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15 [00:31:01] <nifker> Why is there no such package for qt5? But qt4-linguist-tools exists?
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17 [00:31:33] <mmance> I am trying to change the gdm3 resolution on buster
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19 [00:32:07] <themill> Ademan: I remember the apt people talking about this and I thought it existed in bullsye/sid already (but I can't find it in the documentation)
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21 [00:33:00] <themill> nifker: qttools5-dev-tools has lrelease and lupdate if that's what you're looking for
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46 [00:55:33] <asterismo_l> well, i tried everything
47 [00:56:20] <pfred1> you tries turning it off and on again?
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76 [01:23:54] <asterismo_l> adding acpi parameters to grub, tried pm-suspend, echo "mem" | sudo tee /sys/power/state, but it cannot resume after suspend
77 [01:24:03] <asterismo_l> i get distorted graphic and system freeze
78 [01:24:16] <asterismo_l> is there anything else i can try?
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82 [01:31:07] <tomreyn> asterismo_l: suspend and whether or not it works well is highly platform specific. you did not provide ubuntu release, hardware or firmware information
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84 [01:31:35] <tomreyn> for supported ubuntu releases, use systemd-sleep, not pm-utils
85 [01:31:59] <asterismo_l> it is a Dell Precision 530 MT Dual Xeon, with Intel 82860 chipset
86 [01:32:06] <quadrathoch2> *cough* you are probably talking about debian release ;) not ubuntu
87 [01:32:12] <asterismo_l> i'm running Debian 10 buster i386
88 [01:32:16] <tomreyn> oops, right
89 [01:32:33] <tomreyn> ahem, debian of course
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91 [01:32:39] <asterismo_l> i was running Debian 7 before, and suspend/resume worked perfectly well out of the box
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93 [01:33:57] <tomreyn> see systemd-suspend.service(8)
94 [01:34:26] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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99 [01:37:04] <tomreyn> i would recommend switching to amd64 soon
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101 [01:38:53] <tomreyn> especially with smp
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106 [01:41:54] <asterismo_l> what does this grub parameter does? GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="vga=0"
107 [01:42:21] <tomreyn> your CPU is probably vulnerable to some spectre variants, too, and EOL, and needs to be replaced soon.
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109 [01:43:07] <asterismo_l> tomreyn, like most Intel CPUs manufactured until 2015 o 2016... the kernel mitigates that anpways
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111 [01:43:51] <tomreyn> kernel mitigates partially, potentially fully with firmware support
112 [01:44:11] <tomreyn> i386 patches still less complete than amd64
113 [01:44:29] <asterismo_l> thanks for the advice
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2280 [02:18:23] <sponix> sney: replaced-url
2281 [02:18:34] <rk4> rrn: wait...virtualbox isn't even in debian stable because oracle :< - replaced-url
2282 [02:18:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2285 [02:19:55] <sney> virtualbox packages are no longer in stable because of that bug; however, virtualbox *guests* are still supported, and the vbox* modules are in mainline linux. so it depends what end of virtualbox you're on.
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2288 [02:20:50] <sney> sponix: if you want mxlinux support you'll have to get a forum account
2289 [02:20:53] <sney> !antix
2290 [02:20:53] <dpkg> antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible systems ( replaced-url
2291 [02:21:03] <oerheks> sponix, at least you have the final adobe flashplayer, jolo
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2293 [02:21:54] <sponix> oerheks: Yeah, I actually had something say it required flash :P
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2295 [02:22:10] <rrn> rk4, well it doesn't quite matter...point is, the system was shut off when apt-get upgrade was running at the actual filesystem manipulation stage, most likely...
2296 [02:22:16] <sponix> needless to say, that thing is way out of date also
2297 [02:22:52] <rrn> rk4, I saw Virtualbox operations, then it began seriously thrashing, I switched to a text console, and it kept timing out
2298 [02:23:02] <rrn> rk4, after like half an hour I shut the power off
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2300 [02:24:08] <sney> rrn: boot the system again, run 'apt -f install', and see if it can recover itself automatically. if it can't, provide specifics.
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2302 [02:25:28] <rrn> sney, ok, thanks
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2311 [02:38:39] <asterismo_l> in messages, i see this ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5)
2312 [02:38:52] <henko> is somebody here using zathura? I can't set the font to Terminus (bitmap font). It ignored the setting. Does somebody know a solution?
2313 [02:39:00] <asterismo_l> but the PC BIOS allows me to switch to S1 or S3
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2325 [02:42:59] <eb0t> henko when i had problems setting the font ..it was normally becuase the font was not installed on the system
2326 [02:43:18] <eb0t> so it defaults to an available font
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2329 [02:44:47] <henko> eb0t: true, I also noticed that expected behavior, but I'm using Terminus everywhere.
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2331 [02:45:01] <eb0t> ah ok
2332 [02:46:20] <__dutch__> henko: is zathura using pango? if so, pango dropped support for bitmap fonts in v. 1.44
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2344 [02:55:21] <henko> __dutch__: aaaahhh that might be it
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2346 [02:58:55] <henko> anybody else having that issue, you need this font: replaced-url
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2352 [03:07:40] <Deyaa> Hello
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2354 [03:08:23] <Deyaa> Why can't I put underscore in hostname??
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2376 [03:33:35] <rk4> Deyaa: man 5 hostname might provide some hints
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2378 [03:35:47] <Ede|Popede> Deyaa, the exact question: replaced-url
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2383 [03:37:45] <Deyaa> But why android phones use it without problems? rk4 Ede|Popede
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2385 [03:40:05] <Ede|Popede> no idea what android phones do, but can you reach them using these hostnames? can you ping them?
2386 [03:41:37] <Ede|Popede> oh, hostname vs domain name replaced-url
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2392 [03:49:36] <Ede|Popede> lol it seems completely broken replaced-url
2393 [03:49:45] <Ede|Popede> a FIXED INVALID hostname Oo
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2402 [04:03:32] <eb0t> hey how do you know how many man pages there are for hostname
2403 [04:03:38] <eb0t> i normally type man hostname
2404 [04:03:46] <eb0t> how to know to type man 5 hostname
2405 [04:04:10] <eb0t> didnt even know that page existed
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2409 [04:06:59] <__dutch__> eb0t: man -k hostname or apropos hostname
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2411 [04:07:14] <Ede|Popede> or man -a hostname
2412 [04:07:15] <eb0t> thanks __dutch__
2413 [04:07:30] <eb0t> thanks Ede|Popede
2414 [04:07:53] <Ede|Popede> oh my goodness, just did -k /o\
2415 [04:12:24] <rk4> "Sams teach yourself Linux in 24 hours", circa 1999, was where i learnt these topics
2416 [04:12:52] <rk4> was an effective book, despite expectations
2417 [04:13:17] <pfred1> it did not take me 24 hours to learn how to spell Linux because I am a fast learner
2418 [04:14:56] <rk4> yeah but 23 hours to master a 5 letter word is only a minor boast
2419 [04:19:00] <ryouma> gotta start someplace
2420 [04:19:17] <ryouma> i learned unix by trying 1 letter commands then 2 letter commands
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2426 [04:20:38] <rk4> how long did the 1 letters take
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2429 [04:22:19] <ryouma> 26 * n
2430 [04:22:33] <ryouma> within an afternoon i had figured out some basics like ls
2431 [04:22:36] <pfred1> I am curious what 1 letter commands there are
2432 [04:22:57] <ryouma> there might have been none or htere might have been an alias or dunno maybe 1 or 2 existed
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2434 [04:23:41] <ryouma> but it said "there is news" so i tried news, which was some non-usenet thing. then i found usenet.
