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16 [00:13:00] <jhutchins> patti2: Why? What are you really trying to do?
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68 [01:06:52] <oxek> I see debian 10 has 'lxc.apparmor.allow_nesting = 1' by default in /etc/lxc/default.conf. I'm only just starting with learning lxc, is there a good reason for me to keep nesting enabled or does that possibly break something?
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112 [02:05:29] <oxek> nevermind, I can't even get lxc to work in the first place
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116 [02:10:25] <quadrathoch2> oxek what doesn't work?
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119 [02:10:44] <quadrathoch2> and the nesting is on other distros most of the time disabled because of security reasons afair
120 [02:11:39] <oxek> replaced-url
121 [02:11:49] <oxek> when I try: lxc-create -t download -n test
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123 [02:12:08] <oxek> it looks to be a known issue, fixed in bullseye
124 [02:12:18] <oxek> so gotta wait for bullseye to hit stable
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126 [02:12:33] <oxek> apparently nobody runs lxc on debian stable...
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128 [02:13:23] <abrotman> judd: versions lxc
129 [02:13:24] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; buster: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; bullseye: 1:4.0.4-6; sid: 1:4.0.5-2
130 [02:13:34] <abrotman> oxek: you could try to backport it yourself
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132 [02:13:56] <quadrathoch2> ,checkbackport lxc
133 [02:14:26] <judd> Backporting package lxc in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
134 [02:14:36] <abrotman> LAME!
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136 [02:15:31] <quadrathoch2> so should be very doable
137 [02:15:40] <oxek> debhelper-compat can be ignored
138 [02:16:27] <oxek> trouble is that I wanted to create an lxc container to have a build environment for backports...
139 [02:16:36] <oxek> ironic
140 [02:16:52] <quadrathoch2> xD
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151 [02:27:39] <patti2> jhutchins: tmp is mounted with noexec and the scripts fail because of the missing permission
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163 [02:32:05] <oxek> /tmp really shouldn't be mounted noexec because so many things assume /tmp is executable
164 [02:32:20] <oxek> I know there are hardening guides that suggest it though
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166 [02:32:42] <oxek> in my experience it breaks more things, and the protection is minimal
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203 [03:18:51] <oxek> 'sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1' fixes my issue
204 [03:18:54] <oxek> I don't know why
205 [03:19:09] <oxek> and i don't know if I've done something bad by running that
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211 [03:26:43] <quadrathoch2> oxek you didn't break anything, (debian mentions it rips open a few security measures, but debian is the only distro doing this)
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217 [03:29:37] <oxek> thank you for easing my worries
218 [03:30:07] <oxek> it was either this, or creating privileged containers that always run as root
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235 [03:43:43] <oxek> well, now I can at least create the container, but it still does not start
236 [03:43:48] <oxek> at least there's progress
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273 [04:09:13] <b1ackandwh1te_> I sell my soul to the one that guide my in fixing my vsftpd
274 [04:09:45] <b1ackandwh1te_> I cant connect but I did all the google can provide
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276 [04:11:52] <b1ackandwh1te_> what if I pay 0,00065 Bitcoin after the job? you have my word. Im old user here.
277 [04:15:52] <quadrathoch2> i mean without giving any information, nobody _can_ help you
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279 [04:17:02] <b1ackandwh1te_> the vsftpd is installed and configured, I allowed the port with ufw, but I cant connect with filezilla
280 [04:17:04] <clime> hello, is the alternatives system able to deal with shared libraries instead of programs??
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283 [04:18:05] <b1ackandwh1te_> quadrathoch2, ask for any information from my system.
284 [04:18:16] <sney> b1ackandwh1te_: ftp uses more than one port, so if you only allowed 1 port, that's probably the issue.
285 [04:18:26] <clime> i.e. what if one program (which is set as an alternative) requires one version of certain shared library and another program (set also as an alternative) requires another version of that same library
286 [04:18:43] <sney> typically this will be 21 for the command port and 20 for the data port, though check your vsftpd conf to be sure
287 [04:19:51] <quadrathoch2> clime all packages in debian require most of the time the same lib. but there are also versioned libs (for example libdvdcss and libdvdcss2 (so both can be installed side by side)
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289 [04:20:25] <b1ackandwh1te_> ufw allows port 20 and 21
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291 [04:21:03] <sney> alright, turn off the firewall temporarily and see if it works, so you know where to focus
292 [04:21:06] <cybercrypto> b1ackandwh1te_: to only only port 21, you must enable passive mode. documentation about command and data transport is plenty. Do you see nftables blocking packets? What do you see in vsftpd logs?
293 [04:21:13] <b1ackandwh1te_> ok
294 [04:21:13] <clime> quadrathoch2: ye, i am not sure right now if the binaries reference always full names of shared libraries or just major-numbered name
295 [04:21:26] <oxek> b1ackandwh1te_: how did you enable ftp in ufw? Did you run 'ufw allow ftp' ?
296 [04:21:42] <clime> if full name, then there is no problem because the symbolic name will be probably only used for building stuff but not for execution...
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298 [04:23:20] <sney> clime: see glx-diversions, which basically implements alternatives for libgl
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300 [04:24:03] <clime> sney: i am tyring it actually on CentOS so i probably can't try...
301 [04:24:29] <clime> glx-diversions package configures alternatives for the libgl library?
302 [04:24:40] <sney> replaced-url
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304 [04:25:29] <skyliner_369> I'm looking into VS alternatives that I can use on... well you get the idea
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306 [04:25:40] <clime> sney: ok, thanks that application makes sense
307 [04:25:40] <b1ackandwh1te_> I disabled ufw, but still cant connect. oxek I did ufw allow 21
308 [04:25:55] <clime> interesting
309 [04:26:10] <kline\0> skyliner_369: VS?
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312 [04:26:50] <skyliner_369> VS for visual studio. I know Linux has code but that's a kinda bad code editor at best
313 [04:27:09] <kline\0> what language?
314 [04:27:14] <cybercrypto> b1ackandwh1te_: what do you see in the vsftpd logs?
