24[00:17:38] <cluelessperson> sure, I'm looking to get an idea how to be specific.
25[00:17:41] <tekk> Hi, I'm having the weirdest problem. I just changed my gateway and all of a sudden I can't resolve any DNS or connect to any hosts outside my network, however I am able to ping any host (by IP) successfully
26[00:18:04] <tekk> I've checked my /etc/network/interfaces and ip route show, both look completely normal, and there is no firewall active that I can see
27[00:18:23] <wallacer> so no TCP/UDP packets work but ICMP does?
28[00:18:25] <tekk> other hosts on this network are working as intended
29[00:18:33] <tekk> wallacer, TCP/UDP works locally, but not beyond the gateway
30[00:18:35] <tekk> ICMP works everywhere
31[00:19:04] <wallacer> locally as in everything accessible at the L2 layer, right?
32[00:19:19] <tekk> yes
33[00:19:30] <format_c> maybe it helps when you come around with some facts
34[00:19:35] <tekk> I checked the ARP table too
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36[00:19:57] <tekk> I want someone to point out something obvious to me that I'm too tired to notice, but sadly, I can't seem to debug this one...
37[00:20:01] <wallacer> hmm that'd mean that your gateway is dropping TCP/UDP connections, actually gives me NAT misconfiguration flashbacks
38[00:20:02] <cluelessperson> tekk, what do you mean "changed your gateway" ?
39[00:20:06] <wallacer> did you try tcpdumping?
40[00:20:19] <cluelessperson> sounds like firewall to me.
41[00:20:22] <tekk> my old gateway was 192.168.50.1 and I've now replaced it with a new appliance at 192.168.50.254 (thats all)
42[00:20:38] <tekk> smells like firewall to me too, only thing I can think of is the gateway some how doesn't like this host... but unlikely (pfSense out the box)
43[00:20:54] <wallacer> if you have access to the gateway you could try tcpdumping there to see if it's a error there
45[00:21:13] <tekk> wallacer, no, thats my next one, just tcpdump -I interface tcp ?
46[00:21:18] <tekk> good idea
47[00:21:21] <tekk> I'll run on both
48[00:21:28] <wallacer> yeah see what's happening both on your and the gateway's side
49[00:21:54] <cluelessperson> tekk, I agree with them. tcpdump on gateway to confirm it's receiving the packets. then check gateway's logs to see if it's failing to route/blocking them in firewall.
63[00:28:58] <tekk91> it was the same interface as before, only the gateway IP changed.... default via 192.168.50.254 dev vmbr0 onlink
64[00:29:03] <tekk91> 192.168.50.0/24 is the network
65[00:29:10] <tekk91> vmbr0 is a bridged interface of em0
66[00:29:15] <tekk91> nothing fancy in it though
67[00:29:15] <smurfke> On a debian 10, will an (nfs) mount added as a line to /etc/fstab be converted to a system unit?
68[00:29:55] <format_c> Yeah but since you apparently have 2 routers on the same network, ICMP redirects may dynamically modify your local routing table.
69[00:29:56] <tekk91> one detail thats perhaps important and I left out.... this Debian host is a KVM hypervisor... the gateway for the whole network is a guest VM
70[00:30:12] <tekk91> I have ran this configuration successfully before, but not sure if I needed to set any rules up
116[01:03:35] <format_c> So to summarize: you have a hypervisor host (KVM) that hosts all nodes in your network + the hypervisor itself. Before, you've had a gateway outside the hypervisor to get to the outside. Now you have a gateway being a guest of the hypervisor. All guests running on the hypervisor have no issues getting internet connectivity through the guest gateway (verfied?) with one exception: the hypervisor itself has no outside connecvitity?
117[01:03:37] <format_c> Is this correct?
118[01:04:13] <wallacer> hmm how is the VM connected to the WAN though?
119[01:04:26] <format_c> That would be my followup question.
129[01:11:20] <format_c> To that smells like a state machine in between that does no state inspection on ICMP but on UDP+TCP. And also (even though your said that the old gateway is disconnected) it smells to me like a assymetric traffic flow with a state machine in between which is treating ICMP stateless.
