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• 5[00:05:00] <jelly> Fromhell, I don't have any idea what npm is or how it works, but you probably want to read the actual log.
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• 8[00:08:00] <freem> jelly: it's a buggy as hell package manager for shitty javascript
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• 10[00:09:12] <freem> in my last job, everyone trying to install fucked their system, mostly because they stupidly followed some random web tutorial saying "wget - | sudo bash" or stuff like that
• 11[00:09:30] <freem> I had to fix the installs and clean up the mess after. Everytime.
• 12[00:09:45] <BCMM> isn't that actual official npm install instructions?
• 13[00:10:01] <freem> probably yes.
• 14[00:10:12] <BCMM> (i'm not saying curl | sh isn't a terrible idea. i'm saying npm *is* a terrible idea.)
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• 16[00:10:28] <freem> stupid instructions for web dev which can't think and require an extension to check if the result of an operation is true or false
• 17[00:11:16] <freem> sorry. It's just than working with JS and electronjs devs made me discover one can have more than lack of respect for pseudo techs. One can actually feel hatred for those shit.
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• 19[00:12:03] <BCMM> ok it looks like they actually have tarballs up now, but that was the install instruction in the past
• 20[00:12:15] <freem> wow. Web devs discover archives.
• 21[00:12:23] <freem> maybe someday they'll discover real UI.
• 22[00:13:01] <freem> I won't hold my breath though.
• 23[00:13:02] <jmcnaught> ,v npm
• 24[00:13:03] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; stretch-backports: 5.8.0+ds6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-4+deb10u2; buster-backports: 6.14.8+ds-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 7.4.0+ds-1; sid: 7.4.0+ds-1
• 25[00:13:04] <karlpinc> IMO the big problem with the new debian.org is that it's hard to find the new release upgrade instructions. (It does not help that they're probably referred to as "release notes" and not upgrade instructions.)
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• 27[00:15:21] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I think using the packaged npm is probably hopeless. It was the last time I tried, because the npm ecosystem is fast-moving, unstable, and it was seemingly impossible to produce consistent package installation results in any case.
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• 29[00:15:46] <karlpinc> Things may have changed, dunno.
• 30[00:16:01] <freem> karlpinc: well, installing even official npm does not, as a matter of fact, requires root rights
• 31[00:16:19] <freem> one just needs a brain and to know one's tools to do that and not fuck the system
• 32[00:16:25] <karlpinc> freem: Yup. Needing to be root was not a problem I recall.
• 33[00:16:43] <freem> but people still insist at doing it, no idea why
• 34[00:17:20] <freem> and then the experienced one, which do not use that crap, must fix things behind them. Yeah, sure, npm is easy: you bork your system, and ask others to repair it because you don't know how to do so
• 35[00:17:31] <karlpinc> freem: Because they lack a sysadm that sets permissions and manages groups and accounts.
• 36[00:17:47] <freem> easy for the user, pain to people around the user, pain to the people actually using the UI built on js, too
• 37[00:18:22] <freem> I think a requirement to be dev is to have a brain and basics about computing
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• 40[00:21:18] <jelly> Fromhell, if you just want to try that irc client, you could install their binary package instead? replaced-url
• 41[00:21:40] <jelly> Fromhell, what is your actual goal here?
• 42[00:21:53] <freem> anyway... had to play the sysadmins at that time, which was not always unpleasant, despite me lacking the skills
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• 44[00:23:24] <jelly> Depends: nodejs (>= 10.15.0), bash
• 45[00:23:27] <jelly> ,v nodejs
• 46[00:23:28] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 10.21.0~dfsg-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 10.23.1~dfsg-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 12.19.0~dfsg-1; sid: 12.20.1~dfsg-3; experimental: 14.13.0~dfsg-1
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• 49[00:23:46] <jelly> so there's a chance it might work... on buster
• 50[00:23:47] <freem> replaced-url
• 51[00:23:49] <Fromhell> some one help whith thelounge ?
• 52[00:23:59] <freem> Fromhell: are you a bot?
• 53[00:24:07] <Fromhell> freem no
• 54[00:24:14] <jelly> Fromhell, have you read what I wrote to you above
• 55[00:24:16] <Fromhell> i don`t have help
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• 57[00:24:21] <freem> Fromhell: then I gave you pointers to hep you. Why don't you read it?
• 58[00:24:41] <Fromhell> freem , sorry
• 59[00:24:59] <Fromhell> can you give me help again
• 60[00:25:04] * freem shrugs
• 61[00:25:05] <jelly> don't be sorry, just show you've tried to follow what people wrote
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• 63[00:25:58] <jelly> Fromhell, what are you ACTUALLY trying to accomplish? Do you just want to try "thelounge" irc client? Or do you care about building it from source?
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• 65[00:26:28] <Fromhell> i try it from thelounge
• 66[00:26:46] <jelly> Fromhell, which debian release do you have installed?
• 67[00:27:05] <Fromhell> 4.19.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.160-2 (2020-11-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 68[00:27:14] <jelly> !debian suite
• 69[00:27:14] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 70[00:27:24] <jelly> Fromhell, that's just the kernel version.
• 71[00:27:51] <Fromhell> debian 10
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• 74[00:28:10] <jelly> Fromhell, are you aware thelounge has ready-made deb packages?
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• 76[00:28:20] <Fromhell> yes
• 77[00:28:33] <jelly> Fromhell, have you tried those?
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• 80[00:31:07] <Fromhell> jelly, wait , i will paste problem
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• 82[00:31:40] <Fromhell> jelly replaced-url
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• 86[00:33:58] <Fromhell> jelly
• 87[00:34:00] <Fromhell> ?
• 88[00:34:18] <jelly> Fromhell, your log shows building from source, not using finished deb packages. Have you tried downloading .deb and installing and using those?
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• 90[00:35:10] <Fromhell> yes i try like sudo apt install ./thelounge.deb
• 91[00:35:27] <Fromhell> but
• 92[00:35:28] <Fromhell> sudo apt install ./thelounge.deb
• 93[00:35:28] <Fromhell> Reading package lists... Done
• 94[00:35:28] <Fromhell> E: Unsupported file ./thelounge.deb given on commandline
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• 96[00:35:59] <jelly> where _precisely_ did you get that .deb from?
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• 99[00:36:47] <jelly> replaced-url
• 100[00:37:49] <jelly> that means going up tp replaced-url
• 101[00:37:51] <Fromhell> jelly
• 102[00:37:53] <Fromhell> i try it
• 103[00:38:08] <jelly> Fromhell, no, please answer my question
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• 105[00:38:19] <jelly> Fromhell, where _precisely_ did you get that .deb from?
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• 108[00:38:44] <Fromhell> jelly google
• 109[00:38:54] <jelly> that is not very precise
• 110[00:39:09] <jelly> Fromhell, which specific url on google?
• 111[00:39:28] <Fromhell> jelly , don`t remember
• 112[00:39:41] <jelly> great
• 113[00:39:50] <jhutchins> Fromhell: Google does not distribute files. You got that from a web link you found on google. What was the link?
• 114[00:39:58] <Fromhell> replaced-url
• 115[00:40:08] <Fromhell> look taht
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• 117[00:40:22] <jelly> Fromhell, we saw that. You pasted it at least three times already.
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• 119[00:40:36] <jhutchins> Fromhell: If you don't remember the link, check your browser history, and/or run the same search.
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• 121[00:40:41] <Fromhell> i make it from github
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• 123[00:40:47] <Fromhell> but have error
• 124[00:41:10] <jelly> Fromhell, can you get the ready .deb instead?
• 125[00:41:35] <Fromhell> jelly maby not , can you help
• 126[00:41:50] <jhutchins> That looks like the error message says "This is not compatible with your system". Do you need us to show you the "No Smoke" button?
• 127[00:42:10] <BCMM> Fromhell: replaced-url
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• 129[00:42:19] <jelly> Fromhell, go to replaced-url
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• 131[00:42:37] <jelly> Fromhell, scroll to the bottom and there's a link for .deb package download
• 132[00:43:08] <jhutchins> This is going awfully far into third party support.
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• 134[00:43:38] <jelly> jhutchins, feel free to help or shut up.
• 135[00:43:49] <jelly> either is fine
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• 137[00:45:35] <jelly> Fromhell, notice the package name there is actually "thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb" and not just "thelounge.deb" as the docs say.
• 138[00:47:19] <Fromhell> jelly, i havw thelounge thelounge.github.io
• 139[00:47:22] <Fromhell> etc
• 140[00:47:50] <jelly> Fromhell, click on thelounge
• 141[00:47:55] <Fromhell> ok
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• 143[00:48:02] <jelly> just like I just wrote
• 144[00:48:20] <Fromhell> i click
• 145[00:48:47] <freem> here I see the value of apple's mouses which only have 1 button :)
• 146[00:48:53] <jelly> indeed
• 147[00:49:09] <jelly> Gnome people probably like those as well
• 148[00:49:15] <freem> lol
• 149[00:49:31] <Fromhell> .github.vscode ......
