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1 [00:01:36] <sway> mutante, It error'd for sure but on 3rd attempt (of exactly the same command) - it started. I tried adding more verbosity to see what was going on but nothing obvious got written out.
2 [00:03:03] <sway> Question - if I install rsync, is rsync-server a dependancy that gets installed at the same time ?
3 [00:03:45] <sney> nope, but openssh-server/client are both suggests
4 [00:04:19] <sway> OK - thank you again.
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6 [00:04:33] <sney> or, hang on, the package description for rsync says "This package provides both the rsync command line tool and optional daemon functionality."
7 [00:04:46] <sney> I guess they must be one binary, usually debian splits packages like that
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9 [00:06:06] <sway> Do I read that as "dependancies are brought in" ?
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11 [00:07:05] <sney> sway: see 'apt show rsync', there is only 1 rsync package. both client and server rsync components are in the 1 rsync package.
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13 [00:07:37] <mutante> yes, it's one binary. a server looks like this: /usr/bin/rsync --daemon --no-detach
14 [00:08:00] <mutante> but that doesn't mean it automatically starts one
15 [00:08:29] <mutante> check if you have an /etc/rsyncd.conf
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17 [00:09:02] <sney> and unless you're using rsync:// in your URIs when running the client, it's transferring over ssh
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20 [00:09:43] <sway> mutante, no - rsyncd.conf is not there.
21 [00:10:40] <mutante> yea, so no running server then
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23 [00:11:23] <mutante> you can use rsync over SSH or over rsync::// itself directly. both is an option
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26 [00:12:24] <sway> Over ssh is fine. Its all local to a layer 2 lan.
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61 [00:42:35] <wondiws> where do I put custom syntax highlighting files for GtkSourceView?
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66 [00:47:17] <coin21> friends of the powerful debian system, how can i install icedove, i did an aptitude search and it has many auxiliary packages for icedove but as it seams not icedove itself, i only have the 100% free repos enabled... maybe it's that?
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69 [00:48:01] <coin21> I did try to just install thunderbird ontop but it didn't work off of the icedove profiles and configs etc
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72 [00:48:18] <sney> coin21: icedove was renamed back to thunderbird in 2016.
73 [00:48:38] <coin21> i have rread that,it is called debranding or something?
74 [00:48:39] <sney> even if icedove was still installable, 4 years' lag would require some config migration
75 [00:49:06] <sney> debian had to rename the mozilla apps for a few years because of a licensing conflict. it was resolved, and now everything is back to mozilla's names.
76 [00:49:09] <coin21> sney so basically the route would be to install thunderbird and then manually import the profiles if that is possible
77 [00:49:14] <sney> yep
78 [00:49:31] <coin21> sney thank you for this valuable information
79 [00:49:36] <sney> np.
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196 [03:01:47] <mojow> hello. is there a debian config help channel?
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198 [03:03:19] <mojow> if i can post support request here. i just upgraded to debian10 and can't access as root with ftp client
199 [03:03:20] <mutante> !ask
200 [03:03:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
201 [03:03:51] <mojow> i could enable root login in ssh but not sftp
202 [03:04:29] <mojow> before you tell me, i know remote root access bad but I don't mind, i don't run a business
203 [03:04:48] <mutante> mojow: Well.. not really recommended to use root in the first place, but the shorter answer I would give is "just use scp"
204 [03:04:57] <mutante> because if sshd runs that's all you need
205 [03:05:13] <mojow> scp?
206 [03:05:21] <mojow> please elaborate
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208 [03:05:56] <mutante> replaced-url
209 [03:06:04] <mojow> oh that's an alternate transfer client?
210 [03:06:17] <mojow> no thanks, I use sftp
211 [03:06:27] <mutante> mojow: if ssh works already, you can already do this: "scp file user@host:/somewhere/"
212 [03:06:33] <mojow> my client is filezilla, does not support scp
213 [03:06:37] <mutante> without having to setup another daemon
214 [03:06:39] <mojow> just sftp please
215 [03:06:53] <mutante> the point is that you already have a running and working daemon
216 [03:07:03] <mutante> and setting up another one is kind of pointless extra work
217 [03:07:14] <mojow> i just need it
218 [03:07:19] <mutante> there are GUI clients for SCP as well
219 [03:07:25] <mutante> they look _exactly_ like an FTP client
220 [03:07:32] <mutante> left side is one computer, right side the other computer
221 [03:07:33] <mutante> you move files
222 [03:07:43] <mojow> filezilla has a nice and convenient interface so it's not pointless
223 [03:08:06] <mojow> please i don't want to use another client
224 [03:08:20] <mutante> replaced-url
225 [03:08:27] <mutante> you can use filezilla regardless
226 [03:08:33] <mojow> how do i fix my root access problem with sftp please? I can access as debian but not as root
227 [03:08:59] <mojow> on ssh i can login as root
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230 [03:09:19] <mojow> but not on sftp
231 [03:09:30] <mojow> would appreciate help with that point
232 [03:09:53] <mutante> I don't know the answer, it's probably disabled for security reasons because that's a bad idea.
233 [03:09:58] <mojow> i edited nano /etc/ftpusers
234 [03:10:03] <mojow> commented out root
235 [03:10:11] <mojow> but still can't login as root
236 [03:10:39] <mojow> do i need to restart something?
237 [03:11:28] <mojow> root@host:~# service sftp restart
238 [03:11:28] <mojow> Failed to restart sftp.service: Unit sftp.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
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240 [03:11:48] <mojow> what's the name of the sftp service?
241 [03:12:05] <mutante> mojow: maybe this is helpful replaced-url
242 [03:12:54] <mutante> mojow: look for the "Subsystem sftp " line in sshd config too.. it is mentioned in the link
243 [03:13:23] <mutante> seems like it might be "sftpusers" where you did "ftpusers"
244 [03:14:11] <mojow> no such file in /etc/
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246 [03:15:08] <mutante> which file?
247 [03:15:14] <mojow> sftpusers
248 [03:16:35] <mutante> I don't think anyone claimed that would be a file in /etc/ ,it's the name of a group used in useradd command to add users to it and the the group itself would be in /etc/group or so
249 [03:17:01] <mutante> try to follow that tutorial above. basically my first comments about scp were to try and save you from having to worry about this part
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251 [03:17:59] <mojow> i don't know what that chroot even is
252 [03:18:21] <mojow> not going to follow that tutorial that may be completely unrelated
253 [03:18:23] <mutante> mojow: what do you actually want to achieve .. after you connect as root?
254 [03:19:01] <mutante> mojow: well the second step is about how to add users to the sftpusers group, seemed relevant .. but maybe not
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256 [03:19:21] <mojow> problem is super simple. i can't login as root with ftp client, it fails with fatal error
257 [03:20:03] <mutante> don't you think it could be likely "root isn't in some special group of users allowed to sftp"?
258 [03:20:59] <mojow> how can i check that?
