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7 [00:12:54] <deadrom> deb8 (server is bound for upgrade, I know), realtek rtl 8169 chip. blinkenlights but no dhcp lease. need fancy firmware?
8 [00:13:34] <sney> yes, r8169 uses firmware, packaged in firmware-realtek
9 [00:13:36] <ws2k3> deadrom: try to configure a static ip and see if it works. i would not suspect a fancy firmware...
10 [00:13:48] <ratrace> but... rtl8169 works for me even without firmware
11 [00:13:50] <jezebel> shouldnt it tell you in the kernel logs?
12 [00:14:09] <jhutchins> !r8169
13 [00:14:09] <dpkg> r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
14 [00:14:52] <sney> mine uses firmware, it's specifically a RTL8211E, it might vary by specific chip
15 [00:15:03] <jhutchins> deadrom: Firmware messages show up in dmesg | grep firmware
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17 [00:18:10] <deadrom> ah, "interfaces" only had entries for eth0, but this interface now registeres as eth2
18 [00:18:57] <ratrace> might be good idea to lock your eth0 to NIC's MAC . That's the _real_ predictable naming thing.
19 [00:19:08] <deadrom> I added iface eth2 inet dhcp and restarted networking, still no lease. I brought the inteface up manually with ifconfig and now have a connection
20 [00:20:30] <deadrom> I'll install a nic eintel card anyway but for now this has to do. now getting it to auto-lease... uncomment eth0 since gone?
21 [00:21:50] <sney> if your interface name is wandering, I'd follow ratrace's advice and use a udev rule or systemd link (I don't remember the approach for jessie) to lock it in place
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26 [00:24:39] <deadrom> ratrace: I had to switch motherboards, I'm fairly certain it will come up as eth2 next time, but I'll keep it in mind
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29 [00:27:44] <deadrom> it's actually possible it's tied to xfce's network manager... xfce won't start right now, Xorg shenanigans after the hardware change, was intel, now is nouveu, lightdm was not happy
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31 [00:28:17] <sney> network-manager ignores any interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces so it's one or the other where that's concerned
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33 [00:29:15] <deadrom> ok, then I got no net becuase X did not come up
34 [00:29:42] <jhutchins> deadrom: You haven't even taken fifteen seconds to look at dmesg, have you?
35 [00:31:25] <deadrom> jhutchins: network? yes, it loaded r8169 and then did not mention the module further, stop the blame
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37 [00:31:46] <jhutchins> deadrom: Did you search for firmware?
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39 [00:32:27] <deadrom> yes, mentioned 8169e
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41 [00:32:49] <deadrom> and since the nix came up manually the firmware question was done
42 [00:33:02] <jhutchins> Did it say it was loading it, or that it was not found?
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44 [00:34:51] <deadrom> jhutchins: no direct loading
45 [00:34:56] <deadrom> uh
46 [00:35:00] <jhutchins> deadrom: There is a new interface naming mechanism that will always use the same ID for each interface. You might look into that. The old udev rules preserved old cards that had been removed. eth2 would imply that your system has seen 3.
47 [00:35:04] <deadrom> no, it sais "direct loading"
48 [00:35:19] <deadrom> yes perfectly possible
49 [00:36:05] <jhutchins> Ok, you didn't mention checking the firmwrae (that I saw, I'm doing other things). Do you have a handle on how to use the interfaces file?
50 [00:36:42] <deadrom> jhutchins: yes, clarified, this "pseudo server" has X, ans network manager in xfce takes care of things so interfaces, I am told, does not matter much
51 [00:37:11] <deadrom> task at hand now: "why does that old sata controller not see the 4 drives behind it"
52 [00:37:25] <deadrom> yeah yeah ask dmesg
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54 [00:39:12] <deadrom> f?!*s### no trace of it. where is it.
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57 [00:41:33] <deadrom> ok stuck on that one. machine has 3 sata controllers, bit hard to tell which is which. amd chipset ports are accounted for and working, but then I have two JMicron JMB363 devices, but can't tell which is which. on it sit 4 sata drives which I can hear and feel running but I don't see the drives
58 [00:42:21] <deadrom> machine has several Hitachi and now some new Seagate, dmesg mentions the Hitachis but not the Seagates. cat /proc/partitions does not see them either
59 [00:43:38] <jhutchins> deadrom: Ok, sorry for the redundancy. You understand that if you configure the nic with infaces, NM is supposed to ignore it, and it should just work.
60 [00:44:11] <jhutchins> deadrom: I understand that some of the stuff that used to go into dmesg may be getting sucked up by systemd's journaling.
61 [00:44:38] <deadrom> jhutchins: redundancy is ok, I rather take two people answering than none, but please think better of me than not to check logs ;)
62 [00:44:56] <deadrom> systemd is a good hint though
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70 [00:51:21] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone know of a power management utility that would prevent my laptop from overcharging the capacitors on my motherboad? I just found out that my motherboard was damaged from capacitors being overcharged. In the subject case, the battery was no good, and I just plugged the laptop in, and used it. But apparently this was a mistake, and I didn't realize it. Repair shop says the motherboard has maybe 6 months before it
71 [00:51:21] <Gigglebyte> completely goes. It is an older Dell Vostro that worked perfectly otherwise.
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73 [00:52:55] <deadrom> "overcharged capacitors"?
74 [00:53:08] <deadrom> and they told you that while the thing now works that it will die?
75 [00:53:33] <deadrom> what-- does it work right now or not?
76 [00:54:26] <deadrom> how do you know of the damage? how does the damage manifest? how do you know caps are damaged?
77 [00:54:49] <deadrom> i think they're trying to sell you a new laptop
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89 [01:08:28] <Gigglebyte> deadrow> The laptop went to a black screen while I was using it, and I took it to a repair shop. The repair shop does not charge for diagostics, and only charges for a repairs. I ended up buying a battery from him for $89. I wasn't aware of tests designed for prefailure of motherboards, but Linux does have built in pretests for failing hard drives. Having this information allows you to make necessary backups and upgrades
90 [01:08:29] <Gigglebyte> without loosing data, and minimizing down time.
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94 [01:09:32] <Gigglebyte> Also, I recall from the past that there are utilities that prevent batteries from overcharging. I am dealing with an overcharge situation. This particular shop is reasonable, and known for quality diagnostics, but it isn't a good shop if you have linux or data recovery issues. I have used them before, and feel comfortable going there. The guy doesn't sell laptops.
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97 [01:10:33] <Gigglebyte> I'm not sure it pays to put a motherboard in a laptop this old. This is a Dell Vostro 1520 which is ancient. I am leaning on buying a newer laptop, backup the data, copy it from the drive to the newer system, and donate the laptop as a gust laptop for the hostel I do site inspections for.
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104 [01:13:30] <Gigglebyte> deadrom: Do we have anything like this in Debian replaced-url
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106 [01:13:53] <Gigglebyte> This utility limits charging between 80% - 0%. However, the thresholds I would prefer would be 90% and 30%.
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111 [01:16:29] <salamitactics> the method you linked is specific to pre-ivy bridge thinkpads that can make use of the tp_smapi kernel module. starting/stopping charging is extremely vendor specific because it's handled in firmware on embedded controllers, the os has generally nothing to do with it afaik
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114 [01:17:46] <salamitactics> also frankly I'm not sure there's any real science behind these "battery health" claims about keeping below 80%
115 [01:20:36] <foxide> During the era of Ni-Cd batteries, there were a lot more gotchas.
116 [01:21:03] <foxide> Today's LiPo batteries are much more resilient.
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126 [01:31:56] <kristijonas> hello, what's up with the 'sudo' package update? anything serious?
127 [01:32:36] <JackFrost> sponix: Re: "zfs 2.0.1 backport to buster" you miiiight want to upload the source package too, just uploading *.deb files isn't really going to fly too much on a list like that. Also versioning it properly for a backport might be nice too, noting any changes being made.
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129 [01:34:17] <themill> kristijonas: replaced-url
130 [01:34:32] <themill> (you might want to subscribe to that list)
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133 [01:38:42] <kristijonas> themill, thank you!
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166 [02:08:55] <Celmor[m]> is there any way to get wifi working in the livecd session?
167 [02:09:17] <Celmor[m]> I've downloaded the driver since my iso didn't include non-free drivers but can't load the driver
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170 [02:11:27] <epitamizor> did you start wicd?
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172 [02:12:02] <Celmor[m]> what's that?
173 [02:12:31] <Celmor[m]> is it normal not to have modprove in a live-cd session?