• 150[00:50:05] <Fromhell> jelly ?
• 151[00:50:18] <jelly> <jelly> Fromhell, go to replaced-url
• 152[00:50:34] <jelly> Fromhell, which steps have you done so far?
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• 154[00:50:52] <jelly> you did "go to replaced-url
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• 157[00:51:05] <jelly> and then you did "click on thelounge ("main project")"
• 158[00:51:11] <jelly> Fromhell, so what's next
• 159[00:51:17] <jelly> ?
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• 161[00:51:41] <Fromhell> go thelounge
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• 163[00:51:52] <jelly> you already DID THAT
• 164[00:52:19] <jelly> Fromhell, examine the whole page.
• 165[00:52:29] <Fromhell> ok i see
• 166[00:52:33] <Fromhell> thnks
• 167[00:52:43] <Fromhell> if will question, can i ask ?
• 168[00:53:08] <jelly> you're already asking.
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• 170[00:53:46] <jelly> Fromhell, if I may ask, what is your native language?
• 171[00:54:02] <Fromhell> Russian
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• 175[00:55:41] <Fromhell> jelly, replaced-url
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• 177[00:57:07] <Fromhell> jelly replaced-url
• 178[00:57:54] <jelly> Fromhell, what are you doing there?
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• 182[00:58:10] <Fromhell> ? what you meen ?
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• 184[00:58:21] <jelly> Fromhell, did you find the "thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb" ?
• 185[00:58:36] <Fromhell> i show you mistake
• 186[00:58:45] <jelly> mistake of what?
• 187[00:59:06] <jelly> Fromhell, did you find the "thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb" ?
• 188[00:59:10] <Fromhell> i try , like web page
• 189[00:59:10] <freem> I think s/mistake/errors when doing something (which I didn't shown there)/
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• 192[00:59:59] <Fromhell> jelly , i can`t finf it
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• 194[01:01:30] <jelly> Fromhell, can you find Releases the right side of replaced-url
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• 429[01:03:47] <jelly> Fromhell, it says Releases (94) v4.2.0 - 2020-08-20 (Latest) on Aug 20, 2020 + 93 releases
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• 431[01:03:57] <jelly> Fromhell, can you see that?
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• 433[01:04:07] <Fromhell> no :(
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• 437[01:04:30] <jelly> Fromhell, can you upload a screenshot of replaced-url
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• 442[01:05:05] <Fromhell> i can,t see .deb
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• 512[01:05:54] <jelly> Fromhell, you have to click on the latest release version (v4.2.0 ...) first
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• 678[01:07:00] <freem> yes, their website is shitty, but hey, they are web devs, they do master the art of wasting people's time
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• 694[01:07:34] <freem> Fromhell: when you reach the last step I described above, you need to scroll down the page (again, bad website, yes) and you'll find the links you seek
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• 730[01:09:53] <freem> I don't think I can give a better path, except giving directly the URI, but that would not fix the problem on long term
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• 749[01:10:38] <jelly> yep, they need to learn how to browse github on their own
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• 752[01:11:00] <freem> tbh, I think the devs which made the website should provide a better path
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• 755[01:11:31] <freem> like, having a big button "download the last release", then moving people on a page with archives/packages for different systems
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• 776[01:15:44] <freem> I mean, to reach binaries, one needs 4 clicks and lot of scrolling. That's a lot, considered the fact providing the installers are probably the main point of the official website
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• 781[01:17:18] <jelly> sure they could have direct links to latest release artifacts, but that'd require a dynamically generated web page and you probably need someone who know a bit of javascript to do that
• 782[01:17:36] <jelly> or a server side language
• 783[01:17:48] <freem> they wrote an irc client in JS...
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• 786[01:18:39] <freem> and even without that, a simple link to a "download page" listing all archives with maybe a summary listings all platforms is not much, even I would be able to do that
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• 809[01:40:56] <Fromhell> jelly , replaced-url
• 810[01:41:43] <jelly> Fromhell, what is that
• 811[01:42:20] <Fromhell> that from thelounge
• 812[01:42:40] <Fromhell> step 1 ,2 , 3, 4
• 813[01:42:54] <jelly> Fromhell, did you install the deb package or are you doing something else?
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• 815[01:43:36] <Fromhell> jelly , can you say what deb to install
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• 817[01:43:47] <Fromhell> i can`t understand
• 818[01:44:06] <jelly> Fromhell, follow what freem told you.
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• 820[01:44:51] <jelly> Fromhell, are you able to understand those instructions?
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• 824[01:47:28] <Fromhell> jelly , Node.js binary distributions are available from NodeSource.
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• 826[01:47:44] <jelly> Fromhell, which page is that from?
• 827[01:47:50] <Fromhell> this ?
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• 830[01:48:27] <jelly> Fromhell, did you read what "freem" the user on irc wrote to you 40 minutes ago?
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• 832[01:49:05] <Fromhell> i just read obout github manual
• 833[01:49:17] <jelly> <freem> Fromhell: from this website: replaced-url
• 834[01:49:45] <jelly> <freem> Fromhell: when you reach the last step I described above, you need to scroll down the page (again, bad website, yes) and you'll find the
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• 836[01:50:32] <Fromhell> jelly
• 837[01:50:35] <Fromhell> jelly
• 838[01:50:38] <Fromhell> replaced-url
• 839[01:50:39] <jelly> Fromhell, can you follow that, step by step, to find and download "thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb"
• 840[01:50:41] <Fromhell> look
• 841[01:51:05] <jelly> Fromhell, I'm not going to look at any more of your links. Can you follow those two simple instructions?
• 842[01:51:18] <jelly> Fromhell, yes or no?
• 843[01:51:35] <Fromhell> i try but have mistake
• 844[01:51:39] <jelly> stop doing anything else, and focus on downloading the deb
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• 846[01:51:48] <jelly> Fromhell, can you do what freem said?
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• 851[01:52:33] <Fromhell> freem ofline,
• 852[01:52:43] <Fromhell> what can i do now
• 853[01:52:47] <jelly> I have JUST REPEATED what he wrote
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• 855[01:52:56] <freem> I'm not. But I can not do more than what I've already done.
• 856[01:53:01] <jelly> Fromhell, did you read that?
• 857[01:53:07] <Fromhell> i have mistake
• 858[01:53:09] <freem> Which is describing the exact steps to find the damn file
• 859[01:53:33] <jelly> Fromhell, I can't help you if you're doing something else and not following our instructions.
• 860[01:53:34] <freem> Fromhell: if you don't do your own part, we can't help you. It's that simple.
• 861[01:54:19] <Fromhell> jelly,ok, can you step by step
• 862[01:54:39] <Fromhell> please
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• 864[01:55:07] <jelly> Fromhell, I just did repeat the steps. They are separated by commas ,
• 865[01:55:23] <jelly> Fromhell, did you read those?
• 866[01:55:29] <freem> maybe we should use google translate to translate into russian, at that point...
• 867[01:56:10] <jelly> Fromhell, <jelly> <freem> Fromhell: from this website: replaced-url
• 868[01:56:11] <freem> it's not like I use complicated english (not native, not linguist, I just doubt I could use complicated english if I wanted to...)
• 869[01:56:16] <Fromhell> :~/thelounge# apt install ./thelounge.deb
• 870[01:56:16] <Fromhell> Reading package lists... Done
• 871[01:56:16] <Fromhell> E: Unsupported file ./thelounge.deb given on commandline
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• 873[01:56:32] <jelly> Fromhell, what are you doing now.
• 874[01:56:38] <LtL> took me all of 30 seconds to find it. if that
• 875[01:56:51] <jelly> Fromhell, go to replaced-url
• 876[01:56:58] <jelly> Fromhell, click on "get started"
• 877[01:57:06] <Fromhell> yes
• 878[01:57:09] <jelly> Fromhell, click on "install and upgrade"
• 879[01:57:20] <Fromhell> debian
• 880[01:57:21] <jelly> Fromhell, click on "Debian and Ubuntu based distributions"
• 881[01:57:32] <jelly> Fromhell, click on "the latest release"
• 882[01:57:52] <Fromhell> yes
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• 884[01:58:05] <jelly> Fromhell, scroll down the page (again, bad website, yes) and you'll find the package download named thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb
• 885[01:58:05] <freem> really...
• 886[01:58:09] <slop> hii all <3
• 887[01:58:24] <freem> hi slop
• 888[01:58:30] <Fromhell> thelounge_4.2.0_all.deb?
• 889[01:58:39] <Fromhell> i download
• 890[01:58:42] <Fromhell> then
• 891[01:59:33] <jelly> Fromhell, then install it the same way you tried to install "thelounge.web"
• 892[02:00:17] <freem> apt install can install from local packages? Didn't knew that, was still using dpkg for that
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• 894[02:00:33] <jelly> and it resolves missing deps
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• 896[02:00:52] <freem> good to know
• 897[02:01:10] <jelly> so no need to dpkg -i, let it fail, then apt-get -f install
• 898[02:01:23] <jelly> or gdebi or whatever
• 899[02:01:54] <Fromhell> dpkd -???
