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• 57[00:45:21] <jhutchins> GenTooMan: Packages in testing only go to backports if a) somebody requsets it, and b) someone is interested and willing to maintain it.
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• 59[00:46:21] <jhutchins> GenTooMan: Backports are meant to be selective and manual, stable/stable backports do not automatically track new versions.
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• 96[01:28:29] <jezebel> hello
• 97[01:29:06] <jezebel> i'm running firefox-esr on stable an am wondering how i can watch netflix on it? enabling drm in firefox doesn't seem to have any effect
• 98[01:30:16] <robobox> try ua switcer with chrome, see if it works
• 99[01:30:24] <robobox> if not, consult a search engine
• 100[01:31:20] <jezebel> i tried googling this
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• 103[01:33:17] <abrotman> jezebel: do you get an error? does Netflix say it's not supported?
• 104[01:33:35] <jmcnaught> Netflix works in firefox-esr on buster here.
• 105[01:33:57] <abrotman> jezebel: and which veresion of firefox does it think you have?
• 106[01:33:59] <jezebel> netflix errors, firefox says DRM enabling reqired
• 107[01:34:05] <robobox> if it seems to almost work but doesn't play anything, it's a codec issue
• 108[01:34:13] <jezebel> i have 78.6.1
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• 111[01:36:23] <abrotman> jezebel: What's the Netflix error?
• 112[01:36:52] <abrotman> is libavcodec-extra
• 113[01:36:55] <abrotman> installed ?
• 114[01:37:17] <jezebel> latst version of firefx?!
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• 116[01:38:36] <jezebel> oh nope libavcodec-extra isnt installed
• 117[01:39:21] <jezebel> that's neeed?
• 118[01:39:27] <jezebel> needed^
• 119[01:39:32] <abrotman> try and see
• 120[01:40:29] <abrotman> You'll need to restart your browser after it is installed
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• 122[01:42:35] <jezebel> hmmm replaced-url
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• 126[01:43:33] <abrotman> apt install libavcodec-extra ?
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• 132[01:45:30] <jezebel> dont thnk it's neeed for netflix based on hat it's for, 3gpp?
• 133[01:45:51] <abrotman> so you're not going to try it?
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• 136[01:46:49] <jezebel> this is the error code i'm getting on netflix replaced-url
• 137[01:47:53] <jezebel> i will, just want to understand what i'm installing
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• 139[01:48:39] <abrotman> if you google that error + "linux", I see other suggestions
• 140[01:48:51] <abrotman> some say to instal the codec, others say it's about your settings
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• 143[01:50:44] <Devastator> why judd is online but not on the channel? is judd unofficial?
• 144[01:51:06] <abrotman> no, the bot must have had a moment
• 145[01:51:19] <abrotman> Looks like it was pinging in/out
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• 147[01:51:25] <Devastator> ah, ok
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• 151[01:52:03] <abrotman> have to wait for one of its handlers to restart it I guess
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• 154[01:52:19] <Devastator> long time we don't talk, I hope you are well
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• 156[01:52:43] <abrotman> I've been a wee bit busy
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• 181[02:18:14] <jezebel> ahhh instlling that package and netflix works now, cool... thanks!!
• 182[02:19:11] * dvs breaks netflix
• 183[02:20:23] <abrotman> that's quite a delay :)
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• 193[02:44:52] <uos_thx> I am using the qbs library (replaced-url
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• 235[03:42:18] <slidesinger-ss> Question: I have been reading for days and can find no detailed docs on how X is scaled. I can's read my monitor at all because the res is too high and I don't understand and can't find a good document to read that explains: scaling vs resolution vs font scaling vs probably something I haven't even thought of or read yet. Does anyone know where to get good docs on this?
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• 239[03:43:12] <slidesinger-ss> I have successfully gotten the user session to scale with xrandr, but things I have read that are supposed to work on the display manager just don't do anything.
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• 241[03:45:34] <zykotick9> slidesinger-ss: <I'm sure you've already done this, but... just in case> I have an alias for startx to run "startx -- -dpi 100"
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• 247[03:56:26] <slidesinger-ss> I haven't done that yet. I'll look into that. Thanks. Been reading all about the config files which I haven't had to touch on X since xfree86 gave way to xorg. So far nothing on scaling.
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• 302[05:38:47] <cathode> Heyo, I have/had a system running debian 18.04 LTS, installed on a linux md raid1 pair of SSDs, and upgraded to 20.04 and got a grub boot error "Error: symbol 'grub_file_filters' not found." that I'm trying to work through. it was suggested to get into a livecd environment to attempt to repair grub but the livecd environment doesn't contain mdadm package and doesn't seem to be able to install it either
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• 304[05:39:17] <dvs> Debian doesn't have a version number that high
• 305[05:39:22] <dvs> !ubuntu
• 306[05:39:23] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 307[05:40:08] <cathode> i'm 99% sure it's not ubuntu server
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• 310[05:44:38] <cathode> it's been years since i installed this, perhaps it is. in any case i'm currently booted into a debian 10.7 livecd. is it possible to repair grub from here or not?
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• 313[05:47:46] <tomreyn> debian's: yes, ubuntu's: maybe.
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• 315[05:48:39] <tomreyn> you probably just pointed the system to the wrong boot disk, though
• 316[05:49:12] <cathode> well the dist upgrade did it's thing automatically and then at first reboot it ran into that grub error and i was left at a grub recovery prompt
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• 318[05:50:00] <cathode> so I didn't "point" it at anything
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• 320[05:50:05] <tomreyn> then my theory is probably wrong indeed.
