• 0[00:00:20] <quadrathoch2> incal we would need more info to really help you out, like a pastebin
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• 2[00:00:38] <incal> quadrathoch2, yes, of what you mean?
• 3[00:00:40] <quadrathoch2> but if you installed the nvidia blob, it will disable nouveau automatically
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• 5[00:00:59] <quadrathoch2> for example which errors you get (or at least claim) about kernel mods
• 6[00:01:48] <incal> OK, let's focus on removing it... just removing nvidia-driver didn't do the job it seems. there are still other nvidia- packs installed
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• 9[00:03:46] <Ede|Popede> incal: maybe debtree could help with dependencies. if you remove one of the lower ones those depending on them would also disappear.
• 10[00:04:21] <quadrathoch2> incal dpkg -l | grep nvidia should also give you a good overview of what might be related to the driver
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• 12[00:04:59] <jmcnaught> incal: if you are trying to go back to using nouveau then you need to remove/edit the blacklist file for it in /etc/modprobe.d/
• 13[00:05:53] <incal> quadrathoch2, got 18 hits for that command, should I remove all of them?
• 14[00:06:09] <quadrathoch2> incal paste them into paste.debian.net
• 15[00:06:11] <quadrathoch2> let's see
• 16[00:07:02] <incal> jmcnaught, yes there is nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf and nvidia.conf in /etc/modprobe.d - remove?
• 17[00:07:38] <jmcnaught> incal: you need to remove the one that blacklists the nouveau module
• 18[00:08:20] <incal> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
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• 20[00:08:44] <incal> jmcnaught, that is nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf ? OK, removing
• 21[00:09:16] <quadrathoch2> incal yep all of them and what jmcnaught said
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• 28[00:12:05] <incal> OK, removing all
• 29[00:12:08] <incal> good feeling :)
• 30[00:13:27] <incal> all removed as well as nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf
• 31[00:13:36] <incal> now, reboot?
• 32[00:13:56] <quadrathoch2> incal what about nvidia.conf?
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• 34[00:14:05] <incal> remove that as well? OK
• 35[00:14:12] <quadrathoch2> not sure whats in it but probably makes sense to remove
• 36[00:15:30] <incal> hm, doesn't seem to be there anymore. now there are only three files: amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf dkms.conf nvidia-kernel-common.conf
• 37[00:15:39] <incal> remove nvidia-kernel-common.conf ?
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• 39[00:16:01] <quadrathoch2> do you have an intel cpu?
• 40[00:16:03] <quadrathoch2> yes
• 41[00:17:00] <incal> no AMD4 x86_64
• 42[00:17:31] <incal> OK, removed
• 43[00:17:49] <quadrathoch2> great, reboot
• 44[00:17:53] <incal> :)
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• 53[00:20:34] <incal> ah it works thank you so much <3
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• 55[00:21:50] <quadrathoch2> incal :) great
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• 58[00:23:38] <incal> sensors say this, does it make sense? replaced-url
• 59[00:24:33] <mrkramps> yes
• 60[00:24:52] <incal> OK, everything fine then :)
• 61[00:24:59] <incal> *phew*
• 62[00:25:01] <incal> :)
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• 72[00:41:11] <Ede|Popede> the installer of 10.6 gives me 4.19.0-10 and -11 as kernels, but linux-image-amd64 is preselected. should i keep this? there's already a 10.1 installed on the disk, is the older kernel from that one?
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• 74[00:42:04] <sney> Ede|Popede: linux-image-amd64 will make sure your kernel is upgraded along with the rest when you 'apt upgrade', so that is the option most users should select
• 75[00:43:01] <Ede|Popede> at least atm this is a standalone pc (thus the fat iso download i did), but ok i'll keep it. just for potential networked situations to come.
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• 77[00:49:12] <Ede|Popede> uh, now the software selection. using awesomewm on the 10.1 with just about 280 installed packages. this one is meant to become the daily workhorse. or maybe some host OS? Xen, VM, what's state of the art now?
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• 79[00:52:31] <Ede|Popede> looks like the <virtualization> thing points to enough topics to spend half of the night with them
• 80[00:58:58] <Ede|Popede> hm, i think i should be able to set up another buster in the future, maybe replacing the 10.1 installation, so i don't even waste another partition.
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• 82[00:59:51] <Ede|Popede> 2820 packages with everything selected, wow.
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• 89[01:05:15] <chieta> trying create some bandwith usage to specific interface let's say ens0p2 using iperf but no luck with this $ iperf -c localhost --bind ens0p2 -w 15K
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• 91[01:06:02] <chieta> any ideas to do this bandwith test/generation
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• 105[01:38:04] <mrkramps> chieta, you need to have an iperf server running
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• 107[01:40:19] <chieta> yes
• 108[01:40:23] <chieta> mrkramps
• 109[01:40:34] <chieta> but i want to use specific interface
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• 111[01:42:13] <mrkramps> chieta, afaik only works on the server side
• 112[01:42:31] <chieta> ok which option should i use?
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• 114[01:42:33] <chieta> -B
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• 116[01:42:36] <chieta> not working
• 117[01:43:15] <mrkramps> iperf -c runs in client mode, iperf -s runs in server mode
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• 120[01:46:04] <chieta> yes it is true, mrkramps
• 121[01:46:14] <chieta> but how to using specific interface
• 122[01:46:22] <chieta> i hardly found on the man
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• 124[01:47:01] <mrkramps> chieta, you can bind the server to a specific device
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• 127[01:47:48] <mrkramps> btw. are talking iperf2 or iperf3 here?
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• 129[01:49:20] <mrkramps> kk, iperf2
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• 139[02:04:54] <chieta> iperf2 would be ok
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• 160[03:10:06] <horribleprogram> horribleprogram dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip replaced-url
• 161[03:10:12] <horribleprogram> dang
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• 163[03:10:26] <horribleprogram> I can't chown -R
• 164[03:10:28] <horribleprogram> even with sudo
• 165[03:10:43] <horribleprogram> root and root are user and group of /media
• 166[03:11:27] <horribleprogram> /dev/sdb2 on /media type exfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,iocharset=utf8,errors=remount-ro)
• 167[03:11:58] <sney> exfat doesn't support unix permissions
• 168[03:12:16] <horribleprogram> what I do
• 169[03:12:18] <horribleprogram> then
• 170[03:12:20] <horribleprogram> lol
• 171[03:12:49] <horribleprogram> also it's a samba share
• 172[03:12:59] <sney> cifs doesn't support unix permissions either.