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• 901[02:02:26] <jelly> Fromhell, use the same syntax as you did for thelounge.deb, except do it on the new file.
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• 905[02:04:36] <Fromhell> same problem
• 906[02:04:39] <jelly> Fromhell, and tell us which command you used, and if it worked or not
• 907[02:05:06] <jelly> Fromhell, which command did you use? What was the output?
• 908[02:05:06] <Fromhell> replaced-url
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• 910[02:06:19] <jelly> Fromhell, does "getent hosts registry.yarnpkg.com" work for you?
• 911[02:06:43] <Fromhell> what you meen ?
• 912[02:07:08] <jelly> Fromhell, I mean run the command and see if you get a result
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• 914[02:07:39] <Fromhell> jelly ? what i must to, do ?
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• 916[02:07:59] <jelly> Fromhell, run "getent hosts registry.yarnpkg.com". What does it say?
• 917[02:08:08] <jelly> I want to see if your dns works.
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• 919[02:09:03] <Fromhell> replaced-url
• 920[02:09:10] <Fromhell> jelly
• 921[02:09:11] <Fromhell> replaced-url
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• 924[02:10:58] <jelly> Fromhell, hard to say why yarn failed, there.
• 925[02:11:07] <jelly> but the output says: [!!] Failed to install sqlite3 module correctly, The Lounge will continue working, but you might want to fix this.
• 926[02:11:17] <jelly> Fromhell, "The Lounge will continue working"
• 927[02:11:40] <Souler> Hi. I need your help. I have the Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 firewire audio interface. It is connected via an adapter to the Thunderbolt port. I don't know how to make it be seen in the system as a sound card and work with the jack server. I am giving you what the system says now:
• 928[02:11:40] <Souler> replaced-url
• 929[02:11:43] <jelly> Fromhell, so maybe go back to your normal user and use the app?
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• 935[02:14:13] <jelly> Souler, it seems the PCIexpress device was not initialized properly and it's not visible in lspci. Is there any difference if you don't hotplug it, but power on the machine while it's already plugged in?
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• 942[02:16:58] <slop> Other night I was driving myself crazy on Citrix Workspace, doing all sorts of config changes that folks came up with.... until! I found this article. Resolved the issue, working great now. replaced-url
• 943[02:17:23] <oerheks> It's not just you! paste.debian.net is down.??
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• 946[02:18:39] <Souler> My old computer had a firewire port and it was enough to type modprobe snd_dice and it worked. It's a little different now. Now the interface is powered by the Thunderbolt port. Now I don't know what modules to add to the kernel.
• 947[02:20:25] <jelly> modules won't do any good if there's no device on the bus at all
• 948[02:21:17] <jelly> oerheks, replaced-url
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• 957[02:22:10] <oerheks> thanks jelly
• 958[02:23:15] <jelly> Souler, so, is there any difference if it's all connected at power-on time?
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• 971[02:36:08] <Souler> Faddo-dbus-server
• 972[02:36:09] <Souler> Fatal (devicemanager.cpp)[ 187] initialize: No firewire adapters (ports) found.
• 973[02:36:09] <Souler> 1610674414579783: Error (ffado-dbus-server.cpp)[ 282] main: Could not initialize device manager
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• 975[02:37:36] <b00b_bot> hi can anyone tell me how to forbid all http request methods on an apache2 webserver udner debian, except the GET method? i tried this replaced-url
• 976[02:38:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1194
• 977[02:38:44] <sney> b00b_bot: you might get better assistance in #httpd for unusual apache stuff
• 978[02:40:01] <sney> they may whine about "broken debian scripts" but the only way that could be relevant here, is if you have another config file that overrides this one
• 979[02:40:04] <slop> have you tried iptables?
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• 981[02:40:39] <b00b_bot> sney: hey. ok i will joint that chan too, i searched for apache first, but didnt find anything useful, except one or thre potential chans with a handfull "users" (probably bots) that didnt reply
• 982[02:41:20] <b00b_bot> config file for me is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
• 983[02:41:50] <b00b_bot> slop: no and i want if i can get this done by apache settings (what must be possible)
• 984[02:41:54] <b00b_bot> *wont
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• 987[02:42:27] <sney> debian apache2 has a lot of conf.d, mods-enabled, etc style of symlinked configs, which apache upstream has been known to dislike. it is probably not relevant to this situation, just a warning of what to expect.
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• 989[02:43:09] <b00b_bot> oh ok...
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• 998[02:49:11] <sponix> sney: you want to see contrast with the same package. check out Manjaro/Arch Apache vs Debian
• 999[02:49:34] <sney> sponix: I have used apache on other unix variants, yes
• 1000[02:50:14] <sney> on smartos I found myself recreating the sites-available/sites-enabled structure because I kept expecting it to be there.
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• 1007[03:03:21] <b00b_bot> sney: i got help and hopefully it will work. thanks for redirecting me to #httpd :)
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• 1009[03:03:31] <sney> np
• 1010[03:03:39] <dvs> 404
• 1011[03:03:42] <b00b_bot> cya
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• 1023[03:12:08] <sponix> sney: with Arch it like the html base is /var/svr/replaced-url
• 1024[03:12:37] <sponix> sney: SmartOS is that OpenSolaris based one, isn't it ?
• 1025[03:13:23] <sney> right, and very basic. actually, a lot of the software comes from pkgsrc, so it's probably the same apache dist as you'd get on the BSDs
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• 1030[03:15:53] <sponix> I use to dabble with BSD flavors, but now I am just so use to the way Debian and its derivatives do things BSD, Solaris, and others just piss me off
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• 1034[03:17:05] <sney> I never got the hang of the BSDs. I'm sure I could if I needed to, but that seems less and less likely as t
• 1035[03:17:13] <sney> as time passes..
• 1036[03:19:14] <sney> illumos (formerly with smartos, currently with omniosce) always has a place on my network though. it gets the new zfs features first (my pool currently won't even import on freebsd or linux) and tbh I'm just used to it for that. everything else I have is debian.
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• 1077[04:01:30] <slop> have a good night all
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• 1097[04:26:41] <oxek> what is the difference between dyn.manpages.debian.org and manpages.debian.org?
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• 1101[04:29:04] <sney> it appears to be the same software running on 2 different hosts
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• 1105[04:33:23] <oxek> it's interesting that dyn.manpages.debian.org is not listed anywhere (based on internet search)
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• 1107[04:35:18] <sney> maybe it's for staging whenever they update debiman
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• 1109[04:36:22] <oxek> I found that url in my pihole dns log after running /usr/bin/dman
• 1110[04:36:37] <oxek> it's a script, that contains the line BASE_URL="replaced-url
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• 1117[04:44:31] <themill> oxek: most Debian web stuff is strictly static; dyn probably only provides the search facility
• 1118[04:44:57] <themill> (static means it can be CDNd easily, mounted read-only for the daemon, doesn't take the server down with rendering load etc)
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• 1213[06:45:39] <yibo> Hello,I changed stable to testing in apt/source.list and upgrade the system,but I found some tools can't work.and I want to change bulleyes to buster,what should I do?
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• 1215[06:50:21] <yibo> when I use apt-get install to install some packages,It said you have held broken packages
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• 1219[06:53:08] <alex11> you can't really downgrade
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• 1221[06:53:21] <alex11> the freeze is happening now so you may as well stay on bullseye until it releases as stable
• 1222[06:53:31] <alex11> but i would change 'testing' to 'bullseye' in your sources.list
• 1223[06:53:40] <alex11> or you'll get nasty surprises when bullseye releases
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• 1225[06:54:33] <yibo> alex11:emmm,okok thank you sounds good : )
• 1226[06:54:36] <alex11> if you really really really want buster back, backup your data and reinstall
• 1227[06:54:54] <yibo> got it,thank you
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• 1229[06:56:13] <yibo> bullseye in 2021 : )
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• 1359[09:38:39] <fly_agaric> hello guys i have a debian 9 server and i cannot add static routes everything which i try in interfaces is ignored...
• 1360[09:40:20] <fly_agaric> i tried everything from here replaced-url
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• 1370[10:02:37] <ksk> !doesntwork
• 1371[10:02:40] <ksk> !does not work
• 1372[10:02:40] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 1376[10:03:16] <fly_agaric> i dont know what the route does or not does i just cant see it with route -n only default route shows up yes maybe its washing the dishes
• 1377[10:03:19] <fly_agaric> who knows
• 1378[10:03:39] <ksk> "route" is deprecated. I only know "ip" usage.
• 1379[10:03:52] <ksk> what does "ip -4 r s " show? (replaced-url
• 1380[10:04:12] <ksk> what command did you issue, and whats the return you get from the shell upon issuing it?
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• 1383[10:06:02] <fly_agaric> up route add -net 161.27.223.153 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 192.168.111.210 dev ens192
• 1384[10:06:02] <fly_agaric> down route del -net 161.27.223.153 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 192.168.111.210 dev ens192
• 1385[10:06:10] <fly_agaric> at the end of the interfaces file
• 1386[10:06:35] <fly_agaric> and if i issue /etc/init.d/networking restart it just does not add the route
• 1387[10:06:39] <fly_agaric> no error
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• 1394[10:09:51] <mboehn_> fly_agaric: does it work if you do it manually?
