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• 2[00:01:53] <mutante> gothca ljkimz, makes sense. But since I don't know the answer to that i'll wait for others.
• 3[00:06:37] <mrkramps> ljkimz, if i get this right you optionally run libnss-ldap with nscd … and libnss-ldapD with nslcd
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• 5[00:07:25] <ljkimz> mrkramps -- OK, I did see one or two websites that IMPLIED that but none say it clearly and explicitly
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• 7[00:07:55] <mrkramps> those are two different ldap implementations
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• 11[00:10:05] <mrkramps> ljkimz, here's the best advice I can offer: libnss-ldap homepage is down , libnssldapd last release 2019-10-06
• 12[00:11:08] <mrkramps> more info at wiki: replaced-url
• 13[00:12:41] <abrotman> nscd and nslcd are different IIRC. nscd is for DNS, nslcd is for LDAP?
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• 15[00:14:05] <ljkimz> nslcd is definitely for LDAP. However, nscd caches all sorts of nameservice data including users and groups learned from LDAP. I have libnss-ldap+nscd working fine.
• 16[00:14:19] <ljkimz> Just curious if nslcd would give me something different or better
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• 18[00:14:58] <abrotman> ljkimz: I use systems that use both, if that matters
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• 22[00:16:45] <freem> If i'm not wrong, nslcd is _required_ by one of the ldap implementations
• 23[00:17:03] <freem> it's what does the work, actually, instead of letting the nss/pam modules doing it
• 24[00:17:16] <mrkramps> freem, yes by libnss-ldapd
• 25[00:17:43] <mrkramps> it's part of the project replaced-url
• 26[00:18:10] <freem> what I mean is, that pam+ldap implementation requires it. Unlike another one that I've seen in debian's repos
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• 28[00:18:38] <ljkimz> Ok, well that's probably the answer then. libnss-ldap+nscd, libnss-ldapd+nslcd. From what I gather libnss-ldapd is more feature-rich
• 29[00:18:42] <ljkimz> @freem
• 30[00:19:07] <ljkimz> that's not quite correct. I'm running just fine without nslcd
• 31[00:19:32] <ljkimz> pam and nss both get data from ldap just fine
• 32[00:19:49] <freem> ljkimz: do you use libpam-ldap, or libpam-ldapd?
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• 39[00:23:26] <lithiumpt> hello, anyone familiar with debian's cloud images? what's the difference between genericcloud and nocloud? looking for a image to deploy on a esxi host
• 40[00:24:11] <ljkimz> @freem, the non-D version
• 41[00:24:19] <freem> this is your answer then.
• 42[00:24:34] <freem> the non-d version does all the work in a libpam's plugin
• 43[00:24:43] <mrkramps> ljkimz, just from package information, nslcd is only for libnss-ldapd while nscd is more general for LDAP, NIS or NIS+
• 44[00:24:52] <freem> the other one delegates hte work to a daemon. Its a way cleaner paradigm imo
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• 47[00:27:21] <mrkramps> s/general/universal/
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• 54[00:33:35] <ljkimz> I agree. Thanks, folks
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• 56[00:34:43] <mrkramps> you're welcome, good luck
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• 59[00:36:31] <greenbagels> Has anyone else had issues with e1000e not working on Intel B460 motherboards?
• 60[00:36:59] <greenbagels> For some reason neither the Buster nor Bullseye Alpha 3 install media detects my ethernet card
• 61[00:37:12] <mrkramps> greenbagels, nonfree firmware required?
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• 63[00:37:43] <greenbagels> For an intel network card?
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• 65[00:38:09] <greenbagels> It's an i219-V if it helps
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• 68[00:39:21] <greenbagels> I'm trying Xubuntu 20.10 right now to see if it's any different
• 69[00:39:53] <greenbagels> Basically I'm thinking either the motherboard is FUBAR or the chipset is somehow not supported by the mainline kernels that are being shipped
• 70[00:40:30] <greenbagels> I might use a usb network adapter to go from buster minimal -> bullseye -> sid and see if the kernel change helps
• 71[00:40:33] <mutante> greenbagels: try searching like this: "Linux on Intel B460" and unfortunately that looks not so great
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• 73[00:40:49] <mutante> "Ubuntu 18 and 20 do not support motherboards using Intel B460 chips" etc...
• 74[00:40:49] <greenbagels> mutante: yeah I've not found many results
• 75[00:40:51] <mutante> hardware is too new
• 76[00:40:58] <greenbagels> I figured as much
• 77[00:41:14] <mutante> greenbagels: seems to work on duckduckgo
• 78[00:41:35] <greenbagels> Might have to bite the bullet and pick a bleeding edge distro; I'm mostly wondering if the upstream kernel supports it
• 79[00:42:13] <greenbagels> The install works fine except for the network adapter
• 80[00:42:18] <mutante> or pick the hardware after the distro
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• 83[00:42:23] <greenbagels> True...
• 84[00:43:49] <mrkramps> greenbagels, i'd say the e100e firmware currently does not support I219-V
• 85[00:43:58] <mrkramps> see replaced-url
• 86[00:44:00] <greenbagels> mrkramps: e1000e you mean?
• 87[00:44:13] <mrkramps> yes, of course
• 88[00:46:43] <greenbagels> Hmm okay, I will look into this
• 89[00:46:47] <greenbagels> Thanks for the help mrkramps
• 90[00:46:53] <mrkramps> you're welcome
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• 92[00:48:58] <greenbagels> Anything to avoid having to go back to arch... :)
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• 100[00:56:14] <mrkramps> greenbagels, kernel 5.10 should probably work … just a matter of time in testing
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• 130[01:22:32] <greenbagels> mrkramps: I'll wait patiently for the backport release then :) thanks again
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• 206[02:52:27] <Casper26> e
• 207[02:52:38] * killforge watches this replaced-url
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• 237[03:11:55] <monkwitdafunk> hello killforge, risc-V type CPU architecture is what samsung galaxy devices use?
• 238[03:12:22] <monkwitdafunk> i have a samsung galaxy s1
• 239[03:14:06] <sney> monkwitdafunk: android phones are typically (maybe exclusively) ARM cpus. for instance the entire qualcomm snapdragon family is ARM
• 240[03:14:57] <sney> there is new RISC-V stuff that might replace ARM in the future, but it's all speculation at this time
• 241[03:15:13] <monkwitdafunk> im waiting for my samsung galaxy tab s2 and samsung keyboard to not be compatable withmy medical device and anti-malware
• 242[03:15:54] <monkwitdafunk> sorry, i got confused by thinking ARM was a type of risc5
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• 244[03:16:46] <monkwitdafunk> sney: how do you work the irc bot here in debian channel?
