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• 6[00:04:22] <urk> Never mind, I figured it out.
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• 12[00:09:45] <urk> I got more problems. I setup a partition for /SWAP, but get an error that I have not setup a partition for swap space as a final warning befort writing my partition scheme to disk. Why is the install program not recognizing my partition? My partition was manually entered, and I didn't see an option for /SWAP in the auto selection tools.
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• 14[00:11:10] <rudi_s> urk: What is /SWAP supposted to be?
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• 16[00:11:27] <urk> The partitions I have created are: /, /boot, /SWAP, /var, /var/mail, /usr/local, /usr, /usr/bin, /usr/share/doc, /opt, /tmp, /Home.
• 17[00:11:54] <rudi_s> urk: Swap partitions aren't located in a separate mount point but simply marked as "swap partition".
• 18[00:12:07] <rudi_s> And it's quite uncommon to use so many partitions on Linux.
• 19[00:12:19] <urk> rudi_s> ok, that must be the problem then.
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• 21[00:12:35] <rudi_s> A more traditional setup is / /boot /home and maybe /var
• 22[00:13:03] <rudi_s> (Possibly /var/mail if you host a big mail server, but unlikely.)
• 23[00:13:04] <rudi_s> /tmp is a tmpfs per default, and the rest are a part of /
• 24[00:13:20] <rudi_s> And it's /home, if /Home wasn't a typo.
• 25[00:14:01] <rudi_s> On small systems just / is fine too. And if you use LVM, which is always a good idea, you can easily add partitions later.
• 26[00:14:07] <urk> rudi_s> I get an error indicating that Swap has to have a / in front of it so at this point I don't know what I am doing wrong. I think something else might be going on here.
• 27[00:14:19] <rudi_s> (However, the debian installer allocates all disk space per default so you'd have to partition it manually.)
• 28[00:14:23] <urk> rudi_s> Does it matter what order the /swap file is in?
• 29[00:14:38] <urk> rudi_s> Everything I setup was done manually.
• 30[00:14:55] <rudi_s> urk: The order doesn't matter, but you must setup the correct type, which is "swap partition" (or something similar). Not "ext4" or the like.
• 31[00:15:17] <rudi_s> (Btw. on IRC user: is the common way to highlight people.)
• 32[00:15:43] <urk> ok, its the type that I screwed up. Thanks for reminding me. It was an error.
• 33[00:16:20] <urk> ok. Everything is now good.
• 34[00:16:47] <rudi_s> urk: np, but please reconsider a more typical partition scheme.
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• 36[00:18:44] <urk> rudi_s> Why do I need more typical partition scheme? I wanted to isolate my partition for a mail server in case I get hit with a lot of spam.
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• 38[00:19:47] <rudi_s> urk: Well, in that case splitting of /var/mail is fine. But the rest is just unnecessary and makes the result more complicated.
• 39[00:20:22] <rudi_s> Why use separate partitions ofr /var /usr/local /usr /usr/bin /usr/share/doc /opt and /tmp?
• 40[00:22:09] <urk> rudi_s> /usr/local is for a lot of non Debian programs, and I wanted to make sure libraries and documentation were well isolated.
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• 42[00:22:18] <urk> as well.
• 43[00:23:09] <rudi_s> urk: Isolated in what way?
• 44[00:23:23] <urk> I wanted to avoid the risk of having to reinstall if I ran out of space based on my expected needs.
• 45[00:23:26] <rudi_s> It's not like /usr/local filling up / is a problem as nobody is writing there.
• 46[00:23:32] <rudi_s> That's what LVM is for.
• 47[00:23:42] <urk> And I don't want to borrow from the space dedicated to Open BSD.
• 48[00:23:53] <rudi_s> And the risk of having to reinstall because you sized all those small partitions incorrectly is much higher.
• 49[00:24:04] <rudi_s> Yeah, assumued you used a BSD before ;-)
• 50[00:24:42] <rudi_s> But sure, go ahead. Just remember it can cause problems (mostly because it's not well tested and more partitions are more trouble to handle) in the future.
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• 52[00:25:53] <urk> rudi_s> I have used Open BSD before, but the OS has changed substantially in the time that I first started using it. It used to be that you had to install it first in order to recognize certain characteristics. NOw the recommended suggestioin is to install it last if you are on a multi-partition boot. However, for my day-to-day stuff I like Debian linux a lot. Its simple, quick, very reliable, rolling distributions, and also very
• 53[00:25:53] <urk> responsive to real world development needs.
• 54[00:26:42] <urk> How are the docs and libraries normally setup if I don't setup a partition for them?
• 55[00:26:58] <urk> Or would you say auto allocation is more certain if the partitions are not defined?
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• 60[00:32:36] <urk> I got more problems. The Debian install program asks me if I want to setup a mirror, and initially I selected the one in Berkeley, but get an error "Bad archive mirror", so I selected a different mirror, and get the same error, and get the same error with each and every single mirror I have selected. What am I doing wrong? I doubt that all the mirrors are not bad so assume something is wrong on my end.
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• 62[00:34:11] <urk> Incidentally I left the proxy information blank, and the next screen is the one that produced the error.
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• 64[00:35:03] <foul_owl> Is anyone currently running 30 bit color with no issues?
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• 67[00:35:41] <SponiX> foul_owl: that is a lot of bits
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• 69[00:37:21] <urk> One possible problem is that the mirrors don't support the current version of Debian. I haven't gone into the /var/log/syslog to check, but assume that is the problem. Still it seems odd if not rare.
• 70[00:37:53] <milkt> urk: which installer are you using?
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• 73[00:40:46] <foul_owl> lol
• 74[00:40:56] <foul_owl> Serious question though :)
• 75[00:41:45] <urk> milkt> Debian Linux Stable.
• 76[00:42:01] <urk> Its giving me a lot of trouble with the mirrors.
• 77[00:42:26] <urk> Seems like updates to the mirror install routine are more difficult to deal with now than in the past.
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• 88[00:51:30] <urk> If I enter the mirror manually then the next scree is "please enter the directory in which the mirror of the Debian archive is located". The default entry is /debian/. Is this correct?
• 89[00:52:03] <longears> What package allows me to fill in PDFs? I use `mupdf` for viewing files, but some of them have feels in them and I need to fill them up.
• 90[00:52:43] <sig_9> okular?
• 91[00:53:00] <sig_9> linux kinda sucks for pdf support, haven't found a decent app yet
• 92[00:53:44] <urk> I think something is wrong with the install program. I should be able to advance within the program without any error at all, and doubt that all the mirrors are bad.
• 93[00:54:06] <milkt> urk: i think you are having network issue on your side
• 94[00:54:13] <sig_9> are you talking about sources.list urk?
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• 96[00:55:15] <urk> milkt> No network issue here because I haven't installed the firmware for connecting to a network. I should be able to complete the install without the firmware, and install the firmware later.
• 97[00:55:34] <sig_9> ping google.com
• 98[00:55:48] <milkt> urk: so are you trying to skip mirror selection?
• 99[00:55:58] <bopeep> Error: ping not found
• 100[00:56:05] <urk> milkt> I am installing from the unofficial source since I need firmware for my Dell XPS 15 7590. However, I don't find the firmware that I need in the unofficial source.
• 101[00:56:12] <urk> milkt> yes
• 102[00:56:31] <sig_9> just use the default selection
• 103[00:56:36] <bopeep> urk, replaced-url
• 104[00:56:43] <milkt> urk: there should be "go back" button or something similar which let you proceed to next step
• 105[00:57:11] <milkt> ^ and you can also try install including nonfree firmware
• 106[00:57:22] <bopeep> Its what I use on a very similar dell.