• 1395[10:10:00] <fly_agaric> yes the route shows up at least
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• 1425[10:40:58] <tarzeau> ~.
• 1426[10:41:00] <tarzeau> !~.
• 1427[10:41:00] <dpkg> rumour has it, ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about <+>
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• 1440[10:57:25] <jelly> tarzeau, apt bot is muted, it's database is horribly out of date. It's just here for public log purposes now
• 1441[10:57:41] <jelly> its *
• 1442[10:59:16] <ratrace> public log? where is its GDRP constent form that I haven't agreed with? :)
• 1443[10:59:19] <ratrace> *GDPR
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• 1446[11:00:36] <_Onyx47_> jelly, no, you got it right the first time, English is broken, "its" is possesive and "it's" is contraction for "it is", as opposed to every other word in English...
• 1447[11:01:08] <_Onyx47_> (sorry for offtopic, I'm not even bothered by people getting it wrong, I'm bothered by the language being broken :P)
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• 1456[11:03:52] <linuxmint> test
• 1457[11:04:08] <ratrace> failed
• 1458[11:04:29] <wsky> test failed: success
• 1459[11:04:30] <linuxmint> Hi, looking to download Debain Buster (10.6). Here's what I find: replaced-url
• 1460[11:04:43] <linuxmint> I don't see the typical .iso file for an easy install.
• 1461[11:05:11] <linuxmint> Then I plan to install wpa_supplicant to try and status UP my new Wi-Fi PCIe NIC.
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• 1463[11:06:02] <linuxmint> iwd and wpa_supplicant failed on Debian Buster (10.6) running Proxmox, so I thought I'd try with just 10.6 running.
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• 1465[11:06:12] <ratrace> linuxmint: there's a huge download button, and I really mean _huge_ even for Web3.0 standards, here: replaced-url
• 1466[11:06:57] <linuxmint> ratrace: thanks, but that's 10.7.0, not 10.6.
• 1467[11:07:36] <ratrace> so? you don't intend to upgrade your debian with latest security and bugfixes?
• 1468[11:07:44] <linuxmint> Needs to be the same as Proxmox, so I can find out if my Wi-Fi PCIe NIC works on Debian or not.
• 1469[11:08:04] <apollo13> linuxmint: even if you install 10.6 the wpa_supplicant install would in the worst case pull from the repos and get the 10.7 version
• 1470[11:08:16] <apollo13> proxmox __is__ debian
• 1471[11:08:27] <apollo13> if it doesn't work on proxmox it won't work on the same debian version either
• 1472[11:08:37] <ratrace> linuxmint: what apollo13 said. 10.7 is just a snapshot of the package states at that moment. if you apt upgrade, you'll get to 10.7
• 1473[11:08:46] <linuxmint> apollo13: ok. Yes, but noone offers support with the failed iwd and wpa_supplicant, hence installing just Debian OS.
• 1474[11:09:04] <apollo13> also: chances are that if it doesn't work on 10.7 it won't work on 10.6 anyways
• 1475[11:09:16] <linuxmint> k, I'll try 10.7.
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• 1478[11:09:23] <apollo13> linuxmint: also update your proxmox
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• 1480[11:09:30] <apollo13> mine shows 10.7 in /etc/debian_version
• 1481[11:09:46] <apollo13> not sure where you got the impression that proxmox would be on 10.6
• 1482[11:09:51] <linuxmint> apollo13: yes, just installed the latest Proxmox (10.6 Debian), and hit all these issues.
• 1483[11:09:55] <ratrace> there aren't any wpa_supplicant specific upgrades in the 10.7 release notes, so I agree with apollo13. There _might_ be fixes in the upgraded kernel, but.... check its changelog to verify that.
• 1484[11:10:11] <linuxmint> apollo13: replaced-url
• 1485[11:10:13] <apollo13> linuxmint: then upgrade it, my up2date proxmox box is on 10.7
• 1486[11:10:29] <apollo13> linuxmint: since november that thingy got upgrades…
• 1487[11:10:32] <linuxmint> apollo13: just installed the latest Proxmox.iso.
• 1488[11:10:37] <apollo13> *sigh*
• 1489[11:10:39] <_Onyx47_> oof, I should update mine as well, it's a bit behind
• 1490[11:10:41] <apollo13> iso are old, update…
• 1491[11:10:57] <linuxmint> apollo13: sure, just need Internet, hence the Wi-Fi PCIe NIC setup.
• 1492[11:11:13] <apollo13> uhm
• 1493[11:11:21] <apollo13> you really want cable for those kind of things
• 1494[11:11:29] <ratrace> btw, proxmox is _based_ on debian, so same caveats apply as for any other derivative.
• 1495[11:11:45] <linuxmint> works find on this desktop with Wi-Fi. Internet is temporarily needed here at home.
• 1496[11:12:06] <apollo13> granted proxmox has their own kernel, but you can still boot the original debian kernel (not that I think it would make a big diff)
• 1497[11:12:29] <ratrace> apollo13: we don't know that
• 1498[11:12:30] <apollo13> ah 30m cable often works wonders
• 1499[11:12:34] <linuxmint> apollo13: well, seems to be the only way for support on the iwd and wpa errors.
• 1500[11:12:35] <ratrace> !based on debian
• 1501[11:12:36] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1502[11:12:42] <linuxmint> 30m?
• 1503[11:12:48] <apollo13> ratrace: yeah, just saying (being a proxmox user myself)
• 1504[11:12:52] <apollo13> linuxmint: 30 meter
• 1505[11:13:03] <linuxmint> 30m cable? No cable internet here.
• 1506[11:13:28] <linuxmint> Just wifi, space later this year probs.
• 1507[11:13:29] <apollo13> that is certainly one way to shoot yourself in the foot
• 1508[11:13:47] <ratrace> at any rate, assuming proxmox follows debian point releases in the same respect .... they're just snapshots. regular, normal "apt upgrade" will get you to 10.7 (on Debian), so there is ZERO point in installing a specific earlier point release.
• 1509[11:14:04] <apollo13> either way on your normal desktop which most certainly has an ethernot port you can use network manager to provide cable bound internet to the proxmox box
• 1510[11:14:04] <linuxmint> just working poor, have to manage the budget. Works fine, just the wifi nic is problematic now.
• 1511[11:14:29] <apollo13> network manager can simply share your wifi connection of the ethernet port
• 1512[11:14:46] <apollo13> as far as nm can be called "simple" at least
• 1513[11:14:53] <linuxmint> ok, might be easier than the problematic iwd and wpa.
• 1514[11:15:43] <linuxmint> is that a bridge type setup? Cable is limited to the server buried in the garage basement, unless it will travel via the LAN?
• 1515[11:16:03] <linuxmint> I run a LAN so it's all cabled.
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• 1519[11:17:59] <ratrace> if y'all are talking about bridging wifi-eth, your wifi device/driver has to support that. otherwise you'll have to NAT
• 1520[11:18:19] <linuxmint> ratrace: wow, I'll need to research this.
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• 1523[11:22:22] <linuxmint> Guess I'll chat with LinuxMint channel how to do this Internet thingy.
• 1524[11:22:25] <linuxmint> thx
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• 1527[11:26:37] <linuxmint> I'm reading this, hopefully not the wrong track? replaced-url
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• 1536[11:35:29] <linuxmint> Ok, I assume this is not networking via any router/firewall. Just direct between machine0 and machine1.
• 1537[11:35:50] <linuxmint> The LAN has no router/firewall. Once installed, there will be a vm router.
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• 1637[12:40:56] <sgo11> Hi, I am running debian 10 on AMD R7 4800U cpu (a new laptop). Does sensors output Tctl/Tdie mean the temperature of CPU? It is always 50+ °C when idle and can be up to 70+ °C very easily. It's winter here and very cold. Are there anything wrong here? Even windows 10 shows 40°C sometimes on AMD R7 4800U (the same laptop). By running the same OS, it's normally 27°C on intel i7-9850H laptop. I never see
• 1638[12:41:02] <sgo11> such high temperature before.
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• 1645[12:59:09] <ratrace> sgo11: there may be multiple sensors, and acpi bugs, which one are you looking at really?
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• 1648[13:01:17] <ratrace> sgo11: and also I think you'll need a newer kernel than 4.19 in Stable to get up to date AMD featurset.
• 1649[13:02:58] <sgo11> ratrace: I am running kernel 5.8.0. I am looking at k10temp-pci-00c3 Tctl/Tdie. I think that is the CPU temp. I think this cpu is bad.
• 1650[13:03:41] <sgo11> I found this thread: replaced-url
• 1651[13:04:01] <sgo11> Many people experience high cpu temp on this CPU.
