25[00:28:38] <alexrelis[m]> I have an install of Windows on an SSD. Does anyone know how I can use QEMU/KVM+virt-manager to "virtualize" my SSD so I can run Windows from that SSD? To clarify, I don't want to copy the contents of the drive as in image, I want to basically still use the SSD but just have it virtualized whenever I need to run a Windows program.
34[00:35:29] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: i'm currently doing something similar, but it was a fresh install (I'm passing a graphics card to the vms). While I've been successful with my graphics card passthrough, I'm still using a RAW image on an SSD rather than the SSD itself (but it's user ignorance causing the issue). Trying to convert an existing install might be "messy" (I'm looking at you video drivers and windows
35[00:35:35] <zykotick9> activiation)?!?! Virt-Manager with KVM and all the virtio stuff works well for me overall.
39[00:37:24] * alexrelis[m] uploaded an image: image.png (462KiB) < replaced-url
40[00:37:30] <alexrelis[m]> I get this message when trying to pass through the disk.
41[00:37:32] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: my previous setup, involved removable HDs (sata non-hotswapable) - windows did NOT like video card changes at all in my experience. YMMV
42[00:38:44] <alexrelis[m]> I'm guessing my error is ocurring because QEMU is BIOS and not UEFI by default, but I actually installed the addon which gives me a UEFI option, so I'm wondering if there's a way to let me passthrough regardless.
43[00:38:46] <zykotick9> alexrelis[m]: i had that EXACT same error. Something else to look into, perhaps passing the drive through the Add Hardware / STorage / option - but that also failed for me.
44[00:39:23] <alexrelis[m]> zykotick9: I'm almost certain it's because QEMU is BIOS-only by default which means it wouldn't support GPT partitions.
50[00:40:52] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: on that "Add new storage pool" dialog where you tried adding the disk, change the Format drop-down from auto to gpt
51[00:41:30] <zykotick9> fyi, you select the bios vs uefi when you create teh VM ("customize options" during the creation) i don't think you can change it after the fact.
52[00:41:54] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: these are the docs for that storage pool type: replaced-url
53[00:42:30] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: an alternative that might work if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the SATA controller that the drive is plugged into
55[00:42:55] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught: Your solution worked! But I have a follow up question.
56[00:43:03] * alexrelis[m] uploaded an image: image.png (474KiB) < replaced-url
57[00:43:20] <alexrelis[m]> Which volume do I pick? I want all the partitions to be included.
58[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught:
59[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> >an alternative that might work if your hardware supports it is PCI-passthrough of the SATA controller that the drive is plugged into
60[00:44:07] <alexrelis[m]> I am accessing this drive through a USB to m.2 enclosure.
61[00:46:31] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: I don't know what all those partitions are. I would guess that the largest one is C:. You might need to add each volume/partition as a virtual disk for the VM
62[00:47:19] <alexrelis[m]> jmcnaught: Oh sorry. sdb1 is the EFI partition, sdb2 I presume is for Windows boot loader, sdb3 is C:, sdb4 is nothing.
63[00:47:29] <alexrelis[m]> Okay I'll see what I can do.
65[00:50:40] <alexrelis[m]> And it says /dev/sdb right now, but will these changed be persistent upon reboot? Like, if on another day I had plugged in a flash drive that took the place of /dev/sdb, would QEMU get confused? Or is it assigned by UUID?
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68[00:53:32] <jmcnaught> alexrelis[m]: I think you will run into problems doing this by USB. For the storage pool that you just created (named 'pool'?) you can run "virsh pool-dumpxml pool" to see the XML config for it.
97[01:24:31] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: alexrelis[m]: thank you both. I'm now installing onto the ssd directly. Why... I'm not sure. That dropdown jmcnaught pointed out only had AUTO as an option, thus that didn't change. As I suspected, user ignorance in this case - but it's working.
108[01:32:18] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: I use the LVM storage pool where each volume is a logical volume. This lets me use LVM snapshotting on my Windows VM's C:. Then I PCIe passthrough an NVMe drive that I install games to.
