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59 [01:12:38] <metbsd> how do i reset the disk? reset it to a fresh installation of debian stable 10.8
60 [01:13:17] <sney> debian doesn't have a factory reset function
61 [01:13:40] <metbsd> restore it like fresh installation
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64 [01:14:07] <sney> are you asking "how do I install debian"?
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66 [01:14:31] <metbsd> ok reinstall then
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68 [01:16:06] <sney> if you want to plan ahead for a situation like this, you can make a backup image of your root partition once the install is finished. you can use stuff like partclone or clonezilla to make the image.
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76 [01:21:52] <n4dir> probably after configuring. Because restoring from backup right after installation and a new installation, not sure if time needed differs much
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78 [01:22:30] <sney> yeah, for the sake of the argument, "finished" means "set up how you like"
79 [01:22:49] <n4dir> yeah, probably superfluous comment. oh my ...
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103 [01:46:03] <fishfox> Hello, I have an older Jessie VM that I needed to start back up, but now I get a 404 on this repo: replaced-url
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105 [01:46:52] <fishfox> Do I need to update my sources.list? And if so, to what? I have tried these two: deb replaced-url
106 [01:46:52] <fishfox> deb replaced-url
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112 [01:49:27] <sussudio> fishfox: jessie is out of support, you probably want to upgrade to stretch.
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120 [01:55:45] <n4dir> "Jessie also benefits from Long Term Support (LTS) until the end of June 2020."
121 [01:55:59] <n4dir> but which year is right now ?
122 [01:56:05] <dvs> 1920!
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125 [01:56:53] <n4dir> :-)
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132 [02:02:19] <fishfox> So I figured out that archive.debian.org has the backports hosted still at least
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136 [02:07:48] <sussudio> yes but they're no longer updated
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140 [02:09:13] <sussudio> replaced-url
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144 [02:13:25] <fishfox> deb [check-valid-until=false] replaced-url
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149 [02:18:01] <fishfox> Basically, I need to get the kernel headers to build a package
150 [02:18:59] <fishfox> I guess that's the real question, how to get kernel headers for an EOL distro
151 [02:20:00] <n4dir> replaced-url
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153 [02:21:42] <urk> Does anyone know how I can fix the release info? I downgraded from Debian Testing to Debian buster, but the release info is still showing up as Bullseye/Sid replaced-url
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159 [02:24:37] <SponiX> urk: I really want to ask why you are straddling the fence between the two. But I am very afraid of your answer LOL
160 [02:26:59] <urk> SponiX> The devel made me do it. Also, I should back pedal my earlier response that there are no problems. So far the only program that doesn't work is xfburn, but it didn't work in Testing either. I will try cp a disk, and look at a new install. AT this point I don't think it will be more work.
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162 [02:27:03] <qwertuttyty> replaced-url
163 [02:27:03] <qwertuttyty> compress_extension=sqlite, compress_extension=txt ,
164 [02:27:06] <qwertuttyty> ?
165 [02:27:34] <urk> I'm going to get a dinner break, and then look at cp a usb stick since the burner don't work.
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167 [02:28:31] <tharkun> qwertuttyty: sorry for my late arrival, could you please state again your isue.
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170 [02:29:28] <qwertuttyty> It's hard for me to understand. replaced-url
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172 [02:30:35] <tharkun> What is your use case?
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176 [02:35:12] <qwertuttyty> replaced-url
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180 [02:40:43] <qwertuttyty> compress_extension=sqlite seems to be true when viewed in statistics sudo cat/sys/kernel/debug/f2fs/status
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183 [02:40:54] <tharkun> According to what _I_ can understand of such document the compress_extension will make such extension automagically compressed when written to the partition which is mounted and specified.
184 [02:41:23] <ryouma> is there a torbrowser-launcher for stretch? torbrowser-launcher | 0.3.2-14~bpo9+1 | stretch-backports-sloppy/contr i have not herd of this source
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187 [02:43:07] <SponiX> ,v torbrowser-launcher
188 [02:43:08] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.3.2-10~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.3.3-3~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.3.3-3; sid/contrib: 0.3.3-3
189 [02:43:34] <SponiX> ryouma: seems there is
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193 [02:50:00] <ryouma> SponiX: yeah what i listed seems to be the same thing? or not?
194 [02:50:18] <ryouma> i have never heard of sloppy/contr before
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202 [02:56:55] <\g> Hi all, I seem to be getting an error when logging into my VM with my domain credentials (Owner@replaced-ip ). I manually created the /home/owner directory for the account (as I forgot to use -m when logging in the first time), but now I'm getting a "No directory, logging in with HOME=/" every time I log in with that account.
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204 [02:57:49] <\g> replaced-url
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206 [02:58:58] <\g> Googling around, most posts say it's due to not having ownership of the folder, but I've already used chown to change the owner to the domain account
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215 [03:05:09] <qwertuttyty> How to understand this (mounted compress_extension=sqlite) "Compressed Inode:"? There is one zzzz.sqlite. file on the flash drive replaced-url
216 [03:05:09] <qwertuttyty> One file on the flash drive zzzz.txt replaced-url
217 [03:05:09] <qwertuttyty> No files replaced-url
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220 [03:07:35] <qwertuttyty> files of different sizes but not empty.
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228 [03:10:59] <qwertuttyty> kernel 5.11
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230 [03:11:25] <\g> Disregard my question, I'm an idiot and should have created 'owner@home.lab'
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233 [03:15:34] <qwertuttyty> Humor or not humor: mount "compress_extension=,compress_extension=",... with all file extensions
234 [03:15:42] <qwertuttyty> ?