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• 1657[13:06:22] <ratrace> sgo11: first off, why are you running 5.8, that's eol'd long time ago. 5.9 is in backports, which is EOL too, and 5.10 is coming up
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• 1659[13:07:20] <ratrace> sgo11: as for those threads, it's possible they're right. I just know that latest zens required in-kernel support for that, AND depending on which sensor you're looking at, it could be a wrong one or ACPI bugged one
• 1660[13:08:32] <ratrace> as an example, on my intel I have coretemp driver that shows correct temps per core, but there's something called "Package id" that's showing a different number, and some acpi thermal zones that are some entirely different still
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• 1675[13:19:15] <TomyWork> I'd like to fix the following warning: "W: GPG error: replaced-url
• 1676[13:19:55] <TomyWork> the repo machine is older than the stretch machine, so it's unlikely that the signature algorithm is too new
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• 1679[13:20:44] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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• 1683[13:25:18] <sgo11> ratrace: thanks for your reply. After googling, online articles say I should read Tctl/Tdie values for AMD CPU temp. This is my sensors complete stdout: replaced-url
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• 1686[13:27:08] <ratrace> sgo11: did you try upgrading the kernel? 5.9 replaced 5.8 in backports
• 1687[13:27:24] <sgo11> This is my first time using AMD CPU. I think AMD CPU has high temperature then.
• 1688[13:27:49] <ratrace> sgo11: why are you ignoring my questions about kernel upgrade?
• 1689[13:27:55] <jelly> sgo11, or worse linux support
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• 1693[13:31:06] <sgo11> ratrace: I am not ignoring. Due to the limite of my English and the slow network in my place, my previous reply was sent before receiving your new question regarding kernel upgrade. I also need time to think how to type English properly. I haven't tried to upgrade the kernel. I am running persistent live system. Need to figure out how to update a live system's kernel. :)
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• 1695[13:33:13] <ratrace> sgo11: so you're running ubuntu? :)
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• 1698[13:34:09] <sgo11> ratrace: sorry, no. I am not running ubuntu. I am running debian 10. ^_^
• 1699[13:35:14] <ratrace> sgo11: debian 10 has 4.19. so... if you're on 5.8 it means you installed from backports. which means the same way you installed 5.8 you can install (upgrade to) 5.9
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• 1701[13:39:35] <BCMM> sgo11: 72 C when under load is OK
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• 1703[13:39:50] <slop> Hi all <3
• 1704[13:41:17] <sgo11> ratrace: I use some mx linux tools to turn my installed debian OS to a persistent live system. So I no longer knew how to upgrade the kernel unless creating another new live system. I use persistent live system daily nowadays and haven't tried to update kernel yet.
• 1705[13:41:41] <ratrace> so you're not on debian 10 at all. gotcha :)
• 1706[13:42:38] <sgo11> ratrace: I am on debian 10. and did some modifications so that I can use mx linux tools to create a persistent live system.
• 1707[13:42:48] <TomyWork> how do i enable apt-get debug output?
• 1708[13:42:50] <sgo11> I was
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• 1710[13:43:32] <TomyWork> I only found posts online for enabling debug output for specific components. I'd like to enable all of it
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• 1712[13:44:06] <sgo11> BCMM: thanks. but I was not really running anything. 72 C in general. 50+ C when I don't run anything.
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• 1714[13:45:06] <ratrace> sgo11: Well I don't care either way (just having fun reading the lies) ... thing is, your best bet for better AMD metrics for THAT cpu is newer kernel. 5.9 is backports, 5.10 coming soon. so try that, or don't.
• 1715[13:45:18] <H4ndy> Laptops are usually set to use the fans as little as possible and therefore run the CPU at the upper limits until cooling is really needed
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• 1718[13:53:22] <slop> huh interesting. have a machine with a fresh install of buster that doesnt start x, first time Ive seen that in a while (maybe years)
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• 1721[13:55:37] <sgo11> ratrace: thanks a lot for the tip. I think I will try to update the kernel. For a persistent live system, maybe just to change the file "vmlinuz". will need to learn how to do it.
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• 1723[13:57:07] <ratrace> sgo11: consult the mx linux docs. on debian, you just apt upgrade
• 1724[13:58:09] <slop> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y if you dont want to deal with prompts on mx I believe.
• 1725[13:59:30] <sgo11> slop: I am running a persistent live system. Everything is working the same as the normal installed system except upgrading a kernel. :)
• 1726[13:59:50] <slop> ah cool, I missed that
• 1727[13:59:58] <slop> no idea then :D
• 1728[14:00:43] <oxek> ratrace: if they installed kernel 5.8 package directly, and not using the linux-image-amd64, then they would not get upgrade to 5.9 on apt upgrade
• 1729[14:00:52] <oxek> a bunch of people have done this recently
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• 1731[14:01:01] <_Onyx47_> slop: INB4 nvidia (for your problem)?
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• 1734[14:03:04] <ratrace> oxek: so, not a #debian issue still
• 1735[14:04:08] <slop> I want to say mx linux has a forum, not sure if they have a official irc channel. looks an #mxlinux channel exists with <20 people in it (on freenode at least)
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• 1737[14:04:38] <oxek> ratrace: why not? 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64' is a valid thing to do.
• 1738[14:05:08] <oxek> and it prevents future kernel upgrades, which is why people would not get 5.9 offered
• 1739[14:05:16] <ratrace> oxek: that would assume debian. no idea what they did to their system with the "mx tools" mentioned
• 1740[14:05:54] <ratrace> oxek: but anyway, then that same command could be used with 5.9 version. which is what I said earlier: install 5.9 the same way 5.8 was installed
• 1741[14:06:21] <ratrace> "same way" involving all the modifications done on that system to get the 5.8 in the first place
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• 1746[14:08:48] <oxek> you're right, you make a good point
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• 1796[15:02:17] <Souler> Hi. Hope you can help me solve my problem. I have a firewire audio interface. It is connected via an apple firewire / thunderbolt adapter to a ThinkPad W541 computer with Debian Buster. I cannot run it myself. The system says such errors: replaced-url
• 1797[15:02:21] <Souler> One interesting thing is happening. I still have Windows on my computer. All the drivers are well installed and the interface starts and works, gets up. If I switch back to Debian later it still works and it starts working on Linux too, it connects normally to Jack Server and works fine. When I shut down my computer and then choose Debian again, it doesn't work again. It seems Windows is bringing the interface to a certain functional
• 1798[15:02:26] <Souler> state and linux is catching it, but linux alone is not able to bring it to that state. Can you help me to configure my computer so that the interface works on linux from start to finish?
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• 1800[15:06:22] <linuxmint> Hi, any help with brctl?
• 1801[15:06:39] <linuxmint> Unsure on adding the 2 interfaces. which is which?
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• 1803[15:06:51] <linuxmint> for the command # brctl addif br0 eth0 eth1.
• 1804[15:07:53] <linuxmint> error: can't add enp3s0 to bridge br0: Operation not permitted
• 1805[15:07:55] <sstory> I followed this: replaced-url
• 1806[15:08:31] <sstory> Question: Will this mean when I do an apt to update the system it will pull in all backport packages and override stable, or will it only get those I specify as I want them?
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• 1808[15:08:54] <linuxmint> interface enp2s0 does not exist
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• 1810[15:09:41] <sstory> In otherwords, I think I would only want that to be used for a limited amount of packages I think.
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• 1818[15:16:41] <ratrace> sstory: you just make sure you don't use -t buster-backports for apt upgrade
• 1819[15:17:13] <ratrace> installing from backports will only install the requested packages and any dependencies it might have from backports too, if they're really required
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• 1821[15:19:40] <slop> anyone have a recent install of buster that doesnt start x?
• 1822[15:20:08] <Mister00X> slop: I had one
• 1823[15:20:28] <Mister00X> solved by installing firmware
• 1824[15:21:30] <slop> ok great, thank you
• 1825[15:22:03] <Mister00X> slop: you may need contrib and non-free enabled for that
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• 1828[15:23:08] <slop> thanks!!
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• 1843[15:33:20] <sstory> ratrace: That is what I hoped! Thanks
• 1844[15:33:46] <sstory> Strangely the new LibreOffice only has the default set of icons--which I hate. I wonder how to get the other choices
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• 1848[15:35:44] <node1> How to install package but not additional or suggested one. Using apt-get command line?
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• 1850[15:36:29] <n4dir> --no-install-recommends ; for suggested you are on your own
• 1851[15:36:55] <phogg> I thought that suggests are not installed by default
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• 1853[15:37:16] <phogg> you have to opt in to suggests with --install-suggests
• 1854[15:37:38] <node1> n4dir, Thank you
• 1855[15:37:41] <phogg> unless your apt config has changed the setting (unlikely)
• 1856[15:38:09] <n4dir> 15 years of debian, and i didn't know it. lol. thanks phogg
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• 1858[15:38:42] <sstory> Nevermind, I found it.
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• 1929[16:59:04] <dob1> to change keyboard layout in Xord what are the options?