• 107[00:57:27] <urk> milkt> I have used the go back button countless times, and the install program won't let me advance. This install program is buggy.
• 108[00:57:41] <milkt> urk: which installer are you using?
• 109[00:58:05] <sig_9> urk redownload the link bopeep gave you and try again
• 110[00:58:22] <bopeep> replaced-url
• 111[00:58:31] <urk> bopeep> So you want me to install for live CD instead of from disk?
• 112[00:58:41] <sig_9> the live cd has an installer on it
• 113[00:58:46] <bopeep> ^
• 114[00:58:55] <sig_9> it will boot to a live session and you can click the install icon on the desktop
• 115[00:59:15] <SponiX> I literally think he is trying to install from a "netinstall" image -- without the NET -- right now
• 116[00:59:26] <sig_9> could be
• 117[00:59:27] <bopeep> if gnome go to activities and youll see it there. if xfce its on desktop. cant speak to kde. never used it.
• 118[00:59:29] <SponiX> And calling it buggy because of that
• 119[00:59:44] <sig_9> kde will be on the desktop as well bopeep
• 120[00:59:47] <urk> sig_9> Ok, I assume I will need to copy the link to a memory stick, and then use that to boot the system since I have already written over the windows partition.
• 121[00:59:50] <bopeep> perfect, ty
• 122[00:59:58] <sig_9> no
• 123[00:59:59] <milkt> SponiX: i do that every time but can able to skip mirror selection and install minimum system
• 124[01:00:25] <sig_9> you will need a computer to copy the iso image to usb or cd/dvd
• 125[01:00:29] <SponiX> milkt: interesting
• 126[01:00:30] <sig_9> then boot from that
• 127[01:00:39] <bopeep> ah, check this: replaced-url
• 128[01:00:43] <urk> Sponix> The install routine I downloaded should allow me to install from USB stick, and not from net.
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• 130[01:01:07] <bopeep> what OS are you currently on? linux, windows?
• 131[01:01:07] <milkt> urk: what is the name of installer file you downloaded?
• 132[01:01:20] <sig_9> I use the net install and don't use any of the package selections, then reboot to tty and install what i need
• 133[01:01:36] <bopeep> oh trust me bro. use the link i provided if its a dell of that model.
• 134[01:02:02] <sig_9> probably uses iwlwifi driver too
• 135[01:02:14] <sig_9> and firmware-realtek
• 136[01:02:24] <bopeep> replaced-url
• 137[01:02:56] <bopeep> theres for the amd64, now just need to pick which desktop environment you want. then download the ISO. once thats done let us know and we can help
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• 139[01:03:34] <urk> milkt> Standby and I will look it up. I downloaded the image in Win 10 on the laptop I am trying to install to so I will have to look it up on the laptop I am communicating from now. The laptop I am on now is a 20 year old HP Pavilion de4000 running Linuxmint Ubuntu edition, and its sloooow because it is a 32-bit system.
• 140[01:04:16] <bopeep> once its on the system and running youll have ~20ish packages to update.
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• 142[01:05:31] <milkt> urk: do you know the cpu architecture of machine which you are trying to installer debian on?
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• 151[01:11:50] <urk> milkt> Dell XPS 15 7590 is supposed to have a 6 core processor using Intel Generation 9. It is an enormously powerful computer, and probably an overkill for what I am doing.
• 152[01:12:14] <urk> Its as light as a feather, but as powerful as a work station.
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• 154[01:12:30] <urk> I bought it because of the very bright screen. I despise working on dim screens.
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• 156[01:13:12] <urk> With respect to where I got the Debian Install disk, it was Iso 1 of a series of 3-4, unofficial, etc. HOwever, I don't think it was in the same location as what I just found replaced-url
• 157[01:13:39] <urk> I might want to try redownloading, or better using your recommendation.
• 158[01:13:47] <bopeep> ah - go here: replaced-url
• 159[01:13:57] <bopeep> pick which desktop environment you prefer.
• 160[01:13:59] <bopeep> download the iso
• 161[01:14:09] <urk> bopeep> Don't I have to setup a DHCP in order to do this?
• 162[01:14:09] <milkt> urk: i was just wondering if it is 32 bit or 64 bit pc
• 163[01:14:22] <urk> milkt> I downloaded 64-bit.
• 164[01:14:47] <milkt> i mean your machine which you are installing on
• 165[01:14:56] <bopeep> urk, I recommend you download it to the machine you are currrntly talking to us on then burn it to a disc or... via usb
• 166[01:14:58] <urk> It wouldn't have written the partitions to disk if it wasn't 64-bit. This problem of not letting me advance beyond mirrors appears to be a bug.
• 167[01:15:20] <urk> bopeep> Doesn't this require me to setup a DHCP server on the new machine?
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• 169[01:15:46] <urk> bopeep> Why the iso-hybrid?
• 170[01:16:33] <bopeep> Several of the Debian and Debian Live images, notably all i386, amd64 and arm64 images, are created using the isohybrid technology, which means that they may be used in two different ways:
• 171[01:16:45] <bopeep> They may be written to CD/DVD/BD and used as normal for CD/DVD/BD booting. They may be written to USB flash drives, bootable directly from the BIOS / EFI firmware of most PCs.
• 172[01:16:58] <bopeep> I use USB
• 173[01:17:22] <urk> bopeep> So this means they are media independent?
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• 176[01:18:21] <milkt> usk: iso file under iso-hybrid contain both of live image and installer
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• 179[01:19:07] <milkt> urk: ^
• 180[01:19:12] <urk> milkt> So I can boot from either a disk or a link?
• 181[01:19:22] <bopeep> apologies, was disconnected. did you get what I sent re: usb?
• 182[01:19:47] <milkt> urk: what do you mean with link?
• 183[01:19:56] <bopeep> replaced-url
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• 185[01:20:22] <urk> milkt> The last message I got from you was "usk: iso file under iso-hybrid contain both of live image and installer".
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• 189[01:21:07] <urk> The 32-bit system I am communicating on has a lot of problems, and problems with the keyboard. It constantly jumps so it is very sloooow to type on.
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• 191[01:21:30] <urk> I will redownload the OS at the link you provided, but it is going to be super slow.
• 192[01:21:57] <milkt> urk: there is smaller image which only contain installer if your network is slow
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• 204[01:26:25] <bopeep> at the biggest iso size, kde is like 3.1 gb. this is larger than some installs, but smaller than others (ahem, openSUSE)
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• 214[01:38:48] <urk> bopeep> I followed the link you sent, and it took me to a bunch of other links which included [ISO] debian-live-10.8.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso Is this what I need?
• 215[01:39:19] <urk> Or do I need this one debian-live-10.8.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.packages
• 216[01:39:38] <SponiX> urk: just the ISO one you listed
• 217[01:40:16] <urk> SponiX> Whats the difference between the one that has the .packages after it?
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• 221[01:41:12] <urk> Is debian-live-10.8.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.packages equally as good?
• 222[01:41:26] <SponiX> urk: I think it is likely a large amount of extra packages that are likely unneeded
• 223[01:41:36] <urk> SponiX> Thanks
• 224[01:42:54] <urk> Hopefully I have enough room on here to install it. I'm on a machine with a really small hard drive. Its old enough to be in a museum.
• 225[01:42:56] <milkt> urk: .packages is text file which contain list of package included in iso file
• 226[01:43:23] <milkt> urk: what is the size of hard drive on target machine?
• 227[01:43:32] <urk> milkt> Nah, I don't need it. I can always run a command and get the info if I need it.
