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0 [00:01:54] <HelloShitty> ok sney , thanks for helping out
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63 [01:18:23] <prg3> Hmm, looks like "cal" is no longer highlighting the date for me on my debian testing boxes. Anyone else on bullseye and want to see if "cal" highlights today for you?
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65 [01:20:03] <sney> confirmed
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67 [01:20:26] <sney> bullseye support is in #debian-next on oftc as per the topic (note, right now you are on freenode)
68 [01:20:28] <sney> ,file bin/cal
69 [01:20:36] <prg3> Thanks
70 [01:20:37] <judd> Search for bin/cal in buster/amd64: bsdmainutils: usr/bin/cal; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/cal
71 [01:21:08] <sney> aha, in buster 'cal' is from bsdmainutils but in bullseye it's from ncal. the change is probably somewhere in that transition
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74 [01:25:01] <twb> sney: oh thanks I didn't realize I joined on freenode by accident!
75 [01:25:02] <prg3> Aha; looks like its a known issue: replaced-url
76 [01:25:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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78 [01:25:20] <sney> np
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99 [01:47:11] <riff-IRC> hey \\Mr_C\\, didn't think you'd be idling here
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101 [01:50:10] <riff-IRC> so has anyone here gotten Debian running with a GUI on RISC-V?
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103 [01:55:13] <sney> I didn't think the hardware was really available yet
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106 [01:59:40] <ratrace> what was that helper tool mk-something something which generates a metapacakge for build dependencies so you can uninstall it and have all the build deps autoremoved....
107 [01:59:53] <ratrace> something helper.... deb helper .... build mk deb helper something blah....
108 [02:00:57] <quadrathoch2> mk-build-deps?
109 [02:01:16] <quadrathoch2> within devscripts?
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112 [02:02:09] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: yep that the one. THANKS!
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114 [02:02:46] <quadrathoch2> ratrace yw :)
115 [02:03:29] <ratrace> and holy fuzzycats the dependency list of devscripts! one hundred fifty three!
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155 [02:47:55] <TaZeR> unfortunatly it didnt work sudo su still asks for pw, my sudoers looks like this now: replaced-url
156 [02:48:00] <TaZeR> sorry wrong chan
157 [02:48:15] <sney> !sudo su
158 [02:48:15] <dpkg> Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su>
159 [02:48:52] <robobox> if only ubuntu and fedora didn't prevent people from being plain root!
160 [02:49:01] <unixbsd> wait today it is "su -"
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163 [02:51:52] <ratrace> su and sudo are two different paradigms. su -l and sudo -i both achieve the same, from two different angles
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167 [02:55:33] <Mr_Queue> sudo by default is pretty worthless..
168 [02:56:43] <robobox> also giving everyone sudo by defualt with just their user passwords and telling them not to use su which requires the root password is nightmarish for an admin
169 [02:56:48] <TaZeR> thats why im automating the process as much as possible, i just type up and igain auto root
170 [02:57:01] <robobox> (pre-2010 one, anyway)
171 [02:57:02] <TaZeR> no pw no fuss
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173 [02:57:37] <sney> it's a tool, it does what it's supposed to. but there's too many docs and posts framing it as the magic "give me what I want" button, and even developers/admins who should know better are living in 2021 with a crappy understanding of *nix privilege separation
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178 [03:00:47] <Mr_Queue> I actually have a shell function to strip sudo from all the copy/paste stuff I find to install stuff..
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180 [03:01:48] <phogg> that's a terribly good idea
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182 [03:02:51] <ratrace> that could also accidentaly backfire
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184 [03:03:17] <phogg> at least it will backfire as an unprivileged user
185 [03:04:05] <ratrace> that's actually the fire that's backing up. sudo is used for more than just elevating to root
186 [03:04:20] <ratrace> it's often used to change to another unprivileged, or even less privileged, user
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193 [03:07:19] <riff-IRC> sney: replaced-url
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206 [03:16:35] <asenm> Hello, folks! I have the following errors in dmesg [ 8277.175241] Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 0 [ 8277.186081] end_request: I/O error, dev mtdblock0, sector 0 [ 8277.191689] FAT-fs (mtdblock0): unable to read boot sector however i don't see this device being mounted ... mount output here: replaced-url
207 [03:16:35] <asenm> lsblk output here:replaced-url
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212 [03:19:22] <quadrathoch2> asenm did you use badblocks to see if you got bad blocks?
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214 [03:19:42] <asenm> quadrathoch2 not really didnt know i can do that
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218 [03:22:10] <asenm> quadrathoch2 replaced-url
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221 [03:23:03] <quadrathoch2> asenm are thos all the ones it found?
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232 [03:31:05] <sney> riff-IRC: ahh, cool. anyway, it looks like the debian-specific resources are here: replaced-url
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237 [03:34:27] <riff-IRC> yep, have had a look at that
238 [03:35:08] <riff-IRC> from how I'm interpreting that, it seems that Debian is only able to come up to a console on it
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240 [03:36:18] <sney> that's what's documented on that page, though it's been over a year since the last entry, so you should look at the linked mailing list and specific channel to find out the current status
241 [03:36:24] <riff-IRC> ok
242 [03:36:31] <sney> in any case, a general support channel like #debian is unlikely to have much for you.
243 [03:36:36] <riff-IRC> ok
244 [03:37:07] <riff-IRC> I would order one to play with, but I don't have $700 of money that I'm willing to burn at a moment's notice
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249 [03:38:16] <sney> nod, there's often a barrier like that for early adoption. it's exciting stuff though. I'm hoping to pick up something risc-v before long.
250 [03:39:00] <riff-IRC> yeah, it's likely not gonna be long before ARM/RISC-V begin competing against x86_64 in the desktop world
251 [03:39:08] <riff-IRC> s/begin/begins
252 [03:40:51] <riff-IRC> saw one article where a company got an experimental RISC-V CPU running at 5GHz clock speed, drawing only 1W of power at 1.1V core voltage
253 [03:41:17] <riff-IRC> not sure if it had any load on it when those measurements were taken or if it was just idling
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257 [03:43:16] <sney> I think I saw that one too. I try not to take stuff like that too seriously, since development boards with who-knows-what special optimizations are not really reflective of real world performance. it'll be interesting to see.