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• 326[05:51:48] <cathode> but if he's saying that debian version numbers don't go to 18 and 20 then he's probably right that I have ubuntu server. derp. this is what happens when you don't touch a system for 2+ years
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• 377[06:35:55] <ryouma> i get confused by version numbers. for example, "vlc | 3.0.11-0+deb10u1 | stable | source, amd64, arm64" vs. "vlc | 3.0.11-0+deb9u1 | oldstable | source, amd64, arm64" -- what is the difference? a change in upstream? a bug fix?
• 378[06:36:33] <sney> rebuild for different debian versions
• 379[06:36:50] <sney> there is likely a 3.0.11-0 in sid that both of those came from
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• 381[06:37:13] <ryouma> ohhhh. so like different libc versions?
• 382[06:37:48] <sney> probably, but if you looked at the changelog in the '+deb10u1' one you'd see something like "rebuild for buster"
• 383[06:37:58] <ryouma> but... that could include some video codec library or so also?
• 384[06:38:04] <ryouma> ok
• 385[06:38:06] <sney> different libc and also any other relevant versioned dependencies
• 386[06:38:12] <ryouma> my example is vlc. a bunch of videos do not play on it these days and i wonder if a new version would play them. ('m aware that mpv exists, but idk if it can be made to have a mouseable interface kinda like vlc.
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• 389[06:40:02] <ryouma> interesting that it is 3.0.11 for oldstable stable testing. not much movement on that package unless the succeeding numbers in testing are significant upstream.
• 390[06:40:32] <sney> anything in the version string after the - is debian-specific
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• 395[06:41:49] <ryouma> and that means?
• 396[06:42:05] <ryouma> looks like upstream it is the .0 for the 4th part vs. .1: "vlc | 3.0.11.1-3 | testing | source, amd64, arm64"
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• 399[06:42:58] <sney> from this example, 3.0.11.1 is the upstream version, and -3 is the debian upload/revision
• 400[06:44:08] <ryouma> for backporting security fixes or so?
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• 402[06:45:06] <sney> sure, or because the maintainer made 2 previous uploads with typos, or anything in between. 'apt changelog' will usually give you useful clues
• 403[06:45:14] <ryouma> ah
• 404[06:45:51] <ryouma> ok that is a good command
• 405[06:46:05] <ryouma> they fly by when i install stuff
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• 407[06:46:56] <ryouma> "Matroska data\012- EBML file, creator matroska\012- data" is unplayable in my version but is playable by mpv
• 408[06:48:04] <sney> there's always mplayer-gui and dragonplayer too
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• 412[06:53:47] <ryouma> i will try them. mplayer (in mplayer2 package?) seems about as non-mousey as mpv, but i hav enot looked into them enough yet.
• 413[06:54:06] <sney> ,i mplayer-gui
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• 415[06:54:18] <sney> oi, still no bot. anyway, that's the package name.
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• 420[06:57:26] <ryouma> yeah wants to delete mplayer2, adds a few packages
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• 424[07:03:25] <ryouma> if the binary is called mplayer, as it is with the mplayer2 package, it seems still keyboardy but i will check if hter eare options for it so i can get both position and volume with mouse.
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• 444[07:36:26] <vyadhaka> anyone know what pcre files I need to install when building postgis from source, pcre is a dependency for address_standardadizer extension. these are the available packages on debian buster: libpcre2-16-0, libpcre2-32-0 , libpcre2-8-0, libpcre2-dev , libpcre2-posix0
• 445[07:36:54] <sney> !headers
• 446[07:36:54] <dpkg> Trying to compile something from source, and the build script says it can't find a dependency you are sure you have installed? You need header packages, which have the -dev suffix. For instance, if it thinks python3 is missing, install 'python3-dev'. See <build-essential>.
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• 449[07:39:22] <mihael> Where can I see logs of my raid storage?
• 450[07:44:36] <ryouma> (ah mplayer2->mpv)
• 451[07:46:02] <vyadhaka> sney: yes I will install dev package but what runtime to choose, its got 8, 16, 32 bit runtime options
• 452[07:47:34] <sney> vyadhaka: it probably doesn't matter if pcre is only a build-dep, but also it looks like installing -dev will install all of them
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• 455[07:51:13] <vyadhaka> sney: yes I just checked the dependencies, you are correct it installs all runtimes, cool so I only need to install libpcre2-dev
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• 613[10:36:38] <ph88> hi people. I use this docker image replaced-url
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• 633[10:38:53] <ratrace> ph88: contact whoever created that continaer. it may be "based on" debian, but:
• 634[10:38:56] <ratrace> !based on debian
• 635[10:38:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 636[10:39:06] <ratrace> ,v graphviz
• 637[10:39:20] <ratrace> where's judd!
• 638[10:40:03] <jelly> judd. come back we love you
• 639[10:40:13] <ratrace> graphviz is package for all the currently supported releases, sid, testing, buster, oldstable and oldold
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• 641[10:40:19] <ratrace> *packaged
• 642[10:40:41] <ph88> what is judd ?
• 643[10:41:00] <jelly> !irc bots
• 644[10:41:08] <jelly> !judd
• 645[10:41:08] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
• 646[10:41:54] <Haohmaru> oh, so it even has a meaning, wut's j for?
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• 648[10:42:15] <jelly> "Judd" is a common English first name.