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117[01:38:31] <Emil> Ie `ping asdf` works and resolves to asdf.fi
118[01:38:33] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: very cool. For a short time last week, I abandoned using my 2nd SSD for my two VMs, and used a 5200rpm spinning disk. Wasn't comparable. I haven't experienced nvme myself.
119[01:39:21] <jmcnaught> sponix: GTX 980
120[01:39:53] <sponix> zykotick9: I honestly didn't notice the change from sata ssd to nvme in my daily use. not like the huge leap from spinners to ssd drives
121[01:40:26] <zykotick9> sponix: thanks ;) good to know (now I don't have to feel as bad)
122[01:40:58] <sponix> jmcnaught: I run off a 960, and have passed a 580 in, but seems I might be victim of a "reset bug" that has never been fixed
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125[01:42:57] <jmcnaught> sponix: I used to pass through an RX 460 with the reset bug, I could work around it by suspending the host Debian system between guest VM boots but it was still a nuissance. Now that 460 is my Debian host's GPU.
174[01:57:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
175[01:57:38] <r399> sney, apologies, youre right, i should have been more specific
185[02:01:32] <Dagger> sponix: I use an RX 580 for passthrough, and it *seems* to work great. no reset issues that I've managed to spot yet (kernel 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64, qemu 5.0.0-rc0, Intel i5-6600k on an ASRock Z170 Extreme4 motherboard in case any of that is relevant)
200[02:19:01] <henko> zykotick9: when passing though a AMD GPU some models have a reset bug where you can pass it through only once. when you shutdown your VM you can't pass it through again so you need to run a reset script of some sort or entierly reboot you host
201[02:19:18] <henko> but the reset bugs are mostly fixed IIRC
202[02:19:19] <sponix> Dagger: chances are I'm just doing something wrong
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220[02:39:49] * zykotick9 doesn't notice any real performance difference between using the ssd passed through and his previous ssd as storage pool with RAW image file on it. Not needing the RH virtio iso to find a HD to install on was different.
326[05:02:33] <edufmass> cstls, I didn't try it. Like always happend, I search for distro, some says debian, other arch, etc. Then searched for window manager, the same, many opinions.. I chose i3 xD
327[05:02:43] <edufmass> (I don't speak english very well)
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346[05:32:46] <brachamh> gotta love debian! my uptime on this laptop right now is one hour short of 38 days, and it's still running awesome! had a slight hiccup when i left a browser window open with facebook for a while (overnight i think) but closed that and let the system straighten itself back out, and still going strong!
406[07:23:13] <Ede|Popede> but share is the only one used automatically it seems
407[07:24:58] <Ede|Popede> i used to copy the /usr/local structure in the past already, i think i will return to it on the long run. but there's also .cache and .config used by $everything, and the latter at least could also be part of .local then?
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592[11:46:46] <unixbsd> html and all those things make easily huge email box + comes calendar... best is then when ms comes with exchnage and all plugisn
741[14:52:46] <search_social> Hello, I just followed the instructions to build a copy of ungoogled chromium and it gave me a ungoogled-chromium_84.0.4147.135-1.buster1_amd64.deb file;;; I am wondering if there is a way for me to install this file "locally" i.e. in my home directory without root.
751[15:03:33] <ratrace> search_social: afaik no. but why? why not install it normally?
752[15:03:38] <eestiman> If I originally used nftables with iptables alternative being set to iptables-legacy, then removed nftables and installed iptables.... should I do something with the alternatives-update command related to iptables?
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772[15:10:21] <henko> Why does the Debian wiki state that removing apparmor is not viable solution, rather disabling it? I thought Apparmor is the underlaying framework for Snaps. Why is Apparmor installed on default on a debian netinstall?
774[15:12:00] <henko> Why use Apparmor in the first place when SELinux does "seemingly" the same job?
775[15:12:17] <ratrace> henko: AppArmor is a LSM and as such just a kernel module. what's default in buster, unlike stretch and before it, the kernel is compiled with that LSM enabled by default, previously you had to explicitly enable the module
776[15:12:46] <ratrace> so... "removing" it would most likely include rebuilding the kernel, and it's not needed when you can simply: a) not use it or b) disable ti through kernel command line options
777[15:13:03] <ratrace> selinux and apparmor are both MACs, but with different paradigms. in some cases one is better suitable than the other
781[15:13:38] <henko> well I guess I'll keep it enabled then
782[15:14:00] <ratrace> and debian opted for AA because ubuntu is AA's upstream and is defaulting to it actively, like RHEL clones are actively defaulting to selinux.