258 [03:43:24] <riff-IRC> yep
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260 [03:44:00] <riff-IRC> ARM is demolishing Intel in the server market, and AMD has some serious competition as a result
261 [03:44:58] <asenm> How can i check where this is [ 32.556547] imx2-wdt 20bc000.wdog: Unexpected close: Expect reboot! coming?
262 [03:45:00] <riff-IRC> and that's trickling down from the server market to the consumer market, leading AMD to continue to make massive performance leaps (and blow Intel away at the price/performance/heat/power ratio)
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267 [03:46:45] <quadrathoch2> riff-IRC I thought it was really interesting (the 5ghz cpu) but sadly they removed alot of functions out of the package (for example the cpu couldn't divide)
268 [03:47:06] <sney> asenm: it looks like imx2-wdt is a watchdog driver, with some info here: replaced-url
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270 [03:47:59] <asenm> sney exactly its watchdog, but i don't know how to figure out what is doing
271 [03:47:59] <riff-IRC> quadrathoch2: oh, so pretty useless then... likely just a PoC demonstrating that they can A) get a working CPU B) It's capable of sustaining high clock speeds C) it doesn't require a nuclear reactor to operate
272 [03:48:18] <riff-IRC> Intel's 11th gen is only good for laughing at- 3-8% performance gains in a single-core synthetic test for 15W+ TDP increase
273 [03:48:25] <riff-IRC> er, 150W
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275 [03:48:41] <quadrathoch2> i mean still impressive, but real world usage :/
276 [03:49:00] <riff-IRC> yeah
277 [03:49:19] <quadrathoch2> and wasn't it some milliwatts? not 1w
278 [03:49:22] <quadrathoch2> can't remember
279 [03:49:40] <quadrathoch2> i don't know why they would remove divide :/ i guess it was too costly
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281 [03:50:00] <riff-IRC> So of all the stuff they removed, it was to cripple the ALU?
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283 [03:50:18] <riff-IRC> Lemme rephrase that
284 [03:50:33] <riff-IRC> So of all the stuff they did, they decided to cripple the ALU?
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288 [03:54:22] <quadrathoch2> riff-IRC i don't understand it either
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296 [03:57:50] <riff-IRC> yeah, I'd like to see real-world performance
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298 [03:58:45] <quadrathoch2> riff-IRC but what I even hope for more is that wd and seagate contribute back
299 [03:59:18] <quadrathoch2> oh and alibaba
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301 [03:59:38] <riff-IRC> such as watching some YouTube in 1080p60 in one window, HexChat in another window, connected using a common USB WiFi adapter, copying some files between 2 external HDDs, all with an AMD RX580 card attached. On a popular Linux-based OS.
302 [04:00:43] <quadrathoch2> riff-IRC sadly that will still take awhile. i could see bigger jumps _if_ alibaba returns the favor of sharing their improvements (as they want to use them in the cloud) but who knows :/
303 [04:00:57] * riff-IRC nods
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402 [06:28:25] <mehwork> In the past, i used to put `C-_:unix-filename-rubout` in ~/.inputrc so i could type ctrl+/ to delete to the last / on a line. But it's not working on my new debian 10 box. Any idea why?
403 [06:28:53] <mehwork> i did switch to using zsh as my shell so maybe that's interfering
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472 [08:15:54] <rotaticus> apt-file ... then learn how search works ... then try apt-file search netstat
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477 [08:19:06] <rk4> yay for not spoon feeding
478 [08:19:44] <rotaticus> i just learned ...
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503 [08:46:29] <EdePopede> doesn't debian support locale settings for individual users? must everything be done with system files in /etc?
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506 [08:47:02] <EdePopede> or are there packages to install before things become localized?
507 [08:47:32] <EdePopede> gcal still starts with sunday and is in english, ls errors also.
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509 [08:48:40] <EdePopede> `locale` has updated values after changing LANG, only LANGUAGE is still "en_US:en" (which looks odd and was different from the rest) but there's no effect.
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515 [08:56:06] <EdePopede> srsly, google sucks. as usual, even asking explicitely for debian, it starts with a result for ubuntu. 3rd entry: replaced-url
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517 [08:56:52] <EdePopede> which is a pretty chaotic article.
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528 [09:18:47] <unixbsd> Well, Ubuntu replaces many Debian places in development.
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530 [09:19:40] <unixbsd> By dint of trying, 5G will come up with ads. It is ads that rules. Same, for Google, since Linux is into the hands of Google. Nothing good can results. Look the dev of debian? Systemd why? no real reason.
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535 [09:23:39] <Haohmaru> what's going on here?
536 [09:23:52] <EdePopede> well, google is owned by an insanely rich guy, ubuntu is owned by an insanely rich guy. i'm not surprised google prefers ubuntu over debian.
537 [09:24:05] <EdePopede> and tbh, the debian wiki is a real usability desaster.
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539 [09:24:51] <EdePopede> just tested the welcome message on the german startpage (en: is totally different). 226 characters in the 1st line.
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543 [09:26:13] <EdePopede> was looking into replaced-url
544 [09:26:48] <dupin> hi! xfce4-weather-plugin doesn´t work in debian stable is it just me or someone else have same issue
545 [09:27:03] <EdePopede> ouch. what looks like maybe <h6> really is just bold text as i was expecting.
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548 [09:28:24] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: new day, new issues :) (and all the left ones from yesteryear)
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550 [09:29:43] <unixbsd> Well, the problem is that Google endanger the future of Debian, based on Linux. Is big companies are involved, we know the next stop. Skynet ;)
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554 [09:33:39] <EdePopede> debian uses linux, i wouldn't say it's based on it.
555 [09:34:35] <unixbsd> If debian would run on a cleaner BSD kernel, why not then?
556 [09:34:59] <azeem> EdePopede: what do you mean "google prefers ubuntu over debian", they switched back to Debian for their in-house distribution a couple of years ago
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558 [09:35:28] <EdePopede> azeem: internally maybe, but search results are clearly against debian
559 [09:35:37] <azeem> oh, it was about search results
560 [09:36:04] <azeem> can't argue with the algorithm[tm]
561 [09:36:07] <EdePopede> may be they have some internal ranking, and then i really wouldn't be surprized, other wikis are often better than debian's :(
562 [09:36:57] <EdePopede> but good to know, google should have good arguments when switching its base.
