40[00:44:39] <h-var> I have an issue with printer in debian. I downloaded the driver from debian's repository that says it is exactly for my printer model, but when I am trying to print, it gives an error "filter failed"
41[00:44:59] <h-var> how can I fix this error for the driver I downloaded for my printer from debian's website?
51[01:02:24] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hey, I can figure out how to install Debian with either BIOS or UEFI (or with a GPT BIOS partition), as well as with a GUI or without, but I am still having trouble with figuring out how to install with software RAID 1 and LUKS encryption, since I'm not used to it. Can anyone help? I'll explain more...
52[01:04:07] <mrjpaxton[m]> So I have a USB drive with a folder with keyfiles, let's say "/media/keymaster/hdd-keys/pc-unlock.key" which is a randomly generated 2048-bit key, and that's the ONLY key I want to use. So when I plug it in, I'd like it to automount (maybe with crypttab) and unlock the root Btrfs partition, or anything else specified in crypttab.
53[01:04:46] <mrjpaxton[m]> But then I also want to use RAID 1 with my OS, so I'd have redundancy with the encrypted block storage.
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153[03:09:15] <ectospasm> okee: Are you using the UEFI? Or is it in compatibility mode? I'd recommend not using compatibility mode, then you don't have to waste space on a BIOS partition.
154[03:09:32] <mrjpaxton[m]> BIOS vs UEFI does have its upsides and downsides. Sometimes a few things change or don't work the same way when switching between modes. You can also have a UEFI system with BIOS "compatibility mode" which will run UEFI to POST into BIOS, then continue with BIOS. But yes, GPT always has significant advantages over DOS layout. My favorite feature is actually partition labeling, separate from FS labelling.
157[03:10:42] <mrjpaxton[m]> Then you can use mount options like PARTLABEL="foobar", and not deal with the labelling restrictions that FAT32, ExFAT or the others have.
158[03:11:22] <mrjpaxton[m]> Some people do confuse partition labels with regular FS labels.
163[03:13:46] <mrjpaxton[m]> Also, if you're working with GPT, you want to use "gdisk" every time you'd use "fdisk", but "parted" and "gparted" can work with both DOS and GPT layout.
172[03:17:48] <okee> ectospam> A message appeared in the installer indicating a previous file system created in compatibility mode was present, and I selected the option to "force" EFI
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311[06:20:48] <abff> In a bash script, whats the most robust debian way to identify a file's mime extension, rename the file with said extension, and return the new file name to be referenced later. I have gotten 2/3rds of the way there with exiftool but I can't figure out how to put the file's new name to stdout.
312[06:22:19] <abff> I've also just used `file --ext |sed magic` but it always seems to fail for gifs and will likely fail for other file types
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327[06:40:21] <mrjpaxton[m]> I would ask in #bash too. But as far as I know, a lot of the standard `exiftool` and `file` command options and utilities will work just about the same in any Linux OS. I only know that Debian (and Ubuntu) uses the `mime-support` package which provides "/etc/mime.types". So I am not sure if MIME magic recognition is radically different between OSes. But I'd wager they're all pretty close.
351[07:06:03] <mrjpaxton[m]> I should make a correction and say that once Debian 11 Stable (Bullseye) is released, the package will transition from `mime-support` to `media-types` apparently... Hmm...
352[07:07:38] <abff> oh well
353[07:07:49] <abff> can't wait for this script to break
364[07:20:59] <okee> I seem to be having trouble getting the 10.7.0 stable release installer to detect the Linux drivers found at this URL replaced-url
365[07:22:21] <okee> I tried both of the USB ports in the XPS 15 7590, and get an error indicating it can't detect it. One thought is that the drivers might be buried in a folder than the installer can't detect, but I don't know which if any of the drivers will work with my ethernet card. Dell India support doesn't know anything about my hardware.
366[07:22:41] <okee> I will check with Dell in the morning. They really should put the drivers on their website. All they have is windows drivers.
389[07:57:08] <abff> okee it might be the drivers for your card are non-free? I usually test a machine with debian-live xfce non-free variant if I can't figure out what's wrong. Then once I've pinpointed the exact driver I need I get that specific one and load it over usb during install
427[09:01:02] <mixfix41> compiling chromium on slackware arm. see that the directory i had to update for a patch in the SlackBuild arm-linux-gnu change to arm-linux-gnueabihf in tmp-chromium/chromium-88.0.4324.190/build/linux/debian_sid_arm_sysroot/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libsqlite3.so.0 hopefully i can compile this !