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• 242[02:04:12] <ripdisk> if I do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade it's just gonna upgrade all my packages right? Not upgrade me to the next version of OS?
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• 246[02:06:11] <milkt> ripdisk: probably depend on your apt policy
• 247[02:06:24] <ripdisk> its default
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• 251[02:08:32] <ripdisk> dang i can't do any upgrades
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• 254[02:08:49] <urk> Only have 1.7GB downloaded of the install file because of the ancient computer that is downloading it. Looks like I might have to leave this on overnight. Well boohoo.
• 255[02:09:05] <ripdisk> my apt-get servers must be out of date or soemthing it can't contact most of them
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• 257[02:10:49] <ripdisk> i can't use stretch anymore??
• 258[02:11:08] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 259[02:11:25] <ripdisk> woah those are messed up
• 260[02:12:23] <milkt> !sources.list
• 261[02:12:23] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
• 262[02:12:48] <milkt> replace buster with stretch
• 263[02:13:00] <ripdisk> ok.... wonder how those got so messed up wtf
• 264[02:13:01] <milkt> ripdisk: ^
• 265[02:13:07] <ripdisk> looks like a bad copypaste job lol
• 266[02:13:53] <ripdisk> so i have
• 267[02:14:04] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 268[02:14:04] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 269[02:14:04] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
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• 271[02:14:08] <ripdisk> is that OK
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• 273[02:14:56] <milkt> look fine for me
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• 275[02:17:28] <ripdisk> wait a second i just confused myself by working with two different computers in two different terminal windows
• 276[02:17:32] <dvs> !stretch sources.list
• 277[02:17:32] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 279[02:18:23] <ripdisk> ohhh ok i'm sorry i'm wrong
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• 281[02:18:40] <ripdisk> !jessie sources.list
• 282[02:18:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 284[02:19:22] <urk> Sponix> I am only up to 2.5 GB because of a very slooow download capability. My interest speed is fast (100mbps), but the laptop I am on is ancient. At this point I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off just setting up a DHCP server on the new laptop, copy a link, and download from a network install instead?
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• 286[02:21:38] <dvs> So are you downloading a DVD ISO?
• 287[02:22:36] <n4dir> and i always heard installing OpenBSD would be hard. Wondering how you managed that.
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• 290[02:23:07] <ripdisk> hmmm
• 291[02:23:15] <ripdisk> i changed my sources but its stil trying to get it from ftp.debian.org
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• 296[02:25:32] <ripdisk> replaced-url
• 297[02:25:38] <ripdisk> That's what I get when I do apt-get update
• 298[02:25:42] <ripdisk> I don't understand
• 299[02:25:46] <milkt> !deb.debian.org
• 300[02:25:46] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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• 304[02:27:54] <abrotman> are you really still using jessie backports?
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• 306[02:28:41] <milkt> !jessie
• 307[02:28:42] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
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• 309[02:28:59] <abrotman> ripdisk: can you pastebin 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*' ?
• 310[02:29:01] <milkt> it say repository is removed
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• 312[02:30:37] <dvs> probably in archive.debian.org
• 313[02:31:20] <abrotman> jessie-backports? yes
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• 341[03:14:00] <urk> milkt> What is the size of the Debian download ISO you referred to earlier? The reason I ask is that the file I downloaded is only 3 gb, and appears to not getting any larger. I'm on ancient system so big downloads are not easy.
• 342[03:14:49] <ripdisk> i changed the sources but there must be a second list
• 343[03:15:11] <ripdisk> cos the failed updates on that pastebin, none of those URLs are in my list.
• 344[03:15:20] <ripdisk> so there must be a second list.
• 345[03:16:13] <ripdisk> yep
• 346[03:16:16] <ripdisk> there it is
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• 348[03:16:20] <ripdisk> "jessie backports main:
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• 350[03:17:10] <ripdisk> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 353[03:20:15] <sney> deb.debian.org is a cdn which can behave strangely sometimes depending on your region/isp/etc. try with a direct mirror like ftp.(country code).debian.org, see replaced-url
• 354[03:21:04] <themill> jessie/updates won't be on the mirrors like that
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• 357[03:22:33] <ripdisk> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 358[03:22:40] <ripdisk> hm
• 359[03:23:58] <notahackerlol> have you tried updating your apt?
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• 361[03:24:29] <ripdisk> that's the error i get when i update
• 362[03:24:48] <dvs> I don't think they keep backports on obsolete releases
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• 364[03:25:06] <notahackerlol> try --fix-missing?
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• 366[03:26:21] <ripdisk> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 367[03:26:21] <ripdisk> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
• 368[03:27:39] <dvs> *sigh*
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• 371[03:29:12] <notahackerlol> yea, like what sney said, you need to use a new mirror. deb.debian doesnt even have jesse
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• 373[03:30:15] <ripdisk> they said the opposite i thought
• 374[03:30:20] <themill> deb.debian.org does have jessie; other random suites will be elsewhere
• 375[03:30:21] <dvs> huh? yes it does
• 376[03:30:28] <ripdisk> they said other mirrors WON'T hhave jessie
• 377[03:30:29] <ripdisk> yeah
• 378[03:30:33] <ripdisk> they said the opposite.
• 379[03:30:49] <themill> ripdisk: jessie/updates and jessie-backports do not exist
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• 381[03:31:46] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 382[03:31:46] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 383[03:31:51] <ripdisk> thats what i have in my sources list
• 384[03:32:08] <dvs> still not listening
• 385[03:32:11] <themill> just because you have it in your sources.list doesn't mean that jessie/updates exists.
• 386[03:32:23] <ripdisk> i wasn't saying that, sorry
• 387[03:32:32] <ripdisk> i'm just going step by step
• 388[03:32:37] <themill> jessie-backports also does not exist.
• 389[03:32:46] <ripdisk> ok so i should change that second line to just jessie main?
• 390[03:32:50] <urk> milkt> Not sure of the hard drive size, but its small. I believe the ISO file is complete because it doesn't have .part after it. Also, the burner on this laptop will not likely be able to burn to the USB stick because of the age of the system. This vintage was only capable of burning to DVD. I think there are two options: 1) Copy the image to a USB so that it can be burned on another system, or 2) Do a network install, and setup
• 391[03:32:50] <urk> a DHCP. At this point setting up a network install with DHCP is the most practical even though its a bit more complicated.
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• 393[03:33:35] <ripdisk> or maybe jessie-updates
• 394[03:33:51] <urk> milkt> I need to run an errand on my bicycle, and won't be back for at least an hour. If you have any advice on setting up the DHCP on the other laptop then let me know. I believe the partition scheme has already overwritten windows, but I could double check. Windows took up the entire 1 tb so its likely gone.
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• 397[03:34:23] <urk> ripdisk> I do have a testing version I could try install, and then try to upgrade to stable after that. Thats another option, and the disk is already burned.
• 398[03:34:26] <superleaf1995> im downloading debian-10.8.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso, i only have a cd-r so i have one chance to burn the disk
• 399[03:34:40] <superleaf1995> it is the same as netinst except it comes with xfce, right?
• 400[03:34:40] <dvs> ripdisk: there is only "jessie" and "jessie-updates". That's all.
• 401[03:35:06] <ripdisk> thats what i have now
• 402[03:35:23] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 403[03:35:23] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 404[03:35:25] <themill> ripdisk: it is not, as evidenced by the things you keep pasting into the channel
• 405[03:35:33] <themill> !show sources.list ripdisk
• 406[03:35:33] <dpkg> ripdisk: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 408[03:35:49] <dvs> ripdisk: nope, one of them says "security"
• 409[03:35:55] <ripdisk> ok
• 410[03:36:18] <ripdisk> there it goes.