2435 [04:23:49] <ryouma> and there is maiol so i tried mail
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2439 [04:24:40] <ryouma> and i read the entire usenet spool in one afternoon, skipping over net.basketball
2440 [04:24:48] <rk4> $ apropos '.*'|awk 'length($1) == 1 {print $1}'
2441 [04:24:48] <rk4> [
2442 [04:24:49] <rk4> w
2443 [04:25:08] <ryouma> ah
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2446 [04:25:38] <ryouma> then it was man pages and apropos. and i learned sh from the man page. which is astonishing at this point.
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2448 [04:25:58] <pfred1> it seems like there's only 2 1 letter commands in /usr/bin
2449 [04:26:10] <Ede|Popede> o
2450 [04:26:20] <rk4> w is a bit of an anomally, the shortest command but increasingly rarely used
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2453 [04:26:37] <ryouma> oh i didn't say i knew the caommands. i tried keys. and 1 or 2 were commands.
2454 [04:26:38] <pfred1> there's X too
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2456 [04:28:01] <Ede|Popede> not a reliable method, you probably don't have all of them installed (seems o isn't available here atm either)
2457 [04:28:33] <ryouma> o?
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2459 [04:29:05] <pfred1> I am pretty sure I have all of the expected core packages installed
2460 [04:29:44] <Ede|Popede> don't ask me. i just remember it having been too often in mc's commandline after trying to C-o the panels and being executed when trying to cd
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2462 [04:30:27] <pfred1> might have just been an mc thing?
2463 [04:30:35] <pfred1> I was never a fan myself
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2465 [04:30:58] <pfred1> must be why it is not installed
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2467 [04:31:24] <rk4> replaced-url
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2469 [04:31:28] <Ede|Popede> no, it executes whatever is in the cmd when pressing enter. maybe i should keep ctrl pressed just a bit longer :)
2470 [04:31:31] <rk4> s/thing/nothing/
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2472 [04:33:55] <Ede|Popede> maybe an alias or a function from somewhere
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2476 [04:38:43] <pfred1> or some weird shell internal
2477 [04:42:14] <f8e4> folks, i do 'xset q' and after suspend to ram dpms is back on!
2478 [04:42:23] <f8e4> how to permanetnly 'xset -dpms'!
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2481 [04:43:38] <pfred1> could put it into your ~/.xinitrc file
2482 [04:44:14] <pfred1> then every time X starts the command is issued
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2485 [04:45:52] <pfred1> I have xset m 3/2 0 & in mine
2486 [04:46:09] <pfred1> I think that has something to so with the mouse?
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2521 [05:43:27] <sponix2ipfw> ever run an AMD GPU for the primary display and a Nvidia one for nvenc in the same machine?
2522 [05:45:32] <dvs> ???
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2570 [07:13:50] <bradd_> having a problem deleting a raid array from the partitioner in the installer.. can anyone tell me how?
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2573 [07:15:27] <rk4> you can switch to a shell in the installer, and do it the old fashioned way
2574 [07:15:58] <rk4> also, what is this 'raid array'
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2576 [07:16:41] <bradd_> using 2 mirrored disks as a raid 1 array for '/'
2577 [07:18:52] <rk4> mdadm mirror? lvm mirror? btrfs mirror? [i don't recall what the installer UI supports]
2578 [07:19:04] <bradd_> mdadm
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2582 [07:21:52] <bradd_> k, I did it from the command line. thanks for the help
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2714 [10:30:34] <mrig> Hello
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2717 [10:32:18] <mrig> I am trying to install debian into a prexisting LUKS container: How can I get and use cryptsetup before running the disksetup so that my encrypted container and its LVM partitions are available from the setup options?
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2731 [10:50:28] <another> i think you can switch to a console with alt+f2
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2743 [11:07:56] <mrAZ> Hi, what is the correct approach to get binaries starting without typing path in buster? e.g. ifup<enter>, instead of /usr/sbin/ifup<enter>? Where to set env variables?
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2747 [11:12:08] <goksin> env variables are strored in $SHELL configuration files. You can set $PATH in conf file statically, or export $PATH wheren ever you need it.
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2751 [11:14:20] <mrAZ> so i have to include export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/ in ~/.bashrc , ~/.zshrc ... etc separately, or is there some way to set it for all shells?
2752 [11:15:52] <goksin> Each shell has its own configuration file, therefore you need to edit all shell configuration files
2753 [11:17:15] <mrAZ> goksin: thx
2754 [11:17:23] <goksin> You are welcome
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2761 [11:32:16] <DaRock> hey guys
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2763 [11:33:15] <DaRock> I'm guessing there'd be a wider range o users here using ldap/krb5 auth - how do you get lightdm-webkit2-greeter to cooperate with those users?
2764 [11:33:47] <DaRock> I can only get local users showing, and manual login is impossible
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2766 [11:34:44] <pyrrhus> hi, I'm looking for some advice on installing software that isn't available in official Debian repositories. For university I
2767 [11:36:04] <pyrrhus> am required to use MS Teams. I did use the official repository but didn't like the idea of having a vendor repo in my source list that could update any one of my packages. Do you think this is something I should realistically worry about?
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2770 [11:40:29] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: you may use snap or flatpak if msteams on there
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2780 [11:50:17] <pyrrhus> NetTerminalGene: I switched over to flatpak but was having some issues with that version. The official repo version seemed to work so much better, that's why I want to know if I can switch back without having to worry about microsoft pushing a package update and breaking my system
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2782 [11:51:31] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: good luck then
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2786 [11:54:01] <goksin> pyrrhus: Any update to external repos are limited only for one specific software package. Ypu can update or unisntall it via package manager.
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2788 [11:54:16] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: does M$ provide Teams as .deb on their website as a download or are they providing their repo only?
