
870[18:54:35] <zumba_addict> avahi-daemon?
871[18:55:02] <GNU\colossus> dhclient[1324]
872[18:55:23] <zumba_addict> but why if interfaces file is set to static?
873[18:55:39] <zumba_addict> a bug in debian 9?
874[18:55:43] <GNU\colossus> maybe check who's the parent process
899[19:14:42] <zumba_addict> that's a weird behavior or approach
900[19:15:09] <zumba_addict> i should follow whatever is set in interfaces file
901[19:16:30] <sney> that bug shouldn't affect you after a reboot
902[19:18:25] <jmcnaught> The problem seems to be that it does follow whatever is in the interfaces file. You're supposed to ifdown the interface in question before editing /e/n/interfaces.
903[19:19:36] <zumba_addict> sney=> it doesn't
904[19:20:03] <zumba_addict> i tried ifdown enp6s0 and got an error saying enp6s0 is not configured
911[19:27:12] <zumba_addict> but let me remove the cable again
912[19:30:46] <zumba_addict> wow, it doesn
913[19:31:07] <zumba_addict> wow, it doesn't start dhclient anymore but it doesn't know that it needs to turn interface to up again
914[19:31:33] <zumba_addict> looks like the hotplug is required
915[19:32:17] <zumba_addict> ill ifdown it, restore back hotplug
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917[19:32:36] <jmcnaught> For an interface that is always there you want auto not allow-hotplug. allow-hotplug is for hotplugged ethernet adapters, like USB.
918[19:33:32] <zumba_addict> lol, i ran ifdown enp6s0 and it said, cannot assign address. It grabbed a dhcp ip address
919[19:33:49] <zumba_addict> ah
920[19:34:09] <zumba_addict> i didn't restore it though but it still acquired an ip
921[19:34:19] <zumba_addict> i still can't ifdown it
922[19:34:47] <jmcnaught> Have you rebooted with the new interfaces file yet? Can you make a paste (not a screenshot) of your interfaces file?
924[19:36:07] <zumba_addict> it works fine when I reboot. It uses the static ip address I set in interfaces file
925[19:36:52] <zumba_addict> It fails when I remove/reconnect the lan cable. I know I will never do this but last night, it was making me so confused
926[19:37:49] <zumba_addict> Once I reconnect the lan cable, dhclient starts and it grabs an ip from the dhcp server and not the one I assigned as static
927[19:38:45] <jmcnaught> "systemctl status $(pgrep dhclient)" check and see which unit owns the dhclient process.
928[19:38:47] <zumba_addict> So i did some research and found a solution in stackexchange or stackoverflow that we need to ifdown interface before updating interfaces file. Unfortunately, ifdown is failing on me
933[19:40:22] <zumba_addict> can I systemctl disable wicd.service :D
934[19:40:26] <jmcnaught> I don't know about wicd, but NetworkManager by default will ignore interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces.
935[19:40:47] <zumba_addict> got it
936[19:40:54] <zumba_addict> i'll disable this service, hehe
937[19:41:00] <jmcnaught> If you don't use wicd then I would "systemctl --now disable wicd.service" or possibly remove it (unless it also removes a bunch of other xfce packages or something)
1000[20:25:49] <jhutchins> From what I've seen, wicd either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, troubleshooting it is a waste of time, because NM almost always works these days.
1004[20:29:06] <jhutchins> One of the oddest failure modes seems to be that wicd just doesn't see some cards, even when manual configuration or NM does.
1005[20:29:22] <jhutchins> Back in Lenny it was more likely to work.
1032[21:05:54] <bifunc2> apparmor confuses me. it doesn't block new programs on a system from access to my files/folders. so what's the point? where's the "security"?
1046[21:17:44] <zykotick9> bifunc2: I assure you, I've written no apparmor rules ;) debian is shipping packages that already have rules setup - my example: libvirt (thus far I've been lazy, and rather than correcting issue, I've just disabled apparmour from qemu)
1055[21:22:33] <bifunc2> zykotick9 ok but i still don't get the point of it. let's say i have documents in ~/top_secret/ Won't text editors for instance have access to this folder, even with the shipped apparmor rules? I was hoping it would be more like with macOS sandboxes, where the app has by default no access but only gets access if the user explicitly selects a file from e.g. an open dialog or by dragging a file on the app.
1056[21:22:56] <bifunc2> Am I making any sense to anyone? Maybe apparmor isn't what I'm after..
1057[21:23:26] <sney> debian's apparmor setup out of the box is set to 'complain' rather than 'enforce', so by default, nothing is prevented. it just logs about it. this was so people wouldn't get into the habit of disabling apparmor system-wide when they had problems.
1058[21:23:44] <sney> but it does mean you have to tweak the settings if you want blocking
1059[21:24:42] <sney> more information here, though broadly it's just 'aa-enforce /path/to/profile' replaced-url
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1062[21:25:19] <zykotick9> sney: "nothing is prevented" ahhh that is not what I experience with libvirt's data pool, until apparmor is disabled I can't relocate where images are stored...
1063[21:26:15] <sney> well, that's how it's supposed to be. maybe the libvirt package brought some of its own defaults to the party.
1064[21:26:21] <bifunc2> sney: Can I configure it to make every program (until I change things for particular programs of my choosing) get no access whatsoever to /home/joe/top_secret ?