130[01:11:39] <mysonjohn> quick question, is there a way to boot into debian netcd manually from the grub command line?
133[01:11:53] <mysonjohn> I tried to look up how to do it and there was no info
134[01:12:32] <format_c> mysonjohn: you mean like bootin the Grub from the disk and then boot into a (maybe afterwards inserted) netboot CD?
135[01:12:33] <rk4> mysonjohn: that commandline has tab complete, you can often tab your way to the right device names
136[01:13:53] <format_c> tekk: have you checked reverse routes "behind" the old/new gateway?
137[01:13:59] <mysonjohn> Like going into the grub commandline and manually booting into the debian cd
138[01:14:12] <tekk> reverse routes?
139[01:15:54] <format_c> Well I don't know your network topology behind the gateway. or is it a old and the new one a stupid PAT box to an ordinary Internet ISP?
140[01:15:56] <Gerowen> jelly: Just thought I'd let you know everything went off without a hitch. I've now successfully converted software RAID 1 to RAID 5, and then resized the encrypted partition stored on it to take advantage of the extra space, all without losing any data or having to restore from a backup or anything.
141[01:17:24] <tekk> behind the gateway its a Fiber converter to ethernet connected to pfSense... requires PPPoE
142[01:17:26] <format_c> Gerowen: maybe you spend it a blog post or similar. I'd guess that some more people would be faced the same challenge.
143[01:17:30] <tekk> behind the gateway isn't the issue however
144[01:18:02] <Gerowen> format_c: I recorded most of it, but I may write it out as well.
198[02:31:15] <cluelessperson> format_c, B = Byte, b = bit.
199[02:31:16] <cluelessperson> silly
200[02:34:23] <format_c> 1GByte within 60 seconds / 60 seconds == 0,0167 GBbytes per second*1024 making GigaBytes to MegaBytes makes 17,0667 Megabytes/s * 8 makes 136,533 MegaBits/s
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315[04:42:18] <VegasXGaming> Just because the casinos are closed, doesn't mean the games have to stop! We are one of the biggest exclusive online gaming platforms for over 15 years. With a top jackpot currently at $10,000, free credits with your first buy-in and easy account set up, why wouldn't you come play with us?
316[04:42:18] <VegasXGaming> your friends for bonus credits!
327[04:50:33] <Sark> I know, right? I kinda miss it.
328[04:50:43] <Sark> a/s/l?
329[04:50:47] <Sark> lol
330[04:50:50] <Ekis> That spammer is all over the channels right now lol
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332[04:52:49] <Sark> I guess he gets points for trying, but I can't imagine anyone falling for that junk these days. I would assume that if you're smart enough to connect to IRC, you're smart enough to see through the scams.
333[04:53:58] <mrkramps> maybe somebody's just testing a bot because boredom?
385[05:59:04] <zzz2002> OT? - my main system has just died, It did not owe me anything it was about 9yrs old. I need some advice on a replacement - not gamer- main use genealogy, graphics, android dev. TIA
395[06:31:01] <mrkramps> if not new do what sney said and get a refurbished workstation
396[06:32:12] <sney> yeah, some dual socket xeon beast with loads of ram is way more appropriate for general graphics/dev than consumer gamer stuff. particularly if you want it to go for another 9 years
398[06:35:55] <sney> maybe they don't really do dual-socket anymore, it's been a minute since the last time I looked. but throw a bunch of upgrades at something like this, you get the idea replaced-url
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521[10:22:15] <jolt> dual sockets can be nice depending on how the memory is attached and the pci busses, but yeah, not for any home related systems perhaps
747[14:54:25] <Monodroid> Hello. Can someone help me? When i try to launch steam, it gives me following error : "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
748[14:54:25] <Monodroid> libGL.so.1". The file should be in the libgl1 package, which is is installed (both amd64 and i386).
749[14:54:46] <Monodroid> I use the debian testing cinnamon distro
750[14:55:35] <n4dir> !testing
751[14:55:35] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
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754[14:55:54] <jak2000> hi all
755[14:55:55] <Monodroid> should i use the stable edition?
