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9 [00:13:22] <wsky> well, there iwll be no debian on this computer
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13 [00:13:42] <koldf> yo
14 [00:13:47] <koldf> can someone explain this
15 [00:13:52] <wsky> as i expected, turns out the amdgpu drivers are acting up
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17 [00:15:21] <koldf> /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{53312312-6613-4c43-4323} -background none -noreset -displayfd 18 -seat seat0 vt1
18 [00:15:33] <koldf> did this laptop get owned
19 [00:16:28] <sney> koldf: nope, sddm is your display manager. it provides the gui login prompt. the process entry for it on my system looks like that, too
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21 [00:17:03] <sney> ,i sddm
22 [00:17:04] <judd> Package sddm (kde, optional) in buster/amd64: modern display manager for X11. Version: 0.18.0-1+deb10u1; Size: 626.8k; Installed: 1870k; Homepage: replaced-url
23 [00:18:07] <sney> wsky: with new hardware, there's always the possibility of checking again after a few months have passed. debian's cutting edge support is lacking unfortunately
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25 [00:18:24] <koldf> sney: are you sure
26 [00:18:28] <koldf> it's using an absurd amount
27 [00:18:32] <koldf> of resources
28 [00:18:39] <koldf> neve rseen it before
29 [00:19:01] <wsky> sney: this isn't even cutting edge, it's a gpu from 2017
30 [00:19:04] <sney> I am 100% sure that's what sddm is for, yes.
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33 [00:19:49] <sney> if it's using a lot of resources, you may have some other issue, though it's easy to misread memory use information on linux if you're not used to how it behaves
34 [00:19:56] <jhutchins> koldf: Or you could do the direct-from-AMD install. Purge the Debian files completely and follow AMD's instructions EXACTLY.
35 [00:20:12] <koldf> what
36 [00:20:17] <koldf> maybe you weren't trying to tlak 2 me
37 [00:20:23] <koldf> i don't have an md
38 [00:20:26] <jhutchins> koldf: I think I had to reboot ONCE extra to let dkms catch up with a new kernel.
39 [00:20:30] <koldf> what
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41 [00:20:34] <sney> jhutchins: you mean wsky :)
42 [00:20:39] <koldf> psure you're reffering to sm1 else
43 [00:20:54] <sney> definitely
44 [00:21:02] <koldf> so sney
45 [00:21:04] <koldf> are you sure
46 [00:21:08] <koldf> i didn't get rooted
47 [00:21:14] <jhutchins> koldf: Oops.
48 [00:21:16] <koldf> was freaking out for like an hour
49 [00:21:23] <koldf> because im running a debian that reached eol
50 [00:21:27] <jhutchins> wsky: See above to koldf
51 [00:21:28] <wsky> jhutchins: i did follow the instructions, i had the kernel modules running
52 [00:21:30] <sney> from my system just now: root 1801 3.3 2.2 680276 538868 tty7 Ssl+ 2020 198:33 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{5673a898-5e25-4fa9-af91-ed9e5cc0e26f} -background none -noreset -displayfd 17 -seat seat0 vt7
53 [00:21:42] <koldf> oh well that's reasuring
54 [00:21:45] <koldf> because i opened an ad
55 [00:21:51] <koldf> yesterday on some streaming website
56 [00:21:54] <koldf> that was serving exploit ktis
57 [00:22:01] <koldf> and it legit opened some rgb settings thing for me
58 [00:22:07] <wsky> jhutchins: just the image wasn't fluently rendered, lock up every second then back to rendering
59 [00:22:09] <koldf> so i wasn't sure if anything happaned
60 [00:22:17] <koldf> and then i see this running for 22h
61 [00:22:44] <sney> I've never heard of an 0day exploiting sddm. I suppose it's not *completely* impossible but it's dang unlikely. you can install 'debsums' to see if the sddm binary has been modified, but in general, this is a normal service to have on a debian system
62 [00:22:55] <koldf> what's sddm
63 [00:23:01] <sney> ,i sddm
64 [00:23:04] <judd> Package sddm (kde, optional) in buster/amd64: modern display manager for X11. Version: 0.18.0-1+deb10u1; Size: 626.8k; Installed: 1870k; Homepage: replaced-url
65 [00:23:31] <sney> it's part of the KDE desktop. might be included with lxqt too, or can be used on its own. it manages your gui sessions under Xorg
66 [00:23:43] <koldf> ohh okay
67 [00:23:45] <koldf> thanks guy
68 [00:23:51] <koldf> you were of great help
69 [00:23:54] <sney> np
70 [00:23:54] <koldf> this was a wake up call
71 [00:23:58] <koldf> to update my EOL system
72 [00:24:00] <koldf> for sure
73 [00:24:03] <koldf> and get a new install
74 [00:25:44] <alex11> i'm actively looking forward to upgrading to debian 11
75 [00:25:52] <alex11> new stuff :D
76 [00:27:22] * dvs get the sns for alex11
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78 [00:27:45] <alex11> sns?
79 [00:28:01] <dvs> !sns
80 [00:28:01] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
81 [00:28:17] <alex11> i mean when debian 11 releases as stable, not now
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83 [00:28:57] <dvs> !wwbr
84 [00:28:57] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready."
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87 [00:31:44] <alex11> especially a new xfce, holy crap
88 [00:31:53] <alex11> with 4.16 being released the buster xfce is aaaancient
89 [00:33:32] <sney> or specifically, it was considered stable in july of 2019
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91 [00:39:02] <spacedust> i better start playing darts
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97 [00:46:20] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I've done a fresh install of debian. And I am trying to use wine but for some reason it won't start up? here is what POL tells me :( : replaced-url
98 [00:48:26] <sney> debian doesn't have wine 4.20 staging, so we can't offer much specific support, but try running that binary directly and see if you get any more verbose error output
99 [00:49:34] <ratrace> sney: so it'll be ancient when bullseye releases :)
100 [00:49:45] <ratrace> Stalebian.
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102 [00:50:03] <Kali_Yuga> sney: No this is with any wine version I download in POL
103 [00:50:37] <sney> ratrace: there are other distros that approach the stability:newness dilemma differently, feel free to use one of those if debian's doesn't suit you
104 [00:50:55] <ratrace> alraedy am :)
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106 [00:50:59] <sney> Kali_Yuga: regardless, same advice: run wine without the frontend and see what happens
107 [00:52:06] <Kali_Yuga> PlayOnLinux > Configure > Wine > Configure Wine .. makes it crash after I downloaded that version
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109 [00:53:05] <Kali_Yuga> sney: well this kinda needs to work for me usually I need to be able to download mono and gecko packages but nothing comes up
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111 [00:53:27] <sney> Kali_Yuga: see, the main error here is "no such file or directory". either it's not downloading wine properly, or there's something weird in the configuration, and we need to find out which one it is in order to proceed with troubleshooting
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121 [01:00:29] <Kali_Yuga> sney: okay so I just ran wine without playonlinux
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123 [01:00:35] <Kali_Yuga> and it tells me this
124 [01:00:56] <Kali_Yuga> replaced-url
125 [01:01:10] <Kali_Yuga> so I'm just going to do that now
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128 [01:02:24] <sney> Kali_Yuga: that looks like debian's wine binary as opposed to the ~/.PlayOnLinux/wine/linux-amd64/4.20-staging/bin/wine being called in your other screenshot
129 [01:02:43] <sney> also, can you upload logs instead of images in the future? makes copy/paste/search easier.
130 [01:02:44] <sney> !termbin
131 [01:02:45] <dpkg> you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
132 [01:03:55] <Kali_Yuga> sney: okay
133 [01:05:02] <wiscii> hi, having a problem with ssh-agent on debian10, after reading man ssh-agent I found there is a specific reference to debian not using ssh-agent "correctly" ..
134 [01:05:24] <wiscii> quote "In Debian, ssh-agent is installed with the set-group-id bit set,"
135 [01:05:38] <wiscii> i simply cannot get ssh-agent to work with ssh-add
136 [01:06:07] <wiscii> I am not using a desktop environmnet .. i am loged in with ssh only
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138 [01:07:17] <n4dir> don't you usually start: ssh-agent; in a termina and then you do ssh-add <path-to-key> ?
139 [01:07:49] <wiscii> n4dir: yes you do .. but not with deb10 because it does not set the required env-vars
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141 [01:08:06] <n4dir> eval "$(ssh-agent)"
142 [01:08:14] <n4dir> that is what i have in ~/.profile
143 [01:08:17] <wiscii> SSH_AUTH_SOCK When ssh-agent starts, it creates a UNIX-domain socket and stores its pathname in this variable.
144 [01:08:18] <n4dir> and that works for me
145 [01:08:35] <n4dir> using startx
146 [01:08:35] <wiscii> hmm.. ok I can try that, thanks
147 [01:08:52] <Kali_Yuga> sney: I think that did it
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149 [01:09:13] <DarwinElf> why is the Unix-like 'mail' command missing?
150 [01:09:27] <Kali_Yuga> sney: wine32 needs to be installed I believe. I am able to download mono und gecko package in POL now
151 [01:09:28] <sney> !install it
152 [01:09:28] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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154 [01:10:03] <DarwinElf> oh, you have to install mailutils. Ridiculous
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157 [01:11:06] <wiscii> n4dir: thanks .. that works perfectly .. i guess i was reading it all wrong
158 [01:11:13] <Kali_Yuga> sney: replaced-url
159 [01:11:38] <n4dir> wiscii: now i for one sure couldn't figure out what "eval" does. As long it works i don't mind, so i can't tell you
160 [01:12:06] <sney> Kali_Yuga: cool, I see wine32 is listed as a dependency of playonlinux, but it seems if you tried installing 'wine' by itself first then that would satisfy the dep instead
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163 [01:15:01] <Kali_Yuga> sney: Well thank you anyway I'm glad it's working now...