174 [02:12:40] <Celmor[m]> modprobe*
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176 [02:13:13] <epitamizor> Wicd is a network connection manager that can manage wireless and wired interfaces
177 [02:13:41] <Celmor[m]> managing network connection isn't the issue here, the issue was that the driver is non-free and therefore wasn't included in the ISO
178 [02:13:52] <Celmor[m]> I've followed this guide to install the driver anyway replaced-url
179 [02:14:16] <epitamizor> does lspci list the adapter?
180 [02:14:18] <Celmor[m]> but am stack in the last point "At this point, the firmware is in place, but the kernel isn’t aware. The easiest resolution for this is to simply reboot the machine.", rebooting obviously isn't an option as it's a livecd session
181 [02:14:20] <Celmor[m]> yes
182 [02:14:31] <Celmor[m]> but there is no driver loaded for the device
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184 [02:14:37] <Celmor[m]> hence why I installed it manually
185 [02:14:39] <sney> so load the driver
186 [02:14:43] <Celmor[m]> how?
187 [02:14:51] <sney> modprobe
188 [02:15:00] <Celmor[m]> command not found
189 [02:15:04] <sney> !sbin
190 [02:15:04] <dpkg> Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root. See also <buster su>.
191 [02:16:05] <Celmor[m]> thanks though I don't understand the reasoning not to put modprobe in the PATH
192 [02:16:16] <Celmor[m]> the driver doesn't appear to successfully loaded though
193 [02:16:18] <sney> it can only be run as root, so it's in root's path.
194 [02:16:58] <sney> driver load messages print to dmesg
195 [02:17:27] <Celmor[m]> there isn't an error loading the driver but lspci still doesn't show a driver loaded for the device
196 [02:17:48] <sney> what driver is it?
197 [02:17:55] <Celmor[m]> iwlwifi
198 [02:18:17] <sney> anything in the output of 'dmesg |grep iwlwifi'? (don't paste to the channel, just look)
199 [02:18:21] <Celmor[m]> replaced-url
200 [02:18:54] <Celmor[m]> nope, as iwlwifi isn't mentioned by name
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202 [02:20:51] <sney> that's unusual, but if it's visible via lsmod then it did load. any wlp* devices visible in 'ip link show'?
203 [02:21:11] <Celmor[m]> no
204 [02:21:38] <sney> maybe the module was already loaded, sans firmware. try: 'modprobe -r iwlwifi;modprobe iwlwifi'
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209 [02:25:22] <Celmor[m]> it says "Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi" but I still don't see it's device in "ip l"
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211 [02:26:35] <Celmor[m]> replaced-url
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213 [02:27:52] <sney> 'iw dev'?
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215 [02:28:08] <Celmor[m]> nothing
216 [02:28:29] <sney> hrm
217 [02:28:33] <salamitactics> ls /sys/class/net
218 [02:28:34] <sney> is this system particularly new?
219 [02:28:46] <Celmor[m]> it's a livecd environment
220 [02:28:54] <sney> the hardware
221 [02:29:01] <Celmor[m]> it's a VM
222 [02:29:28] <Celmor[m]> the host system is modern though
223 [02:29:44] <sney> is the wifi controller that you are passing through to the guest particularly new? <2 years?
224 [02:29:52] <Celmor[m]> yes
225 [02:29:52] <Celmor[m]> AX200
226 [02:30:02] <Celmor[m]> replaced-url
227 [02:30:17] <sney> and there we have it. too new for buster's kernel. there is a testing livecd (with firmware included) I believe, let me dig up the link
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229 [02:30:39] <Celmor[m]> it's fine if you give me the firmware package
230 [02:30:45] <Celmor[m]> to download
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233 [02:31:18] <Celmor[m]> perhaps I should just choose a different distro (with sensible PATH)
234 [02:31:40] <sney> newer firmware is useless without the newer kernel. here is the testing livecd with firmware included, replaced-url
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237 [02:31:51] <sney> you will find that few if any linux distros give /sbin to a non-root user
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239 [02:31:59] <sney> but of course that is your choice, doesn't bother me
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243 [02:34:05] <Celmor[m]> thanks
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245 [02:34:23] <Celmor[m]> on any system I've used modprobe tab-completes as a user
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247 [02:34:47] <Celmor[m]> hence why I though it wasn't installed/available so I didn't even try running it with sudo
248 [02:35:43] <Celmor[m]> just putting it in the users PATH doesn't equate to giving the user permission to run it
249 [02:36:17] <sney> true, I haven't seen that, though I haven't used anything other than debian, centos, or illumos stuff in a few years so I can't speak to the ubuntus and arches of the world
250 [02:37:21] <Celmor[m]> that newer iso works with that wifi card right out-of-the box, nice
251 [02:37:50] <sney> the difference between linux 4.19 and linux 5.9 or 5.10, heh
252 [02:37:54] <Celmor[m]> could've gotten to the same conclusion that the default debian iso would have too old of software included
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254 [02:38:43] <Celmor[m]> I can't recall last time I've used a system with a 4.x kernel
255 [02:39:08] <Celmor[m]> even my own debian box has something newer though I've replaced the kernel on that one on day 1 (with proxmox' own one)
256 [02:39:09] <sney> debian is good for many things. support of very new devices is not one. we can usually get it going anyway, but it's not a strength
257 [02:40:01] <Celmor[m]> I've used another ax200 card on that proxmox (/debian) system hence why I didn't think debian livecd would give me problems
258 [02:40:22] <Celmor[m]> (I did install that using a debian iso too)
259 [02:40:44] <sney> bullseye will release this year, so buster is really feeling old atm. anyway, feel free to ask if you need help with anything else
260 [02:42:08] <Celmor[m]> well, I did try intels gvt-g once, didn't work at all (gave errors in dmesg)
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262 [02:42:26] <Celmor[m]> though I'm not sure how much debian is at fault there
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267 [02:44:38] <Celmor[m]> is there a utility to tell me the apt package name for an executable I'm missing? had problems finding the right package without a bunch of web searching from the binary name
268 [02:45:00] <sney> yup
269 [02:45:02] <sney> !apt-file
270 [02:45:02] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "apt install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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273 [02:45:26] <sney> we also have a channel bot that can do it, e.g.
274 [02:45:30] <sney> ,file iwconfig
275 [02:45:37] <judd> Search for iwconfig in buster/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig; grc: usr/share/grc/conf.iwconfig; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/iwconfig; zsh-common: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig
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277 [02:45:54] <Celmor[m]> was thinking more along the lines of it suggesting me the package name when I try to run an executable it knows is not installed but provided by package X
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280 [02:46:48] <Celmor[m]> gotta hate those usr/share/bash-completion/completions/... results
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282 [02:47:01] <sney> ahhh yeah, ubuntu has that by default, what's it called...
283 [02:47:11] <jmcnaught> ,i command-not-found
284 [02:47:15] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k
285 [02:47:25] <sney> lol of course
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287 [02:47:30] <Celmor[m]> I did try command-not-found once, it just errored every time
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289 [02:47:55] <sney> it might have needed some kind of first time setup, a la apt-file update
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292 [02:48:36] <jmcnaught> I don't use it, but it has a README.Debian according to apt-file.
293 [02:48:44] <johnfg> Don't know if I said it here, but thanks to all who helped be get openafs-client-1.8.6-5 built and installed and working!
294 [02:49:11] <sney> indeed, it is *exactly* like apt-file: replaced-url
295 [02:49:19] <sney> johnfg: you're welcome, glad to help.
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299 [02:51:57] <Celmor[m]> that README.Debian doesn't tell me how to set it up though (other than updating cache). I do remember putting something in my bashrc last time I've tried it though
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301 [02:54:48] <sney> setup instructions are in upstream's readme (which the binary package would install to /usr/share/doc/command-not-found), replaced-url
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303 [02:55:45] <sney> something like this would probably benefit from a debconf prompt asking if it should be enabled globally or for x users, but it has a fairly low popcon score too
304 [02:56:23] <Celmor[m]> oh, I did navigate to it but didn't see the part where it explains the bashrc (instead my eyes jumped to the bottom sqlite snippet which made me think it doesn't explain how to set it up in bashrc)
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306 [02:58:18] <Celmor[m]> /etc/zsh_command_not_found isn't included in the package
307 [02:59:00] <Celmor[m]> /etc/bash_command_not_found * (the zsh one is)
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310 [03:00:47] <themill> /etc/bash.bashrc sets it up for all users if it's installed
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312 [03:01:16] <Celmor[m]> that's the global bashrc, the script that needs to be referenced from a bashrc is what I'm missing
313 [03:01:27] <sney> indeed, it's not in the filelist: replaced-url
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315 [03:02:10] <themill> Celmor[m]: if you're somehow not using /etc/bash.bashrc, then copy that bit
316 [03:03:34] <Celmor[m]> sourcing /etc/bash.bashrc manually works, didn't know /etc/bash.bashrc already was setup for command-not-found
317 [03:04:14] <sney> and in that case the readme is wrong too
318 [03:05:43] <Celmor[m]> yep, now I recall I had this exact problem last time as weell
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331 [03:29:34] <rue_shop1> hey, is there a new method for mounting a floppy drive?