563 [09:37:43] <EdePopede> *fp* replaced-url
564 [09:37:53] <dupin> maybe next time until then bye
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566 [09:38:02] <EdePopede> another useless use of webspace
567 [09:39:06] <unixbsd> In stable, there are problems with supertuxkart and ioquake3. I just recompiled myself from source. it works. Both packages need to be remade for stable and testing debian. segmentation fault or problem with GL.
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569 [09:41:23] <EdePopede> debian ain't a rolling distro, so maybe don't expect a new version for stable soon.
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579 [09:48:25] <Haohmaru> who even uses google websearch
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581 [09:49:12] <azeem> my new year's resolution (besides drinking a bit less) was switching from google to duck-duck-go in Firefox
582 [09:50:11] <quadrathoch2> azeem just as a headsup, you need to change the way you search. I did the switch about 5 years ago
583 [09:50:52] <jelly> my resolution was 3840x2160
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585 [09:51:07] <jelly> and drinking MORE
586 [09:51:17] <Haohmaru> mine is 1080x1920
587 [09:51:51] <jelly> you must like that Friends episode
588 [09:51:59] <jelly> PIVOT
589 [09:53:09] <Haohmaru> in .bg, they don't say the names of the episodes
590 [09:53:30] <Haohmaru> it's dubbed
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592 [09:54:11] <jelly> it was all subbed in .hr (and previously in .yu)
593 [09:54:19] <Haohmaru> my firefox needs to be slapped
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595 [09:55:23] <jelly> helped learning English quite a bit. Does ddg have logical AND, OR, NOT in search syntax? Google seems to have dropped it years ago
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597 [09:56:21] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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599 [09:58:44] <jelly> in short, "no"
600 [09:59:25] <Haohmaru> therefore you will receive compensation
601 [09:59:34] * Haohmaru adds moar +cats to jelly's search
602 [09:59:59] <n4dir> "drinking more" "helped learning English quite a bit". the net sure is weird
603 [10:00:19] <Haohmaru> i assume he means drinking more water
604 [10:00:30] <n4dir> blasphemy !
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606 [10:01:12] <Haohmaru> i haven't drank water today
607 [10:01:19] <Haohmaru> just some pepsi
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612 [10:07:03] <inode64> Does anyone know how to supress these alerts from munin/munin-node? During periods of high load, this happens once a day, I do not need *these* emails but I want other WARNING/CRITICAL ones: CRITICALs: munin graph is 312.52 (outside range [:285])
613 [10:07:25] <rk4> EdePopede: does replaced-url
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615 [10:07:32] <rk4> which i think is equiv to binging
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617 [10:10:39] <EdePopede> heh yes, didn't see this one. maybe DDG is really a better choice for Debian. stat collectors to the arms!
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619 [10:11:53] <EdePopede> yay, ls at least is localized now
620 [10:13:01] <EdePopede> and so ist gcal, uses columns now with localized long names instead of rows with short english names. only still starting on sundays :)
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629 [10:20:22] <Haohmaru> hey. my calendar also begins on sunday, how do i change that
630 [10:20:36] <jelly> n4dir, the subtitles helped, not the drinking. Well the drinking helped indirectly as well.
631 [10:20:50] <jelly> Haohmaru, which tool are you using for the calendar
632 [10:20:53] <n4dir> :-) just kidding.
633 [10:21:17] <n4dir> i started learning English with subtitles too, btw. Great way to learn a language.
634 [10:21:19] <Haohmaru> jelly no idea, it's from lxpanel "Digital Clock"
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636 [10:22:33] <jelly> Haohmaru, and does your locale have a week starting on Sunday or Monday or what?
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638 [10:23:26] <Haohmaru> no idea
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640 [10:24:16] <Haohmaru> i use english coz i cannot deal with computers in my native language, that's just wrong
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644 [10:25:39] <jelly> Haohmaru, pick an en_* locale that has weeks starting on Mon, at least for LC_TIME, and hope your tool looks at that
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646 [10:25:57] <rotaticus> i'd like to have a holocene calender displayed or a discordian
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650 [10:26:53] <jelly> Haohmaru, eg. less /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_GB ---> first_weekday 2
651 [10:27:17] <Haohmaru> is that a command?
652 [10:27:26] <jelly> less is a command.
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655 [10:27:54] <jelly> for looking at text files. That was an instruction on how to find a suitable locale.
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659 [10:28:09] <jelly> so presumably en_GB.UTF-8 would have weeks starting on Monday
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663 [10:31:43] <Haohmaru> how do i close this thing now :~(
664 [10:31:55] <n4dir> q
665 [10:32:11] <n4dir> with the key "q". Like quite
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669 [10:33:51] <brigand> $ grep abday /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_GB
670 [10:33:51] <brigand> abday "Sun";"Mon";"Tue";"Wed";"Thu";"Fri";"Sat"
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672 [10:34:56] <brigand> hm, de_DE seems similar
673 [10:35:21] <pasiz> brigand: all seems similar, first_weekday tells what day starts the week in locale
674 [10:35:27] <brigand> but en_US doesn't mention "first" or "week"
675 [10:35:41] <pasiz> first_weekday is default to 1
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677 [10:36:17] <brigand> oh, i see. thanks
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680 [10:37:12] <EdePopede> abday "<U0053><U0075><U006E>";"<U004D><U006F><U006E>";/
681 [10:37:17] <EdePopede> err.. what?!
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683 [10:38:00] <EdePopede> i thought they defined sunday as either 0 or 7
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685 [10:38:57] <Haohmaru> those are exotic chars
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687 [10:39:21] <Haohmaru> in bg_BG first_weekday is 2
688 [10:40:05] <EdePopede> no idea why, maybe because oldstable? could check the other one
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708 [11:04:23] <EdePopede> coda: man 5 locale. there the notes and the list above it. it's all odd.
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719 [11:11:08] <jelly> EdePopede, printf '\u0053\u0075\u006E ; \u004D\u006F\u006E\n'
720 [11:11:37] <brigand> cool
721 [11:12:46] <NetTerminalGene> guys, didn't buster come with gimp by default? with default installer (the iso you download from the main page) (and choosing gnome in installing stage)
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723 [11:13:22] <netcrash> I had to install.
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726 [11:16:03] <EdePopede> jelly: why may they have used this notation?