2789 [11:55:35] <goksin> pyrrus: I am running zoom on Debian 10 with official debian repos and zoom has only one ".deb" package for install and remove
2790 [11:55:59] <Mister00X> Because if they are providing a downlodable .deb you could install it manual with apt
2791 [11:56:25] <goksin> The down size is Zoom does not offere ant repo. You need to manually download, install, remove and update with apt ony.
2792 [11:56:52] <goksin> Updating is removing old package and aintslling the newone manually.
2793 [11:57:07] <goksin> I think it may be the same for M$teams
2794 [11:57:33] <goksin> Zoom did not break anything yet ;)
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2796 [11:58:03] <jelly> goksin, MS has working apt repos for their skype, teams, vscode builds
2797 [11:58:57] <goksin> jelly: thanks for info. I will keep that in mind
2798 [11:59:21] <pyrrhus> goksin: oh right. so only the ms teams package can be updated by that repo? I am just hesitant with the idea that a non-official debian repo is able to inject whatever software they please when I update my system but maybe this is not possible anyway?
2799 [11:59:57] <jelly> pyrrhus, you are right in that any package can be updated, apt works that way
2800 [12:00:23] <pyrrhus> Mister00X: there is a .deb package on their site, however it seems that it adds the repo any way, at least it seems that way when I looked through the .deb archive
2801 [12:01:15] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: Oh so you can't be safe from their PPA. How evil
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2803 [12:01:47] <pyrrhus> Mister00X: yes, it's quite intrusive
2804 [12:01:54] <goksin> Well importing software to Debian requires using of official tools and repos. I think M$ is not that stupid to inject anything unofficial.
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2806 [12:04:56] <Mister00X> I don't believe M$ will do something like that with their repos. I just don't like the idea of M$ adding repos to my system or to be precise of anyone beside me adding repos
2807 [12:07:09] <pyrrhus> could someone explain to me, or direct me to, how software is installed on Linux systems? For example when I use apt install, what files are installed on my system? Does apt simply download a bunch of executable binaries and put them in the correct directories on my system?
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2809 [12:07:30] <goksin> Absolutely it does
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2811 [12:07:49] <goksin> Debian packagre are two kind: Binary and source packages
2812 [12:08:16] <goksin> Binary packages are compiled and ready to deploy software by package mangement tools
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2816 [12:08:47] <goksin> Source packages are for users who want to appy custom config and buid their own packages
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2818 [12:09:07] <goksin> APT and APTITUDE are cli tools, synaptics is a GUI tool
2819 [12:09:52] <Haohmaru> Synaptic
2820 [12:09:53] <goksin> A package manager simply installs all binary stuff to proper directories, edits configuration files (sometimes) and stops
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2822 [12:10:06] <Mister00X> pyrrhus: I should mention if you ever want to uninstall Teams the repo created by the package will not be deleted form /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ you will have to do that by hand
2823 [12:11:02] <goksin> Romeval is done in to ways: Either purge (remove all config files and binaries) or remove (keep config files)
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2826 [12:11:50] <goksin> Anything in $HOME directories will reside there. So you can remove $USER related files manually when ever you need it
2827 [12:11:56] <Haohmaru> purge and bleach
2828 [12:12:11] <goksin> That is the simples form I can tell. Anything missing please insert
2829 [12:12:53] <pyrrhus> will purge not remove config files that reside in the $HOME dir?
2830 [12:13:00] <goksin> Synaptic is easy if you are not comfortable wtih CLI
2831 [12:13:06] <pyrrhus> and thank you for such a detailed explanation
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2833 [12:13:34] <goksin> $HOME is fır users. Software mangement tools won't intefere with that
2834 [12:13:34] <jelly> pyrrhus, nothing in users' home dirs gets touched by package management, ever, in debian
2835 [12:13:53] <jelly> other distros might have different policies
2836 [12:14:10] <pyrrhus> interesting! I wish I had known that previously
2837 [12:14:18] <goksin> If software mangemnt tools interfere $HOME directories things may get annoying
2838 [12:14:56] <goksin> I did that once upon a time and result was horrible. An usable dektop environment and nothing works except mouse ;)
2839 [12:15:15] <pyrrhus> I read something about installing binaries to a user home directory to keep it separate from the rest of my system. How could I go about doing that with MS Teams for example? I'm also a little confused as to how dependencies would work in this scenario
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2842 [12:16:45] <goksin> pyrrhus: I am not familiar with that. AFAIK, build sourcecode requires some of the files on prefdefined directories in order to work
2843 [12:17:23] <goksin> In case of CHROOT, all necessary files to run a software is placed under that directory to emulate a system for sohtware to run
2844 [12:17:36] <goksin> I think that is what it is about.
2845 [12:17:37] <NetTerminalGene> pyrrhus: you can use firejail sandox software
2846 [12:17:44] <NetTerminalGene> sandbox*
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2848 [12:19:42] <pyrrhus> goksin: so does that mean I could theoretically just install a binary along with any of it's needed dependencies in the same directory and the software should work out of there?
2849 [12:20:10] <pyrrhus> NetTerminalGene: I will look into that, thank you
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2851 [12:21:41] <ayekat> pyrrhus: that usually won't work - tools usually expect things like libraries, configuration files, ... in specific places
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2853 [12:22:31] <ayekat> in many cases, you can make software search its stuff in other places, but it often depends on how it was written, built, and... even if it is possible, it involves a lot of tinkering
2854 [12:22:31] <goksin> pyrrus: It is
2855 [12:23:32] <ayekat> ah wait, missed the chroot point - ignore what I wrote ^^'
2856 [12:23:59] <goksin> CHROOT is not easy. You need to know all the files needed for operation and configure it the way it is supposed to work
2857 [12:24:13] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus: usually i put things into /usr/local. works with firefox and some other tools too. sometimes a .deb isn't even crucial, unpacking it manually and throwing the file into it also works. depends on how the software is designed. some settings may be needed which are done during normal apt installation by the included scripts.
2858 [12:24:14] <goksin> It is not an easy task.
2859 [12:24:42] <Ede|Popede> if it's just about not putting files into aptland.
2860 [12:25:32] <Ede|Popede> goksin: i thinl debtree could help?
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2862 [12:25:39] <Ede|Popede> s/l/k/
2863 [12:25:51] <pyrrhus> okay, that makes sense, I think I was getting a little confused with building from source in the home directory, not just placing binaries in there. The only scenario that would work is if it was a statically linked binary right? So for example a golang executable file
2864 [12:26:53] <ayekat> pyrrhus: for binary executables, you could set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to have the dynamic linker search libraries in your home directory as well, so it doesn't necessarily need recompiling
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2866 [12:27:06] <ayekat> but... not that I would recommend going down that line :-/
2867 [12:27:22] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: lol I like that way of correcting typos
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2870 [12:27:52] <Ede|Popede> heh, i got used to it
2871 [12:28:05] <goksin> Ede|Popede: I think so. It's been a long time since I had been to CHROOT installs
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2873 [12:28:41] <pyrrhus> ayecat: okay, that went over my head a little. I don't really understand dynamic linking all too well.