164 [01:15:12] <sney> np
165 [01:15:38] <wiscii> n4dir: no problem .. now it is working i have to work out what mess has been made on the ssh keys and that is not debians issue ;-)
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168 [01:16:38] <n4dir> there are probably people in this room, #debian, who know it in and out. It is still holiday time. Anyway: good luck
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170 [01:16:57] <wiscii> salute !
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197 [01:50:11] <Iarfen> hi!
198 [01:50:25] <Iarfen> anyone here uses Google Cloud Platform? I need help configuring the VM instance
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205 [01:55:07] <rk4> if it's a debian question, ask, if it's a GCP question go ask google :P
206 [01:55:59] <rk4> [sometimes the line is a little blurred...]
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208 [01:57:15] <backupluis> From time to time I lost some desktop icons (shortcuts) and now I find why, If I select see hidden files in my home folder, icons appears on the desktop.
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435 [02:23:54] <LuKaRo> Hi, just installed debian buster KDE on a MacBook Pro late 2011 with dual graphics (AMD/Intel). After booting, only a tty opened, SDDM failed to start. So I installed firmware-amd-graphics, firmware-linux-nonfree, libgl1-mesa-dri, libglx-mesa0, mesa-vulkan-drivers, xserver-xorg-video-all as advised replaced-url
436 [02:23:55] <LuKaRo> initramfs is messed up? Any ideas?
437 [02:24:08] <LuKaRo> I have booted the 10.7 debian live kde ISO, but I don't know how to fix my boot process. I'm usually using Arch Linux, not so familiar with Debian...
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442 [02:31:24] <LuKaRo> When booting, I get "loading initial RAM disk" and then just a blank screen. Any ideas?
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444 [02:34:04] <LuKaRo> Ah, I was able to boot using an older kernel in the GRUB menu. How can I fix my main kernel?
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447 [02:38:12] <ax562> LuKaRo I would start with a fresh install, I believe there are is a "choose" proprietary drivers during the instalation. Save drivers and reinstall. Thats' what I would do.
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453 [02:41:10] <LuKaRo> ax562: Thanks! I just installed 2 hours ago, and there was no such option unfortunately :/
454 [02:41:52] <ax562> hmmm, were you able to boot into gui after install?
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457 [02:46:05] <sn00p> how do I remove python2 from buster
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459 [02:47:35] <quadrathoch2> sn00p you shouldn’t
460 [02:48:21] <quadrathoch2> LuKaro any output you can paste.debian.net?
461 [02:48:36] <sn00p> I have python3 installed and it conflicts with the stuff I need to use with python3
462 [02:49:30] <quadrathoch2> sn00p if you remove python2 you will get a broken system, because a lot of the system packages depend on it
463 [02:51:15] <rk4> what is the python3 thing you're trying to run
464 [02:51:20] <ax562> sn00p make python3 default python
465 [02:51:34] <quadrathoch2> ax562 holy hell, no
466 [02:51:46] <quadrathoch2> You will break the system
467 [02:52:14] <ax562> If both are present?
468 [02:52:23] <quadrathoch2> yes
469 [02:52:29] <ax562> thats new to me
470 [02:53:12] <sn00p> rk4, replaced-url
471 [02:54:00] <rk4> i'd go with the docker image myself
472 [02:54:09] <sn00p> i installed the docker image
473 [02:54:13] <sn00p> its saying
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475 [02:54:37] <sn00p> imp module is depreciated in favor of importlib
476 [02:55:03] <quadrathoch2> oO so it's not a Debian issue then
477 [02:55:14] <quadrathoch2> as docker is outside of Debians reach
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479 [02:55:49] <sney> also,
480 [02:55:51] <sney> !warning
481 [02:55:52] <dpkg> Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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483 [02:56:36] <rk4> side note, see how us telling you how to 'remove python2 from buster' would have been a giant disaster, you should include overall context in your questions, the real problem you're trying to solve
484 [02:56:38] <sney> if you want a debian release without python2, good news, that'll be debian 11, out in less than a year
485 [02:57:24] <ax562> I heart debian 11 <3
486 [02:57:40] <quadrathoch2> I still see not really how that has everything to do with python2 or python3
487 [02:57:45] <LuKaRo> quadrathoch2: Yeah, probably my Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
488 [02:59:22] <quadrathoch2> Lukaro what dgpu do you have?
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490 [03:01:37] <LuKaRo> lspci says "Radeon HD 6400M/7400M"
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494 [03:04:58] <Iarfen> how I give apache http server permission to access the filesystem?
495 [03:05:06] <Iarfen> it gives me errors because it can't open the files
496 [03:05:18] <Iarfen> it was with chown and chmod the command, as I remember
497 [03:05:46] <sney> probably chown the relevant directory to replaced-url
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499 [03:07:19] <sney> certainly don't 777 anything.
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788 [04:21:57] <clime> hello, what would you say is the main debian advantage over e.g. CentOS or Fedora?
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790 [04:24:08] <sney> vs the redhat ecosystem, debian is not beholden to corporate funding, and can't be spontaneously changed the way CentOS was recently
791 [04:24:31] <clime> sney: right
792 [04:24:53] <clime> sney: is debian sponsored by anyone?
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794 [04:25:14] <sney> debian is supported by a nonprofit called SPI, that gets funding from a lot of different sources
795 [04:25:23] <clime> i see
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797 [04:26:57] <sney> but from a software/user perspective it's pretty comparable. both ecosystems are built around producing stable OS releases that can be reliable with security support for multiple years, both have large established communities, both have large software archives, etc
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800 [04:28:39] <clime> sney: can you actually work for Debian and get money?
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802 [04:28:55] <clime> or people are volunteering?
803 [04:29:44] <sney> people are volunteering. there may be some companies paying people to work on debian, but debian itself isn't an employer
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805 [04:30:14] <clime> okay, thank you, i didn't know that
806 [04:31:18] <sney> working for canonical is pretty close though, ubuntu and debian share a lot of contributors
807 [04:33:13] <clime> right, does ubunu actually do anything except providing support?
808 [04:33:17] <clime> *ubuntu
809 [04:33:31] <clime> i.e. are they tweaking the packages?
810 [04:33:45] <Iarfen> in order to work with seliux, how I can install semanage inside debian? Or is there another tool that replaces semanage?
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812 [04:33:58] <sney> they tweak and patch a lot of packages, ubuntu is pretty distinct as derivatives go.
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814 [04:34:43] <sney> they even made some modifications to the packaging tools, so a given source package can automatically build for debian or ubuntu with different patches applied
815 [04:35:09] <clime> i see
816 [04:38:15] <clime> sney: thanks, it's useful to know more about the linux eco-system
817 [04:38:26] <sney> np
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831 [05:03:32] <Zombie> Hello, I'm having issues with LDAP/Kerberos configs for a Samba 4 AD.
832 [05:04:13] <Zombie> While NSS Seems to work fine with sss.so,
833 [05:04:21] <Zombie> PAM Fails every time.
834 [05:04:41] <Zombie> even when the password reflects success.
835 [05:19:27] <Zombie> Jan 3 03:58:08 tandypi sshd[3092]: pam_sss(sshd:auth): authentication success; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=::1 user=masterz
836 [05:19:27] <Zombie> Jan 3 03:58:08 tandypi sshd[3092]: Failed password for masterz from ::1 port 34174 ssh2
837 [05:19:27] <Zombie> Jan 3 03:58:08 tandypi sshd[3092]: fatal: Access denied for user masterz by PAM account configuration [preauth]
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848 [05:38:35] <Zombie> Hello?
849 [05:39:32] <alex11> hi
850 [05:39:43] <alex11> sorry, not sure how to solve your issue
851 [05:41:14] <sney> I've never achieved any real understanding of samba auth issues. they might know in #samba or wait around for the helpers in a different time zone
852 [05:43:12] <Zombie> This is more a Straight Kerberos and LDAP issue, with SSSD
853 [05:43:34] <Zombie> Or more likely, PAM telling giving me the middle finger
854 [05:43:43] <Zombie> Jan 3 03:58:08 tandypi sshd[3092]: pam_sss(sshd:auth): authentication success; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=::1 user=masterz
855 [05:43:59] <Zombie> Jan 3 03:58:08 tandypi sshd[3092]: fatal: Access denied for user masterz by PAM account configuration [preauth]
856 [05:44:02] <sney> kerberos and ldap are AD internals though, so I still suspect samba people would know
857 [05:44:29] <Zombie> The password is known correct and I can kinit.
858 [05:44:47] <Zombie> in addition, the LDAP functions are working.
859 [05:46:49] <Zombie> PAM Fails every time.
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862 [05:48:49] <rk4> sssd seems to be biggest [and sponsored by?] in redhat communities, if you had a rh client with the same problem...
863 [05:49:28] <rk4> trouble shooting this stuff always seemed hard to me, since it's not obvious where to stick the debugger and there's so much cross-project communication
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867 [05:49:44] <Zombie> Unable to get user objectInfoPipe
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885 [06:09:18] <cluelessperson> I think the bottleneck I'm experiencing on this server is disk io
886 [06:09:20] <cluelessperson> how can I measure it?