783[15:14:18] <ratrace> so while selinux _is_ available on Debian, the question is how good are the policies and how much pain is there to make the ref policies work properly.
784[15:14:30] <tarzeau> henko: but who is using snaps?
786[15:14:46] <ratrace> similarly, AA policies are almost nonexistent and those that do exist might not be 100% tested and usable. personally, I wrote all the AA policies that I use, myself.
787[15:15:04] <tarzeau> ratrace: do you have them public?
788[15:15:12] <tarzeau> testing on multiuser machines?
789[15:15:15] <henko> tarzeau: I'm not... just came across apparmor. Trying to get rid of flatpaks atm
790[15:15:23] <ratrace> no, and they wouldn't be usable publicly. I keep a very strict and customized environment that's not generically suitable
791[15:15:50] <henko> ratrace: thanks for the insight
792[15:16:13] <tarzeau> henko: i'm also trying to stick strictly to .deb: replaced-url
793[15:16:36] <henko> I guess I was spooked, cuz I've seen Snaps and Apparmor together. Seems the lather is completly fine :)
798[15:17:46] <ratrace> henko: snaps don't use any packaged profiles but autogenerate them on the fly for running snaps. that said, they're usually good enough, and are the _only_ way to make the containers with a security boundary
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800[15:18:18] <ratrace> or in other words, the snaps framework and snapd generate the AA profile based on snaps "interfaces" and intrenal policies
802[15:18:47] <ratrace> the only bad thing about it is that they're not built to be modifiable, which sucks if you know AA and want to improve your local system.
804[15:19:55] <ratrace> so for "normal" operations, like intended functionality of a snap, AA should be enabled and left to work with snapd-generated policies. you alter the confinement with enabling or disabling snap interfaces
813[15:23:32] <ratrace> I don't use chromium, but ..... the chromium snap is one very good example where snaps work better over .deb packaged alternatives
814[15:23:59] <tarzeau> ratrace: all my systems are with `apt-get --purge remove snapd`
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816[15:25:01] <pasiz> i have no debian systems where snapd is installed
817[15:25:12] <pasiz> so i don't see a point to remove it
818[15:25:21] <ratrace> oh WOW chromium finally landed in sid, after months of being vulnerable and outdated? :)
823[15:26:46] <tarzeau> ratrace: well they are not *mine*, those at work are ubuntus, i personally own a gnu/kfreebsd without systemd and sid.ethz.ch (sid+experimental)
825[15:27:17] <ratrace> tarzeau: so chromium... you can help keep it up to date, and pls I think I'll need Slack :)
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827[15:27:40] <tarzeau> ratrace: of course it must be dfsg compliant
828[15:27:51] <tarzeau> ratrace: for slack we use matrix :)
829[15:27:51] <ratrace> tarzeau: and on that note, can ubuntu desktops even run without snaps? the gnome they package is snap (only I think?) and things like chromium is definitely snap only
830[15:28:06] <tarzeau> ratrace: yes ubuntu desktops 18.04 and 20.04 run perfectly without snaps
831[15:28:21] <ratrace> well, neat, then.
832[15:28:29] <tarzeau> our users get what they deserve: no chromium, but netsurf and links2
833[15:28:47] <pasiz> links2 is so good in fb
834[15:28:55] <pasiz> no need for xorg
835[15:29:11] <tarzeau> pasiz: and finally supports custom fonts too!
836[15:29:31] <ratrace> why even bother with http! go gopher!
837[15:29:55] <dvs> heh
838[15:31:33] <pasiz> there is so tiny amount of gopher sites remaining
851[15:40:58] <eestiman> Seems I disabled docker from writting to iptables, which explains why it wasn't writting to iptables. thanks for the help pasiz :)
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857[15:48:42] <Boodie> Hi I am trying to mount a router connected USB drive using samba. So far if I put the router's IP in the file manager, I can see the router's name. If I double click on it, it asks me for the username domain (default = 'WORKGROUP') and password. tried the password given in the router, no success. What am I missing?