2874 [12:28:53] <goksin> I might probably forgot many details and many things has changed till now
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2876 [12:29:39] <goksin> dynamic lininkg is like borrowing a tool or ask a friend for help to do someting for you.
2877 [12:30:18] <goksin> Static linking is like being the experti and doing all the work by yourself
2878 [12:30:27] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus: think "DLL". you have files with ressources *somewhere* where the programs can find them when they are started. plural because it's not necessary for each of them to bring their own copy. it's already there.
2879 [12:30:32] <goksin> a bad example I guess
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2881 [12:31:20] <goksin> :-D
2882 [12:31:20] <Ede|Popede> it's like the web function these days. just use the same cdn code like a million other people.
2883 [12:31:29] <goksin> Good one!
2884 [12:32:01] <Ede|Popede> and if a library (say, one that returns the bigger of 2 integers) is removed... half of the web is broken!
2885 [12:32:25] <pyrrhus> goksin: no, your example was good. thank you
2886 [12:32:39] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: that also makes sense to me
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2888 [12:33:40] <goksin> Thank you
2889 [12:34:02] <pyrrhus> I think I understand the core idea and differences between the two but I more mean that I don't understand exactly how the linking takes place and works. For example, does the program need the dependency linked at compile time or run time?
2890 [12:34:12] <pyrrhus> I've been learning quite a lot about linux recently and it's mostly just been from tinkering and fudging around. What do you think would be a good way to learn the ins and outs of linux from the ground up? I would like to understand all the ins and outs. I was thinking to maybe find a book. Any recommendations?
2891 [12:34:43] <Ede|Popede> or: it's just our whole production is working for centuries already. i've one seen sth on tv explaining the way of a simple bottle of beer: the content, the glass, the paper.... may make hundreds of km until your local brewery's product reaches your home.
2892 [12:35:06] <ayekat> pyrrhus: if compiled for dynamic linking, the executable simply says "I need library XYZ when running" - when being started, the OS will then make sure to dynamically link library XYZ to the executable when launching it
2893 [12:35:16] <goksin> Get an real harware and tinker with it. readl all the books and documantation you can get. Always hand on imperative
2894 [12:35:18] <goksin> I have to log out and get back to my mundane daily life. See you all later. Bye for now
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2896 [12:35:33] <ayekat> pyrrhus: you can run `ldd {program}` to see all the dynamic libraries that a {program} would want - the OS is then responsible for filling the gaps
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2898 [12:35:48] <Ede|Popede> '"Sams teach yourself Linux in 24 hours", circa 1999' has been recommended yesterday, not sure if there's a newer edition
2899 [12:37:35] <Ede|Popede> basics are much the same, the more basic, the less they tend to change. think hardware: there's some new media each decade, same for new memory technology. but generally PCs still work more or less the same.
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2901 [12:38:45] <Ede|Popede> only we don't use lilo anymore. and now systemV init is waving goodbye.
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2904 [12:41:25] <pyrrhus> Ede|Popede: thank you for the recommendation, I will take a look
2905 [12:41:41] <Ede|Popede> pyrrhus, maybe replaced-url
2906 [12:41:59] <Ede|Popede> at least it's for buster, which is a big plus
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2908 [12:42:38] <Ede|Popede> i started myself with just the docs on the cd and then a generic linux book, iirc not even mentioning specific distros
2909 [12:43:11] <Ede|Popede> and then replaced-url
2910 [12:45:13] <Ede|Popede> the page could need some attention. the Rheinwerk book is on Stretch and and the Dutch one on Buster.
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2924 [13:06:12] <pyrrhus> thank you! I really should use the official documentation more
2925 [13:06:29] <pyrrhus> I am going to leave now but thank you everyone for your help
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3003 [14:36:45] <admin0> is it possible to execute script as a part of netplan ?
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3007 [14:38:27] <rapids> admin0, replaced-url
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3045 [15:14:31] <robamkhrictjan> What is generally considered as a genius IQ score ?
3046 [15:15:46] <dvs> 130
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3052 [15:23:14] * deeplogic uses the Wellington Liunx Distro {based on Debian}
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3056 [15:25:04] <deeplogic> Wellington is the oldest living penguin in captivity. Free Wellington !
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3059 [15:26:24] <deeplogic> is the word "Debian" a registered trade mark ?
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3061 [15:27:12] <ansimita> deeplogic: yes, replaced-url
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3063 [15:28:03] <deeplogic> yes, i just found that
3064 [15:28:05] <deeplogic> tnx
3065 [15:29:11] <ndim> Is there a place I can just "git clone" to find the debian/ sources for Debian packages?
3066 [15:31:56] <ndim> Or how can I find how packages build packages for Debian?
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3068 [15:32:20] <ndim> I have a Raspberry with Raspbian which I can use for basic things, but I really just wanted to check (in my role as upstream) what Debian packages make from my upstream release, preferably on my normal non-Debian system.
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3076 [15:43:52] <deeplogic> ndim: you can get the source packages with apt-get
3077 [15:44:14] <deeplogic> ndim: replaced-url
3078 [15:45:06] <deeplogic> long url's do provide more information
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3096 [16:01:46] <ndim> deeplogic: Doesn't that give me just the current source snapshot? I am looking for the commit history with comments to the /debian/ subdirectory.
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3098 [16:03:04] <n4dir> ndim: the changelog ain't sufficient?
3099 [16:03:30] <n4dir> that is: really the commit history
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3101 [16:07:09] <ndim> n4dir: debian/changelog is a summuary of the commit history. I cannot tell what actually changed in the other debian/ files to implement the changes summarized in the changelog.
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3103 [16:08:02] <deeplogic> n4dir: is there a patch log ?
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3106 [16:09:25] <ndim> Wait a minute... how does Debian build packages in the first place? Do package maintainers just upload basically a tarball to be built, and which they construct locally using git, svn, files or whatever method they want to use?
3107 [16:09:36] <n4dir> deeplogic: if you go to packages.debian.org; then to the package, it has a patch history, it seems
3108 [16:09:58] <deeplogic> marvelous
3109 [16:10:49] <ndim> I am coming from a distribution where the package source is in a public git repo, and that git repo is where packages are built from. Nobody says every distribution must use the same system architecture.
3110 [16:10:54] <n4dir> deeplogic: i seem to recall something with a git repo, but can't find it. Perhaps try #packaging (on oftc irc server, i assume)
3111 [16:11:20] <ndim> OK, thanks, will try over there.