• 245[03:17:28] <sney> replaced-url
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• 247[03:20:11] <killforge> yeah seagate has started using a stripped down risc-v core for their memory controllers
• 248[03:20:29] <killforge> nothing wrong with galaxy series
• 249[03:20:32] <killforge> monk
• 250[03:20:35] <monkwitdafunk> sney: ive used ubuntu and knoppix but have never gone far enough to create a run from ram debian live for burning my own self drafted medical records, and pdf/cvs formats from the medical devices i use which have cloud platforms
• 251[03:21:05] <killforge> that is kind of cool
• 252[03:22:03] <killforge> um monk, to answer your question
• 253[03:22:13] <killforge> sorry I was reading up ways
• 254[03:22:16] <monkwitdafunk> yeah, i have to figure out how i will want to run multisession burns running cdw-0.8.1, using verbatim m disc dvdr
• 255[03:22:17] <greenbagels> Quick question: I'm following the guide at replaced-url
• 256[03:22:42] <greenbagels> if i use $ git clone -b master --single-branch replaced-url
• 257[03:22:47] <sney> monkwitdafunk: medical records, and particularly *portable* medical records that can make patient data available in multiple jurisdictions cleanly and securely, is a problem that really needs the free software approach
• 258[03:23:04] <greenbagels> how do i get the respective linux source using apt?
• 259[03:23:27] <greenbagels> or should i just replace master with something like experimental instead just to be slightly more sane
• 260[03:24:07] <monkwitdafunk> i deal with an endocrinolgist using phone fax and email based on the ldiabetes literature recommendations. i also see psychiatry which uses phone and in the future will be telepsychiatry
• 261[03:24:31] <killforge> arm is cisc, the main difference between arm v8 64bit and RV64-G (risc-v with the compressed instruction set) is that arm v8 does conditional executes
• 262[03:25:16] <killforge> the risc-v founders argue that conditional executes in the pipe creates wasted instructions
• 263[03:25:19] <sney> greenbagels: sid is usually the go-to for a standard buildable debian kernel. I'd stick with that unless you need the version in 5.10. and the apt way would simply be 'apt source linux' unless that's changed
• 264[03:25:41] <monkwitdafunk> it is unfortunate that samsung user manuals dont tell you what kind of CPU the model # has eh
• 265[03:26:01] <sney> I use gsmarena when I need to look up my phone's specs
• 266[03:26:20] <killforge> hope I made that make sense without sounding like regurgitating text
• 267[03:26:45] <greenbagels> sney: I unfortunately want to try out 5.10, so maybe i'll just download an experimental tarball
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• 269[03:26:50] <sney> killforge: I think that's always been the argument of risc vs cisc, and it doesn't seem to have much practical impact
• 270[03:27:01] <killforge> um I can tell you if you want, I wonder myself
• 271[03:27:16] <sney> though maybe that's just allocation of research funding
• 272[03:27:42] <killforge> it does with c benchmarking
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• 274[03:27:51] <killforge> about 3.8/3 faster
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• 277[03:28:02] <killforge> than x86
• 278[03:28:05] <killforge> less with arm
• 279[03:28:23] <killforge> forget what extensions they were using to get those numbers
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• 281[03:28:25] <sney> benchmarking is still essentially theoretical differences. practical is when you are using a computer for, um, practical tasks
• 282[03:29:45] <killforge> I'm still trying to digest the tomb of a manual of risc-v so I can I explain what instructions they optimizing in the equiv x86
• 283[03:29:52] <sponix> benchmarks are mainly for marketing purposes
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• 286[03:30:00] <killforge> s/of risc-v/for risc-v/
• 287[03:30:07] <killforge> no bot
• 288[03:30:14] <killforge> you guys need a bot
• 289[03:30:21] <sney> irc doesn't have editing of previous lines
• 290[03:30:37] <sponix> lol
• 291[03:30:38] <sney> we have at least 2 bots in here at a given time, but that's not a function you can expect
• 292[03:30:47] <killforge> obviously I wasn't expect that to happen
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• 294[03:30:52] <killforge> how cooked to do think I am
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• 296[03:31:01] <greenbagels> sney: oh... the packaging repository doesnt have an experimental branch
• 297[03:31:08] <sponix> Good OLD irc
• 298[03:31:10] <greenbagels> nouhhhhh
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• 301[03:31:20] <monkwitdafunk> how much are risc-v systems? are they portable, energy efficient, and have less enviromental waste?
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• 305[03:31:58] <killforge> well you can get linux certified 64bit cores optimised for performance or area on the chip
• 306[03:31:58] <sney> afaik, risc-v systems are not yet mass produced, though I saw an arse technica article where they had one with the approximate footprint of a raspberry pi
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• 308[03:32:27] <monkwitdafunk> if i were to live in a shelter 1/3 the time, and live outside 2/3 the time, id need a computer to connect me to resources, and one i can strap on my body
• 309[03:32:36] <killforge> area optimised more for mobile but honestly if you wanted to, given enough time; find a happy medium
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• 313[03:34:26] <killforge> actually you get get a functioning implementation of the linux 64bit cores that will let you modularly hook up a pcie socket
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• 315[03:34:52] <killforge> looks odd breaking a cpu in boards slotting into each other
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• 317[03:35:03] <killforge> o.o
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• 319[03:35:38] <killforge> this isa scales for everyting
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• 322[03:38:17] <killforge> tbf risc-v is always at least 2 isa's: user and supervisor and then there is machine mode which can be used in either set, I think equates to root
• 323[03:38:50] <killforge> oh monkwitdafunk, replaced-url
• 324[03:39:23] <killforge> doesn't even say what the cpu is
• 325[03:39:27] <killforge> that is odd
• 326[03:40:27] <killforge> found it
• 327[03:40:45] <killforge> The Samsung Galaxy S used the Samsung S5PC110 processor.[23] This processor combined a 45 nm 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 based CPU core with a PowerVR GPU
• 328[03:40:55] <killforge> replaced-url
• 329[03:41:31] <monkwitdafunk> i had the best 4 foot drop tested case for that phone. otter
• 330[03:41:47] <monkwitdafunk> when i first got it, everyone asked me about it
• 331[03:42:27] <monkwitdafunk> i got excited because the security software from norton and mcafee came out, and in less then 3 weeks, i bought it
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• 333[03:43:19] <killforge> I actually trust my phone my more windows everything except gboard
• 334[03:43:20] <monkwitdafunk> its competitor was the google phone, then there was a phone with a huge advertisement in the free paper for a smartphone you can hook up to a tv and keyboard
• 335[03:43:31] <killforge> more than*
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• 337[03:43:45] <monkwitdafunk> what is gboard?