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246 [03:24:55] <qwertuttyty> replaced-url
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252 [03:30:23] <deego> On a buster machine, I had a strange pkg "libmicrodns0" installed, as revealed by apt-forktracer. How would it get there? It's not part of debian afaict
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254 [03:31:05] <sney> ,v libmicrodns0
255 [03:31:14] <judd> Package: libmicrodns0 on amd64 -- buster-multimedia: 0.1.2-dmo0~bpo10+1
256 [03:31:29] <sney> deego: ^ you enabled deb-multimedia at some point and got it that way
257 [03:32:12] <deego> sney: i see. thanks
258 [03:32:35] <sney> 'aptitude why' would tell you what brought it in as a dependency
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261 [03:33:12] <deego> sney: neat! thanks
262 [03:33:25] <sney> np
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271 [03:42:08] <qwertuttyty> and what to do? compress_extension=, compress_extension=,... mount with the extensions I need. I understand the option to mount with compression for everything not?
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348 [05:23:25] <blackgatonegro> Hi, Anyone knows what file to manually edit on debian to change the screen resolution? Yeah have to do it this way, as
349 [05:23:34] <blackgatonegro> xrandr not installed.
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359 [05:48:30] <hmir_> my ALT key is dead. Is there another shortcut for
360 [05:48:33] <hmir_> cTRL+ALT+F1 to get to the virtual console
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365 [05:52:33] <Taserface> only one alt key?
366 [05:53:20] <Taserface> get an external kb
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396 [06:39:16] <okee> How can I check the integrity of the Debian boot USB I just made? I couldn't get my system to boot after reburning a USB stick with CP.
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401 [06:47:30] <sofakingwetoddid> is 403 error Generated by cloudfront malware?
402 [06:48:17] <sofakingwetoddid> sry just read the guidelines
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445 [08:09:29] <samba35> for pci-passthrough do we require intel txt enable cpu and chipset ?
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447 [08:11:31] <Taserface> no
448 [08:11:49] <Taserface> what you want (thought not strictly 100% required) is VT-d
449 [08:11:55] <Taserface> aka iommu
450 [08:12:36] <samba35> yes i am iommu but acs cant be enbale
451 [08:12:46] <samba35> on b460 intel chipset
452 [08:13:14] <samba35> but i have old q45 chipsetup which has txt where i am able do acs with same nic
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454 [08:14:38] <samba35> that's why its my *thought* txt is require for pci -passthroguth
455 [08:17:07] <Taserface> how are you checking if ACS is enabled?
456 [08:17:25] <Taserface> FYI I've never seen TXT on the list of requirements for passthrough
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459 [08:18:54] <samba35> lspic -vv
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461 [08:21:02] <Taserface> and what are you looking for in the output?
462 [08:21:44] <samba35> ACSCap: SrcValid+ TransBlk+ ReqRedir+ CmpltRedir+ UpstreamFwd- EgressCtrl- DirectTrans-
463 [08:22:01] <samba35> but nic say UESvrt: DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
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465 [08:23:05] <Taserface> the NIC isn't the thing that needs to be ACS aware
466 [08:23:23] <samba35> ic
467 [08:23:44] <Taserface> the PCI bridge that it sits on (maybe) needs to know
468 [08:23:51] <Taserface> have you checked your iommu groups?
469 [08:23:53] <samba35> ok ,so please help me undersand acs
470 [08:24:20] <samba35> iommu: Adding device 0000:03:00.0 to group 6
471 [08:24:21] <samba35> [ 0.742236] iommu: Adding device 0000:04:00.0 to group 6
472 [08:24:21] <samba35> [ 0.742241] iommu: Adding device 0000:05:00.0 to group 6
473 [08:24:53] <samba35> this are all nic are with same iommu group when i want to remove /passon to guset it give error
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475 [08:25:36] <Taserface> what's the error?
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478 [08:27:54] <samba35> pci,host=04:00.0,id=hostdev0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x9 -device virtio-balloon-pci,id=balloon0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x8 -msg timestamp=on --2021-02-20T07:26:33.931122Z qemu-system-x86_64: -device vfio-pci,host=04:00.0,id=hostdev0,bus=pci.0,addr=0x9: vfio error: 0000:04:00.0: group 6 is not viable
479 [08:27:54] <samba35> Please ensure all devices within the iommu_group are bound to their vfio bus driver.
480 [08:28:15] <Taserface> okay, so
481 [08:30:19] <Taserface> without getting virt-manager to to the work for you
482 [08:30:47] <Taserface> you have to modify your /etc/default/grub
483 [08:31:00] <samba35> i have no idea how to start guest with command line so i use virt-manager
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485 [08:31:04] <Taserface> to bind all devices in the same iommu group as your NIC to the vfio-pci module
486 [08:31:26] <samba35> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.15.0-135-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-lv--0 ro quiet splash hpet=enable default_hugepagesz=1G hugepagesz=1G intel_iommu=on iommu=pt iommu=1 vfio_iommu_type1.allow_unsafe_interrupts=1 rd.driver.pre=vfio_pci vfio_pci.ids=10ec:8168,1043:8677 module=pcieport vt.handoff=1
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488 [08:32:11] <Taserface> okay, just to check, is that in /proc/cmdline?
489 [08:32:22] <samba35> do i have to add all nic to grub ?
