27[00:17:18] <ectospasm> Sarcutus: did you verify the signature and/or sum of the ISO you put on your USB key?
28[00:17:52] <Sarcutus> Ah. I did not. That's an aspect of Linux I've not got used to yet. How shall I do this?
29[00:19:00] <ectospasm> The sums and signatures should be available from where you downloaded the ISO. If it's not a debian.org domain, watch out for fakes.
104[02:18:33] <wr> once in while my screen gets all white and pc needs the reboot, have a ps2 keyboard connected, what on Debian logs should i check to see cause freeze?
110[02:23:53] <wr> wsky, by the way, i still have that persistent issue of the volume xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin on menu configuration in built-in audio entrance, changing from Analog stereo duplex to off or others, and my audio sometimes or gets muted or goes On/OFF, my guess is that this electronics is starting to go nuts, still all /var/log/kern.log? or anything else on hardware?
154[02:37:00] <wsky> and they way they work is you need to input strong signal to them
155[02:37:09] <wsky> otherwise they will switch to powersaving mode
156[02:37:49] <wr> wsky, usually they work and i never had any problem i used them at least 7 years no problem and with Debian
157[02:38:25] <wsky> i don't think it has to be software-specific but i'm unsure about that
158[02:38:44] <wsky> i thought my z533s were broken when i bought them
159[02:38:58] <wsky> but it appears it's how they programmed the little chippy they come with like that
160[02:39:26] <wsky> so i need to input strong signal to them otherwise they go powersaving
161[02:39:52] <wr> wsky, when i connect the cable i get an audio icon blink, one of my guesses is that the green audio input may be faulty, but can that make my debian xfce xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin switch on menu?
163[02:41:21] <wr> wsky, if you want to be specific i could record on video the screen when it does that, but at the moment this is normal, just when sometimes have something open like chrome that uses audio that happens or other, on Debian i wanna check logs, i will look on logs you mentioned
164[02:42:31] <wr> wsky, i didn't had any reboots, but i plugged also a ps2 old keyboard i have here a Mitsumi replaced-url
189[02:53:24] <HelloShitty> Hello. I'm trying to figure out a way of creating my own small secure vault/container/volume to save some sensitive data. I want some opinions about if this is a relatively secure way of storing sensitive information or if I'm not even close. So, my first approach was to create a sparse file. Then I created a gpg key to encrypt this volume using LUKS. After this step, I mount this volume and save
190[02:53:30] <HelloShitty> inside it what I want to keep safe. Then I just unmount it, close the volume with luksClose and as a last step I encrypt the volume file itself with GnuPG.
199[02:55:20] <sney> HelloShitty: it sounds like it would work, on the surface. but it's not clear how this is better than e.g. using gpg to encrypt a tar archive
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202[02:56:26] <HelloShitty> sney: I liked this way because I can have a folder structure better organized and of easier access and all contianed inside that volume
203[02:57:19] <tomreyn> then you can drop the gpg part
204[02:57:52] <HelloShitty> Also, I think in case I need to edit files, create, delete, etc, it will all be done inside the container, and presumably, less chances of leaving traces of what I did in my files outside of the container
205[02:58:28] <wsky> HelloShitty: what you want to do is use luks
213[02:59:46] <tomreyn> no need to encrypt the same thing twice
214[02:59:46] <wsky> you can use any file as a key
215[02:59:55] <wsky> like a picture for instance
216[03:00:49] <HelloShitty> tomreyn: encrypting twice is probably not needed and it's just a matter of paranoia, but neverthless, it adds an extra layer of security
217[03:01:13] <tomreyn> it adds an extra layer, but it doesn't increase security
218[03:01:25] <tomreyn> it rather lowers it, because it complicates it
219[03:02:04] <HelloShitty> wsky: yes, that's the point. I create a key but never store, print or use any non-volatile media for the key output, so that's also good because no traces of the keys used are left behind, I guess
221[03:03:05] <HelloShitty> tomreyn: imagine that for some reason, one layer of encryption is broken... Then you still have another layer to break. That might eventually makes anyone to just give up
222[03:03:11] <HelloShitty> but I understand
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224[03:03:46] <HelloShitty> For instance, there are some devices, like USB pen drives that offers harware security to save esnsitive data
225[03:04:18] <HelloShitty> What else or what better security these type of devices can offer that something like what I'm trying to do, doesn't offer?