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• 339[03:44:16] <killforge> the app that android defaultly uses for the onscreen keyboard
• 340[03:44:38] <killforge> avoid that by using an actual keyboard
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• 342[03:46:02] <monkwitdafunk> im pretty sure the free software foundation has open source initiative, versions of mircrosoft exchange, and blackberry uem right? the best boss i ever had in my life said he cant go anywhere unless he has it
• 343[03:46:15] <monkwitdafunk> or mention of
• 344[03:47:10] <killforge> never used microsoft exchange
• 345[03:47:13] <killforge> I think
• 346[03:47:45] <monkwitdafunk> his name was: S.B. <--- he said he loved the qwerty and push notifications
• 347[03:48:13] <monkwitdafunk> i have qwerty but its heavy. my next boss that worked at my old office wanted to buy my tablet
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• 349[03:48:41] <monkwitdafunk> the qwerty function is so important for the temporary employment contractor i used to work for
• 350[03:48:47] <monkwitdafunk> and push notifications
• 351[03:49:41] <killforge> yeah these days, not a huge deal breaker having the most minimal of button setups
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• 354[03:51:07] <monkwitdafunk> so you use gboard?
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• 360[03:56:58] <monkwitdafunk> dpkg is so nice @ looking over my shoulder.
• 361[03:56:58] <dpkg> monkwitdafunk: are you using Windows?
• 362[03:57:07] <monkwitdafunk> no
• 363[03:57:33] <monkwitdafunk> i will check out the debian live project and debian arm
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• 445[06:42:20] <Souler> Welcome everyone. I have a question. Does anyone else crash Cinnamon after the recent updates?
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• 659[11:12:41] <otisolsen70> I have a Logitech Performance MX mouse. This works fine with the three normal buttons and scroll wheel. However, I would like to configure the remaining buttons as well. Is there a tool for debian that will allow me to configure my logitech mouse? (lomoco does not seem to work for this mouse)
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• 661[11:15:06] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 the first thing that came up is solaar
• 662[11:15:11] <quadrathoch2> but idk if that works
• 663[11:15:27] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, solaar works fine but does not have options to configure mouse buttons. This seems to be only for the reciever
• 664[11:15:42] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, so I can pair/unpair devices, etc. But not configure various buttons
• 665[11:15:45] <quadrathoch2> ahh :)
• 666[11:16:16] <quadrathoch2> ,v piper
• 667[11:16:17] <judd> Package: piper on amd64 -- buster-backports: 0.4-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.5.1-1; sid: 0.5.1-1
• 668[11:16:29] <quadrathoch2> did you test this one ;)
• 669[11:16:48] <otisolsen70> No. It is not available on my system.
• 670[11:17:39] <quadrathoch2> did you activate the backports repo?
• 671[11:17:45] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 ^
• 672[11:17:51] <otisolsen70> I guess I will have to add backports. How to do this for only a single package?
• 673[11:18:48] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 backports is so integrated that it will only pull in the packages you want (you would need to specify those with apt install -t buster-backports <package>)
• 674[11:19:19] <quadrathoch2> so the repo is "deb replaced-url
• 675[11:19:43] <otisolsen70> OK. Do I just change "deb replaced-url
• 676[11:19:57] <otisolsen70> Oh. So I just add this line?
• 677[11:19:58] <Haohmaru> !sources.list
• 678[11:19:58] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
• 679[11:20:07] <quadrathoch2> extra line, because you still want to have the normal packages :) otisolsen70
• 680[11:20:25] <Haohmaru> bluh, that doesn't have backports example
• 681[11:20:55] <quadrathoch2> i guess it's
• 682[11:20:57] <quadrathoch2> !backports
• 683[11:20:58] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 684[11:21:04] <quadrathoch2> hm
• 685[11:21:35] <Haohmaru> it is, but there was a page on the wiki with examples of sources.list with and without backports and stuff
• 686[11:23:16] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, just installed piper from backports. It starts fine but cannot find any devices.
• 687[11:23:34] <quadrathoch2> ,v libratbag
• 688[11:23:35] <judd> No package named 'libratbag' was found in amd64.
• 689[11:24:23] <quadrathoch2> okay that's bad :/
• 690[11:25:28] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 did it install ratbag-tools (or ratbagd)
• 691[11:26:22] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, just installed that. Still cannot find anything. So do I need to reboot or sometihng?
• 692[11:26:27] <quadrathoch2> ahh ratbag doesn't support your device :/
• 693[11:27:20] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, do I need to be member of some specific group maybe?
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• 695[11:27:31] <quadrathoch2> not that I know of otisolsen70
• 696[11:27:35] <otisolsen70> Or do I need to install some other library for my mouse? It is a fairly common gamer momuse.
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• 701[11:29:25] <otisolsen70> THis is the one: replaced-url
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• 718[11:51:20] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 sorry no idea where to go from here :/
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• 721[11:52:57] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, found this. Maybe this will work: replaced-url
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• 744[12:14:25] <jmd> Great news! gettext-0.2x has finally arrived in unstable!
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• 762[12:31:24] <hramrach> hello
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• 764[12:32:00] <hramrach> if I install the grub-pc package is grub installed somewhere on the system or do I have to do it by hand?
• 765[12:33:37] <BCMM> hramrach: i think you'll actually have to configure it before you install it to your MBR
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• 767[12:33:48] <BCMM> (for one thing, it needs to know which disk it is supposed to be installed on)
• 768[12:34:20] <BCMM> by the way, are you sure you want grub-pc rather than grub-efi?
• 769[12:35:54] <hramrach> BCMM: yes, I want grub-pc rather than grub-efi. And I cannot find the configuration for where it installs
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• 771[12:37:05] <BCMM> actually i think you just decide where it goes when you invoke grub-install
• 772[12:37:12] <hramrach> the installer botched the installetion, I instaled it by hand after but if it is configured to install somewhere where the BIOS does not find it and the grub module ABI changes the system becomes unbootable on upgrade
• 773[12:37:30] <BCMM> e.g. grub-install /dev/sda
• 774[12:38:09] <hramrach> yes, I can run that. Does the package do the package do that, though?
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• 776[12:46:46] <BCMM> hramrach: i can't remember exactly how it works, but it appears that postinst can call grub-install
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• 779[12:48:02] <BCMM> the logic to decide whether to do it seems complicated though
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• 788[12:56:25] <sgo11> hi, I am compiling some other people's tool. It reports error msg: "hidapi.h: No such file or directory". But I have installed libhidapi-dev package and the file is at /usr/include/hidapi/hidapi.h. What can I do now? I am not a c/c++ programmer. Thanks.
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• 800[13:04:07] <hramrach> BCMM: so I should assume it will break
• 801[13:04:33] <BCMM> hramrach: that what will break? updating?