• 649[10:42:19] <ratrace> it's written in java. /kidding
• 650[10:42:25] <Haohmaru> noooo
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• 652[10:42:40] <jelly> ratrace, ...script
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• 654[10:43:12] <ratrace> noooo
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• 681[11:08:17] <brigand> danke
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• 683[11:09:21] <brigand> (2021-01-21 11:08:43) judd: (danke ) -- Someone is trying to speak esperanto to me
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• 686[11:12:01] <ratrace> esperanto with german accent.
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• 688[11:12:39] <brigand> (2021-01-21 11:12:29) judd: Error: There is no command "thanks".
• 689[11:16:39] <Haohmaru> thanks are not accepted by judd, only cash and cookies
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• 694[11:21:38] <jelly> judd, botsnack
• 695[11:22:18] <brigand> judd, danke
• 696[11:22:19] <judd> ne dankinde
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• 698[11:22:50] <brigand> what
• 699[11:23:35] <brigand> esperanto for "no thanks" ...
• 700[11:23:39] <brigand> still what
• 701[11:24:00] <Mister00X> Maybe because of capitalization
• 702[11:24:27] <hegemoOn> after an apt upgrade, is there a reboot flag poolable so that it is possible which server needs to be rebooted ?
• 703[11:24:37] <hegemoOn> for a planned reboot ?
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• 705[11:25:10] <hegemoOn> in case of kernel update for exemple
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• 711[11:28:57] <Mister00X> hegemoOn: I think there is this /var/run/reboot-required file... Ive read about it once
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• 714[11:30:02] <hegemoOn> interesting
• 715[11:30:07] <hegemoOn> i just did an upgrade
• 716[11:30:14] <hegemoOn> with a new kernel installation
• 717[11:30:22] <hegemoOn> and nothing in /var/run/reboot-required
• 718[11:31:04] <jelly> brigand, replaced-url
• 719[11:31:56] <brigand> hegemoOn: there's checkrestart in debian-goodies
• 720[11:32:10] <brigand> jelly: thanks
• 721[11:35:06] <Mister00X> hegemoOn: I think if the file reboot-required exists thats allready the information you need ..... not entirely sure though
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• 724[11:35:45] <brigand> ,v debian-goodies
• 725[11:35:46] <judd> Package: debian-goodies on amd64 -- jessie: 0.63; stretch: 0.69.1; buster: 0.84; bullseye: 0.87; sid: 0.87
• 726[11:36:03] <brigand> checkrestart is a binary
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• 731[11:36:48] <hegemoOn> well, my issue is quite interesting, i just did an upgrade
• 732[11:36:57] <hegemoOn> where kernel 4.19.0.13 was installed
• 733[11:37:13] <brigand> wait, it's a python script
• 734[11:37:16] <hegemoOn> but the /var/run/reboot-required is not created
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• 737[11:37:44] <hegemoOn> installing debian-goodies, install 50 dependancies which i dont want
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• 739[11:39:59] <hegemoOn> ok
• 740[11:40:05] <hegemoOn> so indeed this evolved
• 741[11:40:14] <hegemoOn> it's about update-notifier-common
• 742[11:40:20] <hegemoOn> which where removed
• 743[11:40:29] <hegemoOn> from jessie
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• 745[11:40:53] <jelly> needrestart is probably better than checkrestart, if you choose to go that route
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• 747[11:41:30] <jelly> it is however orthogonal to update-notifier things and /var/run/reboot-required
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• 749[11:41:43] <brigand> jelly: ooh, less dependencies. thanks
• 750[11:41:52] <brigand> hegemoOn: have you tried unattended-upgrades?
• 751[11:41:54] <brigand> ,v unattended-upgrade
• 752[11:41:56] <judd> No package named 'unattended-upgrade' was found in amd64.
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• 754[11:41:57] <brigand> ,v unattended-upgrades
• 755[11:41:58] <judd> Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.93.1+nmu1; buster: 1.11.2; bullseye: 2.7; sid: 2.7
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• 757[11:42:14] <hegemoOn> im looking at it
• 758[11:42:15] <hegemoOn> :)
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• 761[11:44:00] <Mister00X> hegemoOn: unattended-updates can reboot the system if neccesary, if you configure it to do so
• 762[11:44:34] <brigand> or just send a mail
• 763[11:44:42] <Mister00X> or that
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• 765[11:45:54] <hegemoOn> i will check
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• 769[11:46:58] <Mister00X> hegemoOn: after a bit of online search maybe reboot-notifier is what you need
• 770[11:47:15] <Mister00X> ,v reboot-notifier
• 771[11:47:16] <judd> Package: reboot-notifier on amd64 -- stretch: 0.6; buster: 0.8; bullseye: 0.9; sid: 0.10
• 772[11:47:27] <hegemoOn> yes, it seems to by dependant of unattended-updates
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• 776[11:53:10] <birkoff> how can I make dd faster when I have exact count and skip options per-byte ?
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• 781[11:54:52] <ratrace> birkoff: without sync (default afaik), it's already as fast as it can be
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• 786[11:55:09] <birkoff> but if I use bs=1 it's going byte by byte
• 787[11:55:20] <ratrace> but maybe if you explained in more detail what exactly you want to achieve, maybe there's a bottleneck elsewhere, if you perceive slow speeds
• 788[11:55:52] <ratrace> birkoff: well yes. then don't use 1byte block sizes?
• 789[11:56:03] <birkoff> then how to balance the count and skip ?