• 173[03:13:06] <sney> you should probably start by saying what you want to do.
• 174[03:13:15] <horribleprogram> chown -R everything
• 175[03:13:25] <horribleprogram> sudo chown -R horribleprogram /media
• 176[03:13:28] <sney> back a step. what is your goal
• 177[03:13:29] <horribleprogram> so I can read/write to it
• 178[03:13:33] <horribleprogram> oh
• 179[03:13:38] <horribleprogram> read/write to it when I'm on my mac
• 180[03:14:11] <horribleprogram> maybe if I mount it to my home directory or something?
• 181[03:14:19] <sney> yep, that's one option
• 182[03:14:23] <horribleprogram> ahh
• 183[03:14:27] <horribleprogram> and other options? ;)
• 184[03:14:36] <horribleprogram> cuz i don't really wanna change my smb.conf
• 185[03:14:39] <sney> unmount it, and set the ownership of /media to your user
• 186[03:14:44] <horribleprogram> AHHHH
• 187[03:14:48] <horribleprogram> cool tysm
• 188[03:14:57] <horribleprogram> merry christmas all
• 189[03:15:02] <horribleprogram> tc
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• 230[03:46:46] <PamiPetteri> I compiled the Linux kernel for my Debian GNU stable. Why does the version number show as x.y.z+? It has a trailing + sign: "Linux luola 5.10.2+ #1 SMP Sat Dec 26 00:44:06 EET 2020 x86_64 GNU/Linux".
• 231[03:48:37] <oerheks> "a.b.c", where the number "a" denoted the kernel version, the number "b" denoted the major revision of the kernel, and the number "c" indicated the minor revision
• 232[03:49:06] <Devastator> I think he is asking about the + sign at the end
• 233[03:49:11] <sney> I bet the config has CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="+"
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• 235[03:50:01] <PamiPetteri> sney: why would it? should I check it out with less or nano or emacs?
• 236[03:50:14] <PamiPetteri> sney: if it does, what for? what is the LOCALVERSION?
• 237[03:50:40] <Devastator> localversion is for your own control, if you want anyway
• 238[03:50:43] <sney> LOCALVERSION is where you set the local version string, so you can tell via uname what kernel this is and where it came from
• 239[03:50:47] <sney> it's absolutely benign
• 240[03:51:34] <rk4> wait so this premium plus model Linux i was sold...that was all bullshit?
• 241[03:51:52] <PamiPetteri> CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
• 242[03:52:27] <sney> hm, well it might be sourcing it from elsewhere
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• 245[03:55:49] <Devastator> PamiPetteri check if CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO=y
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• 247[04:04:54] <PamiPetteri> Devastator: thank you.
• 248[04:06:44] <PamiPetteri> how do I remove modules and drivers and features from the kernel to suit my K5130 tower PC that has Intel core i3 and NVidia Geforce from 2013? I want to "slim down" the kernel, to save memory and to make the system faster. I want everything to work properly, though. Now there are no crashes, currently. I rarely encounter true crashes on GNU Debian stable.
• 249[04:06:52] <PamiPetteri> ?
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• 252[04:13:44] <__dutch__> PamiPetteri: unused (unloaded) modules will have no effect on speed or memory, although build times may be a little longer.
• 253[04:14:18] <PamiPetteri> __dutch__: thanks.
• 254[04:15:59] <__dutch__> removing built-in drivers may save a few MB in memory and have a somewhat smaller image size and boot time, but negligible memory benefit with >1GB of ram.
• 255[04:16:29] <Devastator> PamiPetteri you also should look here on how to build kernel on debian, so you don't break your package manager: replaced-url
• 256[04:16:35] <Devastator> ~frankendebian
• 257[04:16:38] <Devastator> opss
• 258[04:17:10] <__dutch__> still fun to configure your own, though.
• 259[04:17:46] <Devastator> PamiPetteri have a good read: replaced-url
• 260[04:18:33] <PamiPetteri> Devastator: I use sudo dpkg --install kernel_package_names*.deb
• 261[04:19:03] <PamiPetteri> Devastator: I use make -j4 deb-pkg too
• 262[04:19:21] <Devastator> you should be ok then
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• 367[07:48:55] <dimitry008> #j /ubuntuu
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• 412[09:05:13] <luckyxxl> hey, i'm developing sth with libavcodec, and i'm segfaulting in avcodec_receive_frame (libavcodec.so.58.35.100) right now. is there a way to get debug symbols for the build that's distributed with debian buster? i couldn't find a *-dbg package and find-dbgsym-packages didn't find anything as well.
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• 431[09:20:35] <luckyxxl> nvm, found the issue with the help of the gdb disassembler
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• 455[09:50:04] <__marco> Morning. I create a package using dpkg-buildpackage -sd to not include the original source and this is actually the case for the .changes file. When I then upload the package(s) using dput I notice that the source package is still present in the .dsc file and hence it fails the second time I try upload: orig.tar.gz" is already registered with different checksums!
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• 457[09:51:04] <__marco> I build the same package with the same version for different distributions, this is where the collision happen. The repository is a personal one.
• 458[09:51:40] <n4dir> try #packaging ; probably on OFTC IRC server
• 459[09:51:43] <__marco> Do you know how to exclude the orig.tar.gz file from the .dsc file as well as I did for the .changes file?
• 460[09:51:54] <__marco> n4dir: ok, thanks
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• 462[09:52:04] <n4dir> assuming you won't get your answwer her. Not saying here is not the right place, by no means
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• 468[09:54:52] <unixbsd> Do you maybe know an alternative software to OSMO (mini calendar) using X11/GTK/Kde ?
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• 471[09:58:18] <__marco> Just to give more info, I do also package a second software and for it I did achieve to upload the same version for different distributions. When I say same version I mean same original version but different debian version, as it is in debian/changelog. Ex. 2.0.0b10-0~sid1 Vs. 2.0.0b10-0~buster1. I don't remember now how did I solve, maybe using a different upload command. I build the repository using reprepro. What it is possible is that for the second
• 472[09:58:18] <__marco> software I did not used dput at all. One way to add a package with reprepro is using the includedeb sub-command and the other is using dput+processincoming sub-command
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• 490[10:36:11] <__marco> I solved passing -b parameter to dpkg-buildpackage
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• 537[11:48:19] <cbrowne> I'm having some issues with the /bin/X11 -> /bin symlink, is anything going to break if I just remove that link?
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• 544[11:57:29] <ratrace> cbrowne: no idea; TIAS; but, why would you want to remove it? is something broken about it?