727 [11:16:46] <EdePopede> and then it's only the first 2 entries. no idea if using all days in en_GB is necessary, really have to dig into it
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732 [11:24:27] <quadrathoch2> NetTerminalGene no, that was in the past
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735 [11:25:07] <NetTerminalGene> quadrathoch2: that's great
736 [11:25:19] <NetTerminalGene> i like this way
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746 [11:31:00] <brigand> NetTerminalGene: gimp, gimp-data and libgimp are on dvd1
747 [11:31:32] <BCMM> you can check by looking at the deps of replaced-url
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758 [11:50:52] <EdePopede> i would really like to see an interactive graph visualization of the deps.
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764 [11:58:18] <tarzeau> EdePopede: something like replaced-url
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767 [12:00:25] <EdePopede> tarzeau: no, that's the classic debtree/dot powerteam. replaced aptitude here, the only reason i would have kept it would have been using dependency trees during decisions. but opening this tab crashed it xD
768 [12:00:51] <EdePopede> what i meant is the model they use to visualize social dependencies.
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770 [12:01:53] <EdePopede> replaced-url
771 [12:02:15] <EdePopede> where you can zoom and grab nodes and follow a path
772 [12:03:16] <EdePopede> disadvantage: their httpd throws a 500 :D
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812 [12:30:25] <tmm88> i am having trouble setting up wifi drivers
813 [12:30:33] <tmm88> when i install debian buster 10
814 [12:30:49] <tmm88> i am running on an acer predator helios 300
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816 [12:31:31] <quadrathoch2> tmm88 and what issues do you have?
817 [12:31:43] <piotr_> I wonder why on Debian EVERYTHING by default must work always a bit different
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819 [12:32:00] <tmm88> i already installed broadcom driver
820 [12:32:09] <Filystyn> just to shovel you dirt in cogs and waste your time
821 [12:32:11] <tmm88> and ran mobprob
822 [12:32:43] <tmm88> modprob i mean
823 [12:33:05] <tmm88> but the icon for the wifi interface
824 [12:33:07] <NetTerminalGene> i installed a qt kde app on my gnome but apps theme isn't look good. which package should i install?
825 [12:33:09] <quadrathoch2> Filystyn what do you mean?
826 [12:33:11] <tmm88> is not showing up
827 [12:33:38] <quadrathoch2> does the mod load (and used)? tmm88
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829 [12:34:07] <tmm88> i ran it with sudo command apparently yes but no wifi icon
830 [12:34:07] <Filystyn> everything. Popular soft? We have our own default config
831 [12:34:24] <Filystyn> Just so ebery basic info on net be garbage unless it's debian
832 [12:34:36] <quadrathoch2> tmm88 can you please post your output of lsmod to paste.debian.net
833 [12:35:09] <quadrathoch2> NetTerminalGene you would need to configure your qt app to adjust to the gtk theme
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835 [12:35:49] <quadrathoch2> Filystyn so? i mean the maintainers think the default should be different. (but honestly didn't find too many which were so different)
836 [12:36:56] <tmm88> replaced-url
837 [12:37:11] <tmm88> quadrathoch2: here you have
838 [12:37:28] <Filystyn> so that
839 [12:37:52] <Filystyn> I can complain? I am not the one who chosen this debian
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841 [12:38:16] <tmm88> debian is not a piece of cake system
842 [12:38:31] <tmm88> its difficulty threshold is somewhere between ubuntu and arch
843 [12:38:37] <quadrathoch2> tmm88 which wifi device do you have (the module is loaded, but not claimed)
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845 [12:39:05] <tmm88> so if you are complaining about debian install ubuntu and if debian is not enough for you go for arch
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847 [12:39:51] <Filystyn> I don't use debian at all
848 [12:40:24] <Filystyn> But I am kind of left to use it as server. Fucking providers
849 [12:40:41] <quadrathoch2> !language
850 [12:40:41] <dpkg> it has been said that language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <kali> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
851 [12:40:58] <quadrathoch2> and this is a support channel not complain channel :p
852 [12:41:00] <pasiz> tmm88: in install phase or after install
853 [12:41:03] <tmm88> 00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] (rev 10)
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855 [12:41:15] <pasiz> tmm88: did you grab install media with non free firmwares
856 [12:41:25] <quadrathoch2> tmm88 and why would you install the broadcom driver then?
857 [12:41:39] <tmm88> i also tried non free
858 [12:41:46] <pasiz> quadrathoch2: i think that's missing firmware problem
859 [12:41:48] <tmm88> but it didn't install all the drivers
860 [12:41:54] <tmm88> let me try it again
861 [12:42:16] <quadrathoch2> pasiz he came in here and said he installed the broadcom driver because of wifi... idk, intel is not broadcom I know that
862 [12:42:33] <tmm88> i have it install
863 [12:42:34] <pasiz> tmm88: so did you initiate install via unofficial non-free image
864 [12:42:35] <quadrathoch2> tmm88 you need to upgrade the kernel to the buster-backports one + firmware-iwlwifi
865 [12:43:11] <tmm88> i already upgraded the kernel
866 [12:43:19] <tmm88> let me try this firmware
867 [12:43:26] <quadrathoch2> use the one from backports
868 [12:43:40] <pasiz> tmm88: when installing to laptop, i would suggest using: replaced-url
869 [12:43:54] <pasiz> so you have your wifi up in install phase too
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871 [12:44:52] <tmm88> i already installed it correctly
872 [12:44:57] <quadrathoch2> pasiz doesn't help, as his wifi card is too new
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874 [12:45:27] <tmm88> so now how shall i activate the driver
875 [12:45:31] <tmm88> using modprob
876 [12:46:24] <quadrathoch2> modprobe iwlwifi, but that's already loaded
877 [12:46:57] <nkuttler> does the policy document the usage of /bin /sbin as symlinks somewhere?
878 [12:47:28] <tmm88> i already did it
879 [12:47:40] <tmm88> so now logging out and trying to connect right
880 [12:47:41] <tmm88> ?
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883 [12:49:17] <quadrathoch2> nkuttler i guess you would find that in the FHS
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887 [12:49:59] <tmm88> heyho
888 [12:50:15] <tmm88> how are you all alligator sprankenstein ubber ubber alligator
889 [12:50:15] <tmm88> ?
890 [12:50:26] <pasiz> ??