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333 [03:30:57] <ectospasm> rue_shop1: no
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335 [03:31:26] <ectospasm> simply run `sudo mount /dev/<floppy device> /mntpoint
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337 [03:31:40] <ectospasm> You may need to specify the filesystem with -t
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339 [03:31:50] <rue_shop1> ok, there is no /dev/fd1
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341 [03:31:52] <sney> or potentially 'modprobe floppy' to get the driver
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343 [03:33:03] <rue_shop1> ok, I got /dev/fd0 and its working
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350 [03:34:11] <rue_shop1> mknod to create fd1?
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354 [03:36:00] <sney> yep, 'mknod /dev/fd1 b 2 1' going by modinfo floppy
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356 [03:36:13] <sney> of all the things to remember without looking up
357 [03:36:35] <rue_shop1> if the bios only has settings for 1 floppy drive, will the kernel not operate the second?
358 [03:36:50] <rue_shop1> /dev/fd1, not a valid block deivce
359 [03:37:58] <rue_shop1> hmm during boot it didn't pick up on fd1
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361 [03:45:11] <rue_shop1> fd1 not a valid block device
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365 [03:47:31] <rue_shop1> maybe its just not detecting the disk?
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367 [03:49:06] <rue_shop1> post boot floppy detection anyone?
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369 [03:49:16] <rue_shop1> post boot floppy drive detection anyone?
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372 [03:50:03] <rue_shop1> cmon, I promise not to ask about the punchcard reader after this
373 [03:50:48] <rue_shop1> ok, lets try this angle
374 [03:50:57] <rue_shop1> how do I get the options for a kernel module?
375 [03:51:01] <rue_shop1> non in modinfo
376 [03:51:05] <rue_shop1> e
377 [03:52:03] <jezebel> do you mean what's been set or whta you can set?
378 [03:52:10] <rue_shop1> what I can set
379 [03:52:23] <jezebel> find the module's documentation?
380 [03:52:27] <rue_shop1> I want to know if I can dictate what drives exist for the floppy module
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383 [03:54:11] <sney> if the bios doesn't see it you are probably out of luck
384 [03:54:18] <rue_shop1> what!?
385 [03:54:34] <rue_shop1> it looks like this bios only provisions one floppy drive
386 [03:54:35] <sney> and yes, the options for the module are the 3 parameters listed at the bottom of 'modinfo floppy'
387 [03:54:41] <jezebel> replaced-url
388 [03:54:42] <rue_shop1> ?
389 [03:54:58] <rue_shop1> heh
390 [03:55:01] <rue_shop1> totally missed that
391 [03:55:04] <jezebel> the parm: bits
392 [03:55:30] <rue_shop1> hmm
393 [03:55:54] <rue_shop1> I wonder if the floppy module is locked into whatever the bios says
394 [03:56:16] <rue_shop1> which I dont get, cause I dont know of any bios that can do 4 drives
395 [03:56:25] <rue_shop1> but I'm sure linux supports them
396 [03:57:19] <jezebel> wouldnt that depend on the bus?
397 [03:57:38] <jezebel> anyways bed, 3am
398 [03:58:23] <rue_shop1> floppy=<drive>,<type>,cmos
399 [03:59:09] <rue_shop1> ok so my drive 0 is a type 4, and my drive 1 is type 2
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403 [04:00:28] <rue_shop1> oh these are lilo options
404 [04:00:38] <rue_shop1> wonder if I'm using liloon this one
405 [04:00:56] <rue_shop1> damn this ones grub
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407 [04:01:46] <rue_shop1> but its a kernel option...
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410 [04:03:05] <rue_shop1> "floppy=0,4,cmos floppy=1,2,cmos"
411 [04:03:12] <rue_shop1> tho, its picking up on drive 0 ok
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413 [04:03:56] <rue_shop1> so, how the heck do I add a kernel option to grub
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418 [04:06:11] <ectospasm> rue_shop1: edit /etc/default/grub
419 [04:06:25] <ectospasm> Then, run grub-mkconfig as root
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422 [04:13:00] <rue_shop1> thankyou!
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437 [04:32:01] <peebowo> hello :)
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440 [04:34:49] <sney> hi
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442 [04:35:17] <peebowo> anyone know how to fork debian to remove systemd>
443 [04:35:18] <peebowo> ?
444 [04:35:22] <foxide> Why?
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446 [04:35:34] <peebowo> i dont like systemd
447 [04:35:35] <sney> !devuan
448 [04:35:35] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
449 [04:35:37] <foxide> Better to spend the time learning how to use it, since it'll be there going forward.
450 [04:35:54] <peebowo> thx dpkg
451 [04:36:06] <peebowo> bye :-)
452 [04:36:09] <sney> if you're at an "anyone know how to fork" level of understanding, and you want to use software from the past, devuan is probably your best bet
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455 [04:36:42] <foxide> Their best bet is to stop blindly following fud and learn how to use the new tools.
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457 [04:37:31] <sney> I agree tbh, but there's no technical argument you can make on an irc channel that will convince people who don't like systemd for stupid reasons to change their minds
458 [04:37:41] <foxide> Never said to.
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460 [04:37:57] <foxide> "Debian uses systemd. We support Debian. If you want to use Debian, learn to use systemd."
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462 [04:38:08] <foxide> Google exists for those who are that dedicated to the fud.
463 [04:38:12] <sney> indeed
464 [04:38:59] <foxide> I damn sure won't support a distro whose entire existence is because of and devoted to the continuation of fud. Food, maybe, but not fud.
465 [04:39:24] <JackFrost> foxide: I think you can stop now.
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467 [04:39:49] <foxide> Don't recall asking you.
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755 [06:12:10] <Whyvn> dpkg --configure -a does not return anything
756 [06:12:10] <dpkg> Whyvn: i haven't a clue
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758 [06:13:46] <sponix> JackFrost: well that is just me doing !ssb and following along. no mods, source from sid.
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760 [06:14:07] <JackFrost> I see...
761 [06:14:16] <sponix> JackFrost: I'd like to just maintain that backport, but someone else already has it and does a good job, they just run a bit later than I'd like :)
762 [06:14:55] <sponix> JackFrost: appreciate the tips though. I am pretty new to Debian ways, still learning for sure
763 [06:15:13] <JackFrost> sponix: Tip: `dch --bpo`
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769 [06:27:24] <sponix> nice
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874 [08:05:43] <Lope> I often get a prompt to accept a Hauppage wireless agreement when I do updates etc. Anyone know what package is related to Hauppage wireless stuff?
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888 [08:20:09] <ratrace> Lope: firmware-ivtv?
889 [08:22:46] <Lope> ratrace, brilliant, thanks!
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918 [09:00:51] <Aristide> Hello ! I'm trying to have QtCurve theme on Qt5 applications outside of KDE5 session. But, from KDE its work, but not from Trinity Desktop or other GTK desktop env. I have try qt5ct, but when I use Qt5ct, PyQt5 app are not closed when last Window is closed (close without problem without Qt5ct). Do you have an idea for use QtCurve on Qt5 app without Qt5ct ?
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920 [09:02:18] <Aristide> Forget, I have find « QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE= » env var its work :)
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937 [09:25:31] <ratrace> Doink! that's the sound of the Purchase button on the $3k workstation/gaming-rig thingy online order. 32 gee bees of ee see see rahms! dual nvmes 960 evo thingies! btrfs raid1 for debian host (workstation part), mdadm raid0 for win VM (gaming part). LUKS galore! --zomg-fast. ah em dee 5800x. RTX3060Ti. eat my shorts!
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944 [09:36:57] <jelly> ECHAN again?
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957 [09:52:50] <ratrace> yup . I rearranged channel order in irssi and now finger memory kicks in with wrong numbers
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966 [10:00:56] <Haohmaru> bad fingers, beat them with a stick
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986 [10:18:46] <incal> hello, how can I get a hyperlink to a particular file in a pack? e.g., definitions.units of the units pack, i.e. units-2.21 ? TIA
987 [10:19:01] <hwm4rgs> you look lost
988 [10:21:35] <nkuttler> incal: afaik you can only download full archives.. or source code..