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• 412[03:36:21] <ripdisk> oh, nope
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• 416[03:37:22] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 417[03:37:23] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 418[03:37:43] <ripdisk> that's what I have now - I have tried that with and without the /debian/ on the second lne
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• 420[03:37:45] <themill> no. you need to stop making things up.
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• 422[03:38:37] <dvs> ripdisk: you probably tried with and without the /debian/ when it started with security.
• 423[03:38:53] <ripdisk> no, i just did it.
• 424[03:38:59] <ripdisk> what i just pasted is what it says now
• 425[03:39:12] <dvs> the second one is still wrong.
• 426[03:39:16] <ripdisk> when i change the second line to say deb.debian.org/debian/ it still does not work
• 427[03:39:35] <themill> jessie-updates (while it exists) is not a thing anyway
• 428[03:39:58] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 429[03:39:59] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 430[03:40:03] <ripdisk> tried with that too.,
• 431[03:40:07] <ripdisk> neither work.
• 432[03:40:11] <ripdisk> i'll just remove the second line entirely.
• 433[03:40:29] <craigevil> isn't jessie in archive?
• 434[03:40:48] <ripdisk> OK - all i have is the first line, and it still will not apt-get update.
• 435[03:41:51] <craigevil> it won't
• 436[03:42:05] <craigevil> use this:deb replaced-url
• 437[03:42:18] <ripdisk> lol. ok, ten four hold on
• 438[03:42:58] <ripdisk> should i do a jessie-updates line for that also
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• 441[03:43:26] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 442[03:43:26] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 443[03:43:28] <ripdisk> how's that
• 444[03:43:41] <dvs> wont work
• 445[03:44:14] <ripdisk> ok no second line?
• 446[03:44:23] <dvs> nope
• 447[03:44:42] <ripdisk> yeah that does not work either craigevil.
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• 450[03:46:06] <craigevil> remove this line: deb replaced-url
• 451[03:46:13] <ripdisk> yeah, i did that.
• 452[03:46:22] <ripdisk> already removed that, saved, and retried.
• 453[03:46:34] <dvs> craigevil: does not exist
• 454[03:46:48] <ripdisk> ¬_¬
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• 456[03:47:17] <dvs> oops. nvm
• 457[03:47:52] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 458[03:47:57] <ripdisk> thtas' the only line i have, no worky
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• 460[03:48:32] <craigevil> weird
• 461[03:48:42] <craigevil> replaced-url
• 462[03:48:49] <dvs> that is weird
• 463[03:48:52] <ripdisk> oh
• 464[03:48:56] <ripdisk> its a different error now
• 465[03:49:01] <ripdisk> W: GPG error: replaced-url
• 466[03:49:02] <ripdisk> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 467[03:49:42] <dvs> why is it still saying deb.debian.org?
• 468[03:49:47] <ripdisk> i have no idea i just noticed that
• 469[03:49:55] <ripdisk> is there another freaking list somewhere?
• 470[03:50:21] <craigevil> install the key: apt install debian-archive-keyring
• 471[03:50:22] <dvs> /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 472[03:50:44] <ripdisk> i thought i freakin.
• 473[03:50:54] <ripdisk> omfg. i knew about that one in there already i swear i already commented the damn thing out
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• 475[03:51:22] <ripdisk> this time i deleted it
• 476[03:51:26] <craigevil> you only need the one line
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• 478[03:51:37] <ripdisk> yeah it was a second list
• 479[03:51:45] <ripdisk> for backports
• 480[03:52:15] <ripdisk> debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.
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• 483[03:52:30] <craigevil> right, you're good now
• 484[03:52:47] <ripdisk> Reading package lists... Done
• 485[03:52:47] <ripdisk> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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• 487[03:53:10] <dvs> its a warning
• 488[03:53:46] <ripdisk> ok. when i do apt-get upgrade it says nothing needs to be upgraded and i am HIGHLY skeptical of this
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• 490[03:54:48] <themill> !show sources.list ripdisk
• 491[03:54:49] <dpkg> ripdisk: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 492[03:55:00] <ripdisk> i already did that 100 times
• 493[03:55:05] <themill> no you didn't
• 494[03:55:06] <ripdisk> its 1 line long
• 495[03:55:15] <ripdisk> there's nothing in sources.list.d/ now
• 496[03:55:31] <ripdisk> i have a sources.list
• 497[03:55:42] <themill> in which case you are looking at two different machines
• 498[03:55:56] <ripdisk> no
• 499[03:56:02] <ripdisk> i dont have anything else open
• 500[03:56:20] <ripdisk> hold on, themill what problem are you trying to solve right now
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• 502[03:56:30] <ripdisk> we got apt-get update working
• 503[03:56:56] <ripdisk> my sources.list says:
• 504[03:56:59] <ripdisk> deb replaced-url
• 505[03:57:02] <ripdisk> thats it.
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• 509[04:00:08] <ripdisk> well, apt-update works and when i do upgrade it's saying i have nothing to upgrade
• 510[04:00:10] <ripdisk> i hope that's true
• 511[04:00:27] <ripdisk> thanks craigevil and dvs
• 512[04:00:48] <dvs> p
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• 515[04:02:01] <themill> If apt has seed KEYEXPIRED, then it is ignore the sources.list entry
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• 518[04:03:18] <ripdisk> oh they said its just a warning though
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• 594[05:28:57] <urk> ripdisk> Some how I think of Jack the ripper when I see your handle. Anyway, I have a dilemma. I tried to install Debian Stable from a bootable install disk that I made, and the install failed. Apparently there was something with the distro, and it wouldn't advance beyond the screen asking me to write the partitions to disk.
• 595[05:29:41] <milkt> urk: can you provide more detail
• 596[05:29:43] <urk> On the advice of someone else on here I downloaded what is believed to be a more functional install disk, but discovered it couldn't be burned to the 32-bit system I am on because the hardware was so old that USB burn support wasn't offered.
• 597[05:30:57] <urk> So I now tried to install from a Debian Testing disk that I also made. Different from the stable disk, the Testing disk had no problem picking up my modem, and installing firmware without me selecting an option. However, when I got to the petition manager, all of the volume names were gone. I just see the various ext4 partitions. The only one that kept the volume name was swap. What should I do?
• 598[05:32:00] <urk> If I select "Configure the Logical Volume Manager" it doesn't give me the option of adding /var, /usr, /home, etc, etc.
• 599[05:32:01] <milkt> urk: did you select guided partitioning?, also debian testing is offtopic here
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• 602[05:33:26] <urk> I selected guided partitioning, and it took me to a scree with 5 options -- 4 of those options are for using the entire drive. If I select guided partitioning, it assigns names to the wrong partitions.
• 603[05:33:50] <urk> The mount points are wrong, and I don't see how to fix this without redoing the entire partition table.
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• 605[05:35:09] <urk> oh, I just found it. It was a bit buried. never mind, I think I can handle it from here. If this doesn't work then I am going to try doing a DHCP, and a network install.
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• 630[06:07:50] <urk> milkt> What is the easiest way to change the petition order?
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• 637[06:19:15] <milkt> urk: do you mean moving partition?
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• 667[07:12:09] <unixbsd> hello
• 668[07:12:11] <unixbsd> hi
• 669[07:12:35] <unixbsd> do you know any alternative for a large server, to " Microsoft Exchange Server 2013 " ?
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• 680[07:25:13] <jolt> unixbsd: It's a too open question. To understand what you need we need to know more about what you are trying to achive.