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• 546[11:58:19] <wsky> why there is no ecryptfs in buster?
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• 548[12:00:01] <ratrace> Bug #765854
• 549[12:00:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 550[12:01:14] <wsky> i see
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• 554[12:03:22] <cbrowne> ratrace: not itself, Steam is trying to traverse the filesystem and getting stuck in a loop - I'm really trying to solve the issue with Steam but wanted to remove the link as a troubleshooting step, to see if it would at least prove/disprove my theory about what's going wrong
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• 556[12:04:18] <ratrace> cbrowne: how did you install Steam? Steam works JustFine(tm) here
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• 558[12:04:58] <cbrowne> it's only one specific game that's having trouble, and specifically the cloud save sync that's getting caught in the loop - the game is Farming Simulator 19 if you're curious
• 559[12:05:07] <ratrace> but then uh... I _do_ have an Apparmor profile on Steam so it can't wander about the filesystem willy nilly. It _did_ work JustFine(tm) even without the profoile, tho
• 560[12:05:27] <cbrowne> yeah I should probably do that myself to be honest :P
• 561[12:06:03] <ratrace> cbrowne: well try unlinking it and see. iirc /bin/X11/ is legacy thing but since /bin/ is in your $PATH anyway, my educated guess is that nothing will break
• 562[12:06:37] <ratrace> (well, unless something's trying to use the full path there)
• 563[12:07:51] <ratrace> cbrowne: might also be possible to start steam in a namespace with /bin/X11/ detached
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• 566[12:10:04] <cbrowne> that's another idea
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• 644[13:22:53] <mmx_in_orbit> debian stretch problem when trying to run a 2004 game dedicated server called Painkiller, how to fix? - error while loading shared libraries libstdc++.so.5 cannot open shared object file No such file or directory
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• 648[13:28:34] <Sarcutus> mmx_in_orbit: Have a look at this: replaced-url
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• 650[13:29:58] <mmx_in_orbit> thanks
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• 652[13:35:01] <lt> Is there any simple way to upgrade debian kernel to 5.10?
• 653[13:35:57] <quadrathoch2> lt is 5.9 not enough (which is in backports)
• 654[13:35:58] <lt> I found about apt-cache search linux-image but version 4.19 is the latest
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• 657[13:37:04] <another> ,kernels
• 658[13:37:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-5-686 (5.9.15-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.9.6-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 659[13:37:06] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 661[13:44:46] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 663[13:45:42] <Azrael_-> i've got an ancient squeeze debian here which doesn't properly align the timezones any more (germany with daylight saving). how can i manually align it even though ntpd is running?
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• 666[13:51:29] <lt> Thanks to quadrathoch2, I didn't know about backports or how to use them on debain
• 667[13:51:45] <quadrathoch2> !backports
• 668[13:51:45] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 670[13:51:50] <quadrathoch2> hm
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• 672[13:52:20] <quadrathoch2> !debian-backports
• 673[13:52:20] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 674[13:52:25] <quadrathoch2> lt ^
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• 678[13:57:03] <lt> quadrathoch2: it's clear to me after you mentioned it, I didn't know about it before.
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• 682[14:01:17] <tMH> hello everyone. I just intalled fresh version of Debian (upgraded old hardware to middle aged notebook), I did set static IPs for v4 and v6 networks, but I still see dhcp assigned address for local net... can someone tell me how to get rid off this one ?
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• 685[14:02:39] <tMH> I understand that there some /etc/* file has this single line - inet eth0 dhcp, but what the place this one located - I cannot find that fast
• 686[14:02:46] <lt> what is "bpo" and "rt" stand for in given list of the available linux headers?
• 687[14:03:35] <tMH> r50:/etc# grep "iface eth0 inet dhcp" -R .
• 688[14:03:35] <tMH> grep: ./systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/live-tools.service: No such file or directory
• 689[14:03:36] <tMH> grep: ./systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/rsync.service: No such file or directory
• 690[14:03:50] <tMH> no luck to search needed string...
• 691[14:03:51] <tMH> heck !
• 692[14:05:32] <Brigo_> lt, i think bpo is backports and rt is realtime
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• 694[14:06:04] <Brigo_> tMH, /etc/network/interfaces has the inet line
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• 697[14:08:37] <tMH> Brigo_ - lemme see
• 698[14:08:57] <tMH> r50:/etc/network# cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep dhcp
• 699[14:08:57] <tMH> r50:/etc/network#
• 700[14:08:59] <tMH> nope.
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• 702[14:09:12] <tMH> Brigo_ - got another idea ?:)
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• 710[14:17:11] <tMH> inet 192.168.0.10/16 brd 192.168.255.255 scope global eth0
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• 712[14:17:25] <tMH> but I set 192.168.0.94/16 in interfaces file..
• 713[14:17:50] <lt> thanks guys .. I'm going to reboot and see if the new kernel already took place or do I have to do something manually
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• 727[14:24:08] <lt> all went well .. thanks again
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• 735[14:32:05] <shivam_> Is this the debian development channel?
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• 737[14:32:37] <PamiPetteri> shivam_: no. this is the support channel.
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• 739[14:32:50] <shivam_> could you please guide me to the dev channel then?
• 740[14:33:12] <shivam_> I am confused in replaced-url
• 741[14:33:18] <PamiPetteri> shivam_: I tried several.
• 742[14:34:27] <Onyx47> I'd assume it's debian-devel, but that's over on the OFTC network, not Freenode
• 743[14:34:44] <PamiPetteri> shivam_: /connect irc.oftc.net and /join #debian-devel
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• 745[14:37:57] <PamiPetteri> shivam_: /server irc.oftc.net and /join #debian-devel - you are using HexChat and some version of the Linux kernel. I just checked /ctcp yournickhere version
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• 747[14:38:23] <shivam_> I was using hexchat, and that command did not run. Thanks for this :)
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• 767[14:54:59] <shivam_> PamiPetteri, looks like #debain-devel is channel for macosX support
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• 769[14:56:05] <shivam_> Its #debain-outreach, looks like
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• 772[14:56:14] <shivam_> #debian-outreach
• 773[14:57:13] <PamiPetteri> shivam_: I know nothing about that. I am an end-user: I use K5130 ASUS Intel core i3. The answerer may be trolling. The developers might not want to get involved in extra effort supporting the end-users. They are technicians. Maintainers. Coders. Designers. Drivers and packaging, and Debian specific bug fixes.