• 802[13:04:46] <BCMM> sgo11: what's the tool? is it public?
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• 809[13:07:41] <BCMM> i wonder if they're doing #include <hidapi/hidapi.h> or #include <hidapi.h>...
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• 815[13:10:20] <hramrach> BCMM: that some day the grub package will get updates, it will install itself someplace wrong, update the modules, and the current grub will no longer be able to load the modules
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• 825[13:21:08] <tyzef> hi ! is there any way with "cp" command shell to observ the process during the pasting ?
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• 829[13:24:50] <rk4> cp has a -v, but i don't 100% understand the question
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• 833[13:27:09] <tyzef> rk4, i have found that : rsync -avz --progress /folder/source/ /folder/destination/
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• 836[13:30:56] <oxek> how can I get this tool in debian? It should be part of curl package but isn't. replaced-url
• 837[13:31:47] <Ede|Popede> tyzef: maybe you can use pv
• 838[13:31:48] <tarzeau> oxek: maybe with apt-get source curl, and check in there and just build it?
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• 840[13:33:41] <tarzeau> oxek: ./lib/mk-ca-bundle.pl
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• 846[13:39:42] <oxek> I see, that might work, trying now, thanks
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• 855[13:44:13] <__marco> Hello. I maintain a deb repository for different distributions. Last time one specific package was missing for several dists. I wonder if there is a tool I can use to programmatically inspect the repository
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• 858[13:45:50] <Murgoth> Good morning, I'm using Debian 10.7, I installed zabbix but I can't get it to start automatically.
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• 861[13:46:23] <Murgoth> systemctl enable zabbix-server > update-rc.d: error: zabbix-server Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
• 862[13:47:04] <sgo11> BCMM: sorry about the late reply. yeah, you are right, it uses #include <hidapi.h>. After changing it to #include <hidapi/hidapi.h>, it works. Thank you very much.
• 863[13:47:11] <BCMM> np
• 864[13:48:48] <oxek> tarzeau: it all worked, thanks
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• 923[15:03:20] <emacsen> How are Debian packages selected for inclusion or non-inclusion?
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• 933[15:13:29] <BCMM> emacsen: a significant element is that somebody has to be prepared to actually do the work
• 934[15:14:22] <BCMM> i.e. there are applications that are not in Debian not because there's anything wrong with them, but just because nobody has bothered to package them
• 935[15:15:04] <emacsen> BCMM, Right, I meant more like... imagine someone sponsors Alice, a new DD, and one day she wants to upload a package that is just the contents of /dev/urandom > /etc/myfile. What policy or what person decides to give that a pass?
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• 938[15:15:37] <BCMM> oh that's an interesting question, actually. i don't know.
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• 944[15:16:12] <emacsen> BCMM, yeah I've been scouring the docs and not found it either :)
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• 946[15:16:47] <BCMM> i mean i wouldn't be entirely surprised if that's just never come up
• 947[15:17:08] <BCMM> i mean not that specific example obviously, but in general the issue of people just uploading trivial/stupid packages
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• 949[15:17:49] <BCMM> (i have not read the debian policy manual)
• 950[15:17:55] <emacsen> BCMM, I have to believe in the... gosh... 25+ years of Debian it must have come up once or twice :)
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• 952[15:19:00] <BCMM> how many people actually have unrestricted upload rights to the archive?
• 953[15:19:51] * emacsen shrugs :)
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• 958[15:28:02] <bitdefect> I've just came across this: replaced-url
• 959[15:28:19] <bitdefect> The video is about Hardening Debian Buster. The slides are English, but the talk is in French.
• 960[15:29:05] <bitdefect> He mentions there, that for Bullseye binaries might be compiled with PIE enabled.
• 961[15:29:24] <bitdefect> Does anyone know, if this is true?
• 962[15:29:41] <bitdefect> It would actually great.
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• 965[15:30:26] <bitdefect> Possibly he is just saying "It would be nice, if they would do it" - he seems to be no official Debian guy.
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• 974[15:40:05] <dondelelcaro> bitdefect: PIE is the default on most architectures that support it: replaced-url
• 975[15:40:58] <dondelelcaro> there may be some binaries where it's disabled for specific reasons, though
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• 981[15:44:12] <bitdefect> dondelelcaro: Was that the case in Buster already?
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• 1089[17:37:25] <zodd> How can I give an ethernet interface an additional name (allow for legacy and predictable name), so without specifiying multiple IP-addresses for the same interface?
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• 1102[17:39:49] <dvs> zodd: Create a udev rule with a SYMLINK option?
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• 1113[17:50:50] <zodd> On the same box I also can ping outside and nslookup/dig properly but cannot user lynx or apt although iptables is empty. Strange
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• 1145[18:23:35] <Ede|Popede> i'm about to install buster on a non-networked PC. i have already an older mini-buster there, must have happened in GPT mode -- originally the PC came with Win10 preinstalled, that disk is not used now, i'm fine with booting through the boodisk selection menu.
• 1146[18:24:33] <dvs> Ede|Popede: What's your question, rookie? ;-P
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• 1150[18:25:32] <Ede|Popede> partition 1 on that disk is EFI, 3 is that old buster. i'd like to keep it and install now to another one. what would be the best choice for the boot device? would it recognize the EFI part (which per grub.cfg) points to hd0,gpt3? used to be my only GTP related install so far and i remember i changed a few times the boot mode in the "bios"
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• 1152[18:27:00] <dvs> I wonder if os-prober would detect a Debian installation?
• 1153[18:27:59] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: If you boot via EFI, the EFI system partition will be shared by all OSes on that disk.
• 1154[18:28:19] <Ede|Popede> oh, so far i had to boot the system from a live stick, seems something didn't work as expected during installation. found out that "configfile $path" in the grub promt is enough after i did create a complete menu entry a few times before :)
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• 1156[18:29:02] <Ede|Popede> will the installer modify the EFI partition or does EFI just detect everything bootable by default?
• 1157[18:29:50] <Ede|Popede> can't even remember how long ago i had more than one system on one disk. never more than 2 and with 2 HDDs and selection at boot time it was all easy
• 1158[18:30:37] <petn-randall> Ede|Popede: The installer will write the bootable bits onto the ESP, and your UEFI will detect which OSes it can boot from there.
• 1159[18:31:46] <Ede|Popede> ah cool. sounds like separating code from data
• 1160[18:32:03] <Ede|Popede> anything that i should check? if no, i'll reboot now
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• 1207[19:02:10] <FightingFalcon> Should i upgrade to php 7.4?