259 [03:21:46] <mojow> i would expect root to be able to access anything
260 [03:21:48] <mutante> mojow: the "id" command tells you which groups a user is in
261 [03:22:05] <mutante> the other thing was about the sshd_config line I mentioned earlier
262 [03:22:06] <mojow> so "id root" ?
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264 [03:22:49] <mutante> sure. and then maybe "id someotheruser"
265 [03:22:51] <mojow> i checked sshd_config it says PermitRootLogin yes
266 [03:22:55] <mutante> the one where sftp works for you
267 [03:23:50] <mutante> that is about ssh/scp
268 [03:23:57] <mojow> sftp works with user debian
269 [03:24:06] <mojow> root@host:~# id debian
270 [03:24:06] <mojow> id: debian: no such user
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272 [03:24:10] <mutante> is the debian user in some "sftp_users" group ?
273 [03:24:33] <mojow> now explain that
274 [03:24:40] <mutante> yea, I also have no user called debian on my debian system
275 [03:25:20] <mojow> *sigh*
276 [03:25:36] <mojow> mutante, no offense but are you a newbie like me?
277 [03:25:37] <mutante> dunno, so far we talked about step 1 and 2 in the tutorial and now step 3 and 4
278 [03:25:43] <mutante> but you thought it was unrelated
279 [03:25:53] <mutante> no, mojow, you should actually try reading the whole thing
280 [03:26:06] <mutante> it was pretty related to all we just talked about
281 [03:26:13] <mutante> and it explains how to setup sftp on debian 10
282 [03:26:18] <mojow> I stopped at chroot
283 [03:26:22] <mutante> dunno... thats what i got for you
284 [03:26:32] <mojow> i don't know what chroot is, so i don't follow tutorial
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287 [03:26:56] <mojow> chroot may be a completely different thing
288 [03:27:24] <sney> sftp/scp are part of ssh. so to restart the "sftp service", it's just systemctl restart ssh.
289 [03:27:25] <sponix> mutante: for me, there is next to no setup required for sftp. I just apt install openssh-server edit sshd_config to change the default port - start it up, and off I go
290 [03:27:29] <mojow> so not going to make change to system that I don't understand fully
291 [03:27:50] <sponix> sney: I think they are trying to make this more complicated than it should be :P
292 [03:27:54] <mutante> sponix: sure, but he did not want to read about the part that explains what to edit in the sshd_config
293 [03:28:16] <sponix> hmm
294 [03:28:43] <mutante> he also did not want to just use the protocol that already works
295 [03:28:47] <mutante> nor another user
296 [03:28:52] <sponix> mojow: root for ssh / sftp is just a bad idea
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298 [03:28:59] <sney> depending on the situation
299 [03:29:02] <mojow> sney > systemctl restart ssh did not help, still can not login as root to sftp
300 [03:29:15] <sponix> lol
301 [03:29:22] <mutante> nor did I want to get into the "it's bad idea" nor did I get an answer what we are actually trying to fix
302 [03:29:29] <mutante> so that's that
303 [03:29:38] <sponix> it is a bad idea ;)
304 [03:29:43] <sney> chroot likely doesn't have anything to do with anything, anyway
305 [03:29:54] <mojow> <sponix> please read above
306 [03:30:01] <sponix> BUT, its your system. Do as you like
307 [03:30:06] <mojow> mojow> before you tell me, i know remote root access bad but I don't mind, i don't run a business
308 [03:30:12] <mutante> yea, it doesnt have to , still that link explains the sshd_config, how to add users to groups AND how to test SFTP
309 [03:30:25] <sponix> mojow: you think text above is going to change my mind on root sftp being a bad idea ? I have my doubts :P
310 [03:30:56] <mojow> no problem i respect your opinions
311 [03:31:07] <mojow> i just want to sot my problem right now
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313 [03:31:22] <mojow> what stops me from login as root to sftp
314 [03:31:27] <sney> ssh/scp with root is fine as long as it's key-auth only and the relevant firewall keeps the botnets out.
315 [03:31:39] <sney> nothing should, if PermitRootLogin is enabled
316 [03:31:39] <mojow> i commented out root in /etc/ftpusers so what else
317 [03:31:51] <sney> ftp is not sftp. make sure you are not confusing them.
318 [03:32:00] <mutante> yea, he could already start WinSCP and scp as root@ right now
319 [03:32:20] <mojow> *how do i enable root in sftp?
320 [03:32:32] <mojow> i googled it, found nothint
321 [03:32:36] <mojow> nothing*
322 [03:33:17] <mojow> in debian 8 i could sftp as root
323 [03:33:21] <sney> mojow: edit sshd_config and enable PermitRootLogin. the best way is with ssh keys, there are a lot of docs online for this, but in the meantime you can set it to 'yes'
324 [03:34:03] <sney> sftp and scp are 2 different ways to transfer data over a ssh tunnel. if one works, the other will too.
325 [03:34:18] <mojow> in sshd_config i see PermitRootLogin yes
326 [03:34:18] <mojow> under # Authentication:
327 [03:34:27] <mutante> he already checked PermitRootLogin though. the issue is probably confusion ftp vs sftp
328 [03:34:27] <mojow> so what else
329 [03:34:28] <sney> and neither one is FTP (port 21).
330 [03:34:54] <sney> if you're using filezilla or something like that, you will *need* to specify sftp:// or port 22, or else it will default to ftp and fail.
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333 [03:35:35] <mojow> my filezilla config works in debian 8
334 [03:35:50] <mutante> yes, filezilla, man, i even pasted the "how to use filezilla" tutorial
335 [03:35:50] <mojow> only changed the ip to new server with debian 10
336 [03:36:00] <sney> you're new, so I'll cut you some slack, but "it worked before" is about the most useless thing you can say in a support channel
337 [03:36:13] <mojow> ok listen man
338 [03:36:20] <sney> we didn't see your old system, we don't know whatever context you're working from.
339 [03:36:20] <mojow> i 'm no noob
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341 [03:36:24] <mojow> i know what i do
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343 [03:36:40] <sney> ok, mazel tov, I'll go watch star trek instead of worrying about this
344 [03:36:42] <mojow> still can't access as root in debian 10
345 [03:36:48] <sponix> mojow: back in Debian 8 root was permitted to login via ssh in the default config also :)
346 [03:37:10] <mutante> just like defining the problem as "very simple" for others when at the same time they spend their free time to help you with the somehow not so simple question
347 [03:37:20] <sponix> mojow: you do in fact have the protocol set to "SFTP" within Filezilla for the connection ?
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350 [03:37:23] <mojow> yeah but that still doesn't tell me how to fix my problem
351 [03:37:37] <mojow> of course
352 [03:37:47] * sponix goes to attempt this
353 [03:37:56] <sney> mutante: like the kids who join #debian-next and wax grandiose about "I've been using sid every day for 10 years!" before demanding asap help for something fundamental
354 [03:38:09] <mutante> how about checking some logs on the server while trying to connect and see if it gives you some more details about root being denied?