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893 [12:50:35] <pasiz> tmm88: did you get it work
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903 [12:51:34] <pasiz> tmm88: you get intels own firmware for your card at: replaced-url
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930 [13:30:48] <Filystyn> The crap is beyondme
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932 [13:31:05] <Filystyn> apt installs soft and then the soft tells me it needs packet to work
933 [13:31:18] <Filystyn> So I look for it and it's only to get as dependency.
934 [13:31:33] <Filystyn> But nononoonono not just and works. 1/5 worked
935 [13:31:39] <ratrace> what?
936 [13:31:46] <Filystyn> any** not and
937 [13:31:52] <ratrace> what's "soft"?
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939 [13:32:20] <Filystyn> Trying to make php work on apache. Simply stupid apache + php
940 [13:32:29] <nkuttler> !errors
941 [13:32:29] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
942 [13:32:32] <Filystyn> nothing more. apachectl told me I need replaced-url
943 [13:32:46] <Filystyn> dillo netsurf, and few other *have it* but only the lynx one worked
944 [13:32:47] <ratrace> Filystyn: perhaps you should go back to square one and nice and slow explain exactly what you're doing and what's erroring and how.
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946 [13:33:09] <Filystyn> how sick and fucked up it is is beyondme
947 [13:33:20] <Filystyn> How you can call this automated installation
948 [13:33:27] <ratrace> are you a chatbot?
949 [13:33:40] <Filystyn> Don't call that crap good system just it's popular
950 [13:33:43] <nkuttler> if you don't want help you can go to #debian-offtopic
951 [13:33:46] <Filystyn> IM DONE
952 [13:33:48] <ratrace> chatbot.
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954 [13:33:53] <nkuttler> !next
955 [13:33:53] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
956 [13:33:56] <ratrace> heh
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958 [13:34:42] <ratrace> maybe they should've just apt install ubuntu :)
959 [13:34:52] <nkuttler> or not use php
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961 [13:35:46] <ratrace> ideally no. but if they must ..... nginx + php_fpm is hugely better option.
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963 [13:37:59] <ScribusP> i am still not over this problem on windows 10, that you cant assign hotkeys that switch to whatever workspace you like
964 [13:38:38] <ratrace> ScribusP: and you're definitely in the wrong channel for that problem.
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966 [13:39:05] <ScribusP> no, no. this channel kind of helps by providing an alternative operating system where these hotkeys work
967 [13:39:19] <ratrace> we can only answer to debian specific issues.
968 [13:39:53] <ScribusP> you send users away and sometimes they bounce back
969 [13:40:16] <ratrace> and then they get permabanned.
970 [13:40:31] <ScribusP> if thats your only solution
971 [13:41:11] <ratrace> for people who insist on offtopic, unrelated to debian, talk, despite being warned and "sent away", so they come back and persist? yup.
972 [13:41:22] <ScribusP> you seem to fail to understand what i am actually saying
973 [13:41:23] <ScribusP> lets stop
974 [13:41:25] <ratrace> so anyway. do you have a debian issue someone here can help with?
975 [13:41:31] <ScribusP> forget it
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978 [13:44:23] <ScribusP> small (and last) side note for my log: this guy is an unaffiliated user, not a developer and not a channel moderator
979 [13:45:00] <ratrace> lol
980 [13:45:25] <ratrace> you don't know if I am or am not a debian contributor. I don't affilate myself on IRC with any project
981 [13:45:39] <ScribusP> no more comments from my side
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983 [13:45:57] <ratrace> awesome.
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985 [13:48:56] * RadoS sighs.
986 [13:49:26] * RadoS ... o O ( why can't all people not simply get along?! ;-) )
987 [13:49:47] <ScribusP> because of the 16 core personalities
988 [13:50:36] <RadoS> They're fine, you just have to know how to rub them in the right direction. ;-)
989 [13:51:00] <ScribusP> the right direction for most linux people is "MY DAMN WAY"
990 [13:51:46] <RadoS> To outsiders this may appear so, but in fact it's often "the efficient/ effective" way.
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992 [13:51:58] <RadoS> ... and much depends on mood of the day.
993 [13:52:23] <ScribusP> you would be stunned how creative people get to claim their ways
994 [13:52:48] <ScribusP> some would sit on a chat room and wait for the right moment to talk bad about other users
995 [13:52:56] <ratrace> So the takeway here is that ScribusP has no debian issue, and just wants to complain about #debian not answering to their demands to support their Windows 10?
996 [13:53:12] <ScribusP> or take this ratrace person
997 [13:53:12] <RadoS> In your case you wanted to be funny, but the "joke" didn't arrive well.
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999 [13:54:13] <ScribusP> he tries 2-3 times to trigger a cyber cop to get me in trouble instead of fixing his ego problem
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1001 [13:54:31] <ratrace> lol not at all, if I were trying to trigger a cyber cop, I'd do this:
1002 [13:54:36] <ratrace> !ops ScribusP wants your attention
1003 [13:54:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ratrace complains about a problem (see above)
1004 [13:54:55] <ScribusP> yeah, like wanting attention would be anything bad *clue*
1005 [13:54:58] * RadoS ... o O ( hmm, good to know. :-) )
1006 [13:55:47] <ScribusP> ratrace: your lack of emotional intelligence is disgusting
1007 [13:56:43] <RadoS> Hmm... maybe it's no lack but choice not to apply it?
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1011 [13:57:22] <ScribusP> RadoS: you liked how he pointed at the rules and that made you join is side?
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1013 [13:57:30] <ScribusP> is/his
1014 [13:57:40] <ScribusP> but no clue whats going on?
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1017 [13:59:30] <ratrace> perhaps we should go back to Debian support now. if you have an issue with debian, please describe it, we'd be happy to help.
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1020 [13:59:58] <ScribusP> indeed, one of the best punishments is when you leave the rule nazis on their own
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1071 [14:54:58] <idl0r> hey, i need libpthread.so with debug symbols. i tried to install libc6-dbg but that doesn't ship the library and the debug info it provides, doesn't seem to be sufficient, at least gdb can't find any useful symbols. any ideas?