226[03:05:00] <tomreyn> key material doesn't ever leave hardware device
239[03:11:08] <HelloShitty> I'm using aes256 sha512 for the keys and aes-xts-plain64 for the volume encryption
240[03:12:09] <HelloShitty> I have not much knowledge on cryptography so I have no idea if compaanies just use the most common ciphers, algos and digests or if they use proprietary stuff
241[03:12:11] <tomreyn> anything can be good in one scenario and bad in another, first define what risks you're trying to secure against, then consider your options. if it's about physical security you're likely toast either way.
242[03:12:25] <HelloShitty> yeah
243[03:12:39] <HelloShitty> last resort is a gun in your pocket
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313[04:35:38] <Souler> What happened to all Cinnamons? My two computers did not want to get up in the desktop environment. I tried reinstalling Cinnamon, Xorg and nothing worked. I had to reinstall my entire system.
314[04:36:30] <sney> what does "did not want to get up in the desktop environment" look like on your screen?
361[05:46:05] <sgo11> Can I trust USB keyboard or is that possible to determine if it's harmful? Long story: my laptop has a bad keyboard design on Home/End/PageUpDown keys. I planed to buy a 4 keys programmable keyboard online. The keyboard has a built-in framework and some kinda memory to remember the setup. I can use software to set what key or any number of combination keys to one key/button. From the software UI, it seems I
362[05:46:11] <sgo11> can even run some script by pressing the button. I am wondering if this USB keyboard can be harmful or run some backdoor/trojan and should I buy it? Thanks.
363[05:46:31] <rk4> yes, usb keyboards can be malicious
365[05:48:00] <rk4> it's up to you, lots of your hardware has hidden code that might be doing arbitrary things wrt your computer
366[05:48:20] <sgo11> rk4: thanks a lot for the quick reply. Any advices? I am really sick of my laptop's Home/End/PageUp/PageDown keys. I have to press FN key and those keys are too small. What about a numpad bluetooth keyboard?
367[05:48:58] <rk4> bluetooth is potentially worse as it's wireless, bluetooth stacks get compromised from time to time
368[05:49:51] <epsilon> just replacing with original keyboard from vendor is not an option?
369[05:50:10] <rk4> it seems the malicious usb keyboard is a rare enough event that we don't have much to worry about, i think the safer avenues are either the user non-programmable ones, or something like an ergodox where you control the firmware
370[05:50:17] <sgo11> rk4: What do you mean by getting compromised? I don't care if other people can sniff what I typed. Because they are just Home/End/PageUpDown keys.
371[05:51:09] <epsilon> then go buy it, it's not more dangerous as any other USB device
372[05:52:23] <sgo11> epsilon: sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean by replacing with original keyboard. I mean the original laptop keyboard has a bad design of Home/End/PageUp/PageDown keys.
375[05:54:34] <sgo11> epsilon: no, it's not broken. I use Home/End/PageUp/PageDown a lot when programming. It has a bad design. THere is no separate keys. I have to use FN + some small keys to generate those keys. Thus I would like to use an external 4 keys keyboard.
377[05:57:08] <sgo11> rk4: the problem is how I know the USB keyboard is non-programmable ones? Maybe there are some malicious firmware inside. And I am googling ergodox keyboard, how do I control the firmware? Thanks.
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440[07:04:26] <unixbsd> the cups printer needs a lpd wrapper for printers with lpd. ipp is fine, but lpd is easier to get the ppd to work well. So then, a wrapper is necessary. I hope it helps.
516[08:36:18] <cuco> rk4, problem - my job uses rbpi for ci. In those setups we use a package that does not compile in Ubuntu ... so, I need to workaround.
541[08:41:22] <rk4> i think its as official as you're going to get, and official enough
542[08:41:37] <rk4> debian's used as a base image for a huge pile of other docker stuffs
543[08:41:50] <cuco> regarding the python issue - yes, but It does not work here - so I want to use a similar environment to see why it does not work here. (unless you want me to help debug it here)
569[09:09:35] <foul_owl> How do I install openjdk 8 on debian 10? It looks like the packages aren't there. Is there a backport?
570[09:12:17] <another> ,v jdk
571[09:12:18] <judd> No package named 'jdk' was found in amd64.