• 1930[16:59:09] <dob1> *Xorg
• 1931[16:59:54] <dob1> (using a window manager)
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• 1949[17:09:30] <BCMM> dob1: you could set it up in Xorg.conf, or set it up to run `setxkbmap` at the start of the session
• 1950[17:10:25] <BCMM> if you need multiple keyboard layouts, there are various options to have a keyboard combo toggle it
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• 1952[17:11:10] <BCMM> (i have it so the second layout applies when scroll lock is on)
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• 1957[17:14:45] <BCMM> dob1: oh apparently Debian uses the same configuration for X and the console, so for simple setups you can just do dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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• 1988[17:41:31] <slop> hi all <3
• 1989[17:41:45] <bigsahar69> hi
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• 1998[17:48:24] <jhutchins> X inherits the keyboard configuration from the non-graphic system, then applies any customizations done in X.
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• 2008[17:54:06] <slop> What desktop environment do you prefer? I mostly use XFCE no matter how beefy the system is.
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• 2012[17:55:06] <OneLegend> I like making my own desktop environment with a window manager and polybar. For prebuilt ones, I prefer KDE.
• 2013[17:55:17] <bigsahar69> my pc is old and low spec, xfce is good for me
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• 2015[17:56:09] <OneLegend> dwm and polybar works good
• 2016[17:56:19] <zykotick9> slop: what is your favourite color? Mine might be blue. Both color preference and DE/WM preference is 100% personal.
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• 2018[17:57:05] <echelon> OneLegend: i use dwm
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• 2021[17:57:54] <slop> zykotic9, mine is whatever matches the rest of my outfit. so black. until they make a darker colour. 100% personal agreed, its why I asked what do YOU prefer :)
• 2022[17:58:12] <zykotick9> slop: ask 10 people get 10 answers.
• 2023[17:58:20] <echelon> but it's very limited and some software just appear buggy, i think i'm going to consider cinnamon since it also does tiling
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• 2026[17:59:07] <slop> agreed, and have 9 choices to try others as well if one wasnt aware of it previously. e.g., gnome, kde, xfce, cinnamon, mate, etc etc etc
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• 2029[17:59:14] <zykotick9> dwm->cinnamon that's quite a change
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• 2039[18:06:41] <echelon> does openbox do tiling
• 2040[18:07:40] <Haohmaru> lxde for me
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• 2042[18:08:24] <zykotick9> echelon: I don't think openbox does tiling, but i could be wrong...
• 2043[18:08:38] <echelon> np
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• 2046[18:11:35] <johny181> 9:28 PM <johny181> Hi.... I have a problem with printing when I issue a printout using `lp -d printername filename` then it print just fine, but when I issue same printout from system-text editor then it doesn't print good.
• 2047[18:11:47] <johny181> Any suggestions for me
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• 2060[18:23:37] <linuxconformer> why can't nginx read a file that i've 'ln -s'd from sites-available into sites-enabled?
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• 2066[18:30:05] <ratrace> linuxconformer: is it readable (permissions) to replaced-url
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• 2069[18:34:32] <linuxconformer> ratrace: yeah they're included in my nginx.conf file, and it works fine if i do "cp sites-available/server.conf sites-enabled", but "ln -s sites-available/server.conf sites-enabled" causes that error
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• 2072[18:40:44] <ratrace> linuxconformer: what error exactly?
• 2073[18:42:14] <ratrace> and exactly what commands did you use to create the symlink? what you wrote here doesn't look good, you need either absolute paths or relative to cwd from where you issue the command
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• 2075[18:42:36] <ratrace> (absolute paths are best)
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• 2081[18:50:26] <jhutchins> linuxconformer: I think there is a "follow symlinks" configuration, and it's usually set to "no" because it hurts performace to have to index linked trees.
• 2082[18:51:06] <linuxconformer> oh ok, thanks
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• 2085[18:51:15] <jhutchins> (There are also security implications.)
• 2086[18:51:29] <jhutchins> lithiumpt: That may not be the issue, but check the docs.
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• 2100[19:05:33] <ratrace> nah, the symlink is broken, it was created poorly
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• 2108[19:15:11] <jhutchins> a2ensite is the easy way to do it.
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• 2117[19:22:29] <ratrace> but that's apache2 package (and webserver, and ...) this is nginx.
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• 2119[19:24:03] <jelly> "cp sites-available/server.conf sites-enabled", but "ln -s sites-available/server.conf sites-enabled"
• 2120[19:24:04] <ratrace> really the only secret is to use absolute paths. `ln -s sites-available/foo sites-enabled` literally like this? will create a broken symlink inside sites-enabled.
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• 2122[19:24:22] <jelly> the first would result in a valid copy; the second would not result in a working link
• 2123[19:24:45] <jelly> ln -s ../sites-available/server.conf sites-enabled
• 2124[19:24:59] <ratrace> or even better ..... absolute paths.
• 2125[19:25:08] <jelly> no, fuck absolute paths
• 2126[19:25:16] <jelly> those are evil and bad
• 2127[19:25:18] <ratrace> no fuck relative ones. explicit > implicit
• 2128[19:25:38] <jelly> may you never use chroots
• 2129[19:25:52] <jelly> or have to mount stuff from another system
• 2130[19:26:04] <ratrace> I never do, they're garbage. I use proper mandatory access control, namespaces and seccomp filtering
• 2131[19:26:16] <ratrace> 1980s called. they asked openbsd if they could return the chroots. :)
• 2132[19:26:25] <jelly> symlinks to absolute paths are evil
• 2133[19:26:39] <ratrace> no they're not. they're explicit, and not subjec to interpretation
• 2134[19:27:09] <jelly> not more and not less interpretation gets done
• 2135[19:27:28] <jelly> and htey get to be broken on more contexts than relative ones
• 2136[19:27:55] <ratrace> ...... at any rate ...... what was given by the OP who's apparently gone now, and this figh is totally pointless.... their command was wrong. at least we can agree on that :)
• 2137[19:28:03] <jelly> sure
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• 2139[19:28:53] <ratrace> and btw I agree, there's cases where relative symlinks are useful.
• 2140[19:29:00] <ratrace> (this ain't one of 'em)
• 2141[19:29:05] <jelly> as if solving someone's issues could stand in the way of a good argument
• 2142[19:29:20] <ratrace> pfffft, right? :)
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• 2171[19:54:42] <Datz> hi, I was updating from debian 9 to 10. going through the process I decided to look at some differences in config files. Apparently I exited incorrectly and I'm stuck with an non-updating blue terminal. What do?
• 2172[19:55:30] <jelly> Datz, can you open a new shell from somewhere
• 2173[19:55:34] <Datz> When I try "apt upgrade" again I get Could not get lock
• 2174[19:55:42] <Datz> yes, I'm back in another terminal
• 2175[19:56:07] <deeplogic> kill the other shell
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• 2177[19:56:17] <jelly> no, don't do that
• 2178[19:56:31] <deeplogic> no, don't do that
• 2179[19:56:33] <Datz> (phone call)
• 2180[19:56:57] <deeplogic> ... but first ....
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• 2182[19:57:10] <jelly> Datz, find the old running apt or apt-get process, what have you. Don't kill it. Look at its process tree, and find the leaf debconf process
• 2183[19:57:23] <jelly> probably a whiptail or dialog
• 2184[19:57:50] <deeplogic> and KILL it ?
• 2185[19:58:01] <jelly> you really love to kill things don't you
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• 2187[19:58:33] <jelly> Datz, pastebin the pstree of apt if you can
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• 2189[19:59:59] <rander2> hello all
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• 2194[20:01:36] <deeplogic> i had a pastebin-like site in the year 2004, i made $6500 form google ads
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• 2197[20:02:41] <deeplogic> php even, today i couldn't print hbello world with php
• 2198[20:04:21] <deeplogic> sadly, i lost the source Luke
• 2199[20:04:23] <rander2> I cannot to connect to the net with wifi, wlan0 is active, but on right top of the screen I read wi-fi is disables
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• 2201[20:05:19] <deeplogic> which distro are you using ?
• 2202[20:05:55] <rander2> debian 10 buster xfce4
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• 2204[20:06:27] <deeplogic> lspci will show you the wifi chip you have
• 2205[20:07:04] <rander2> the chip go, the problem is about networkmanager or similar
• 2206[20:07:10] <deeplogic> i had to find and compile the source code for my wifi chip
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• 2208[20:08:27] <rander2> replaced-url
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• 2210[20:09:43] <Datz> jelly: How do I get the pstree of apt to pastebin for you?
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• 2212[20:10:30] <rander2> deeplogic, wifi , go it's a network problem
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• 2216[20:11:36] <rander2> replaced-url
• 2217[20:12:26] <rander2> as u can see the chip set is a common atheros AR9485
• 2218[20:12:33] <deeplogic> the AR9485 isn't a newer chip
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• 2220[20:12:37] <deeplogic> right
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• 2224[20:13:28] <rander2> Basically I used for many time the netboot with tethering android, today I wanted to connect to the wifi, but nothing
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• 2227[20:14:26] <Datz> jelly: replaced-url
• 2228[20:14:31] <Datz> not sure if it's still running
• 2229[20:14:44] <Datz> probably running under root though..