887 [06:09:26] <Zombie> org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit sssd-ifp.service not found.
888 [06:09:32] <cluelessperson> I can see the iops is at its limit
889 [06:09:34] <Zombie> What provides this?
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891 [06:09:51] <sney> ,file sssd-ifp.service
892 [06:09:53] <cluelessperson> but how can I see a value for latency or an issue with waiting for disk?
893 [06:09:55] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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901 [06:21:46] <cluelessperson> how are you supposed to spot disk io issues exactly?
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904 [06:26:44] <rk4> cluelessperson: replaced-url
905 [06:28:53] <rk4> cluelessperson: how are you seeing the iops? this EBS or something?
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914 [06:41:56] <cluelessperson> rk4, iostat
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923 [06:48:09] <Zombie> its part of sssd-dbus
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935 [07:07:46] <Zombie> Jan 3 06:07:06 tandypi sshd[1465]: pam_krb5(sshd:auth): user masterz authenticated as masterz@PUKEY
936 [07:07:47] <Zombie> Jan 3 06:07:06 tandypi sshd[1465]: Failed password for masterz from ::1 port 37032 ssh2
937 [07:07:47] <Zombie> Jan 3 06:07:06 tandypi sshd[1465]: fatal: Access denied for user masterz by PAM account configuration [preauth]
938 [07:07:56] <Zombie> WTF!
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963 [07:40:41] <skyliner_369> Anyone know of a good (free) C++ IDE? Gonna take a look at alternatives to the MS products. Something that's good to use with C++ projects with Vulkan powered graphics
964 [07:43:52] <alex11> uh i guess geany is the all-purpose ide
965 [07:44:50] <alex11> i'm not of much help though sorry
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967 [07:45:32] <skyliner_369> it's alright
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979 [08:15:01] <Zombie> Jan 3 07:13:44 tandypi sshd[1998]: pam_krb5(sshd:auth): user masterz authenticated as masterz@PUKEY
980 [08:15:01] <Zombie> Jan 3 07:14:16 tandypi login[841]: pam_krb5(login:auth): user masterz authenticated as masterz@PUKEY
981 [08:15:01] <Zombie> Jan 3 07:14:16 tandypi login[841]: Authentication failure
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1018 [09:03:39] <jelly> Zombie, can you show sssd.conf, output of "id -a masterz", and look at /var/log/sss/sssd_domainname.log for further clues?
1019 [09:04:00] <Zombie> I've gotten further along.
1020 [09:04:08] <jelly> and go back to pam_sss maybe
1021 [09:04:27] <Zombie> There seems to be some failure state in pam itself.
1022 [09:04:57] <Zombie> I've stopped using pam_sss and started falling back to pam_krb5 for comtrol testing.
1023 [09:05:04] <jelly> which debian release is this?
1024 [09:05:11] <Zombie> Here are my results
1025 [09:05:16] <Zombie> Buster (10)
1026 [09:05:34] <Zombie> on the Raspberry Pi 1
1027 [09:05:58] <jelly> is it really armel debian, or is it raspbian really
1028 [09:06:15] <Zombie> raspbian
1029 [09:06:44] <Zombie> $ sudo pamtester sshd masterz authenticate
1030 [09:06:44] <Zombie> Password:
1031 [09:06:44] <Zombie> pamtester: successfully authenticated
1032 [09:07:06] <Zombie> $ sudo pamtester sshd masterz acct_mgmt
1033 [09:07:07] <Zombie> pamtester: Authentication failure
1034 [09:07:36] <Zombie> $ sudo pamtester common-auth masterz open_session
1035 [09:07:36] <Zombie> pamtester: successfully opened a session
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1037 [09:10:40] <Zombie> Every Phase succeeds except acct_mgmt
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1070 [10:09:49] <shtrb> what is a proper way to unblock/unset Ethernet card ? I have an issue that an ethernet card would go to a state where it is stuck on ON (even if cable is unplugged) and the kernel will not send message link down after I unplug the cable , or when I replug the cable again . I tried rmmoding e1000e and modprobing it again but did not unblock , and the only way I had found to go back to working state is to reboot.
1071 [10:11:04] <shtrb> I was told last week it is "dead end street in the state change chain"
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1103 [11:00:50] <solrize_> root 398 1.4 80.6 1566484 822336 ? Sl 2019 10331:29 /usr/bin/pyth
1104 [11:00:50] <solrize_> on3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -s /var/run/fail2ban/fail2ban.sock -p /var/run/fail
1105 [11:00:50] <solrize_> 2ban/fail2ban.pid -x -b
1106 [11:01:11] <solrize_> any idea how that bloated up to use so much memory?
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1108 [11:02:22] <solrize_> root 398 1.4 80.6 1566484 822336 ? Sl 2019 10331:29 /usr/bin/pyth
1109 [11:02:22] <solrize_> on3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -s /var/run/fail2ban/fail2ban.sock -p /var/run/fail
1110 [11:02:22] <solrize_> 2ban/fail2ban.pid -x -b
1111 [11:02:27] <solrize_> oops sorry
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1113 [11:02:39] <solrize_> was trying to paste a github issue--apparently other people have encountered this too
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1124 [11:11:27] <quadrathoch2> shtrb doesn’t ifdown help?
1125 [11:11:51] <quadrathoch2> Zombie, I guess you would need then ask in raspbian
1126 [11:12:10] <quadrathoch2> As raspbian is not debian
1127 [11:12:15] <Zombie> This appears to be a generic PAM issue,
1128 [11:12:35] <Zombie> $ sudo pamtester common-account masterz acct_mgmt
1129 [11:12:35] <Zombie> pamtester: Authentication failure
1130 [11:12:42] <Zombie> Distro aside.
1131 [11:14:06] <Zombie> How would I go about diagnosing PAM itself?
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1133 [11:15:02] <shtrb> quadrathoch2, no , just got help in #kernel , there seem to be a live bug regarding power mangment with that module
1134 [11:15:53] <quadrathoch2> Ahh okay
1135 [11:16:16] <shtrb> via replaced-url
1136 [11:16:22] <shtrb> ,v kernel
1137 [11:16:23] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
1138 [11:16:27] <shtrb> ,v linux-image
1139 [11:16:28] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
1140 [11:17:13] <quadrathoch2> ,v linux-image-amd64
1141 [11:17:14] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u7; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u11; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-security: 4.19+105+deb10u7; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u8; buster-backports: 5.9.6-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.9.15-1; sid: 5.10.4-1
1142 [11:17:35] <Zombie> Anyone?
1143 [11:17:47] <Zombie> This is stopping me dead in my tracks.
1144 [11:19:01] <shtrb> quadrathoch2, based on the fact that I have 5.9.6 with the same bug it wasn't fixed I won the lottery of this kernel module
1145 [11:20:23] <quadrathoch2> Ugh, that a bug exists for long, is rather rare afair
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1153 [11:36:44] <Zombie> Are you going to refuse to help me?
1154 [11:37:29] <quadrathoch2> zombie maybe you have to wait for another time zone to wake up, as I literally have no idea how to even start to fix it
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1156 [11:38:34] <shtrb> Zombie, many people are idling ,some who don't may not know how to help you
1157 [11:38:57] <Zombie> Even though I can kinit, LDAP, and NSS operations work?
1158 [11:39:11] <rudi_s> Zombie: Try that on a clean Buster installation. PAM can be difficult to debug but it works pretty well. Most likely you have an error in your /etc/pam.d. Also you can enable logging for many pam modules which should help.
1159 [11:39:13] <shtrb> Zombie, I would have started verifying the aaa side to see what arrive
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1161 [11:40:14] <shtrb> Zombie , by default kinit and ldap do not use the standard /etc/pam.d
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1166 [11:47:51] <Zombie> shtrb, only acct_mgmt fails. (the account section)
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1168 [11:48:11] <Zombie> common-auth, common-session and common password succeds
1169 [11:48:25] <Zombie> I can pastebin my PAM Configs
1170 [11:50:55] <Zombie> replaced-url
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1193 [12:28:01] <creathor> hi, I've installed nvidia-driver on my testing drive and it's working good so far. Still one question left: at bootup and shutdown, with nouveau drivers the screen was perfect scaled. But with the new nvidia drivers, the screen isnt scaled properly and looks odd. Is there a way to scale the resolution with nvidia drivers, too?
1194 [12:28:58] <jelly> creathor, nvidia driver does not do framebuffer console, you're seeing text mode up until late in the boot process
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1196 [12:31:04] <creathor> ok, thank you
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1225 [13:23:42] <jelly> Zombie, you said you switched from sss to krb5 and ldap, yet you still have sss in common-auth
1226 [13:25:53] <jelly> er, common-account
1227 [13:26:45] <freem> Hi. busybox says, for it's DHCP client: "-S Log to syslog too". I assume that it means, "by default, nothing is sent to syslogd", right? Yet, there are lines logged there, despite me running udhcpc with "udhcpc -i enp2s0 -f -R -n". The lines I can find in the logs are:
1228 [13:26:45] <freem> daemon.notice udhcpc[29639]: enp2s0: deconfigured
1229 [13:26:45] <freem> daemon.err udhcpc[29639]: enp2s0: configuration failed: leasefail:
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1231 [13:27:33] <freem> is that expected, or is it a bug, maybe in busybox itself? Busybox's version here: BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-4)
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1243 [13:40:58] <dob1> I would like to find a console utility that given the pid of a process it will monitor the memory usage of it along the time, maybe with graph... not the total memory
1244 [13:41:01] <freem> tried with official source code for v1.30.1, and the behavior there is: no syslog except if asked for. Looks like a bug introduced by debian, but I don't know how to find which patch does that
1245 [13:41:24] <dob1> and not the memory usage in the instant, the history of memory usage during the time
1246 [13:41:57] <freem> dob1: while true; do ps -orss,vsz,pid,comm >> log; done
1247 [13:42:12] <freem> then, use gnuplot to draw the graphs with the data?