756[14:56:02] <Monodroid> for gaming stuff?
757[14:56:09] <robobox> yes, I do that
758[14:56:16] <n4dir> Saying is: if you have to ask, you should use stable.
759[14:56:33] <jak2000> wich permission need here: drwxr-xr-x 2 jak jak 4096 Jul 26 11:34 backups i want this: drwxrwxr-x 2 jak jak 90112 Dec 31 01:00 backups
760[14:56:34] <n4dir> doesn't help much, i guess.
761[14:56:37] <robobox> steam and minecraft work fine (java version, bedrock is a broken buggy mess)
762[14:56:37] <Monodroid> is the software actual in stable? for example i know that the driver is not.
763[14:56:50] <petn-randall> Monodroid: testing/unstable is unreleased distro, so if you don't plan on beta-testing stuff, I recommend sticking with stable.
764[14:57:04] <n4dir> Monodroid: there is always the stable-backports. But in general only you can decide such
765[14:57:05] <Monodroid> chmod 775 @jak2000
766[14:57:31] <Monodroid> ok in this case i reinstall the entire system
767[14:57:49] <Onyx47> regardless of testing or not, you do need multiarch enabled for Steam (I run it on testing just fine, and I'm not saying that going to stable is not a better choice for a less experienced user, but it'll still be a requirement on stable as well)
768[14:57:50] <n4dir> slow down. Have a deep breath and think a bit about it
769[14:58:08] <petn-randall> Monodroid: You'll also have to check which releases are supported for steam. Debian testing/unstable most likely isn't.
770[14:58:12] <mrkramps> Monodroid, what's your graphics card?
771[14:58:18] <Monodroid> 1080TI
772[14:58:26] <jak2000> Monodroid: drwxr-xr-x 2 jak jak 4096 Jul 26 11:34 backups after: sudo chmod 755 backups -R
773[14:58:32] <mrkramps> nvidia ships an own version of libGL.so.1
774[14:58:48] <petn-randall> jak2000: You don't need sudo for that.
775[14:58:49] <mrkramps> in package libgl1-nvidia-glx
802[15:04:33] <ratrace> Monodroid: no, use the one from backports. _do_ _not_ install from the tarball unless you know what you're doing in which case you won't be asking this
812[15:07:26] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
819[15:11:07] <Monodroid> i know n4dir, unfortunately the nvidia driver is proprietary and im dependend of nvidia beacause of gsync. next monitor is a freesync compatible and amd
820[15:11:12] <Monodroid> graphic card
821[15:12:00] <n4dir> Monodroid: i don't want to sound smart or such. Just trying that you are sure about such questions. A few are not. Good luck and have fun
822[15:12:16] <n4dir> or you seem to be german: ich will nicht klugscheissen. :-)
823[15:12:32] <Monodroid> no problem. i appreciate your much your advise
867[16:00:40] <dpkg> Universal Greeting Time (UGT) asserts that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
874[16:03:33] <antto> can anyone tell me how dafuq(ue) do you search in hexchat channel logs?! i can't even get the log opened in a text editor
875[16:04:09] <antto> i wanna search backwards (for something recent)
876[16:04:18] <no_gravity> Strange, "rsync -avi --checksum --delete source/ target/" seems to update everything. Even though nothing changed. Any ideas why?
877[16:05:47] <ratrace> no_gravity: you'll have to reprhase that problem
878[16:05:49] <Ede|Popede> antto: `grep`? at least if it's search for some particular text
889[16:07:18] <Ede|Popede> <something> <regex of your nicks> <tab> <something> <url basic scheme> <something>
890[16:07:20] <no_gravity> ratrace: source/ and target/ are identical except for timestamps of the files. I run "rsync -avi --checksum --delete source/ target/" and it outputs all filenames with ".f..t..... filename". I would think that means it copied it. But why?