490 [08:32:37] <Taserface> all devices on the same iommu group
491 [08:32:55] <samba35> yes above lines are from /proc/cmdline only
492 [08:32:57] <Taserface> you can't have devices in one group being used by host and guest at the same time
493 [08:33:37] <Taserface> okay, if you check the output of `lspci -k`
494 [08:34:00] <Taserface> under all of the devices in the iommu group is should say "kernel driver in use: vfio-pci"
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496 [08:34:23] <samba35> Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci
497 [08:34:40] <samba35> which i want to add for pass-throguth is with vfio
498 [08:35:43] <samba35> the thing is that this system has 3 nic 1 board (realtek) then i add 2 intel nic for dpdk or/add pci -passthroght but they both did not work
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500 [08:36:28] <samba35> i am trying to setup a firewall as 1 guest and 1 more guest as desktop
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503 [08:37:03] <Taserface> have you successfully passed through any other device on this system yet?
504 [08:37:12] <samba35> and when i put all device with vfio my ethernet bridge does not work which is require by firewall
505 [08:37:47] <samba35> ok let me try this
506 [08:38:37] <samba35> i will add my nic with vfio an give pci-passthroguth try but then how do i enable ethernet bridge ?
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508 [08:39:12] <samba35> 1 nic is with etherner bridge
509 [08:40:13] <Taserface> have you considered not using passthrough for the guest?
510 [08:41:05] <Taserface> I mean unless you care about getting >400MBs or <0.1ms ping
511 [08:41:31] <samba35> the reason i want to passthroguth is that i want to learn dpdk and ovs which i want to put in guest
512 [08:41:38] <Taserface> passing through a physical NIC is no better than getting the host to bridge/route via a virtual network/bridge
513 [08:41:47] <samba35> what are other options ?
514 [08:42:47] <Taserface> not sure, don't know dpdk
515 [08:42:55] <samba35> ok
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517 [08:43:42] <samba35> so i should remove linux bridge and put all 3 nic with vfio and give passthrought try ?
518 [08:43:50] <Taserface> are you saying you want an ethernet bridge between a host NIC and a guest NIC?
519 [08:45:20] <samba35> i have firewall with vlan
520 [08:45:22] <Taserface> yeah I think if you have 3 NICs on one PCI card then you probably won't be able to only pass through some of them
521 [08:45:28] <Taserface> it would be all or nothing
522 [08:45:38] <samba35> so i thouth i will require a bridge on host
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525 [08:46:43] <samba35> 1 nic is onboard and 2 are with 1x slot
526 [08:46:54] <samba35> system has only 3 slots
527 [08:47:07] <Taserface> right, okay
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529 [08:47:11] <samba35> 2 1x and 1 16x which is use by gpu
530 [08:47:50] <Taserface> in any case it's what's in /sys/kernel/iommu_groups, that decides what you can pass through
531 [08:48:21] <Taserface> are you saying the onboard NIC and the 2 on the card are in the same iommu group?
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533 [08:48:43] <samba35> in short you can't remove 1 nic from iommu group
534 [08:48:45] <samba35> right ?
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536 [08:49:00] <Taserface> right
537 [08:49:01] <samba35> if all nic are in same iommu group
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539 [08:49:30] <samba35> so this not problem of acs even ?
540 [08:49:44] <Taserface> no
541 [08:50:05] <samba35> UESta: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
542 [08:50:06] <samba35> UEMsk: DLP- SDES- TLP- FCP- CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF- MalfTLP- ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
543 [08:50:06] <samba35> UESvrt: DLP+ SDES+ TLP- FCP+ CmpltTO- CmpltAbrt- UnxCmplt- RxOF+ MalfTLP+ ECRC- UnsupReq- ACSViol-
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545 [08:50:18] <Taserface> you have the option of getting, say, a USB ethernet dongle
546 [08:50:29] <Taserface> if iommu groups are a problem
547 [08:50:38] <samba35> from 1 nic with all acs lines so this nic can have acs but they have to all in vfio /same group
548 [08:51:09] <samba35> ok
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550 [08:51:41] <samba35> how do i check motherboard is supported with ACS ?
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553 [08:53:05] <samba35> IF i black list then will it help ?
554 [08:53:29] <Taserface> if it already says `module in use: vfio-pci` in `lspci -k` then no
555 [08:54:00] <Taserface> you can ask the internet about your motherboard's chipset; intel's site says that chipset supports vt-d
556 [08:54:29] <Taserface> also if you have anything at all in /sys/kernel/iommu_groups then that's confirmation
557 [08:54:33] <Taserface> (ie it's not empty)
558 [08:54:42] <samba35> yes in bios it say it has support has vt-d and its enable
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561 [08:57:30] <samba35> you have no idea of dpdk at all or have some idea ?
562 [08:58:58] <Taserface> none at all.
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564 [08:59:10] <samba35> ok
565 [08:59:30] <samba35> openvswithch ?
566 [08:59:35] <samba35> ovs
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568 [08:59:48] <Taserface> nope. there might be a channel for that
569 [08:59:54] <samba35> ok
570 [09:00:04] <Taserface> I can only suggest seeing if you have the option of messing without with simulated hardware
571 [09:00:13] <Taserface> but I wouldn't know where to look for simulated hardware
572 [09:01:17] <samba35> guest machine ?
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575 [09:02:51] <samba35> is it possible to add 1 gpu with 2 guest /passthroguth ?
576 [09:03:51] <samba35> gpu specification say it can support 3 devices
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578 [09:09:00] <Taserface> as in share a GPU between 2 guests?