1248 [13:42:15] <jelly> freem, well, start by doing apt-get source busybox and looking at the contents of busybox-*/debian/patches/
1249 [13:42:29] <jelly> dob1, atop can collect that info.
1250 [13:42:43] <dob1> jelly, but of a single process?
1251 [13:42:56] <freem> that's what I did, but I need to make sense of the patches there. I'll do that after lunch
1252 [13:42:58] <jelly> all processes, the default service does 10 minute intervals
1253 [13:43:25] <dob1> jelly, this is the point, I don't want the total. I would like the usage in memory in % like you see on htop, a graph about this
1254 [13:44:13] <jelly> dob1, it tracks each process separately.
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1256 [13:44:35] <jelly> no graphs tho
1257 [13:45:49] <dob1> I will try, thanks
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1259 [13:46:36] <Zombie> jelly, I have changed it around several times
1260 [13:47:00] <Zombie> Same result either way.
1261 [13:47:25] <jelly> Zombie, and you haven't shown your sssd.conf and id output yet
1262 [13:47:49] <freem> patch file names have no mention of syslog, and in the patches including "syslog" text, nothing meaningful neither. I'll need to "bissect" the patchset I guess
1263 [13:48:06] <freem> urgh.
1264 [13:48:07] <Zombie> # id masterz
1265 [13:48:07] <Zombie> uid=500(masterz) gid=504(Domain Users) groups=506(Domain Admins),504(Domain Users)
1266 [13:48:57] <Zombie> I can do a successful sssctl user-checks
1267 [13:48:58] <jelly> Zombie, can you go back to sss and pastebin those, and also the whole of: grep -vE '^#|^$' /etc/pam.d/{common-*,sshd,login,su}
1268 [13:49:11] <Mister00X> ,
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1270 [13:54:14] <Zombie> replaced-url
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1275 [13:58:02] <dob1> related to memory while on htop I have swap memory but with mount I don't see any swap partition?
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1277 [13:59:05] <creathor> Hi, I am on testing (bullseye) and about 3 days ago I've installed nvidia-driver. Now I would like to go back to standard nouveau. What can I do to get rid of nvidia-driver and to get sure nouveau will be used instead?
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1280 [14:00:01] <jelly> dob1, "swapon -s" or "cat /proc/swaps"
1281 [14:00:14] <Zombie> replaced-url
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1283 [14:00:24] <Zombie> jelly, Anything else?
1284 [14:01:01] <jelly> Zombie, your common-account is not different from mine, on buster with sss (we use sssd_ldap, but still)
1285 [14:01:25] <Zombie> I use sssd_ldap and sssd_krb5
1286 [14:01:38] <dob1> jelly, I read 2gb vda5
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1288 [14:03:52] <jelly> dob1, "vmstat 1" from procps package to look at swap usage changes in near-realtime
1289 [14:04:18] <dob1> jelly, I disabled it in fstab
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1291 [14:05:26] <Mister00X> creathor: See replaced-url
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1294 [14:08:08] <creathor> Mister00X, I'll try this. And nouveau will be used automatically, after removing nvidia?
1295 [14:08:53] <Mister00X> It should. If it doesn't you need to remove the blacklisting of nouveau
1296 [14:08:54] <jelly> Zombie, /etc/sssd/sssd.conf, and strace -e\!mprotect,mmap,munmap pamtester common-account masterz acct_mgmt
1297 [14:10:10] <creathor> Mister00X, ok, I'll give it a try...
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1299 [14:12:08] <ratrace> there was a few factoids, or links in the wiki or debian admin guide, about building custom kernels. if I want to track latest LTS from kernel.org, can someone point me toward appropriate docs?
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1304 [14:15:48] <rue_bed> how the heck do I get the system to drop the -nolisten flag when starting X?!?!?!!
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1306 [14:17:55] <jelly> rue_bed, probably depends on the way the X server is started and what starts it
1307 [14:18:12] <rue_bed> kde
1308 [14:18:22] <jelly> rue_bed, is there a parent process for Xorg that is not equal to 1 ?
1309 [14:18:27] <rue_bed> and I'v disabled all the right things in the kde config
1310 [14:19:20] <rue_bed> 661 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -config /var/run/kdm/kdmrc
1311 [14:19:20] <rue_bed> 699 tty7 Ssl+ 0:26 \_ /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 vt7 -br -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-TUPsyb
1312 [14:19:32] <jelly> wow, kdm
1313 [14:19:35] <dvs> ratrace: make deb-pkg. That's it after you download the source from kernel.org
1314 [14:19:39] <jelly> rue_bed, which debian release is this?
1315 [14:19:59] <rue_bed> 10.7
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1317 [14:20:11] <jelly> judd, file usr/bin/kdm
1318 [14:20:16] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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1320 [14:20:43] <jelly> rue_bed, what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/kdm" say? what does "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" say?
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1324 [14:21:29] <ratrace> dvs: ahhh right, I forgot the kernel sources have those targets
1325 [14:21:31] <ratrace> thanks
1326 [14:21:36] <dvs> np
1327 [14:21:43] <rue_bed> says it came from kdm
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1329 [14:22:08] <rue_bed> and libc6 is 2.28-10
1330 [14:22:22] <jelly> rue_bed, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy kdm"
1331 [14:22:28] <ratrace> dvs: and if I wante to track sid's, I just do !ssb, right?
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1333 [14:22:51] <rue_bed> jelly, you working on finding out where I got kdm from?
1334 [14:22:53] <ratrace> which is probably not what I want, sid will upgrade beyond 5.10 one bullseye is out
1335 [14:22:58] <ratrace> *once
1336 [14:23:17] <jelly> rue_bed, it seems you have packages left over from earlier debian releases. I want to see which release is the system actually supposed to be.
1337 [14:23:18] <dvs> ratrace: It would be better to track backports than sid
1338 [14:23:25] <rue_bed> ah
1339 [14:23:46] <ratrace> dvs: backports are too slow. 5.9 has long be EOL'd and I really need 5.10 to test some upcoming changes
1340 [14:23:46] <jelly> before suggesting any changes be done
1341 [14:24:13] <jelly> ,kernels
1342 [14:24:14] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-1-686 (5.10.4-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
1343 [14:24:15] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
1344 [14:24:19] <rue_bed> replaced-url
1345 [14:24:48] <jelly> and the first command...
1346 [14:24:54] <rue_bed> kdm:
1347 [14:24:54] <rue_bed> Installed: 4:4.8.4-6
1348 [14:24:55] <dvs> ratrace: I'd rather get the source from kernel.org than sid because sid packages may pull in other packages from sid.
1349 [14:25:13] <jelly> ,v kdm
1350 [14:25:14] <judd> Package: kdm on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2
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1352 [14:25:17] <ratrace> right, that's why I wanted it, and I can stay within 5.10 LTS much sooner
1353 [14:25:17] <rue_bed> see anything odd?
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1355 [14:25:35] <jelly> rue_bed, so kdm has not been present in Debian since Debian 8. Switch to sddm first.
1356 [14:26:10] <robobox> yes, KDE5 doesn't have KDM
1357 [14:26:17] <rue_bed> why did kde get nixed?
1358 [14:26:41] <robobox> no, kdm did
1359 [14:26:47] <jelly> rue_bed, and you have an even older version present, which suggests your release upgrade steps were not done correctly at some point. Maybe you skipped a release, this is not allowed.
1360 [14:26:51] <robobox> kde is still in debian
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1362 [14:27:29] <rue_bed> hmm
1363 [14:27:48] <jelly> !not available
1364 [14:27:49] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
1365 [14:27:55] <rue_bed> ok, so with this install there is no way to disable the -nolisten flag thats being added to X
1366 [14:28:00] <jelly> rue_bed, ^ take a look at those.
1367 [14:28:14] <rue_bed> I'm not into a big upgrade
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1369 [14:28:40] <rue_bed> I have a file server that cant serve files and a second file sever with bad motherboard caps
1370 [14:28:45] <rue_bed> my list is full
1371 [14:28:57] <jelly> rue_bed, you should first switch to a *dm that is supported; right now you seem to have an unholy mix of debian 7 and 10
1372 [14:29:12] <rue_bed> ok
1373 [14:29:24] <jelly> file servers don't have to run a GUI at all
1374 [14:29:39] <rue_bed> upgrades are like pulling on the threads of a knitted sweater
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1376 [14:29:57] <jelly> release upgrades are well documented.