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• 775[14:58:05] <shivam_> I was just telling, general conversation
• 776[14:58:24] * shivam_ was being friendly :)
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• 789[15:09:55] <lt> offtopic | does gnome/debian has any mouse setting under the hood to increase the cursor travel distance on the screen with less motion on touchpad? similar to the option available on windows boxes.
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• 807[15:21:52] <Ede|Popede> lt: maybe xset with its m (mouse) option
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• 857[16:16:24] <leibniz[m]> I'm using Xubuntu18+i3. Since I'm only using i3+polybar, people are suggesting to switch to something lighter. I'm considering Xubuntu20 or debian or sth else.
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• 859[16:17:53] <leibniz[m]> Can I just use debian stable instead and expect things to generally work? (I do quite a few of dev stacks: C/C++/django/vue/...)
• 860[16:18:43] <leibniz[m]> I don't know how to integrate VScode (snap), Thunar (Xfce desktop), and a few possible ubuntu ameneties
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• 864[16:22:12] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] as debian doesn't have any flavors (or whatever it's called in ubuntu land). you can just install whatever de/wm you want. VSCode is installable as flatpak, snap (which doesn't integrate well) or vscodium.com (free OS variant of code)
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• 866[16:22:41] <quadrathoch2> and as you are using 18.04, buster has newer packages which could be a welcome change
• 867[16:23:29] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] the only real downside is, because debian doesn't have a corporation behind it, support by third party software can be meh, as most target ubuntu with their debs
• 868[16:23:48] <leibniz[m]> quadrathoch2: I figured best approach is to build locally the apps I use the most. Is debian's libs updated enough for a dev machine? some people say debian is a server OS
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• 870[16:24:45] <leibniz[m]> I think I should run a vbox and test it myself
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• 872[16:25:16] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] it really depends on what you compare it to. yes debian packages are a little more stale than others, but if you look at ubuntu lts, opensuse leap or centos/rhel it's not that bad (even better in comparison to centos/rhel)
• 873[16:25:56] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] as you are coming from ubuntu, there shouldn't be any complications to switch
• 874[16:28:21] <leibniz[m]> If I install stable, can I switch to testing or unstable for some packages ?
• 875[16:28:56] <leibniz[m]> And can I just disable the no proprietary restriction?
• 876[16:29:46] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] you can, but it's not supported, and you may keep the pieces, if something breaks. but you can look into backports to see if somebody ported it, or port it yourself
• 877[16:30:01] <quadrathoch2> leibniz[m] yes, the installer will ask you that (afaik)
• 878[16:30:24] <quadrathoch2> idk for sure, as I normally bootstrap my systems or use the expert installer
• 879[16:31:42] <nevivurn> the installer does ask you if you want to enable contrib/non-free
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• 887[16:42:40] * papafeldy_ help
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• 903[16:59:22] <tomreyn> papafeldy_: try asking a concrete question
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• 906[16:59:58] <tomreyn> (no need to be so polite as to just ask for help)
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• 908[17:02:17] <papafeldy_> reply to tomreyn - Tom thanks for your encouragement. At the moment I am still trying to understand the setup process on the freenode service
• 909[17:02:53] <tomreyn> papafeldy_: for questions on irc, type: /join #freenode
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• 911[17:03:54] <tomreyn> and you're welcome :)
• 912[17:04:05] <papafeldy_> I am a Debian user but not an IRC user as such . I find the freenode documentation lacking for noobies like me
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• 917[17:06:14] <tomreyn> It's not perfect, and there were times when it was better. it's all (or almost all) volunteer run, though, and just keeping things up to date can involve a lot fo work.
• 918[17:06:28] <tomreyn> much also depends on the IRC client you choose.
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• 921[17:08:03] <papafeldy_> yes I quite agree with you on the choice of client. However this conversation with you at least gives me some experience in the use of the IRC client. :-)
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• 937[17:23:50] <tomreyn> "Powered by WinIRC", I see.
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• 947[17:41:10] <b1ackandwh1te__> I'm testing cygwin now, I downloaded xfce but I dont know how to start it. startx fails.
• 948[17:41:37] <b1ackandwh1te__> unfortunately apt dont work either
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• 957[17:47:36] <r399> during a debian installtion it has an option for the installer to overwrite with random data during the encryption process
• 958[17:47:41] <r399> but this can be canceled
• 959[17:47:48] <r399> what happends if you cancel it?
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• 961[17:48:06] <r399> it says there may be meta information leaks
• 962[17:48:30] <sney> if you cancel it, then part of your disk has been overwritten with random data, and the other part still has whatever data was there before
• 963[17:48:44] <sney> it's still totally usable, the partitioner can't even tell that this happened
• 964[17:49:04] <sney> if this is a new disk then the step is pointless, also
• 965[17:49:18] <r399> it is a new disk, so thought it might not be necessary
• 966[17:49:37] <r399> why would it matter if it isnt overwritten from the user perspective?
• 967[17:50:16] <r399> the disk would still be encrypted, right? just that when its decrypted the old data is still there?
• 968[17:50:48] <sney> that function is *only* for reusing an existing disk, without any of the previous data being recoverable.
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• 970[17:51:35] <r399> if its encrypted though how would any of the data be recoverable until decrypted?
• 971[17:51:48] <sney> right, encrypted partitions look like random noise anyway
• 972[17:52:29] <r399> so i dont understand fully what this step is for, seems to be redundant
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• 974[17:52:53] <sney> not everyone encrypts every disk. it's a tool that is available for users who need it.
• 975[17:53:16] <r399> oh i see, so if i didnt do full disk encryption then some data would still be available
• 976[17:53:30] <r399> and this would randomize both the encrypted and unecrypted partitions
• 977[17:53:49] <k`> what's the best CLI tool for formatting,repartitioning, and encrypting?
• 978[17:53:57] <r399> sounds like with a full disk encryption then this step isnt needed
• 979[17:54:25] <r399> but for reusing a drive that is partially encyrpted it would be useful for deleting the prior unencrypted data
• 980[17:54:30] <r399> am i on the right track here?
• 981[17:54:31] <sney> sure, or if you had a small disk that was used as / unencrypted, but had some ssl ciphers in it, and you wanted to make sure those weren't recoverable when you reused it. lots of options for lots of scenarios. there isn't just 1 type of debian user.
• 982[17:54:52] <r399> yeah good point
• 983[17:54:53] <sney> only if the prior unencrypted data is sensitive. if it's just /boot with some kernels and grub stuff, who cares
• 984[17:55:22] <quadrathoch2> k` you would want to use multiple tools as encryption has nothing to do with formatting for example
• 985[17:55:27] <r399> its a new disk, so there should be no prior info, and im doing full disk so if there was it shouldnt be accessible
• 986[17:55:39] <k`> thanks for the response!