355 [03:38:10] <mojow> you want a screenshot proof or something?
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358 [03:38:58] <mojow> FATAL ERROR: Received unexpected end-of-file from SFTP server
359 [03:39:22] <mojow> only happens as root, not as debian
360 [03:39:35] <mojow> can login to sftp as debian not as root
361 [03:39:37] <mutante> interesting, now that is NOT what we expected I think
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363 [03:40:04] <mojow> on ssh can login as both debian and root
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366 [03:40:37] <mojow> i gloogled this for a while, can't find a damn relevant thing
367 [03:40:46] <mutante> mojow: look, now if you literally copy/paste that line .. it already has "filezilla" in most of the first hits, without even saying Filezilla.. good sign that there is a bug and a fix
368 [03:40:48] <mojow> hoped you debian guys would know
369 [03:41:25] <mutante> mojow: strange, if I google ""FATAL ERROR: Received unexpected end-of-file from SFTP server" the first result has filezilla
370 [03:41:56] <mojow> probably because i copied it from filezilla logs
371 [03:41:57] <mutante> mojow: "I seem to be having the same issue. SFTP through Filezilla was working perfectly a couple days ago. Then I updated to a newer version and it is no longer able to connect. "
372 [03:41:58] <sponix> hmm, oddly enough, I didn't have any trouble doing this
373 [03:42:00] <mutante> sounds kind of like you?
374 [03:42:18] <sponix> mojow: would you like my sshd_config dropped on my webserver for your review ?
375 [03:42:46] <mojow> if there's no security risk for you sure
376 [03:42:48] <mutante> oh, look mojow the fix they suggest is that Subsystem line I told you quite some time ago up there
377 [03:43:11] <mutante> see the guy here replaced-url
378 [03:43:25] <mutante> talking about the "Subsystem sftp internal-sftp"
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380 [03:44:06] <mutante> it's the same thing like in the tutorial
381 [03:44:34] <sponix> mojow: as you can see I run port 65534 and only change RootPermitBlah to "yes" from "no" --> replaced-url
382 [03:44:53] <sponix> mojow: I did that, restarted ssh, and Filezilla configured to connect did root just fine
383 [03:45:01] <sponix> made me feel naughty though :P
384 [03:45:11] <mutante> there are more users reporting filezilla broke after they updated f.e. replaced-url
385 [03:45:15] <mojow> <sponix> looking into it
386 [03:45:34] <sponix> mutante: Oh, is he using a newer version than what Debian provides ?
387 [03:45:49] <mutante> unknown so far
388 [03:46:03] <sponix> filezilla | 3.39.0-2+deb10u1 | replaced-url
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390 [03:47:48] <mutante> I did not paste random links, the digitalocean one is specifically that error message with that client and that protocol. good luck
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392 [03:51:46] <sponix> well, I must admit, when I did the root sftp it was to myself from Debian 10 to Debian 10 - No external machine or Windows 10 involved
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394 [03:53:00] <mojow> sponix> this is what I have there : #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
395 [03:53:00] <mojow> PermitRootLogin yes
396 [03:53:16] <mojow> basically commented out original line
397 [03:53:24] <mojow> and added PermitRootLogin yes
398 [03:54:18] <sponix> mojow: YES, onlyo the PermitRootLogin yes -- should be active, as you see in mine
399 [03:54:38] <sponix> other instances of that commented out, make sure it isn't somewhere else in your file over-riding you by accident :P
400 [03:54:53] <sponix> highly recommend doing that with vim :)
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402 [03:56:32] <mojow> i use nano, vi is horrible
403 [03:56:43] <mojow> just my opinion
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405 [03:57:29] <sponix> see, the roots of your issues keep unfolding as this conversation continues :P
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408 [03:58:59] <ectospasm> nano is fine, but I uninstall it if it gets installed by default.
409 [03:59:49] <sponix> ectospasm: when I type "visudo" and it brings up something in nano -- I throw up in my mouth a little bit -- just saying :P
410 [04:00:08] <sponix> just feels like something got lost in translation for sure
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412 [04:00:26] <mojow> jeez this is not going anywhere
413 [04:00:43] <mojow> maybe if i downgrade to debian 9 ?
414 [04:00:54] <mojow> would that work?
415 [04:01:23] <ectospasm> sponix: I don't know about the regurgitation, but I can't use nano at all. I always exit and `export VISUAL=/usr/bin/vim`
416 [04:01:41] <sponix> mojow: as root.. just mv your current sshd_config to sshd_config.Busted and move mine in.. make sure permissions and ownership on it are correct, and then restart ssh ?
417 [04:01:59] <ectospasm> mojow: seems a bit drastic to downgrade your OS because sftp won't work with your desired client.
418 [04:02:15] <ectospasm> I'd say use a better client.
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420 [04:02:26] <sponix> mojow: I would also look for an older version of filezilla like 3.39 to match mine
421 [04:02:31] <ectospasm> CLI sftp should work regardless.
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423 [04:02:51] <ectospasm> That's what I'd use, but I eschew GUI clients for most things.
424 [04:02:53] <sponix> ectospasm: True, there are at least a handful of sftp clients. Filezilla is just the one I always use
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426 [04:03:16] <ectospasm> I think even Windows has a CLI client built in now.
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428 [04:03:47] <sponix> ectospasm: if not, the "putty" full package likely has it
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430 [04:04:34] <sponix> ectospasm: if he wasn't trying to validate the root thing, I would offer to use my filezilla to connect to him -- BUT, I just refuse to do that as root :P
431 [04:04:40] <ectospasm> True, but I only use PuTTY when I have to. It's the best choice for a lot of my customers.
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433 [04:05:10] <mojow> ectospasm> they say above newer debian disabled remote root access
434 [04:05:18] <ectospasm> Yeah, `PermitRootLogin yes` is generally a bad idea.
435 [04:05:52] <mojow> the thing is i set it to PermitRootLogin yes and i still can't login as root
436 [04:05:58] <mojow> how you explain that
437 [04:06:03] <ectospasm> At least set up SSH keys and use `PermitRootLogin without-password` to be safer. That's what I do for a lot of my NAS pulls.
438 [04:06:17] <sponix> ectospasm: for key based auth only
439 [04:06:35] <ectospasm> mojow: is there a debug option in Filezilla? Does it tell you anything?
440 [04:06:40] <ectospasm> I honestly don't know.
441 [04:06:49] <ectospasm> the SSH server might give clues.
442 [04:06:55] <ectospasm> Can you login as a non-root user?
443 [04:06:59] <mojow> going to check if there's any ftp log
444 [04:07:15] <ectospasm> Check /var/log/secure.log
445 [04:07:26] <ectospasm> See if it says anything about root not being allowed.