579 [09:09:28] <Taserface> maybe? I haven't seen it but ask the internet
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581 [09:13:30] <samba35> ok
582 [09:13:58] <samba35> Thanks
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648 [10:53:48] <diogenes_> ,v xfce
649 [10:53:50] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
650 [10:54:04] <diogenes_> ,v xfce4
651 [10:54:05] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.16; sid: 4.16
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653 [10:55:20] <diogenes_> nice so we gonna get 4.16 with Bullseye.
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677 [11:18:57] <voiduser> Hello. Just wondering what the best way to either delay docker starting. Or ensure that nfs shares get mounted before docker starts?
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687 [11:30:39] <jelly> voiduser, add a drop-in for the docker service so that it depends and starts after the relevant mount unit
688 [11:30:43] <jolt> voiduser: systemctl edit docker.service and insert this: replaced-url
689 [11:30:57] <jolt> Or at least I think that would work
690 [11:31:06] <voiduser> Thanks
691 [11:31:26] <voiduser> Would you still mount the nfs share with fstab or should I use systemd?
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694 [11:32:38] <jolt> I dunno, I think I use fstab for legacy reasons
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696 [11:32:48] <jolt> So that's more up to you methinks
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704 [11:34:20] <mark145> if i built a module for linux-image-4.19.0-12-amd64 will it still work with 4.19.0-14?
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708 [11:35:51] <voiduser> Thanks :D
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713 [11:39:03] <jolt> mark145: when you reboot the module loading would look in the module dir for -14, so I don't think it would work straight away. Maybe if you copy it to the new folder, but I haven't tinkered with that for ages, so I dunno
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718 [11:41:08] <wings> Hey guys, I'm having some issues with replaced-url
719 [11:41:22] <wings> I asked in #bash but am hoping someone here can tell me what I'm doing wrong... running this on Debian 9 (not my choice)
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723 [11:43:48] <jolt> wings: maybe try quoting the output, echo "$torrent"?
724 [11:44:02] <wings> jolt: thank you! but that did not help, I tried that earlier :(
725 [11:44:21] <jolt> wsky: set -x echoes everything to terminal
726 [11:44:35] <jolt> wings: isn't it in the log?
727 [11:44:50] <wings> jolt: No, it's not :(
728 [11:44:58] <jolt> wings: try without set -x?
729 [11:45:32] <rudi_s> wings: Why not just use wget .. > test.log
730 [11:45:34] <wings> jolt: trying
731 [11:46:32] <jolt> not sure what $i should contain, so I cant try either. Not that his has anything to do with Debian per se
732 [11:47:08] <mark145> jolt: i copy the module file manually (and then run depmod) and it is usually found
733 [11:47:20] <wings> jolt: yeah it's not directly debian related tbh
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735 [11:47:36] <wings> sorry
736 [11:47:49] <wings> anyways rudi_s is on the right track... jolt - removing set -x fixed it
737 [11:47:51] <rudi_s> mark145: There might also be an ABI/API break in the kernel versions which could break the module.
738 [11:47:59] <wings> but using wget .. > test.log was a much better idea
739 [11:48:22] <jolt> wings: you should add wget -q, so that you don't have the progress information disturbing it
740 [11:48:31] <mark145> rudi_s: how could i check for that? it is aufs module btw
741 [11:48:34] <wings> jolt: excellent idea, cheers
742 [11:48:38] <rudi_s> mark145: Rebuild it?
743 [11:48:46] <wings> jolt: can you PM me a name so I can add you to the credits of my project, if you like?
744 [11:48:54] <wings> I know it's a minor contribution but it means a whole lot to me.
745 [11:49:00] <wings> can be an alias or whatever you want
746 [11:49:09] <rudi_s> This prevents the ABI break and an API break should cause the build to fail (or unintended behavior, but you cannot protect against that).
747 [11:49:10] <jolt> wings: jolt@freenode then :D
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750 [11:50:20] <mark145> rudi_s: trying to avoid rebuilding as i dont have the dependencies or internet access there (but i will have to i guess if it doesnt load successful)
751 [11:51:07] <rudi_s> mark145: Well, you can always try to load it. But that's not something I would recommend.
752 [11:51:39] <rudi_s> Debian kernels normally break the ABI between different package names. So if the name of package is the same (e.g linux-image-5.10.0-3-amd64) then the ABI is compatible.
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755 [11:52:26] <wings> jolt: Done!
756 [11:52:57] <mark145> rudi_s: thanks. one other thing, is there a way to see what kernels are available for the debian-installer? i use netboot and the list sometimes changes
757 [11:54:05] <rudi_s> mark145: Maybe scrape the website?
758 [11:55:37] <rudi_s> Ah, no. Not really visibile.
759 [11:56:42] <rudi_s> I guess you could look at the current stable and look at the available kernel. AFAIK the netboot uses the same.
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761 [11:58:11] <rudi_s> mark145: Ok, you can just download the image and extract kernel image: Download netboot.tar.gz, extract it and run `file` on netboot/debian-installer/amd64/linux
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764 [11:59:26] <mark145> isnt that just the installer kernel? it downloads different one during install (after selecting)
765 [11:59:53] <rudi_s> mark145: Yeah. It's the installer. If you need the later kernel then use the one from the current stable release (or whatever release you're targeting).
766 [12:01:12] <rudi_s> The IMO best solution is dkms, then you don't have to do anything special and the kernel module gets automatically rebuilt.
767 [12:01:24] <rudi_s> I use that for e.g. wireguard on older kernels.
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772 [12:03:08] <jelly> however you need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed to be able to build dkms modules
773 [12:04:05] <mark145> rudi_s: i meant this list - replaced-url
774 [12:04:56] <rudi_s> mark145: Yeah, but can't you just use the latest kernel?