• 681[07:25:32] <jolt> unixbsd: like, what services are you trying to replace?
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• 683[07:27:29] <urk> I have Debian installed, but I have bullseye/sid which is not what I want. What command do I need in order to convert this to Debian stable?
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• 685[07:28:15] <jolt> urk: Try something like this: replaced-url
• 686[07:28:19] <urk> I ended up with SID because the stable installation had a problem with the installation, and I couldn't download to USB on my older computer because it wasn't supported.
• 687[07:28:31] <jolt> I have never performed it, so I don't know if it works though.
• 688[07:29:11] <milkt> system downgrade is not officially supported as i know
• 689[07:30:51] <EdePopede> !downgrade
• 690[07:30:51] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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• 693[07:31:32] <EdePopede> the SE thing looks like so much potential hassle that it would probably be easier to just make a clean install.
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• 695[07:32:14] <EdePopede> > If some packages failing on downgrade you have to purge them by doing:
• 696[07:32:28] <EdePopede> imagine it's a big metapackage, good luck then
• 697[07:33:55] <EdePopede> "couldn't download to USB" what? "it wasn't supported" 'it'?
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• 699[07:35:34] <milkt> urk: which installer did you use to install? pick debian stable installer of same variant and installation process will be pretty same i think
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• 704[07:38:09] <urk> milkt> Thought it was testing unofficial, but apparently its SID/Buster. Its really late, and I would like to continue tomorrow morning. internet is working in the new installation, but for reasons unknown packages are not downloading from the repos library. They show up with apt-cache setarch, but there is something else going on. I need to reconfigure my etc/sources.list file
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• 706[07:38:48] <urk> see you all later, and thanks for your help.
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• 709[07:40:40] <EdePopede> «Thought it was testing unofficial, but apparently its SID/Buster» oh my, definitely not a sid user.
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• 720[07:58:29] <Lope> Running Debian, when I run `apt update && apt upgrade -y` grub gets upgraded, and then grub thinks it's not properly installed, probably because I'm running rootfs on ZFS and grub doesn't fully support it (but it works)... so grub shows an annoying message asking me which disks to install to, then I have to manually go through the menu telling it to prooceed without (re) installing grub to any disks. So I try running `printf 'grub-pc grub-pc/install_device
• 721[07:58:32] <Lope> s_empty boolean true\n' | debconf-set-selections` before upgrading grub, but it doesn't help. Any idea what debconf I need to tell grub to not ask me what devices to install to?
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• 723[07:59:37] <Lope> I don't want to use frontend noninteractive because I want to interactively upgrade the system, I just don't want to interact with this useless grub installation menu.
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• 725[08:02:56] <jolt> Lope: I have the same problem, never thought about a solution for it though
• 726[08:04:14] <Nindustries> Anyone here running openzfs on a Debian minimal system with e.g. k3s/? Curious about your experiences.
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• 733[08:24:14] <jochum> Nindustries: I'm running ZFS on Proxmox which is Debian based and K3S in a Ubuntu VM
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• 735[08:25:35] <jolt> I'm running a minimal system with zfs and dockers, works great.
• 736[08:26:59] <Nindustries> Nice! It's what I want to do instead of minimal debian+zfs+docker
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• 748[08:39:54] <Lope> jolt, okay, well if you figure it out, let me know, I'll do the same :)
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• 751[08:42:22] <Lope> jolt, I got the idea here: replaced-url
• 752[08:42:32] <Lope> I didn't try setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text
• 753[08:42:43] <Lope> I thought it was unnecessary... but I suppose it's worth a try.
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• 756[08:43:50] <jolt> Lope: woudn't this be more like it? replaced-url
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• 758[08:44:49] <Lope> does debconf-set-selections require tabs or can normal spaces work? because when I run debconf-get-selections it comes with tabs, that command given on the URL i pasted above has tabs, but in my script I've replaced the tabs with spaces.
• 759[08:44:58] <jolt> Lope: anyway, it doesn't seem to have to do with debconf, so just overriding interactive for grub doesn't seem to be possible according to that
• 760[08:45:01] <Lope> echo "grub-pc grub-pc/install_devices_empty boolean true" | debconf-set-selections to echo "grub-pc grub-pc/install_devices_empty boolean true" | debconf-set-selections
• 761[08:45:53] <Lope> jolt, I've thought of a more complicated way to do it, which should definitely work.
• 762[08:46:24] <Lope> basically do the apt upgradable query, put all the packages into a string like "p1 p2 p3"
• 763[08:46:35] <Lope> then remove grub from that string if it's present. then run the upgrade
• 764[08:46:50] <Lope> then set the non-interactive environment variable, then upgrade that.
• 765[08:46:59] <Lope> (well, actually run the grub upgrade first)
• 766[08:47:00] <jolt> Lope: Haven't used it, but I think more of adding a rule to ucf
• 767[08:47:21] <Lope> jolt, I've never heard of UCF?
• 768[08:47:47] <Lope> Surely grub should just stop being such a useless PoS
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• 770[08:47:52] <jolt> Haha
• 771[08:48:10] <Lope> perhaps we should just modify the grub source to take a deb conf that says STFU_GRUB
• 772[08:48:17] <jolt> Lope: replaced-url
• 773[08:48:34] <jolt> replaced-url
• 774[08:49:24] <jolt> not sure if it would only cover the defaults file or whatever is triggering the change of boot disk
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• 776[08:50:01] <jolt> worst case you could also look into the pre/post files for grub to see if there is something that is possible to override in there. I just ignore it for now
• 777[08:50:07] <Lope> seems fairly complicated, if you figure it out, let me know :)
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• 779[08:50:28] <Lope> yeah, it's the typical #linuxlife
• 780[08:50:50] <Lope> spend 5 hours to automate something that takes up a 1.5 minutes of your time every 2 weeks.
• 781[08:51:49] <Lope> Because you leave your PC while it's upgrading, then come back to find that grub has stopped the whole upgrade process. Then you have to go thru the grub menu which takes 10 seconds, then have to wait another minute or 2 for your upgrades to finish, kernel modules to build, etc.
• 782[08:52:26] <Lope> I reckon the most surefire and simple way is to query the apt upgradable thing, then tell it to upgrade grub with non-interactive frontend
• 783[08:52:40] <Lope> then just run apt upgrade -y after that.
• 784[08:53:05] <Lope> I'm probably going to do that.
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• 788[08:57:54] <jochum> People, Proxmox uses systemd-boot to bootup ZFS, may that helps
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• 893[09:52:56] <binTrl> Hi -- is Debian appearing for GSoC this year ?
• 894[09:53:49] <SpeedyG> according to my google query... replaced-url
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• 897[09:59:54] <binTrl> oops, thanks :)
• 898[10:00:05] <SpeedyG> np :)
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• 914[10:13:14] <jelly> ,v notepadqq
• 915[10:13:15] <judd> Package: notepadqq on amd64 -- sid: 2.0.0~beta1-1+b1
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• 917[10:14:24] <ioxzev1z> Will the next version of Debian support Wireguard?
• 918[10:15:24] <jelly> ,v wireguard
• 919[10:15:25] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200827-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200827-1; sid: 1.0.20200827-1
• 920[10:16:00] <jelly> ioxzev1z, apparently you can get it for the current version as well, with backports
• 921[10:16:04] <jelly> ,v wireguard-dkms
• 922[10:16:05] <judd> Package: wireguard-dkms on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20210124-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20210124-1; sid: 1.0.20210124-1
• 923[10:16:48] <ioxzev1z> Thanks
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• 929[10:21:47] <velix> !seen greycat
• 930[10:21:48] <dpkg> greycat <~greg@209.142.155.49> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17h 50m 13s ago, saying: 'TIAS'.