• 987[17:55:41] <r399> good to know, this step seems like it will take hours
• 988[17:56:34] <quadrathoch2> r399 probably yes
• 989[17:56:39] <quadrathoch2> depends on the size
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• 992[17:57:30] <r399> i calced it out using a sample of like 5% done on a 512 GB drive
• 993[17:57:40] <r399> seems like it will take about 8 hours or so
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• 996[17:58:32] <quadrathoch2> yup, it makes sure to be thoroughly
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• 999[17:59:38] <SAMBAcrzy> hola amigos
• 1000[17:59:40] <sney> the only benefit I could see to that on a new disk is finding out if the hardware is DOA. because if it's writing every sector on the disk, you will know
• 1001[18:01:34] <SAMBAcrzy> anyone free to give a chap some troubleshooting advice for a really weird SAMBA authentication issue?
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• 1003[18:02:44] <short-bike> SAMBAcrzy: I guess just ask away....
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• 1005[18:03:45] <short-bike> or go to #samba (freenode).
• 1006[18:04:24] <sney> "really weird samba authentication issue" sounds like something else is wrong, and you're getting caught by windows using "access denied" as a catchall error for basically anything
• 1007[18:04:51] <SAMBAcrzy> sney ur pretty dang close
• 1008[18:05:30] <SAMBAcrzy> except the issue is the same across other devices OS's too. But its not smbpasswd and its not file permissions
• 1009[18:05:53] <SAMBAcrzy> i can see the shares with smbclient
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• 1011[18:07:50] <SAMBAcrzy> but mounting with cifs gives various errors codes. Have tried adding into smb.conf for SMB2/3 rules but nothing seems to do the trick.
• 1012[18:08:08] <SAMBAcrzy> so the really weird thing is one account on the server DOES work
• 1013[18:08:45] <SAMBAcrzy> its the only user that has shell access for what its worth
• 1014[18:09:10] <SAMBAcrzy> but the other users have accounts and entries for smbpasswd
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• 1041[18:38:52] <trui> leibniz[m] and quadrathoch2 , you can just get vscode from vscode's website. no snap/whatnot needed. it'll add itself to your apt sources and you can update it with apt
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• 1046[18:42:20] <trui> it uses the sources.list.d directory even like a good app
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• 1048[18:44:24] <trui> of course there's the telemetry probably, but if you want vscode instead of vscodium, you can get it
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• 1061[18:57:41] <trui> there's even a Debian specific guide if you want to install .NET. if you want the stuff Microsoft offers to Linuc users on Debian, Microsoft will provide, haha...
• 1062[18:58:11] <trui> you opt out of the .NET telemetry with an environment variable, lol
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• 1064[18:59:10] <trui> s/Linuc/Linux/. typing on a phone with no autocorrect is hard
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• 1077[19:06:34] <leibniz[m]> trui: quadrathoch2 thanks
• 1078[19:10:20] <trui> np. i used to hate Microsoft more, but using Android has desensitized me a bit
• 1079[19:10:35] <sponix> trui: I didn't know codium existed - thanks
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• 1083[19:11:56] <trui> you can thank quadra for that, sponix
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• 1085[19:12:24] <trui> i ruined it by giving people the option of installing the telemetry version :P
• 1086[19:12:30] <sponix> quadrathoch2: thanks for letting everyone know about vs codium
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• 1088[19:13:19] <sponix> trui: I'm debating the install anyway since I don't code much and normally just use vim
• 1089[19:14:08] <shtrb> ,v vscodium
• 1090[19:14:09] <judd> No package named 'vscodium' was found in amd64.
• 1091[19:14:18] <trui> yeah, i just installed it once to try it, but my laptop is old and needs cleaning so vim is better, personal preferences aside
• 1092[19:14:31] <sponix> shtrb: I have "codium" available as a flatpak
• 1093[19:14:59] <shtrb> sponix, I was hopying there would be a better option than flatpak , a native packaged deb
• 1094[19:15:31] <shtrb> s/native/within debian itself/g
• 1095[19:15:55] <sponix> shtrb: replaced-url
• 1096[19:16:12] <sponix> but there it is from an outside repo
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• 1103[19:19:10] <trui> 'get a native .deb with updates through apt! all for the small fee of your s/soul/data/ !'
• 1104[19:20:25] <sponix> trui: I figure all the data I freely give Google is eventually sold to Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and others anyway
• 1105[19:21:04] <trui> even if it's not, Google is worse (than Microsoft).
• 1106[19:21:43] <trui> though Windows 10 is horrible, and i'm not saying that because i like libre software
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• 1108[19:23:33] <trui> certainly one or two microsoft apps on debian is far better than using android
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• 1110[19:24:01] <trui> from a privacy and user freedom perspective
• 1111[19:24:03] <coin21> trui is there an option that respects your privacy?
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• 1113[19:24:18] <trui> not using a phone
• 1114[19:24:31] <coin21> what about pinephone?
• 1115[19:24:55] <wsky> celluar phones are easy to tap on regardless of the manufacturer
• 1116[19:25:03] <Ede|Popede> at least it doesn't have the IME i guess
• 1117[19:25:40] <trui> yeah, i'm sure there's better options than android to be sure
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• 1119[19:26:00] <wsky> like ios
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• 1122[19:28:47] <Ede|Popede> 4 decades ago AMD became part of the game because the gov didn't like the idea of a SPOF on IBM's side. and now we have wintels with nvidia GPU on the desk and Google in our pockets. at least there's the option to switch to Apple. so everything is fine. /s
• 1123[19:29:59] <PamiPetteri> sponix: replaced-url
• 1124[19:30:39] <Ede|Popede> platforms which force me to hack my way around them if i like to install the software (incl. OS) i want just aren't acceptable. even UEFI. it's not for the user, it's for the shareholders.
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• 1130[19:33:02] <shtrb> trui, you can have a good 4G modem (raw) and tap it to your laptop running Debian , might be little bit uncomfterable to pull out a 15" to make a call but we can bring netbooks back like that
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• 1136[19:34:47] <Ede|Popede> can't be much worse than people walking down the street with the 7“ in front of their faces.
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• 1138[19:35:07] <trui> i'll be able to talk once i've fully detoxed from google ;)
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• 1141[19:35:24] <trui> which might take a bit
• 1142[19:35:35] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, netbooks had been even 10" so that is not too far
• 1143[19:35:46] <shtrb> trui, you can make calls without android
• 1144[19:36:06] <trui> i don't use my phone for calls primarily
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• 1146[19:36:34] <Ede|Popede> shtrb: would they be interesting for debian?