315 [04:27:16] <magic_ninja> yea, I don't get all the hype for VS Code. I hate it
316 [04:27:18] <kline\0> visual studio covers a lot
317 [04:27:34] <clime> so I can you can use on all: programs, libraries, man pages... that's quite cool
318 [04:27:53] <sney> do you want all of the general IDE features, or just a good code editor?
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320 [04:28:22] <skyliner_369> To the questions from you two... yes.
321 [04:28:46] <kline\0> i didnt realise there was a yeslang
322 [04:29:10] <skyliner_369> Yes just means all the languages lol
323 [04:29:14] <skyliner_369> Amyway
324 [04:29:38] <kline\0> linux users dont tend to use 10GB+ all-language IDEs
325 [04:29:50] <kline\0> if you want a jack of all trades ide, there is eclipse
326 [04:29:55] <b1ackandwh1te_> from log UFW BLOCK, but is disabled now and I still cant login.
327 [04:30:02] <kline\0> if you want a consistent interface, look at jetbrains free offerings
328 [04:30:12] <skyliner_369> Most important are C(++ & #) and Vulcan
329 [04:30:29] <magic_ninja> There is always visual studio in a VM
330 [04:30:33] <cybercrypto> dmesdg
331 [04:30:37] <kline\0> try Jetbrains CLion (do they have a free version of that?)
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333 [04:32:08] <skyliner_369> I know Vulcan isn't a language but I meant a good C family ide with good Vulcan tools
334 [04:32:35] <dvs> !start an editor war
335 [04:32:36] <dpkg> nvi is known to repel members of your preferred sex.
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337 [04:33:29] <b1ackandwh1te_> if anybody is up to help open a private chat I will give the user password and server, is easy 0,00065 Bitcoin
338 [04:34:06] <clime> so only soname shared lib names are stored in binaries (i.e. minor versions are omitted)
339 [04:34:20] <b1ackandwh1te_> I bet for a professional system administrator is piece of cake
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341 [04:35:01] <clime> (according to SO)
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361 [04:40:20] <clime> did anyone tried to run debian with/on ostree?
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367 [04:40:47] <clime> *try
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373 [04:42:24] <skyliner_369> so yeah my *first* goal is to draw a cube in Vulkan using a program written in C++
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401 [05:05:49] <quadrathoch2> oxek did you get everything running?
402 [05:06:02] <quadrathoch2> with lxc? tried it out, but can't get dns working :(
403 [05:06:15] <oxek> quadrathoch2: still working on it
404 [05:06:28] <oxek> really looks like everyone runs lxc as root
405 [05:06:32] <quadrathoch2> oxek what issue do you have?
406 [05:06:49] <quadrathoch2> oxek yeah :/ can't get it also to run on user :( but it should be possible
407 [05:06:58] <oxek> I now get this:
408 [05:07:01] <oxek> lxc-start: test: lsm/apparmor.c: apparmor_prepare: 974 Cannot use generated profile: apparmor_parser not available
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411 [05:07:05] <oxek> even though I have apparmor
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414 [05:07:58] <quadrathoch2> !test
415 [05:07:58] <dpkg> Test failed.
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417 [05:10:03] <oxek> I'm slowly working on it
418 [05:10:16] <oxek> all the lovely strace parsing...
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421 [05:14:33] <quadrathoch2> oxek i guess you are already further than I am, and additionally i am on bullseye :/
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427 [05:18:39] <oxek> bullseye should work with no issues, it has lxc4
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429 [05:19:30] <quadrathoch2> oxek doesn't work here :/
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431 [05:20:38] <oxek> I know how you feel
432 [05:20:42] <oxek> we're not alone
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438 [05:26:06] <quadrathoch2> oxek how far did you get?
439 [05:26:36] <quadrathoch2> so now I can create lxcs but can't do anything with them :/ not even start
440 [05:30:38] <quadrathoch2> hm, with virt-manager (the cheaty way) I can start containers, but can't use the internet. the instant i got internet (without dns) my internet doesn't work anymore on the host :(
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445 [05:32:32] <oxek> I wanted to avoid the cheaty way of virt-manager, because I need to use other tooling afterwards anyway
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448 [05:33:12] <oxek> I'm at the point of rereading all the guides again to see if I missed anything. Debian wiki, ubuntu servers article on lxc, linux containers homepage, archwiki, ...
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452 [05:36:22] <quadrathoch2> oxek just wanted to make sure that it works at all ;) will be removed after I get it to working
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458 [05:47:28] <oxek> things work fine here if I run everything as root... but I don't want to do that
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460 [05:52:41] <quadrathoch2> yeah for me too
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467 [06:05:51] <quadrathoch2> can I ask you what kind of error you get? oxek
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626 [09:26:57] <awal1> a general question, not debian related: If I'm filling a form on a secured website but I stop what I'm doing before I finish all the steps , the information I gave (can be personal) are saved in the website? the website owner have access to it?
627 [09:27:51] <awal1> i guess yes/it depends on I don't know what ...
628 [09:28:25] <aminvakil> not before you have pushed the send button (enter button) or whatever button it is to send the form
629 [09:28:27] <aminvakil> but
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631 [09:29:12] <aminvakil> but webpage could have a ajax function which sends data using javascript which is client-side to the server
632 [09:31:48] <awal1> aminvakil, a simple example: you are creating an account in a government website and there is like 3 steps to finish creating your account. you pass the first step , clicking 'next', and you stop at the second step. what you put in te first step is saved?
633 [09:32:19] <awal1> `that is the case i'm asking about
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638 [09:42:42] <tomreyn> awal1: depends on how the application is done. it is most likely transferred to the server that way. and especially government websites tend to store as much as they can.
639 [09:43:19] <tomreyn> but, as you said, not reall yon topic here
640 [09:43:30] <awal1> :)
641 [09:44:25] <awal1> aminvakil, tomreyn , thanks for your attention :) i have enough info from where i can start searching ;) thanks
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677 [10:34:47] <unixbsd> the lyx do require the file: lgrenc.def. Could it be added with apt-get ?
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680 [10:36:48] <unixbsd> I got with tex live extra and packge greek from texlive.