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• 932[10:22:11] <JackFrost> The tools are in backports, as well as the dkms module and a kernel that supports it native.
• 933[10:22:43] <velix> Sorry for asking, which packages comes "su" from?
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• 938[10:26:55] <milkt> velix: util-linux?
• 939[10:27:18] <velix> d'oh. Thanks a lot :/
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• 951[10:45:56] <ksk> velix: "dpkg -S /path/to/file" can tell you that :)
• 952[10:46:09] * velix added this to high notebook
• 953[10:46:12] <velix> his*
• 954[10:47:11] <ksk> (the other one you most likely wanna use from time to time might be "dpkg -L $package" to see its contents (only works when installed, since dpkg is a local package foo))
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• 966[11:00:21] <hooway> hello
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• 969[11:02:05] <hooway> i have debian installed with xfce, how do i safely install kde and tools so i can switch to kde?
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• 972[11:02:28] <aminvakil> this may be an obvious question, but i'm going to ask it as i haven't find anything regarding this in replaced-url
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• 974[11:03:03] <aminvakil> when i install a package from backports if ever comes an update for the package from backports it would be updated using apt update && apt dist-upgrade
• 975[11:03:04] <aminvakil> right?
• 976[11:04:13] <aminvakil> hooway: if i were you i would reinstall debian minimal and install kde on top of it
• 977[11:05:10] <aminvakil> i switched from gnome to kde sometime ago and some stuff didn't work or they act weirdly, i changed my laptop and installed os again from base and installed kde on top of it and everything was fine
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• 980[11:06:07] <hooway> i don't want to reinstall, i have bunch of files that are needed and everything is setup, i just want to install kde and keep xfce
• 981[11:06:20] <aminvakil> although i'm not sure if xfce would cause a problem too or not, but be sure to remove any xfce configurations from ~/.config & ~/.local if you're going to remove xfce and install kde
• 982[11:06:41] <hooway> but can i keep xfce?
• 983[11:07:10] <aminvakil> i'm not sure, but i think so, i had gnome and kde at the same time for a week
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• 985[11:07:41] <hooway> what are needed packages for kde to work properly?
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• 987[11:08:53] <aminvakil> actually i don't use debian on my pc:) so i don't know, but stuff i have said before apply to debian too
• 988[11:09:24] <milkt> hooway: task-kde-desktop
• 989[11:10:12] <milkt> hooway: maybe look at replaced-url
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• 991[11:10:59] <hooway> milkt: one package? im looking at this replaced-url
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• 996[11:12:29] <milkt> hooway: "task-kde-desktop" depend on "tasksel" "task-desktop" "kde-standard" "sddm" so it will install those 4 as well
• 997[11:13:06] <milkt> i recommend checking official wiki first
• 998[11:13:28] <hooway> will look, thanks
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• 1344[16:11:00] <urk> Would someone be able to provide me a link to the Debian Unofficial Hybrid for the stable release? Yesterday someone provided me that link while I was on a legacy system, but I couldn't burn the OS to USB because of the age of the system. So I would like to download it now.
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• 1348[16:12:56] <urk> What had happened was that I downloaded an ISO unofficial that didn't have the firmware for my laptop, but also had a bug, and wouldn't advance beyond writing the partitions. So I installed Buster/Sid on a new laptop, and now wish to downgrade to the stable edition, but while doing that make another install stick for the stable.
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• 1351[16:14:03] <urk> The hybrid release apparently has both the link for network installs as well as the software for making a boot disk.
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• 1353[16:14:45] <milkt> urk: replaced-url
• 1354[16:14:57] <riff-IRC> urk: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change any references to sid/unstable to buster.
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• 1357[16:15:28] <riff-IRC> Then do an apt update followed by an apt dist-upgrade
• 1358[16:15:38] <riff-IRC> either that or an apt full-upgrade
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• 1360[16:15:53] <urk> riff-IRC> Is buster the current stable release?
• 1361[16:15:57] <riff-IRC> Yes
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• 1363[16:16:34] <tinga> I wish I could tell debconf to be non-interactive via an env variable.
• 1364[16:16:44] <urk> riff-IRC> Thanks
• 1365[16:17:11] <riff-IRC> No problem
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• 1408[16:50:17] <unixbsd> urk: you can still run the kernel separately and use the modules you want. Which kernel to you wish to have ?
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• 1416[16:58:29] <hanasaki> Have virtmanager settup to bridge to br0 however its not pulling a dhcp iP nor can it get to anything else. thougths please?
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• 1444[17:29:20] <Dude-Meister> HI. Can anyone help me instal BlueCherry DVR?
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• 1446[17:30:03] <sig_9> Dude-Meister: what kind of package?
• 1447[17:30:05] <sig_9> .deb?
• 1448[17:30:20] <Dude-Meister> Yes.
• 1449[17:30:30] <Dude-Meister> It's Buster
• 1450[17:30:41] <Dude-Meister> Iguess? (Latest)
• 1451[17:30:58] <sig_9> 'sudo dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb
• 1452[17:31:15] <sig_9> sudo dpkg -i nameofpackage.deb
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• 1457[17:33:30] <Dude-Meister> Error: Cannot access archive 'nameofpackage.deb'
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• 1459[17:35:54] <Dude-Meister> sig_9 I know it's after ver 180X, and it should be updated
• 1460[17:36:02] <Dude-Meister> 18.x
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• 1467[17:37:47] <CaptainBlackton> Is this where the packaging is handled for Debian?
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• 1469[17:38:04] <imMute> CaptainBlackton: I don't think DDs hang out here very much. you might get lucky.
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• 1471[17:39:16] <CaptainBlackton> OK, well I'm coming here from the postfix channel, as it seems the postfix repository in Linux Mint is not getting the main.cf file for some reason, but I think that's coming from Ubuntu, which is coming from Debian, right?
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• 1473[17:39:51] <CaptainBlackton> What's a DD, BTW?
• 1474[17:40:03] <avu> !based on debian
• 1475[17:40:03] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1478[17:40:25] <imMute> CaptainBlackton: Debian Developer. the people who make Debian.
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• 1480[17:40:40] <avu> CaptainBlackton: you're much better off asking Mint people for help, we don't know what they (or the Ubuntu devs) might have changed
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• 1482[17:41:04] <CaptainBlackton> OK, got it. Thanks for the help!
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• 1495[17:47:06] <Kurogane> Hello, how install this package? Can't locate DBI.pm in @INC (you may need to install the DBI module)
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• 1498[17:51:52] <eb0t_> hey i upgraded to buster from stretch
• 1499[17:52:01] <eb0t_> but when i type python it uses python 2
• 1500[17:53:23] <avu> eb0t_: type python3 instead if you want Python 3
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• 1504[17:54:43] <eb0t_> its just i did a brand new install of buster on another machine...and this defaults to python3
• 1505[17:55:02] <eb0t_> yet the other machine which was upgraded from stretch to buster...still defaults to python 2.7
• 1506[17:55:25] <eb0t_> or maybe i put a python alias on that machine also
• 1507[17:55:31] <avu> eb0t_: update-alternatives
• 1508[17:55:31] <eb0t_> ill check and just start using python3
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• 1511[17:56:29] <avu> although I'm not sure that's wise, seen it used without problems, YMMV
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• 1513[17:57:21] <avu> eb0t_: I'm surprised that you're saying that a fresh install defaults to python3 when running python, doesn't seem that way here
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• 1515[17:57:46] <eb0t_> yes avu i think i have a python alias for that machine as well
• 1516[17:57:54] <eb0t_> im just going to start using python3
• 1517[17:58:02] <eb0t_> it will be second nature in a couple of weeks
• 1518[17:58:05] <eb0t_> thanks guys
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• 1520[17:58:23] <avu> eb0t_: yeah, that's definitely the safest/sanest method
• 1521[17:58:40] <eb0t_> yes ...sounds like sound advice to me .. and im taking it
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• 1768[18:38:29] <imMute> Kurogane: sudo apt install libdbi-perl
• 1769[18:38:57] <imMute> Kurogane: you can also use one of the CPAN clients (like cpanm) but you should really setup local::lib so you don't pollute the system library dirs.