858[15:49:35] <mrkramps> Boodie, set up a user for shares in your router
870[16:05:46] <Ede|Popede> no what is this dubious "EFI-Wechseldatenträgerpfad" where the installer wants to install Grub? a lot of text, warning about buggy implementations, then suggesting this method, then warning about it could break other OSes. so what now?
885[16:12:57] <Ede|Popede> i still have this older buster install on one of the 2 HDDs, small EFI, Swap, Buster, then some more partitions, partially empty. one of them is 10.6 now. and now what to do with the boot options? because:
889[16:14:07] <Ede|Popede> for the previous installation i even removed everything but this HDD, told the installer to use its mbr. well, it did not. have to boot from a stick now. now idea what it did, and since this is my first EFI PC ever, i still don't really get what's going on
891[16:14:54] <Ede|Popede> but would be nice to have this disk bootable w/o some other boot record from somewhere else, and then both systems available from grub.
892[16:15:53] <Ede|Popede> only now i have to decide if the installer may enforce Grub installation on this whatever path or not. and the text on the screen doesn't really help me.
893[16:16:01] <Boodie> Does anybody know of a cloud backup that is Linux (Debian, eventually) compatible?
894[16:16:25] <sig_9> dropbox,owncloud
895[16:16:27] <sig_9> lots
896[16:16:40] <Kobaz> [Sun Dec 27 15:38:09 2020] Page cache invalidation failure on direct I/O. Possible data corruption due to collision with buffered I/O!
905[16:18:08] <ratrace> cloudlinux is a RHEL clone ....
906[16:18:43] <ratrace> it's not a backup service . I think you con-fuzed some "cloud" things there :)
907[16:18:48] <Ede|Popede> i can't even say now what the case is with EFI/UEFI or not. PC came (used) with a Win10 UEFI installation, i had to change things a few times in the bios until i was finally able to reboot... can't even remember this one. maybe livedebian, maybe the installer, maybe the installed system. all i remember it took me more than a single installation round to get a working debian on that disk.
908[16:19:08] <cybercrypto> Boodie: In GNU/Linux, you can use lots of cloud services as a client. What are you looking for?
910[16:20:15] <Ede|Popede> sig_9: did you notice the inconsistent usage of Loader and Manager on the refind page? confusing...
911[16:20:21] <sig_9> ratrace: no, he could provide his own cloud services with cloudlinux, debian or anything else he would like. shoot, gdrive even works decent in linux nowadays.
912[16:20:39] <sig_9> Ede|Popede: I've only used it once years ago for an old imac
913[16:21:09] <ratrace> sig_9: CloudLinux is a RHEL clone. it's just called that. it's not any cloud service, or oriented to cloud services. it's a RHEL clone. bug-for-bug compatible RHEL.
914[16:21:27] <sig_9> it is a cloud based OS
915[16:21:32] <Boodie> I mean, an online storage with incremental backup in real time? With BT I have access to a 2TB drive but it's a matter of manually copying & pasting directories ... their app works only with windows
916[16:21:40] <ratrace> sig_9: no. it's a RHEL clone. also.... what is a "cloud based OS"?
917[16:21:56] <sig_9> for cloud servers
918[16:21:57] <FightingFalcon> What happens when i update debian 9 to 10?
919[16:22:05] <Boodie> So, you have to install a distro ...
920[16:22:12] <james1138> Question from Indiana. Anyone here use Bluetooth with Debian??
921[16:22:15] <Kobaz> FightingFalcon: the magic unicorns say thanks
922[16:22:16] <ratrace> sig_9: so then Debian is a "cloud based OS"?
923[16:22:22] <sig_9> Boodie: if you want to run your own cloud server
947[16:26:31] <cybercrypto> Boodie: Lets clear things up: You have a Linux-Desktop and want to backup your files into a cloud-free-provider? If it is just your desktop files you want to backup 'easily and safely at the cloud' take a look into 'Deja Dup Backup'
952[16:28:02] <cybercrypto> Boodie: Deja dup allows you to use Google Drive built-in. (you can use other online storages with a bit more 'cli' setup/work
954[16:28:21] <ratrace> just one thing to consider when backing data up "into cloud" ... is it encrypted, and do you mind if someone other than you can access it.