775 [12:05:03] <mark145> well, i dont actually use netboot, i just load initrd.gz and linux using grub4dos but i figure it is the same inside
776 [12:05:21] <mark145> rudi_s: yes but im simply wondering where it gets the list from, what file :)
777 [12:06:01] <mark145> i think maybe one of these files? replaced-url
778 [12:06:36] <rudi_s> Good question, I don't know.
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782 [12:09:35] <mark145> i extracted packages.xz and figured it out :)
783 [12:09:54] <mark145> it looks like 1 version is dropped and one added with each new image release
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785 [12:10:21] <mark145> thanks for help!
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788 [12:11:42] <rudi_s> np
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799 [12:46:35] <megumin> pip doesn't work
800 [12:46:46] <megumin> i've updated it for the last version
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802 [12:47:20] <megumin> but it still doesn't work
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804 [12:48:40] <megumin> replaced-url
805 [12:48:43] <megumin> will you help?
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807 [12:51:26] <milkt> megumin: probably check #python instead? error message look clear though
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811 [12:56:54] <ratrace> megumin: pip _search_ doesn't work only
812 [12:57:14] <ratrace> use pypi web UIs to find packages
813 [12:58:40] <megumin> ratrace, ok but why i see old packages
814 [12:59:50] <megumin> oh, I figured it out
815 [12:59:59] <megumin> ratrace, thx
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822 [13:08:32] <jochum> yeah pip search doesn't work since some tiem
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847 [13:40:06] <Ridley5> hi all i accidently delleted my partition signature when resizing my partition
848 [13:40:27] <Ridley5> Partition #1 contains a ext3 signature. Do you want to remove the signature? [Yes/[N]o:
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850 [13:40:40] <Ridley5> i answered "Yes"
851 [13:41:06] <Ridley5> anyone can tel me how to recover the ext3 signature in my partition please ?
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853 [13:43:05] <ratrace> "signature"? which program said that?
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855 [13:44:00] <ratrace> trying to figure out if you mean partition "type" vs "actual filesystem metadata/headers was wiped out"; because in the latter case, you can't. if it's partition "type", you can set it with any partition editor, but note it doesn't mean much, default "linux" type suffices for vast majority of cases
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873 [14:03:08] <nyuszika7h> I'm trying to set up 2FA, and despite my sshd config disabling password authentication, it prompts for password AND the OTP code after public key authentication - what am I doing wrong? replaced-url
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883 [14:05:55] <nyuszika7h> (I'm not logging in as one of the users/groups who have password auth enabled)
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887 [14:07:47] <nyuszika7h> using Debian 10 with libpam-google-authenticator, /etc/pam.d/common-auth file's contents: replaced-url
888 [14:08:17] <nyuszika7h> sorry, fixed link for last one: replaced-url
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893 [14:16:52] <JyZyXEL> shouldn't you be using /etc/pam.d/sshd rather than common-auth?
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897 [14:18:27] <nyuszika7h> uh, now I have a bigger problem
898 [14:18:39] <nyuszika7h> I did `sudo chattr +i .google_authenticator` and now sudo is failing
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900 [14:18:48] <nyuszika7h> replaced-url
901 [14:18:55] <JyZyXEL> because common-auth applies to everything in the system
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933 [14:40:36] <nyuszika7h> managed to fix the issue, rip 180 days uptime
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945 [15:01:45] <nyuszika7h> also fixed being asked for password along with 2FA - /etc/pam.d/sshd: replaced-url
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947 [15:02:33] <nyuszika7h> eh no, actually that's no good
948 [15:02:42] <nyuszika7h> pubkey auth with no 2FA configured still asks for password
949 [15:02:47] <ratrace> rip uptime, but yay security patches!
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951 [15:02:56] <ratrace> yummy, yummy security patches!
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988 [15:57:39] <jhutchins> nyuszika7h: The ssh client has several layers of -v verbosity that will help you figure out what's wrong. Key auth should not prompt for a password.
989 [15:58:21] <nyuszika7h> it was because of the keyboard-interactive auth with TOTP but I've figured it out
990 [15:58:37] <nyuszika7h> just made PAM not try to ask for password for sshd at all
991 [15:58:54] <nyuszika7h> sshd seems to handle it fine on its own for the few users who are set to password auth (sftp-only)
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1128 [18:09:17] <deadrom> hi
1129 [18:09:45] <deadrom> can I make debian boot even if it's missing a drive in fstab that's not relevant for sheer OS operation?
1130 [18:10:00] <_shawn> yes
1131 [18:10:10] <deadrom> how?
1132 [18:10:24] <_shawn> for example, /boot/efi doesnt need to be loaded unless you are installing your bootloader
1133 [18:10:45] <_shawn> doesnt need to be mounted on boot, so you can set the option noauto
1134 [18:11:25] <_shawn> that leaves it in the fstab so you can mount it with one argument (the device path or the mount point)
1135 [18:11:40] <_shawn> but it will not automatically mount it at boot
1136 [18:14:24] <deadrom> can I decrease the timeout? systemd wait for everyfrigginthing for 90seconds. can I set to, say, 5 for certain jobs?