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3114 [16:14:41] <n4dir> replaced-url
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3118 [16:16:13] <n4dir> ndim: ^^
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3123 [16:20:58] <deeplogic> n4dir: ndim: there's an interesting git repo for gnutils -> replaced-url
3124 [16:21:30] <deeplogic> there may be be other project git repos more specific to your needs
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3131 [16:26:23] <ndim> n4dir, deeplogic: replaced-url
3132 [16:27:36] <n4dir> glad you found it. Thanks for the info too (i will probably have forgotten it once i need it again, but you never know :-) ). :-)
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3140 [16:39:00] <ndim> n4dir: Oh. I just found that I had already noted the tracker.debian.org link a few years ago.
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3216 [17:44:04] <jelly> <ndim> Wait a minute... how does Debian build packages in the first place? Do package maintainers just upload basically a tarball to be built, and which they construct locally using git, svn, files or whatever method they want to use? # yes, you got it right :-)
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3219 [17:45:25] <jelly> up to and including "whatever method they want to use"
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3221 [17:46:45] <sney> it's nice when they do use salsa, because that makes it possible to find out "does this package have that patch" without having to actually consult the maintainer
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3223 [17:46:53] <jelly> except it's two tarballs and a signature these days
3224 [17:47:21] <teclo-> evening, I changed my DNS server in the GUI in Debian GNU/Linux 10.x
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3226 [17:47:28] <teclo-> but it doesn't seem to have any effecter
3227 [17:47:31] <teclo-> effect*
3228 [17:47:48] <teclo-> firefox-esr still goes to the wrong DNS server
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3230 [17:48:02] <teclo-> any idea of what I have done wrong or forgotten ?
3231 [17:48:18] <jelly> sney, you can look up the contents of debian/ over on sources.debian.org, regardless of whether salsa gitlab is used for source package maintenance or not
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3233 [17:49:12] <jelly> teclo-, what does /etc/resolv.conf say right now, and did you quit and start firefox after the change
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3235 [17:50:15] <teclo-> hi jelly thanks
3236 [17:50:41] <teclo-> a I just did invoke-rc.d networking restart and now /etc/resolv.conf has the appropriate vvalue :)
3237 [17:51:22] <teclo-> yeaah it works :)
3238 [17:51:27] <teclo-> thank you jelly
3239 [17:51:39] <sney> I always forget about sources.debian.org.
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3252 [17:55:11] <teclo-> yeah the trick was to /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
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3254 [17:55:18] <teclo-> after changing in the GUI
3255 [17:55:33] <teclo-> (or perhaps is there a more elegant solution, I don't know :) )
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3296 [18:27:50] <archetech> I got 2 mesa's installed
3297 [18:27:50] <archetech> <archetech> lol any apt gurus here to remove the origianl and leave the experimental one?
3298 [18:27:50] <archetech> <archetech> got 20.2 and 20.3
3299 [18:28:09] <archetech> on debian arm bullseye
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3303 [18:32:02] <sney> !debian-next
3304 [18:32:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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3308 [18:34:00] <archetech> ok
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3310 [18:34:25] <jelly> they're going to ask you to
3311 [18:34:26] <jelly> !bat
3312 [18:34:26] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3313 [18:34:33] <wwilliam> how to resolve this?
3314 [18:34:34] <wwilliam> 20201221-12:16:44] [ERROR] X server for display 23 startup timeout
3315 [18:34:46] <wwilliam> [20201221-12:16:44] [ERROR] another Xserver might already be active on display 23 - see log
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3317 [18:34:59] <wwilliam> how to kill whatever is on display23?
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3506 [20:31:12] <jhutchins> wwilliam: Start bym lookingat the log
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3551 [21:21:00] <asterismo> hi
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3554 [21:21:41] <dvs> lo
3555 [21:21:43] <asterismo> well, i installed debian 8 and 9 in a spare HDD and tried suspend/resume, and it does not work in all of them
3556 [21:22:08] <asterismo> so, debian 7 is the latest version in which suspend/resume is supported in my system
3557 [21:22:59] <towo`> buy a ssd, then you don't need than nonsense
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3559 [21:23:49] <dvs> and Debian 8 is when systemd took hold. Hmmmm...
3560 [21:23:51] <sney> some intel 8xx support thing was lost between linux 3.2 and 4.9, it sounds like (which isn't too shocking)
3561 [21:25:21] <greycat> jessie was linux 3.16 IIRC
3562 [21:25:46] <sney> replaced-url
3563 [21:25:57] <sney> oh, jessie. yes, well
3564 [21:26:33] <sney> judd steered me wrong. :<
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3573 [21:32:33] <oxek> asterismo: fwiw suspend/resume never worked for me on any linux system, except high-end workdstations certified to run linux
3574 [21:33:06] <oxek> it's ancient magic that is unlikely to ever work properly on non-windows systems
3575 [21:33:20] <asterismo> this is a Dell Precision 530 workstation that is certified for RedHat i think
3576 [21:33:25] <dvs> oxek: it works on both my desktop and laptop
3577 [21:33:37] <asterismo> but suspend/resume worked out of the box in Debian 7
3578 [21:33:51] <oxek> asterismo: then it should work. Have you tried debian10, perhaps with kernel 5.10 from backports?
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3580 [21:34:18] <asterismo> i tried kernel 5.9 and it does not work either
3581 [21:34:19] <oxek> dvs: it's random, it works for some, it doesn't for others. I'm one of the unlucky one.
3582 [21:34:47] <oxek> asterismo: is that the version with nvidia graphics?
3583 [21:35:42] <asterismo> the workstation?
3584 [21:35:45] <oxek> yes
3585 [21:36:01] <asterismo> it has no video, i use a nVidia Riva TNT2 of 32MB
3586 [21:36:14] <asterismo> very old, but it works pretty fine
3587 [21:36:43] <asterismo> can i install kernel 3.2 from wheezy in debian 10?
3588 [21:36:48] <oxek> I'm not familiar with how things are nowadays regarding drivers & such old cards, sorry.
3589 [21:36:51] <asterismo> so it is the kernel?
3590 [21:36:58] <oxek> yes
3591 [21:37:05] <oxek> unless you got the drivers from elsewhere
3592 [21:37:46] <oxek> if nouveuaux (I can't spell it) is being used, then suspend won't work. If proprietary nvidia drivers are used, then suspend won't work either.
3593 [21:37:51] <oxek> that's my experience
3594 [21:38:11] <sney> chances are good that linux power management drivers "upgraded" in ~2013 and that dropped support for whatever motherboard is in that thing
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3597 [21:38:52] <sney> suspend support was always kind of wonky in those days anyway, and particularly on non-laptop hardware
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3603 [21:40:34] <oxek> sney: is new hardware (lets say from 2019+) any better? I thought it's still terrible because hardware vendors don't care about linux, and suspend/resume is not a standards-based thing.