989 [10:23:15] <incal> nkuttler, OK, and you can't get a reference (link) with a command either? can you construct the URL if you know the units-2.21/definitions.units parts?
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991 [10:23:52] <nkuttler> incal: url?
992 [10:24:26] <nkuttler> incal: not really sure what you're asking..
993 [10:24:27] <incal> I take it all the software is online?
994 [10:24:32] <nkuttler> yes
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996 [10:26:20] <incal> so where is for example units-2.21/definitions.units ?
997 [10:27:20] <nkuttler> incal: you can find links here replaced-url
998 [10:27:31] <nkuttler> incal: you can not download that individual file alone
999 [10:27:41] <nkuttler> incal: if you have a debian system installed, apt install units
1000 [10:27:57] <nkuttler> incal: if you want to find that *file* on *your* disk, dpkg -S <filename>
1001 [10:28:09] <incal> I'm looking for a URL to the file online
1002 [10:28:18] <nkuttler> how many times do i have to repeat myself?
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1006 [10:29:30] <incal> ?
1007 [10:29:43] <nkuttler> incal: you can not download that individual file alone
1008 [10:31:00] <incal> it isn't available online with a browser?
1009 [10:31:06] <nkuttler> no
1010 [10:31:12] <incal> ha
1011 [10:31:33] <incal> OK thanks
1012 [10:33:17] <nkuttler> incal: if you check replaced-url
1013 [10:33:33] <nkuttler> but there is no guarantee the file is inside, or is the one in the package
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1015 [10:37:28] <incal> cp $(dpkg -S definitions.units | awk '{print $2}') ~/public_html/units
1016 [10:37:32] <themill> As that file happens to be the same in both the source package and the binary package, replaced-url
1017 [10:37:51] <incal> replaced-url
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1022 [10:40:37] <incal> check out my own contribution which is lines 7243-7254 :) very useful :D
1023 [10:41:06] <incal> fakta för fan(s)
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1027 [10:45:30] <incal> nkuttler, replaced-url
1028 [10:45:57] <incal> it is still in some interface but good enough for a reference
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1030 [10:47:27] <incal> good enough for government work
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1032 [10:48:28] <incal> so it is replaced-url
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1037 [10:51:50] <themill> replaced-url
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1042 [10:56:57] <incal> $ aptitude show units | grep '^Version: ' | awk '{print $2}' # 2.21-1
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1047 [11:00:13] <incal> $ file-url units definitions.units # replaced-url
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1050 [11:00:38] <Fox> useless use of grep
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1054 [11:02:55] <serard> hello
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1056 [11:03:45] <incal> Fox, useless use of IRC
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1058 [11:04:31] <Fox> sure
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1069 [11:09:25] <incal> Fox, you mean like this instead? aptitude show units | awk '/Version/{print $2}' - no grep?
1070 [11:09:36] <incal> cool
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1073 [11:11:47] <Fox> yep
1074 [11:12:27] <incal> saves a fork
1075 [11:13:01] <incal> or a pipe?
1076 [11:13:34] <incal> does it always fork when you pipe?
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1078 [11:14:07] <incal> IPC works that way, to be able to pass the value?
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1080 [11:14:31] <incal> why can't you just invoke another process with the value as argument?
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1092 [11:27:59] <hop> incal: because it's not an argument…
1093 [11:28:45] <hop> incal: grep and awk operate on streams on stdin/stdout (or files)
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1095 [11:31:48] <Voldenet> incal: you can pass things as an argument, but binaries usually write to stdout, it's easier to use that way
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1098 [11:33:22] <Voldenet> in fact, I'd just do this and get bonus points for unusual syntax: perl -le "print qx'aptitude show units'=~m'Version: (.+)'"
1099 [11:33:43] <splinterbyte> is there a workaround/patch for CVE-2021-3156 (sudo) on debian 8 ?
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1102 [11:37:30] <incal> hop, Voldenet, OK
1103 [11:37:42] <incal> cool Perl :)
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1105 [11:37:58] <themill> or just «dpkg-query -W -f '${Version}' units»
1106 [11:38:25] <incal> DNC
1107 [11:38:52] <incal> the Perl works
1108 [11:39:00] <Voldenet> dpkg-query is more solid solution tho
1109 [11:39:05] <incal> $ perl -le "print qx'aptitude show units'=~m'Version: (.+)'" # 2.21-1
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1111 [11:39:30] <incal> for me it doesn't output anything?
1112 [11:39:52] <incal> $ dpkg-query -W -f '${Version}' units # no output?
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1117 [11:45:41] <Voldenet> Ah, dpkg-query lists only installed packages, right
1118 [11:46:21] <incal> dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W units
1119 [11:46:26] <incal> # 2.21-1
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1121 [11:46:39] <incal> newline
1122 [11:46:42] <incal> needed
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1124 [11:46:57] <incal> OK, replacing...
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1126 [11:47:44] <incal> thanks
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1128 [11:48:10] <incal> now it is local ver=$(dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W $pack) <replaced-url
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1133 [11:54:37] <incal> so it is forked and used with arrays because it is (or can be) a stream of data, not just a single value that can be passed as a single argument?
1134 [11:54:59] <incal> or file descriptor
1135 [11:55:03] <incal> buffer
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1137 [11:57:54] <incal> can you beam in the other direction as well? bidirectional pipes heh
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1139 [11:58:34] <incal> definition of pipe, a cylinder with two holes, and the diameter of the holes cannot be bigger than that of the cylinder...
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1145 [12:04:26] <daimon> hey all how do I find out what version of debian I am running (its in an old vm, just want to see what it is)
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1147 [12:05:22] <daimon> ah found it 8.11 fun
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1159 [12:14:18] <jezebel> how do i find out what driver a ethernet interface is using?
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1194 [13:11:46] <jezebel> what WM would you use for a thin client? hmmm
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1197 [13:13:54] <jelly> how thin is it
1198 [13:14:46] <Haohmaru> it cuts thru crapdows10 like thru butter
1199 [13:15:17] <Haohmaru> what does "thin client" mean even?
1200 [13:15:41] <jelly> less than 2cm?
1201 [13:15:54] <jezebel> all work is remote
1202 [13:16:09] <jezebel> super thin
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1204 [13:16:17] <jezebel> only local stuf i do is update packages
1205 [13:16:21] <Haohmaru> you mean like vnc stuff?
1206 [13:16:29] <jezebel> yeah
1207 [13:16:44] <jelly> remote over ssh, vnc, rdp? if it's full screen rdp then it doesn't really matter which wm you use
1208 [13:17:15] <jelly> pick one, eg. fluxbox, see if it's good enough
1209 [13:17:37] <Haohmaru> lxde doesn't use much resources, it uses openbox
1210 [13:18:17] <Haohmaru> xfce4 afaik too, that uses xfwm4 i think
1211 [13:18:36] <jelly> xfwm4 uses lots of xfce libs
1212 [13:18:38] <ratrace> xfce is not really thing. that's chubby, going toward BBWM
1213 [13:18:51] <jezebel> i know technically i dont need a wm
1214 [13:19:14] <jelly> but are we talking a system with 1GB or less, or 4GB or more
1215 [13:19:16] <Haohmaru> i want muh window framez with titlebarz
1216 [13:19:17] <ratrace> you know what I'd do? I'd go to r/unixporn and pick whatever WM has the best theme I liked
1217 [13:19:21] <ratrace> that said, I use i3-wm.
1218 [13:19:25] <jezebel> 1gb
1219 [13:19:47] <jelly> I've heard good things about i3. Never tried it.
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1221 [13:19:59] <Haohmaru> i tried i3, it's for h4x0rz
1222 [13:20:13] <jezebel> openbox isnt maintained anymore
1223 [13:20:22] <Haohmaru> huh?!
1224 [13:20:29] <jezebel> upstream
1225 [13:20:30] <jelly> does it even matter
1226 [13:20:31] <ratrace> jelly: there's some swearing and tableflipping involved with windows that wanna be their own managers (cough, steam, cough), but otherwise awesome
1227 [13:20:33] <jezebel> develope^
1228 [13:20:36] <jezebel> hmmm i'm not sure
1229 [13:20:53] <jelly> if it's tiny an has a minimum of bugs and stuff works, who cares
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1231 [13:21:26] <jelly> ratrace, you're right, there's also awesome!