1072 [14:56:20] <azeem> you can see whether the dbgsym package helps
1073 [14:56:37] <azeem> but it could be that libpthread is too low-level for gdb to be very useful, not sure
1074 [14:57:06] <azeem> idl0r: in any case, why do you need it? It's pretty unlikely there's an issue in libpthread unless you are on a very exotic architecture
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1080 [15:01:39] <idl0r> azeem: well, we have a program that crashes and generates a cordump where only pthread stuff is shown but without debug symbols, i can't get any useful information about it
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1085 [15:02:43] <idl0r> there is no dbgsym package for amd64 though, at least I couldn't find it
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1088 [15:03:03] <azeem> it could be that libc6 is special, yeah
1089 [15:03:11] <azeem> but again, I doubt it's a pthread issue
1090 [15:03:23] <idl0r> there's one for i386 :(
1091 [15:03:39] <idl0r> it's probably not but it hopefully helps to track down the actual issue
1092 [15:04:31] <azeem> that crashing program is from some vendor or is it from a Debian package?
1093 [15:04:54] <azeem> you can try to run it under gdb and see whether it crashes then as well
1094 [15:05:27] <idl0r> some vendor
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1098 [15:11:32] <Stove> Hello, I'm using the docker image "debian:buster" and want to install he kernel headers "apt-get install -y linux-headers-$(uname -r)" but return "Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.19.0-10-amd64"
1099 [15:12:35] <Stove> Is the docker image out of date? Why is this header version removed from the repo?
1100 [15:19:22] <pasiz> Stove: so what does "apt search linux-headers-$(uname -r)" return
1101 [15:19:32] <Stove> nothing
1102 [15:19:36] <Stove> -10 does not exist
1103 [15:19:39] <Stove> -11 does
1104 [15:19:57] <Stove> -9 does too
1105 [15:20:23] <pasiz> did you try apt update -> upgrade before that
1106 [15:20:36] <Stove> yes, both
1107 [15:20:54] <pasiz> and reboot after that?
1108 [15:21:02] <Stove> it's a Dockerfile
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1111 [15:22:01] <pasiz> restarting maybe then, if correct
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1116 [15:24:01] <Stove> you can't restart during the build phase..
1117 [15:25:08] <store_scarecrow> Do just uname -r and see what it says you have.
1118 [15:26:10] <Stove> 4.19.0-10-amd64
1119 [15:27:28] <wwilliam> what would be the best command to see what is taking space in let's say /var?
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1121 [15:28:00] <jolt> wwilliam: I usually just do df -hs /var/*
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1123 [15:29:19] <Stove> And how is it possible that debian:buster and debian:stretch have the same kernel version?
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1125 [15:31:03] <Stove> Right, nvm because it's docker it uses the kernel of the host, ofc
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1131 [15:32:38] <otisolsen70> Any idea why I keep seeing warnings such as these in syslog? "systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/smbd.service:9: PIDFile= references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/samba/smbd.pid → /run/samba/smbd.pid; please update the unit file accordingly" bigger log exerpt: replaced-url
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1133 [15:33:00] <otisolsen70> What do I need to do in order to fix this? And why is this not handled by the .deb packages upon updates?
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1136 [15:34:48] <Stove> So pasiz you were probably right, I didn't reboot my host after doing upgrade and the docker image uses the kernel of the host
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1141 [15:40:38] <wwilliam> Thank you jolt
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1145 [15:41:23] <wwilliam> df -hs /var/*
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1150 [15:42:37] <wwilliam> df: invalid option -- 's'
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1153 [15:43:18] <wwilliam> df --version
1154 [15:43:19] <wwilliam> df (GNU coreutils) 8.30
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1157 [15:44:11] <jmaher> can i make something in a bash script which acts like a temporary file, without actually needing to create a temporary file?
1158 [15:44:37] <ratrace> wwilliam: it's du, not df
1159 [15:44:49] <ratrace> jolt made a typo. du -sh
1160 [15:45:09] <jolt> sorry
1161 [15:45:17] <jolt> always :/
1162 [15:46:38] <jmaher> also, I've tried: exec 3<> foo ; echo "test" >&3 ; cat <&3 <--- but this doesn't give the contents of the file - how do i get stuff out of the file descriptor?
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1173 [16:00:29] <jmaher> ok - I've worked out how to get stuff out of the file descriptor - but what I really want to do is run rsync --exclude-file= but instead of using a file use soe sort of temporary file descriptor - is there some way to di that?
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1191 [16:03:53] <greentree47> are there any noob friendly commands for upgrading distros
1192 [16:04:03] <Brigo> jmaher, what's the problem with a temporary file?
1193 [16:04:03] <greentree47> i think a derivative distro had something like `do-release-upgrade`
1194 [16:04:41] <wwilliam> ratrace: thank you
1195 [16:04:43] <wsky> greentree47: just adjust your sources.list and di dist-upgrade
1196 [16:04:45] <Brigo> greentree47, not that i am aware of
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1202 [16:05:17] <wsky> do*
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1204 [16:05:29] <jhutchins> jolt: Perhaps you meant du, not df.
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1206 [16:05:37] <GNU\colossus> greentree47, read the replaced-url
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1208 [16:06:18] <wwilliam> ok and how do i sort biggest to smallest by G then M?
1209 [16:06:52] <zykotick9> wwilliam: i find ncdu very handy as a program to do what you wish
1210 [16:07:04] <jhutchins> ratrace: Ah, I see you already caught that.
1211 [16:07:19] <ratrace> mmh-hm
1212 [16:07:19] <jhutchins> The scrollbuffer is not my friend.
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1225 [16:18:35] <gnat_x> wwilliam: du -h |sort -h
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1237 [16:25:03] <mehwork> if a symlink points to a file like ~/foo/bar/file.txt is there a way to jump to the dir that symlink's file is in?
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1239 [16:26:23] <ratrace> mehwork: cd realpath yoursymlink
1240 [16:26:57] <mehwork> i'm not following (pun not intended)
1241 [16:27:15] <ratrace> ugh... cd $(dirname $(realpath yoursymlink))
1242 [16:27:29] <wwilliam> gnat_x: thank you so much
1243 [16:27:32] <mehwork> oh wow never heard of realpath
1244 [16:27:41] <mehwork> i was trying dirname without it
1245 [16:27:43] <mehwork> thanks
1246 [16:27:56] <wwilliam> I did this one:
1247 [16:27:57] <wwilliam> du -sh /var/*|sort -r -h
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1249 [16:28:05] <wwilliam> do i get the G first.