955[16:28:23] <Ede|Popede> so a4 is mounted on /target, a1 on /target/boot/efi. seems fine, a4 is meant to hold the system, a1 is the EFI partition of the previous install. depending on what (YES or NO) i select on that screen, what will the installer do?
956[16:29:00] <cybercrypto> ratrace: Yeap. Dejadup does that (encryption support)
983[16:33:53] <DanteD> Anyone managed to share a folder with write access with virt-manager (debian host and guest ) ? I can delete files if my folder is owned by libvirt-qemu but I can't create new files
984[16:34:17] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: well what greycat said, pretty much. you should find out what you installed from where and then investigate if those packages exist in buster, if dependencies exist, are met, would collide, etc....
990[16:37:53] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: or! and here's a crazy idea! back up all your data, list of installed packages, /etc... hell, make a full OS copy, make a Buster ISO just in case, and try to upgrade. worst case, you install Buster from scratch.
991[16:38:10] <FightingFalcon> i will try that
992[16:38:50] <ratrace> on a less drammatic note, but also including having backups, you could uninstall packages from third party repos, upgrade, then see if you can install the third-part packages for buster, if you even need them
993[16:39:00] <cybercrypto> FightingFalcon: Just check the release notes starting from your current version and onwards. Disable customized repositories and follow update/upgrade instructions. Backup first and you should be good.
1001[16:41:43] <henko> well worst case when upgrading and doing a backup of course.. bunch of software could stop working, right? then just remove the parts which aren't needed and figure out how to install the old software on debian. that would be my way of doing this. Mind you I've never distro upgraded my debian yet.
1103[17:53:21] <Deyaa> Automatically like install certain packes and GitHub repo on a new Debian installation
1104[17:53:39] <Deyaa> Repos*
1105[17:53:41] <greycat> setup.bash is not a thing that we know anything about. It sounds like a script that's included with *ONE* specific package, so you'd have to name the package for us to have any chance of knowing what you're talking about.
1114[17:56:31] <greycat> The primary, fundamental failure here is that these people think there is one consistent way to build and install software that will work with EVERY piece of software. This is beyond laughable.
1116[18:00:03] <greycat> (although usually they think "./configure && make && sudo make install" is the magic recipe -- this "setup.bash" nonsense is a new one, which must be an artifact of the one particular piece of software they happened to start with)
1117[18:00:51] <ratrace> i think the question here is about preseeding debian installations ... if I'm understanding it correctly
1118[18:01:25] <ratrace> the only other way for "automatically installing software on a debian installation", aside from using custom scripts, is config automation ala ansible or salstack or chef
1119[18:01:30] <greycat> that would actually be sensible and on-topic, so no, I'm sure it's not about preseeding ;-)
1120[18:01:38] <ratrace> heh
1121[18:01:47] <n4dir> what i would do, knowing what i know and not knowing other things, i'd probably do one installation, create an installable snapshot of it and then install that. Then had to deal with differing hardware, of course.
1123[18:01:55] <Deyaa> 2:45 PM <rk4> one could always use puppet/chef/et al to setup your computer too if you are so inclined
1124[18:02:00] <Deyaa> 3:01 PM <rk4> bash script is the simplest imho
1125[18:02:35] <ratrace> oh I think they meant you write a custom bash (shell really) script populated with `apt install` and whatever else you need
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1127[18:02:58] <greycat> There is no single answer because there are so many possible variants of the goal. If the goal is "I want to install these 5 things that have to be compiled, but I only want to do the work one time", you could either package them yourself, or compile them all into /opt and then rsync the master /opt to all the new nodes, or whatever.
1128[18:03:03] <greycat> Lots of possible answers.
1129[18:03:27] <n4dir> yup, the goal is not really clear.
1130[18:03:44] <greycat> because they started with the fallacious assumption that there is a single consistent way to build every piece of software
1131[18:03:47] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: :-) how to answer something which we dont know the question/objective?