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• 2231[20:16:06] <rander2> --forest , what strange option. It is like pstree
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• 2236[20:18:46] <Datz> This probably has relevant information replaced-url
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• 2241[20:20:05] <Datz> So, I lost terminal during a update^
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• 2247[20:23:16] <jhutchins> rander2: Are you using the netboot with the non-free firmware included?
• 2248[20:23:19] <rander2> I had wifi disabled, sorry
• 2249[20:23:30] <jhutchins> That'll do it.
• 2250[20:25:42] <rander2> netboot is a type of installation with a little image, and after the system download all from repository. At the end become updated as a normal installation
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• 2254[20:27:07] <rander2> it's useful for who have a fast net connection, at least 5 or 10 M/sec
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• 2258[20:30:31] <jhutchins> rander2: Yes, I've been using it for decades.
• 2259[20:31:09] <Datz> jelly: you there?
• 2260[20:31:27] <jhutchins> rander2: It's useful on slow connections too, because you don't download as much.
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• 2262[20:33:31] <jhutchins> Datz: What do you want to do?
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• 2264[20:34:01] <Datz> I lost terminal during update. looks like it's still running. Just want to restart my update
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• 2266[20:34:20] <greycat> if you didn't run the update inside tmux or screen, you cannot return to it.
• 2267[20:34:31] <Datz> so just kill the process?
• 2268[20:34:41] <greycat> if you *did* use tmux or screen, just reattach to that. otherwise, yeah, kill apt and wait for all its children to die off.
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• 2270[20:34:50] <Datz> ok
• 2271[20:34:52] <jhutchins> Ok, pkill apt, make sure the processes stop, and run apt -f upgrade
• 2272[20:35:07] <Datz> started a screen session for it.. then exited and started the upgrade :(
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• 2274[20:35:10] <Datz> loll
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• 2276[20:35:15] <jhutchins> Datz: You may find ps -aux more useful.
• 2277[20:35:23] <Datz> ok
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• 2281[20:37:28] <jhutchins> The initial call to customer service got a decent guy who took notes to file the property damage complaint, but the seond one was "I can't do anything, that's too bad". (I must say she handled an irate customer very professionally, I've been in that situation when you know the customer is right but you can't do anything about it. You might try --reinstall (Check the apt manpage for syntax.)
• 2282[20:37:29] <rander2> gparted see the disk as a unique ZFS partition, instead I have 2 ext4 and 1 swap
• 2283[20:37:45] <jhutchins> Sorry, trackpad fun.
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• 2286[20:38:28] <Datz> I'll have a look
• 2287[20:38:55] <jhutchins> Datz: It looks a lot like it got hung in the samba post-install script. That might take some extra work, and that's what was suggesting --reinstall for.
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• 2293[20:40:15] <Datz> ok, thanks
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• 2297[20:43:13] <Datz> sudo dpkg --configure -a took me back to samba config/install it looks
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• 2299[20:43:53] <Datz> in screen session this time at least
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• 2302[20:45:40] <rander2> why gparted see the disk as a unique zfs partition ?
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• 2311[20:49:36] <sney> probably has the wrong partition type set.
• 2312[20:50:10] <sney> if the system is working you don't need to change it, it doesn't affect the actual filesystem in any way aiui
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• 2315[20:53:47] <rander2> sney, yes but it's impossible make new partitions. I made it from cfdisk and mkfs.ext4
• 2316[20:54:08] <rander2> however it's a bug.
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• 2327[21:02:43] <slop> hi all <3
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• 2329[21:03:29] <slop> I found this interesting on an MX Linux install. With Screenfetch it shows - OS: Debian 10 buster
• 2330[21:03:51] <slop> Silly screenfetch.
• 2331[21:03:54] <greycat> Yes, they are evil. Like almost all derivatives.
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• 2333[21:04:24] <greycat> "let's make a derivative ... but then not support it ourselves! we'll just shovel all of the users to Debian support!"
• 2334[21:04:43] <slop> Which is absolute crap.
• 2335[21:04:57] <Mister00X> they are not all that way
• 2336[21:05:03] <jelly> ehh... it's relative crap
• 2337[21:05:25] <jelly> !mxlinux
• 2338[21:05:25] <dpkg> MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: replaced-url
• 2339[21:05:37] <slop> so do people feel like they are RUNNING debian!?
• 2340[21:05:54] <deeplogic> i knew it all along.. kill was the answer
• 2341[21:05:57] <jelly> slop, much like centos users having /etc/redhat-release, yes
• 2342[21:06:14] <slop> so odd, long story short Im deleting the virtualbox image of mx now
• 2343[21:06:21] <jelly> deeplogic, yes, but knowing WHY to kill makes the difference :-)
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• 2345[21:06:35] <deeplogic> :)
• 2346[21:07:31] <slop> I want to create a post at some point of how to get Citrix Workspace to work properly when using Debian. Not seeing much info out there that is... accurate or useful.
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• 2348[21:08:03] <slop> maybe back when it was posted it was accurate but in 2021, its much easier.
• 2349[21:08:38] <jelly> Datz, sorry. I was busy with paid work. The least intrusive way would have been to kill the leaf process (typically, debconf-related menu dialog one, those get confused after "opening a shell to examine the situation"), not apt
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• 2351[21:09:37] <jelly> Datz, that would let dpkg and apt continue onward; killing apt can make it really confused in the middle of a release upgrade with hundreds of half-installed packages
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• 2354[21:11:29] <slop> Im still warming up to dpkg honestly.
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• 2356[21:11:59] <slop> while apt is more memory intensive Im like but its APT!!!
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• 2376[21:28:40] <sway> When logging in to a Debian server via ssh, is there a way to show the 'motd' upon login ?
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• 2379[21:29:51] <greycat> look for PrintMotd in sshd_config(5)
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• 2381[21:30:22] <sway> greycat, I'll look. Thank you.
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• 2392[21:39:04] <Datz> jelly: interesting. thanks for the help!
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• 2444[22:27:09] <ratrace> gee I thought backports are supposed to be tested for breaking changes...
• 2445[22:27:36] <mo1991> hello all. I have a new LG laptop that works great running debian bullseye One issue, however, is that the hotkeys for the mute, vol+, vol- buttons "stick" - meaning repeat infinetly. It looks like users have fixed this issue by modifying or adding a config to /lib/udev/hwdb.d/60-keyboard.hwdb - I am unsure of how to do this though, as the hints in the 60-keyboard.hwdb file do not have an entry for LG or LG Electronics (assuming
• 2446[22:27:36] <mo1991> that the keyboard would be branded as LG). Can anyone help or point me in the right direction?
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• 2459[22:35:18] <ratrace> you know when after long day's work you wanna sit down and play some games in your windows VM and then a random Debian upgrade comes along and says Nope, you're not gonna play today. I break Qemu for you!
• 2460[22:35:56] <greycat> sounds like a bad day
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• 2462[22:36:14] <ratrace> no, the day was great until now.
• 2463[22:36:17] <OneLegend> gpu passthrough?
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• 2465[22:36:55] <ratrace> yes. and qemu upgraded in backports (which I needed because shite qemu in stable is buggy to hell and back), and now broke audio.
• 2466[22:37:15] <Gigglebyte> How do I determine the unused capacity of my flash drive? I unmounted the flash drive, remounted it, ran df, and now I get an error message indicating "can't find in /etc/fstab".
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• 2470[22:39:58] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: that's two wildly different issues you've presented
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• 2473[22:40:39] <ratrace> if you can't find the _remounted_ mountpoint in fstab, either update fstab or don't use the mountpoint for `mount` , use the device
• 2474[22:40:42] <Gigglebyte> ratrace> How would you determine the unused capacity of a flash drive?
• 2475[22:40:49] <ratrace> with df
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• 2477[22:41:08] <greycat> Mount it, then run df. If it doesn't mount, that's a separate issue.
• 2478[22:42:04] <Gigglebyte> greycat> Prior to posting in this forum, I mounted it, and ran df, but received an error message indicating "can't find in /etc/fstab". What do I do now?
• 2479[22:42:12] <greycat> Prove it.
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• 2484[22:47:12] <Gigglebyte> greycat> replaced-url
• 2485[22:48:01] <Poster> your mount command is incomplete, it needs to include the device in addition to the path
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• 2488[22:51:15] <Poster> If your flash drive has one partition and is say /dev/sdc, the command would be: mount /dev/sdc1 /media/pdq/IALD_2011
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• 2490[22:54:07] <Gigglebyte> Poster> I now get an error message indicating Permission denied
• 2491[22:54:28] <Gigglebyte> Poster> I am already in root with the su command.
• 2492[22:56:54] <SubOptimal> Maybe check the device/partition name first with `lsblk`.
• 2493[22:57:06] <Poster> Do you have something already mounted to /media/pdq/IALD_2011 ?
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• 2495[22:59:22] <Gigglebyte> Poster> Nope
• 2496[23:00:03] <Gigglebyte> And I already ran lsblk before running the df command. I ran mount /dev/sdb /media/pda/IALD_2011
• 2497[23:01:40] <jhutchins> !su
• 2498[23:01:40] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
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• 2501[23:03:03] <OneLegend> they even have a working dpkg bot in here?