493[10:25:32] <EugenMayer> Hello. Trying to get an entire buster upgrade unattended on my stretch fleet. Seems to work out pretty fine until i get `/dev/disk/by-id/ata-VBOX_HARDDISK_VB6aeffc8f-e0621d34 does not exist, so cannot grub-install to it!` when grub-pc is upgraded. The reason is, i suggest, that i have build all those boxes using `packer` on a virtual-box
494[10:25:32] <EugenMayer> provisioneer and later shipped for qemu and others. no somehow grub has a pointer to the old disk identifier. Can i somehow change this via cli preseed or similar e.g. setting `d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sda` or similar prior runniung ` DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -qy -o Dpkg::Options::='--force-confdef' -o
509[10:35:00] <MegaCarp> i'm having a problem with user trying to login into a xrdp session, if done from windows remote desktop it allows to login, to enter the pw but afterwards it's just a blue screen. from linux (remmina) it's just a mess of a screen or just black. here's what i think is the relevant part from /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log : replaced-url
510[10:35:13] <MegaCarp> it's something about "X server for display 62 startup timeout"
526[10:50:37] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
565[11:57:30] <EugenMayer> Gramcore it can be what ever you consider is public.
566[11:58:15] <ratrace> also a weird choice of words, "permanent"
567[11:58:17] <Gramcore> EugenMayer, so not the internal one i have for the device? like 192.168.1.5
568[11:58:25] <EugenMayer> If it is a box with a WAN interface, you might set this to your WAN ip, thus public ip. If this box is on the private lan, you set this to your private ip. How you obtained your ip does not matter
569[11:58:26] <Gramcore> with netmask 255.255.255.0
575[11:59:39] <EugenMayer> If your box is e.g. 1:1 natted you might have a private ip but set the public ip here. It really depends on what you want the system to think your permanent ip is
576[11:59:52] <Gramcore> EugenMayer, i have setup an nginx server, with a domain name, basically a website, along with an xmpp server. can i just let that /etc/hosts be as it is? 127.0.1.1 hostname ?
577[11:59:53] <tete_> hi, i try to install debian on a 1blu server ... but it seems impossible and i have no idea wtf goes on. this takes me now more than 2 days :E the error is here: replaced-url
578[11:59:56] <Gramcore> or will it break anything?
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581[12:00:14] <ratrace> it's not about a "permanent" IP at all. it's the IP you want the name you put there to resolve to
582[12:00:14] <tete_> anyone an idea what goes on? the .iso i have is correct, i checked its md5, but of course i dont know whats on the hoster side. i did not get an error during ftp upload
589[12:02:05] <EugenMayer> ratrace it is not that easy. if that entry matches your hostname and , the first one in there will become the reverse-dns entry for your system for your own hostname. so `1.1.1.1 foo.org foo` with hostname foo will let the system underestand, that 1.1.1.1 is your rdns entry for your hostname. this makes a quiet a difference for stuff which wants to
590[12:02:05] <EugenMayer> know that
591[12:02:17] <EugenMayer> be it kerberos, proxmox or alike
592[12:02:43] <Gramcore> ratrace, so i should change 127.0.1.1 to the ip i access the machine from the internet (the one i use for ssh etc), and hostname like: gramcore.website.com
593[12:02:44] <EugenMayer> ratrace it does only identify it, if the entry matches the hostname
594[12:03:12] <EugenMayer> ratrace anyway you obviously seem to know it already - not going to argue
595[12:03:30] <ratrace> if the entry matches the hostname, there's no such lookup
596[12:04:01] <ratrace> a process wants to know its hostname. it does a local reverse lookup based on IP it's using, because there could be more than one.
598[12:04:27] <ratrace> then the /etc/hosts entries come into play to tell the process what's the hostname associated with that IP, or else it'd have to do a recursive rdns outbount
599[12:04:30] <ratrace> *outbound
600[12:04:51] <ratrace> so keep in mind you can have multiple IPs, and the hostname identified depends on the IP for which it was looked up by the process
602[12:05:35] <Gramcore> we have been using in linux the loopback 127.0.0.1 or that debian 127.0.1.1 to resolve the hostname. i don't get why anything else is needed. i saw some examples that it might make a difference but those seem like edge cases
603[12:05:48] <ratrace> which means if you have public NAT, the processes can't identify with it because that's not an IP on the machine
604[12:06:21] <EugenMayer> ratrace AFAIK the first entry, if it exists, matching the hostname you try to lookup (well depend on nsswitch if /etc/hosts is used at all) is used as the result for the response. so the order does really matter in there, that is why it is up there in the top
605[12:06:21] <ratrace> Gramcore: depends on the context.