446 [04:07:38] <ectospasm> Or is it /var/log/auth.log? I can't remember on Debian.
447 [04:08:32] <ectospasm> mojow: you're sure your telling Filezilla to connect on the SFTP port (usually TCP 22)?
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449 [04:09:42] <mojow> the last 10 lines
450 [04:09:43] <mojow> replaced-url
451 [04:10:49] <sponix> mojow: that says "proftpd" that is "FTPS" -- NOT SFTP lol
452 [04:11:12] <mojow> ectospasm> filezilla ask protocol, no need to fill port
453 [04:11:26] <ectospasm> Why are you using proftpd?
454 [04:11:27] <mojow> again i can connect just fine as debian
455 [04:11:37] <mojow> it's not a port problem
456 [04:11:50] <mojow> only root fails to login to sftp
457 [04:11:56] <ectospasm> That log is for proftpd, not OpenSSH
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459 [04:12:03] <sponix> replaced-url
460 [04:12:25] <mojow> hmmm...
461 [04:12:30] <mojow> where are the logs?
462 [04:12:36] <ectospasm> So you have proftpd configured not to allow root logins. Editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config won't do you any good.
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464 [04:12:41] <sponix> you must have ftps selected in the client -- not sftp
465 [04:12:57] <sponix> ectospasm: Yeah, he needs to just "uninstall" proftpd :)
466 [04:13:11] <ectospasm> I wouldn't go that far
467 [04:13:18] <sponix> that stuff is probably running on the SAME Port :)
468 [04:13:31] <ectospasm> sudo ss -plaunt | grep :22
469 [04:14:25] <ectospasm> The system won't allow more than one service to listen on the standard SSH port.
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472 [04:16:10] <mojow> i tried this
473 [04:16:11] <mojow> replaced-url
474 [04:16:14] <mojow> no good
475 [04:16:17] <ectospasm> I got work to do. I'll be back in a few.
476 [04:16:30] <ectospasm> mojow: do you have a requirement to use proftpd?
477 [04:16:46] <ectospasm> bbl
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479 [04:17:16] <mojow> ectospasm> is just part of my package
480 [04:17:26] <mojow> (virtualmin)
481 [04:17:29] <sponix> mojow: you need to move ssh to another port, or proftpd -- or both
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484 [04:18:17] <mojow> what is proftpd is unrelated
485 [04:18:32] <mojow> you told me ftp sftp different things
486 [04:18:41] <sponix> ports are not different things
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488 [04:19:08] <sponix> you can only have one thing per port ..... proftpd right now is answering for 22 as ftps, blocking ssh from using 22 for sftp
489 [04:19:08] <mojow> pretty sure proftpd is ftp only
490 [04:19:20] <mojow> and sftp is ssh related
491 [04:19:44] <mojow> so proftpd would be unrelated
492 [04:19:46] <sponix> leave proftpd alone and change the port in sshd_config then
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494 [04:19:52] <mojow> where are the ssh logs?
495 [04:20:01] <sponix> wait one
496 [04:20:02] <mojow> in var logs no ssh folder
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498 [04:20:37] <mojow> sponix> why change ports? i can sftp login as debian just fine
499 [04:20:51] <mojow> so why change port?
500 [04:21:37] <sponix> I'm done
501 [04:21:41] <sponix> have a nice night/dayo
502 [04:21:58] <mojow> the reason why i want to sftp as root is because i can not browse anything i want as debian
503 [04:22:03] <mutante> amazing, isn't it. "the issue is probably confusion ftp vs sftp" hours ago
504 [04:22:14] <mojow> i want to browse edit everything freely
505 [04:22:19] <mojow> why i set my server
506 [04:23:20] <sponix> sure, YOUR server ... Do as you please. I don't have the energy to argue. If you want to make it work with my help -- do so. If not, go somewhere else
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508 [04:23:42] <mutante> mojow: remove proftpd and everything that came with it. copy his sshd config as he said
509 [04:23:54] <sponix> if you don't understand that you can't have 2 services running on the same port you don't need to call yourself an admin anyway :P
510 [04:24:32] <mojow> proftpd uses port 21
511 [04:24:44] <mojow> sftp port 22
512 [04:24:44] <mutante> yea, and you don't want to use port 21.
513 [04:24:48] <sponix> I've already verified that it can be done on my own system
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515 [04:25:08] <sponix> mojow: then you configured Filezilla WRONG if proftpd is answering for SFTP
516 [04:25:12] <mojow> this is a standard configuration
517 [04:25:20] <sponix> your own log just showed that a big ago
518 [04:25:46] <mojow> i posted proftpd logs because i have no other ftp logs
519 [04:26:03] <mojow> like i said i see no ssh log folder
520 [04:26:11] <mojow> i asked 3 times where are the logs
521 [04:26:28] <mojow> dismiss those proftpd logs, they are unrelated
522 [04:27:08] <mojow> *probably some bots trying to access ftp
523 [04:27:11] <sponix> replaced-url
524 [04:27:15] <mutante> look, you literally just pasted that you try to talk to proftp, you don't want to read stuff given to you, you don't want to copy config given to you. now you want to tell us about standard config hours
525 [04:27:29] <mutante> later
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527 [04:27:56] <sponix> mojow: do you need me to ssh in and configure this for you ?
528 [04:27:57] <mutante> why not use the config sponix gave you
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530 [04:28:18] <sponix> mutante: because putting ssh on port 65534 would be too secure :)
531 [04:28:25] <sponix> and functional
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533 [04:28:39] <sponix> and avoid conflicts with proftpd also lol
534 [04:28:42] <mutante> or could have listened and just used scp
535 [04:28:51] <mojow> sponix> thank you for the offer (if not sarcastic) but I really don't think proftpd has anything to do with my problem
536 [04:29:04] <edufmass> Hello, I have a notebook with a m2 nvme 480gb disk and a sata ssd 500gb disk, I need help with partition scheme, I searched in google and found a lot of recommendations and I didn't know which one should I use.
537 [04:29:29] <mojow> pretty sure proftpd is for regular ftp only, and not used for sftp
538 [04:29:47] <mojow> i don't want to touch proftpd
539 [04:29:50] <sponix> well, you have fun with that. I have other things to tend to
540 [04:29:58] <mojow> i want to fix my root access with sftp
541 [04:29:59] <mutante> mojow: let me use your own language. your log shows "proftpd". you claim it is unrelated. how do you explain that?
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543 [04:30:37] <mutante> also everything before you claimed was unrelated turned out to be .. pretty related
544 [04:30:39] <sponix> whole thing is still a terrible idea anyway. I will sleep better at night with you not making it work :P
545 [04:31:01] <mojow> how rude
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547 [04:31:10] <sponix> mutante: there is a reason this simple task is so difficult, and it isn't the computer or the software ( Its the user )
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550 [04:31:48] <mojow> ignore those proftpd logs
551 [04:31:55] <mojow> they are unrelated
552 [04:32:02] <sponix> If I want to argue about how to do things. I will go have a conversation with my teenagers :)
553 [04:32:09] <mutante> mojow: 2 people spent 1.5 hours on trying to help you , provided you with all kinds of info and suggested config, tested it for you.. and you call them rude?