1232 [13:21:51] <ratrace> do you mind ify ou have to recompile it in order to reconfigure it? [y] [n] if [y], goto dwm.suckless.org
1233 [13:21:57] <jelly> ,i awesome
1234 [13:22:00] <judd> Package awesome (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: highly configurable X window manager. Version: 4.3-4; Size: 918.9k; Installed: 2915k; Homepage: replaced-url
1235 [13:22:04] <Haohmaru> if it's bug-free it can live forever
1236 [13:22:05] <Haohmaru> ;P~
1237 [13:22:11] <Onyx47> I just started using i3 myself, not sure about Steam, seemed fine to me, but IntelliJ stuff was a pain, in the end it turns out I just had to clear project settings for those, for some stupid reason it saves... *something* in there, opening any existing project would result in corrupted rendering of the window
1238 [13:22:14] <ratrace> jelly: yeah, I realized the pun after I hit enter. too late by then :)
1239 [13:22:20] <Onyx47> how you even do that, I don't want to know...
1240 [13:22:35] <ratrace> Onyx47: I use pycharm which is basically the same engine, no probs
1241 [13:22:40] <jelly> fvwm 1.24r
1242 [13:23:04] <jelly> ,i fvwm1
1243 [13:23:05] <judd> Package fvwm1 (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Old version of the F(?) Virtual Window Manager. Version: 1.24r-56+b1; Size: 258.7k; Installed: 733k
1244 [13:23:19] <jelly> hasn't changed in 20+ years or so
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1247 [13:24:46] <serafeim> lol i was using fvwm back in 1998 with slackware linux 3.6
1248 [13:24:54] <Onyx47> ratrace: it was fine for any new project, only old ones were an issue, basically deleted all .idea files from project dirs, works now /shrug
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1250 [13:25:55] <Onyx47> home machine - no problems even when opening old projects... as I said, the less I know, the less headaches I'll have, I'll just take the win and not look back
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1258 [13:28:38] <ratrace> Onyx47: ah that's possible. pycharm at least had a few bugs which were meanwhile fixed, under i3 you couldn't get the focus back if you meta-# to another viewport
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1261 [13:29:20] <ratrace> there was a bug report for a year or so, but now that's cleared. and it also works properly under dmenu, as it previously had issues with terminating python processes
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1365 [15:25:17] <dka> does scrcpy existe for debian stretch ?
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1375 [15:30:01] <jelly> ,v scrcpy
1376 [15:30:02] <judd> Package: scrcpy on amd64 -- sid: 1.17-1
1377 [15:30:16] <jelly> dka, maybe if you backport it
1378 [15:30:29] <jelly> ,checkbackport scrcpy
1379 [15:30:30] <judd> Backporting package scrcpy in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
1380 [15:30:45] <jelly> maybe not
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1382 [15:33:08] <karlpinc> Humm. I just opened a file:/// url in firefox-esr and it seems to be sitting there sucking 20% of one cpu forever.
1383 [15:34:43] <mangowater> damn
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1385 [15:36:00] <karlpinc> Does the same thing after closing and re-opening firefox-esr. I guess it's time for an strace an a bug report ....
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1388 [15:39:41] <jpcooper> Hello. I am running Buster. I am having trouble with input on both xfce-terminal and gnome-terminal. Things like text not wrapping to the next line, but overwritting from the beginning of the current line. When I do a C-c afterwards, the cursor is in the wrong place. The fact that this issue is present on both terminals leads me to think that something is up with readline. Has anyone else come across this? It's driving me mad
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1390 [15:40:16] <jpcooper> Word movement with M-b and M-f is broken a lot of the time as well, where the cursor position is n off where it should be
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1397 [15:48:57] <jelly> jpcooper, maybe it's just an incorrect setting for TERM
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1399 [15:49:39] <jelly> jpcooper, what does echo $TERM say in both. Also, run "uxterm" or "xterm", see if the symptoms appear there as well
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1437 [16:22:15] <incal> the file and only the file, "raw" if you will, browsable and downloadable: replaced-url
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1445 [16:28:03] <jelly> TIL gmane still lives
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1460 [16:36:59] <incal> you are welcome
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1475 [16:43:45] <jpcooper> jelly: It's xterm-256color for both. Sadly xterm doesn't handle M-b and M-f. It inserts sily characters
1476 [16:44:00] <jpcooper> Same for uxterm
1477 [16:44:23] <greycat> This ... sounds like a shell/readline thing.
1478 [16:44:41] <jpcooper> Yes
1479 [16:45:17] <greycat> Are you trying to make Alt-b work like Esc b in bash in xterm?
1480 [16:45:28] <greycat> (presumably in emacs mode)
1481 [16:45:52] <jpcooper> Yes, move back a word. I was presuming that xterm uses readline as well
1482 [16:46:02] <jpcooper> In emacs mode
1483 [16:46:09] <greycat> xterm does not "use readline". xterm is an X client, and it talks to the X server and gets key events.
1484 [16:46:32] <jezebel> can you tput reset o something?
1485 [16:46:36] <jpcooper> I am also trying to get line wrapping to work correctly. Currently the line is wrapping to the same line, which is absurd
1486 [16:46:39] <greycat> What you want to do it learn what sequence of bytes xterm sends to bash when you press Alt-b, and then configure that in your ~/.inputrc for readline/bash to use.
1487 [16:46:41] <jpcooper> jezebel: I tried reset
1488 [16:47:03] <jpcooper> I would rather continue using xfce-terminal or switch to gnome-terminal
1489 [16:47:06] <greycat> And then the same for Alt-f and whatever else.
1490 [16:47:36] <greycat> For the record, in xterm on buster, ESC b sends ESC b, and Alt-b sends â
1491 [16:47:42] <greycat> I don't know whether that's the same for you.
1492 [16:47:49] <jpcooper> What is funny is that ipython3 does not have this problem. I am assuming that it uses readline as well
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1494 [16:48:05] <jpcooper> Yes. It shows a with a hat
1495 [16:48:21] <greycat> You can configure readline to map that to whatever functionality you desire.
1496 [16:48:41] <jelly> which login shell are you using?
1497 [16:48:42] <jezebel> what's you keyboard settnig?
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1499 [16:48:56] <jpcooper> The issue is that word movements are sometimes off by n, and that lines are wrapping to the same line
1500 [16:49:09] <jezebel> oh
1501 [16:49:29] <jezebel> line endings issue?
1502 [16:49:36] <greycat> jpcooper: that might be a separate issue, if your shell prompt is misconfigured...
1503 [16:49:37] <jpcooper> The off by n also remains when I do a C-l or C-c. I think I am on lightdm. I will check keyboard
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1505 [16:49:55] * jelly blames bash
1506 [16:50:01] <jpcooper> greycat: That might be a good point. I changed my prompt recently
1507 [16:50:24] <greycat> replaced-url
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1509 [16:50:26] <jezebel> echo $PS1
1510 [16:50:44] <jelly> zsh can be told which parts of the prompt move the cursor and which do not
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1512 [16:50:49] <greycat> same in bash
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1515 [16:51:23] <jpcooper> Well that seems to have worked. Thank you all
1516 [16:51:38] <jelly> !win jpcooper
1517 [16:51:38] <dpkg> Congratulations, jpcooper! You have won the US presidency!
1518 [16:52:13] <jpcooper> Well that means I don't need to use a computer anymore
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1520 [16:56:00] <jelly> nope, you still do, and say hi to Harris
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1525 [16:58:23] <jpcooper> Damn it
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1540 [17:08:44] <becks`> hi, my debian 10.7 was running out of diskspace (all in one partition), after I freed some space my /etc/resolv.conf suddenly was empty... somebody know what could cause this?
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1542 [17:09:10] <greycat> if the disk *was* full the last time something tried to write to it...
1543 [17:10:23] <becks`> thanks, wonder what would try to modify it ;D
1544 [17:10:32] <greycat> usually a DHCP client daemon
1545 [17:10:37] <greycat> !override dns
1546 [17:10:37] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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1548 [17:12:06] <becks`> ah, thanks a lot... the server indeed is using dhcp. makes sense :)
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1576 [17:34:03] <Non-ICE> why am i pulling my hair about getting debian to run a bash script after boot?
1577 [17:34:52] <Haohmaru> coz it usually grows back?
1578 [17:34:55] <greycat> What does this script do, and why does it need to run after boot?
1579 [17:35:11] <Non-ICE> it controls the host fans via ipmi
1580 [17:35:26] <greycat> Sounds like a good candidate for rc.local, then.
1581 [17:35:30] <Non-ICE> i have tried stuffin it int /etc/init.d
1582 [17:35:37] <greycat> That's ancient. Stop that.
1583 [17:35:37] <Non-ICE> i have tried getting crontab to do it
1584 [17:35:38] <greycat> !rc.local
1585 [17:35:39] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch or newer you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
1586 [17:36:00] <greycat> Either use rc.local or use a full-blown systemd unit. Do not use legacy init.d crap.