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695 [10:52:00] <judd> Package: taskwarrior on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.0+dfsg-3; stretch: 2.5.1+dfsg-3; stretch-backports: 2.5.1+dfsg-5~bpo9+1; buster: 2.5.1+dfsg-7; bullseye: 2.5.1+dfsg-11; sid: 2.5.2+dfsg-1
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775 [12:46:56] <ratrace> judd: checkbackport qemu-system-x86
776 [12:47:00] <judd> Backporting package qemu-system-x86 in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), meson (>> 0.55.3-1~), libcapstone-dev (>> 4.0.2~).
777 [12:48:53] <ratrace> I wants shiny qemu. suggestions?
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782 [12:53:49] <BCMM> ratrace: is there a specific feature or version number that constitutes shininess?
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785 [12:55:36] <ratrace> BCMM: 5.0+
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791 [13:00:56] <ratrace> I'll try a sid debootstrap with nspawn, but I'm not sure one can do virt from a nspawn container
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801 [13:09:31] <strk> I'm having problems with termcap, how can I debug ?
802 [13:09:47] <strk> the problem I have: some console client show text like "M-b~BM-"
803 [13:09:49] <strk> text snippets
804 [13:10:13] <strk> here I'm using weechat which seem to be fine (includes colors)
805 [13:10:39] <strk> the one I'm having problems with is Mutt 1.12+9
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810 [13:18:56] <strk> oh well, upgrading mutt fixed it
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852 [13:58:10] <nifker> What are the dev libs for ffmpeg called?
853 [14:02:28] <asymptotically> nifker: have a look at this page replaced-url
854 [14:02:37] <asymptotically> you have things like libavcodec-dev, libpostproc-dev, etc.
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887 [14:47:46] <Hobbes`> Does a package need to build for all architectures in Sid before it auto migrates into Bullseye?
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890 [14:48:21] <Hobbes`> Or do packages migrate architecture by architecture?
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894 [14:53:38] <ratrace> could be wrong, but I think it needs to build for all arches, I remember that because I used to be annoyed by the fact that a missing non-x86 build that maybe five people is using, would block x86 with 99%+ users
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916 [15:32:31] <dff> hi i followed the steps replaced-url
917 [15:33:28] <dff> lightdm config replaced-url
918 [15:33:41] <dff> do i need to create the autologin group and add my user too it?
919 [15:33:50] <dff> from what i read that only needed to be done on arch
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925 [15:35:52] <ratrace> dff: there's logs in /var/log/lightdm/ that could further explain the problem
926 [15:36:27] <ratrace> so far your first paste only shows that it failed to start because the process itself exited with a non-zero exit code
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928 [15:37:25] <dff> ratrace: replaced-url
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930 [15:38:25] <ratrace> seems like the options you used are unknown to lightdm
931 [15:38:53] <ratrace> also the greeter config seems to be off or missing
932 [15:39:23] <ratrace> can you please pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep lightdm ?
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936 [15:43:20] <dff> ratrace: replaced-url
937 [15:43:35] <dff> i apt purged lightdm and installed again
938 [15:44:23] <dff> used/usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf as conf file as seems to be the default
939 [15:46:23] <ratrace> dff: but otherwise your lightdm normally starts with the gtk greeter?
940 [15:46:33] <ratrace> only when you try to fiddle with autologin options it fails?
941 [15:50:36] <dff> ratrace: all good now
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943 [15:51:33] <dff> first time around i deleted /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/01_debian.conf i edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
944 [15:52:01] <dff> after the reinstall i just edited /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf and all worked well
945 [15:52:23] <dff> thanks for your help
946 [15:53:08] <n4dir> i think usually you copy the config files from /usr/share to wherever you need it (either the hidden user configs or /etc)
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949 [15:54:18] <ratrace> dff: you shouldn't be editing files in /usr tho
950 [15:54:37] <dff> why not?
951 [15:54:47] <ratrace> your changes will be overwritten on next package update
952 [15:54:53] <dff> ah
953 [15:55:19] <dff> well, lightdm seems to want to use that config file as the first choice
954 [15:55:31] <n4dir> perhaps ratrace can confirm. I think it simply is the default procedure.
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959 [15:57:08] <dff> i moved the changes to /etc../lightdm.conf
960 [15:57:59] <dff> all good
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962 [15:58:13] <dff> works as intended now :D
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964 [16:01:46] <ratrace> n4dir: I don't know, but a common pattern would be to try paths in order, /etc before /usr/share/ where some default configs usually reside
965 [16:02:00] <ratrace> there's no lightdm.conf manpage to verify that
966 [16:02:14] <dff> linux can read and write to NTFS correct?
967 [16:02:18] <ratrace> and lightdm(1) only mentions /etc/ files
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969 [16:02:32] <ratrace> dff: via FUSE, yes, package ntfs3g
970 [16:02:41] <ratrace> ntfs-3g
971 [16:02:58] <dff> is there any filesystem that linux and windows both can read and write to natively?
972 [16:03:17] <ratrace> fat32
973 [16:03:19] <wigums> ntfs
974 [16:03:23] <another> fat*, exfat
975 [16:03:32] <n4dir> ratrace: well, i hardly run in the problem. Usually i either get a config in home or /etc automatically, after starting the "app". The only exception, for me, is mocp (which i cp from /usr to home)
976 [16:03:42] <ratrace> and NTFS will be Soon(tm) if those kernel patches are finally accepted, by whatsitcalled company
977 [16:03:45] <n4dir> as in: i am not too sure, but always thought about it as said
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979 [16:04:36] <n4dir> lightdm seems to be the source of many problems. You read about it 3 times a week ...
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981 [16:05:28] <dff> NTFS will do, my problem is i cant differentiate between the windows system disk and the newly formatted NTFS disk
982 [16:05:31] <dff> they are both 1 TB
983 [16:05:40] <dff> so both show as 1.0 TB Volume
984 [16:05:51] <ratrace> n4dir: maybe if one fiddles with it. I use lightdm, stock config, never had an issue
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986 [16:06:00] <n4dir> ratrace: i sure believe you
987 [16:06:13] <ratrace> dff: mount with ntfs3g and see the contents?
988 [16:06:18] <dff> how would i label them in a fashion both windows and debian till read and display properly?