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• 1817[19:18:44] <pimbaud> Hi, folks. Mind if I try a question? I am on bullseye, and fail to install docker. Rather, when apt update, after adding docker repo in /etc/apt/sources.list, I get yelled at: E: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 1819[19:20:35] <pimbaud> I can lower security level, as man apt-secure indicates. Is this normal? Is the Release file requirement new to bullseye? Is it ok to lower security, as suggested? Am I bold asking this here?
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• 1821[19:22:53] <BerntH> pimbaud: Hi. If you take your browser to that link and enter the dists/ directory there is no bullseye subdir so they do not have packages built for bullseye.
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• 1823[19:23:36] <another> also: bullseye is testing
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• 1825[19:24:34] <Mister00X> also whats wrong with the docker in bullseye?
• 1826[19:24:39] <Mister00X> ,v docker
• 1827[19:24:40] <judd> Package: docker on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1+b1; bullseye: 1.5-2; buster: 1.5-2; sid: 1.5-2
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• 1835[19:29:51] <Mister00X> the right one should be docker.io
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• 1854[19:46:20] <queip> so that for all domains that support dnssec, my queries can't be hacked (unless the DNS/registrar is)
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• 4013[20:54:37] <kristijonas> what would be the most secure way to make a Debian's bootable USB on Windows?
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• 4017[20:56:27] <tomreyn> it's not clear what you mean by 'secure'.
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• 4020[20:57:12] <tomreyn> if you validate the gpg signate on the iso file checksum, and then checksum against the iso file, it should be secure, unless the usb connection or mass storage device isn't
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• 4022[20:57:39] <tomreyn> (or you loose control on your system by other means)
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• 4024[20:58:32] <tomreyn> if you just mean 'reliable' then any utility which verifies the data written should help. one of those is balena etcher. it's also a huge pile of electron junk. but user-friendly for gui folks.
• 4025[21:00:05] <Stonefruit> hello. I have a new laptop with a network controller which requires a 5.2+ kernel. I'd like to install Debian stable on the computer, but won't be able upgrade the kernel without accessing the wifi, which obviously is a problem. is there a simple workaround? (e.g. pre-downlaod all the necessary backported packages onto an external HD?)
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• 4028[21:01:23] <greycat> you could put the buster-backports kernel on a USB or CD or whatever
• 4029[21:01:35] <Stonefruit> what about the dependencies?
• 4030[21:01:41] <tomreyn> kristijonas: see above. you can probably do the same with less heavy utilities, too replaced-url
• 4031[21:01:56] <Stonefruit> could I somehow get them all pre-install?
• 4032[21:02:02] <greycat> if you also need firmware or whatever, same thing applies
• 4033[21:02:23] <petn-randall> Stonefruit: One way is to just download the kernel .deb and install it by hand after you finished installing. Other option is to use debootstrap, which is more complex, but will allow you to install whatever you want.
• 4034[21:03:20] <Stonefruit> petn-randall and greycat: I'd like to just download the .deb file, but, could I somehow verify what other packages I need beforehand? or does the kernel not have any dependencies?
• 4035[21:03:28] <tomreyn> Stonefruit: a usb to ethernet or wireless 'dongle' can also help there. or a smartphone which you tether through usb wire
• 4036[21:03:58] <petn-randall> !apt-offline
• 4037[21:03:58] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
• 4038[21:04:13] <greycat> ,depends linux-image-5.10.0-3-amd64 --release buster-backports
• 4039[21:04:18] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-5.10.0-3-amd64' was found in buster-backports/amd64.
• 4040[21:04:18] <petn-randall> Stonefruit: Not sure if it's installed by default. ^^^
• 4041[21:04:21] <greycat> ,kernels
• 4042[21:04:23] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-3-686-pae (5.10.13-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.10.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-14-686-pae (4.19.171-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.14-686 (4.19.171-2~deb9u1); jessie-
• 4043[21:04:24] <judd> backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 4045[21:04:35] <Stonefruit> petn-randall: thanks!! that's exactly it
• 4046[21:04:45] <greycat> ,depends linux-image-5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 --release buster-backports
• 4047[21:04:46] <judd> Package linux-image-5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 in buster-backports/amd64 -- depends: kmod, linux-base (>= 4.3~), initramfs-tools (>= 0.120+deb8u2) | linux-initramfs-tool.
• 4048[21:04:53] <greycat> There ya go.
• 4049[21:05:03] <Stonefruit> thanks everyone :)
• 4050[21:05:19] <kristijonas> tomreyn, thanks!
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• 4053[21:07:30] <kristijonas> tomreyn, normally, on Linux I just go with 'sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdX & sync' without any third-party software. So wondered if there was a similar way on Windows. Will check your link.
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• 4058[21:11:27] <greycat> hopefully && rather than &
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• 4061[21:12:48] <aminvakil> kristijonas: check out rufus replaced-url
• 4062[21:13:00] <greycat> !rufus
• 4063[21:13:00] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 4064[21:13:40] <aminvakil> greycat++
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• 4101[21:51:11] <urk> I just reconfigured the sources.list in preparation of downgrading from testing to stable, and wondering if anyone sees anything wrong with my new sources.list replaced-url
• 4102[21:51:31] <greycat> Downgrading is not supported, and apt won't do it.
• 4103[21:51:32] <urk> The old sources.list before the changes was replaced-url
• 4104[21:51:54] <urk> greycat> I'm following the instructions here replaced-url
• 4105[21:52:19] <greycat> Well have fun following random advice from stackexchange.
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• 4107[21:53:44] <urk> greycat> What had happened was that I had initially made two install sticks: one for stable, and one for testing. The stable install disk was faulty, wouldn't let me advance past the partition write stage, and didn't recognize my firmware. Additionally my other laptop was so old it wouldn't burn to a memory stick. So I had a choice: setup a DHCP and download from the net, or try the testing install disk. Either way there was going
• 4108[21:53:44] <urk> to be some extra work.
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• 4110[21:55:47] <alex11> is omemo with gajim not really working for other people?
• 4111[21:56:02] <alex11> the newer gajim seems to be fine so i wonder if omemo in debian is too old
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• 4116[22:03:48] <EdePopede> urk: i've read earlier your history, seems you ran into issues twice and both times instead of trying to fix them you chose another route making things more complicated.
• 4117[22:07:19] <urk> EdePopede> Not true. The first Debian stable install disk was defective, and wouldn't let me advance past the partition write phase. As a result, I downloaded was supposed to have been an improved version, and someone on here provided me a link to the hybrid file which has both the install disk, and a link for downloading from the net. Unfortunately my other laptop is more than 20 years old so I wasn't able to burn a USB. Since I
• 4118[22:07:19] <urk> already had a USB burned for testing, I chose to install that, but could have downloaded a link, and setup a DHCP. So not sure how I am to blame. The reason I posted on here is to see if anyone had suggestions on how I could improve my modified sources.list file before I finalize the downgrade replaced-url
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• 4120[22:08:05] <EdePopede> "defective", did you check it? md5 at least
• 4121[22:08:06] <urk> Testing is working ok but there are some bugs. Xfburn doesn't work correctly, and the bottom panel in XFCE disappears when you hover over it.