1132[18:04:02] <greycat> so they think "oh, this'll be easy, I don't have to give any details or think"
1145[18:05:46] <sig_9> a good practice once you have the setup you want is to create a list of insalled packages: 'dpkg --get-selections > yourpackages.txt
1146[18:05:52] <Ede|Popede> Deyaa: *now* it sounds like preseed to me, which was linked before
1164[18:10:37] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: So you have a 'list-of-packes' you want to install after every fresh debian installation? Check ratrace linked 'preseeding' in chat history. Read it and you may find out if that will work for your needs.
1165[18:10:49] <Deyaa> What do you guys prefer to use?
1166[18:10:50] <n4dir> but then you still have to do the configuring of certain applications. Which to me is more work then installing the few packages i use. Hence i rsync the config files to a stick.
1167[18:11:20] <cybercrypto> Deyaa: I prefer installgin packages myself. period.
1168[18:11:28] <n4dir> if i would do such all the time, i would use something like refractasnapshot (non-debian tool)
1169[18:11:53] <ratrace> Deyaa: I use ansible, as it also allows me to keep on configuring and maintaining multiple machines with a central policy.
1170[18:12:24] <Ede|Popede> hm. the installer wants me to reboot now, doesn't mention the screenshots in /var/log anymore. and there doesn't seem to be copies of the files on the installed system yet.
1171[18:12:56] <tyzef> hi guys, I get stuck here : replaced-url
1173[18:13:26] <Deyaa> Thanks guys for your suggestions. I will read it carefully and choose the one that suits me.
1174[18:13:59] <sig_9> ansible is a good tool and it is in the repos
1175[18:14:54] <converge> Im trying to install an app, but its complaining about a missing dependency, "libappindicator3-1" , there are two packages called (libappindicator3-0.1-cil and libappindicator3-0.1-cil-dev) , do Debian unstable has a "libappindicator3-1" package?
1177[18:16:06] <ratrace> converge: the pattern of package naming is that -dev are headers and other files required for building the main package, or any that links against it
1178[18:16:45] <ratrace> also building custom software for sid is kinda offtopic here. better ask in:
1179[18:16:47] <ratrace> !debian-next
1180[18:16:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1187[18:23:31] <Deyaa> sig_9: I will keep that in mind
1188[18:23:41] <Deyaa> Thanks
1189[18:26:40] <cybercrypto> unixbsd: not really... Unfortunatelly I only found planner alternatives using online services. Free online services are not good enougth and I use smartsheets.
1206[18:43:39] <netcrash> Hello , is there any package for libkqueue for debian buster?
1207[18:44:22] <unixbsd> (we love ads right ;? likely the linux kernel will have google ads soon or later, since google is major contributor)
1208[18:45:43] <Ede|Popede> the correct opacity may change it into "who cares" at least :)
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1210[18:48:39] <Ede|Popede> what options does the `cp` on the installer have? just says [OPTIONS]. have to save /var/log to HDD, mostly for the screenshots.
1211[18:48:49] <Brigo_> ,v libkqueue
1212[18:48:51] <judd> No package named 'libkqueue' was found in amd64.
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1260[19:16:31] <wsky> ,pinning
1261[19:16:55] <sney> the bullseye freeze is in 3 weeks. at this point if you need bullseye/sid versions of packages, it's pretty safe to just use bullseye.
1262[19:19:52] <netcrash> Brigo_: thank you
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1265[19:20:48] <Brigo_> netcrash, np
1266[19:22:59] <sponix2ipfw> sney: That mean we are going to get another Stable soon ?
1267[19:23:20] <sney> fsvo "soon", the last few freezes have lasted ~8 months
1268[19:23:50] <sponix2ipfw> Oh... I'm fine with that. Not in a rush honestly ;)
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1287[19:38:13] <Ede|Popede> is sddm's appearance a debian product? because it's a bit hard to read the blue timestamp in front of the blueish background. but all in all it's a nice view.
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1406[20:48:14] <seanrobert> I want to slightly modify a Debian package's source. But then I still want to upgrade the package when new versions come out. Are there any best practices for doing this?