606[12:06:50] <ratrace> first entry, for the IP looked up for
607[12:07:06] <Gramcore> ratrace, yeah for my case for example, i can't find what i should do. the archwiki doesn't explain either, they link the debian manpage
608[12:07:23] <Gramcore> those seem more like opinions that anything else
609[12:07:35] <ratrace> Gramcore: what are you even trying to do? your original question was what that "permanent" IP was
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611[12:08:28] <EugenMayer> Gramcore you configure an arch based server with nginx and ask in the debian channel about what you failed with, while what you fail with is at the very basic of it all. Why do you use arch in the first place if you actually are a learner in that field?
612[12:09:07] <MegaCarp> i'm having a problem with user trying to login into a xrdp session, if done from windows remote desktop it allows to login, to enter the pw but afterwards it's just a blue screen. from linux (remmina) it's just a mess of a screen or just black. here's what i think is the relevant part from /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log : replaced-url
613[12:09:14] <MegaCarp> it's something about "X server for display 62 startup timeout"
615[12:09:47] <ratrace> EugenMayer: I don't see them saying they're using ArchLinux :) and ArchWiki is _defacto_ mostly distro agnostic linux documentation these days
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617[12:10:16] <Gramcore> this is my /etc/hosts replaced-url
618[12:10:28] <EugenMayer> ratrace really? Did i missunderstood him then? Blame me then, sorry
622[12:11:04] <ratrace> Gramcore: eh you actually own random.com?
623[12:11:11] <Gramcore> EugenMayer, debian 10 buster. i dont use arch for servers.
624[12:11:19] <tete_> no one who knows what could go wrong at my debian installation?
625[12:11:21] <Gramcore> ratrace, an example, thats not my domain
626[12:11:30] <ratrace> Gramcore: and the hosts file is not okay. you need your public IP there with both fqdn and hostname entries
627[12:11:44] <ratrace> Gramcore: ah then don't use existing domains as an exmaple
628[12:12:00] <EugenMayer> ratrace i wondered. I rember me asking a ubuntu question for my dang idiot ubuntu zimbra installation back then (i run debian only, only for this box i have to use broken-debian-buntu) .. got fairly burned in here ... understandingly :)
642[12:15:18] <Gramcore> ratrace, and to clarify that ip you used for an example the 123.45.67.8, is the one use use to ssh into the box right? (ssh root@123.45.67.8)
648[12:15:55] <tete_> i can reproduce that - always
649[12:16:37] <tete_> i have that vps for more than 2 days now and i am unable to install a debian .iso, thats ridiculous, no idea what is broken on the hoster side... i never encountered such problems
650[12:16:48] <tete_> and i work with linux now for more then 10 years
651[12:16:51] <ratrace> Gramcore: it's the (probably only) public IPv4 of the server, so it's for whatever public access outside of the 127.0.0.0/8
652[12:17:07] <ratrace> tete_: you should really ask your host
653[12:17:18] <tete_> he says he see's no problem - i should check everything and create a report
654[12:17:28] <tete_> thats why i thought i ask here, maybe someone knows whats causing that
655[12:18:02] <tete_> the only thing i could imagine is a broken .iso
656[12:18:10] <tete_> because of the wierd errors
657[12:18:15] <tete_> or a memory problem
658[12:18:18] <ratrace> tete_: how are you even accessing the console? is this a VPS with a virtual console?
659[12:18:26] <tete_> yes its a VNC
660[12:18:53] <ratrace> VNC to what? I'm not sure the debian installer supports VNC connections
661[12:19:14] <tete_> the VNC connects to the hoster, he has some magic that connects to my machine, i guess its a virtual console
662[12:19:30] <tete_> thats pretty common (at least for those hosters i know like netcup, 1blu etc.)