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3607 [21:41:23] <sney> oxek: every post-2012 laptop I've had has supported suspend in linux without complaint. I haven't tested it much on desktops.
3608 [21:41:36] <oxek> asterismo: it's very unlikely you'd be able to install kernel 3.2 in modern debian
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3611 [21:42:23] <sney> asterismo's machine was made in 2001, and they were still figuring out the kinks in acpi at that point. I still kinda suspect that if you tried a kernel with bios APM support, it might work better
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3613 [21:42:45] <sney> but bios apm support is also something that's been gone by default for 10+ years
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3620 [21:47:06] <asterismo> i remember some apm setting in grub line
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3622 [21:47:26] <asterismo> the BIOS says it supports suspend mode S1 or S3
3623 [21:47:50] <sney> S1 and S3 are acpi states, and you can't have both acpi and apm enabled at the same time. it's either/or
3624 [21:48:36] <sney> and debian's kernels don't have apm support enabled by default anymore; the CONFIG_APM stuff is still in kernel.org's Kconfig, so it might be possible to build a custom kernel with it enabled
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3628 [21:51:08] <sney> and yep, the driver is still in upstream linux. so it should be buildable, if not usable. replaced-url
3629 [21:51:52] <mrkramps> asterismo, have you tested suspending in S1 mode?
3630 [21:51:55] <asterismo> sney, could i try adding in grub acpi=off apm=on something along those lines?
3631 [21:52:11] <asterismo> S1 does not work either in newer debian
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3633 [21:52:24] <sney> asterismo: again, the apm driver is *not* in modern debian kernels. adding a grub option does not magically change that.
3634 [21:52:32] <asterismo> replaced-url
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3636 [21:52:39] <asterismo> ok
3637 [21:52:50] <asterismo> i'll try building a custom kernel then
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3641 [21:54:05] <mrkramps> i'd probably start with the acpi_sleep kernel parameter, testingg with s3_bios and s3_mode
3642 [21:54:19] <asterismo> sney, but you think i could try to install kernel 3.2 for testing?
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3647 [21:54:36] <mrkramps> because i still understand asterismo' problem to be about the display not waking up
3648 [21:54:39] <asterismo> mrkramps, i tried that and didn't worked
3649 [21:54:55] <sney> asterismo: see replaced-url
3650 [21:55:04] <asterismo> i also disabled nouveau driver and did not worked
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3652 [21:55:11] <asterismo> nomodeset
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3654 [21:55:35] <asterismo> sney, thanks
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3656 [21:55:53] <asterismo> hey, this box is a true beauty from 2002's
3657 [21:55:57] <mrkramps> asterismo, you already confirmed it's only display? so, the machine would be remotely available?
3658 [21:56:00] <asterismo> 2GB of RAMBUS
3659 [21:56:14] <asterismo> mrkramps, no, i cannot ssh to it
3660 [21:56:19] <asterismo> it freezes
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3662 [21:56:33] <mrkramps> ok, than it's of course not just graphics
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3664 [21:58:29] <asterismo> the only difference with and without nouveau enabled, is that with nouveau i can see a distarted desktop image when it freezes, and without it, it just freezes with the blank screen
3665 [21:58:48] <sney> which is probably just framebuffer stuff and not really related to the suspend issue
3666 [21:59:04] <mrkramps> ok, but the real point is it is freezing even for ssh
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3669 [22:01:19] <sney> the real point is that nobody should be shocked that acpi suspend is broken on a workstation with a chipset that came out a year before acpi 2.0 was published
3670 [22:01:49] <sney> and a 2010s attitude of "yeah just use the backport kernel and install firmware" is only appropriate for 2010s hardware. :P
3671 [22:02:33] <mrkramps> sney, absolutely true, but for me - already having spend some hours with him - the matter of ssh was still an open question
3672 [22:02:34] <sney> (even Dell wouldn't use draft acpi on a *workstation*, even if it snuck into some contemporary desktops)
3673 [22:02:38] <asterismo> sney, but it worked out of the box in Debian 7
3674 [22:02:51] <asterismo> Debian 7 is 2013-2015?
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3676 [22:03:12] <HelloShitty> Hello. I created a sparse file with 'dd' command and then, formatted it as a 'btrfs' filesystem. After formatting I mounted it on a folder inside /media. But when I try 'ERROR: not a valid btrfs filesystem: /media/btrfs', I get an error saying that this is not a btrfs filesystem. Any reason for this error?
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3678 [22:03:37] <sney> asterismo: debian is pretty good about supporting legacy hardware, but that doesn't make the hardware not legacy. eventually you have to do extra work to keep it all running
3679 [22:03:39] <HelloShitty> ups, screwed up message
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3681 [22:04:20] <mrkramps> sney, is there a simple way to test if kernel was build with APM support?
3682 [22:04:27] <mrkramps> in general
3683 [22:04:46] <HelloShitty> Hello. I created a sparse file with 'dd' command and then, formatted it as a 'btrfs' filesystem. After formatting I mounted it on a folder inside /media. But when I try to run 'btrfs filesystem show /media/btrfs', I get an error saying 'ERROR: not a valid btrfs filesystem: /media/btrfs'. Any reason for this error?
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3685 [22:05:04] <petn-randall> mrkramps: probably by checking the config it was compiled with in /boot/config-*.
3686 [22:05:08] <sney> mrkramps: broadly, 'grep APM /boot/config-$(uname -r)
3687 [22:05:30] <asterismo> sney, yeah, i know. It's just that usually working things, dont stop working because of software... over time
3688 [22:05:35] <mrkramps> sney, thanks!
3689 [22:05:43] <asterismo> maybe they do, more often that i can imagine
3690 [22:05:47] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Did mounting it succeed?
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3693 [22:06:15] <asterismo> CONFIG_X86_APM_BOOT=y
3694 [22:06:15] <asterismo> CONFIG_APM=m
3695 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set
3696 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set
3697 [22:06:15] <asterismo> # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
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3699 [22:06:16] <sney> asterismo: they totally do, but usually it's hardware that is no longer common, so few people notice.
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3701 [22:06:28] <sney> asterismo: they totally do, but usually it's hardware that is no longer common, so few people notice.
3702 [22:06:38] <sney> which kernel was that? and don't paste to the channel
3703 [22:06:43] <asterismo> sorry, wrong paste
3704 [22:06:56] <asterismo> replaced-url
3705 [22:07:09] <wwilliam> jhutchins: that is the relevant info in the log.
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3707 [22:07:40] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: it did. I mounted using 'sudo mount -t btrfs volume.fs /media/btrfs'
3708 [22:07:57] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Can you share the output of `mount`?
3709 [22:07:57] <sney> asterismo: what kernel is that? your paste doesn't say the version. wheezy?