554 [04:32:44] <mojow> I'm going back to google
555 [04:32:47] <mojow> bye
556 [04:32:54] <mutante> also you can't ask for help with something and at the same time tell the people who help what the fix is
557 [04:32:55] <mojow> thank for trying
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560 [04:35:02] <sponix> mutante: maybe by the time he returns my medicine will take hold :)
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563 [04:40:49] <mutante> sponix: proftpd is never going away i guess :p
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569 [04:48:08] <sponix> mutante: I used it "decades" ago. I just don't think it has any real purpose in 2020
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571 [04:48:52] <mutante> sponix: exactly the same here.. it's literally decades and I also wouldn't get into the config of that anymore
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573 [04:49:54] <sponix> mutante: they are using some pre-made scripted "install everything for me" stuff that put proftpd in place. That is why they are sticking to it
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575 [04:50:14] <OneLegend> sftp has a bad rep for being "slow"
576 [04:50:21] <sponix> they have No Idea what that script has done on their system, let alone how to undo it
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578 [04:50:32] <mutante> sponix: Plesk ?:)
579 [04:50:39] <mutante> no wait.. "webmin"?:)
580 [04:51:14] <sponix> yeah, it was one of those admin webui things, but I thought they mentioned a script also. maybe not
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582 [04:51:26] <mutante> well they were are the same time saying "are you just a noob like me" and "not a noob, know what I'm doing". being a noob is fine, but this guy was both noob and knows it already
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584 [04:51:57] <OneLegend> people still using ftp?
585 [04:51:58] <sponix> OneLegend: the overhead of sftp might have been a thing even a decade ago. but everything is ssl/ssh now for a reason. If my Note9 phone can handle sftp just fine, a real computer should do okay also
586 [04:52:21] <mutante> OneLegend: make that "don't know whether it's ftp or sftp"
587 [04:52:39] <sponix> OneLegend: he had proftpd trying to do ftp and ftps it seemed, conflicting with sftp/ssh
588 [04:52:55] <sponix> 98% sure that was the problem
589 [04:52:58] <mutante> he also claimed everything worked as a user called "debian"
590 [04:53:03] <mutante> but not as root
591 [04:53:07] <sponix> couldn't get them to simply move ssh to a different port to know for sure
592 [04:53:34] <sponix> mutante: yeah, that "debian" user could have been ftps or regular ftp for all we know handled by proftpd - not sftp at all
593 [04:53:48] <mutante> maybe it's proftp with some sftp plugin ?:)
594 [04:54:32] <mutante> or he just had the wrong port in filezilla
595 [04:54:41] <OneLegend> ftp is not very firewall friendly
596 [04:54:45] <mutante> and he was right about this being a simple problem and us making it complicated. lol
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598 [04:55:48] <mutante> he upgraded something that made it stop working. in hindsight it wasnt clear if that upgrade was his Debian, or Filezilla
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600 [04:58:25] <FrostFeline> If you want firewall friendly just use passive mode?
601 [04:58:47] <OneLegend> what's that?
602 [04:59:45] <mutante> OneLegend: replaced-url
603 [04:59:58] <petn-randall> OneLegend: ftp has an active and a passive mode. It's explained on wikipedia.
604 [05:00:11] <FrostFeline> It’s a mode on the FTP server where all connections are initiated from the client side
605 [05:00:56] <FrostFeline> OneLegend: active is the older mode from when every device had its own public IP address
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607 [05:01:56] <mutante> imagine he would just use ssfs to mount the damn thing as root
608 [05:01:59] <mutante> sshfs
609 [05:02:10] <mutante> since he wants everything and as root so badly
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611 [05:02:50] <mutante> how convenient compared to Filezilla that could be
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615 [05:03:45] <sponix> mutante: I actually have never used sshfs ;)
616 [05:04:13] <sponix> mutante: and I was getting the feeling the Filezilla client was on Windows - Never was verified though
617 [05:05:01] <mutante> sponix: if it's Windows then he should install WinSCP and be happy with it. it's the same thing and it would have just worked since sshd was up.. but he did not believe me
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620 [05:05:55] <mutante> files on the left, files on the right and you drag them over.. just like he is used to from ftp
621 [05:06:03] <FrostFeline> There’s many options for this
622 [05:06:05] <sponix> mutante: I missed that portion of the conversation
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624 [05:06:14] <mutante> I don't get why there are so many who still want an additional ftpd.. it's so common
625 [05:06:27] <sponix> mutante: you can't help those who won't actually accept it though
626 [05:06:27] <mutante> sponix: that was like the first 5 min :p
627 [05:07:14] <FrostFeline> He’s probably dealing with a situation where you can’t install extra software?
628 [05:08:18] <mutante> He was in this mood "i just want the simple answer to my simple question, how do I enable root login, why are these guys argueing about using root@ in the first place and all this other crap"
629 [05:08:35] <mutante> which I admit can happen if you have a question and you get the "but actually"
630 [05:08:53] <mutante> but then he also really did not even want to read the links or try the config .. so ..shrug
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646 [05:29:20] <alex11> can you resize an image in virt-manager after you've already installed an os in it?
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652 [05:35:20] <jmcnaught> alex11: are you using qcow2 images?
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655 [05:37:21] <alex11> i don't know
656 [05:38:08] <alex11> they're .iso to begin with if that's what you're asking
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658 [05:39:02] <jmcnaught> alex11: open the details for a VM, click on its virtual storage, what is the source path?
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660 [05:39:25] <alex11> i don't have any set up at the moment, i'll look at it later
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662 [05:40:13] <jmcnaught> alex11: the default image type used by virt-manager is qcow2, which can you manipulate with qemu-img(1) which has a resize command.
663 [05:40:38] <alex11> ok, i'll keep it in mind
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726 [07:41:42] <arahael> I've downloaded the arm64 netinst image but it doesn't appear to be installable in parallels - is this a known issue, by chance? (I've already sent feedback to parallels about this)
727 [07:42:34] <arahael> (And yes, on an arm64 system - Apple M1)
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733 [07:57:43] <fightthe1alrus> ahaah
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738 [08:03:35] <mulot> parallels on Andoid? it can run debian?
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743 [08:10:31] <arahael> mulot: Android? No, I don't think so.
744 [08:11:17] <mulot> well thank you arahael !
745 [08:11:59] <arahael> mulot: Well, I recall seeing a bunch of "chroots" that can do it... But I haven't really looked...
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752 [08:21:21] <iamchroot> achoo
753 [08:21:55] <iamchroot> compatibility = good luck...one second
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756 [08:24:00] <iamchroot> sorry, its buried. lineageOS might be a start
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805 [09:05:18] <Lope> is there some sort of service for pulseaudio?