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• 1210[19:05:25] <sney> 7.4 seems to be the php version for bullseye, so if you're going to upgrade to debian 11 in ~9 months, you won't have much of a choice
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• 1213[19:06:13] <sney> aside from sury stuff etc
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• 1217[19:07:11] <Ede|Popede> would it be adviceable to keep the system in en_US and only have the user account localized? just to avoid the additional translation layer and the need to change the locale for pastes etc.
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• 1221[19:08:19] <FightingFalcon> I updated php to 7.4 BUT it still says your site uses an older version in wordpress health screen
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• 1230[19:14:47] <sney> Ede|Popede: at that point you may as well make the system locale C as opposed to any region-specific kind of english. it's not a bad idea though
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• 1232[19:15:31] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Really depends on how you upgraded it. I'm guessing it's not being used.
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• 1235[19:16:22] <Ede|Popede> sney: yep, decided to go with en_US like i did the last time
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• 1239[19:20:32] <sney> I wouldn't be surprised if wordpress had extra paranoid warnings, and bullseye/sid has 7.4.11 while php.net's current stable is 7.4.13
• 1240[19:20:56] <sney> but the socket and/or apache configs are versioned so just installing the 7.4 packages is not enough to make your website use it.
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• 1242[19:26:15] <FightingFalcon> ok fixed
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• 1246[19:28:18] <FightingFalcon> How do i now deinstall all the services start with php7.3?
• 1247[19:28:27] <FightingFalcon> like apt-get remove php7.3* ?
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• 1256[19:35:24] <Peyam> hi, what is gnome-keyring-daemon? what do I even need it?
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• 1259[19:38:18] <mutante> Peyam: hi, it's for saving secrets like saved passwords or remembering the passphrase for a SSH key so you don't have to retype them every single time you make an SSH connection or login. it's for convenience, not needed but without it it might be annoying having to retype all the time
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• 1261[19:38:55] <mutante> compare to telling your browser to remember passwords or never do
• 1262[19:39:08] <Peyam> ah okey. Then I know
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• 1277[19:49:18] <greenbagels> mrkramps: oh an update: it seems the version of e1000e that supports my I219-V device dates from july 2019, so it's probably included in mainline distro packaging by now
• 1278[19:50:26] <greenbagels> the error that e1000e is giving says "probe of <NIC PCI address> failed with error -2", which corresponds to a macro E1000E_ERR_PHY in the driver source
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• 1280[19:51:53] <greenbagels> I'm tempted just to try running experimental on top of sid and seeing if things work better with a more recent kernel anyway
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• 1282[19:52:03] <greenbagels> just to rule out the possibility of faulty hardware
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• 1289[19:58:08] <Peyam> , xfce4
• 1290[19:58:24] <Peyam> the bot didn't say anything
• 1291[19:58:27] <Peyam> ,xfce4
• 1292[19:58:48] <dvs> ,v xfce4
• 1293[19:58:49] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14
• 1294[19:58:58] <greenbagels> ok actually 4.19 seems to definitely not support 8086:0d55
• 1295[19:59:02] <Peyam> ah okey I missed a v
• 1296[19:59:11] <Peyam> thank dvs
• 1297[19:59:16] <dvs> np
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• 1308[20:07:40] <Somelauw> Was there an apt-tool to quickly see if a package has any known bugs? Something like apt-known-issues redshift?
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• 1311[20:08:29] <Somelauw> problem that this package launches itself 100x times instead of once and causes the screen to flicker
• 1312[20:08:34] <nkuttler> Somelauw: there's apt-listbugs
• 1313[20:08:59] <nkuttler> Somelauw: it's now a glorious systemd user service
• 1314[20:09:01] <Somelauw> i don't have that command by default
• 1315[20:09:17] <Somelauw> systemd? What has that got to do with apt!?
• 1316[20:09:19] <sponix2ipfw> lol
• 1317[20:09:43] <nkuttler> Somelauw: google "what is a systemd user service"
• 1318[20:10:00] <nkuttler> Somelauw: it referring to redshift btw
• 1319[20:10:12] <Somelauw> ruby-debian ruby-domain-name ruby-gettext ruby-http-cookie ruby-httpclient ruby-locale ruby-soap4r ruby-sqlite3 ruby-text ruby-unf
• 1320[20:10:14] <Somelauw> ruby-unf-ext ruby-unicode ruby-xmlparser sqlite3
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• 1322[20:11:10] <Somelauw> oh, redshift as a deamon service may not be so bad, would it?
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• 1324[20:11:36] <Somelauw> and I don't know any alternative
• 1325[20:12:11] <Ede|Popede> do i really have to mark ALL partitions i want to keep MANUALLY with "K"?
• 1326[20:12:44] <Ede|Popede> EFI is K, Swap is F. the others... nada. including all from the 2nd HDD.
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• 1328[20:13:59] <Ede|Popede> (oh, context: installing buster to a disk with an older small buster already installed on EFI and rest data partitions, partially used)
• 1329[20:14:28] <Somelauw> last version of redshift is from 2016, so I don't know why it started behaving buggingly from today on
• 1330[20:15:02] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: Are you using the graphical installer or the text one
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• 1332[20:15:24] <Ede|Popede> Mister00X: restarted with the GUI because screenshots
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• 1334[20:16:32] <Mister00X> so if i remember correctly you can choose which partitions to reformat and which not and which to install to in the graphic install
• 1335[20:17:08] <Ede|Popede> i'm just concerned about how the installer handles partitions with none of K or f/F
• 1336[20:17:57] <Mister00X> I can't say this with absolute certainity but it should ignore them
• 1337[20:19:02] <Ede|Popede> EFI is K to keep it, so i guess "no K" means "don't keep" (autoformat?). Swap is F (reformat), so it will be formatted i guess. the help text suggests that "f" would be used for partitions which are going to be formatted. so what does it mean if there's no mark at all?
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• 1340[20:20:06] <Ede|Popede> i think in the past i even removed all but the system disk, but it's some time since i did it last time.
• 1341[20:20:23] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: honestly idk, sorry it's been some time since my last install.
• 1342[20:20:42] <Ede|Popede> i've seen there are 2 installer related channels on OFTS, one seems to be more about discussion, but -installer sounds good in the wiki
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• 1346[20:21:02] <Ede|Popede> thanks anyway, Mister00X :)
• 1347[20:21:34] <Ede|Popede> it's a reason why the screenshots btw. at least i'd remember next time what i did... or later why something may have gone wrong.
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• 1366[20:46:56] <Mister00X> Ede|Popede: apparently there is a help button in the installer which should explain the flags
• 1367[20:48:37] <Mister00X> This is a screenshot of the debian 9 installer replaced-url
• 1368[20:49:08] <Ede|Popede> Mister00X: i've read it, but the situation that there's no mark isn't mentioned. only sth like "you may want to format a partition where a fs has been created", which is actually what i do *not* want. i'd really prefer a "preservation first" approach here.