572[09:13:31] <foul_owl> Currently have java 11 installed, but for who knows what reason there is no backwards compatibility, so I need specficially java 8 :(
573[09:14:33] <Souler> I not shure witch version installing this command sudo apt-get install default-jre
580[09:28:44] <foul_owl> Ugh I hate java for this reason
581[09:29:36] <foul_owl> I long for the days of downloading a tarball and building with autotools
582[09:30:33] <epsilon> no one likes java, I had the same problem with an old hardware accepting only Internet Explorer and an ancient JRE
583[09:31:21] <foul_owl> jeez
584[09:34:22] <n4dir> foul_owl: i am not in that java thing, but if you go to packages.debian.org and search for openjdk, all suites, which includes old-stable, you seem to always run in version 11?
585[09:34:22] <rapids> Please, Internet Explorer (especially pre version 6) was so good. It managed to make the whole webdev world shine with ideas to make things work between versions. Compatibility was so much fun back in the days. Microsoft was so creative with their code and ideas. Kudos to them...
586[09:34:51] <bolt> put the darn thing in a container and call it a day. correct version everywhere.
639[10:04:47] <wsky> and then add the user to that group
640[10:04:50] <n4dir> Elodin: there changed something with su. If you do su only, you don't get roots path, so you either have to su - ; or to edit a file
641[10:05:05] <n4dir> but if you want to set up sudo anyway, i guess su - ; is sufficient
661[10:16:42] <Happyloving> hi all, trying to setup debian 10, got it installed and graphics are horribly slow, even trying to drag the cursor across the screen is painful. Typing in terminal i get huge delays, and duplicate key strokes placed oddly. Box ran server 2012 R2 just fine earlier this week. I think it's a driver issue, I followed this guide replaced-url
662[10:16:42] <Happyloving> fix it, the other fixes look meh. Anyone have any suggestions?
677[10:34:48] <sgo11> hi, I think I have a broken hard drive (1TB hdd). Where is the proper place to ask questions about how to fix it and recover data? Thanks a lot.
687[10:41:38] <pasiz> i think this is your best shot if you have no experience fixing hard drive faults and have no access to pc3000 or similar repair station equipment
688[10:43:20] <sgo11> pasiz: thanks a lot for your reply. There are some logs and sdout if you have time to have a look: replaced-url
689[10:45:55] <sgo11> I am not sure if it's spinning up or not. When the system boots, I can hear some bad clicking sound for a few seconds and then nothing.
690[10:47:05] <pasiz> seems your spindle is stuck or drive cannot read firmware
692[10:49:24] <sgo11> I use the hard drive for storage in the old days. I use esata connection and connected to a ARM board. I stop using it for many years. (the ARM and hdd are off). Now, when I want to use the data, I can not mount the hdd. Becasue the ARM board is kinda dead too. I connect the hdd to internal sata connection. (I assume esata and sata are exchangable, but I am not sure).
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694[10:50:25] <sgo11> pasiz: thanks for checking my logs. What should I do now? Will testdisk help?
695[10:51:20] <sgo11> I haven't used the disk for at least 5 years. If I remember correctly, it's just one ext4 partition.
710[11:05:10] <sgo11> I never use reddit. can I ask this question in reddit directly?
711[11:05:36] <velix> In the hardware section, maybe. But I bet, some will suggest you to exchange the PCB and such... Don't do it.
712[11:06:27] <sgo11> ok. If I don't exhange PCB, what should I do? I realy want my data back...
713[11:06:42] <velix> There are recovery services. HDD can be recovered damn easy.
714[11:06:46] <velix> About $700-$4000
715[11:06:56] <velix> but if it's clicking only, it might be around $1000
716[11:07:09] <velix> oops, $40000, not $4000
717[11:07:16] <GNU\colossus> sgo11, is the data on the drive important, or merely nice to have?
718[11:07:52] <velix> sgo11: In Office, we've got an insurance on such stuff. Last recovery was $1000
719[11:09:45] <sgo11> GNU\colossus: well, it's kinda important. all my family photos in it without a backup. It worked before and off for 5 years. I haven't touched it at all. I never know a harddrive can be broken when it's off.
720[11:10:48] <sgo11> Btw, are esata and sata the same? I was using esata enclosure. Now, I am using internal sata connection. I think the esata enclosure and ARM server are broken.
721[11:11:19] <velix> uuh wait.