806 [09:05:37] <Lope> I want to disable pulseaudio so that it only starts up after my network initialization script has finished.
807 [09:05:56] <Lope> Because I think I'm having a race condition with pulseaudio and the network initialization.
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810 [09:06:52] <Lope> Running x2go. Sometimes the session freezes for about a minute, then shows a pulseaudio connection error. Then freezes some more. Then the session works perfectly, smooth and fast and audio works.
811 [09:06:59] <Lope> I can't reproduce the issue reliably.
812 [09:07:12] <Lope> Which makes me think it's a race condition relating to my network initialization.
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814 [09:07:42] <Lope> If I can disable pulseaudio then enable it after my network stuff, that would be great.
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816 [09:08:05] <Lope> But I don't see a pulseaudio service. I only sound.target, alsa-state and alsa-restore
817 [09:08:17] <Lope> I'm a complete noob when it comes to pulseaudio services.
818 [09:08:31] <Lope> Running buster with KDE plasma
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831 [09:21:37] <arahael> Interestingly, it seems Fedora works in parallels for M1.
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905 [10:42:57] <daregap> Hello. Suppose you have a linux setup where the HDD (rootfs) is encrypted with LUKS, what is the correct way to migrate that system from a HDD to a SSD of the same size?
906 [10:43:20] <daregap> Should I just do an image copy like dd if=/dev/disk1 of=/dev/disk2 ?
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910 [10:44:30] <mrkramps> daregap, id' recommends using clonezilla
911 [10:45:17] <mrkramps> daregap, a simple dd of the whole disk will get the partition alignment wrong
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913 [10:46:01] <daregap> How so? Both disks have the same number of sectors (I checked)
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915 [10:47:40] <mrkramps> daregap, disk geometry of hdd and ssd differs
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917 [10:48:15] <daregap> hmm, how about I recreate the GUID on the SSD and then copy each partition individually?
918 [10:48:28] <mrkramps> daregap, that's what clonezilla is doing
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920 [10:49:03] <mrkramps> clonezille uses partclone on each partition, creates a new parition table on the ssd and dds the mbr
921 [10:49:21] <mrkramps> you can do all this manually if you like
922 [10:49:43] <b1ackandwh1te> not much time ago I was paranoid about encryption. wnhen came later that was enough to me do safe passwords.
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924 [10:50:02] <daregap> I see. Actually, there was another reason I'm asking: TRIM. Like, if I use dd to do the copy of the encrypted data, will the SSD firmware assume that all blocks are in use, despite being technically empty?
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926 [10:51:03] <daregap> (I am aware of the security tradeoffs about TRIM)
927 [10:51:24] <mrkramps> daregap, afaik there should be not problem
928 [10:51:40] <mrkramps> but i'd check myself because i am far from sure about it
929 [10:52:33] <daregap> cause an alternative would be to create another LUKS container ontop of an empty partition, format it EXT4 and then rsync all the files from the old partition to the new one
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933 [10:54:23] <mojow> hello guys
934 [10:54:30] <mojow> me again
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937 [10:54:40] <mojow> fixed my root problem
938 [10:55:03] <mojow> since you tried to help, i can tell you how if you want
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940 [10:55:14] <mojow> mutante>
941 [10:55:20] <mojow> sponix>
942 [10:55:54] <mojow> ectospasm>
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944 [10:56:32] <mojow> but if you don't care that's ok
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946 [10:58:39] <mrkramps> daregap, to deal with non-empty empty blocks on the ssd the first trim after clone should actually deal with it
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948 [10:59:47] <daregap> Wait, how does TRIM actually work? Does it signal to the SSD only the sectors that were freed or does it signal all sectors that are free?
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950 [11:00:16] <daregap> Because if the case is the second one then I'd understand what you're saying
951 [11:00:30] <b1ackandwh1te> I have to live now with 256G ssd and nothing more. movies now only in streaming.
952 [11:00:58] <mojow> b1ackandwh1te> is it debian related?
953 [11:01:17] <mojow> the fix would be to get a job maybe
954 [11:01:32] <mojow> no offense intended
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958 [11:02:37] <mrkramps> daregap, afaik trim is invoked by file system and your file system should know is a sector is free or not
959 [11:02:40] <b1ackandwh1te> mojow, the fact is that I wont onpen my new notebook. I can have an ssd larger.
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961 [11:03:13] <daregap> mrkramps: yeah, the file system knows, but the disk firmware doesn't
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964 [11:03:45] <daregap> so the question is does it invoke on all free space or just the file that is deleted
965 [11:03:47] <mojow> b1ackandwh1te> good luck guy
966 [11:04:01] <daregap> or rather the sectors used by that file
967 [11:04:20] <daregap> let's see, if the wiki says anything about it
968 [11:04:22] <mojow> i know what it is to lose your job
969 [11:04:46] <mojow> lost a good job, then found another where i got paid 3X more
970 [11:05:17] <mojow> but this is offtopic maybe
971 [11:05:40] <mojow> better use #debian-offtopic
972 [11:06:16] <daregap> "For a file deletion operation, the operating system will mark the file's sectors as free for new data, then send a TRIM command to the SSD. After trimming, the SSD will not preserve any contents of the block when writing new data to a page of flash memory, resulting in less write amplification (fewer writes), higher write throughput (no need for a read-erase-modify sequence), thus increasing drive
973 [11:06:17] <daregap> life."
974 [11:07:20] <mojow> in fact i didn't really find another job
975 [11:07:24] <mojow> i was an official
976 [11:07:31] <mojow> now i am independant
977 [11:07:40] <mojow> that why i make so much more
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979 [11:12:37] <mrkramps> daregap, is it your first SSD?
980 [11:12:58] <daregap> yeah
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982 [11:16:08] <mrkramps> daregap, don't be too paranoid. reading about how it works and if there are problems is always good, but in general SSDs work on linux for nearly a decade now
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984 [11:18:25] <mrkramps> especially be careful about when the information was published, because a lot of it is just deprecated and some just wrong
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986 [11:19:10] <daregap> Yeah, I have a habbit to learn how things work before utilizing them
987 [11:19:42] <mrkramps> daregap, and I can only encourage this habbit
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989 [11:21:05] <daregap> I think my best bet is to recreate the partition, the LUKS container and the filesystem inside and then only copy the files. Better than the full 1:1 copy.
990 [11:23:11] <mrkramps> i you know how that works that's definitely the way you have most control iver the process
991 [11:23:35] <mrkramps> s/i/if/ && s/iver/over/ -.-
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1003 [11:29:33] <mrkramps> daregap, btw i just checked, partclone only backs up/restores used blocks. just for the sake of completeness :)
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1058 [12:23:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
1059 [12:23:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> can you hear me
1060 [12:24:08] <mrkramps> .