1377 [14:30:02] <ratrace> jelly: a million windows admins might disagree :)
1378 [14:30:03] <rue_bed> no, I'm just saying I have enough to do aleady
1379 [14:30:27] <jelly> ratrace, let me introduce you to "windows core" installations
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1381 [14:31:04] <jelly> rue_bed, then don't touch this system, it smells like lots of work
1382 [14:31:28] <jelly> using "stable" in sources.list is not a good idea and might have contributed to the mess
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1384 [14:31:43] <rue_bed> I'd rather write a script called Xorg and have it drop the extra flags
1385 [14:31:58] <jelly> (and it used to be default until like Debian 6 or so)
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1387 [14:32:33] <Zombie> sssd.conf contains passwords and stuff.
1388 [14:32:43] <jelly> Zombie, munge the passwords
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1390 [14:32:55] <jelly> don't change other stuff
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1394 [14:38:19] <jelly> rue_bed, only thing to do right now is replace all instances of "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list with "buster" to avoid compounding the issue when Debian 11 comes out
1395 [14:40:53] <jelly> Version: 4:4.8.4-6 # yeah, this is from Debian 7
1396 [14:41:19] <Zombie> jelly: Hey? Look in private Query
1397 [14:41:27] <Zombie> Password lines removed
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1399 [14:42:16] <jelly> Zombie, sorry, did not notice that. Please use the public channel for free help.
1400 [14:44:21] <Zombie> the Stack trace output more than I can paste bin
1401 [14:44:49] <jelly> !pastebinit
1402 [14:44:49] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
1403 [14:45:13] <jelly> paste.debian.net ought to take 64KiB, is it more?
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1406 [14:47:22] <jelly> Zombie, try not to remove any lines :-( just censor the passwords
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1410 [14:50:40] <Zombie> I did not want to post stuff about myDN SUffix
1411 [14:50:45] <Zombie> did you read it?
1412 [14:51:42] <Zombie> Also the stack trace was too large for me to pastebin,
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1415 [14:54:53] <Zombie> How do you want me to handle that?
1416 [14:55:29] <Zombie> I get the exact same behavior from pam_sss.so as I do from pam_krb5.so
1417 [14:55:48] <Zombie> and that config is a known working configuration.
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1498 [16:04:15] <CrystalMath> is there any way to prevent X.org from filling up my log with silly error messages about DBus not being installed?
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1526 [16:24:41] <ratrace> yes, install dbus. xorg apps on debian are really not meant to be running without it.
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1549 [16:53:22] <smurfke> Hello, I just succesfully instaled docker on debian 10. It automatically installed as a system unit (systemctl status docker --> returns active). How can I find the system unit file for the docker service? It apparantly is not in /etc/systemd/system/.
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1551 [16:54:29] <petn-randall> smurfke: /etc/systemd/system/ is only for the systemd unit files the admin sets up. No package should write it there.
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1553 [16:54:59] <petn-randall> smurfke: `dpkg -L docker` will list any files that package has, it's probably somewhere under /usr/lib/
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1555 [16:55:45] <smurfke> petn-randall: thanks! I found it under /lib/systemd/system/
1556 [16:56:24] <smurfke> However docker apparantly installed two services... docker.service and containerd.service. I was wanting to start up docker After=mnt-storage.mount (NFS storage is mounted)
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1558 [16:56:35] <smurfke> am unsure as to which one to edit now
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1562 [16:56:51] <smurfke> nevermind
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1565 [16:57:06] <petn-randall> smurfke: That should already be the case, otherwise it's an RC bug.
1566 [16:57:20] <smurfke> docker.service itself references After=containerd.service
1567 [16:57:25] <smurfke> petn-randall, hmm
1568 [16:57:28] <smurfke> ok
1569 [16:57:52] <smurfke> I mounted the NFS share via /etc/fstab for which it dynamically generates a system unit
1570 [16:58:21] <smurfke> I had problems in the past with services starting up before the NFS share was mounted that's why I would like to explicitly hook in on the after event
1571 [16:58:32] <smurfke> but anyway I'll try it first :)
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1575 [17:01:08] <elios> hi. every time i reboot my Master,PCM,Front is set to 0, how can i change that?
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1595 [17:02:22] <ratrace> alsamixer settings should persist after you exit and reboot
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1597 [17:02:25] <ratrace> elios: ^
1598 [17:02:52] <elios> yeah that is totally not what it does right now
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1630 [17:13:55] <ratrace> elios: pulseaudio controls are synced with alsa, for sinks, because it uses alsa. maybe your pulseaudio settings alter the defaults?
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1633 [17:18:21] <CrystalMath> ratrace: i don't want to install dbus
1634 [17:18:30] <CrystalMath> everything works without it, it's just that stupid error message
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1636 [17:18:41] <CrystalMath> i guess i must patch xserver-xorg then
1637 [17:19:06] <ratrace> or rebuild it without. most/many programs have dbus as a compile time options
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1639 [17:19:14] <CrystalMath> no, it's not the programs
1640 [17:19:16] <CrystalMath> it's just the server
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1642 [17:19:20] <CrystalMath> that bothers me
1643 [17:19:39] <ratrace> well doesn't xorg have dbus as compile time option? --config something somethign?
1644 [17:19:41] <CrystalMath> none of the X apps i use (i use traditional ones from like 1987...) need dbus
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1650 [17:24:14] <CrystalMath> ratrace: i'm not sure how to do that with the debian source
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1654 [17:25:50] <ratrace> CrystalMath: when you unpack the src deb, there should be a debian directory and in it, rules file. it's the rules file you should alter, I think, to change the config options. do alter the version via changelog, I think if you add ~ (tilde) in the version, you'll make it so that your version is superior to buster's but inferior to bullseye's, when the upgrade comes, you won't have your system broken
1655 [17:26:06] <ratrace> I'm not 100% sure on that, someone with more srcdeb experience will want to correct me
1656 [17:26:18] <CrystalMath> yes but i don't see at all how to get rid of dbus
1657 [17:26:25] <CrystalMath> i see it in the C code
1658 [17:26:31] <CrystalMath> i can comment out a little piece, and it's dead
1659 [17:27:41] <ratrace> check xorg docs, or source, or rummage through its automake or whatever the build framework script it uses, to see what the compile time options are
1660 [17:27:48] <ratrace> don't alter the code, use the options!
1661 [17:27:54] <CrystalMath> okay NEED_DBUS should be undefined
1662 [17:28:09] <CrystalMath> for the bad path to not start
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1665 [17:28:27] <CrystalMath> and that is set by configure
1666 [17:29:08] <ratrace> CrystalMath: well the xorg gitlab post you linked, someone recommends to use the --disable-systemd-logind config option. makes sense that this would require dbus
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1668 [17:29:27] <CrystalMath> ah, i'm using the xserver-xorg-legacy wrapper
1669 [17:29:48] <CrystalMath> i'm not running dbus nor systemd nor anything of the sort
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1671 [17:30:47] <ratrace> doesn't mattre what YOU use; what matters is what xorg requries by its compile time options. is this even debian? if it is, then it will want the logind API
1672 [17:31:01] <ratrace> which you can patch via elogind, if you don't do systemd/logind. but dbus is a must.
1673 [17:31:14] <ratrace> so you're deviating a LOT from what Debian is, it's almost a derivative now.
1674 [17:31:36] <CrystalMath> but it's totally possible to install xserver-xorg-core without dbus
1675 [17:31:44] <CrystalMath> dbus isn't a dependency, libdbus is
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1677 [17:31:59] <CrystalMath> libdbus is installed, but the daemon itself is not
1678 [17:32:29] <DDDD> So if i have a debian system which is prone to freeze etc, where should i look for any appropriate logs?
1679 [17:32:34] <n4dir> just ran in a nodbus iso and was wondering what all this might be about.
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1681 [17:34:21] <ratrace> DDDD: the journal. I'd start with journalctl -b -n -p err ; and if that doesn't show anything, I'd look through -k for kernel msgs, without -p err . if you don't have persistent journal, look into /var/log/kernel.log for possible issues, but you can't grep that for severity, unfortunately
1682 [17:35:55] <DDDD> ratrace, thanks
1683 [17:36:02] <DDDD> how the hell do you remember all this
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1685 [17:36:38] <ratrace> 20+ years of lee nuks
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1687 [17:37:21] <CrystalMath> i've only been using GNU/linux for 10 years
1688 [17:37:24] <ratrace> and that's my $dayjob, sysadmining a small linux server farm
1689 [17:37:35] <CrystalMath> well, this year, it will be a full decade of linux
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1691 [17:37:59] <n4dir> i use linux as long i use PC's, and i know close to nothing. Only time doesn't help much.
1692 [17:38:22] <CrystalMath> well over time i've learned to use it properly
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1694 [17:38:32] <CrystalMath> and that is, in the traditional UNIX® kind of way
1695 [17:39:28] <CrystalMath> i am considering a switch from debian to slackware
1696 [17:39:39] <wigums> YaY slackware
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1698 [17:40:07] <CrystalMath> so it's quite possible that i won't be going to bullseye
1699 [17:40:09] <wsky> CrystalMath: bad idea, slackware had no realease for last 4 years
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1702 [17:40:21] <CrystalMath> wsky: so? it has had updates
1703 [17:40:24] <wigums> slackware -current
1704 [17:40:27] <CrystalMath> i have slackware installed into a chroot
1705 [17:40:29] <elios> there is also devuan
1706 [17:40:30] <wigums> all up to date
1707 [17:40:36] <CrystalMath> it gets updates more than debian
1708 [17:40:40] <elios> no systemd
1709 [17:40:42] <CrystalMath> not that that's always a good thing
1710 [17:40:47] <CrystalMath> hmm... devuan...