722[11:11:24] <GNU\colossus> sgo11, you should contact a professional data recovery service
723[11:11:25] <velix> Some models don't work internal.
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725[11:11:40] <velix> Since I don't know your model, I cannot help.
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727[11:11:42] <velix> But google it up.
728[11:12:09] <velix> Some manufactors have special firmware or adapters or voltages in OEM devices.
729[11:12:14] <velix> There was a report some years ago
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735[11:15:33] <dob1> there is an encoding issue on new debian site
736[11:17:00] <BCMM> what's the encoding issue?
737[11:19:07] <BCMM> looks like the non-Latin text on the main page is in escape sequences rather than directly encoded (even though the page is nominally utf-8)
740[11:20:43] <ratrace> what's a new debian sit...... oooooooooh! look at that!
741[11:21:26] <BCMM> it has a giant Download button
742[11:21:45] <BCMM> which seems to have been the biggest complaint of the last forever
743[11:22:12] <ratrace> now nobody can complain that they can't find it
744[11:22:42] <ratrace> no, wait.... what am I thinking. This is The Internet. Of _course_ people will complain. now they'll complain it's too big. Too "ooh aah, web 3.0 nonsense blah blah" luddite diarrhea.
771[11:41:30] <pasiz> sgo11: based on logs, spindle may just been stuck. Soft tapping on horizontal with palm to the corner can unstuck it. Worth trying. So keep harddrive in other hand, power it on and give tap when it tries to spin.
779[11:48:36] <sgo11> pasiz: thank you very much for the info. Because I am not a native English speaker, I don't fully understand your words. I understand that I need to create some force to make it spin. But not 100% sure how to do it.
828[12:56:33] <cluelessperson> ratrace, python3.4+ venv and pip are modules built-in to python. I don't know why they would be purposely excluded to be made into separate packages.
829[12:56:57] <cluelessperson> so python3 installs python3.6, and python3-pip is pip and python3-venv is venv for python3.6
830[12:56:58] <ratrace> venv is packaged, but yeah, no pip as module
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882[13:33:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
889[13:38:43] <ratrace> genericum: are you asking for debian or gentoo? lying about your distro will cause people to give you wrong solutions and wastes everyone's time ....
894[13:45:02] <GNU\colossus> quadrathoch2, if you firmware cannot boot from that device, you will have to find another device that it can boot from, and go from there.
895[13:45:39] <quadrathoch2> GNU\colossus not my issue, tell genericum
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918[14:02:54] <noisemaker> After installing debian 10.7, why commands like "dpkg-reconfigure" "iptables" ... when executed says "command not found" but with the "whereis" they do exist?
922[14:04:11] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
965[14:37:31] <sgo11> pasiz: thank you very much for letting me know the method. I found the cause now, but I don't think it's fixable. The platter has terrible scratches. The spindle will always be stucked at the same position. I opened the hdd twice to confirm that. This is the picture: replaced-url
1048[15:37:35] <freem> I assume that debian's package should work out of the box, so there must be something which lacks, somewhere, or something conflicting... or both?
1049[15:38:04] <mrkramps> i assume nobody here knows the package you're talking about
1050[15:38:51] <mrkramps> and i also assume i just did not see the package name in your first post … :S
1051[15:39:45] <mrkramps> freem, stable or testing?
1182[17:47:41] <mariaban> I tryed with: "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd -display :0" but doesen't work on boot. What have I to write in the Exec= field?
1184[17:48:44] <greycat> Wait, first you mentioned .config/autostart which I would assume happens at LOGIN. But now you're saying BOOT. Which one is it? Also, is this a VNC session that "scrapes" your X session, or is it a regular VNC session that has no connection to your X session at all?
1187[17:51:22] <n4dir> i always had the impression greycat is only in IRC during workdays. A Xmas miracle !
1188[17:51:49] <ratrace> maybe it's not yet xmass where they work
1189[17:51:54] <ratrace> I'm at work r/n
1190[17:52:09] <greycat> same here, for some definition of "at"
1191[17:52:13] <mariaban> sorry I'm not expert as you understood, I created this file in the .config/autostart folder of my user. When I reboot x0vncserver doesen't start automatically but I have to start form terminal with "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd -display :0" command. I need only a scraping server to mirror my odroid with armbian system
1192[17:52:19] <n4dir> sorry to hear it. yeah, thought so, but that joke needed to be made
1194[17:53:00] <greycat> mariaban: OK, so it's a scraper. That means there must BE an X session to scrape at the time you run it. That means you CAN'T run it at boot, because there isn't an X session to scrape yet. You need to run it on login, not at boot.