3710 [22:08:03] <HelloShitty> I already tried to copy a file inside the mount point and it also copied ok
3711 [22:08:18] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: ok
3712 [22:09:15] <asterismo> 4.19.0-13-686-pae
3713 [22:09:17] <asterismo> debian 10
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3715 [22:09:44] <sney> ohhh maybe it's disabled on amd64
3716 [22:09:52] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: this is the line from 'mount' where you can see it mounted: /home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs on /media/btrfs type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache,subvolid=5,subvol=/)
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3722 [22:12:34] <sney> ,v apmd
3723 [22:12:35] <judd> Package: apmd on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.2-15; stretch: 3.2.2-15+b2
3724 [22:13:12] <asterismo> so? i could try ocpi=off apm=on on grub?
3725 [22:13:29] <asterismo> does my kernel have this?
3726 [22:13:31] <sney> if those are the right arguments for those modules, maybe, but you'll still need userland support
3727 [22:13:49] <sney> apmd of course is gone since jessie
3728 [22:13:59] <greycat> since stretch, it says
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3730 [22:14:25] <sney> it does say that. why am I reading everything backwards today? anyway
3731 [22:16:07] <sney> and of course #891698
3732 [22:16:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3733 [22:16:29] <mrkramps> noice
3734 [22:17:01] <mrkramps> literal suicide
3735 [22:17:54] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Have you tried passing the path of the file instead?
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3746 [22:26:10] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: how come? Pass the absolute path to the mount command?
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3749 [22:27:03] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: `btrfs filesystem show /home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs`
3750 [22:27:12] <HelloShitty> ah, no
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3752 [22:27:17] <HelloShitty> will do that
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3755 [22:29:04] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: result is the same
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3757 [22:29:16] <HelloShitty> $ btrfs filesystem show /home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs
3758 [22:29:18] <HelloShitty> ERROR: not a valid btrfs filesystem: /home/psysc0rpi0n/Documents/encryption/volume.fs
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3760 [22:29:41] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: also:
3761 [22:29:43] <HelloShitty> $ file volume.fs
3762 [22:29:46] <HelloShitty> volume.fs: BTRFS Filesystem sectorsize 4096, nodesize 16384, leafsize 16384, UUID=f963c2a1-6247-40bf-8716-c5d50cc07e6f, 131072/268435456 bytes used, 1 devices
3763 [22:30:14] <HelloShitty> It recognizes the filesystem but somehow, btrfs doesn't like it
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3766 [22:30:38] <HelloShitty> Anyways, don't bother. I'm going to use LUKS to encrypt this file
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3768 [22:31:06] <HelloShitty> I was thinking I could have a Luks formated volume but use a btrfs filesystem
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3773 [22:31:35] <HelloShitty> but luks has it's own supported filesystems, luks, luks2 and a compatibility mode aes-loop or something like that
3774 [22:31:40] <HelloShitty> accoring to luks man pages
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3776 [22:31:49] <HelloShitty> s/accoring/according
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3791 [22:34:32] <petn-randall> luks? LUKS knows nothing about filesystems, it takes an encrypted block device on one end and offers an unencrypted one on the other end. You can put whatever filesystem on it that you want.
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3796 [22:38:32] <HelloShitty> yes
3797 [22:38:36] <HelloShitty> nevermind what I just said
3798 [22:38:41] <HelloShitty> I'm still reading about
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3800 [22:39:15] <HelloShitty> I'll format the volume after I have created the encrypted volume
3801 [22:39:57] <HelloShitty> What kind of keys can I use as a password to created the encrypted volume?
3802 [22:40:06] <HelloShitty> Can they be GPG encryption keys?
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3811 [22:49:49] <Fromhell> hallo
3812 [22:50:13] <sney> hi
3813 [22:50:26] <KNERD> high
3814 [22:50:57] <dvs> huh?
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3817 [22:54:24] <Fromhell> can some one help
3818 [22:54:33] <mrkramps> ask a question :)
3819 [22:54:34] <Fromhell> replaced-url
3820 [22:55:09] <sney> check your clock
3821 [22:55:28] <Fromhell> sney ?
3822 [22:55:50] <sney> a computer clock that is inaccurate can completely break pki/ssl
3823 [22:56:14] <Fromhell> 23:55:49 up 212 days, 7:37, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.09
3824 [22:56:18] <Fromhell> it okey
3825 [22:56:51] <greycat> that doesn't show the *day*
3826 [22:57:11] <Fromhell> greycat where to check ?
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3828 [22:57:22] <sney> also make sure you have debian-archive-keyring installed and current
3829 [22:57:45] <Fromhell> sney what i must do ?
3830 [22:57:52] <Fromhell> i am not super user
3831 [22:58:05] <greycat> just run 'date'
3832 [22:58:14] <sney> 'apt policy debian-archive-keyring' will show you the package and its version
3833 [22:58:19] <Fromhell> Mon 21 Dec 2020 11:58:11 PM EET
3834 [22:58:23] <Fromhell> thats good
3835 [22:58:34] <dvs> EET?
3836 [22:58:38] <mrkramps> Fromhell, have you retried apt update?
3837 [22:58:44] <Fromhell> EET estonia
3838 [22:58:55] <mrkramps> maybe the mirror is updating?
3839 [22:59:01] <Fromhell> mrkramps yes same problem
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3842 [23:02:03] <oxek> Fromhell: paste contents of 'ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/'
3843 [23:02:58] <Fromhell> oxek there is no files
3844 [23:03:36] <sney> so again, debian-archive-keyring.
3845 [23:03:50] <oxek> Fromhell: that's the problem then
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3847 [23:04:11] <Fromhell> oxek what must i do ?
3848 [23:04:18] <oxek> sney: is it even possible to install that package if you don't already have the keys?
3849 [23:04:24] <sney> sure, packages.debian.org
3850 [23:04:40] <sney> there is an apt option to skip the check, but I don't remember it offhand
3851 [23:04:53] <sney> --no-verify-something
3852 [23:05:01] <oxek> Fromhell: try 'apt install debian-archive-keyring' and if that does not work, then one moment and I'll find what you need to download
3853 [23:05:33] <Fromhell> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
3854 [23:06:02] <dvs> your sources.list correct?
3855 [23:06:28] <jmcnaught> It is possible that the debian-archive-keyring package is installed and something/someone deleted the files from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ but there should also be duplicates in /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive*
3856 [23:06:35] <oxek> Fromhell: assuming you're on debian 10 (buster), then download this replaced-url
3857 [23:06:45] <oxek> and then install it
3858 [23:07:05] <dvs> with dpkg -i
3859 [23:07:09] <Fromhell> dvs dvs
3860 [23:07:10] <Fromhell> replaced-url
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3871 [23:08:50] <Fromhell> oxek , make dpkd same problem
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3874 [23:10:16] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: I tried to export my GPG key to give it as the key-file for LUKS to encrypt the volume, but when I try to open the volume, it doesn't accept the password. Does this means I can't use a GPG key as the encryption password to LUKS?