989 [16:06:35] <dff> yeah but it's a 50/50 chance i mount the correct one
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991 [16:06:37] <ratrace> (gpt) partitions can have labels
992 [16:07:00] <ratrace> then on linux mount via /dev/disk/by-partlabel/
993 [16:08:27] <dff> thanks
994 [16:08:40] <dff> i added the label in gparted
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1038 [16:57:32] <jhutchins> mpv doesn't have much of a user interface.
1039 [16:58:02] <wsky> well, it has cli
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1043 [17:02:14] <Tenkawa> jhutchins: so hey. gotta ask... you guys get many people wander over here asking about regular Debian (not Raspberry PI OS) on the PI in here nowadays?
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1045 [17:04:16] <jhutchins> Yeah, mostly regular Debian.
1046 [17:04:45] <Tenkawa> but I mean for the PI though
1047 [17:04:51] <jhutchins> Many trying to do something devious and ill advised, but sometimes just basic stuff that's easy.
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1049 [17:04:54] <Tenkawa> do you have many pi users come in here?
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1052 [17:05:58] <jhutchins> Tenkawa: Yeah, we get some. Not a lot. The raspian folks we refer elsewhere, because that's not actually Debian, but we do see people who have installed/are installing straight Debian on a Pi.
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1054 [17:06:35] <Tenkawa> yeah.. I'm one of those
1055 [17:06:49] <Tenkawa> I'm running Debian 64 bit on everything
1056 [17:07:39] <dob1> after 2021-01-12 no packages can be added to bullseye?
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1058 [17:07:59] <Tenkawa> wow thats its cutoff eh?
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1061 [17:09:00] <jhutchins> dob1: You're the first to mention it.
1062 [17:09:21] <jhutchins> dob1: I haven't seen an official freeze yet.
1063 [17:09:32] <n4dir> dob1: soft freeze, hard freeze, full freeze. You want more details? I don't know more.
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1065 [17:09:57] <n4dir> i just say: it slows down, until no more packages get in at all, not even many to sid
1066 [17:10:11] <dob1> "Transition and (build-)essentials Freeze"
1067 [17:10:49] <dob1> I read it here replaced-url
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1069 [17:11:11] <jhutchins> !freeze
1070 [17:11:11] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for a few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'.
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1082 [17:20:52] <jennie> hello, i am running debian 10, i change brigthness settings as root but after reboot it goes to 100% brightness again :/
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1086 [17:23:34] <unixbsd> do you eventually know if there is a build of mednafen-server for linux debian?
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1089 [17:29:37] <jhutchins> ,v mednafen
1090 [17:29:38] <judd> Package: mednafen on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.36.4-1; stretch: 0.9.41+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 1.22.1+dfsg-2~deb10u1; bullseye: 1.26.1+dfsg-1; sid: 1.26.1+dfsg-1
1091 [17:30:51] <jennie> how should i fix brightness to apply setting permanently?
1092 [17:30:56] <unixbsd> you mean, that it does server as well?
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1094 [17:31:14] <jhutchins> jennie: What desktop are you using?
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1096 [17:31:24] <jhutchins> ,v mednafen-server
1097 [17:31:25] <judd> No package named 'mednafen-server' was found in amd64.
1098 [17:31:36] <Tenkawa> yeah I tried that first
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1100 [17:31:47] <Tenkawa> that has to be done by hand still
1101 [17:31:59] <Tenkawa> easy one to build
1102 [17:32:05] <Tenkawa> x86 and arm bith
1103 [17:32:08] <Tenkawa> er both
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1105 [17:32:34] <Tenkawa> but it would need a maintainer/packaging
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1107 [17:34:46] <jhutchins> !search
1108 [17:34:46] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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1112 [17:39:16] <menace> which python will be the standard one in the next debian release?
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1119 [17:45:05] <sney> menace: looks like it'll be 3.9
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1127 [17:48:36] <menace> sney, thanks.
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1211 [19:28:03] <godane> so here is proof of my problem with overlay using 5.10.0-1-amd64 : replaced-url
1212 [19:28:48] <godane> the etc/hosts file came from the lowerdir
1213 [19:28:58] <godane> but its un-editable in union
1214 [19:29:31] <godane> you can add files but can't modified ANY files that are from lowerdir
1215 [19:29:50] <godane> this started in kernel 5.9
1216 [19:30:09] <godane> i don't have a problem with kernel 5.8 using overlay
1217 [19:31:08] <sney> godane: I see 5.10.0-1 is only in sid currently; testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on oftc (note, right now you are on freenode).
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1221 [19:32:08] <sney> you may also want to check bugs.debian.org/linux to see if this issue has been reported or addressed already.
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1266 [20:06:43] <tp43_> anyone know server name for pidgin with sipe plugin. I tried proto SIMPLE and Office Communicator, but no idea what to put for server. I tried skype.com and also I googled and found a long url, but it didn't work either
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1277 [20:16:53] <cluelessperson> I'm a little confused on something. If a machine is experiencing bottlenecks, how can I identify them?
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1279 [20:17:02] <cluelessperson> I don't think I'm seeing anything obvious via top/htop.
1280 [20:17:08] <cluelessperson> ram cpu seem fine
1281 [20:17:12] <cluelessperson> disk seems fine
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1283 [20:17:22] <tp43_> cluelessperson, then you do not have any bottle knecks.
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1285 [20:17:48] <cluelessperson> tp43_, I was helping someone with a server and they seem to think they should be seeing more connections, and certain commands seem slow to respond.
1286 [20:18:09] <cluelessperson> I think it's just from increased netio maybe, but I don't know how to tell if connections are being dropped?
1287 [20:18:36] <tvm> connections ? what service ? how many workers ? checked the logs ?
1288 [20:19:12] <tp43_> they changed a lot with that stuff latelybut maybe netstat will still be the one. It will tell you all ports you are listening and I think even traffic, or there are other tools for monitoring traffic.
1289 [20:19:42] <tp43_> cluelessperson, dmesg
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1292 [20:19:55] <ratrace> first step in troubleshooing is precisely, unambiguously defining the observed issue.
1293 [20:20:02] <ratrace> "bottlenecks" doesn't mean anything
1294 [20:20:23] <tp43_> ratrace, he said commands are slow to return compared to the usual
1295 [20:20:30] <ratrace> that also doesn't mean much
1296 [20:20:33] <tvm> tp43_: "commands" is very vague
1297 [20:20:49] <ratrace> what commands, what is the expected "time to return", what is observed time, ....