1711 [17:40:53] <CrystalMath> i suppose
1712 [17:40:58] <CrystalMath> that's also an option
1713 [17:40:59] <wsky> still, they had no release for last 4 years
1714 [17:41:06] * wigums run slackware for 25 years
1715 [17:41:09] <CrystalMath> wsky: i love slow releases
1716 [17:41:20] <wigums> wsky look into slackware -current
1717 [17:41:22] <CrystalMath> but it's not that i detest change, oh no...
1718 [17:41:27] <CrystalMath> i change my system all the time
1719 [17:41:33] <CrystalMath> to be more and more outdated and retro
1720 [17:41:43] <CrystalMath> i actively look for ways i can be more oldfashioned and implement them
1721 [17:41:46] <wsky> wigums: i'm aware of -current, it's just i prefer releases
1722 [17:41:53] <CrystalMath> this is not a joke, i truly do this all the time, these days it's all i do
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1724 [17:42:08] <wigums> well if you run a slackware release you can upgrade whatever you want
1725 [17:42:26] <wigums> youre not stuck with 4 year old xfce for example
1726 [17:42:27] <CrystalMath> i think slackware has a more oldfashioned feel to it, and i love it for that
1727 [17:42:39] <CrystalMath> i don't use xfce, silly... that's way too modern
1728 [17:42:49] <CrystalMath> i use FVWM set up to look like windows 3.1
1729 [17:42:49] <wigums> just an a example
1730 [17:42:51] <elios> haha
1731 [17:42:54] <n4dir> Do it ! Don't let your dreams be dreams. Do it !
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1733 [17:43:37] <CrystalMath> as we speak, i'm ordering a very old monitor from 20 years ago
1734 [17:44:06] <ratrace> you're bringing back RayTracing!
1735 [17:45:02] <elios> cathode-ray tube, i heard of it.
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1738 [17:47:08] <CrystalMath> now, let's see if my modified xserver works
1739 [17:47:37] <CrystalMath> well it seems to work
1740 [17:48:02] <ratrace> CrystalMath: so what did you do to it in the end?
1741 [17:48:03] <CrystalMath> no more dbus spam
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1743 [17:48:17] <CrystalMath> --disable-systemd-logind --without-systemd
1744 [17:48:20] <CrystalMath> that's all
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1746 [17:48:28] <ratrace> CrystalMath: nice. that via debian/rules file?
1747 [17:48:31] <CrystalMath> and dch -lcoderain to mark it
1748 [17:48:31] <CrystalMath> yes
1749 [17:48:40] <ratrace> mmh-hmm.
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1751 [17:48:59] <ratrace> now just make sure you're notified when the package updates for bug/security fixes, so you can rebuild
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1753 [17:49:47] <n4dir> as said, i just ran in said nodbus refracta iso. All i can say it exists. Didn't use it, don't plan to
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1755 [17:50:10] <CrystalMath> i rebuild a few packages
1756 [17:50:14] <CrystalMath> mostly to fix bugs in them
1757 [17:50:22] <CrystalMath> sc and ksh93 come to mind
1758 [17:50:29] <CrystalMath> i reported all the bugs
1759 [17:50:34] <CrystalMath> but i fixed them locally
1760 [17:50:37] <CrystalMath> because i need these programs
1761 [17:50:49] <kspalaiologos> hello, is anyone here facing an issue with xfce4 on debian? I had xfwm4 version 4.16.0 (revision c697a54ad) for Xfce 4.16 crash on me while using Java applications (swing/awt/alikes) - i had to restart it later. In the kernel logs there was an entry about xfwm getting int3 trap. I later used gdb and virtual tty's to find out the callstack (unfortunately I couldn't take a screenshot, so I had to take a picture of my screen, which seems to be a
1762 [17:50:49] <kspalaiologos> bit blurry): replaced-url
1763 [17:51:34] <kspalaiologos> i've checked the issue tracker on launchpad for ubuntu, and supposedly they faced the same problem as me, but the bug was left hanging without a solution for around a few months now.
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1765 [17:51:52] <n4dir> !testing
1766 [17:51:52] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
1767 [17:52:05] <n4dir> that is the channel you want, kspalaiologos
1768 [17:52:43] <kspalaiologos> thanks a lot, I'll check it,
1769 [17:53:55] <CrystalMath> also i backport nasm
1770 [17:54:21] <CrystalMath> because i really like the new more masm-like syntax
1771 [17:56:04] <CrystalMath> wow i really love the peace and quiet in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
1772 [17:58:20] <CrystalMath> one thing i don't quite understand about devuan... is why avoid systemd if you're gonna use stuff like dbus
1773 [17:58:37] <CrystalMath> elogind is kinda crazy
1774 [17:59:21] <petn-randall> CrystalMath: You'll have to ask #devuan for that.
1775 [18:00:12] <CrystalMath> right
1776 [18:00:29] <CrystalMath> it was suggested to me here, so i'm thinking about it
1777 [18:02:31] <n4dir> and as i told 2 times already i ran in a devuan based nodbus iso. If that is what you want
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1785 [18:11:44] <Fromhell> hallo
1786 [18:12:20] <petn-randall> hi Fromhell
1787 [18:12:26] <Fromhell> hi
1788 [18:12:35] <Fromhell> need help about cockpit
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1790 [18:14:47] <petn-randall> Fromhell: Don't ask to ask, just ask. :)
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1792 [18:22:01] <Fromhell> petn-randall , can you help me whith ssh for web page
1793 [18:23:18] <petn-randall> !ask
1794 [18:23:18] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
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1796 [18:24:29] <Fromhell> petn-randall , what can i install for web ssh ?
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1799 [18:25:51] <sney> Fromhell: your question doesn't make sense, "web ssh" is not a thing. what is your real goal? what have you tried, and what was the result?
1800 [18:25:54] <sney> !your screen
1801 [18:25:54] <dpkg> Your screen is in front of your face. #debian cannot see it. Please give as many details as you can about the problem. It wastes our time and yours when we have to guess what is on your screen. See <context>, <what>
1802 [18:26:27] <Fromhell> sney whant ssh from web my server
1803 [18:26:40] <Fromhell> it like ssh online
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1806 [18:28:06] <wiscii> Fromhell: do you mean, "how can I make my web server use https ?"
1807 [18:29:21] <Fromhell> wiscii i meen like replaced-url
1808 [18:29:38] <simpledat> Hello. How do I run an appimage?
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1810 [18:30:21] <Fromhell> or like shellinaboxd
1811 [18:30:22] <n4dir> simpledat: make sure it is executable and then do: ./AppImageName
1812 [18:30:47] <n4dir> in the directory where it is,else /full/path/AppIamgeName
1813 [18:30:58] <unborn> wiscii: that should be asked somewhere else... I think its off topic - anyway he was rumbling about some what he can install via ssh which is obvious - everything.. if he is about cookpit - he can see manual online and also its off topic...
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1816 [18:31:36] <alex11> you can make it executable by chmod +x <name of appimage>
1817 [18:32:22] <simpledat> n4dir: Should I run it as root or normal user?
1818 [18:32:25] <unborn> simpledat: hello replaced-url
1819 [18:32:39] <n4dir> simpledat: i'd say depends, but usually really as a user. Which Appimage?
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1821 [18:32:49] <simpledat> n4dir: electrum, bitcoin wallet
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1823 [18:33:23] <n4dir> if apps are supposed to be run as root, then usually they should tell you if you run them as user. But brutal truth: i sure don't know
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1826 [18:33:55] <Arrowmaster> if unsure, never run as root
1827 [18:34:05] <n4dir> good point
1828 [18:34:08] <vadershark> i've noticed pulseaudio uses around 5% cpu when idle, anyway to stop this from happening?
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1830 [18:35:10] <wiscii> unborn: sure ;-)
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1836 [18:38:44] <alex11> debian in particular is annoying with electron appimages; you need to enable unprivileged kernel namespaces
1837 [18:38:47] <alex11> sometimes
1838 [18:39:10] <alex11> if you keep getting 'you need to set chrome-sandbox to root and mode 4755'
1839 [18:39:38] <alex11> replaced-url
1840 [18:39:53] <alex11> it's due to be fixed as of bullseye
1841 [18:40:12] <Arrowmaster> its fixed in sid
1842 [18:40:18] <alex11> for programs that *actually have chrome-sandbox in their directory tree* then you can feel free to do as it tells you
1843 [18:40:33] <alex11> but if it mentions /tmp, i'd just do what that lists.debian.org mailing list reply says
1844 [18:40:52] <ratrace> wait, bullseye continues to build without userns? suids chrome?
1845 [18:41:13] <alex11> or if you're paranoid, run your appimage with --no-sandbox and apparmor/firejail that specific appimage
1846 [18:41:14] <simpledat> Thank you
1847 [18:41:54] <simpledat> alex11: Do you recommend me to run it as normal user first?
1848 [18:42:06] <simpledat> Try and see
1849 [18:42:09] <alex11> yes, always run stuff as normal user first, as a general rule
1850 [18:42:15] <alex11> don't use root unless you have to
1851 [18:42:18] <alex11> that goes for anything
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1879 [19:05:45] <alex11> tbh i probably should run more stuff in firejail in the first place...