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• 1372[20:50:52] <Ede|Popede> ah, second last entry. but it says "are marked with K", which isn't the case. would mean i must mark them manually if a want to keep them.
• 1373[20:51:30] <Mister00X> Or you just don't mount them, there should be such an option
• 1374[20:51:56] <echoSMILE> Would be helpful if the links to navigate between news at replaced-url
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• 1391[21:07:42] <T-zef> hi guys
• 1392[21:08:00] <T-zef> is it a good time to install SiD?
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• 1394[21:08:22] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1395[21:08:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1397[21:09:00] <T-zef> thanks greycat
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• 1399[21:09:35] <T-zef> i must be invited to go on #debian-next ?
• 1400[21:09:53] <greycat> "If you get ... it means you did not read ..."
• 1401[21:10:05] <T-zef> yeah hehe sorry
• 1402[21:11:32] <T-zef> well am on it now !
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• 1404[21:12:23] <echoSMILE> is LXQT light as the LXDE ?
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• 1406[21:12:47] <quadrathoch2> echoSMILE that's what they at least try
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• 1415[21:17:47] <bostongeek36> hi ive downloaded debian into a chroot using crouton and i am unable to download anything from the net
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• 1417[21:17:55] <bostongeek36> ive used multiple websbrowsers
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• 1419[21:18:03] <bostongeek36> am i missing some package?
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• 1422[21:18:34] <quadrathoch2> bostongeek36 what is crouton?
• 1423[21:18:45] <sney> chromebook thing apparently
• 1424[21:18:56] <bostongeek36> linux for chromebooks
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• 1426[21:19:03] <bostongeek36> gives you a chroot
• 1427[21:19:13] <mrkramps> bostongeek36, but you have internet access?
• 1428[21:19:19] <bostongeek36> yes
• 1429[21:19:19] <sney> bet it's dns
• 1430[21:19:29] <bostongeek36> im wondering if its missing some kind of dependancy
• 1431[21:20:03] <sney> even the most minimal debian system can talk to the internet, as long as the network is configured
• 1432[21:20:18] <bostongeek36> does debian require any kind of package to be able to download from http? i have curl and wget i can use curl but its just odd that i cant use a web broswer
• 1433[21:20:28] <bostongeek36> i am able to get on the net
• 1434[21:20:29] <zodd> what is wrong the following udev rule: KERNEL=="enx*", SYSFS(address)=="<mac>", SYMLINK=="eth0" (I want to have two names for same interface)
• 1435[21:20:32] <sney> can you e.g. ping debian.org from inside the chroot?
• 1436[21:20:36] <bostongeek36> and go to websites
• 1437[21:20:46] <greycat> so curl *works*. then it's not the network. it's the browser, clearly.
• 1438[21:20:53] <bostongeek36> i am just unable to download any kind of file
• 1439[21:21:01] <bostongeek36> ive used multiple
• 1440[21:21:11] <bostongeek36> chromim firefox esr and opera
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• 1442[21:21:41] <BCMM> bostongeek36: what error do you get in Firefox?
• 1443[21:21:44] <bostongeek36> im wondering if the basic chroot install is missing something? there are different "packages" you can install
• 1444[21:21:53] <bostongeek36> just says download failed
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• 1446[21:22:19] <greycat> So you're saying that you can visit PAGES.
• 1447[21:22:29] <BCMM> bostongeek36: hang on, do you mean that firefox works for viewing web pages, it just won't let you save files?
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• 1449[21:22:48] <greycat> Or did you literally run something like 'firefox replaced-url
• 1450[21:23:02] <bostongeek36> BCMM correst i can surf just not download anything
• 1451[21:23:15] <greycat> Do you have write privileges on ~/Download/ ?
• 1452[21:23:17] <Ede|Popede> disk full?
• 1453[21:23:17] <BCMM> bostongeek36: so you've tried a bunch of different files, right?
• 1454[21:23:30] <bostongeek36> so for example i can go to google site to install chrome
• 1455[21:23:41] <bostongeek36> but if i try it says download failed
• 1456[21:23:43] <bostongeek36> yes
• 1457[21:24:11] <bostongeek36> maybe this is a question for the crouton guys. they have a "interesting" relationship with google
• 1458[21:24:18] <Ede|Popede> could it be it tries to download to a temporary directory and this one isn't usable?
• 1459[21:24:31] <BCMM> bostongeek36: when you check "save file" and press OK, does it prompt you for where to save it to, or does it just get on with it?
• 1460[21:24:48] <bostongeek36> originally it was a google developer who did it
• 1461[21:25:01] <bostongeek36> BCMM: it just tries and fails
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• 1464[21:25:35] <bostongeek36> it may be trying to download somewhere it doesn't have premission to but i would assume the default is ~/downloads or whatever
• 1465[21:25:40] <BCMM> bostongeek36: can you try right-clicking something and doing "save as"?
• 1466[21:25:50] <bostongeek36> let me check
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• 1473[21:29:20] <bostongeek36> so doing save as just saves the page
• 1474[21:29:31] <bostongeek36> and it is downloading to my home directory
• 1475[21:29:47] <bostongeek36> i guess this is a crouton question
• 1476[21:29:55] <bostongeek36> i must be missing some file or something
• 1477[21:30:14] <bostongeek36> google is always breaking crouton
• 1478[21:30:23] <bostongeek36> maybe they did something
• 1479[21:31:11] <bostongeek36> it used to be a google project but they have crostini now which is debian in a container
• 1480[21:31:30] <greycat> I cannot understand why you think "program x runs and mostly works but can't save a file to disk" is a symptom of "missing a file or package" rather than a symptom of something like "permissions are wrong" or "AppArmor is denying permissions" or "file system is mounted read only".
• 1481[21:32:02] <bostongeek36> greycat: i don't i just wanted to see if something was missing like oh you need x
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• 1483[21:32:23] <bostongeek36> clearly something is broken
• 1484[21:32:27] <bostongeek36> what im not sure
• 1485[21:32:35] <mrkramps> bostongeek36, so you can now save something and download does not fail anymore?
• 1486[21:32:43] <BCMM> bostongeek36: it really does sound like your downloads directory is set to something weird
• 1487[21:33:09] <bostongeek36> hmm
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• 1489[21:33:24] <bostongeek36> should it be rw-r-r?
• 1490[21:33:37] <greycat> for a DIRECTORY? no.
• 1491[21:33:44] <BCMM> try setting firefox to "Always ask you where to save files"
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• 1493[21:33:59] <greycat> directories need +x permissions
• 1494[21:34:31] <bostongeek36> ok thats the issue
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• 1497[21:35:55] <bostongeek36> idk why i didn't check that first i was stuck thinking it was a system error
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• 1505[21:43:07] <alexrelis[m]> Should I trust the TPM chip on my computer?