• 4122[22:08:37] <urk> EdePopede> It was extensively checked, and md5 is ok. It has a programming bug, and also wouldn't pick up my firmware.
• 4123[22:08:56] <urk> EdePopede> I had no such problem with the testing install disk.
• 4124[22:09:09] <urk> So how dow my sources.list file look? Did I forget anything?
• 4125[22:09:34] <urk> replaced-url
• 4126[22:11:15] <EdePopede> !sources.list
• 4127[22:11:15] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
• 4128[22:11:23] <EdePopede> urk, i don't see any update entry
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• 4130[22:12:09] <EdePopede> though don't take my word for it, the combinations can be confusing
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• 4132[22:13:47] * BlakesSeven looks around
• 4133[22:14:15] <EdePopede> you don't burn USB, you burn optical media. to sticks you just copy, may it be to the file system on it or to the raw media.
• 4134[22:14:48] <jmcnaught> Yeah I was just going to say, Xfburn is definitely not the right program for writing ISO to USB.
• 4135[22:14:51] <BlakesSeven> Just coming in on the convo, I'm kinda sorry I missed the question
• 4136[22:15:42] <EdePopede> whenever i may find the time i'll definitely check what they're doing to the ISOs
• 4137[22:17:08] <jmcnaught> urk: if you really want a stable/buster system and you currently have a testing/bullseye system it makes more sense to use the current install to make a new stable installer USB than to downgrade.
• 4138[22:17:12] <jmcnaught> !downgrade
• 4139[22:17:12] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
• 4140[22:17:17] <greycat> BlakesSeven: the context is "Hi! I'm following a random SE post that says I can downgrade testing to stable. Am I doing it right? Please read the entire SE post and then double check my work to make sure I'm doing this unsupported thing properly."
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• 4148[22:21:46] <kline> is there a good place to look at DPI with debian? i have a 2560x1440 screen connected to my laptop (eDP at 1336x768) and something has decided that my cursor now has to be 4x the size
• 4149[22:22:31] <greycat> if you're in X, xdpyinfo | grep 'dots per inch'
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• 4151[22:23:00] <kline> 96x96 dpi is listed, but im not sure what to do with that
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• 4154[22:23:19] <kline> everything is rendering fine in terms of windows and content, its just the cursor
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• 4156[22:23:41] <kline> im not sure where the decision is made about how big or small to make the cursor so i dont know how to tell it not to do this
• 4157[22:24:28] <qman__> my system's doing the same thing, I haven't bothered to try and fix it yet
• 4158[22:24:58] <qman__> 4k displays, cursor takes up like 3 lines of text
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• 4162[22:25:17] <kline> qman__, right, thats my issue
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• 4167[22:28:43] <kline> replaced-url
• 4168[22:29:03] <kline> look at that comedy-size cursor in the bottom window on the prose section of the man page
• 4169[22:29:23] <qman__> yeah
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• 4173[22:33:49] <kline> qman__, depending on how desperate you are, deleting your cursor theme pack solves this
• 4174[22:34:08] <kline> since it then falls back onto the X cursors that presumably do not have whatever is making this hidpi decision to scale
• 4175[22:34:18] <urk> jmcnaught> Do you know of a decent burner that works in testing? Xfburn "burn option" doesn't work, and is buggy.
• 4176[22:34:31] <kline> as a bonus, you get crisp bitmap cursors
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• 4180[22:36:23] <jmcnaught> urk: follow the instructions in the install manual, use 'cp' on the command line. It's easy: replaced-url
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• 4182[22:36:45] <greycat> cp is for writing to a USB device, not for burning an actual CD or DVD or BD
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• 4185[22:39:39] <jmcnaught> urk: I would consider staying on bullseye anyways. If I recall correctly your computer was too new for the kernel and firmware in the buster installer, and you would probably have to sneakernet newer packages after installation to get various devices working.
• 4186[22:40:49] <urk> jmcnaught> That was the original thought, but subsequently I found out from other Debian posts that there is no problem with XPS 15 7590. For that reason the problem was with the install disk. 7590 is supported by the current release of Debian stable, and will detect the firmware, etc, etc.
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• 4189[22:43:11] <urk> I'm trying to remember, whats the difference between lines that start with deb and deb-src in the sources.list file?
• 4190[22:43:20] <jmcnaught> urk: the XPS 15 7590 seems to have been released in fall 2019. Buster was frozen in late winter/early spring 2019.
• 4191[22:43:48] <greycat> deb-src points to source packages
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• 4193[22:44:24] <urk> jmcnaught> Does that mean stable is supported in XPS 15 7590?
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• 4195[22:45:35] <jmcnaught> urk: it means you probably need a newer kernel and firmware-iwlwifi package than what is included in buster. You can get newer kernel and firmware from buster-backports after installing buster, but if ethernet also does not work you will need to copy them on a USB stick.
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• 4197[22:46:30] <urk> ethernet appears to be working fine. I'm putting a line in my sources.list to pull from backports.
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• 4199[22:46:59] <jmcnaught> urk: for the record I think your plan to downgrade from bullseye to buster is a bad one.
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• 4203[22:53:04] <urk> Do I need both a line starting with deb, and another line starting with deb-src?
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• 4205[22:53:19] <urk> Seems like I would be getting redundancy.
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• 4207[22:53:35] <n4dir> deb-src lines are only needed if you plan to build packages from source, compile them
• 4208[22:53:57] <urk> n4dir> Thanks.
• 4209[22:54:16] <n4dir> you could still comment instead of remove them, and if you ever want to compile from source, you just uncomment them
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• 4215[22:59:27] <urk> n4dir> Is it ok to just have security updates instead of a line set aside for security in the sources.list?
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• 4218[23:00:33] <n4dir> i usually go with whatever wiki.debian.org has minus the deb-src lines
• 4219[23:00:43] <n4dir> without much thinking about it, that is
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• 4221[23:01:45] <urk> n4dir> You mean the installation guide? replaced-url
• 4222[23:02:50] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 4223[23:03:10] <urk> thanks
• 4224[23:03:32] <n4dir> i am not the right guy to ask about sources list. As said: i just use it as is without much thinking what does what exactly
• 4225[23:04:08] <urk> n4dir> This is all I need, and can probably figure it out from here.
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• 4227[23:04:42] <n4dir> yeah, sure. But if you address me directly, in case of further questions, ... i guess you got me
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• 4230[23:05:45] <kline> qman__, replaced-url
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• 4232[23:06:07] <kline> one or the other may do it, im tired so i just applied both directly to the forehead and it looks like after a relog its good
• 4233[23:06:39] <kline> the example size there is 16 but i understand 24 is the normal default and thats worked out well for me
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• 4242[23:10:59] <qman__> cool
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• 4306[23:54:27] <kingsley> Report: The Linux Foundation is partnering with the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
• 4307[23:54:39] <kingsley> replaced-url
• 4308[23:54:49] <kingsley> Wikipedia says DARPA develops U.S. military tech.
• 4309[23:55:02] <kingsley> replaced-url
• 4310[23:55:17] <kingsley> I hope no one gets hurt.
• 4311[23:55:23] <Mister00X> so?
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• 4313[23:56:12] <riff-IRC> !
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