893[16:07:39] <oerheks> but i think you need to grep http for your search
894[16:07:55] <Ede|Popede> oerheks: mine full all the time, i gave up long ago using it. with some context it may be useful, but not with just a list of URLs
895[16:08:47] <oerheks> antto, settings > preferences > logging > url grabber creates a list with urls solely
896[16:09:03] <oerheks> oh,a nd my logfilename = %Y-%m-%d/%n-%c.log
899[16:09:49] <ratrace> no_gravity: if there's no > or < at the beginning of the itemized list, the file isn't transferred
900[16:10:14] <no_gravity> ratrace: Oh!
901[16:10:22] <short-bike> I an running 10.7 as a server in a VM (fresh install). I used 'debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-1' as the iso but am hitting a brick wall when trying to install 'sudo'. Apt sees the package but fails on apt install. A pointer would be much appreciated.
902[16:10:30] <ratrace> in fact that . means it's not being updated at all. check the manpage for itemized format
904[16:10:57] <dvs> short-bike: set up /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the external repos.
905[16:10:58] <no_gravity> ratrace: Can I tell rsync to only output the files it transferred?
906[16:11:10] <antto> oerheks, that won't help, i have default setting, the log is about 90MB from ages ago
907[16:11:12] <ratrace> no_gravity: it usually does without -i
908[16:11:15] <short-bike> dvs: Thank you :)
909[16:11:32] <ratrace> no_gravity: or grep its output for lines beginning with >
910[16:11:32] <dvs> np
911[16:12:37] <antto> okay, "gedit" opened it
912[16:12:37] <no_gravity> ratrace: We are getting closer! With "rsync -av --checksum --delete" it now is almost silent. But it still outputs all directory names. Why that?
913[16:13:08] <ratrace> no_gravity: there's no checksum on directories, maybe that, but it sees timestamp changes
914[16:13:31] <antto> "The file you opened has some invalid characters. If you continue editing this file you could corrupt this document."
915[16:13:38] <no_gravity> ratrace: Hmm... maybe I should add --ignore-timestamps
916[16:13:39] <ratrace> no_gravity: if you wanna be sure, used itemized list and grep or otherwise "filter" by the letters
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1048[17:41:18] <Monodroid> i think i try the SID version to be up2date for gaming...
1049[17:41:26] <metbsd> centos us dead. will debian be next?
1050[17:41:42] <Monodroid> why centos dead? what happened?
1051[17:42:08] <metbsd> no more centos
1052[17:42:13] <dvs> Centos isn't dead. Centos is now in a different form.
1053[17:42:36] <metbsd> it becomes another fedora
1054[17:42:45] <Monodroid> you mean no more free..
1055[17:43:08] <petn-randall> Monodroid: You should only install sid if you're willing to test packages that have only been proven to compile fine on a developer's machine...
1056[17:43:33] <robobox> no, Red Hat discontinued the version everyone used and moved everyone to the development version
1057[17:43:35] <n4dir> Monodroid: there have been debian based distributions using sid. I don't know if they still exist. The advantage: The worst trouble you might run into they will try to handle for you. Sidux might be a good search term to find them
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1059[17:43:43] <robobox> Because it's Red Hat
1060[17:43:46] <Monodroid> i give it a try.. if something broke its not the end of the world, i do backups
1061[17:43:50] <n4dir> not saying one wouldn't be able to run just debian sid. Just a note
1063[17:44:04] <n4dir> Monodroid: install apt-listbugs too
1064[17:44:09] <n4dir> iirc
1065[17:44:17] <Monodroid> i wil notice that, thx n4dir
1066[17:44:37] <n4dir> and obviously: the less packages installed, the less the chance of breakage.
1067[17:44:41] <petn-randall> Monodroid: Well, if things break, we usually expect you to have some level of confidence debugging the issue and finding a solution. And for gaming things break all the time in sid.
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1069[17:45:01] <petn-randall> Especially the nvidia drivers. Since they're non-free, they're not a high priority.
1070[17:45:07] <n4dir> So installing a DE during installation process with tasksel. Might be better to do it fine-grained, only what you need, after installation
1081[17:46:54] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1082[17:47:01] <jhutchins> n4dir: sid isn't exactly a distro, it's a stage in production for testing.