1298 [20:21:04] <tp43_> it is wierd that they are slow, and yet you do not see anything on top.
1299 [20:21:17] <ratrace> thta's pure speculation tho
1300 [20:21:41] <tp43_> btw, I tried to do killall firefox-esr but the command is gone
1301 [20:21:53] <tp43_> did they change things, how do we killall now?
1302 [20:22:07] <tvm> pkill ?
1303 [20:22:16] <cluelessperson> tvm, nginx load balancing to several other instances. ~1300 connections, 1 worker it looks like nginx has by default.
1304 [20:22:21] <cluelessperson> tvm, nothing in logs that seems obvious.
1305 [20:22:25] <ratrace> what command is gone? /usr/bin/killall is present on my buster
1306 [20:22:26] <tp43_> When me computer goes slow, I will see firefox-esr going crazy and top of the top list
1307 [20:22:55] <tp43_> uname -what to see debian distro name
1308 [20:23:00] <tvm> cluelessperson: your bottleneck can be your instances
1309 [20:23:04] <wsky> there are also iotop and iftop
1310 [20:23:04] <Gerowen> Is there an approved method of running custom commands for an unattended-upgrade reboot? I could obviously edit the Python file /etc/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown, but would like to avoid that if possible. Mainly I just want to run my own script to do things like notify Minecraft players before a reboot.
1311 [20:23:10] <cluelessperson> tvm, how can I identify?
1312 [20:23:12] <tp43_> Yep, I have buster too, but no killall
1313 [20:23:22] * cluelessperson is trying to make sure he's clera on identifying netio bottlenecks.
1314 [20:23:25] <tvm> cluelessperson: start with verbose nginx logging
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1316 [20:23:47] <ratrace> tp43_: it's part of the psmisc package, maybe you don't have it installed
1317 [20:24:06] <ratrace> hmm it seems on my machine it was pulled in by php
1318 [20:24:10] <tp43_> ratrace, thx, let me check. I just did full desktop with xfce install
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1321 [20:25:07] <tp43_> ratrace, I installed Web Server too. Anyway, I install that psmisc and now I got it. Thanks again my good man.
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1333 [20:37:38] <cluelessperson> okay, I think that nginx defaults to a single worker_process and I think that may be the bottleneck here as a load balancer.
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1335 [20:38:13] <ratrace> is the process at 100% cpu at all times?
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1337 [20:39:17] <cluelessperson> ratrace, looks like 6%
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1340 [20:39:54] <ratrace> then I don't think it is. nginx' event base paradigm can serve really a LOT with single process alone
1341 [20:40:10] <ratrace> based*
1342 [20:40:17] <cluelessperson> ratrace, how many is a lot? these are currently ~1300 tcp streams
1343 [20:40:39] <ratrace> it's a C10K server, it can easily handle 10 thousand concurrent connections, by its design alone
1344 [20:40:40] <cluelessperson> ratrace, like, even sshing into the machine, running commands generally seems slow
1345 [20:40:51] <cluelessperson> docker stat doesn't respond, but I think that's a bug.
1346 [20:40:58] <cluelessperson> autocompletion is slow
1347 [20:41:06] <ratrace> question is, of coruse, what those connections are doing, and one will sooner saturate the pps, or disk iops, before reaching the max nginx can do
1348 [20:41:31] <cluelessperson> ratrace, yes, but how do I know what that max is and what's being slow or not?
1349 [20:41:46] <cluelessperson> like, I don't understand what the capacity is or how to understand how much of that capacity is being used
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1351 [20:41:58] <cluelessperson> that might be dynamic, but, t
1352 [20:42:04] <cluelessperson> cpu 100% would be obvious
1353 [20:42:09] <cluelessperson> no ram available would be obvious
1354 [20:42:14] <ratrace> well if the process is not hogging the cpu at 100%, then it likely is not saturated there. as a load balancer, it probably doesn't serve files from disk? or does it? do you have iostats?
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1356 [20:43:29] <cluelessperson> ratrace, the instances it's load balancing for are likely hammering disk a bit.
1357 [20:43:53] <ratrace> but those are separate machines
1358 [20:44:28] <ratrace> you need to eliminate one by one to see where the problem might be; for each machine check cpu, io stats, and network stats like bandwidth utilized and more importantly packets per second
1359 [20:44:52] <cluelessperson> ratrace, same machine, separate processes.
1360 [20:45:35] <ratrace> what kind of set up is that? o.O load balancing is useful when you have multiple machines, not really for one machine
1361 [20:46:17] <ratrace> or is it one of those situations where a web application can't handle itself in multiprocess environment, so you start it multiple times, and then "loadbalance" from nginx?
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1365 [20:48:36] <tp43_> I need unrar, can't find it
1366 [20:48:42] <cluelessperson> ratrace, yes, the latter.
1367 [20:49:14] <cluelessperson> ratrace, iotstat reports tps at ~55, I'm wondering if their disk is remote
1368 [20:49:20] <ratrace> tp43_: there's both `unrar` and `unrar-free` packages
1369 [20:49:42] <ratrace> cluelessperson: and what about bandwidth
1370 [20:49:52] <ratrace> disk io bandwidth
1371 [20:49:53] <cluelessperson> looks like the disk is local
1372 [20:50:07] <tp43_> ratrace, yeah, that is what I remember, but I can't find it. I have main contrib non-free in my sources
1373 [20:50:20] <cluelessperson> ratrace, about 500kB/s read and write
1374 [20:50:47] <ratrace> tp43_: `unrar-free` is in main
1375 [20:50:49] <tp43_> oh you know what, only me updates have contib non-free
1376 [20:50:52] <ratrace> the other is in non-free
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1379 [20:51:41] <tp43_> ratrace, must be in contrib then, cause just anti-virus utilitywas coming up, libclamunrar
1380 [20:51:58] <ratrace> cluelessperson: assuming sata disks that doesn't look nowhere near saturated
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1382 [20:52:30] <ratrace> tp43_: `unrar-free` is in main
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1384 [20:52:57] <cluelessperson> ratrace, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
1385 [20:53:20] <ratrace> cluelessperson: is that a VM or a dedicated server?