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3876 [23:10:53] <oxek> Fromhell: paste the command you ran and the output
3877 [23:11:08] <HelloShitty> I exported my GPG key using 'gpg2 --output pub-key.asc --armor --export KeyID-here'
3878 [23:11:48] <Fromhell> oxek
3879 [23:11:48] <Fromhell> replaced-url
3880 [23:12:46] <oxek> Fromhell: is there anything in 'ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/' now?
3881 [23:12:58] <jmcnaught> The files in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ are conffiles so you need to run "dpkg --force-confmiss -i debian-archive-keyring_2019.1_all.deb" to replace those files.
3882 [23:13:02] <Fromhell> no
3883 [23:13:08] <Fromhell> oxek empty
3884 [23:13:25] <oxek> then you need that dpkg reconfigure jmcnaught pasted
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3886 [23:13:57] <Fromhell> oxek how can i do that >
3887 [23:13:58] <Fromhell> ?
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3892 [23:14:18] <oxek> dpkg --force-confmiss -i debian-archive-keyring_2019.1_all.deb
3893 [23:14:18] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, oxek
3894 [23:14:25] <oxek> dpkg: shut up
3895 [23:14:25] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
3896 [23:15:31] <Fromhell> oxek , okey then try apt update >
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3898 [23:17:21] <Fromhell> oxek
3899 [23:17:22] <Fromhell> replaced-url
3900 [23:17:22] <oxek> yes, now try apt update
3901 [23:17:26] <Fromhell> now its, good
3902 [23:17:27] <Fromhell> ?
3903 [23:17:36] <oxek> sounds like it, yes
3904 [23:17:48] <Fromhell> oxek, thanks , one more question
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3906 [23:18:19] <Fromhell> Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) can update kernel whith out restart ?
3907 [23:18:29] <oxek> 'replaced-url
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3909 [23:18:46] <Fromhell> oxek yes i make it
3910 [23:18:56] <mrkramps> Fromhell, no … kernel upgrades still need a restart
3911 [23:19:20] <Fromhell> Debian 4.19.118-2 (2020-04-29) need i update it ? or it,s good ?
3912 [23:19:44] <oxek> if an upgrade is offered, then you probably should upgrade
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3914 [23:20:11] <Fromhell> oxek, how can i offer it ?
3915 [23:20:30] <Fromhell> i install debian 7 month ago
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3918 [23:23:36] <mrkramps> Fromhell, running 'apt update && apt full-upgrade' should keep your system uptodate
3919 [23:23:47] <Fromhell> ah okey
3920 [23:24:01] <Fromhell> mrkramps , have you aver problem whith owncloud ?
3921 [23:24:14] <mrkramps> Fromhell, never used it
3922 [23:24:31] <mrkramps> just experimented a bit with nextcloud
3923 [23:24:35] <Fromhell> it shows my php v3.4.0, need older
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3930 [23:25:32] <Fromhell> mrkramps , have ther some to install nextcloud step by step
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3936 [23:27:26] <mrkramps> Fromhell, i used the official documentation replaced-url
3937 [23:27:43] <Fromhell> thanks
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3939 [23:28:18] <mrkramps> Fromhell, maybe using a docker image might be easier than manual installation
3940 [23:28:41] <Fromhell> mrkramps , no thanks
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3942 [23:28:47] <Fromhell> i never use it
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3944 [23:29:54] <jhutchins> !webmin
3945 [23:29:55] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
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3947 [23:30:03] <Fromhell> mrkramps , it show me this problem whith kernel
3948 [23:30:04] <Fromhell> replaced-url
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3950 [23:30:36] <mrkramps> Fromhell, so you tried restarting?
3951 [23:30:37] <sney> Fromhell: try reading what it says. "you should consider rebooting"
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3954 [23:30:58] <Fromhell> mrkramps i need to restart ?
3955 [23:31:01] <mrkramps> yes
3956 [23:31:32] <jhutchins> Fromhell: That is exactly what the message says.
3957 [23:31:41] <Fromhell> ok will restart now
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3964 [23:37:14] <Fromhell> how to OFF grafic , from console ?
3965 [23:37:56] <sney> 'systemctl display-manager stop' should do it
3966 [23:38:07] <Mister00X> init 3 ?
3967 [23:38:11] <sney> er, reverse that. systemctl stop display-manager.
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3969 [23:40:06] <Fromhell> okey i reboot
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3974 [23:42:12] <P1gassu> so if while doing apt-get upgrade to 10.7 I see no space left on device, how to I delete old kernels or so
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3976 [23:42:43] <P1gassu> /boot is 100%
3977 [23:42:44] <sney> 'apt autoremove' will usually get them, unless you have any that were not packaged, in which case manually delete from /boot
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3980 [23:43:37] <sney> 'uname -r' will tell you the version of the running kernel. anything with a different version is safe to remove, via apt or otherwise
3981 [23:43:49] <P1gassu> hmm apt autoremove tried but failed
3982 [23:44:25] <P1gassu> yeah its 4.19.0-12-amd64
3983 [23:45:07] <Fromhell> jhutchins , Physical Memory how to make it lowe ?swap i know how
3984 [23:45:36] <P1gassu> hmm, so just apt remove linux-image-foo ?
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3986 [23:47:21] <P1gassu> and linux-headers-foo
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3989 [23:50:00] <Fromhell> P1gassu you for mee ?
3990 [23:50:11] <dob1> I don't understand I have a dir, I do ls -la from parent dir I see "dr--r--r-- 2 myuser myuser 1024 etc etc mydir"
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3992 [23:50:46] <oxek> P1gassu: I had the exact same problem
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3994 [23:50:54] <dob1> ls -la mydir Permission denied and d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .
3995 [23:51:02] <dob1> what does this mean?
3996 [23:51:08] <oxek> I'm weirdly happy that more people are running into the small default /boot
3997 [23:51:16] <jmcnaught> dob1: you need the execute permission to enter a directory
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3999 [23:52:01] <dob1> jmcnaught, damn right...
4000 [23:52:02] <dob1> thanks
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4003 [23:52:39] <P1gassu> i'm just used to removing debian kernels, don't want to break it
4004 [23:53:00] <P1gassu> seems i've a backlog though
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4008 [23:54:41] <P1gassu> Fromhell, you want to swapon or something?
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4010 [23:55:25] <Fromhell> P1gassu, otal: 79% (Kernel + applications: 57% - Cached: 18% - Buffers: 4%) of psyhical memory
4011 [23:56:59] <P1gassu> Fromhell, how much RAM do you have
4012 [23:57:30] <Fromhell> 381.83 MiB 1.46 GiB 1.83 GiB
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