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1090[17:54:00] <n4dir> the other one was aptosid, but it is defuncted, it seems
1091[17:54:11] <Monodroid> is the installer of siduction like that of debian? for example linux mint installer is really difficult with gparted to set up an encrypted lvm partition
1092[17:54:18] <Monodroid> i look into siduction, thx!
1112[18:04:21] <metbsd> centos used to be pretty stable too
1113[18:04:28] <metbsd> but now its gone
1114[18:04:40] <petn-randall> metbsd: What are you talking about? Debian is showing no signs of going away. Stop spreading FUD.
1115[18:04:57] <jhutchins> metbsd: Debian has a pretty good distributed base, as opposed to being one centralized project. Should be able to continue for a while.
1120[18:06:14] <jhutchins> I'm still not sure how a supposedly community based open source distro like CentOS could be "acquired" by RedHat, then discontinued.
1121[18:06:19] <Monodroid> I have my own theory why Ian Murdock died onto police hands...
1122[18:06:32] <Monodroid> Freedom for the ppl is not wanted
1123[18:07:15] <Monodroid> look how ridiculous the entire applied corona rules are.. for a virus with a mortality rate of 1% under 75 years
1124[18:07:20] <dvs> jhutchins: I have three letters why.
1125[18:07:32] * jhutchins wonders if there's a channel devoted to conspiracy theories.
1126[18:07:51] <Monodroid> the channel is called "brain-on" ;)
1130[18:09:03] <petn-randall> Monodroid: This isn't the right channel to spread misinformation. Unfortunately I can't recommend any others to you as I don't traverse these parts of the internet.
1131[18:09:20] * petn-randall yawns.
1132[18:09:21] <Monodroid> this is why your work you devs do, its so much important
1133[18:09:30] <Monodroid> np :)
1134[18:10:03] <n4dir> misinformation is something different than opinions though. Still doesn't belong here
1135[18:10:19] <Monodroid> im really appreciate your effort and time you put on to help me
1137[18:13:46] <Sarcutus> I'm going to ask a daft question. Is a Debian Pure Blend still Debian, or should I (DebianEdu/Skolelinux) wipe my system and install from a non-Edu installer to get "real" Debian?
1141[18:14:31] <foxide> Sarcutus: I believe that pure blends are still supported here, as I think they're just selections of packages/metapackages in a dedicated installer.
1142[18:14:33] <foxide> I could be wrong.
1143[18:14:38] <petn-randall> foxide: We already dropped the topic, and ad-hominem attacks won't help here.
1144[18:15:08] <n4dir> never miss a chance to look like a reasonable person by calling others idiots.
1145[18:15:36] <petn-randall> Sarcutus: Debian Pure Blend is still regular Debian, just a nicer installer for those tasks.
1146[18:15:48] <foxide> n4dir: If the shoe fits.
1147[18:16:15] <Monodroid> thank you foxide, but i dont care how you call me
1148[18:16:18] <Sarcutus> Thank you petn-randall ... I was worried it was a sort of periphery project I guess. :)
1156[18:19:57] <dpkg> A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. replaced-url
1158[18:21:14] <Sarcutus> I looked this stuff up, which makes my question even more dumb, but I wanted a community's take on it.
1159[18:22:23] <petn-randall> Sarcutus: It's unedited Debian packages, so it's 100% supported here. Derived distros might have changed things, or are stuck on different package versions, which is why those are not supported here.
1160[18:22:30] <NetTerminalGene> netflix doesn't work on my default firefox-esr. does it general problem. anyone here can watch?
1164[18:23:01] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Does chromium work? AFAIR you need encrypted media extensions, which isn't shipped by default because it's non-free.
1165[18:23:24] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall: i enabled it in options
1166[18:24:34] <NetTerminalGene> there is a setting you can enable drm in firefox-esr
1167[18:25:57] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: I'm watching it right now
1171[18:26:28] <NetTerminalGene> let me try again with different settings
1172[18:26:57] <ratrace> NetTerminalGene: that said, I do remember first time I've set up this profile, took me a while to enable DRM. When you enable it, actually has to download it and there's no progress report
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1174[18:27:19] <ratrace> it's possible you simply need to be patient. also try turning the checkbox off and on again. heh, yeah, no joke.