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1387 [20:53:39] <tp43_> ratrace, oh yeah, you know what I did, I commented it out, cause I thought it was duplicate. I mixed up buster and buster-updates. I thought they were duplicates.
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1391 [21:00:10] <jhutchins> Is the primary use case for rar stll splitting pirated video files?
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1398 [21:02:43] <rander2> hello
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1400 [21:03:18] <rander2> anyone here know cloud computing on replaced-url
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1405 [21:05:41] <cluelessperson> ratrace, seems like a dedicated server.
1406 [21:07:29] <cluelessperson> ratrace, as an example. running top/htop takes several seconds to ome up
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1408 [21:09:57] <rander2> ratrace ?
1409 [21:10:06] <cluelessperson> rander2, they're a user.
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1411 [21:10:13] <cluelessperson> I'm talking to. :P
1412 [21:10:30] <rander2> ok, u are speaking to him
1413 [21:10:40] <cluelessperson> yeah
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1416 [21:12:46] <ratrace> cluelessperson: and if you shut down nginx for a minute or few?
1417 [21:13:05] <rander2> cluelessperson , do u know a gpu cloude computing provider ? vast.ai , but it is low supported
1418 [21:13:29] <cluelessperson> ratrace, I'd prefer not to. I'm not sure what that would buy me though.
1419 [21:13:38] <cluelessperson> rander2, I'm not familiar with gpu cloud computing unfortunately. :)
1420 [21:13:45] <cluelessperson> completely outside my skillset.
1421 [21:13:57] <cluelessperson> I can probably run things you hand me eventually, but otherwise :D
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1426 [21:16:48] <ratrace> cluelessperson: it'd allow you to test system responsiveness with one variable less in the equation. if you can't do it for say 10 seconds .... how do you do reboots for kernel upgrades?
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1428 [21:19:51] <cluelessperson> ratrace, kernel upgrades are often in place at this point I thought. but I'd rather identify the issue before doing things that may make it disappear.
1429 [21:20:44] <ratrace> if the issue disappears when you turn off nginx, you'll have eliminated all else to be the cause of your problem (which then remains in either nginx or the processes it loadbalances to)
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1432 [21:22:10] <cluelessperson> ratrace, I don't want to remove the load
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1435 [21:24:30] <ratrace> cluelessperson: well then strace htop and see where it hangs
1436 [21:24:56] <ratrace> or any other program that is perceived to be lagging on startup
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1447 [21:31:34] <jhutchins> Isn't there a "blame" function on one of the systemd utils?
1448 [21:32:22] <ratrace> thta's for boot. "startup" here is application startup,
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1452 [21:35:17] <cluelessperson> ratrace, I'll try that.
1453 [21:35:20] <cluelessperson> I'm just really confused.
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1455 [21:35:44] <cluelessperson> not seeing any evidence of failures, just seems slightly more sluggish terminal under load
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1462 [21:38:21] <solomomi> hey, How can I install vim 8.2 in Debian?
1463 [21:38:34] <solomomi> According to the tracker the latest version is 8.2 (replaced-url
1464 [21:38:37] <ratrace> cluelessperson: could also check if you have an irq storm, but that would also be visible in top with kernel threads. speaking of, did you check (h)top with kernel threads too?
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1468 [21:38:50] <ratrace> ,v vim
1469 [21:38:51] <judd> Package: vim on amd64 -- jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; buster: 2:8.1.0875-5; bullseye: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2; sid: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2
1470 [21:38:59] <metbsd> need help with rfkill. I can't unblock it
1471 [21:39:05] <metbsd> it's dv2000 old laptop
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1473 [21:39:08] <ratrace> solomomi: wiat for bullseye
1474 [21:39:12] <ratrace> *wait
1475 [21:39:21] <cluelessperson> netstat -i ip -s link statistics show no errors.
1476 [21:40:01] <ratrace> cluelessperson: you should also have some kind of monitoring on that server, problems are easier to spot when you see values peak or correlate in various graphs
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1478 [21:43:40] <solomomi> judd ratrace is this mean I can't upgrade to vim 8.2 till bullseye will be stable?
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1483 [21:46:00] <ratrace> solomomi: right. or you can try to backport it
1484 [21:46:08] <ratrace> judd: checkbackport vim
1485 [21:46:26] <judd> Backporting package vim in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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1487 [21:46:55] <ratrace> yeah, no, will have to wait, or upgrade now (if you know what you're doing) to bullseye, if you really need vim 8.2
1488 [21:47:18] <metbsd> rfkill guys
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1490 [21:48:20] <solomomi> hm.. I'm new to using linux as OS, I don't understand, did vim 8.2 break something from vim 8.1? like, why vim 8.2 isn't available for debian 9-11?
1491 [21:48:27] <solomomi> hm.. I'm new to using linux as OS, I don't understand, did vim 8.2 break something from vim 8.1? like, why vim 8.2 isn't available for debian 9-11?
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1499 [21:52:51] <alex11> solomomi, because debian stable (which debian 9 isn't, but it was a former stable so the rule still applies) is fixed with mostly frozen packages
1500 [21:53:01] <ratrace> solomomi: Debian is one of those distros that don't upgrade packages within a release. security fixes, and some critical bugfixes, are backported, but the version is tied to the release
1501 [21:53:28] <ratrace> solomomi: some exceptions exist, like the kernel or chromium
1502 [21:53:35] <jhutchins> solomomi: vim is pretty stable. Like most linux programs, it's constantly being tweaked and "improved". Vim has been fully functional for a LONG time.
1503 [21:53:37] <alex11> vlc is a big one
1504 [21:54:16] <solomomi> I see... isn't it make it not useful as a day-to-day OS to work with? like I have to upgrade it to get new versions of my packages.
1505 [21:54:35] <smurfke> on topic: I found a package (updated version) that is both in bullseye (testing) and sid (unstable). Is it possible to install the version of that package on my stable Debian 10.7 buster?