1196[17:53:55] <greycat> Or more preceisely, you need to run it during or after your X session initialization, in case that happens separately from your login.
1197[17:54:08] <greycat> I'd throw the command in ~/.xsessionrc and see how that goes.
1198[17:54:15] <mariaban> so .config/autostart is not correct?
1204[17:57:13] <greycat> (There might also be a way to do it with your "autostart" directory, but I am not familiar with that stuff, at all. And in any case, it can't be done before you start your X session.)
1211[18:00:27] <mariaban> ok, now I'm in the etc/X11 folder, have I to change some file there?
1212[18:00:33] <greycat> dear gods NO
1213[18:00:51] <greycat> why are you making this so complicated
1214[18:01:18] <mariaban> sorry no expert at all
1215[18:01:52] <greycat> just put x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd in ~/.xsessionrc and then log out and back in and see if it works. You shouldn't even need that -display :0 crap as it should inherit the DISPLAY variable normally at that point.
1216[18:02:17] <greycat> or, if that command "hangs" (doesn't fork the VNC servers into the background automatically), but & after it, of course.
1225[18:05:15] <greycat> I gave you the wiki page as explanation. CREATE it. Not every possible configuration file has been created in advance for you.
1227[18:08:21] <archaeopter> How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3?The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'replaced-url
1232[18:17:15] <greycat> the two channels who would have knowledge of a sid daily-build installer are both on the other network
1233[18:19:25] <sney> !testing installer
1234[18:19:25] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
1235[18:20:04] <sney> more information in the replaced-url
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1238[18:21:02] <sney> and if your response to the <testing installer> factoid is "but I don't want testing, I want sid," you are probably too confused about what testing/sid are to know what you're doing anyway
1239[18:21:14] <alexrelis[m]> archaeopter: I tried that. When I run the installer it says "No kernel modules found".
1241[18:22:48] <archaeopter> Then i have as much clue as you do, i'd sugget 1. not using sid if you are as knowledgable as me lol 2. just changing the repos from stable if u really want to
1249[18:24:30] <archaeopter> Testing buils also fail?
1250[18:24:34] <sney> realtek is like that sometimes. if you can't use the netinst, use CD1 instead. then get your network set up in the OS and proceed as usual
1252[18:24:58] <archaeopter> and ye realtek can be a bane on almost any distro
1253[18:25:08] <alexrelis[m]> archaeopter: its a new computer. I need an installer with a newer kernel and firmware in the very least. Even Fedora 33 was giving me trouble. I don't truly know what I'm doing, but I'm informed enough to make btrfs snapshots before upgrading.
1254[18:25:33] <alexrelis[m]> Need to try testing builds.
1255[18:25:35] <archaeopter> ye, its not the distros, its realtek lol
1256[18:25:54] <archaeopter> sometimes getting the right hardware support for them is tricky
1257[18:26:58] <archaeopter> I'd just suggest Linux Mint if you're new to linux and have trouble with realtek, it really does 99% of the work for you
1258[18:27:00] <alexrelis[m]> And trackpad doesn't work either.
1259[18:27:26] <alexrelis[m]> And sorry for slow typing. Since I don't have access to my computer, I have to use my phone.
1260[18:27:38] <archaeopter> Sounds like a tp420 of mine haha
1281[18:33:44] <alexrelis[m]> Is it possible to create btrfs subvolumes in the Debian 10 installer?
1282[18:33:49] <archaeopter> Btw it kinda got buried
1283[18:33:50] <archaeopter> How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3?The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'replaced-url
1295[18:37:07] <mariaban> I tryed to add "x0vncserver -passwordfile ~/.vnc/passwd" to ~/.xsessionrc but black screen at login
1296[18:37:12] <sney> !armbian
1297[18:37:13] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian on chat.freenode.net
1298[18:37:39] <trui> that's weird that fedora doesn't work. hmm
1299[18:38:06] <mariaban> I already asked them, they told me to ask here :(
1301[18:38:37] <sney> mariaban: then wait and ask again when there are different people here. if you repeatedly ask the same question to the same people I don't know what you're expecting
1304[18:40:20] <greycat> mariaban: if that x0vncserver command "hangs" (does not automatically fork a child and then exit), put & after it. As I said before.