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1251 [16:29:21] <wwilliam> I do*
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1254 [16:32:02] <gnat_x> wwilliam: if you read the man pages for both `sort` and `du` you'll see `-h` in du it converts to human readable formats, and in sort it interprets those formats (rather than asciibetical default)
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1257 [16:32:38] <gnat_x> i was so happy when -h was added to sort.
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1263 [16:34:51] <wwilliam> gnat_x: thanks
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1272 [16:39:37] <jhutchins> gnat_x: Interesting. I haven't used sort much outside of vi in recent years.
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1275 [16:41:01] <gnat_x> wwilliam: one other thing that makes du much more useful. -d which limits recursion depth.
1276 [16:41:22] <wwilliam> OK. Thanks
1277 [16:41:41] <gnat_x> jhutchins: yeah, super useful as part of the tool kit for digging around in things like log files.
1278 [16:41:55] <gnat_x> particularly when paired with uniq.
1279 [16:42:24] <gnat_x> and grep or awk of course.
1280 [16:42:49] <mehwork> ratrace: any idea how to get the $1 to interpolate when i try to script it: cd $(dirname $(realpath "$1"))
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1282 [16:44:11] <jhutchins> Yeah, I did a lot of stepping through /var with du -sh to find logs that weren't being maintained. There was one that I think was five years old and had never been truncated. "Ok, plenty of disk space now." I think they'd extended LVM three times.
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1290 [16:47:10] <mehwork> i'd think this would work but it doesn't: cd $(dirname "$(realpath $1)")
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1298 [16:54:27] <jolt> wwilliam: if you wanna sort by size, I do du -hsm /var/* |sort -nr, then you can use "head" to limit the top results
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1300 [16:55:12] <wwilliam> jolt: thank you I will test that also.
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1309 [17:08:23] <ratrace> mehwork: eh, you put that in a script?
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1313 [17:09:58] <ratrace> mehwork: it works for me. perhaps you're expecting the script to alter your cwd? you can't do that from a script, at least not with cd
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1317 [17:18:08] <jhutchins> Always use full, explicit paths in scripts.
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1319 [17:20:33] <ratrace> jhutchins: I think they're trying to create a tool that does a cd into symlink's realpath dir. thing is, a cd in a script is affecting only the subshell of that script, doesn't change the caller's CWD
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1362 [18:00:47] <otisolsen70> I keep seeing warnings such as these in syslog? "systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/smbd.service:9: PIDFile= references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/samba/smbd.pid → /run/samba/smbd.pid; please update the unit file accordingly" bigger log exerpt: replaced-url
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1365 [18:06:24] <foxide> And quote your paths. That way errant spaces won't wipe out /usr or something.
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1368 [18:15:54] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: if your system is like mine then /var/run is a symlink to /run. I would not worry about the warning.
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1420 [19:01:50] <ice9> `sensors` was showing CPU temp however after I ran `sensors-detect`, CPU temp has disappeared from the results; any idea?
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1422 [19:03:08] <wsky> ice9: remove the config files
1423 [19:03:19] <wsky> of lm-sensors
1424 [19:03:31] <hello-world-222> im having trouble with my audio, i have headphones plugged in and they are detected but no audio is outputted
1425 [19:03:41] <ice9> wsky, amazing :D thanks
1426 [19:03:47] <hello-world-222> im using debian testing image with firmware installed
1427 [19:04:06] <ice9> wsky, but why sensors-detect isn't detecting the CPU?
1428 [19:04:26] <wsky> no idea, buggy softeware
1429 [19:04:30] <iterati> Hi. That replaced-url
1430 [19:04:32] <wsky> software.\
1431 [19:04:56] <Mister00X> iterati: Why not use the debian one
1432 [19:05:42] <iterati> Mister00X: it stuck at 5.5 for a while
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1434 [19:06:06] <wsky> hello-world-222: what is you cpu and chipset?
1435 [19:06:16] <wsky> just out of curiosity
1436 [19:06:30] <sney> iterati: software for current-testing can generally be installed on sid too.
1437 [19:07:20] <iterati> sney: thanks. I thought so.
1438 [19:07:58] <hello-world-222> wsky not sure, but i know the firmware is there and the audio has worked in the past
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1440 [19:08:07] <hello-world-222> so i had audio at some point
1441 [19:08:16] <wsky> ah sorry
1442 [19:08:20] <wsky> i meant ice9
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1448 [19:12:59] <ice9> wsky, intel i5 6th gen
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1451 [19:14:07] <wsky> ice9: and what chipset?
1452 [19:14:11] <wiscii> sorry for this dumb q. but is this #debian or #debian-overflow ?
1453 [19:14:37] <ice9> wsky, what do you mean by chipset?
1454 [19:14:45] <wsky> the mainboard chipset
1455 [19:14:58] <ice9> wsky, well it's a laptop, how can I figure out?
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1457 [19:15:57] <jmcnaught> wiscii: you are in #debian
1458 [19:16:21] <wiscii> jmcnaught: ok thanks - my client is confusing me
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1469 [19:18:09] <jmcnaught> ice9: to see the CPU temperature on Intel CPUs you need the 'coretemp' module loaded. 'lsmod' to list loaded modules, if it is not there, then 'modprobe coretemp' will load it.
1470 [19:18:54] <jhutchins> ice9: Are you sure there is a CPU sensor?
1471 [19:19:23] <ice9> jhutchins, after I removed lm-sensors's config file, it's now showing the CPU temp just fine
1472 [19:20:03] <jhutchins> ice9: REasonable reading?
1473 [19:20:09] <ice9> jhutchins, yeah
1474 [19:23:13] <jhutchins> ice9: Well, if it ain't broke ...
1475 [19:23:49] <ice9> if the CPU's temp is 44C and the fan is spinning, is this reasonable or fan needs adjustment?
1476 [19:24:19] <wsky> reasonable. you can test it by running a stress test
1477 [19:24:30] <wsky> then you'll see what temo it can reach
1478 [19:24:34] <wsky> temp*
1479 [19:25:39] <wsky> ,stress
1480 [19:25:43] <wsky> ,p stress
1481 [19:25:45] <wsky> hm
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1484 [19:29:22] <jmcnaught> ,i stress
1485 [19:29:24] <judd> Package stress (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system. Version: 1.0.4-4; Size: 21.3k; Installed: 54k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1489 [19:31:20] <cubemonkey> In Debian 10, is there a man page / doc for setting the number of simultaneous download threads apt-get uses? I've checked man pages for apt-get, apt_preferences, apt-cache, ...