• 790[11:56:10] <ratrace> in count of block sizes
• 791[11:56:34] <ratrace> re-read what the manpage says about skip
• 792[11:57:00] <birkoff> what if it doesn't divide equally?
• 793[11:57:27] <ratrace> there is no hidden_flag=make_this_zomg_super_fast
• 794[11:57:34] <birkoff> i'm writing a script that uses various skip sizes
• 795[11:57:39] <ratrace> it's as fast as it can be, given the constraints you're putting it into
• 796[11:57:55] <ratrace> birkoff: btw, skip is on input. you sure that's what you want?
• 797[11:57:56] <birkoff> 4kb/s is not that fast
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• 799[11:58:03] <birkoff> yes
• 800[11:58:12] <birkoff> i want to extract parts from a binary file
• 801[11:58:13] <ratrace> not seek, but skip?
• 802[11:58:21] <ratrace> alright
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• 804[11:59:06] <ratrace> maybe you should reconsider using dd, and write, say, a python script. that way you can skeep at 1B resolution, and then stream at much larger block sizes
• 805[12:00:36] <unixbsd> hello, is an opensource in debian repository soft or similar for FE like abasus dassault?
• 806[12:00:39] <ratrace> *seek (lol)
• 807[12:00:44] <unixbsd> *abaqus
• 808[12:00:56] <ratrace> unixbsd: your question makes no sense
• 809[12:01:23] <unixbsd> reformulation: is there abaqus for debian?
• 810[12:03:08] <ratrace> unixbsd: did you try apt search'ing for it, and/or did you check the database at replaced-url
• 811[12:03:27] <unixbsd> sure
• 812[12:03:42] <unixbsd> there is only aster code but well, more are certainly existing.
• 813[12:04:53] <unixbsd> ratrace: more infos. replaced-url
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• 816[12:06:32] <ratrace> unixbsd: youtube? you don't have a link to the software upstream, like 3ds.com ?
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• 818[12:07:35] <unixbsd> big website.
• 819[12:07:52] <jelly> unixbsd, Debian can only ship software that is free by DFSG standards, and your software looks proprietary.
• 820[12:08:00] <ratrace> it's the upstream. so if you describe what exactly you want from such a software, maybe someone knows an alternative packaged in debian
• 821[12:08:45] <unixbsd> maybe someone familiar with this area will give more precise information. let's wait.
• 822[12:08:49] <jelly> unixbsd, and if it's proprietary, it's possible even redistribution is limited, so you'll have to ask the vendor whether they have packaging suitable for installation on Linux and Debian
• 823[12:09:20] <jelly> some commercial vendors do have linux packages.
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• 825[12:09:30] <ratrace> unixbsd: yes but you need to describe what exactly you want. afaik there's a number of FOSS-y modelling/simulation applications, but what exactly do you need?
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• 828[12:11:10] <unixbsd> ratrace: yeah, maybe we will get someone used with abaqus about it. you never heard of abaqus? there are similar tools (replaced-url
• 829[12:11:34] <ratrace> I have never heard of abaqus until five minutes ago
• 830[12:11:47] <unixbsd> anytime. thank you anyhow
• 831[12:12:10] <ratrace> unixbsd: but I do know that these exist: replaced-url
• 832[12:12:37] <ratrace> so... if you explained _exactly_ what you want, maybe someone who hasn't heard about abaqus, but has used similar FOSSY software, will know better.
• 833[12:12:40] <unixbsd> this debian webpage is very much outdated.
• 834[12:13:06] <ratrace> doesn't matter. it lists applications you can look up further and find if they exist or have forks, etc....
• 835[12:13:53] <ratrace> or you can ask google and get a result like this one: replaced-url
• 836[12:14:35] <unixbsd> well, there aren't so much packages in this field in general in debian.
• 837[12:14:50] <ratrace> I have no idea what field that even is.
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• 839[12:15:12] <ratrace> (except, roughtly, it's about somethign something in engineering simulations)
• 840[12:15:39] <ratrace> so if you specify your requirements in more detail, maybe someone knows exactly what you can use in debian
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• 868[12:41:03] <uos_lyn> hi Ask a Lintian test failure problem
• 869[12:41:14] <uos_lyn> qtquickcontrols2-opensource-src source: source-includes-file-in-files-excluded examples/quickcontrols2/texteditor/fonts/fontello.ttf
• 870[12:41:59] <uos_lyn> Who can help answer below
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• 907[13:07:43] <hudo> on buster 10 I'm using tigervnc-standalone-server. It seems, there is some memory-leak. After 1-2 weeks there is almost no free memory left. After killing the vncserver, there is immediately a lot more free memory available
• 908[13:08:09] <shtrb> time to file a bug
• 909[13:08:17] <shtrb> !bts
• 910[13:08:17] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 911[13:08:22] <shtrb> hudo, ^
• 912[13:08:25] <hudo> anyone with same experiences ?
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• 915[13:09:56] <hudo> hm, i never notified a bug in the debian bug tracking system ...
• 916[13:10:17] <hudo> what vncserver do you use ?
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• 919[13:11:19] <shtrb> hudo, no , I say you should file a bug against vncserver in the BTS about the memory leak
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• 921[13:12:15] <hudo> On an older installation, with stretch 9.9 i'm using package vnc4server , which runs for months. The package is named as transient ....
• 922[13:12:58] <hudo> shtrb, I'm gonna read your links and maybe try to make a notification
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• 979[14:11:29] <amosbird> hello
• 980[14:12:29] <amosbird> where can I ask question about dh_strip -p --dbg-package=
• 981[14:12:36] <amosbird> how does the dbg-package
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• 986[14:23:39] <azeem> amosbird: what's your question?