1506 [21:54:42] <alex11> solomomi, that depends on the user
1507 [21:54:51] <alex11> many users are just fine with an older base, not everyone desires new packages
1508 [21:54:59] <alex11> it's pretty trivial to get newer software if you need it
1509 [21:55:12] <alex11> just not by mixing packages from testing/sid or whatever; you can compile it, or use flatpak, or whatever
1510 [21:55:14] <jhutchins> solomomi: Makes it very usable for a day-to-day tool.
1511 [21:55:14] <smurfke> okay, but how to do it then?
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1513 [21:55:17] <ratrace> solomomi: if you just want to upgrade for the upgrade sake, then Debian is not for you, no
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1515 [21:55:42] <alex11> a fixed system makes for a predictable system that doesn't change from under the user suddenly and without warning
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1517 [21:55:56] <ratrace> smurfke: perhaps. which package?
1518 [21:56:06] <alex11> also, debian 10 has been out for a while, consider moving off from 9
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1520 [21:56:18] <solomomi> ratrace: I want to upgrade because one of my plugins (coc.nvim) isn't fully compatible with 8.1
1521 [21:56:19] <jhutchins> solomomi: Most software for regular use is mature enough that you don't need the latest greatest version.
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1523 [21:56:52] <smurfke> ratrace: rtorrent 0.9.8-1
1524 [21:57:24] <smurfke> I found it on this website: replaced-url
1525 [21:57:38] <smurfke> you can see that both bullseye and sid have the 0.9.8-1 version
1526 [21:57:40] <jhutchins> !ssb
1527 [21:57:41] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1528 [21:58:02] <smurfke> jhutchins: thanks. It is not in backports so I'll follow the procedure.
1529 [21:58:31] <sponix> ratrace: I already have rtorrent 0.9.8 built for buster and posted on my webserver if you want
1530 [21:58:51] <jhutchins> solomomi: If a package isn't compatable across a single point version differernce, chances are that it isn't very mature or stable.
1531 [21:59:03] <metbsd> my wifi is hard blocked
1532 [21:59:07] <metbsd> what should i do
1533 [21:59:08] <solomomi> Is testing is considered unstable? maybe i Just need use testing instead
1534 [21:59:15] <sponix> ratrace: replaced-url
1535 [21:59:43] <smurfke> sponix: I asked about the latest rtorrent :)
1536 [21:59:45] <smurfke> thanks!
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1538 [22:00:41] <solomomi> jhutchins this is one of vim's plugins
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1541 [22:03:13] <jhutchins> solomomi: If it's only compatible with the latest release it's probably not very stable or mature. Is there an earlier version of the plugin you could use?
1542 [22:03:56] <solomomi> Hm... they released it.. so it's probably mature enough..
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1544 [22:05:18] <solomomi> I understand the version lockdown to create reproducible environments for servers and such (although I'm using docker for that...) but as an OS, I'm not feeling I really need this version lockdowns... the covid gave me enough of it already// hehe
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1547 [22:05:48] <solomomi> Can't I just tell debian I want version X?
1548 [22:05:56] <ratrace> solomomi: then maybe look up a rolling release distro, or something with much shorter release cadence
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1550 [22:06:27] <ratrace> solomomi: you could try to backport it and work around versioning deficiencies
1551 [22:06:32] <jhutchins> solomomi: No. That's not how it works, unless the developer made separate releases for different versions.
1552 [22:07:01] <solomomi> I understand. maybe debian is not for me... are you guys using debian for your day-to-day work?
1553 [22:07:08] <solomomi> loke for coding and such?
1554 [22:07:12] <solomomi> like for coding and such?
1555 [22:07:12] <ratrace> yup
1556 [22:07:20] <jhutchins> solomomi: Remember, the open source community is all about testing the software and finding the bugs. There isn't much close, back-room testing, testing happens in the field.
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1558 [22:07:53] <jhutchins> solomomi: I've used it for my home computing and some professional work for well over ten years now.
1559 [22:08:49] <solomomi> jhutchins yeah.. but.. if vim publish a new version, I can't understand why someone can't install it... (again, I'm talking about a local machine.. not servers and such which I understand why)
1560 [22:08:53] <jhutchins> solomomi: It also runs on my wife's computer, and supports her blog on our server.
1561 [22:09:00] <sponix> smurfke: I have to warn, the configuration options between 0.9.6 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 are all a bit different
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1563 [22:09:29] <solomomi> jhutchins doesn't it bother you that you can't upgrade to the latest versions, for features and such?
1564 [22:09:48] <ratrace> solomomi: new version of software requires newer version of libraries etc down the dependency chain. in some cases it's impossible to upgrade a piece of software without upgrading too much of the rest of the system
1565 [22:09:51] <jhutchins> solomomi: You can install it. Just compile it yourself. You'll mess up package management unless you integrate it with the alternatives system, but it's linux, you always have that option.
1566 [22:09:55] <solomomi> ratrace any recommendation for such distribution?
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1568 [22:10:20] <ratrace> solomomi: ubuntu if you want debian based, fedora, gentoo, arch linux
1569 [22:10:33] <ratrace> opensuse has tumbleweed edition too
1570 [22:10:40] <jhutchins> solomomi: No, it doesn't bother me if there are newer versions, as long as the versions I have do what I need.
1571 [22:11:05] <jhutchins> solomomi: I've worked with distributions that were constantly breaking essential things just to have the latest versions.
1572 [22:11:07] <tvm> solomomi: that's just not Debian's philosophy, Debian is binary distro with slow release cycle and it's been like that for more than two decades
1573 [22:11:37] <zutat> solomomi: maybe you could try fedora. you'll most likely get very recent versions of applications and probably experience too, why the most recent version isn't always the best choice :)
1574 [22:12:16] <jhutchins> Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
1575 [22:12:19] <ratrace> afk
1576 [22:12:55] <solomomi> Hm.. this is tough..
1577 [22:13:07] <tvm> solomomi: devs put effort and time into making sure that the whole release works fine, then you put it onto your server and you can rely on it
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1579 [22:13:36] <tvm> solomomi: other distros don't do that, things might break/crash, but you get new features
1580 [22:13:40] <solomomi> tvm this is for my lcoal machine.. for servers I'm totally understand that..
1581 [22:13:45] <jhutchins> solomomi: Something you might try is having a stable distro like Debian as your day-to-day tool, and then use a dual-boot or chroot or container for bleeding edge development.