663[12:20:10] <tete_> i am not that familiar with virtualization, maybe thats already on-board with kvm
664[12:21:31] <Gramcore> ratrace, another question for some reason on my debian 10 system the ipv6 entries are like i show in the paste: replaced-url
665[12:23:03] <ratrace> tete_: accessing your virtual server's console over VNC is anything but common. As for this particular problem ... it does look like corrupt installer. Why don't you use a hosting company with preinstalled debian images?
666[12:23:26] <tete_> ratrace, because i am student and that hoster had an offer: 1 EUR / mtl. for a good vps
667[12:23:31] <tete_> so i thought i give that a try
668[12:23:33] <ratrace> Gramcore: no need, those are just convenience names for IPv6 standards
669[12:23:49] <ratrace> tete_: and this is what you get for 1€
670[12:23:52] <tete_> otherwise i would use my good ol' hoster netcup, but then i have to pay about 10 EUR / monthly for the same stuff
671[12:24:07] <ratrace> tete_: or try hetzner they go as low as 2-3€ and are quality, with preinstalled debian images
672[12:24:09] <tete_> ratrace, hm ya... but maybe its just a small problem
673[12:24:26] <tete_> i wrote them when the problem is not fixed until monday i abort that order
675[12:24:47] <ratrace> tete_: you're expecting too much from 1€/mo hosting lol
676[12:24:49] <tete_> its a 8gb 6vcore system... for 1 eur, thats so sad
677[12:24:56] <tete_> ratrace, thats a special offer
678[12:24:57] <ratrace> just reading that email on their part costs more than 1€
679[12:25:08] <tete_> normaly that would be about 5 or 6 EUR
680[12:25:14] <ratrace> tete_: 8GB 6 core system is a DAMN LIE for 1€
681[12:25:21] <tete_> lol its too good eh? ;)
682[12:25:25] <ratrace> it's impossibly good
683[12:25:55] <tete_> hold on, my bad, its replaced-url
684[12:26:09] <tete_> but still too good - but its a special offer, only valid for a couple of days hm
685[12:26:20] <ratrace> I mean... I'm not saying you won't actually get 8GB of RAM and /proc/cpu would list 6 cores .... but you'd be one of hundreds crammed on the host, in order to gain any ROI on the hardware...
686[12:26:37] <tete_> i create a report, tell them my findings... if they dont get it working until monday, i am forced to switch, because i need a cheap vserver (student) for my project
687[12:26:49] <ratrace> use hetzner
688[12:27:08] <tete_> i write hetzner if they offer special prices for poor students ;)
692[12:29:12] <tete_> i know what you are going to say ;)
693[12:29:16] <ratrace> there goes my asinine attempt to point at the source of monies for quality hosting :)
694[12:29:19] <tete_> and i only eat rice with ketchup :P
695[12:29:30] <tete_> and i live below a bridge ;D
696[12:29:37] <tete_> i get that point... i write to hetzner
697[12:29:46] <Gramcore> EugenMayer, i have been using linux for 10 years or more. i use gentoo on my desktop currently, used arch before etc. never had to mess with the /etc/hosts file. most of these distros also don't give a lot of information about /etc/hosts (or didn't at least). the only real information i found from debian manual
698[12:29:48] <tete_> i still give 1blu the chance to fix that until monday, then i go to hetzner
699[12:30:01] <ratrace> tete_: just one fair warning about hetzner
700[12:30:31] <ratrace> their hardware is good, their cloud offering as well, but otherwise they're zero support. you get the hardware, and that's it. if you had this problem with them, you'd have NO support
701[12:30:51] <ratrace> the only support that exists is for reporting hardware issues and they're quick to fix those
702[12:31:14] <ratrace> that's why they can be cheap AND have quality hardware. they don't waste time and personnnel, everything is automated.
703[12:31:26] <tete_> ok, should be no problem, as long as the hardware and upload process works
704[12:31:42] <ratrace> tete_: upload? of ISO?