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• 993[14:28:28] <amosbird> azeem: I'm asked to help this issue replaced-url
• 994[14:28:42] <amosbird> the clickhouse deb package is built with dh_strip
• 995[14:28:52] <amosbird> and the debug package installs a file to /usr/lib/debug/.build-id/e4/0526a12e9a8f3819a18694f6b798f10c624d5c.debug
• 996[14:28:57] <amosbird> I don't understand how this is created
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• 1035[15:08:41] <azeem> amosbird: that issue is not very clear
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• 1061[15:36:57] <f8e4> how to logout via shell
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• 1063[15:37:36] <f8e4> into lightdm back
• 1064[15:37:39] <greycat> I use ctrl-D, personally. You can also type "exit" or "logout".
• 1065[15:37:55] <f8e4> bash: logout: not login shell: use `exit'
• 1066[15:38:03] <greycat> aaaaand the question just completely changed
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• 1068[15:38:22] <greycat> ... TWICE now, jesus
• 1069[15:38:34] <f8e4> i am in i3, how to go back into ligtdm user/pw window
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• 1071[15:38:45] <greycat> Pick one already. Are you exiting a terminal window, or are you logging out of a shell login, or are you trying to restart lightdm?
• 1072[15:38:56] <f8e4> this debian need logout to effect is HORRIBLJE, just like windows please restart bs
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• 1074[15:39:05] <Haohmaru> i think he's in a desktop session
• 1075[15:39:18] <greycat> Are you trying to modify the environment variables of your entire session?
• 1076[15:39:38] <f8e4> i try to get usermod into effect
• 1077[15:40:23] <greycat> You modified the privileges of your account? Then yes, you must log out and back in for those new privs to take effect in every program you are running.
• 1078[15:40:31] <f8e4> nice, how?
• 1079[15:40:40] <f8e4> i am locked in i3
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• 1081[15:40:42] <greycat> Otherwise, you could start NEW programs that have the new privileges, but the already-running programs will not be affected.
• 1082[15:40:55] <Haohmaru> isn't i3 a window manager?
• 1083[15:41:07] <f8e4> Haohmaru no lgoout button, now?
• 1084[15:41:12] <greycat> Are you asking how to log out of i3? I don't know. I've never used it.
• 1085[15:41:32] <f8e4> ok np
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• 1088[15:41:58] <Haohmaru> in my case.. "start butten" -> "log out" -> "Logout"
• 1089[15:42:09] <avu> Mod+Shift+e by default
• 1090[15:42:10] <Haohmaru> but i'm on lxde, where everything looks sane
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• 1102[15:54:55] <Mister00X> f8e4: a more radical approach would be to switch to a tty login there switch to init 3 and then back to init 5 this should give you your DM back
• 1103[15:55:21] <greycat> Would that log out an X session?
• 1104[15:55:27] <Mister00X> yes
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• 1107[15:55:38] <greycat> pardon me if I ... do not test that
• 1108[15:55:47] <f8e4> solution: i3-msg logout
• 1109[15:55:57] <f8e4> i3 very nice
• 1110[15:55:58] <Mister00X> greycat: init 3 means no X
• 1111[15:56:28] <greycat> Well, it's a legacy command that doesn't really mean much under systemd.
• 1112[15:56:31] <f8e4> avu: oh that is similar then
• 1113[15:56:49] <greycat> Under Debian with sysvinit, run levels 2 through 5 were all equivalent by default, but individual users were allowed to customize things.
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• 1116[15:57:44] <greycat> Under systemd, which was developed by Red Hat, "multi-user.target" and "graphical.target" may have equivalents in various "run levels" in your legacy commands, but SWITCHING between systemd targets does not do what most people think it does.
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• 1118[15:59:43] <greycat> So, aasuming that your "init 3" is mapped to something like "systemctl isolate multi-user.target" (according to replaced-url
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• 1159[16:23:55] <Mister00X> greycat: I get your point but I was forced of doing exactly this today and my Xorg proccess is 2h old but my uptime is 5.... so I assume that it worked
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• 1163[16:24:58] <greycat> you ... *assume*?! you didn't actually, like, NOTICE!! that your session was nuked from orbit?!
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• 1167[16:25:15] <Mister00X> well yes
• 1168[16:25:26] <greycat> I am not talking about resetting a display manager that's sitting at a login prompt. I am talking about being actually LOGGED IN.
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• 1172[16:26:58] <greycat> If all you wanted to do was restart a display manager, "systemctl restart lightdm" would be a whole lot simpler.
• 1173[16:27:10] <greycat> (or sddm or gdm3 or whatever you're using)
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• 1179[16:29:27] <Mister00X> greycat: according to w there are no "old" users present.... so... but of course simply restarting the displaymanager is simpler
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• 1189[16:31:59] <greycat> you tested on *someone else's* machine?
• 1190[16:32:07] <greycat> you're not physically THERE?
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• 1192[16:33:42] <Mister00X> greycat: no not someone else's machine
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• 1194[16:33:50] <Mister00X> and I am there
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• 1272[17:39:09] <keith4> I seem to recall that it used to be possible to boot the netboot installer in expert mode to install an older version. e.g., use the Stretch installer to install Jessie. Am I hallucinating?
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• 1274[17:41:57] <ratrace> keith4: you can use debootstrap from any debian/ubuntu, or maybe derivative distro; or even any distro that packages debootstrap.