1137 [18:14:48] <deadrom> and more importantly: can I make it display the name of the job that's currently taking 90sec? that drives me mad about systemd
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1139 [18:16:57] <_shawn> it says what it is waiting for at the end of the line
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1141 [18:17:52] <_shawn> e.g. "a stop job is waiting for Snappy daemon"
1142 [18:18:36] <_shawn> I've never seen it take 90 seconds before
1143 [18:20:37] <_shawn> I dont think it is a good idea to reduce that. what if for example your system started an automatic update and you killed it in the middle
1144 [18:20:49] <_shawn> or a backup service
1145 [18:21:33] <_shawn> depends on what you have configured, but it's going to wait for things to finish before it turns off
1146 [18:22:55] <_shawn> you might be able to hibernate or sleep faster
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1148 [18:23:13] <_shawn> since it doesnt need to actually stop anything
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1154 [18:26:06] <_shawn> deadrom: read the comments under the question, there are some ideas to speed up the stopping of some services: replaced-url
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1159 [18:28:25] <deadrom> _shawn: with drives missing it tells you "
1160 [18:28:27] <deadrom> Tipp: Begrenze die Suche auf deutschsprachige Ergebnisse. Du kannst deine Suchsprache in den Einstellungen ändern.
1161 [18:28:28] <deadrom> Suchergebnisse
1162 [18:28:30] <deadrom> Webergebnisse
1163 [18:28:31] <deadrom> A stop job is running for Session c2 of user
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1166 [18:29:22] <deadrom> sorry. copypaste tourette madness. meant to say: the messages are not meaningful in certain situations.
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1168 [18:30:16] <urk> I am trying to install from the Unofficial Debian 10.8.0 stable hybrid, and noticed there is no utility for formating the partitions. As a result, I can't install from the disk until I use another utility to do this. Additionally it didn't detect my firmware, but that isn't as big an issue since I can grab that from Dell, and put it on a separate partition on my boot stick.
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1171 [18:31:10] <urk> I already have an installation on my disk which is why I can't reinstall. The installation already on my hard drive is usable, but has problems. It was a downgraded Testing so I have decided to try to do things the right way.
1172 [18:32:46] <urk> So far only testing branch detected my hardware. My laptop came out only a few months after the stable branch was finalized. I have a Dell XPS 15 7590.
1173 [18:33:32] <urk> Am I correct that I can format the partitions in a shell?
1174 [18:33:36] <_shawn> deadrom: `journalctl -p5` press / and search for `timed out. Killing` (no `'s)
1175 [18:33:58] <_shawn> you can search backwards with shift+n
1176 [18:34:07] <_shawn> or forwards with n
1177 [18:35:35] <_shawn> it might be an application you have installed that is running in the background, for example Skype or Google Chrome. journalctl will show it as Killed if it has been reaching 90 seconds
1178 [18:35:48] <deadrom> _shawn: how to access previosu logs? meanwhile I rebooted with missing entries commented out.
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1180 [18:36:02] <jhutchins> urk: I just did a netinstall and did the partitioning manually, you can apparently do that in the normal GUI install as well.
1181 [18:36:49] <jhutchins> urk: I think they use gparted as the background tool.
1182 [18:37:08] <jhutchins> urk: There is a tool for partioning and for formating.
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1184 [18:37:42] <urk> jhutchins> I have already completed the partitioning. The problem is writing it to disk. I get an error message after receiving a warning that I am attempting to write to an unclean disk.
1185 [18:38:42] <urk> jhutchins> Not in the version that I am using. I am going to attempt to format with fdisk in a shell. The drive was previously separated into three partitions: one for UEFI, one for Linux, and free space set aside for Open BSD.
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1188 [18:43:07] <jhutchins> urk: fdisk does not format.
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1195 [18:53:14] <milkt> urk: which hardware do installer not detect? NIC?
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1213 [19:03:26] <_shawn> deadrom: did you find anything in the log?
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1215 [19:04:09] <woenx> Hi. Can someone give me a hand with user permissions? It seems to be a pretty basic thing, but I'm quite obtuse today.
1216 [19:04:11] <woenx> I basicaly want to set an option so any files created in a folder inherit group permissions
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1218 [19:04:29] <woenx> In theory, with the command: chmod g+s <folder>
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1221 [19:04:32] <woenx> should be enough... but nothing changes
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1223 [19:06:55] <_shawn> woenx: did you `chown owner:groupowner directory`
1224 [19:06:56] <woenx> ah, ok, now I see. It sets the group, but not the group permissions
1225 [19:07:03] <woenx> yes yes, of course
1226 [19:07:26] <woenx> I thought that the +s option would preserve the group, and also the group permissions (rwx)
1227 [19:08:52] <woenx> isn't there a way for the whole contents (including subfolders) to inherit the permissions of a parent holder?
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1229 [19:08:56] <woenx> similar to how windows works
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1233 [19:11:35] <jhutchins> woenx: Somewhere in the back of my rusty brain there's something about masks.
1234 [19:12:33] <mentor> You can set a default ACL for new files
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1236 [19:13:48] <woenx> aha
1237 [19:14:14] <mentor> You have to have ACLs and it's not really inheritance
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1239 [19:14:16] <woenx> does umask work for each directory, or it's a global setting that affects the whole system?
1240 [19:14:31] <mentor> woenx: umask applies to the current process
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1244 [19:16:11] <woenx> i see
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1252 [19:21:00] <woenx> I'll work with ACLs then. Thansk
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1254 [19:25:06] <urk> milkt> I have a Dell XPS 15 7590 (2019 series). I don't see the hardware issue as challenging as the rest of the install, but you would think that whoever made the installer would at least offer a tool for formatting the drive so that I don't have to use fdisk in a shell.
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1258 [19:25:59] <milkt> urk: you can not format with fdisk i think
1259 [19:26:14] <jhutchins> woenx: I thought there was a way to set the mask per directory, but umask is per process.
1260 [19:26:48] <milkt> urk: did you not instasll successfully once already
1261 [19:27:59] <jhutchins> milkt: That's correct, fdisk is partitioning only.