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• 1148[19:36:54] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, 10" netbooks had been running native debian (clutches)
• 1149[19:37:16] <shtrb> !eeepc
• 1150[19:37:17] <dpkg> The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see replaced-url
• 1151[19:37:23] <shtrb> Ede|Popede, ^
• 1152[19:37:24] <n4dir> Ede|Popede: ran for the first time in UEFI. What a crap
• 1153[19:37:31] <Ede|Popede> a headset on a 10“ would probably be a saner solution than shouting into a 7“ running at full volume
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• 1155[19:37:42] <Ede|Popede> oh, right. totally forgot about them.
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• 1157[19:38:49] <shtrb> strap a bluetooth headset , fire up the netbook in your backpack and violla you are trendy person just using a bluetooth headset
• 1158[19:39:31] <Ede|Popede> not even bluetooth, if the doctor is using glasses then everyone could have wearables: just connect the headset to your colar ;)
• 1159[19:39:43] <Ede|Popede> err collar
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• 1216[20:42:52] <drunkpunk> Linux console 4.19.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.160-2 (2020-11-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1217[20:43:09] <drunkpunk> this is my actual kernel
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• 1244[21:04:41] <drunkpunk> sorry did anyone answer?
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• 1247[21:06:33] <Kadigan> No.
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• 1252[21:11:09] <Kadigan> drunkpunk: I have no clue how to assist you, and it's considered rude to PM w/o asking
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• 1281[21:31:35] <eestiman> Is there a sane way of making Debian + nftables + docker work?
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• 1284[21:33:12] <eestiman> I have tried a couple of things and found a couple of posts on how docker is heavily tied to iptables. I would just like to know if there is a sane way to make this work or I'm looking at a deep rabbit hole.
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• 1286[21:34:37] <T-zeF> hi guys, if I want to install "close-source & non-free" packages '.deb' operating system... is it safer to install it into a virtual machin manager? or do a close source software can come out of a virtual machin ?
• 1287[21:35:17] <T-zeF> I want to install "close-source & non-free" packages '.deb' ***on my*** operating system...
• 1288[21:35:39] <nkuttler> T-zeF: escaping vms is possible.. though i wonder.. what is your threat scenario?
• 1289[21:35:47] <sney> T-zeF: are you calling it a ".deb operating system" because it's not actually debian?
• 1290[21:35:51] <rudi_s> T-zeF: Well, "on my" won't work with a VM because a VM is a separate machine/operating system.
• 1291[21:36:22] <nkuttler> T-zeF: if it's really a concern just get some dedicated hardware..
• 1292[21:36:48] <T-zeF> sney, no, my operating system is Debian...
• 1293[21:37:12] <sney> eestiman: the iptables tools are still available in debian, so if you're using something that works best with iptables, you may as well just go that route. nftables is just a new interface to the same kernel firewall anyway.
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• 1295[21:38:11] <rudi_s> T-zeF: But normally a VM is good enough to isolate the effect of non-free or untrusted .debs or binaries.
• 1296[21:38:13] <T-zeF> nkuttler, my scenario is to use video conference Zoom.us for online school... they provide close source .deb.....
• 1297[21:38:29] <rudi_s> VM works fine for that.
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• 1299[21:39:46] <T-zeF> well thank you rudi_s !
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• 1301[21:40:18] <rudi_s> np
• 1302[21:40:20] <T-zeF> thank you too nkuttler and sney !
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• 1305[21:43:09] <sney> zoom is also available as snap/flatpak, which is another way to keep it isolated from the rest of your system
• 1306[21:44:43] <rudi_s> But not that well. The isolation in snap/flatpak depends heavily on the program itself.
• 1307[21:44:43] <hramrach> the isolation of nsap/flatpak is dubious at best
• 1308[21:45:04] <rudi_s> *and as hram<tab> said is not very good
• 1309[21:46:02] <sney> sure, just more options. it would be much more straightforward to set up that way, than to virtualize an entire separate OS and passthrough the mic/camera, etc
• 1310[21:46:09] <eestiman> sney: I guess that does make a lot of sense.
• 1311[21:46:10] <hramrach> VM is pretty good for mitigating damage from non-free software. It is posible to escape but it is not likely what the non-free software will be targeting
• 1312[21:46:42] <jhutchins> hramrach: non-free != malware.
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• 1314[21:47:26] <mrkramps> somebody checked the contents of the zoom deb or snap/flat?
• 1315[21:47:30] <hramrach> technically it is not the sae but especially with zoom the security is dubious and teh app is widespread so malware targetting it is not out of question
• 1316[21:48:04] <mrkramps> how closed can an electron app be?
• 1317[21:48:05] <jhutchins> If you want real security, you have to know what you're securing agains, not go shooting off at random imaginary risks. That just consumes resources that could otherwise be protecting you.
• 1318[21:49:03] <hramrach> the thing with a VM is that you can easily shut it down and it provides pretty good isolation so when it is not running you can be quite sure it really is not
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• 1338[22:00:52] <badcoder> hello
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• 1340[22:01:22] <badcoder> as far as the nvidia driver for debian 11, can I simply download it from the nvidia website and try to install?
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• 1343[22:02:15] <sney> badcoder: why, when it's packaged in non-free?
• 1344[22:02:58] <badcoder> sney: as far as I know there are many different drivers for the gfx card. Does the package in there handle that?
• 1345[22:03:19] <badcoder> because if one thing is sure about debian is that the software is pretty fucked up all the time
• 1346[22:03:44] <badcoder> sney: away... can you help me then?
• 1347[22:03:45] <sney> badcoder: there are only 2 nvidia driver packages. there's the one for "current" gpus which is really like the past ~10 years of models, and there's a "legacy" package for even older models.
• 1348[22:03:47] <badcoder> whats the package name?
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• 1350[22:04:32] <badcoder> sney: I find that so odd... when you go to the nvidia website you have to pick among a shitload of different models and you get a different download every time...
• 1351[22:04:37] <sney> if you have a reasonably current nvidia gpu, all you do is: enable non-free, then 'apt install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver', wait for it to build, and reboot
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• 1353[22:04:48] <badcoder> sney: sure
• 1354[22:04:51] <sney> driver websites make things extra complicated for no good reason
• 1355[22:05:05] <badcoder> sney: LOL... lets see about that
• 1356[22:05:21] <jmcnaught> There is nvidia-detect that can tell you which nvidia driver package you need to install.