• 1275[17:42:46] <Brigo> keith4, you always can use the stretch installer ...
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• 1277[17:43:08] <keith4> ratrace: good point. that will probably be the backup plan
• 1278[17:43:49] <keith4> Brigo: except in a case where the network card isn't supported by the Stretch installer ;-)
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• 1280[17:44:50] <Brigo> keith4, tough
• 1281[17:44:56] <keith4> I definitely remember doing this, years ago, in a similar situation; we used the Stretch installer to install Jessie somehow. Now want to use Buster installer to install Stretch, and it doesn't seem to be A Thing anymore
• 1282[17:45:15] <ratrace> I heretically use ubuntu live USB as rescue. it's debian based, hardware enabled, packs some serious zfs, and has debootstrap which is my preferred method of installation.
• 1283[17:45:29] <forky> <gasp>
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• 1285[17:46:02] <keith4> ironically, the firmware is packaged in stretch-backports
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• 1287[17:46:58] <n4dir> ratrace: debootstrap you will find in many if not all distros
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• 1290[17:49:28] <keith4> yah, deboostrap is essentially just a giant shell script. runs on anything
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• 1292[17:50:30] <Peyam> hi
• 1293[17:50:40] <petn-randall> keith4: I *think* it's the testing installer, in expert mode, that allows you to pick the target release.
• 1294[17:50:43] <petn-randall> hi Peyam
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• 1296[17:51:01] <Peyam> I use a docking station which is connected to my debian with a usb c. but the external screen doesnt show anything
• 1297[17:51:08] <keith4> apparently there's an unofficial installer that includes the non-free firmware. another potential option maybe
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• 1299[17:51:44] <keith4> petn-randall: YES, thanks!
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• 1301[17:51:49] <forky> keith4, thats what I use.
• 1302[17:52:11] <forky> replaced-url
• 1303[17:52:31] <Peyam> anyone?
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• 1306[17:54:16] <keith4> forky: good to know, thanks
• 1307[17:54:18] <Peyam> My laptop has a usb-c port. so I conencted my docking station to the usb-c port.
• 1308[17:54:18] <petn-randall> Peyam: Does it show up when running `xrandr`?
• 1309[17:54:25] <Peyam> but nothing is showen
• 1310[17:54:29] <Peyam> petn-randall, whre?
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• 1312[17:54:36] <petn-randall> Peyam: Yes, we read it the first time, you asked merely a few minutes ago.
• 1313[17:54:46] <Peyam> petn-randall, a sec
• 1314[17:55:34] <Peyam> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1317[17:57:13] <petn-randall> Peyam: It looks like the screen is not detected. The only one found is the built-in display.
• 1318[17:57:16] <keith4> petn-randall: indeed, the bullseye installer in expert mode lets you install bullseye or buster ;-) but not anything older. at least I'm not crazy, though
• 1319[17:57:29] <petn-randall> Peyam: What is the laptop model, and what model is the dock? Is the dock powered?
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• 1326[18:02:30] <Peyam> petn-randall, it is powered yes. the model of the computer is : HP ProBook 650 G2
• 1327[18:04:18] <petn-randall> Peyam: Do you see it connect via USB when you run `tail -f /var/log/kern.log` and unplug and replug it?
• 1328[18:04:35] <Peyam> petn-randall, and the version of the docker is Ho thunderbolt 230W G2
• 1329[18:05:15] <Peyam> petn-randall, well my keyboard and mouse is connected to the docker and docker is connected to the computer. and I am using them now when I type
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• 1331[18:06:36] <petn-randall> Peyam: I'd also check with the spec sheet which USB C port is supported for the dock. With my dock I have a lower maximum resolution if I plug it into the wrong one.
• 1332[18:08:03] <Peyam> I dont see anything. it is even not regocnised by the computer
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• 1334[18:08:38] <petn-randall> Peyam: You should at least get some output when the keyboard ... oh well.
• 1335[18:08:48] <jelly> pe sigh
• 1336[18:09:02] <jelly> Penix!
• 1337[18:09:12] <jelly> !penixstrike
• 1338[18:09:19] * jelly sighs again
• 1339[18:09:21] * petn-randall wonders if Peyam was connected to Ethernet via dock.
• 1340[18:09:28] <petn-randall> jelly: Say what now?
• 1341[18:09:40] <jelly> what
• 1342[18:10:25] <jelly> someone cleared out innuendoish factoids from the bot
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• 1344[18:11:03] <petn-randall> I guess.
• 1345[18:11:21] <jelly> so now I can't greet Penix properly
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• 1349[18:16:08] <petn-randall> jelly: I think Kali should rename themselves to Penix. A Portmaneau of PENtesting and lInuX.
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• 1352[18:16:17] <sney> hahaha
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• 1357[18:22:25] <forky> thats great - Ill never look at Kali the same again
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• 1360[18:23:37] <ratrace> I wouldn't look at Kali to begin with!
• 1361[18:23:59] <freem> well, if you look at it, at least you can know when it start moving dangerously
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• 1366[18:29:13] <forky> :P
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• 1369[18:31:02] <ratrace> if you look at it, you could also go blind.
• 1370[18:32:25] <freem> yup, better to wear glasses, to avoid being blinded by projections
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• 1372[18:33:12] <forky> oh I have multifocal eyes like this: 0__o
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• 1374[18:33:34] <forky> almost geeko aka openSuSE style ha
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• 1383[18:47:32] <sney> there's nothing wrong with kali itself, when used by the intended people. but maybe a rude name change would make it less appealing to script kiddies.