705[12:31:44] <tete_> when i upload the .iso to 1blu i always get a TLS connection aborted - so i am very sure its corrupted data
706[12:31:46] <tete_> jep
707[12:31:56] <ratrace> wait... why. they have preinstalled debian images
708[12:32:01] <tete_> 1blu not
709[12:32:07] <tete_> not with kvm
710[12:32:20] <tete_> or i did not find that
711[12:32:20] <ratrace> I don't think they allow random OS ISO uplods. OVH does. with hetzner you can use debootstrap from their rescue env if you really want a custom installation
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713[12:32:30] <tete_> they do, netcup also does
714[12:32:46] <tete_> and that other cheap hoster also does... i cant remember its name
715[12:32:52] <ratrace> pretty much every hoster on the planet offers preinstalled debian images. those that do not .... shouldn't call themselves hosting companies
716[12:33:13] <tete_> i like that feature tbh
717[12:33:29] <tete_> it doesnt matter for me if a hoster provide images or not, as long as i can upload whatever i want
718[12:33:41] <ratrace> you can't get that for 1€.
719[12:33:50] <tete_> remember: thats a special offer
720[12:33:56] <tete_> only valid for 4 days or so
721[12:34:01] <tete_> normaly it would be 5 EUR
722[12:34:06] <ratrace> 1€ are super constrained predefined environments. and you want a generic environment into which you install any ISO? not gonna happen
723[12:34:09] <tete_> or 6 dunno
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733[12:47:43] <EugenMayer> ratrace but there installimage is so useful and powerful - i never had a reason to dare to do so with such a barebone. installimage then chef for everything else
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735[12:49:22] <MegaCarp> i've inherited a server with xrdp and that also makes available over remote desktop windows sessions. how should i go about finding out how are windows sessions implemented?
755[12:59:57] <ratrace> MegaCarp: that's confusing very different technologies in the same sentece, so maybe you should start from the beginning and explain in detail what's the environemnt, what it does, and what do you want to achieve.
757[13:02:13] <ratrace> MegaCarp: unless you mean ... vnc access by qemu-kvm to the VM, and the using virsh to start the display? but that's VNC, not rdp
763[13:07:44] <MegaCarp> ratrace: server's debian 10, DE's xfce. thinclients connect to the server using xrdp. most thinclients are debian boxes connecting over Remmina, using RDP. A few are Windows boxes using WinRD. a thinclient can connect to a debian session using one server local (or remote, actually) address or it can connect to a Windows session, again using RDP, over a different address. I know that both are hosted on a single physical server. I'm very unsure how
764[13:07:44] <MegaCarp> exactly. I'm not sure where to start looking. I'm just guessing that Windows is hosted virtually - but how I check for that? Google says to check with virsh - virsh isn't installed.
765[13:12:54] <ratrace> virsh is just one tool, libvirt shell. virtualization on linux can be done in several way. first, determine on the host if there's a virtualization process running for VMs.
776[13:15:24] <ratrace> eh no... that's the grep itself
777[13:16:01] <ratrace> you could just dump the entire ps -axu into a pastebin, we can look it up for clues. but I have to warn you, that output could be privacy or security sensitive
778[13:16:20] <MegaCarp> i understand, i'll try and sanitize
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810[13:39:15] <MegaCarp> ratrace: any obvious way to find process names for a given application?... or should i just go dig through processes from root and a few important users? FWIW - no qemu, no vbox or virtualbox
1053[17:35:28] <vezult> They support all the latest ubuntu, centos, RHEL, etc
1054[17:35:37] <vezult> debian, they support 6, 7, 8
1055[17:35:43] <vezult> and they seem to be serious about that.
1056[17:35:57] <vezult> the only way I can make it work (that I've been able to figure out)
1057[17:36:19] <vezult> is to use an ancient 3.16 kernel from 8 setting it to the default kernel
1058[17:36:22] <vezult> upload
1059[17:36:27] <vezult> err, import
1060[17:36:47] <vezult> then switch to a modern kernel for each instance
1061[17:37:09] <petn-randall> !enter
1062[17:37:10] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1063[17:37:10] <vezult> that works (so far), but is a huge pain.
1064[17:37:31] <petn-randall> vezult: Check out replaced-url
1065[17:37:41] <petn-randall> I vaguely recall them being there, too.
1066[17:37:58] <vezult> petn-randall: yes, I know they exist. but as I said, I build custom ones for our use, because reasons.
1067[17:38:34] <imMute> vezult: can you build yours off the ones provided by debian?
1068[17:39:02] <vezult> no, not currently.
1069[17:39:59] <petn-randall> vezult: I must admit I never had to build custom Debian AMIs, what technical things are preventing you to boot them? Does it fail on import or when spinning them up?
1075[17:43:26] <petn-randall> vezult: TBH I always used the stock images, and cloud-init to customize them. If you can't go that way for $reasons, you might want to ask the AWS support why they prevent you from booting your custom AMIs.