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1491 [19:33:07] <jmcnaught> cubemonkey: try looking around in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
1492 [19:33:50] <cubemonkey> @jmcnaught OK, thank you.
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1499 [19:42:42] <imbenx> test
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1506 [19:52:09] <thorsten`> is there a metapackage with common command line tools? (e.g. lspci, lsusb). I've just noticed my install lacks lspci and so I'm wondering what else might be missing
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1509 [19:54:45] <jmcnaught> thorsten`: maybe you deselected "standard system utilities" during the tasksel part of the installer? replaced-url
1510 [19:55:32] <thorsten`> I've installed via debootstrap (so in a way, yes, I didn't select standard system utilities)
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1513 [19:56:45] <jmcnaught> thorsten`: The above link has an aptitude search that lists those packages. You can read about what the priorities mean here: replaced-url
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1520 [19:59:08] <gnat_x> thorsten`: coreutils and moreutils should have most of what you want.
1521 [19:59:53] <thorsten`> jmcnaught: thanks for the doc! I've installed ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant and this seems to cover what was missing :)
1522 [20:01:55] <thorsten`> gnat_x: thanks; i didn't know moreutils :) (I had coreutils fortunately)
1523 [20:02:36] <gnat_x> it's a handy one.
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1527 [20:06:29] <PipeItToDevNull> I have several debian servers, one has abysmal net speeds of less than 1 Mb. I am not sure where to even start looking for the culprit
1528 [20:06:37] <thorsten`> nice, it even has a parallel that is different from gnu parallel (I always find the latter hard to use on a daily basis)
1529 [20:07:45] <gnat_x> PipeItToDevNull: vmstat 1 the first line is summary. (if you terminal is wide, use the -w option for easy reading).
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1532 [20:09:09] <PipeItToDevNull> 0 0 0 6520156 114728 1223332 0 0 7 89 36 105 0 1 98 0 0
1533 [20:09:09] <PipeItToDevNull> It doesnt mean too much to me
1534 [20:09:23] <PipeItToDevNull> RAM is free, I stopped all services to have the box at idle
1535 [20:09:33] <PipeItToDevNull> updated, rebooted several times with all services disabled
1536 [20:09:53] <gnat_x> keep it running... watch bi bo (disk contention) as well as memory and cpu.
1537 [20:10:35] <gnat_x> just to rule out that some other thing going on with the system.
1538 [20:10:56] <PipeItToDevNull> I got 1 spike in BO to 4480, but it has since only hit 620 but mostly 0
1539 [20:11:17] <gnat_x> your disks are not the issue.
1540 [20:11:29] <gnat_x> nor is ram i guess.
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1542 [20:12:15] <PipeItToDevNull> Looking at ID, I am at 90 or 100 which seems to mean the CPU is idle
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1545 [20:12:30] <ratrace> PipeItToDevNull: install mtr-tiny and iperf3 and measure packet loss and bandwidth to several different points
1546 [20:12:30] <gnat_x> are all your servers in the same cabinet? do you control that network? (thinking some sort of mis-configuration generated packet storm)
1547 [20:12:52] <PipeItToDevNull> They are all on the same hypervisor, other servers get speeds of close to 200Mb (internet DL)
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1561 [20:21:48] <otisolsen70_> jmcgnh, /var/run is symlink to /run, yes. So I should ignore those warnings?
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1565 [20:33:51] <jelangkung> sorry if oot but can antone download anything from java.com? been trying for weeks, no luck
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1594 [21:08:35] <zutat> any 2020 or 2019 laptops?
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1598 [21:10:17] <jhutchins> !java
1599 [21:10:17] <dpkg> Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. replaced-url
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1602 [21:12:31] <jhutchins> PipeItToDevNull: See what ethtool tels you the card is set to.
1603 [21:13:25] <jhutchins> PipeItToDevNull: Other VMs can have odd effects, particularly if there is resource contetntion.
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1639 [21:53:09] <ahub> Hi, I've just finished packaging a software I like for arch. So I have the list of dependencies, the list of files to install and their destinations. I'd like to go one step further and make a .deb package too. What would be the shortest path ?
1640 [21:53:53] <quadrathoch2> ahub probably best to ask in #packaging on oftc.net
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1642 [21:54:35] <ahub> quadrathoch2: is it a channel specific to debian ? Or is it for any type of packaging ?
1643 [21:54:46] <quadrathoch2> specific to debian ahub
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1645 [21:55:05] <ahub> thank you quadrathoch2 , I'll have a look there !
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1652 [22:00:36] <ratrace> ahub: also this replaced-url
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1654 [22:01:14] <ahub> I saw that one, it's a bit daunting though. So I though I might ask ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1688 [22:31:21] <dokma> What was the name of etc config file that specified which executable will handle an incoming request?
1689 [22:31:49] <dokma> /etc/something.conf ... it's on the tip of my tounge but can't get it
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1691 [22:32:01] <sney> incoming request? inetd?
1692 [22:32:03] <iterati> The font source code pro is not available in the official repos ?
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1694 [22:32:34] <dokma> sney: for example you could handle incoming mail either by starting a process through that file or run a daemon in the background
1695 [22:32:53] <dokma> inetd
1696 [22:33:04] <dokma> sney: that's it
1697 [22:33:07] <sney> yep
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1699 [22:33:31] <sney> haven't used inetd in a long time, it's kind of an artifact of the low-resource days. but you still see it around.
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1702 [22:39:26] <sney> iterati: doesn't look like it. it's released under the OFL so it qualifies for debian, there just isn't a package (yet). You could file a RFP bug to request that it get packaged.
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1707 [22:41:03] <ratrace> dokma: on systemd systems, which is debian buster, you can use socket activation
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1718 [22:49:15] <jhutchins> sney: inetd not packaged?
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1721 [22:49:52] <jhutchins> Try xinetd - they extende it.
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1723 [22:50:38] <jhutchins> extended
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1727 [22:52:10] <quadrathoch2> oxek did you get to run unpriv lxc containers in the end?
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