1407[20:49:34] <greycat> when you set the new package version, put +yourinitials or something similar at the end
1411[20:51:46] <n4dir> seanrobert: look right at the top of that how-to, julian67 probably gave the explanation later in that thread, but i can't find it: replaced-url
1412[20:52:20] <seanrobert> OK thanks, I will take some time reviewing this
1413[20:52:40] <n4dir> it is old, as you see. Not sure how valid all of it still is. Just keep that in mind
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1435[21:18:33] <Ede|Popede> the utf8 handling on my new 10.6 in the terminal is a bit strange. had to 'edit /etc/default/console-setup # CHARMAP="UTF-8"' and then `setupcon` (from notes i made for the livesystem), now "süßölgefäß" is written correctly, only when feeding it into `hd` the 'ß' is replaced by a square and a dot. same for the capital versions. and moving the cursor around the 'echo' line before <enter> destroy
1436[21:18:33] <Ede|Popede> s the layout. font problem i guess?
1437[21:22:03] <Ede|Popede> /etc/default/console-setup is the same as here. and here it works.
1463[21:35:41] <sney> probably environment differences. I take it vnc.sh is something you made? you will likely need to declare environment variables and use full paths inside it
1474[21:46:50] <hramrach> no difference with full paths, and both programs used (mktemp and x11vnc) are in /usr/bin which should be in path in sane environment anyway
1475[21:47:04] <sklav> hi guys is backports the only way to get a more recent kernel? or are there better methods without having to rebuild from src
1476[21:47:53] <greycat> backports is certainly the easiest
1477[21:48:12] <dvs> sklav: rebuild from src ;-P
1478[21:48:28] <sklav> im trying to avoid having to rebuilt
1479[21:48:45] <dvs> then backports it is!
1480[21:48:55] <sklav> backports works just was under the impression there was a binary for latest kernels
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1482[21:49:11] <sney> there are 3rd party kernels around, they aren't supported here, but generally self-contained enough to behave
1508[22:10:31] <hramrach> I would like to see the program output in the terminal for debugging. However, using terminal=false allows the program to start
1509[22:11:24] <n4dir> i recall something like: xterm -e; and quite some terminal emulators seem to use -e for such. I can't tell you much more, been ages i needed such
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1561[22:37:01] <hramrach> anyway, this is as good as it gets with the current software stack
1562[22:37:04] <hramrach> thanks for help
1563[22:38:09] <Ede|Popede> xfce's default panel Clock still has the disappearing bug in Buster. i'm surprised Debian didn't fix it, if on its own or by importing whatever upstream would have made in the meantime.
1578[22:50:19] <beelzebuzz> whoever mentioned regolith desktop recently.. thanks. wasn't aware of it
1579[22:51:20] <Ede|Popede> n4dir: it's the one just named 'Clock'. the default after initial install. did some changes and when closing the dialog it just disappeared. as it did on stretch already. but after all it's still 4.12.
1609[23:08:56] <Ede|Popede> weird, happened on this stretch, every time on the live system (i just don't want to sit even a single hour on a clock not showing date and time including seconds) and now on buster. the moment i change the string WHOOSH it's gone.
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1658[23:50:17] <Exagone313> Hi, I have systemd installed from buster-backports (because, some time ago, I needed systemd >= 242, but I no longer do). It seems that the latest upgrade is not compatible with latest linux-image-amd64, so it tries to remove it (I haven't yet found the exact dependency issue). I have two options, either find a way to downgrade systemd, but there is a new package named "systemd-timesyncd" that isn't in stable, so not easy to downgrade without uninstalling
1659[23:50:17] <Exagone313> systemd (!), or upgrade linux-image-amd64 to buster-backports version (will probably work, but still needs to remove installed kernel version and I don't like it), but it may be a security issue in the future if a critical vulnerability appears that is not directly patched in buster-backports. replaced-url
1660[23:51:51] <sney> since you haven't installed the new bpo systemd yet, just 'apt-mark hold systemd' to keep it at 246.6
1661[23:53:08] <Exagone313> sney: yes, good idea if I want to do other upgrades
1663[23:54:49] <Exagone313> if I boot on another OS and mount the disk I could probably remove and reinstall systemd without issue
1664[23:56:29] <sney> it's likely that this dependency conflict was a mistake on the maintainer's part, and will be fixed soonish. your best bet without having to tangle with chroots or uninstalling the running kernel is to hold systemd for a few weeks, then unhold it and try the upgrade again