1308[18:42:42] <trui> i'm guessing you set up the network? alexrelis[m]. fedora worked for me--it had the firmware, but it just hadn't autoconfigured my network. i was on older hardware though
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1310[18:42:58] <mariaban> greycat: sorry didn't understood finel part of your message "... , but & after it, of course.s/but/put/ "
1353[19:11:58] <trui> i love how casually destructive mv is. i have backups but still, haha.
1354[19:12:50] <dvs> I like to mv it, mv it!
1355[19:13:00] <alexrelis[m]> How do I connect to a network on CLI with USB tethering?
1356[19:13:05] <alexrelis[m]> On Debian Testing.
1357[19:13:18] <dvs> !debian-next
1358[19:13:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1367[19:15:07] <trui> that's what i mean. make a new name which aliases to auto passed versions.
1368[19:15:29] <trui> erm, wrong wording but anyways.
1369[19:15:59] <trui> i'm not sure how you'd override them without screwing up scripts, so now you've got me curious though.
1370[19:16:59] <greycat> your aliases and functions that you define in .bashrc are NOT used by scripts
1371[19:17:09] <trui> are there commands like this already? or i guess the non-technical user is assumed to not be ssh'd into their system and organizing their files with the terminal.
1372[19:17:36] <greycat> I always assume everyone is using a shell as the gods of unix intended.
1373[19:18:05] <trui> well, if everyone is using a shell, then yeah, maybe there should be other, safer commands.
1374[19:18:25] <greycat> You just need to be less scatterbrained.
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1376[19:18:38] <trui> since when not using scripts you almost always want mv -n or rm -I.
1418[19:33:17] <sway> I am using the Mate DE and would like to edit the menu (I've created some desktop launchers and would like to park them appropriately). Google hits reference a menu editor but I cannot find one installed ? Is there such a beast in the repo's ?
1419[19:33:19] <alexrelis[m]> Big issue rn
1420[19:33:39] <alexrelis[m]> I ran man 5 interfaces. And it says /usr/bin/man input/output error.
1421[19:34:07] <alexrelis[m]> Is my SSD dead the second I bought it?
1437[19:41:54] <alexrelis[m]> I'm sorry for bothering you guys. I'm under extreme stress and I hate typing on my phone and it's extremely claustrophobic when I have to set up networking on a system without the proper drivers for networking.
1441[19:42:47] <sney> UBCD is still updated as of Aug 2020, so unless that system has some terrifying new uefi standard, it'll boot
1442[19:43:06] <eb0t> most systems should boot from a live usb
1443[19:43:22] <eb0t> no matter how new it is
1444[19:44:09] <eb0t> i personally like system rescue cd
1445[19:44:10] <greycat> some of them, you have to go into the firmware ("BIOS") first
1446[19:44:16] <eb0t> which i think is gentoo
1447[19:44:16] <sney> live images that use an older linux kernel can be hairy with super-new hardware. but ubcd is just a bootloader with some duct tape to run standalone diag tools, it's not complex enough to have that problem
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1502[20:17:49] <sway> trui, I'm new to Debian so chances are I am holding this wrong. I tried apt search mate-menu-editor and got no results. I guess if push develops into shove, I could use the dconf editor.
1513[20:26:12] <trui> i've been having some weird rsync issues which are probably self inflicted, but i'm wondering what i'm messing up that i didn't before. i've tried rsync -av dir backupdrive/dir and rsync -av dir backupdrive/dir, but both create backupdrive/dir/dir for some reason. is it rsync -av dir backupdrive/ or what am i getting wrong?
1529[20:31:34] <trui> yeah, that's already looking better. the story of this mess-up is kind of amusing. i used to just reverse search my history to reuse the command, but then i decided i wanted to limit my bash history for some reason so i had to find the right command again when i forgot. and then i made a memo in a file, which apparently was a wrong memo.
1530[20:31:52] * trui fixes the memo
1531[20:35:11] <trui> i had /dir1 /dir2 in my notes when it should have been dir1/ dir2. oops. well, all is well now.