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• 2503[23:03:12] <OneLegend> why I must be dreaming
• 2504[23:03:44] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: Use a : to terminate a name. Most clients will auto-complete the name and insert the :.
• 2505[23:04:06] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: This will trigger highlighting a message to that user in their client.
• 2506[23:04:28] <Gigglebyte> jhutchins> Please provide an example of a command as it relates to my task of mounting.
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• 2509[23:05:34] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: As root, having used su -, mount /dev/something /mnt/point (Having already created /mnt/point.)
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• 2514[23:06:49] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: fdisk -l or ls /dev to determine a device name.
• 2515[23:06:57] <Gigglebyte> jhutcins> The command that I used was mount /dev/sdb /media/pdq/IALD_2011
• 2516[23:07:18] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: dmesg will also show what device a USB stick was created as.
• 2517[23:07:58] <jhutchins> does /media/pdg/IALD_2011 exist?
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• 2520[23:09:59] <Gigglebyte> Gigglebyte> This is dmesg replaced-url
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• 2522[23:10:18] <Gigglebyte> jhutchings> Its pdq and not pdg.
• 2523[23:10:54] <Gigglebyte> Gigglebyte> This is dmesg replaced-url
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• 2525[23:12:03] <Gigglebyte> Well I was doing all this in hopes of hooking up a scanner, bu will leave the scanner for another day. I was trying to hookup a Canon LiDE 210, but can go to a copy store and do it the old fashion way, and have it scanned to disk. Still I would like to hookup my scanner.
• 2526[23:12:35] <mo1991> Can anyone tell me how to determine my laptop's keyboard Vendor and Mondel?
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• 2528[23:13:11] <mo1991> xinput only shows AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
• 2529[23:13:14] <karlpinc> mo1991: Try "lsusb", possibly as root.
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• 2532[23:14:43] <jhutchins> Try mount /dev/sdb1
• 2533[23:14:51] <jhutchins> (With the mount point)
• 2534[23:15:09] <jhutchins> Gigglebyte: Please use the correct format for addressing a user.
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• 2536[23:15:15] <ld> hi all
• 2537[23:15:23] <jhutchins> o/
• 2538[23:15:49] <mo1991> karlpinc - lsusb does not show the keyboard. It is a laptop keyboard, so I don't believe usb
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• 2541[23:16:55] <ld> mo1991: ls /dev/input/by-path/
• 2542[23:17:01] <ld> it's in there
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• 2545[23:18:05] <jhutchins> ld: lsusb and lspci don't show my laptop keyboard either, I believe keyboard and non-usb mouse are a different bus.
• 2546[23:18:13] <Gigglebyte> Thanks for all of your help.
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• 2548[23:18:54] <mo1991> ls /dev/input/by-path
• 2549[23:19:26] <mo1991> platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd
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• 2552[23:20:06] <mo1991> not sure what this means....
• 2553[23:20:48] <ld> thats your keyboard's device file
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• 2555[23:23:21] <mo1991> so how can I find out the Vendor / Model of the keyboard? I seem to need this in order to fix some not working hot keys.. Appreciate the help
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• 2558[23:24:32] <Gigglebyte> jhutchings: replaced-url
• 2559[23:24:41] <Gigglebyte> su - didn't help either.
• 2560[23:25:14] <Gigglebyte> How can something so simple get so messed up?
• 2561[23:25:50] <sney> mo1991: you can sometimes get it from 'lshw -c input' or from your xorg log, but if it still comes up as just "keybaord" you may need to disassemble the laptop and look at the p/n sticker on the keyboard backplate
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• 2565[23:26:32] <Gigglebyte> sdb is definitely the device name
• 2566[23:26:33] <karlpinc> mo1991: Based on that path, it "feels" like the keyboard is being driven by a uart. If so then the system may not have any information on the keyboard.
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• 2568[23:26:46] <mo1991> sney - I was hoping you wouldn't say the dissassemble part....
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• 2570[23:27:08] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Does the directory /mount/qdp/IALD_2011 exist?
• 2571[23:27:08] <mo1991> :}
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• 2575[23:27:50] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal: Did you mean /mount/pdq/IALD_2011 exist?
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• 2578[23:28:06] <Gigglebyte> You spelled my username backwards
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• 2580[23:28:38] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: A directory has to exist in order for the system to be able to mount something over it.
• 2581[23:28:39] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal: That directory existed before I umounted sdb
• 2582[23:29:06] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Does it exist now?
• 2583[23:29:12] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: That does not matter. The directory could be in what you mounted.
• 2584[23:29:28] <Gigglebyte> karlpinc: so how do you recommend I address my problem?
• 2585[23:30:09] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: I believe /mnt/pdq should be the mountpoint.
• 2586[23:30:11] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: I've not been paying attention to your problem. But I suggest you mount your usb filesystem on a directory that exists or you won't meet with success.
• 2587[23:30:42] <sney> mo1991: keyboard replacement is common for laptops, so unless it's a super-light or budget model, it's probably pretty easy to remove. If you're lucky the screws on the bottom will even be labeled with a little keyboard icon.
• 2588[23:31:31] <karlpinc> mo1991: Some laptops don't need disassembly to get to the keyboard. There's little 'tabs' across the top or bottom of the keyboard that are pressed to release the keyboard. Don't know how common this is.
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• 2592[23:32:25] <mo1991> sney - it's an LG ultra pc 17, which I think has the same keyboard as the LG gram 17. Nice laptop, sadly very little info online. Issue I have is that the mute, vol- and vol+ keys stick - as they do not have the "return" function when pressed. S
• 2593[23:32:32] <Gigglebyte> karlpinc> I am already in the pdq directory because I logged off, and logged back on using su -
• 2594[23:33:31] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: "su -" puts you in "/root". So I don't know what you're trying to communicate.
• 2595[23:33:37] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: You mean you are in /mnt/pdq ?
• 2596[23:33:52] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: "pwd" tells you your current directory.
• 2597[23:33:54] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal: yes
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• 2599[23:34:22] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Try mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/pdq
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• 2601[23:34:45] <Gigglebyte> replaced-url
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• 2604[23:35:20] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal> I get an error that mount point doesn't exist
• 2605[23:35:21] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Sorry. I meant try mount /dev/sdb1 /media/pdq
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• 2608[23:36:22] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal> I now get an error that special device sdb1 doesn't exist. This doesn't surprise me since sdb1 didn't show up with lsblk nor dmesg
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• 2610[23:36:34] <Gigglebyte> sdb is the correct device name.
• 2611[23:36:39] <mo1991> sney - for example, if I use showkey, it shows most keys giving a key number and a "release". The sound hotkeys only give the key # and no release, thus the keys stick like you are holding them down
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• 2613[23:37:16] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Then try mount /dev/sdb /mnt/pdq. The device name depends how the usb stick is formatted/partitioned.
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• 2615[23:37:45] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal> I get an error that mount point doesn't exist
• 2616[23:37:56] <sney> mo1991: ok. have you checked if the vendor has an EFI update? that can help with hotkey issues sometimes.
• 2617[23:38:14] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Run a `ls -ld /media/*`
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• 2620[23:39:08] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal: I don't see any problem replaced-url
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• 2624[23:39:26] <Gigglebyte> Permissions are there.
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• 2628[23:39:45] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: The directory to which a filesystem should be mounted must exist. Otherwise the mount fails with a meaningful error. "mount point does not exist".
• 2629[23:40:07] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Then /dev/sdb1 /media/ will work.
• 2630[23:40:11] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: Then /dev/sdb /media/ will work.
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• 2633[23:40:46] <Gigglebyte> SubOptimal> Are you recommending I create the directory?
• 2634[23:41:02] <Gigglebyte> Directory likely existed before being umounted.
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• 2636[23:41:50] <Gigglebyte> Let me restate the last sentence, "directory existed before the device was umounted"
• 2637[23:42:00] <SubOptimal> Gigglebyte: This might be (mkdir /media/pdq). If I'm not wrong below /media/$USER all the auto-mounted filesystems are created.
• 2638[23:42:01] <Gigglebyte> I umounted it because I was going to pull it out of my laptop.
• 2639[23:42:16] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: If a directory goes away when you unmount, that means the directory is part of the file system that was mounted.
• 2640[23:42:45] <karlpinc> Gigglebyte: And was not the top-level directory in the mounted file system.
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• 2642[23:43:18] <Gigglebyte> karlpinc> I get an error message can't create directory because the file exists.
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• 2644[23:43:38] <Gigglebyte> And I accidentally created a directory p because my manual dexterity isn't that great.
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• 2646[23:43:56] <Gigglebyte> but I fixed it.
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• 2648[23:44:19] <Gigglebyte> Well, at this point I think I should consult with someone who is involved with sorcery, or deep magic.
• 2649[23:45:12] <Gigglebyte> I will be back later, but need to go for now. If anyone can think of anything profound I should know about then please dmesg me on this network. Your help is much appreciated.
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