1175[18:27:36] <NetTerminalGene> ratrace: ok i will try
1176[18:27:44] <NetTerminalGene> ratrace: can it play 4k?
1177[18:27:49] <ratrace> no idea
1178[18:28:02] <ratrace> I only have the 1080p netflix account anyway and no 4k screen
1205[18:41:11] <cyber> Good day all. I would like to install debian (armhf) without gui. Should I simply install the iso-cd and adjust after, or is there a specific iso I could try?
1225[18:54:30] <karlpinc> cyber: If you install from a netinstall you only download software you install. If you want the firmware that makes your hardware work, even if it's not free, you may as well "do it the easy way". Can't say what difference arm makes.
1232[19:05:45] <cyber> karlpinc: I'm no expert, but I enjoy discovering anything linux. I recently bought a small usb computer and installed the binary distro that came with it (debian). I discovered that the kernel was missing key stuff and now I will either compile it or try something directly from debian, and not the manufacturer.
1294[19:57:30] <alexrelis[m]> sney: I see. Cause I'm having this problem on my new laptop where when I suspend, sometimes it works and other times it freezes. I have no idea what to do besides disabling suspend which isn't quite viable.
1300[20:00:24] <sney> the amd64-microcode package hasn't been updated since 2019, so if that's a new cpu, it probably won't include any patches for you
1301[20:00:52] <sney> you might check for an efi update from the laptop vendor though, that can also be a factor. and new kernel from bpo if you aren't using it already
1302[20:01:32] <alexrelis[m]> sney: I am on Sid (sorry for asking for advice here, I don't have an OFTC account yet)
1303[20:01:47] <quadrathoch2> shouldn't the amd microcode be updated because of security fixes?
1304[20:01:56] <quadrathoch2> i was pretty sure in 2020 we had an issue with amd
1308[20:03:03] <alexrelis[m]> Hopefully the UEFI on my system can be upgraded with FreeDOS. I would have to open up my system and put in the stock Windows drive every time there was a new update otherwise...
1313[20:04:15] <alexrelis[m]> quadrathoch2: I heard Windows 2 Go was depreciated.
1314[20:04:15] <quadrathoch2> but nowadays most uefis are flashable by usb (fat32)
1315[20:04:24] <sney> alexrelis[m]: registering on oftc only takes a few seconds, I don't know what extra steps you need from a matrix bridge, but if you're going to use irc all the time you might as well use a regular irc client anyway. the sid advice in OFTC #debian-next is better because more developers/power users idle there than here
1318[20:05:07] <sney> but anyway, modern efis are usually pretty trivial to update. I have one in a 6-year-old board that can update itself from a usb drive within the efi menu. there's also fwupd
1333[20:13:50] <sney> quadrathoch2: it did seem odd that there wasn't a new microcode package since 2019, so I checked the upstream - unlike intel, amd64-microcode comes from kernel.org's linux-firmware repo, and there haven't been any amd cpu microcode updates there since 2019-12-18 either.
1334[20:14:23] <sney> so any 2020 ryzen issues that could be fixed via microcode updates are hanging out to dry, I guess. for now.
1335[20:14:53] <ratrace> alexrelis[m]: are you sure your EFI/BIOS thing can't read updates from USB drives directly? Mine can. I think most modern ones can
1336[20:15:00] <ratrace> (and mine is 6 years old now)
1342[20:16:02] <alexrelis[m]> ratrace: I'm sure it can to. But since my computer has come straight off the production line two weeks ago, I don't think there is even an update for my system. And if there's no microcode update I'm pretty screwed.
1445[21:05:45] <trysten> does anybody know how to punch a DNS server into behaving? My router is returning old/stale ipv6 addresses for the local domain. replaced-url
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1447[21:07:06] <greycat> I doubt we can help you unless your router is running Debian.
1448[21:12:09] <sney> you could probably run dnsmasq locally and do your overrides there
1458[21:22:36] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I was about to update my system, but got this: "libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-9-dev (< 9.3.0-5~) but 9.2.1-19 is to be installed" I assume that that's something worse than "It'll resolve itself when upgrading"?