1115[18:12:43] <ddsys> i installed an older version of kconfi-frontends but the kconfig command is not found. It configured and make and make install just fine. any ideas?
1116[18:14:51] <jelly> ,file bin/kconfig
1117[18:15:13] <jelly> judd, ping
1118[18:15:14] <judd> pong
1119[18:15:26] <judd> Search for bin/kconfig in buster/amd64: kconfig-frontends: usr/bin/kconfig
1120[18:15:45] <jelly> ddsys, which debian release and which version of kconfig-frontends package?
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1168[18:45:59] <sney> consistency with previous debian versions, probably. ifupdown has been the standard in debian since well before the switch to systemd.
1174[18:47:55] <jelly> Gramcore, is there an "eth0" interface at all, btw?
1175[18:48:37] <sney> if you run 'ifup -a' directly, there might be more useful error output
1176[18:48:54] <Gramcore> jelly, its a vps so i physically i don't have access but there are two interfaces (doing ip addr): lo eth0 and eth1. eth0 has ipv4 and eth1 ipv6
1177[18:49:23] <Gramcore> actually eth0 is the ipv6
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1215[19:19:11] <Gramcore> jelly, well this /etc/network/interfaces was autogenerated by the cloud infrastructure i use my vps. i uploaded the debian iso and they generated this file
1216[19:19:32] <jelly> it autogenerated crap.
1217[19:19:35] <Gramcore> should i leave it as is and wait for the ifupdown bugfix? or edit it you think?
1218[19:19:54] <spacedust> why cant autogenerated crap be good in 2021
1219[19:19:56] <jelly> thta depends on whether eth0 exists always or not
1220[19:20:26] <Gramcore> jelly, every time i reboot it exists. it has eth0 as ipv6 and eth1 as ipv4
1221[19:20:32] <jelly> Gramcore, if it always exists, leave auto lines. If it appears after a while, leave just allow-hotplug. Don't have both.
1222[19:20:37] <Gramcore> but i don't have other information on the networking of the vps
1223[19:20:45] <greycat> If it's not correct, fix it.
1230[19:21:54] <Gramcore> so you say only one of those should be allowed only: auto eth0
1231[19:21:55] <Gramcore> allow-hotplug eth0
1232[19:21:58] <Gramcore> and both is wrong
1233[19:22:05] <greycat> it makes no sense to have both
1234[19:22:08] <jelly> that is miy understanding yes
1235[19:22:40] <jelly> do you ssh over eth0 or eth1? :-)
1236[19:22:48] <Gramcore> jelly, well i login via ssh using ipv4 which is eth1
1237[19:23:28] <jelly> okay, then for the time being don't touch nything about eth1, just comment out allow-hotplug eth0 and reboot and see what happens
1238[19:23:31] <Gramcore> also why doesn't ifupdown complain about eth1 also, that has the same syntax mistake
1239[19:23:47] <jelly> no idea
1240[19:24:41] <jelly> ipv6-only ifaces might be managed in a different way. Typically a cheap VPS would only have a single interface and ipv4 and ipv6 both on that.
1270[19:36:27] <greycat> setting up the dot-link files to tie MAC to iface name seems like a really good idea
1271[19:37:01] <Dagger> jelly: I had my interface names change when removing a SAS expander from my desktop (and I had no idea what the interface name was going to be either before or after I removed it), so... yeah. agreed
1272[19:37:04] <jelly> it doesn't work when net.ifnames=0 is in effect, I still have to test if they work without those boot params
1274[19:37:45] <jelly> Dagger, probably the SAS expander had a tiny PCI bridge inside, and why wouldn't it. Your PCI bus changed. You lose!
1275[19:38:56] <Dagger> ah, but nope. it did plug into a PCIe slot but only for power, not for PCIe
1276[19:39:22] <jelly> where did it plug then, just the sas controller?
1277[19:40:18] <Dagger> it was plugged into one of my x16 slots for power, which was enough for my motherboard to split the other x16 slot to x8/x8 even though the expander isn't a PCIe device
1278[19:40:37] <Dagger> and that shuffles the PCIe slot IDs along by one
1279[19:40:59] <jelly> that's something FDO people did not realize might easily happen
1281[19:42:37] <jelly> I would have guessed the other way, that the board detected a just-power device and made one PCIe slot _less_ available, not one _more_
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1326[20:12:06] <Gramcore> sney, i enabled allow-hotplug, and comment out auto. now it works fine
1327[20:12:19] <Gramcore> what does this mean?