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1119 [13:17:05] <tarzeau> say i have a database textfile match result, and i want to get "How do i match that?" grep find that result line, it i'm using this all in a case) esac thing...
1120 [13:17:43] <tarzeau> maybe it's easier if you have the shell script replaced-url
1121 [13:17:55] <tarzeau> i don't mind replacing grep with something else, maybe fzf or whatever
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1133 [13:24:49] <mojow> hmmm i'm running rsynch in debian remotely with ssh
1134 [13:25:20] <mojow> will rsynch do the full job even if I close my console?
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1143 [13:33:16] <hemimaniac> mojow: if you sent it to background yes it will
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1147 [13:35:22] <hemimaniac> if it a large job you could in that term Ctrl+z to pause it then bg it
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1151 [13:38:33] <mojow> hemimaniac never did that before
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1153 [13:38:53] <mojow> "send to background"? what does it mean
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1155 [13:39:44] <hemimaniac> the command runs in the background like it was detached in screen
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1162 [13:42:34] <mojow> hemimaniac> ok and how do i send it bg it after ctr+z ?
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1166 [13:44:43] <hemimaniac> bg then enter command
1167 [13:45:29] <mojow> thank sorry for stupid question, i just googled it, took 10 sec
1168 [13:45:38] <hemimaniac> then to inquire, fg will bring it back to the foreground
1169 [13:45:46] <mojow> alright then i try that
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1171 [13:46:12] <mojow> hmmm
1172 [13:46:18] <hemimaniac> also in the future you could look at screen, witch is a nice touch
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1174 [13:46:33] <mojow> i see no difference in the console
1175 [13:46:53] <mojow> still showing file copy in real time
1176 [13:46:59] <hemimaniac> well ya, but now you can close it out
1177 [13:47:03] <mojow> i used verbose option
1178 [13:47:09] <mojow> ok
1179 [13:47:14] <mojow> then it's all good
1180 [13:47:21] <hemimaniac> yep
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1182 [13:49:00] <mojow> hemimaniac> thanks a lot for the tip
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1184 [13:49:07] <mojow> super helpful
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1192 [13:52:11] <mojow> i'm a windows users and tbh I had no idea about those bg and fg in linux. windows has no such feature. what difference does it make?
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1196 [13:53:12] <mojow> seems like the difference is occupying terminal or not
1197 [13:53:42] <mojow> but in my case i still can't use terminal anyway because of the verbose option? weird...
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1199 [13:55:14] <hemimaniac> well you could also use <command> & but if you used $bg <enter> then <command> you can close the terminal
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1205 [13:56:37] <hemimaniac> and for windblows I believe it is 'start /b <command>'
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1216 [14:03:38] <mojow> back
1217 [14:03:46] <mojow> i got disconnected sorry
1218 [14:03:59] <mojow> last line I see is
1219 [14:04:05] <mojow> hemimaniac> well you could also use <command> & but if you used $bg <enter>
1220 [14:04:17] <mojow> what I feared happened
1221 [14:04:30] <mojow> now let's see if the process got interrupted
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1226 [14:06:27] <mojow> <hemimaniac> yes
1227 [14:06:34] <mojow> it's still running
1228 [14:06:45] <mojow> *thunbsups*
1229 [14:07:02] <hemimaniac> great
1230 [14:07:11] <hemimaniac> and fyi
1231 [14:07:16] <hemimaniac> and for windblows I believe it is 'start /b <command>'
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1233 [14:08:19] <mojow> but windows is windows nobody uses it for cli
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1237 [14:08:52] <mojow> anyway i got no problem with windows haters
1238 [14:08:57] <mojow> i hate it too
1239 [14:09:08] <mojow> it's basically a giant spyware
1240 [14:09:17] <mojow> everyone knows but we still use it
1241 [14:09:25] <mojow> because we have no alternative
1242 [14:09:30] <mojow> especially gamers
1243 [14:09:54] <hemimaniac> well this sort of thing should prolly move to #debian-offtopic as it isn't support related now
1244 [14:10:05] <mojow> sure thing
1245 [14:10:42] <mojow> my bad
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1291 [14:59:51] <Knaldgas> Setting up postfix and dovecot with virtual users. Any reason to create vmail user and group since debian already has mail user and group? or do mail and vmail have different purposes?
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1327 [15:37:57] <Karou> yo
1328 [15:38:12] <Karou> I'm trying to fix an iptable rule
1329 [15:38:21] <Karou> anyone know much about em?
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1331 [15:39:41] <mojow> hemimaniac> turns out the task got interrupted after a while... *sigh*
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1333 [15:40:09] <Karou> heres the setup, my router tunnels to my vpn with an iptable rule dropping connections over the local net, i need some other network traffic on certain ports to be routed not through the router as well, and to a certain ip range
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1345 [15:49:12] <quadrathoch2> Karou so? whats there to fix
1346 [15:49:40] <Karou> basically i want any connections over port 5000-5500 to not go through the tunnel
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1349 [15:50:36] <quadrathoch2> Karou do you have any paste? as we can't read your screen. so we have no idea what rules you have
1350 [15:50:53] <Karou> my only rule atm is this
1351 [15:50:58] <Karou> iptables -I FORWARD ! -o tun1 -m iprange --src-range 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150 -j DROP
1352 [15:51:18] <Karou> the only one i've set
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1355 [15:52:50] <velix> Stupid question, which packages does "/etc/inputrc" come from?
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1357 [15:53:33] <quadrathoch2> ,file inputrc
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1359 [15:53:39] <judd> Search for inputrc in buster/amd64: im-config: etc/X11/xinit/xinputrc; readline-common: usr/share/readline/inputrc; liblambda-term-ocaml-dev: usr/share/doc/liblambda-term-ocaml-dev/lambda-term-inputrc; libreadline7: usr/share/doc/libreadline7/examples/Inputrc; libreadline5: usr/share/doc/libreadline5/examples/Inputrc; pari-gp: usr/share/doc/pari-gp/examples/Inputrc; xiterm+thai:
1360 [15:53:40] <judd> usr/share/doc/xiterm+thai/examples/inputrc; yafc: usr/share/doc/yafc/examples/inputrc; emacspeak: usr/share/doc/emacspeak/examples/stumpwm/xinputrc; libreadline-java-doc: usr/share/doc/libreadline-java/examples/test/tinputrc; octave-common: usr/share/octave/4.4.1/m/startup/inputrc
1361 [15:53:54] <velix> quadrathoch2: Tried that already, no result.
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1364 [15:56:01] <velix> really crazy...
1365 [15:56:07] <velix> Maybe I set a trigger on it
1366 [15:57:38] <velix> ah, readline-common creates it!
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1368 [15:59:06] <velix> Seems like "file" isn't accurate here.