1459[21:22:47] <greycat> !debian-next
1460[21:22:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1483[21:48:44] <unixbsd> Hello, would you know eventually an package that does Eboard server for multiplayer? (using eboard, ... xboard.,... networking).
1496[21:58:12] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
1517[22:19:05] <Ede|Popede> aren't programs which are automatically started after logging in into the DE supposed to finish after the user logs out again?
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1521[22:19:37] <quadrathoch2> Ede|Popede depends on how they were started
1522[22:19:39] <Ede|Popede> i've had some in the past already taking their time to do so, but they did in the end at least
1523[22:19:41] <greycat> what program, what DE?
1524[22:19:43] <n4dir> i guess not all. Say if i start screen or mocp, it keeps running even if i log out
1525[22:19:59] <n4dir> xmms2 too
1526[22:20:07] <greycat> n4dir: he said "automatically" though, which makes me think of systemd --user stuff
1527[22:20:41] <n4dir> greycat: yeah, well, you are right of course. I thought i could start screen with the according autostart file or setting. I gues.
1528[22:20:42] <greycat> or, like, ssh-agent, whether that's started by systemd --user or not
1529[22:22:04] <Ede|Popede> greycat: fresh install of buster. selected everything (maybe i'll overwrite the install at some later point, so i'll maybe play a bit with it). had everything available, but decided to start my well-known xfce first. and now guess what the parent process of all these abandoned ones is. correct, it's systemd.
1530[22:22:37] <Ede|Popede> some evolution-whatever, and mostly A LOT of gvfs(d)-*
1531[22:24:04] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: are you checking if these programs are still running as a different user, or as the same user logged into a different tty?
1532[22:24:14] <Ede|Popede> it's just the basic install so far, no mc, so quickly jumping around the fs and looking at files is a lot of typing right now, also no htop, only top, which for some reason cuts off even the program names :/
1533[22:24:42] <Ede|Popede> jmcnaught: logged out yesterday already and forgot about it. running root on tty2.
1534[22:25:44] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: root login, or su/sudo?
1536[22:26:10] <Ede|Popede> su, no sudo. i have been reported already after trying to use sudo :(
1537[22:26:43] <Ede|Popede> don't ask me how often i had to change my root password for this machine because of sudo...
1538[22:27:05] <Ede|Popede> sometimes you still want to get a plain root shell w/o going through user account first, and then meh.
1539[22:27:16] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: try logging out of tty2 completely and log into it as root. systemd user instances (systemctl --user …) are not per session, they are per user. So if you are still logged into another session as that user it would probably leave it running.
1540[22:29:13] <Ede|Popede> jmcnaught: i only had the DE running for the user. opening a root shell in another tty is sth i usually do with new installation to check for oddities like this one.
1541[22:29:32] <Ede|Popede> so no, only root logged in so far. user account isn't running since yesterday.
1542[22:30:07] <Ede|Popede> i remembered this behaviour from the past, so i decided to give it some time to finish, but even now it's still running.
1543[22:30:49] <Ede|Popede> but ok, i'll leave even with root. should it stop it then, this *really* would be... phew...
1544[22:31:31] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: so "loginctl list-users" does not list your user and there is still a systemd user instance running for the user?
1545[22:32:38] <Ede|Popede> jmcnaught: it lists my user, but why? i'm logged out, everything running wasn't started by me
1546[22:32:55] <Ede|Popede> even if it's autostart, like mailchecker and the like, shouldn't it finish with the DE logout?
1549[22:33:44] <Ede|Popede> iirc i had to kill a certain gvfs process in the situation i had in the past which then took the others with it
1550[22:34:07] <Ede|Popede> evolution-* is something i would suspect blocking everything else
1551[22:34:14] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: systemd user instances are not per-session, you had two sessions open for one user. You closed one. One is still open. So the systemd user instance remains.
1552[22:34:17] <n4dir> i sure remember gvfs being such a pain that i always end uninstalling it altogether. Whatever it takes with it
1553[22:34:35] <Ede|Popede> jmcnaught: why two?