• 1506[21:43:16] <alexrelis[m]> Does LUKS use TPM?
• 1507[21:45:07] <sney> afaik it's only used by secure boot, by default
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• 1510[21:46:27] <alexrelis[m]> sney: I heard that in a Windows environment, Bitlocker relies on TPM for the encryption. But idk about Debian.
• 1511[21:47:53] <bolt> alexrelis[m]: you can trust it as much as the rest of your hardware. unless your perceived adversary is a nation state of significant influence, it's unlikely to be an attack vector. that's unless you're getting infected from the usual sources and the attack exploits the chip, but then you could just as well assume it'd exploit almost anything else.
• 1512[21:48:00] <sney> luks doesn't have any specific hardware requirements like that. I'm seeing some google results that indicate it's possible, but certainly not used by default
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• 1532[22:00:47] <mazet> is there a simple way to make a .iso netinst file that starts an ssh server that you can run the installer over, and can someone point me to docs for that?
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• 1535[22:02:12] <bolt> mazet: a fully unattended install would be a lot more common. are you sure that won't satisfy your needs?
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• 1537[22:02:53] <mazet> possibly, if thats simpler. but i need to set up luks on a remote host
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• 1539[22:03:19] <mazet> i usually set it up with the hosting providers autoinstaller and then boot into a rescue os in memory and set up luks in a chroot
• 1540[22:03:36] <mazet> but it has occurred to me that route could be less hassle
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• 1542[22:05:40] <mazet> i would rather not upload an iso with the luks passphrase to the hosting provider but i can use a temporary one and switch them around after
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• 1548[22:14:59] <alexrelis[m]> mazet: This doesn't really help you, but I remember OpenSUSE having this feature.
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• 1550[22:16:19] <Sarcutus> Sorry to intrude, but I'm breaking my head trying to install Debian. I'm -- I THINK -- using the net installer, but it keeps asking for a CD-ROM which my laptop doesn't have. It won't let me get past this hurdle. Anyone know anything about this?
• 1551[22:16:55] <Mister00X> does it ask for firmware on that cd-rom?
• 1552[22:17:23] <Sarcutus> Mister00X: Drivers.
• 1553[22:17:23] <greycat> if you're installing on a laptop, it's HIGHLY recommended that you use the installer images that have non-free firmware on them
• 1554[22:17:26] <greycat> !firmware images
• 1555[22:17:26] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
• 1556[22:17:55] <Mister00X> ^^this
• 1557[22:18:02] <Sarcutus> !!!
• 1558[22:18:02] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
• 1559[22:18:12] <Sarcutus> ?
• 1560[22:18:57] <mazet> alexrelis[m]: its a really nice feature, somewhat surprised its not more common
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• 1563[22:20:20] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, which tool are you using to flash iso image to usb storage?
• 1564[22:20:31] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: dd
• 1565[22:20:43] <mrkramps> hmkay, this definitely not your issue then
• 1566[22:21:11] <Sarcutus> Just noticed the "expert graphical install" option ... maybe I'll have better luck here.
• 1567[22:21:53] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: Yeah, dd is very flashy, it's my go-to for flashing bootable media
• 1568[22:22:20] <mazet> this hosting provider suppots installing centos over vnc but not debian ... but i can upload a custom iso
• 1569[22:22:23] <greycat> "expert graphical" is such an oxymoron
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• 1572[22:24:01] <Sarcutus> greycat: Lol ... you know not every distro can install like Arch or Gentoo
• 1573[22:25:25] <greycat> I'm just saying... the regular Debian installer (which is not graphical) can also do "expert" or "not expert"
• 1574[22:26:52] <greycat> in any case, I don't think switching to expert mode is going to help work around the missing firmware issue
• 1575[22:27:07] <gwolf23> I recall years ago I would only ise dd to falsh iso images to USB. These days I just `cp image.iso /dev/sdb` or like
• 1576[22:27:17] <greycat> dd and cp are both fine
• 1577[22:27:42] <greycat> all that matters are using the right image in the first place, and using the right destination device name
• 1578[22:27:54] <greycat> (and, uh, making sure it's not mounted)
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• 1580[22:28:45] <mutante> Sarcutus: option a) just use an Ethernet cable during the install one time, install nonfreem firmware for wifi.. from then on use wifi and done option b) create USB drive with nonfree firmware on it and let the installer mount it when it asks for it (might be hard to get right so it detects it) option c) use special installer image that already contains nonfree to start with
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• 1585[22:33:22] <Sarcutus> greycat: Oh, it was exactly the same menu as for a regular installer.
• 1586[22:33:31] <Sarcutus> greycat: Oh, it was exactly the same menu as for a regular installer.
• 1587[22:33:40] <Sarcutus> Ack
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• 1589[22:34:10] <Sarcutus> Sorry about the repetitiveness
• 1590[22:34:33] <Sarcutus> greycat: Yeah, I'm downloading a firmware netinstall ISO now.
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• 1628[23:15:56] <Sarcutus> Um ... should the net installer be asking for a CD-ROM drive?
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• 1630[23:17:16] <quadrathoch2> the cdrom is just an old word for usb in this regard
• 1631[23:17:43] <Sarcutus> quyadrathoch2: That's interesting, because ... it's sure acting like it has no idea any are there ...
• 1632[23:18:00] <greycat> You're using a CD image that happens to be burned to a USB thingy. The installer still thinks it's a CD, though. If it's prompting you to insert a firmware disc, you can try inserting a firmware-bearing USB thingy. I have no idea how to do that. I would use the unofficial images insetad.
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• 1634[23:19:01] <hramrach> I just install the firware after the system is running when not critical for installation
• 1635[23:19:19] <Sarcutus> greycat: This is an unofficial image. So when it asks, "Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media?", I can just say yes without removing the installation media?
• 1636[23:19:19] <greycat> that works as long as you don't need to use those devices during the install
• 1637[23:19:22] <dvs> Sarcutus: That usually means the image was not written properly to the USB drive..
• 1638[23:19:26] <Jonesy320> If it's looking for firmware you can just pu tthe file on the root of a fat formatted thumbdrive
• 1639[23:19:45] <Sarcutus> dvs: Oooooooooooh! I got ya. So it could be an issue with dd.
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• 1641[23:20:16] <dvs> Sarcutus: yes, the destination could have been wrong (disk .vs partition)
• 1642[23:20:20] <greycat> What *exactly* is it asking you for?