1328[20:12:43] <greycat> ... that the interface springs into existence later, not at boot time?
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1330[20:13:02] <sney> allow-hotplug is supposed to bring up the interface when the device is detected by udev. on a vm, your interfaces are virtual, so they should always be there, but apparently not here
1335[20:13:43] <Gramcore> should i do the same about eth1? right now it has both auto eth1, and allow-hotplug eth1
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1337[20:14:00] <sney> you definitely never need both. that much is clear from the interfaces(5) man page.
1338[20:14:16] <terps> Would anyone happen to know how I would go about controlling my gpu fan speed with nvidia driver 460.39? All the pre-existing guides seem to no longer apply on debian 10 or I'm missing something
1339[20:14:17] <sney> and yes, I'd say do the same thing with both
1340[20:15:18] <hendursaga> So, I'm trying to connect to my RPi via a USB to UART adapter and I can't screen /dev/ttyUSB0 because some getty process is running - how do I disable that?
1341[20:15:41] <greycat> ask your OS channel, probably
1342[20:15:47] <hendursaga> No no no..
1343[20:15:56] <greycat> it's Raspbian, right?
1344[20:15:59] <hendursaga> I'm on Debian Stable, trying to disable that service on my laptop.
1348[20:16:19] <terps> my issue specifically is there's no xorg.conf for me to put the coolbits string into I'm not sure how to proceed
1349[20:16:23] <greycat> well, undo whatever you did to enable that getty, either in /etc/inittab if you're running sysvinit, or in some systemd unit if you're running systemd
1350[20:16:33] <Gramcore> commented out auto eth0, and auto eth1. leaving allow-hotplug for both
1351[20:16:36] <hendursaga> I never enabled it - it came with the installation?!
1352[20:16:42] <Gramcore> lets see if i will be able to ssh now :D
1353[20:16:54] <sney> terps: you can put xorg.conf snippets in individual files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1354[20:16:57] <greycat> if it's unique to the ARM versions of Debian then I don't know anything about it
1356[20:17:26] <terps> sney thanks so much I will give that a go.
1357[20:17:36] <sney> terps: xorg.conf doesn't exist by default on debian because modern X should autodetect almost everything. but files in that directory can override little bits of it.
1358[20:18:30] <hendursaga> greycat: No no no... I'm trying to connect to a FreeBSD image running on my RPi - the client has NOTHING to do with Linux, I'm trying to get my host client, Debian 10, to connect, but the agetty process is hogging the serial port.
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1390[20:28:40] <goose> When going to resize a lvm partition, I accidentally did 'lvreduce' before 'resize2fs', and now my superblock for that partition is busted. Any way to fix this?
1437[21:16:49] <sney> Gramcore: considering the situation with interfaces, I think you're going to find lots of stuff in that image that doesn't make sense.
1438[21:16:59] <sney> probably initially configured by someone inexperienced
1446[21:24:33] <mentor> goose: You might be able to reallocate the physical extents back to the logical volume, to be able to recover the data. Assuming they haven't gone anywhere else
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1449[21:25:48] <jhutchins> Gramcore: I've worked in places where production server, like high traffic Oracle servers, had obviouly been built by some Windows admin and had a full GUI desktop installed and active, complete with mp3 player. There may habe been a shortage of cluse among those building the VPS image.
1450[21:27:08] <Gramcore> jhutchins, lol
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1452[21:28:45] <Gramcore> did they have the windows xp wallpaper? the one with the green fields?
1453[21:29:10] <jhutchins> RedHat seems to be pushing this idea. You don't have to hire those expensive Linux experts, any Windows admin can manage a RedHat server farm.
1454[21:29:40] <Gramcore> redhat has gui tools. like ansible tower
1455[21:30:09] <jhutchins> Gramcore: I don't know, they didn't have remote desktop enabled and the one monitor in the datacenter was on the other side of the room.
1456[21:31:20] <Gramcore> how do people become windows admins? are there microsoft workshops?