1554[22:35:49] <jmcnaught> Ede|Popede: I thought that you said you were logged into another terminal (besides the xfce one) as root but you used su. If you used su, that does not close the original user's session.
1555[22:36:58] <Ede|Popede> err.. not su, now i got it. logged in directly. usually i don't use text terminals, unless i have to check something or get around starting a user session. no, it was direct login.
1556[22:37:12] <Ede|Popede> seems i'm thinking too much in su vs. sudo terms
1557[22:38:01] <Ede|Popede> and: tracker-miner-fs is a REALLY bad name. triggers some warning synapses
1558[22:38:27] <greycat> ... and people wonder why I don't use a DE
1563[22:41:41] <Ede|Popede> agent (something geoclue) and also applet.py are also running. checking...
1564[22:42:28] <n4dir> geoclue you can disable in the xfce settings manager (that gui thing)
1565[22:45:46] <Ede|Popede> first time i ever noticed it. here (still on stretch for the moment) i don't have it at least, and as i said, i threw all available DMs to the other PC these days, just because i have the diskspace.
1566[22:46:12] <Ede|Popede> so even worse than just going with the metapackage for a DE, i did it with all of them!
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1568[22:47:26] <Ede|Popede> and of course i checked everything in the settings menu, though i tried not to change anything, only switched to a dark theme for convenience. but i was surprised how much was listed already in all these autostart lists and whatever there may be around.
1569[22:48:48] <Ede|Popede> now i wish i'd play Kalto. then i'd know which one to stop to finish this nightmare ;)
1580[23:12:00] <Ede|Popede> oh. well. everything broken in xfce now. the 3 icons i left are mid-screen, no panel visible, the menu text is white on light-grey.
1581[23:12:36] <jhutchins> I told somebody that I'd installed Acrobat on Linux. Well, I did once upon a time, but they stopped supporting it in 2013, and it doesn't look like they have started again even though they support Android. At least Android only has one distribution, even if they do have a broad range of versions.
1582[23:13:38] <zutat> the android app costs like 40 eur/month if you opt in for all features
1594[23:17:34] <sney> pre-creative cloud. the last version that was just an application on disk that didn't need to phone home for updates every 5 minutes
1595[23:17:46] <sney> I think it was version 9 or 10
1596[23:18:46] <sney> (canadian government forms use adobe-only features and will not even open in okular/evince/etc)
1597[23:18:46] <Ede|Popede> out and back in. according to the login dialog i accessed this session last time, not a couple of minutes ago? oO
1603[23:21:57] <Ede|Popede> funny. just removed the "save session" checkbox before logging out (saved the session last time so i have something to choose from at login), and now the checkbox *is* unchecked. so the change was written to the config, it still claimed that i didn't use this session today.
1604[23:22:08] <jhutchins> I'm not a big fan of "all your data are belong to us" systems. "Oh, and we're shutting down tomorrow."
1627[23:36:32] <Ede|Popede> so i had 3 runs of xfce in total and now the same number of running instances of both geoclue agent and system-config-printer/applet.py. coincidence? conspiracy? a sign? we'll find out right after the break.
1635[23:41:46] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: I wouldn't recommend it.
1636[23:41:55] <Ede|Popede> and why?
1637[23:42:00] <jhutchins> Especially if you are encrypting.
1638[23:42:12] <Ede|Popede> i don't think the concrete wall behind me will tell it to anyone
1639[23:42:39] <Ede|Popede> computers are used at home these days
1640[23:42:59] <zutat> homes are also computers now
1641[23:43:06] <Ede|Popede> if someone can hack me by reading the pw on the screen i definitely have other problems
1642[23:43:24] <Ede|Popede> smart homes for dumb people, yes
1643[23:44:06] <jhutchins> If they can read the screen directly they don't need the password.
1644[23:44:12] <Ede|Popede> a house full of IoT is what mobile phones have been in the 90s or a sports car in the 70s. actually used by some, but for most just an addon to their ego
1645[23:45:03] <Ede|Popede> a password on a screen is only a problem if someone is able to read it who shouldn't be able to read it