1262 [19:28:39] <jhutchins> milkt: mkfs is for formatting, and some configurations of gparted will offer to create the filesystem (format).
1263 [19:29:16] <milkt> i always do partitioning and formatting with installer menu though
1264 [19:29:28] <jhutchins> Yeah, I don't know what he's on about.
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1266 [19:31:14] <_shawn> woenx: this worked for me : setfacl -d --set g::rwx DIRNAME
1267 [19:31:37] <_shawn> it doesnt make files with execute permissions
1268 [19:32:57] <_shawn> but new subdirectories inherit all the settings
1269 [19:33:29] <_shawn> (and have +x so ls works)
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1280 [19:42:09] <woenx> Thanks _shawn
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1283 [19:46:12] <urk> milkt> Previous install was successful, but it was Debian Testing. I downgraded, but concerned about the consequences so I elected to reintall. However, the disk should be partitioned.
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1285 [19:46:58] <milkt> urk: you can partition disk with installer
1286 [19:48:36] <milkt> i use fdisk for more precise partitioning though
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1292 [19:53:29] <jhutchins> ,v umask
1293 [19:53:32] <judd> No package named 'umask' was found in amd64.
1294 [19:53:49] <mentor> umask has to be a shell builtin
1295 [19:55:18] <jhutchins> mentor: Ah.
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1297 [19:56:39] <mentor> Check the libc umask() function call man page?
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1302 [20:00:23] <jhutchins> mentor: C is what broke me as a programmer.
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1314 [20:03:15] <mentor> jhutchins: Was you breaking unspecified or undefined behaviour?
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1317 [20:05:04] <jhutchins> Nah, I had learned six mainframe languages, and I just found all of the manual housekeeping overwhelming.
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1322 [20:06:14] <HelloShitty> Hello. Is there a way of testing if a mount command will work? Something like --dry-run that I've seen in some other applciations?
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1325 [20:06:47] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: Mounting is non-destructive so there's no real need.
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1327 [20:07:45] <HelloShitty> ok
1328 [20:07:45] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: Besides which, mount doesn't return anything except permission errors. If it succeeds it returns nothing.
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1330 [20:07:55] <mentor> Errrr
1331 [20:08:07] <mentor> Mounting ro is non-destructive
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1333 [20:08:45] <HelloShitty> Well, I have this situation. I'm using LVM partitions. And when I run `lvdisplay` I get an UUID and I pasted that UUID into /etc/fstab but it says it can't find that UUID
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1335 [20:09:00] <HelloShitty> however, seems that this is not the UUID I need to put in fstab
1336 [20:09:27] <jhutchins> mentor: JUST mounting rw is non-destructive, it's what you do after you mount.
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1338 [20:09:31] <HelloShitty> I just noticed that `blkid`returns 2 different UUIDs, so I will try those and see if the partition is mounted
1339 [20:09:33] <mentor> No
1340 [20:09:38] <mentor> Journals get replayed
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1344 [20:12:32] <HelloShitty> ok, seems that the UUID is the one returned by `blkid` and not the one returned by `lvdisplay`
1345 [20:14:54] <deadrom> deb10: shutdown has gone out of dashion
1346 [20:15:00] <deadrom> *fashion?
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1348 [20:18:42] <mentor> HelloShitty: The filesystem UUID is the one it wants
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1356 [20:32:10] <jhutchins> deadrom: Why do you say that?
1357 [20:32:27] <deadrom> jhutchins: not in 10. need systemctl.
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1359 [20:33:57] <jmcnaught> deadrom: are you talking about the shutdown command? It is still there.
1360 [20:34:00] <deadrom> finally upgrade my antique 8->9->10. some new things. mainly systemd things.
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1362 [20:34:27] <jhutchins> deadrom: This is a pretty fresh, pretty default 10 install, and it has shutdown. /sbin/shutdown
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1364 [20:34:39] <sney> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Feb 3 09:11 /sbin/shutdown -> /bin/systemctl
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1366 [20:35:10] <deadrom> ah, sbin. looked in usr/sbin. did not su -
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1368 [20:35:20] <sney> though of course the shutdown binary is a component of the init system in use
1369 [20:36:05] <deadrom> now that all other roles but fileserver moved out of that machine probably re-install would have been a saner approach.
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1376 [20:39:21] <HelloShitty> mentor: ok, but which one is it? the one returned by `lvdisplay` or the one returned by `blkid`??? Ok, now I know, but if it wasn't by trial an error, I wouldn't know
1377 [20:40:46] <jmcnaught> HelloShitty: why not use device mapper paths in fstab like /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname?
1378 [20:41:06] <HelloShitty> It was also an option, yes
1379 [20:41:22] <mentor> HelloShitty: lvdisplay specifies that it is the logical volume UUID
1380 [20:41:35] <mentor> HelloShitty: UUIDs are used to identify lots of different objects
1381 [20:41:55] <HelloShitty> one of them, partitions
1382 [20:42:13] <HelloShitty> But the question here was to know which UUID was needed in fstab
1383 [20:42:24] <mentor> HelloShitty: The filesystem UUID
1384 [20:42:47] <HelloShitty> An my reasoning at the time that I created the partition, using lvm tools, was that the UUID would be the one from the logic volume I just created
1385 [20:43:08] <HelloShitty> and tbh, I didn't even know that logic volumes woul have multiple UUIDs
1386 [20:43:24] <HelloShitty> for the filesystem itself, for the logic volume itself, etc
1387 [20:43:34] <HelloShitty> now I know. :)
1388 [20:43:44] <mentor> HelloShitty: They don't have multiple UUIDs. The filesystem has a UUID, and the logical volume has a UUID, etc.