1457[21:31:36] <Gramcore> never used windows server willingly
1458[21:32:28] <sney> there's a certification program, but in practice they usually get promoted up from desktop support
1459[21:32:40] <Gramcore> a friend who works at a bank tells me all their infrastucture is windows server, and the sys admins can't open up a terminal to do basic things
1477[21:58:50] <jhutchins> When I did it there were $50 books that would give you a pretty good grounding. I kind of picked it up along the way, being the guy who would work on PCs when being paid to tend the printer. The DOS 3.5 manual was really good for understanding the DOS layer, after which overlaying Windows wasn't that hard.
1478[22:01:28] <abff> Gramcore: I mean to be fair if I had to do anything in powershell on windows I'd be 96% useless
1479[22:01:49] <jhutchins> I worked with a variety of systems, from mainframes to Apple IIs and a Commodore 64 before I really started doing PCs, and DOS on PCs. I was lucky to have pretty good knowledge at the point where companies were realizing that no, the receptionist can't manage the whole office's computers and the Novel server.
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1481[22:07:53] <Gramcore> abff, supposedly you can do things in powershell, so those windows admins from microsoft should be able to
1482[22:08:00] <Gramcore> but they just use guis only
1493[22:29:18] <jhutchins> I was a pretty deep MS expert, but my knowledge pretty much quits at NT4. I did a little 98 support for friends, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for it now.
1494[22:29:55] <dfcnvt> I'm getting fuming and irrational. I - do - not - like - Files - application. It's very limiting and I'm starting to hate it. I've tried to see if I can install nautilus but it seem to claim that it's already installed...And yet I can't seem to open nor use it.
1495[22:30:26] <jhutchins> dfcnvt: Are you sure that's not what "Files" is opening?
1496[22:30:58] <sney> customizing gnome is difficult. if you want a gnome-like desktop environment with any kind of different behavior, try mate or xfce4 or cinnamon instead
1497[22:31:32] <dfcnvt> The "Files" aren't going to let you navigate with something like, "/home" or "/etc" It's unsearchable.
1498[22:32:33] <dfcnvt> Here's an example >> replaced-url
1499[22:33:01] <oxek> looks like some gnome3 abomination
1500[22:33:35] <jhutchins> dfcnvt: That's expected behavior on manyh systems - ordinary users don't have access to those, just $HOME
1501[22:34:05] <greycat> Ordinary users can read *most* of the files in /etc.
1502[22:34:21] <greycat> And other people's homes may be opened or not. They're opened by default.
1503[22:34:31] <oxek> if they don't have access, then the Files application should say so. If it hides errors from users, then it's a bad app
1504[22:34:52] <jhutchins> dfcnvt: You're not running a GUI as root, are you?
1505[22:35:05] <dfcnvt> It's smart to curate the dumb user -- preventing any damage to any critical files......That'd make sense why such thing like this exist -- but since I'm a different user...and I'm not liking this type of limitation.
1506[22:35:36] <dfcnvt> jhutchins: No, I'm just a regular user running with any gui.
1508[22:36:30] <greycat> File permissions already prevent damage by not letting you *write* to the files in /etc. But most of them should be readable. There is no reason for a GUI app to hide them.
1509[22:36:35] <dfcnvt> Will I assume it'll have more access if I run with something like, "gksudo Files" or "gksudo nautilus"
1510[22:37:43] <Mister00X> dfcnvt: try other devices it "should" work there
1522[22:42:09] <Mister00X> and there I can read those directories
1523[22:42:44] <dfcnvt> I'll just say it -- Files is garbage, I'm unsatisified. Is there another alternative File Explorer that can gives me an ample functionality with no limitation?
1532[22:44:11] <dfcnvt> Okay, thanks guys. I"ll research and check it out.
1533[22:44:24] <dfcnvt> (Don't know if I should switch to different desktop environment...?)
1534[22:44:36] <jhutchins> dpkg: status
1535[22:44:36] <dpkg> Since Fri Feb 26 12:05:07 2021, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 9h 39m 29s this session, and currently reference 40857 factoids. I'm using about 44468 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.82/0.32 child 0/0
1546[22:56:03] <dfcnvt> ^^ Do it, you'll thank me later.
1547[22:57:31] <sney> that's the cinnamon one? neat
1548[22:57:34] <jhutchins> dfcnvt: I'm ok with thunar. Can be a little awkward on some things, but it gives me the power to totally screw up my hierarchical storage.
1549[22:58:49] * Mister00X uses dolphin, but wont reccomend it for GTK based DEs