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• 1385[18:48:04] <greycat> A rude name would make it MORE appealing. Look at BitchX.
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• 1387[18:48:32] <freem> +1
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• 1389[18:48:48] <NixZiZ> Just call it something hard to google for, which gets suppressed heavily unless you know the url. Something really generic
• 1390[18:49:03] <NixZiZ> Like Daily Bread
• 1391[18:49:06] <daysun> is there any big difference between unattended-upgrades and just writing a cron for a script that runs apt-get upgrade etc?
• 1392[18:49:46] <forky> someone would simply make youtube videos for the kiddies to figure it out
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• 1394[18:50:46] <NixZiZ> True enough
• 1395[18:51:00] <NixZiZ> Skids will be skids
• 1396[18:51:17] <qman__> I don't remember if it was the same people or not but there used to be one called Auditer
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• 1402[18:55:48] <NixZiZ> replaced-url
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• 1404[18:56:49] <NixZiZ> It is the same people
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• 1407[18:57:00] <NixZiZ> Auditor and Whax merged in 2006 to create BackTrack, which is now Kali
• 1408[18:57:29] <forky> aka PENIX
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• 1410[18:57:56] <forky> whew, Im cracking up.
• 1411[18:58:02] <ratrace> poor Penix keeps getting hilighted
• 1412[18:59:04] <freem> lol
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• 1446[19:34:31] <hop> i have no luck setting up libpam-ssh-agent-auth. i seem to be able to query the agent with `ssh-add` just fine, but in the auth log i just get "pam_ssh_agent_auth: No ssh-agent could be contacted"
• 1447[19:34:35] <hop> any hints?
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• 1453[19:37:58] <forky> hop, have you added defaults env_keep += "SSH_AUTH_SOCK"
• 1454[19:38:03] <forky> or similar?
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• 1460[19:40:26] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> So is debian the base for ubuntu?
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• 1463[19:41:01] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> What isn't compatible with ubuntu & debian?
• 1464[19:41:38] <greycat> We don't know. That's the whole point.
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• 1469[19:48:50] <sney> LEGITtimeTRAVELE: see 3.2 here replaced-url
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• 1473[19:53:35] <hop> foxide: i tried `--preserve-env=SSH_AUTH_SOCK`. although the man page suggests it is not necessary with sudo's version
• 1474[19:53:45] <hop> foxide: sorry
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• 1476[19:54:03] <hop> fork gone?
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• 1482[19:57:40] <daysun> unattended-upgrades seems to lack a timer.. so what's "scheduling" it?
• 1483[19:57:41] <KOLANICH> Hi everyone.
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• 1485[19:57:49] <daysun> hi KOLANICH
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• 1490[20:00:28] <sponix2ipfw> daysun: I think it is meant to be ran through cron. not 100% sure though
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• 1492[20:01:03] <KOLANICH> I have a question related to the recent decision about allowing k8s to vendor dependencies. I feel like it may be a dangerous precedent and more packages will require them to be allowed to be packaged this way. I wonder why not just to state "if one wants an exception to allow to vendor lots of dependencies, it will not be granted, just use snap/flatpack"?
• 1493[20:01:08] <freem> is there is someone with more recent version of glibc than the stable's one?
• 1494[20:01:31] <freem> I would like to know if what I suspect to be a bug in there is fixed in more recent versions...
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• 1498[20:02:39] <freem> replaced-url
• 1499[20:03:04] <sney> ,v libc6
• 1500[20:03:06] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.31-9; sid: 2.31-9
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• 1503[20:04:08] <freem> right. Using debian stable's libc6, which is v2.28-10, and muslc is v1.1.21-2
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• 1507[20:06:26] <sney> returns 254 on bullseye
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• 1517[20:12:50] <jmcnaught> daysun: From what I can tell it is these 4 units: apt-daily{,-upgrade}.{service,timer}. They run /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily which is a script and has some comments, but also runs unattended-upgrades if it is present.
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• 1520[20:15:49] <hop> forky: you are onto something. enc_keep changes things, although a) the man page suggests it's not necessary with this version of sudo, b) i used --preserve-env to no avail and c) now i get a segfault
• 1521[20:15:53] <hop> progress!
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• 1524[20:18:35] <daysun> jmcnaught: hmm. Thanks. I will look there.
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• 1537[20:27:09] <freem> sney: ok thanks for info
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• 1554[20:29:51] <daysun> sney: what a nickname. Hats off to you.
• 1555[20:29:58] <daysun> hat*
• 1556[20:30:06] * daysun bows
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• 1558[20:31:04] <hop> oh no :(
• 1559[20:31:09] <hop> it works with an rsa key
• 1560[20:31:54] <freem> huh... reportbug really intends me to browse 493 bugs with a y/n user interface?...
• 1561[20:32:30] <ratrace> nothing hardens a debian veteran like yn-ing through 493 bugs!
• 1562[20:32:44] <apollo13> you do know you can keep keys pressed? :D
• 1563[20:33:08] <freem> apollo13: then, better to use "s - Skip remaining problems; file a new report immediately."
• 1564[20:33:18] <freem> oh, there's a filter feature good
• 1565[20:33:24] <apollo13> oh I was not really serious
• 1566[20:33:29] <freem> I was :p
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• 1569[20:36:23] <forky> hop, what error are you receiving currently?