1587 [17:36:04] <Non-ICE> i readsomewhere that if its an ever running script rc.local was a bad idea?
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1589 [17:36:12] <greycat> init.d is SO MUCH WORSE
1590 [17:37:12] <Non-ICE> how do i make a systemd unit?
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1594 [17:37:35] <greycat> replaced-url
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1690 [17:44:17] <Non-ICE> neat, it worked!
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1761 [18:06:38] <Non-ICE> thx, GreenRiot
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1764 [18:07:09] <Non-ICE> err
1765 [18:07:14] <Non-ICE> thx, greycat
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1771 [18:09:22] <yogoyo> ,v sudo
1772 [18:09:23] <judd> Package: sudo on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; buster: 1.8.27-1+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.8.27-1+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.9.5p1-1.1; sid: 1.9.5p2-1
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1783 [18:16:46] <ratrace> it's 2021... we should really stop advising rc.local
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1837 [18:31:19] <cakeface> do you use testing or stable? I am considering testing on my daily machine and wasnt sure if thats a bad idea. Thoughts?
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1839 [18:32:19] <azeem> well right now it's probably fine, seeing how testing is half-frozen
1840 [18:32:44] <azeem> personally, I'm running stable on my work notebook
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1842 [18:33:15] <ratrace> !testing-security
1843 [18:33:15] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
1844 [18:33:23] <ratrace> if you're okay with this, go for it.
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1848 [18:34:04] <cakeface> ratrace, thanks. you are awesome
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1851 [18:34:48] <JackFrost> cakeface: What's preferred by others may not be the same as your preference. What worries you the most out of this move? What do you seek to gain the most?
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1858 [18:36:38] <cakeface> jackFrost, wanted to see if it was recommended for a daily driver :) always enjoy hearing opinions and feedback
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1865 [18:38:10] <JackFrost> From what I understand, sometimes GNOME and KDE transitions can be a little rough, as can other transitions. That's where testing is usually safer, but you should always read what apt wants to install or remove with upgrades. I personally use unstable, but like I say my needs may differ from yours. :)
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1869 [18:39:17] <greycat> If a desktop environment breaks in testing, it'll tend to stay broken for a while.
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1872 [18:41:18] <JackFrost> OK. Like I say, I've just heard that those two desktops can be a bit fun in unstable/testing, I don't know firsthand. Guess maybe not.
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1878 [18:44:32] <cakeface> thanks much - I was concerned at first of commenting out the security lines in sources just didnt "feel" right :D
1879 [18:45:07] <JackFrost> FWIW, supportt will now have to be on OFTC in #debian-next, if you don't use stable.
1880 [18:45:32] <greycat> You can add the (correct, new) support lines for bullseye in preparation for when it actually gets updates.
1881 [18:46:01] <greycat> I meant security lines.
1882 [18:48:18] <cakeface> thanks - no matter what distro I try I always come back to debian. every. time.
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1887 [18:52:04] <omnidapps> In the WLAN bridging section of this page replaced-url
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1891 [18:52:53] <omnidapps> This setup works perfectly using either the wifi nic physical address or the MAC prior to bridging... and then it stops working... gets really high pings and eventually disconnects
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1893 [18:53:20] <[-_-]> meow
1894 [18:53:23] <omnidapps> I thought it was something to do with SNAT and tried masquerade NAT and same issue
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1896 [18:53:36] <[-_-]> Is there a channel for hurd?
1897 [18:53:44] <omnidapps> What’s hurd
1898 [18:53:50] <greycat> /msg alis list *hurd*
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1900 [18:54:00] <[-_-]> debian hurd
1901 [18:54:22] <greycat> most Debian channels are on the OFTC network
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1903 [18:54:34] <[-_-]> ouuuu, thanks greycat :)
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1905 [18:54:48] <omnidapps> Looks like #hurd on that network I think but I’m new here haha
1906 [18:55:30] <omnidapps> Well.. i saw stuff at #hurd from 2014 on freenode maybe it’s something else
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2075 [19:36:02] <de-facto> how can i find the PID of a process that shows as "-" in netstat -tulpn run as root?
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2081 [19:38:38] <foxide> de-facto: which part is showing "-"? (PS: netstat has been deprecated for years; use 'ss', its replacement.)
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2083 [19:39:16] <de-facto> how would i do "netstat -tulpn" in ss?
2084 [19:39:25] <foxide> ss -tulpn
2085 [19:39:27] <foxide> :P
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2087 [19:39:49] <foxide> They tried to keep the syntax familiar in as many places as possible.
2088 [19:40:26] <foxide> de-facto: replaced-url
2089 [19:40:49] <de-facto> hmm can ss show the pid?
2090 [19:41:02] <greycat> Try it.
2091 [19:42:33] <de-facto> it does not show the pid either for that port
2092 [19:42:45] <de-facto> i just want to know that listens there
2093 [19:43:07] <foxide> I see pids for every line of that output.
2094 [19:43:22] <foxide> Might help if you pastebinned the output.
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2096 [19:43:51] <greycat> If you ran "ss -tlpn" or "ss -tulpn" as root and didn't see PIDs, you didn't read it very well.
2097 [19:44:17] <greycat> If you didn't run it AS ROOT, well, that's why it's not working.
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2103 [19:47:28] <de-facto> i am root
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2106 [19:48:13] <foxide> Then run ss -tulpn as root and pastebin the output.
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2112 [19:50:16] <de-facto> hmm ss got a horrible output on tty, piping it into a file is much more readable
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2114 [19:50:37] <rgwu> Or pipe it to less
2115 [19:51:10] <greycat> I'm not seeing any change in the output when piped through cat vs. when going straight to a tty.
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2120 [19:53:07] <de-facto> here is the censored output for the relevant lines (it shows pid for all others) replaced-url
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2135 [19:55:02] <de-facto> i would like to get the PID to investigate that process
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2143 [19:55:29] <rgwu> de-facto: I suspect you're clipping the right end of the output lines when using ss
2144 [19:55:31] <foxide> No one said anything about censoring or truncating the output.
2145 [19:55:33] <foxide> But yeah.
2146 [19:55:44] <rgwu> Pipe it to less and scroll to the right.
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2152 [19:56:48] <de-facto> its there for the other lines, hence i guess ss cant read the PID or its in kernel space or such
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2159 [19:57:41] <de-facto> there is just nothing there where the other processes show up, hence my question/suspicion
2160 [19:57:53] <de-facto> also not in less
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2175 [20:03:46] <greycat> That incredibly loud silence is all of us just shaking our heads wondering why in the hell you chopped and mangled the output when you're claiming that you're seeing unusual output that you don't understand.
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2179 [20:04:28] <greycat> Anyway, if you KNOW a specific TCP port number that you want to probe, you could also use lsof -i :portnum
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2182 [20:04:51] <greycat> We could even write the actual command for you if you weren't intentionally hiding the information from us.
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2186 [20:05:21] <greycat> Hell, someone might even be able to chip in with "port 666? oh that's such and such...", but we'll never know.
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2338 [22:05:23] <Arrow88> hi
2339 [22:05:32] <Arrow88> anyone in debian now?
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2344 [22:08:20] <mackilanu> Hi! I recently installed Debian Testing(Bullseye) on my PC. And the default security package source does not have a Release file. Is that supposed to happen on Bullseye as of now?
2345 [22:08:26] <goddard> how can i list all the modules available?
2346 [22:08:33] <goddard> for apache
2347 [22:08:42] <greycat> !bullseye security
2348 [22:08:42] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
2349 [22:09:34] <mackilanu> Oh okay, thanks! Does that mean Bullseye is unsafe now?
2350 [22:09:40] <greycat> dpkg, testing-security =~ s/empty/empty until release/
2351 [22:09:41] <dpkg> OK, greycat
2352 [22:09:52] <JPT> goddard: ls -al /etc/apache2/mods-available should work for you
2353 [22:09:53] <greycat> testing is always unsafe.
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2355 [22:11:06] <mackilanu> greycat: Yeah? I'm pretty new to Debian, and needed Testing to make my graphics card work. So testing should generally be avoided?
2356 [22:11:28] <greycat> Many people use it. It depends on what you need.
2357 [22:12:08] <alex11> Arrow88, hi, what's your question?
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2360 [22:14:34] <mackilanu> greycat: Right! But right now i can ignore the error then? If the alternative source was empty anyway
2361 [22:14:59] <Whyvn> hello, I am having sound issues I did not have in a previous debian install. I just re-installed debian and installed alsa-utils, but the audio is choppy. Is there something I am missing?