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1897 [19:17:49] <Azrael_-> hi
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1902 [19:20:30] <petn-randall> hi Azrael_-
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1981 [20:39:48] <Mazhive> hello can some one help me with a debian 10 / 2 gpu (gtx660/gtx1070) and 2 screens using proprietary drivers i get the screens to show in nvidia-settings but only my cursor is showing on the second screen
1982 [20:40:16] <Mazhive> when i try to move a app it does not show in the 2nd screen
1983 [20:40:57] <sney> what if you move the app in the opposite direction? the orientation may not match your monitor placement
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1985 [20:42:07] <spacedust> hello
1986 [20:42:31] <Mazhive> ah i forgot to tell the second screen is a 1024x600 max and the first screen is a 1920 x 1080 max
1987 [20:42:52] <Mazhive> second screen is a 7 inch screen first is a 32 inch
1988 [20:43:39] <sney> in any case, you probably just need to mess with xrandr settings
1989 [20:43:58] <Mazhive> xrandr does not show my second screen
1990 [20:45:57] <Mazhive> arandr too
1991 [20:47:00] <sney> weird. no ideas here, I'll let someone else pick it up
1992 [20:47:48] <Mazhive> when i move my mouse cursor i can see my cursor on the second screen moving
1993 [20:48:32] <Mazhive> how can i make sure both are using the same/proprietary drivers instead of another
1994 [20:48:56] <sney> if you installed the proprietary nvidia driver using the debian package, nouveau is prevented from loading
1995 [20:49:06] <Mazhive> i mean , how can you tell its using the same drivers
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1997 [20:49:18] <sney> you can also look at 'lspci -k' to see what modules are loaded for each card
1998 [20:49:20] <jmcnaught> Why not run both screens from a single GPU?
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2001 [20:50:55] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: I'm not sure what Xorg will do with two active GPUs (personally I passthrough one for VMs).
2002 [20:51:24] <Mazhive> wy because i dont want it. , second i dont have dp cables , third i probably want it to be configured to use it as a kvm dedicated screen but thats for another day
2003 [20:52:27] <Mazhive> zykotick9: true i would do that eventually..
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2005 [20:53:55] <jmcnaught> I do PCI pass-through but I have not tried using the GPU I pass-through on the host when the guest VM is not booted up. Does that work?
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2008 [20:54:43] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: you'd need to remove the "blacklisting" of the passthrough card before the host can use it again.
2009 [20:56:27] <spacedust> why not run one screen with 2 GPUs ? :D
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2011 [20:58:23] <zykotick9> spacedust: that's what I'm doing ;) One monitor, one system, two graphics cards.
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2014 [20:59:34] <spacedust> zykotick9: i was just joking :) but yeah i mean you could have a VM and have pci passtrough with it and plugged into the same monitor different hdmi port :)
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2016 [20:59:52] <spacedust> i once tried pci passtrought didnt succeeded
2017 [21:00:15] <zykotick9> greatest thing since sliced bread (or ssd drives) IMO
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2020 [21:02:11] <wiscii> was sliced bread really that big a thing ? ;-)
2021 [21:02:22] <n4dir> for the ones not able to do it themselves it was
2022 [21:02:45] <wiscii> hard to imagine!
2023 [21:03:41] <n4dir> and you say that after having seen IRC ? ha ha
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2027 [21:04:03] <wiscii> i expect it was more of a status symbol (price hyke) than anything truly useful.
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2029 [21:06:14] <n4dir> or perhaps good knifes were a problem for the poor. No clue
2030 [21:06:33] <n4dir> sandwich bread with a lousy knife sure ain't much fun
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2034 [21:11:11] <wiscii> the expression has been around a long time, so i expect I am just under-estimating the effect because I was not there ;)
2035 [21:11:54] <wiscii> industrial revolution = bread cutting machine !
2036 [21:12:36] <n4dir> ah, i didn't know that expression. thanks for explaining.
2037 [21:12:45] <zykotick9> wiscii: i recently learned the origins to both: "mind your own beeswax" and "freeze the balls off a brass monkey" <- I would never have guessed what either was refering too, because I didn't live it at all.
2038 [21:13:23] <dvs> Arrrrrrr!
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2041 [21:15:13] <wiscii> i know the brass monkeys origin but not the beezwax one .. I'm sure they make a beeswax joke in "Bee-Movie" ;-)
2042 [21:15:26] <n4dir> swedish curtains is a german term for prison. Learned recently it relates to the once very hard swedish steel
2043 [21:16:19] <n4dir> hence the series "swedish dicks" i assume ...
2044 [21:16:22] <wiscii> swedish curtains sounds like something very spicy!
2045 [21:16:33] <wiscii> lol
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2048 [21:17:15] <zykotick9> wiscii: beeswax was used as concealer for men's and women's facial blemishes, so is someone was starring at your face "mind your own beeswax".
2049 [21:17:15] <n4dir> great series to get over the winter, imho. But enough of off-topic, before someone shouts at me.
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2057 [21:18:19] <wiscii> ah yes, the beeswax one I have heard before :)
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2059 [21:18:38] * zykotick9 was ignorant to both
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2062 [21:19:02] <wiscii> do you know the one "Bull in a china shop" ?
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2065 [21:19:28] <wiscii> many people pronounce it "bowel in a china shop" because they don't get the point !
2066 [21:19:38] <wiscii> bowl*
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2068 [21:21:38] <azeem> in germany it's an elephant in the china shop
2069 [21:21:47] <wiscii> haha
2070 [21:21:52] <cheapie> I like how the Debian installer talks about "your hard disk" when this computer has closer to an SD card jammed into an M.2 slot.
2071 [21:22:12] <cheapie> I suppose it gets the point across at least :P
2072 [21:22:54] <sney> general terms are better
2073 [21:23:32] <jelly> noone knows what a block device is.
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2075 [21:24:59] <sney> we will probably still be saying "on disk" when the underlying hardware is, you know, a quantum crystal liquid solution or something.
2076 [21:25:12] * dvs pulls out a Rubik's cube
2077 [21:25:14] <zutat> cheapie: the debian installer "cd image"?
2078 [21:25:34] <cheapie> zutat: I didn't boot from one of those, but... sure, that probably does too.
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2097 [21:38:57] <scruloose> Supposing I want to manually install some Python3 program on Buster (repo version is archaic & no backport available). I want to make the program available systemwide, but use a venv so I can install its Python deps without trashing the system Python libraries that apt manages...
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2099 [21:40:25] <scruloose> Can anybody point me to a howto on that?
2100 [21:41:01] <sney> python's venv docs are pretty good, e.g. replaced-url
2101 [21:41:35] <sney> you can then launch the program systemwide with a simple script in e.g. /usr/local/bin
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2103 [21:43:30] <wiscii> or systemd unit ;-)
2104 [21:43:41] <scruloose> Cool, thanks. Is there a recommended "Debian way" for where to put the venv itself? /usr/local/lib/programname?
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2107 [21:45:10] <scruloose> wiscii: I do like me some systemd units, but the current thing is an interactive utility, so I don't think that's the tool for this job :-)
2108 [21:45:36] <sney> debian recommends unpackaged software be organized under /usr/local, though how you do that is up to you
2109 [21:46:52] <wiscii> scruloose: i just like starting flame wars about systemd (only joking)
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2111 [21:47:15] <jelly> we do not joke about such things in here
2112 [21:48:13] <wiscii> yes .. i know ..
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2114 [21:48:38] <sney> systemd flame wars aren't as bad as they were a few years ago, but still good to tread lightly in a channel of ~1200 users
2115 [21:49:06] <scruloose> Also, I'm not very experienced with virtual environments... Would I create that as a regular user then just move the venv directory to /usr/local/wherever, or does it need to be created with sudo in the location where I want it to end up?
2116 [21:50:44] <sney> treat it like any other program. if it's a binary that can be used by any system user, it's probably owned by root, unless it's a service in which case it should have its own service account
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2120 [21:54:04] <scruloose> Cool, so just to confirm... creating a venv directly in, say, /usr/local/lib/program-venv, activating it, and pip installing some dependencies *all as root* is a safe and reasonable thing to do?
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2124 [21:54:59] <jelly> scruloose, avoid doing it as root. Make the directory writable as a normal user and set it up as a normal user instead
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2128 [21:59:55] <scruloose> jelly: And then I can just chown/chmod -R the whole venv to be root-owned and writable only to root once I have it all set up, I take it?
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2130 [22:01:01] <ghoti> Hi folks. I've got a home-made router with hostapd and friends running, but I need to temporarily attach its wifi interface to another local network. But when I `service hostapd stop`, my wlan0 interface disappears, and `service wpa_supplicant start` does not make it reappear. What am I missing?
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2133 [22:02:03] <jelly> scruloose, yes
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2135 [22:03:22] <wiscii> .oO jelly & wiscii .. sounds like a wine gum! ;-)
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2137 [22:04:11] <wiscii> or trifle
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2139 [22:04:20] <ghoti> all these foods.. jelly,wiskii,ghoti,milkt ;)
2140 [22:04:34] <wiscii> :D
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2142 [22:06:26] <wiscii> lol .. i forgot about ghoti .. fish trifle .. eeereplaced-url
2143 [22:06:44] <wiscii> meh salmon mouse :)
2144 [22:06:59] <wiscii> mousse*
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2147 [22:08:23] <scruloose> jelly: sweet, thanks! I'll go try that.
2148 [22:08:32] <scruloose> wiscii: mouse mousse?
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2151 [22:10:06] <wiscii> moose mouse mousse!