1549[20:46:45] <trui> people are probably just busy, but this is the problem with Debian being so upgradable. you rarely have to use the installer, haha... alexrelis[m]
1550[20:47:42] <trui> and if you're installing Debian a lot, people often don't bother with it as well
1556[20:54:28] <unixbsd> No Problem that debian is so much polluted by google, facebook, and all things. After default installation of debian for a classic desktop, here how it looks : replaced-url
1557[20:55:27] <trui> that's firefox that's polluted, not Debian, unixbsd
1558[20:55:43] <ratrace> unixbsd: if you want to remove pollution, start wiht /part, then cut your internet cable. most of that tech is "polluted" by google, facebok, ibm, redhat, and other BigCorp
1576[21:01:59] <ratrace> unixbsd: will you guess or google for "linux kernel top contributors"? I must warn you, the list is _scary_ :))
1577[21:02:54] <unixbsd> seriously, ... then, we shall be thankful? good and bad. :(
1578[21:04:11] <ratrace> "we" should stop being a git and lambasting the _LINK_, and nothing more, to top sponsors in Facebook. Nobody took your freedom, it's a _LINK_ ffs.
1594[21:08:23] <ratrace> alexrelis[m]: at any rate, if /sbin/cryptsetup is available, and that's LUKS you're talking about, it should be possible, yes
1595[21:09:05] <alexrelis[m]> You know what? I think I found a better way.
1596[21:09:32] <trui> google at least is paying Mozilla's bills, unixbsd. i don't know about the others though.
1597[21:10:32] <unixbsd> EU is heavily trying to get $ from FB, Google, Apple,,..... this is fashion topic today. Isnt it more fair? they dont pay taxes.
1598[21:10:40] <unixbsd> or a little of it.
1599[21:11:12] <trui> trying to get $ for what? violating the law, or is it something else?
1600[21:11:34] <trui> if the former, then maybe they should stop breaking the law. ;)
1601[21:12:05] <trui> i certainly don't have a small enough violin for them
1602[21:12:07] <unixbsd> do they FB... really violate the law? Except snowden, can it be proven...?
1629[21:35:30] <wisbit> dunno if it's the right place. I set up samba shares on buster, I try to mount them on manjaro through /etc/fstab with cifs, can't write in them. although if go through network --> samba shares --> servername --> shares, no problem at all
1630[21:35:51] * dvs gives Windows to them!
1631[21:36:05] <wisbit> ubuntu... yup, better than windows fosho
1634[21:37:04] <wisbit> my mom had a completely virused malwared slow windows laptop ... every idiot that came by told her to update this, install that, she had 3 antivirus, just stupid non sense
1642[21:41:25] <archaeopter> How would i go about compressing my btrfs system with zstd3? The wiki hints at a command but i dont get the rest of it under ' What's the precedence of all the options affecting compression? 'replaced-url
1643[21:42:14] <greycat> there's a #btrfs channel that might know more than we do
1644[21:44:23] <archaeopter> Why did noone say that when i first was here hours ago lol
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1671[22:26:12] <asterismo> i'm trying to compile a kernel but i'm getting this error, dpkg-buildpackage: fail: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2
1672[22:26:22] <asterismo> what kind of error is this?
1673[22:26:32] <asterismo> compiler? dependency?
1674[22:26:36] <trui> except if you're Mozilla, ratrace
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1701[22:45:21] <squirrel> while installing debian, i'm told that "Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate". i put the requested files onto ntfs-formatted usb stick, but it doesn't see it. are there more detailed instructions somewhere?
1715[22:48:10] <trui> try formatting it as fat32, squirrel
1716[22:48:17] <Brigo_> squirrel, ntfs is not supported during the installing process.
1717[22:48:51] <Brigo_> squirrel, eve better use the non-official image with firmware included: replaced-url
1718[22:49:28] <trui> also, i forget how the folder structure (or lack thereof) needs to be.
1719[22:50:19] <trui> non official image is also a good option. i did use the usb method myself successfully though. i came across the ntfs thing as well, haha.
1720[22:51:19] <trui> the official non-official image, Brigo_ ;)
1721[22:51:38] <Brigo_> trui, exactly that :D
1722[22:51:53] <trui> certainly don't use an unofficial unofficial image.