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• 1571[20:37:56] <hop> no error, just a segfault
• 1572[20:40:30] <hop> now i broke something
• 1573[20:40:32] <hop> hang on
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• 1575[20:42:50] <apollo13> hop: hi from 200 km away ;)
• 1576[20:43:02] <hop> apollo13: o/
• 1577[20:43:27] <hop> small world :)
• 1578[20:43:39] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> ratrace: that would sound pretty creepy if it wasn't so sarcastic
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• 1580[20:43:42] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> lol
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• 1583[20:45:19] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> nothing like making the grunts go 'n get the wood stretcher
• 1584[20:45:55] <hop> memo to self… do _not_ accidentally enter ^A in vim
• 1585[20:46:08] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> only to have em come back frantically worried they couldn't find it
• 1586[20:46:50] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> hop: do not accidentally enter a honey pot
• 1587[20:47:22] <LEGITtimeTRAVELE> free bit coin stored in plaintext on a nas???
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• 1589[20:49:43] <hop> forky: right… i can confirm ecdsa cause a segfault
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• 1600[21:02:54] <freem> looks like the behavior I've seen in the snippet I posted above is caused by some strange reordering... for a reason I don't get, strace shows the write() call of 1st printf _after_ the 2nd one
• 1601[21:03:09] <freem> I'm not filing a bug now, then... I need to understand more what happens there
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• 1604[21:07:13] <ratrace> something something inlining optimizations something something
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• 1606[21:07:42] <forky> *shuffles cards* stuff broke
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• 1609[21:09:32] <hop> hm?
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• 1641[21:16:46] <freem> ratrace: yep, but that's quite strange still
• 1642[21:17:43] <freem> as every optimisation bug I guess.
• 1643[21:18:30] <freem> even with -O0 behavior seems wrong to me
• 1644[21:18:33] <ratrace> let me tell you then about this thing called speculative execution and opcode reordering :)
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• 1646[21:19:02] <freem> yep
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• 1649[21:19:30] <freem> I believe -O0 disables all optimisations? In theory, at least?
• 1650[21:19:46] <freem> except if the CPU itself if having fun...
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• 1658[21:25:15] <BCMM> isn't -O0 the default?
• 1659[21:25:39] <freem> I'm never sure, so when I want something I prefer to make it explicit
• 1660[21:26:45] <ratrace> explicit > implicit; PEP 20
• 1661[21:27:11] <freem> that's also in a thing named "common wisdom" I believe :)
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• 1665[21:34:54] <ratrace> omg stupid debian security malpractice..... _apt can't access my ~/ to install a couple of .debs I built becuase I run my systems secure, among other things, with 750 home dirs....
• 1666[21:35:03] <hop> why is so much pam stuff still on sourceforge?
• 1667[21:35:08] <hop> makes me feel icky
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• 1670[21:38:35] <greycat> ratrace: well, either change perms on the home dirs, or build the debs somewhere else
• 1671[21:38:50] <greycat> or move the debs to a new location after building them
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• 1675[21:40:16] <ratrace> yes I'll have to shim the apt install process via a copy to /tmp, for local .debs
• 1676[21:41:13] <ratrace> if you ask me this is a bug. you need root to install packages, and the privsep mechanism is too dumb to understand that
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• 1679[21:42:24] <freem> hop: one could be icky to simply have a security mechanism dynamically loading executables :p
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• 1682[21:43:04] * freem remember seeing pam segfaulting when trying to play with ldap
• 1683[21:43:38] <hop> yeah, no, pam segfaulting makes me positively panic
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• 1686[21:47:33] <jhutchins> hop: Let me guess: no backups?
• 1687[21:47:42] <hop> jhutchins: come again?
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• 1693[21:52:36] <ratrace> blast.... kernel sources Makefile builds debs that don't trigger dkms
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• 1695[21:54:22] <Siecje> I'm trying to create a docker image that will run a postgresql cluster when I login as a non root user. replaced-url
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• 1700[21:56:17] <ratrace> Siecje: you probably want #docker
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• 1704[21:58:42] <hop> ok, i /think/ i can correctly run this in gdb now. the segfault seems to happen in a call to BN_is_zero. more tomorrow
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• 1706[21:59:17] <hop> i would appreciate if anybody could confirm that ecdsa keys actually work for them with pam-ssh-agent-auth
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• 1708[22:00:49] <ratrace> hop: I can confirm that ecdsa _host_ keys work for me. I otherwise still use rsa auth keys
• 1709[22:02:32] <hop> ratrace: are you sure this is relevant?
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• 1711[22:02:56] <hop> i'm not sure i understand correclty
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• 1715[22:09:05] <ratrace> hop: openssh has both host keys and client (auth) keys
• 1716[22:09:20] <ratrace> I'm just confirming that the host keys work, I can't confirm auth keys because my auth keys are still rsa
• 1717[22:10:15] <hop> ratrace: yeah, but the whole problem is about a pam module, not ssh…
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• 1719[22:10:33] <ratrace> hop: ah, sorry then
• 1720[22:10:43] <hop> ok, just wanted to make sure
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• 1739[22:32:22] <brickfat> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: MX ""patito feo"" 19.3 • CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz (831MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1,9 GiB Total (1,6 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 7,8 GB / 29,8 GB (22,0 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Memory C
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• 1741[22:32:44] <ratrace> why are you posting that spam?
• 1742[22:33:07] <brickfat> trying a shit. apology
• 1743[22:34:36] <abrotman> brickfat: do you need help with Debian?
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