1065[21:26:43] <agiofws> for some reason i have lost my wifi device the firmware does not load it probably failed via a distro update can anyone help ? my wifi hadrdware is a rtl8821ce wifi card . care to check out my failing firmware i installed through apt-get
1066[21:26:59] <sney> bifunc2: the docs can answer that better than I can, though afaik yes. there's also a sarnold talk on youtube about it, hold for link
1067[21:27:27] <agiofws> for some reason i have lost my wifi device the firmware does not load it probably failed via a distro update can anyone help ? my wifi hadrdware is a rtl8821ce wifi card . care to check out my failing firmware i installed through apt-get replaced-url
1084[21:33:43] <dpkg> Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g).
1104[21:38:20] <sney> that one varies, try it with just the firmware package first, and only upgrade the kernel if necessary
1105[21:38:28] <sney> oh, already there.
1106[21:38:42] <Mister00X> agiofws: sorry the only device on I have that has exactly this card is running sid
1107[21:39:07] <Mister00X> and there are not all revs of this card supported by the kernel
1108[21:39:26] <sney> yeah so just 'apt -t buster-backports install firmware-realtek' and you'll get the 20200918-1~bpo10+1 version that actually has that file.
1109[21:39:58] <agiofws> should i remove the one i have install now?
1115[21:42:22] <agiofws> sney, or Mister00X if i update / upgrade via synaptic will the backports version get removed again?
1116[21:42:36] <sney> I don't use synaptic, but it shouldn't
1117[21:42:52] <sney> you can 'apt-mark hold firmware-realtek' if you want to make sure
1118[21:43:00] <Mister00X> I dont know that either
1119[21:43:45] <sney> apt/dpkg do not officially support downgrading, and no frontend should ever do it automatically. synaptic has been known to misbehave, though. if it does that then you should definitely report the bug.
1120[21:44:02] <agiofws> maybe the backports version unininstalled when i tried to install realtek drivers with out backports
1121[21:44:09] <Mister00X> agiofws: no
1122[21:44:42] <agiofws> ok rebooting
1123[21:44:48] <Mister00X> agiofws: apt will print something like warning downgrades are not supported so you would know
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1130[21:48:03] <agiofws> could you explain what was wrong with the "default" realtek drivers?
1131[21:48:07] <Mister00X> my rtl8821ce only works thanks to a github project.
1132[21:48:29] <Mister00X> agiofws: rtl8821ce is supported since 5.9
1133[21:48:35] <agiofws> isn't that github project only for arch linux ?
1134[21:49:10] <Mister00X> agiofws: no it works on debian sid too just dont use the AUR package but the compile/install script
1135[21:49:17] <sney> realtek releases a new nic, and usually posts the driver to github around the same time. it takes a while for it to be included in the linux kernel.
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1139[21:50:29] <sney> ubuntu has no problem including random github drivers in releases. debian is more picky. so where a rtl8821ce might work in an older ubuntu release, the driver doesn't get into debian until kernel.org accepts it.
1140[21:50:49] <agiofws> Mister00X, why did i not use githubs project drivers ?
1141[21:51:19] <sney> you didn't need the github driver. the code is included in your 5.10 kernel. you just needed the firmware to support it.
1142[21:51:32] <Mister00X> agiofws: because it appears to work since 5.9 for your revisions
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1144[21:51:58] <agiofws> !logs
1145[21:51:58] <dpkg> Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>.
1146[21:52:03] <Mister00X> but mine will be supported with kernel 5.12
1147[21:52:27] <agiofws> don't we ahve the same card ?
1188[22:18:15] <agiofws> but i'm searching for logs from the 21st of November until the 10th of December at least i can't find any logs
1189[22:18:23] <agiofws> thats 2020
1190[22:21:46] <jhutchins> jokie: Buy it from somewhere you can return it easily.
1191[22:23:13] <jhutchins> Most distros don't have the resources for hardware compatibility testing, so unless you can find someone else who already has one - and you can be certain that the manufacture didn't swap out a component - it's really hard to find that info.
1253[23:02:20] <jhutchins> jokie: You might want to see what your tethering possibilities are. Your provider may charge extra, but you'll need another line for a dongle. Some phones will even do WiFi tethering. (I don't think they do Blutooth.)
1254[23:02:43] <jokie> the thing is, I have a laptop with no wifi adapter
1262[23:04:52] <jhutchins> Most smart phones support USB tethering. You connect to the phone with a USB cable, and then enable tethering, and the phone becomes a router.
1263[23:05:59] <jhutchins> Laptops without wifi are pretty rare these days, is this one pretty old?
1264[23:06:20] <Mister00X> My S7 for example can also do WIFI thethering
1267[23:09:36] <Abbott> if I always want to be on sid, can I do something like 'deb replaced-url
1268[23:10:22] <Mister00X> Abbott: I dont know about sid but unstable is for sure
1269[23:10:26] <jhutchins> !sid
1270[23:10:26] <dpkg> hmm... sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
1271[23:10:48] <jhutchins> !debian-next
1272[23:10:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1275[23:11:37] <Abbott> stable is still on linux 4.4 so I figure it's worth staying on unstable
1276[23:11:48] <Abbott> or is that an uncommon idea
1277[23:12:30] <jmcnaught> stable is on 4.19, you may want to spend some time understanding the differences between stable and unstable, it's more than version numbers being higher.
1278[23:13:11] <Mister00X> Abbott: there are also backports
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1291[23:20:01] <jmcnaught> Yeah, they're packages taken from testing/bullseye and recompiled for buster. Not all packages make it into buster-backports, and it's not recommended to use everything from there, but lots of important packages are available there.
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1308[23:47:41] <jhutchins> Abbott: Bug fixes and security issues get patched in stable. The main number may not change, but the debian portion of the package name will.