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2153 [22:10:26] * ghoti has Python flashbacks
2154 [22:10:30] * wiscii pipes down before bannishment
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2156 [22:11:22] <scruloose> Muppet show flashback: "Furrst yu tek de chocolate..."
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2158 [22:11:42] <ghoti> Oooh, that was a good episode.
2159 [22:12:18] <wiscii> lol .. showing your age there ;-) all we need now is a mock swedish chef to boil it all up with his curtains!
2160 [22:12:33] <scruloose> Oh, good, I'm not the only one in the room old enough to remember that ;-)
2161 [22:12:50] <wiscii> <- old git too
2162 [22:12:56] <ghoti> I think my fave might have been the "genuine Swedish dish" he made with his uncle, played by Danny Kaye.
2163 [22:13:09] <ghoti> < old cvs
2164 [22:13:25] <wiscii> LMAO! :D
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2166 [22:13:31] <ghoti> (even rcs, which I still use)
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2172 [22:15:52] <wiscii> Remember "Pigs in Space" ? .... how much did the FED "lend" Trump for that ?
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2180 [22:22:35] <Zombie> How do I check if my Kernel has IPX Support compiled in?
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2189 [22:25:26] <sney> Zombie: check for CONFIG_IPX in your /boot/config-$(uname -r) , but according to wikipedia ipx support was dropped from mainline linux in 2018
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2191 [22:26:28] <sney> more info from linus replaced-url
2192 [22:26:55] <sney> er, from gregkh but authoritative anyway
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2202 [22:39:41] <twb> How can I probe an NTP server's stratum without installing ntpsec or ntpd? I don't want to interfere with the works-perfectly-fine systemd-timesyncd.
2203 [22:41:12] <Zombie> sney, Config_IPX=m
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2210 [22:50:34] <jhutchins> twb: On a normal system I would expect ntpq -p
2211 [22:50:50] <jhutchins> Not sure you get ntpq unless you install ntpd though.
2212 [22:50:56] <twb> jhutchins: exactly
2213 [22:51:03] <twb> and busybox doesn't seem to include one, only rdate
2214 [22:51:07] <twb> (as compiled by Debian anyway)
2215 [22:51:36] <twb> and timedatectl only lets me examine the local server i.e. what timedated is actually using
2216 [22:52:09] <jhutchins> twb: ntpstat
2217 [22:52:47] * twb tries
2218 [22:54:31] <twb> jhutchins: sigh that only talks to localhost?
2219 [22:54:51] <twb> Yep
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2222 [22:56:36] <spacedust> whats the best os for a n3050 celeron cpu with 4gb ram ?
2223 [22:57:05] <twb> spacedust: depends what you're doing with it
2224 [22:57:06] <tvm> twb: what about timedatectl show-timesync
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2226 [22:57:17] <tvm> there's NTPMessage in there usually
2227 [22:57:27] <twb> tvm: that only shows the server timedated is using, i.e. pool.ntp.org rather than the test server
2228 [22:57:47] <tvm> oh, you want specific box
2229 [22:57:51] <twb> right
2230 [22:57:59] <spacedust> twb: nothing much just little bit of browsing and general stuff like that facebook or instagram or so
2231 [22:58:12] <twb> I want to say "can I get good time from 172.30.0.1" before I say "get time from 172.30.0.1"
2232 [22:58:16] <jhutchins> ntpq supports remote queries.
2233 [22:58:20] <twb> spacedust: OK so desktop stuff
2234 [22:58:46] <twb> jhutchins: yes but ntpq is not packaged separately. If I "apt install ntp" it will replace timedated with ntpd as the local time server
2235 [22:58:55] <twb> *as the local NTP client
2236 [22:58:58] <jhutchins> twb: I believe that the systemd module is designed to work with NTP, and I've never had any trouble with interference.
2237 [22:59:13] <twb> jhutchins: no
2238 [22:59:27] <jhutchins> Um, 1500 servers say you're wrong.
2239 [22:59:30] <twb> jhutchins: systemd-timedated.service has a rule like StartUnlessExists=/usr/bin/ntpd
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2241 [22:59:45] <twb> jhutchins: the presence of ntpd will prevent timedated from running
2242 [23:00:07] <jhutchins> They can be run in parallel. The documentation is pretty good.
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2244 [23:00:29] <twb> timesyncd will automaticalled disable its NTP client when ntpd is installed.
2245 [23:00:34] <spacedust> twb: yeah
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2249 [23:02:45] <twb> spacedust: Debian will work but if you aren't an expert, you should use whatever your expert friend knows how to support
2250 [23:03:04] <jhutchins> The _default_ is to not run the systed service, but it can be run cooperatively. Hence the command timedatectl ntp with various options.
2251 [23:03:11] <jhutchins> twb: Try timedatectl show-timesync --all
2252 [23:03:52] <twb> jhutchins: that only shows the NTP servers that timesyncd is currently using
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2255 [23:04:56] <twb> Just to repeat: the goal is to sent NTP message 6 to a specific host (172.30.0.1) without in any way changing or affecting the system NTP client (systemd-timesyncd).
2256 [23:04:57] <jhutchins> I believe the cooperative protocol is to run at startup, then hand off to ntpd.
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2258 [23:07:24] <rander2> hello all
2259 [23:07:41] <rander2> I started kismet , and after the server run I try to connect to it with replaced-url
2260 [23:07:56] <rander2> But if I put in listing a port with: nc -l -p 2000 and after try to connect to it, I see the browser's banner
2261 [23:09:00] <rander2> and connection go with nc 127.0.0.1 2501. So I don't understand what is wrong
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2266 [23:12:59] <rander2> replaced-url
2267 [23:13:45] <kline\0> rander2: thats the output when you nc to 2501?
2268 [23:14:09] <rander2> kline\0, kismet server
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2270 [23:14:20] <rander2> as I explained before
2271 [23:14:33] <twb> rander2: this is kismet the 802.11 cracking tool?
2272 [23:14:43] <twb> That looks more like IRC stuff
2273 [23:14:44] <rander2> obvious
2274 [23:14:54] <kline\0> rander2: when you nc 127.0.0.1 2501
2275 [23:14:57] <kline\0> this is what you get out?
2276 [23:14:59] <twb> never mind, I'm an idiot
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2278 [23:15:11] <rander2> kline\0, yes, I paste
2279 [23:15:26] <kline\0> this isnt http, so if you connect a browser to 127.0.0.1:2501, it wont render anything
2280 [23:15:30] <rander2> kline\0, but it's unreachable from browser
2281 [23:15:33] <kline\0> because 2501 is sending the wrong protocol
2282 [23:16:02] <rander2> kline\0, on readme file tell to set the server from browser
2283 [23:16:17] <kline\0> youll need to read the docs some more or ask the kismet people
2284 [23:16:30] <twb> rander2: have you asked #kismet on freenode?
2285 [23:16:31] <kline\0> but whats going wrong is obvious: :2501 isnt a http port
2286 [23:16:47] <rander2> official web site
2287 [23:17:36] <wiscii> "set the server from browser" is not exactly authoritive ..
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2289 [23:18:21] <rander2> replaced-url
2290 [23:18:45] <rander2> the official web site say to do this
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2301 [23:23:12] <wsky> when replaced-url
2302 [23:23:48] <rander2> I'm using buster
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2304 [23:24:28] <Arrowmaster> wsky: when bullseye is released
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2308 [23:26:36] <wiscii> rander2: did you see httpd here: replaced-url
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2313 [23:28:26] <rander2> wiscii, replaced-url
2314 [23:28:45] <rander2> #Navigate to the Web UIPermalink
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2319 [23:29:58] <wiscii> rander2: "Kismet is primarily configured through a set of configuration text files"
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2321 [23:30:46] <rander2> wiscii, Point your browser at replaced-url
2322 [23:30:46] <rander2> If you are running Kismet on your laptop (or other system with a browser), you can see the Kismet UI at replaced-url
2323 [23:30:57] <rander2> ok excuse me
2324 [23:31:09] <rander2> but this is written in the official web site
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2326 [23:31:52] <wiscii> rander2: 22:16:31 kline\0 | but whats going wrong is obvious: :2501 isnt a http port
2327 [23:32:32] <kline\0> wiscii: ask the kismet people, this isnt really a debian issue
2328 [23:32:37] <Zombie> Is anyone here good at diagnosing PAM?
2329 [23:32:40] <wiscii> agreed
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2331 [23:32:51] <kline\0> oh, sorry
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2333 [23:33:06] <wiscii> np :)
2334 [23:33:11] <kline\0> rander2: kismet is clearly doing something since there is information coming from :2501, but its also clearly not an http port
2335 [23:33:15] <rander2> however browser don't show ascii chars without html tags, I didn't know. Now I know. I'll write to kismet developers
2336 [23:33:27] <kline\0> you should speak to the kismet people since this is not a debian issue but one of kismets documentatino
2337 [23:33:30] <wiscii> +1
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2356 [23:53:52] <twb> SOLVED
2357 [23:54:02] <twb> jhutchins: /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_ntp_time -H 172.30.0.1 ===> NTP OK: Offset -0.0009749531746 secs|offset=-0.000975s;60.000000;120.000000;
2358 [23:54:07] <twb> FYI
2359 [23:54:16] <twb> I should have just said "screw you ISC" and gone straight to that
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2361 [23:57:20] <Zombie> I just fixed PAM.
2362 [23:57:48] <twb> Zombie: like a dog? ;-)
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