• 1357[22:05:43] <badcoder> my nvidia board is within 10 years
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• 1359[22:05:49] <badcoder> I am 100% sure
• 1360[22:05:57] <sney> what's the model?
• 1361[22:06:02] <badcoder> Geforce GTX 980M
• 1362[22:06:13] <sney> definitely recent enough.
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• 1364[22:06:21] <sney> but that M makes me nervous, is this an optimus system?
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• 1366[22:07:04] <badcoder> sney: its a laptop....
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• 1368[22:07:38] <sney> badcoder: if you do 'lspci |grep -i vga', how many entries do you see? is one of them intel?
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• 1376[22:27:24] <f8e4> hi, please help to find libxcb-util.so.1
• 1377[22:27:41] * dvs looks under the bed
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• 1380[22:28:12] <f8e4> please help to go from any FOO.so to the apt to install, so confusing please clear?
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• 1382[22:29:54] <jmcnaught> f8e4: use apt-file to search for files in packages. "dpkg -S foo" can also search files of installed packages.
• 1383[22:30:17] <dvs> f8e4: libxcb-util1 in unstable
• 1384[22:30:41] <mrkramps> it's also in testing
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• 1406[22:35:45] <henko> is there a easy way to add a github repo to apt sources? looking at bitwarden-cli for debian. they release the .deb files on github, but I want to get rid of flatpaks and get the deb files directly from github
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• 1408[22:36:33] <phogg> no but you can download the .deb and install with dpkg -i (if you have all deps)
• 1409[22:36:50] <henko> i know - but I want to update automatically with 'apt update'
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• 1411[22:37:23] <henko> someone must have come with an idea to build a repo on localhost und add this local repo to the apt sources
• 1412[22:37:48] <sney> sure, there are options for hosting a local repo
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• 1414[22:38:02] <henko> hmmm
• 1415[22:38:03] <sney> !reprepro
• 1416[22:38:03] <dpkg> reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>.
• 1417[22:38:17] <henko> sney u all knowing god. thank you
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• 1420[22:38:30] <henko> you must have beeing using debian 10+ years
• 1421[22:38:39] <sney> close to 20 at this point
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• 1424[22:39:10] <bigterd> well, just installed debian on a laptop, lenovo thinkpad with an i3 i get maybe 4 seconds into make -j4 ,and it pukes out...fan starts to wind up like a F6 tornado, the BLIP, power off.
• 1425[22:39:28] <bigterd> ive tried everything. i'm stumped. new paste, cleaned cooler, running with cover off.
• 1426[22:39:46] <bigterd> next is to set it out side with a plastic bag over it since it's 26F. ideas?
• 1427[22:40:24] <f8e4> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1428[22:40:35] <digdilem> bigterd, power supply/battery a bit suspect?
• 1429[22:40:39] <mrkramps> bigterd, exact model?
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• 1431[22:42:11] <f8e4> what is libxcb-util0 vs libxcb-util1 ?
• 1432[22:42:29] <f8e4> and how to install from unstable sid or bullseye testing if this is the solution?
• 1433[22:42:50] <bigterd> just says thinkpad i3 370m
• 1434[22:43:05] <bigterd> the copper bar coming from the die to the fan is so F'in hot just sitting in the BIOS...
• 1435[22:43:19] <bigterd> can't hold back of finger on it for more then a split second.
• 1436[22:43:19] <jmcnaught> f8e4: installing packages from bullseye or unstable on a stable system is not a good idea. You could try to backport the package yourself. See /msg dpkg ssb
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• 1438[22:43:42] <digdilem> bigterd, it's normal for that to be super hot
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• 1441[22:44:07] <epsilonKNOT> hello :)
• 1442[22:44:07] <bigterd> well i guess that's hope? i don't have another 20v power supply, and i'm running it without the battery installed.
• 1443[22:44:42] <epsilonKNOT> i was wondering if it was possible to submit a package to debian
• 1444[22:44:44] <bigterd> i'm just stumped it's a nice laptop until you start working the cores heavily.
• 1445[22:44:52] <epsilonKNOT> but not sure if I can
• 1446[22:44:56] <digdilem> bigterd, maybe just run as -j1 to reduce the load, limp it along
• 1447[22:45:09] <bigterd> :/.....the idea was to tear into it with ffmpeg...
• 1448[22:45:17] <digdilem> Meh, laptops.
• 1449[22:45:26] <epsilonKNOT> the process says to become maintainer but I dont have time for long term commitment, so am not sure how that would work
• 1450[22:45:57] <bigterd> stress -c 2 or 4 is almost an instant shutdown as well
• 1451[22:46:19] <bigterd> it's actually kinda worthless. glad it was free. i wouldn't buy one of these fucking things
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• 1453[22:46:42] <digdilem> It has to be one of: Power, bug, heat. In that order. Heat wouldn't go bang so quickly.
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• 1455[22:47:25] <digdilem> or the bios settings are off. could try bios defaults, I guess
• 1456[22:47:39] <bigterd> cann't rule out power unless i do some serious hack and whack with the soldering iron. i did defaults, that was my first go before the screwdriver.
• 1457[22:47:49] <digdilem> k
• 1458[22:48:58] <f8e4> @item(buflist):button1
• 1459[22:49:35] <bigterd> calls for 20v,, could i mod an atx to deliver that with 4amps?/
• 1460[22:49:53] <bigterd> something tells me the rail voltages won't add up to my amp favor
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• 1462[22:50:11] <bigterd> and probably be just as unstable
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• 1468[22:53:19] <jhutchins> epsilonKNOT: You'd have to find somebody interested in maintaining it.
• 1469[22:53:41] <epsilonKNOT> i see, that sounds unlikely :)
• 1470[22:53:59] <epsilonKNOT> well, not much i can do then :) thanks for the info
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• 1472[22:54:50] <jhutchins> bigterd: A lot of systems will not run cool until the OS and fan management software kick in.
• 1473[22:55:25] <jhutchins> You ought to hear a 1U Dell with the cover off before the software kicks in.
• 1474[22:55:28] <bigterd> jhutchins: i have more issues while the OS and fan management are kicked in, sadly
• 1475[22:55:48] <jhutchins> bigterd: How are you determining the temperatures?
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• 1478[22:56:31] <bigterd> i suppose that's unfair until i try another power supply.