1582 [22:13:51] <tvm> i use arch on my desktop for example
1583 [22:13:51] <jhutchins> ,v bash
1584 [22:13:52] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5; buster: 5.0-4; bullseye: 5.1-1; sid: 5.1-1
1585 [22:14:14] <tvm> and i get new kernel and systemd almost every day
1586 [22:14:19] <sponix> there is a reason Nasa likes to use Debian
1587 [22:14:25] <jhutchins> ,v vim
1588 [22:14:27] <judd> Package: vim on amd64 -- jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u3; buster: 2:8.1.0875-5; bullseye: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2; sid: 2:8.2.1913-1+b2
1589 [22:14:48] <solomomi> tvm I don't care very much about the distro code/versions.. but about the packages versions.. like vim..
1590 [22:14:58] <jhutchins> There' we have 8.2
1591 [22:15:01] <jhutchins> !ssb
1592 [22:15:02] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1593 [22:15:26] <tvm> solomomi: if you want new vim all the time, use distro that does that, Debian isn't that
1594 [22:15:30] <jhutchins> solomomi: Backport it.
1595 [22:15:48] <tvm> so, arch, gentoo, etc.
1596 [22:16:03] <solomomi> Thanks guys! I'll check my options! you helped a lot!
1597 [22:16:05] <tvm> you'll have new vim whenever it gets released.
1598 [22:16:30] <velix> Hey, can anyone please have a look at libsfcgal and verify my discovery? The 1.3.9 release still has all symbols and internal versions set to 1.3.9 in bullseye and sid. It's readonly in upstream now, seems to die soon. But shouldn't we fix it in our packages? replaced-url
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1600 [22:17:04] <zutat> solomomi: there might also be a vim snap. that would not mess the rest of your system (irreversibly)
1601 [22:17:05] <jhutchins> !bug report
1602 [22:17:06] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
1603 [22:17:21] <velix> jhutchins: I know how to report a bug. I asked for anyone in here to verify it.
1604 [22:17:32] <velix> jhutchins: Writing a debian bug report is like flying from Moon to Mars.
1605 [22:17:38] <velix> same afford.
1606 [22:17:50] <jhutchins> zutat: Simple Sid Backport is much better and more compatible. It won't be fighting the stable version.
1607 [22:18:29] <zutat> jhutchins: nice. i don't like snaps either
1608 [22:18:31] <jhutchins> velix: That's how you verify it, you report it and let other people check it.
1609 [22:18:42] <velix> okay, I'll do it next month. Too much to do right now.
1610 [22:19:05] <jhutchins> velix: I've never found but reports difficult, but I've been at this a while.
1611 [22:19:31] <jhutchins> Average time to get a bug fix released in RHEL is about two years.
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1613 [22:22:50] <sponix> jhutchins: there are bugs in RHEL ?
1614 [22:22:53] <sponix> lol
1615 [22:24:05] <jhutchins> Yeah, we had one that completely knocked out NFS, which we relied on heavily. It was a simple search-order fix in nfsmount, we told them what the problem was, and it still took two years.
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1625 [22:33:30] <sponix> jhutchins: I've never been a fan of anything rpm
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1628 [22:34:56] <jhutchins> I would say I have been, but there are better things.
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1630 [22:36:22] <jhutchins> The database isn't very efficient, especially when wrapped in a GUI, but it has a lot of data in it, and for RHEL the distros have every package version ever in a release, so you can do rollbacks easily.
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1657 [23:04:38] <smurfke> I just created a system unit that renders this error on ExecStop: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/bin/killall: No such file or directory
1658 [23:04:51] <smurfke> is it normal for debian to not have "killall" binary by default? This is a fresh install of 10.7 Buster
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1661 [23:07:57] <smurfke> I installed psmisc package because of it...
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1668 [23:09:10] <taman> smurfke: "Priority: optional" answers your question, i.e. "yes".
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1675 [23:14:34] <smurfke> taman thanks
1676 [23:15:23] <_joey> which chipsets are well supported for wifi usb? is rtl8814au any good?
1677 [23:16:39] <sponix> _joey: you should probably just get something from Alfa, Pluggable, or some other brand that actually list them as "Linux compatible" on Amazon or such
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1680 [23:19:23] <_joey> alfa awus1900 comes with rtl8814au. Apparently, it is not pluggable. One needs to compile the driver from source, which hasn't been updated for around 2 years. Alfa is no longer a choice? Maybe TP-Link?
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1682 [23:23:45] <rander2> how may I install automatically missing packet required in a C source compiling ? I mean after run ./configure
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1692 [23:33:54] <smurfke> Hello, I created a system unit file which starts up /usr/bin/tmux rtorrent succesfully as systemctl status myservice.service returns "Active: active (exited) since ...". However ps aux | grep tmux OR ps aux | grep rtorrent does not return any results. Is this normal?
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1699 [23:37:43] <smurfke> nevermind, it just isn't started...
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1702 [23:43:51] <ratrace> smurfke: why uh.... would you want to start a _service_ that starts _tmux_ that what ... starts rtorrent?
1703 [23:44:04] <ratrace> why not start rtorrent directly as a service?
1704 [23:45:22] <smurfke> ratrace, you're right. I just changed it into ExecStart=/usr/bin/rtorrent -o import=/home/smurfke/rtorrent/rtorrent.rc
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1706 [23:45:43] <smurfke> alas the status reports "Active: active (exited)". However I do not see the process running at all.
1707 [23:45:49] <smurfke> How could I go around debugging this problem?
1708 [23:45:59] <ratrace> smurfke: what Type is your unit?
1709 [23:46:13] <smurfke> System Unit
1710 [23:46:18] <smurfke> Type=simple
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1713 [23:46:42] <ratrace> simple. well, in that case the rtorrent should not run daemonized. I have no idea what its options are, but check that.
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1715 [23:46:59] <ratrace> Type=simple, the process should daemonize itself. Otherwise, if it does, and you can't override it, Type=forking
1716 [23:47:09] <ratrace> should NOT daemonize, for Type=simple
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1722 [23:50:26] <ratrace> smurfke: gtg, if you need moar systemd help, there's #systemd here on Freenode
1723 [23:50:54] <smurfke> thanks ratrace!
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