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2363 [22:15:17] <mackilanu> I was suprised that Bullseye is on kernel version 5.10! Up there with Arch Linux currently :)
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2365 [22:15:39] <sponix2ipfw> !sns
2366 [22:15:40] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2369 [22:16:30] <n4dir> mackilanu: well, backports seems to have 5.9
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2371 [22:16:54] <n4dir> not that i ever have realized any difference between any two kernels.
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2373 [22:17:51] <mackilanu> n4dir: For me the difference is that my onboard ethernet card requires > 5.8 to work for some reason, and my graphiscard need > 5.3
2374 [22:18:07] <mackilanu> Sometimes new hardware sucks :(
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2376 [22:18:17] <n4dir> yeah, that is a difference. And one even someone like me would recognize
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2380 [22:20:06] <mackilanu> Yes, I guess i suffer from sns... I will check out backports
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2383 [22:21:00] <mackilanu> Is there a iso with comes with the backports? Or is it better to install them manually?
2384 [22:21:50] <goddard> JPT: yeah I usually do that but this is the offical apache docker image
2385 [22:21:57] <Urk> I have a mess, and would benefit ny some guidance. I installed the lmdx interface hoping to speed up a 32 nit system that Im using temporarily until a new computer is bought. Computer will not boot into xfce nor lmdx since the install. A message is displayed indicating an issue with the x.windows system or something like that, and to remove
2386 [22:21:58] <Urk> /tmp/.xo-lock
2387 [22:21:59] <n4dir> Whyvn: i would say usually no additional software is needed to make it "not-choppy". You might want to go more in detail. Is that valid for all audio software? Which do you use? So on, i sure can't help much with audio-troubleshooting. There is #lau (linux audio users) and #opensourcemusicians, perhaps even #linux, if no one here can help. Good luck
2388 [22:22:09] <goddard> JPT: didn't know if we had some other command to list them
2389 [22:22:30] <n4dir> mackilanu: i don't think there is such an iso. I never heard of it.
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2391 [22:22:46] <Arrow88> Is there a relatively light running version of Debian, or is it the offical version you all use?
2392 [22:22:55] <Urk> I entered rm /tmp/.XO-lock and nothing happened.
2393 [22:23:13] <n4dir> Arrow88: the official is relatively light, depending what you choose during installation
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2395 [22:23:51] <Whyvn> n4dir: I tried vlc and mpv and youtube. It starts out choppy plays a little more choppy
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2397 [22:24:17] <Arrow88> I see, I was thinking of installing it on a basic portable, not great specs, but 8GB ram and 3GHz cpu
2398 [22:24:20] <n4dir> Whyvn: i see, seems pretty well known software. As said: good luck. Audio is utter voodoo.
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2401 [22:24:59] <JPT> goddard: Oh, well I don't know about that. Maybe the list of files within the package can help you out then: replaced-url
2402 [22:25:11] <Arrow88> there is so many distros and debian derivatives
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2404 [22:25:51] <n4dir> back in the days i often checked debian-based-distros claiming to be more lightweight. Usually they used openbox or such. They never seemed more lightweight to me.
2405 [22:26:24] <Arrow88> different desktop environment than Ubuntu and mint often
2406 [22:26:43] <n4dir> But that is something you can choose on your own, Arrow88 . In any distribution
2407 [22:26:45] <Arrow88> I'm wish I know more about this
2408 [22:26:53] <n4dir> desktop environment or wm.
2409 [22:27:56] <n4dir> this way or that way when it comes to lightweight the distro antiX is often mentioned, and it sure exists like forever (that is: has a bit of reputation)
2410 [22:28:15] <n4dir> with 8 Gigs of RAM i sure wouldn't worry though
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2413 [22:29:10] <n4dir> I got 8, and 7.4 of that idle most of the time ...
2414 [22:29:25] <Urk> Anyone available to help me remove a tmp file that has locked my system? I get an error message indicating that X server is not setup correctly
2415 [22:29:40] <jmcnaught> Urk: how are you starting X? With a display manager (graphical login at boot) or startx? Are you root or regular user? Where did lmdx come from, it does not appear to be in Debian?
2416 [22:29:57] <jhutchins> Arrow88: What do you use the system for?
2417 [22:30:11] <Arrow88> where I worked before the it guys were much more open to linux
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2420 [22:30:42] <Arrow88> mostly word processor, online stuff in the browser, a bit of gimp,
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2422 [22:31:45] <KNERD> Like this? replaced-url
2423 [22:31:51] <Urk> jmcnaught: With a display manager. The interface was in the repos. Im on an older 32 bit system, and was hoping to speed things up.
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2426 [22:32:03] <Arrow88> lol, not far from
2427 [22:32:31] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Your system should be entirely satisfactory without any need to mess with streamlining it. You might want to avoid gnome and kde, although they should run fine, xfce or lxde will be a little snappier.
2428 [22:32:35] <jmcnaught> Urk: are you using Debian 10?
2429 [22:32:44] <Urk> jmcnaught: yes
2430 [22:32:46] <Arrow88> though, these days I need the camera for skype meeting andsimilar
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2432 [22:33:18] <Arrow88> I just have to try it and go from there
2433 [22:33:21] <n4dir> stay at home, huh?
2434 [22:33:21] <jhutchins> Arrow88: You might not be able to use the synthetic green screen effects on zoom depending on your graphics.
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2437 [22:34:08] <jhutchins> Arrow88: You can alway try other distributions. In fact, you can have multiple distros installed and dual boot.
2438 [22:34:13] <Arrow88> it's just that these corona times have called for a bit more web based camera transfers
2439 [22:34:22] <n4dir> i checked the other day. xfce4 should use round the lines of 300 MB when idling
2440 [22:34:27] <n4dir> at max
2441 [22:34:41] <Arrow88> I can try a few, but I rahter settle for one, at least for a good while, like a few years
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2443 [22:35:06] <Urk> Message at bootup indicates x server isnt set up correctly, and prompts me to go into the command line to fix it. If I select no option then it takes me to the boot window, but system will not boot.no for the promot then it
2444 [22:35:16] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Debian's good for that.
2445 [22:35:16] <n4dir> i stick to what i said. I don't think you will get much lighter than debian. Or that you can get with debian
2446 [22:35:27] <KNERD> Here is the best Corona for doing coding replaced-url
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2448 [22:35:35] <Arrow88> lol
2449 [22:35:47] <Arrow88> lol, i would love to type on that
2450 [22:35:52] <n4dir> besides the obscure stuff, like tiny core linux, slitaz, and similar
2451 [22:35:58] <Arrow88> can you get ribbons for it?
2452 [22:36:20] <KNERD> yes, even correct tape still is made
2453 [22:36:32] <Arrow88> I have used Puppy, but it is too erratic, and I can't always make it boot on different computers
2454 [22:37:24] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Debian is enterprise grade, but still light enough to run well on older systems like a core 2 duo.
2455 [22:37:38] <Arrow88> I think it is an i5
2456 [22:38:00] <Arrow88> I can't remember cores or hz exactly
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2458 [22:38:13] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Unless you get into gaming or heavy video editing you should have plenty of power.
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2460 [22:38:34] <Arrow88> mostly photos and not much video if at all
2461 [22:38:39] <n4dir> it changed the last months, but i come from stuff like Pentium3 or 4. Just saying why i for one sure wouldn't worry much
2462 [22:39:05] <Arrow88> and I have my imac too
2463 [22:39:11] <n4dir> just made the raspbery pi, version 1 !, work again. ha ha ha
2464 [22:39:18] <Arrow88> Debian is for my portable
2465 [22:39:20] <KNERD> i run Debian 9 on a circa 2009 laptop, and it runs just fine with 4GB of RAM,
2466 [22:39:46] <Arrow88> 4GB used to be a lot
2467 [22:40:02] <n4dir> it helps a lot to not let the web-browser idle for hours when you don't need it at all.
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2469 [22:40:10] <Arrow88> Thanks, I shall likely return in a day or two :- )
2470 [22:40:20] <zutat> 8 gigs is ok for kde+firefo
2471 [22:40:20] <n4dir> good luck, fun, and all that
2472 [22:40:21] <zutat> x
2473 [22:40:21] <KNERD> The bottleneck is the mechanical hard drive
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2475 [22:40:27] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Have fun.
2476 [22:40:38] <KNERD> I am running Cinnamon Desktop on that old laptop
2477 [22:40:51] <Arrow88> I may amp it up to 16GB if it's any point
2478 [22:41:17] <Arrow88> I shall start with what I have,
2479 [22:41:23] <Arrow88> thanks again.
2480 [22:41:31] <jhutchins> Arrow88: Keep an eye on your swap, if it swaps much then you can upgrade, but it probably won't.