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• 1480[22:56:53] <bigterd> i'm honestly assuming it's overhead because of the immediate shutdown after a few moments of make started
• 1481[22:57:06] <f8e4> which version to install now?: -dev _0 -dvgsym_0 -dev_0
• 1482[22:57:17] <f8e4> eg libxcb-util0-dev_0.4.0-1_amd64.deb
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• 1484[22:57:53] <f8e4> i asked to build libxcb-util1 and got many more .deb now built
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• 1486[22:59:51] <jhutchins> bigterd: It's unlikely to be a power supply issue causing an overheat.
• 1487[23:00:31] <bigterd> damn dude.
• 1488[23:00:32] <bigterd> no
• 1489[23:01:04] <bigterd> i assumed the shutdodwn was from over heat, but it's possible the shutdown is from a bad powersupply. nothing in my assumuptions is pointing towards the power supply overheating the CPU.
• 1490[23:01:33] <f8e4> ty no idea but runs
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• 1496[23:04:54] <bigterd> this instability b0rks my plans to be honest.
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• 1500[23:05:45] <f8e4> bigterd be smarter: run benchmark, if no shutdown then not overheat problem, simple
• 1501[23:06:09] <bigterd> f8e4: i did run a benchmark. i ran stress.
• 1502[23:06:15] <bigterd> suggestions of others?
• 1503[23:06:16] <f8e4> THEN?
• 1504[23:06:20] <bigterd> it shuts down
• 1505[23:06:21] <bigterd> haha
• 1506[23:06:41] <f8e4> sensor temp?
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• 1508[23:07:11] <bigterd> lets see how accurate mbmon is...
• 1509[23:07:53] <bigterd> no monitor hardware found.
• 1510[23:08:24] <f8e4> match it to the regular temps, if it shutdown due overheat, then clean your hw, renew paste if cpu, clean fan and so on. if persist rekt
• 1511[23:09:29] <bigterd> i did clean hw. and new paste. and clean fan.
• 1512[23:10:06] <bigterd> but, sadly, mbmon does not report any cpu temps or fan speeds.
• 1513[23:10:17] <bigterd> so thats still a stab in the dark.
• 1514[23:10:46] <f8e4> faulty sensor possible, powersupply unlikely, if notebok buy one for 15bucks no deal;
• 1515[23:11:28] <f8e4> id buy same notebook and port parts over and make the best of both
• 1516[23:12:27] <bigterd> yeah, no. i got this piece of shit for free. i'm not spending money to fix free junk.
• 1517[23:13:35] <bigterd> it's sitting outside in a plastic bag, seems to be holding up with make -j4
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• 1519[23:17:56] * f8e4 lold
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• 1521[23:19:52] <henko> use it as a seat warmer
• 1522[23:20:28] <henko> or cup warmer
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• 1526[23:22:36] <bigterd> almost there.
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• 1529[23:24:05] <jhutchins> bigterd: You might want to look into lmsensors. Dealing with hardware through a GUI is usually an entire pain.
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• 1532[23:25:42] <bigterd> not using a gui. and sensors is showing the cores bumping into 85C easily
• 1533[23:25:55] <bigterd> doing a watch -n 1 through screen right now
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• 1535[23:26:36] <bigterd> maybe it is an unstable power supply.
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• 1539[23:29:02] <bigterd> haha, and oddly as the fan spins up the RPM is reported lower.
• 1540[23:29:11] <bigterd> maybe the temp is acutally going down isntead of up?
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• 1550[23:41:14] <CrystalMath> ,versions mtasc
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• 1552[23:41:14] <judd> Package: mtasc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.14-3; stretch: 1.14-3+b3
• 1553[23:41:22] <CrystalMath> why not in buster........
• 1554[23:41:25] <CrystalMath> ,versions gnash
• 1555[23:41:26] <judd> Package: gnash on amd64 -- stretch: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.3
• 1556[23:41:32] <CrystalMath> same question
• 1557[23:42:29] <sney> ,bug rm mtasc
• 1558[23:42:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1559[23:43:23] <CrystalMath> ridiculous!
• 1560[23:43:30] <CrystalMath> so what if it's obsolete
• 1561[23:43:47] <CrystalMath> some of us still want to use it, or even want to start using it (like me)
• 1562[23:44:01] <CrystalMath> that's literally removing a package because you don't like it
• 1563[23:44:23] <sney> if you look at message 27 in that thread, rather than just reading the title, there is some more explanation
• 1564[23:44:34] <sney> largely that it was unmaintained upstream for many years
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• 1566[23:45:06] <CrystalMath> well i will compile it then
• 1567[23:45:10] <CrystalMath> but gnash is still maintained
• 1568[23:45:16] <CrystalMath> ,bug rm gnash
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• 1570[23:45:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1573[23:45:35] <CrystalMath> it's not unmaintained... commits are still arriving
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• 1575[23:45:50] <sney> 2020 is a weird time to *start* getting into flash, since Adobe have said that they won't be releasing the source, and everyone else is dropping support
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• 1577[23:46:11] <CrystalMath> well i started getting into DOS in 2015
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• 1579[23:46:29] <sney> it was probably unmaintained as of mid-2018, if gnash has had new activity since then, the bug was already closed by then
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• 1581[23:47:12] <sney> if you want the real flash experience with deprecated software, why not isolate a winxp guest somewhere and run the original macromedia tools :P
• 1582[23:47:22] <CrystalMath> well it's proprietary
• 1583[23:48:32] <CrystalMath> hmm, well, regarding gnash, i do see that it has not been worked on in 2020
• 1584[23:48:35] <CrystalMath> the last commit is in 2019
• 1585[23:48:54] <CrystalMath> that's kind of sad, but since i'm only interested in early flash for now, i don't think i need new features
• 1586[23:49:06] <CrystalMath> i will just file bug reports with patches to fix the bugs
• 1587[23:49:23] <CrystalMath> basically flash 5 is the highest version i'd be interested in
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• 1589[23:55:37] <jhutchins> sney: Yeah, I hit a flash site yesterday and chrome blocked it.
• 1590[23:57:19] <CrystalMath> anyway, gnash is compiling
• 1591[23:57:41] <CrystalMath> before i tried to compile an older version of gnash by rewinding git, but it's from the 2000s so it failed somewhere
• 1592[23:57:47] <CrystalMath> and it was too messed up to fix
• 1593[23:57:52] <CrystalMath> but the latest version compiles great
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• 1598[23:59:34] <alexrelis[m]> Why don't apt use something like bittorrent to host packages? I sounds like it would be an efficient way to distribute packages. The biggest setback would be the fact that p2p file sharing is blocked on certain networks but mirrors could always fallback to http if it becomes a problem.
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