1725[22:52:42] <squirrel> thanks! i guess this image containing firmware would be the best. i see there are some various de(?)s, gnome/lxde/mate/etc, what'd be the most lightweight? i'm looking at runnings this on a 1gb machine
1727[22:54:49] <trui> i use openbox, haha, but lxde probably, squirrel
1728[22:54:56] <Brigo_> squirrel, i would try openbox, thought is quite simple, maybe lxde/mate will be more complete, but with 1G i think openbox.
1729[22:55:34] <squirrel> i don't think there's an iso with openbox is there?
1730[22:55:42] <trui> lxde will be fine
1731[22:55:56] <unixbsd> I use evilwm ;)
1732[22:55:57] <trui> you can click openbox at the login screen
1733[22:56:39] <trui> so just use lxde, see if that works for you, and you can try logging in with openbox later. you don't even need to install anything additional since lxde uses openbox
1738[22:58:26] <trui> openbox doesn't have a taskbar by default, so if you try it, you might think it's still loading when you see just the debian wallpaper, but that's it, squirrel
1739[22:58:44] <squirrel> aha i see, thanks
1740[22:59:00] <trui> so most people install a panel like tint2 with it. but lxde might be fine on its own.
1741[23:00:02] <tinga> I've got >20 years of experience using Linux and this question is stumping me: what network file system should I use for a home file server if I want it to be encrypted and it should be painless for the client side user? AFAICT sshfs doesn't work for this. And I know of no encrypted network shares not going through ssh.
1742[23:00:51] <trui> you can even use openbox with the lxde panel, which i'm doing right now, haha.
1743[23:01:20] <Brigo_> tinga, i don't know, but encryption and painless don't work well together :)
1744[23:01:37] <tinga> To be clear: I want the connection to be encrypted; server side should allow for sharing of files between multiple clients. With different uid server side, i.e. separated permissions.
1745[23:01:39] <trui> if you do try the openbox login, just right click on the desktop for the menu, squirrel. but i'd definitely try lxde first. it's a more polished experience.
1747[23:02:32] <tinga> Brigo_, there's no need for it to be painful because of the encryption. The only added need is for a signature check. That's trivial compared to all the other issues that sshfs has.
1752[23:05:02] <tinga> The painful bits about sshfs is (1) linux file managers generally don't know about it, (2) the desktops usually don't know how to unmount a fuse based mount, (3) sshfs uses a single TCP connection, if the network connection breaks, it leaves a stale mount IIRC, (4) server side symlinks are appearing with the identical target on the client side which doesn't make sense, (5) server side UIDs appear with the same UID client side which
1753[23:05:02] <tinga> doesn't make sense. There may be more.
1755[23:05:46] <tinga> (re 3: what I mean is, AFAIK it doesn't transparently reconnect once it can, and there's no way to signal to the user what's going on.)
1759[23:06:58] <tinga> If there's no encrypted network fs alternative, what would you suggest I do for tunneled smbfs (presumably, I fear NFS has some of the same issues I listed above)?
1760[23:07:30] <tinga> Again in a way that a Linux user who doesn't know the command line can mount and use the file share.
1763[23:09:54] <Brigo_> tinga, sorry if i made you thinking otherwise, but when i said "i don't know" i meant it.
1764[23:10:07] <tinga> Yeah, I was thinking maybe someone else.
1765[23:10:42] <tinga> Otherwise, just to rubber duck.
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1767[23:12:55] <fuxxy> I'm currently on latest Buster (all packages up to date). I've attempted to remove my backported deluge=2.0.3 install, in order to reinstall deluge=1.3.15. I've removed the deluge* packages, removed references to the backport repo, then 'apt-get update' and installed {deluge-common,deluged,deluge-web} from the buster repo. Now when running deluge, i'm being met with the error message "pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: The 'Deluge' distribution was not
1768[23:12:56] <fuxxy> found and is required by the application".
1769[23:13:41] <fuxxy> Does this make any sense to anyone? Python issue?
1770[23:14:04] <Brigo_> fuxxy, maybe you need to downgrade some library too.
1775[23:18:19] <fuxxy> 2.0.3 from testing requires python3, python3-libtorrent. 1.3.15 from buster requires python, python-libtorrent. I've already removed python3-libtorrent and made sure python-libtorrent was installed. I've also verified that python-2.7 was the default python with update-alternatives
1804[23:37:15] <mrkramps> fuxxy, point is, it looks like you have two versions installed, probably buster package in /usr and your backport in /usr/local