• 1643[23:21:21] <Sarcutus> It says it's scanning ... disk vs partition? Bugger me. greycat: It says it's scanning for a CD-ROM drive, then that it can't find one. Then it asks if I have removable media with the drivers on it.
• 1644[23:21:32] <Sarcutus> And says to insert that media if I have it.
• 1645[23:22:07] <greycat> if you wrote the image to /dev/xxx1 instead of /dev/xxx then you did it wrong.
• 1646[23:23:30] <Jonesy320> Last time I ran into this issue I ended up rewriting the install media and it worked after that.
• 1647[23:23:39] <Sarcutus> I definitely wrote the image to /dev/xxx.
• 1648[23:23:50] <mrkramps> symc?
• 1649[23:23:54] <mrkramps> *sync
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• 1655[23:35:18] <mutante> Sarcutus: and if you just ignore the whole thing, can you continue to the next installer step anyways?
• 1656[23:35:37] <mutante> you can still install missing drivers after install is done
• 1657[23:35:50] <mutante> unless it's about wifi and you are trying to install via wifi
• 1658[23:35:57] <Sarcutus> mutante: Nope. It's a CD-ROM, or abort the whole installation. That's what's got me thinking I must've done it wrong.
• 1659[23:36:31] <mutante> Sarcutus: didn't you say you got the netinstall iso though?
• 1660[23:36:50] <Sarcutus> Yeah. While I was running Gentoo.
• 1661[23:37:12] <Sarcutus> I have a few systems on my primary laptop. I'm not currently typing on my primary laptop.
• 1662[23:37:33] <mutante> so we know it wants a CD-ROM to look for firmware but do you also know what hardware it is all about?
• 1663[23:37:49] <mutante> does this happen at the "detecting network" step?
• 1664[23:37:52] <Sarcutus> That's a mystery. It doesn't say.
• 1665[23:38:00] <Sarcutus> There is no "detecting network" step.
• 1666[23:38:11] <mutante> uhm.. weird
• 1667[23:38:18] <Sarcutus> Exceedingly
• 1668[23:38:27] <mutante> what is the last thing you see before it is asking for CD?
• 1669[23:38:37] <mrkramps> for me this sounds like the installer is looking for the contents of the image
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• 1671[23:39:22] <mutante> mrkramps is probably right and something went wrong while writing the ISO
• 1672[23:39:57] <Sarcutus> mutante: It asks what language I speak.
• 1673[23:40:18] <mrkramps> The installer detects your hardware, and tries to identify the CD-ROM drive used in order to access its content. It loads the modules corresponding to the various hardware components detected, and then “mounts” the CD-ROM in order to read it.
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• 1675[23:41:08] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: So I have to have an internal CD-ROM drive to install this OS? Crikey.
• 1676[23:41:37] <Sarcutus> The CD-ROM drive plugs in via a USB connection. It's external.
• 1677[23:41:59] <mutante> no, you don't need an actual CD-ROM drive
• 1678[23:42:02] <ectospasm> You don't have a USB flash drive?
• 1679[23:42:22] <Sarcutus> ectospasm: I'm booting from a USB flash drive.
• 1680[23:42:30] <mrkramps> this thing is a hybrid iso which can be written to usb drive or optical media
• 1681[23:43:12] <Sarcutus> Do any of you know of a utility other than dd in Gentoo that can flash an .iso to a USB drive?
• 1682[23:43:16] <mrkramps> the installer just always assumes running from a cd-rom (even if it is a dvd)
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• 1684[23:43:41] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, what is the _exact_ dd command you used?
• 1685[23:44:16] <mutante> nowadays you can use "cp" for what historically needed dd
• 1686[23:45:03] <Sarcutus> mrkramps: dd if=firmware-10.7.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb
• 1687[23:45:24] <Sarcutus> mutante: cp? I'll try that.
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• 1689[23:45:46] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, and you run a 'sync' after flashing was done?
• 1690[23:45:48] <dvs> Sarcutus: yeah, cp is a good second try. But do a "sync" afterwards
• 1691[23:46:12] <Sarcutus> Do a "sync" afterwards? Um ... never heard of that. How does one do that?
• 1692[23:46:26] <mutante> Sarcutus: yes, just type ... sync
• 1693[23:46:27] <dvs> Sarcutus: run "sync" after the cp.
• 1694[23:46:29] <mutante> replaced-url
• 1695[23:46:43] <mutante> eh, did not mean to post the jessie link.. but for this case doesnt matter
• 1696[23:46:43] <dvs> mutante: jessie?
• 1697[23:46:46] <mutante> i KNEW IT
• 1698[23:47:01] <mrkramps> and doesn't matter if it is cp or dd, run :$ sync
• 1699[23:48:02] <mrkramps> the command will make sure all data from cache is written to disk
• 1700[23:48:26] <ectospasm> and wait for the LED on your USB flash disk stops flashing (if it has one).
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• 1704[23:49:35] <Sarcutus> Ran sync. Not sure it did anything. If it did, it did it real fast.
• 1705[23:49:55] <mrkramps> yeah, no feedback and it's quite fast when there's not much data
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• 1709[23:55:50] <Sarcutus> I knew it. It didn't work. Exact same scenario. This nonsense with the CD-ROM drive.
• 1710[23:56:01] <Sarcutus> Here's the menu:
• 1711[23:56:04] <Sarcutus> Choose language
• 1712[23:56:16] <Sarcutus> Access software for a blind person using a braille display
• 1713[23:56:21] <ectospasm> Which ISO did you download?
• 1714[23:56:44] <Sarcutus> So far, a couple. The one that's on this USB should be the non-free firmware net installer ISO
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• 1716[23:57:09] <ectospasm> Do you need non-free firmware for your WiFi NIC?
• 1717[23:57:14] <Sarcutus> but it's acting just like the first thing I tried
• 1718[23:57:23] <Sarcutus> I think so, yes. Qualcomm Atheros.
• 1719[23:57:34] <ectospasm> Sarcutus: Can you drop to the shell VT and poke around?
• 1720[23:57:48] <ectospasm> Ctrl-Alt-4 IIRC
• 1721[23:57:54] <ectospasm> Or something like that
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• 1724[23:58:22] <Sarcutus> ectospasm: well, "execute a shell" was in the menu.
• 1725[23:58:29] <Sarcutus> What sort of poking shall I do then?
• 1726[23:58:41] <mrkramps> Sarcutus, try mounting it manually maybe
• 1727[23:58:49] <ectospasm> check /proc/mounts, see if your USB drive is mounted.
• 1728[23:59:20] <Sarcutus> mount isn't in the list of built-in commands
• 1729[23:59:51] <ectospasm> You don't need mount to check /proc/mounts
• 1730[23:59:58] <ectospasm> Just `cat /proc/mounts`
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