1389 [20:44:27] <mentor> HelloShitty: If you copy the data from one logical volume to another, the filesystem UUID is part of that, but the logical volume UUID is not.
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1391 [20:44:49] <HelloShitty> mentor: I understand and that's what I meant by multiple UUIDs
1392 [20:45:06] <HelloShitty> multiple UUIDs as more than one UUID regarding the same device
1393 [20:45:12] <HelloShitty> but maybe at different levels
1394 [20:45:17] <HelloShitty> whatever you want to call it
1395 [20:45:20] <mentor> HelloShitty: Yes, and I am disagreeing with you about it.
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1397 [20:45:43] <HelloShitty> So, if there is more than one UUID, I can call it multiple UUIDs
1398 [20:46:06] <mentor> And you'd be wrong.
1399 [20:46:38] <HelloShitty> No, I'm correct, more than one, can be called multiple, several, etc
1400 [20:46:49] <HelloShitty> are sinonyms
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1402 [20:46:59] <HelloShitty> or whatever tat word is spelled
1403 [20:47:28] <HelloShitty> synonyms*
1404 [20:47:29] <mentor> Well, I'd advise you not to represent that as correct to anyone else.
1405 [20:47:48] <milkt> logical volume have single UUID, and filesystem have single UUID, nothing have multiple UUID
1406 [20:47:52] <HelloShitty> ok, I also disagree with you
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1408 [20:48:26] <HelloShitty> blkid gives 2 UUIDs, btw
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1411 [20:48:39] <HelloShitty> UUID and sub_UUID or so
1412 [20:49:21] <HelloShitty> ./dev/mapper/psyHost--vg-sddData: LABEL="sddData" UUID="0d8ccfb1-f9bd-4b74-8cde-16161bd589a6" UUID_SUB="99ea3bd4-ed3e-4ac5-8f14-9d815742168f" TYPE="btrfs"
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1414 [20:50:00] <HelloShitty> that's from blkid, so even "nothing has multiple UUIDs" is not accurate, I guess
1415 [20:51:28] <milkt> i guess 0d8c... is UUID of logical volume, and 99ea... is UUID of filesystem
1416 [20:51:53] <jmcnaught> That is a UUID for the filesystem and also a UUID for the subvolume, so still for different things. Multiple would imply redundancy, if two different UUIDs pointed to the exact same thing you might have a point.
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1419 [20:52:59] <HelloShitty> hum, this is the UUID from `lvdisplay`: LV UUID URo0zn-3ccL-JbkL-ctS3-AmkK-DAub-S6xdFz
1420 [20:53:07] <HelloShitty> so, 3 UUIDs already
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1422 [20:53:44] <jmcnaught> One UUID for the logical volume, which hold a filesystem with its own UUID, which holds a subvolume with its own UUID.
1423 [20:53:58] <HelloShitty> but ok. Nevermind. I got the point. I understand what you guys say, and I understand what I said, so it's all good
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1428 [20:57:46] <mentor> They are also labelled differently
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1485 [22:01:02] <deadrom> I don't get it. machien with 6 3.5" drives, all fine. I add 4 drives on an el cheapo 4port sata pcie1x and it throws link resets on one port like crazy. moved the entire 2nd array, drives, cables, power adapters, controller to this machine herer - runs perfectly smooth. ideas? 400w brand power supply not good for 10x3.5"?
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1517 [22:41:31] <merAzi> Just for curiosity... What do you use for IRC? Pidgin? XChat? Emacs?
1518 [22:42:06] <ectospasm> merAzi: I use weechat on a VPS running buster.
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1560 [23:11:21] <jolt> +1 for weechat here as well. In tmux
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1568 [23:20:02] <ectospasm> jolt: Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention I use it in tmux!
1569 [23:20:06] <jhutchins> irssi in screen
1570 [23:20:07] <ectospasm> tmux >>> GNU screen!
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1573 [23:20:57] <jhutchins> ectospasm: So I hear, but I'm used to screen and it does what I need. I do pretty much everything full screen.
1574 [23:21:16] <rgwu> I also use irssi in screen. Tmux didn't exist when I started using screen and I'm stuck in my ways.
1575 [23:21:58] <ectospasm> I used to use screen religiously, then I ran into its limitations. With tmux I can script up my environments pretty easily, so that's why I switched several years ago.
1576 [23:23:48] <jhutchins> I just really haven't needed anything screen doesn't do.
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1578 [23:24:44] <ectospasm> Whenever I use screen it's hard to remember I'm in a screen session, with the defaults.
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1580 [23:27:42] <rgwu> ectospasm: That's a feature. Screen does not get in your way.
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1582 [23:29:44] <jolt> I added screen keybindings to my tmux conf, and that was it. Had to switch when screen was leaking too much memory, and then I never went back.
1583 [23:30:05] <jolt> I have the conf in my dotfiles, so it's available on all systems I use.
1584 [23:30:12] <jolt> +repo
1585 [23:31:49] <jhutchins> I've never had memory issues, and I'll leave sessions up for weeks.
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1588 [23:37:20] <_shawn> I was using tmux but my coworkers were using screen and I kept forgetting the commands, so I caved and started using screen at home so I would memorize them
1589 [23:38:13] <_shawn> weechat also needs to be full screen anyways, unless your font is really small
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1593 [23:39:13] <sney> I have znc on a vps that I usually connect to with hexchat, occasionally with irssi
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