2481 [22:41:42] * Arrow88 off to bed
2482 [22:41:44] <zutat> the cpu doesn't matter much, but having a _supported_ graphics card helps
2483 [22:42:12] <Arrow88> oh, graphics too, I shall have to burn the iso and take it from there
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2485 [22:44:29] <Urk> jmcnaught: Im using my cell phone for web based chat at this time.
2486 [22:45:20] <jmcnaught> Urk: what is LMDX?
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2490 [22:46:39] <Urk> Assuming I have typed the initials corrwctly, it is a light weight desktop similar to Xfce, and mainly useful on older kegacy ststems to speed them up.
2491 [22:47:02] <n4dir> lxde?
2492 [22:47:27] <jmcnaught> Urk: you might me lxde or lxqt, lmdx had me thinking you installed something from a Linux Mint repo
2493 [22:47:32] <jmcnaught> s/me/mean/
2494 [22:47:45] <KNERD> LXDE (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment)
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2496 [22:48:08] <Urk> Based on what I see, I dont think I will be allowed to boot until x server configuration problem is taken care of.
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2498 [22:48:54] <Urk> KNERD: yes
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2511 [22:51:27] <Urk> Error message says to remove /tmp/.XO-lock, bur so far my efforts have not been successful.
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2514 [22:52:18] <n4dir> what means "not successful". Also: where do you you see the message to remove it?
2515 [22:52:55] <n4dir> what i usually do to troubleshoot such is: a) stop the display manager and try if startx gives the same problem. and b) create a test-user and see if he has the same problem
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2519 [22:53:52] <goddard> what repo is brotli in?
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2522 [22:54:28] <greycat> ,v brotli
2523 [22:54:29] <judd> Package: brotli on amd64 -- stretch: 0.5.2+dfsg-2; stretch-backports: 1.0.5-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.7-2; buster-proposed-updates: 1.0.7-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 1.0.7-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.0.9-2+b2; sid: 1.0.9-2+b2
2524 [22:54:33] <greycat> "Debian"
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2527 [22:55:12] <Urk> n4dir: Initial message was at bootup. Efforts to remove were after I went to the command line at bootup. I logged in, and selected rm /tmp/.XO-lock , and nothinf happened. System jyst returned to the command line.
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2533 [22:56:16] <n4dir> that is the default behaviour of rm, if i recall correct. Is the file still there?
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2538 [22:57:50] <Urk> n4dir: Im sure the file is there since I would be able to boot if it was not.
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2542 [22:58:45] <n4dir> Well, you are able to boot, no?
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2544 [22:59:14] <n4dir> you probably mean you can't run X ?
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2547 [23:00:49] <salamitactics> ls -a -l /tmp
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2549 [23:00:52] <salamitactics> to list files in tmp
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2553 [23:01:41] <salamitactics> but if you already deleted it and rebooted and the problem persisted this file is probably being created during your boot at some point
2554 [23:02:10] <Urk> n4dir: Im not able to boot
2555 [23:02:40] <jmcnaught> Urk: are you able to log into the computer in text mode?
2556 [23:03:09] <Urk> jmcnaught: yes
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2559 [23:03:22] <jhutchins> Urk: That is fully booted, just not running X.
2560 [23:03:49] <jmcnaught> Urk: does the computer have an active network connection?
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2564 [23:04:31] <Urk> jmcnaught: not sure. It did before the problem.
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2568 [23:05:40] <Urk> Full error message says: Line 1: Fatal Server error:
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2572 [23:06:38] <Urk> Line 2 (EE) Server is already active for display 0
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2574 [23:07:35] <jmcnaught> Urk: you can test the network with something like "ping -c 3 google.com". If you have a connection, then do "nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and give us the URL it returns. It termbin is a pastebin service.
2575 [23:07:41] <Urk> If thus server is ni longer runnung, remove /tmp/.XO-lock and start again.
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2582 [23:10:22] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2583 [23:10:23] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
2584 [23:11:27] <salamitactics> I just looked on my system and the file is X zero.lock, not ecks oh .lock. Did your rm not remove the file because you typed the letter O?
2585 [23:12:00] <greycat> yes, it should be X0
2586 [23:12:23] <Urk> Now Im having trouble getting back to the command line
2587 [23:12:33] <salamitactics> press control+alt+f2
2588 [23:12:42] <salamitactics> should give you a command line
2589 [23:13:05] <salamitactics> as long as you're booted anyway
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2607 [23:20:36] <jhutchins> Ghosted again.
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2609 [23:22:40] <n4dir> i am not sure if debian is the right distribution if someone can't differ between booting, X, display-managers and similar stuff
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2613 [23:23:18] <Mister00X> everyone was a beginner once
2614 [23:23:21] <greycat> Such a person would struggle with pretty much any Linux at that point. They may learn.
2615 [23:23:37] <greycat> Debian's not worse or better than any other for learning these things.
2616 [23:23:55] <n4dir> Mister00X: that was not my point. But sure, such problems are not what you usually run in Debian-Stable
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2619 [23:25:02] <greycat> It's actually common in stable because of bleeding edge hardware.
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2621 [23:25:19] <n4dir> learning such "terms" is what is needed right now anyway.
2622 [23:25:19] <jhutchins> People coming from windows or mac think the command line is only for hacking and is bad.
2623 [23:25:22] <greycat> Or hardware that's not bleeding edge but still needs non-free firmware.
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2626 [23:27:07] <jhutchins> Mister00X: Yes, but some of us read about linux systems when we were beginners.
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2628 [23:27:43] <n4dir> it sure doesn't help to use leet-sounding terms you don't understand. Just describe what is happening, as good as possible
2629 [23:27:52] <Mister00X> jhutchins: I was more the learning by doing guy because I kinda grew up with linux
2630 [23:28:02] <salamitactics> It's not clear what the initial problem was. They installed some other display manager? Did they have two enabled display manager services fighting over the display? Tmp is cleared at boot right, so the lock wouldn't persist between boots
2631 [23:28:12] <Mister00X> n4dir: I agree completely
2632 [23:28:31] <Urk> Jmcnaught: would you repeat the syntax for termbin? Im getting an error, but do have a connection.
2633 [23:28:44] <n4dir> i really didn't mean that mean or such. Trying to help to ask questions slightly better.
2634 [23:29:06] <jhutchins> salamitactics: It might have been that the system crashed or went to sleep or something with X running and left a temporary lock fifle.
2635 [23:29:31] <n4dir> for that we would need to know when the problem started to happen
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2653 [23:29:59] <jmcnaught> Urk: "nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/log/Xorg.0.log" or "journalctl | nc termbin.com 9999" are two examples of using it, both of them might help us debug your issue.
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2673 [23:31:04] <n4dir> as greycat has pointed out Xorg.0.log might well be in .local/share/xorg now
2674 [23:31:29] <n4dir> in case /var/log/Xorg.0.log isn't found
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2682 [23:37:36] <Urk> jmcnaught: 2nd command returned the following url replaced-url
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2685 [23:39:40] <Urk52> I got bumped
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2688 [23:41:02] <Urk> jmcnaught: Are you out there?
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2692 [23:43:08] <jmcnaught> Urk52: I was searching though your journalctl paste and I found lines "Starting LXDE Display Manager..." but also "Started MDM Display Manager." so maybe there are two on your system. Also a lot of traces related to i915 warnings.
2693 [23:43:23] <jmcnaught> Urk: what does "uname -a" say?
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2698 [23:46:35] <Urk52> One long system name with the type of computer Im on. Any idea how I can get booted up?
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2700 [23:47:41] <Urk52> I had xfce on here before installing LXDE.
2701 [23:48:22] <Urk52> I havent been able to boot since
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2705 [23:51:52] <echelon> hi, are there similar instructions for debian 10 as this replaced-url
2706 [23:53:02] <jmcnaught> Urk52: it looks like MDM is the Mint Display Manager, which is not in Debian so I am not sure how you ended up with it. I would disable it, which is probably "systemctl disable mdm.service" but I do not know the unit name for sure. If this is actually Linux Mint Debian Edition then you should continue in the appropriate channel as derivatives are off-topic in #debian.
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2710 [23:55:57] <Urk52> jmcnaught: I get an an error indicating unable to write /etc/init/mdm.overridee
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2714 [23:57:04] <Urk52> I forgot to use sudo so I think it went through this time
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2716 [23:57:34] <echelon> nvm found a work around.. not exactly the same solution.. replaced-url
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2720 [23:58:59] <Urk52> How do I return to the graphical mode? Im still at the command li e, and exit didnt return me?
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