1369 [15:59:41] <Karou> iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p udp iprange --dst-range 104.160.128.0-104.160.159.255 --ports 5000:5500 is what i want i think
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1373 [16:00:37] <rr123> top command for VIRT showed 20.0t, what does 't' mean here
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1392 [16:20:24] <ice9> sometimes during disk IO operations like when upgrading packages, the whole system freezes for many seconds; this is something new that didn't happen before; what could be the issue?
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1406 [16:35:08] <velix> What's the standard "dialog" on debian? whiptail? dialog?
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1411 [16:39:53] <velix> Hmm... seems like I'm asking at the wrong time of day. 1181 people are idling :D
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1413 [16:42:32] <Fox> whiptail I guess
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1415 [16:43:01] <velix> Fox: Oh, I thought Debian likes ncurses.
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1430 [16:59:12] <Release_> hey there i was wondering if its possible to install libmaxminddb manually (from source) in an old distro (debian 8 jessie) it seems no matter what i try i cant seem to be able to install it from source
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1432 [16:59:45] <Release_> from what i understood the package isnt available in the distro since its new package
1433 [17:01:18] <Release_> package is libmaxminddb-dev not libmaxminddb (same thing tho)
1434 [17:01:56] <Release_> anyway for me to get that package into this old distro version
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1436 [17:02:29] <Release_> thanks in advance
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1438 [17:02:43] <Brigo> ,v libmaxminddb-dev
1439 [17:02:44] <judd> Package: libmaxminddb-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster: 1.3.2-1; bullseye: 1.4.3-2; sid: 1.4.3-2
1440 [17:03:12] <Brigo> Release_, your best bet is a backport
1441 [17:03:21] <grumble> hi, where can I obtain the source code of the windows setup program (setup.exe on debian installer DVDs)?
1442 [17:03:22] <Release_> oh euhm
1443 [17:03:25] <Release_> im a noob really
1444 [17:03:44] <Release_> any tut for that Brigo
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1446 [17:04:02] <Brigo> Release_, yes, replaced-url
1447 [17:04:17] <Release_> thanx will look into that and give it a try
1448 [17:04:21] <Release_> thanx Brigo
1449 [17:04:55] <Brigo> Release_, is it no available in jessie?
1450 [17:05:19] <Release_> from what i could tell it wasnt availabe for that version Brigo
1451 [17:05:24] <Release_> unless im mistaken
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1453 [17:05:50] <Brigo> Release_, are you getting the debian packages from archive.debian.org?
1454 [17:06:07] <Release_> im using the package manager really
1455 [17:06:15] <Release_> im no expert by no means
1456 [17:06:35] <Release_> trying to do minimal changes
1457 [17:06:42] <Release_> and change only things i understand
1458 [17:06:57] <Release_> and yes indeed i know i should have upgraded ages ago
1459 [17:07:05] <Release_> and stay up to date
1460 [17:07:33] <Brigo> Release_, could you paste /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste server?
1461 [17:07:35] <Release_> i was afraid it would mess with the things i currently use and/or lose current installed software
1462 [17:07:44] <Release_> sure
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1464 [17:09:03] <Release_> deb replaced-url
1465 [17:09:03] <Release_> deb replaced-url
1466 [17:09:28] <Release_> thats what i have there
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1468 [17:10:19] <Release_> unless thats not what u asked
1469 [17:10:23] <longshot> Is there a list of source packages somewhere?
1470 [17:10:36] <Release_> thats all i can see in that file
1471 [17:10:42] <Release_> the 2 lines
1472 [17:10:56] <Brigo> Release_, ok, then backport it and good luck :)
1473 [17:11:09] <Release_> thanks Brigo :D
1474 [17:11:11] <gnat_x> Release_: update!
1475 [17:11:11] <longshot> The list here seems to be just the binary packages: replaced-url
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1477 [17:11:34] <gnat_x> Release_: don't waste the time backporting if you're just worried about the upgrade process.
1478 [17:11:46] <Release_> hm ok
1479 [17:13:15] <gnat_x> Release_: you are running software with known vulnerabilities/
1480 [17:13:19] <gnat_x> Release_: replaced-url
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1482 [17:13:49] <Release_> hm ok
1483 [17:13:56] <gnat_x> Release_: also, stretch isn't going to be "oldstable" for that much longer, which will make upgrading even harder ~6 months from now.
1484 [17:14:21] <gnat_x> Release_: is there something in particular that you are worried about breaking?
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1486 [17:14:41] <Release_> losing all i have installed atm
1487 [17:14:46] <Release_> software
1488 [17:15:24] <Release_> it isnt that much really i guess i could backup it all somewhere and go ahead with the upgrade
1489 [17:15:30] <gnat_x> Release_: if it is installed with package manager it will upgrade along with it.
1490 [17:15:48] <Release_> but wont that format the HD
1491 [17:15:59] <Release_> and erase all old software ?
1492 [17:16:03] <gnat_x> Release_: that's the whole point of the debian model, reliable upgrades.
1493 [17:16:12] <gnat_x> or at least a huge part of it
1494 [17:16:17] <Release_> hm ok
1495 [17:16:19] <gnat_x> "the whole point" is a bit much.
1496 [17:16:37] <gnat_x> Release_: no. there's no hard drive format.
1497 [17:16:40] <Release_> any tut for proper upgrade method
1498 [17:16:44] <Release_> the proper way
1499 [17:16:57] <gnat_x> Release_: I just gave it to you.
1500 [17:17:12] <gnat_x> Release_: that's the official one.
1501 [17:17:20] <Release_> oh ok sorry bout that
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1503 [17:17:37] <Release_> will look into it this week hopefully
1504 [17:17:41] <gnat_x> Release_: the other advice is to upgrade one version at a time. so jessie->stretch->buster.
1505 [17:17:59] <Release_> ah ok good to add that
1506 [17:18:05] <Release_> that seems important
1507 [17:18:09] <gnat_x> Release_: skipping stretch is neither advised or supported.
1508 [17:18:40] <Release_> does it take a long time ?
1509 [17:18:49] <Release_> the whole process
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1511 [17:19:04] <gnat_x> Release_: depends on your internet connection and hardware.
1512 [17:19:21] <gnat_x> Release_: i did an upgrade on a laptop the other day, and it was inside of three hours.
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1514 [17:19:28] <Release_> ah ok
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1516 [17:19:32] <Release_> thanks
1517 [17:19:35] <gnat_x> and that machine is ~5 years old now.
1518 [17:19:35] <Release_> i guess im ok
1519 [17:19:46] <Release_> laptop im using is kinda basic but ok
1520 [17:19:52] <gnat_x> so is this.
1521 [17:19:53] <Release_> mine is older
1522 [17:20:01] <gnat_x> you should be fine.
1523 [17:20:07] <Release_> thanks for all the info gnat_x
1524 [17:20:14] <Release_> and others
1525 [17:20:20] <Release_> much apreciates
1526 [17:20:22] <Release_> much apreciated
1527 [17:20:24] <gnat_x> it will go faster if you let the computer do as little else as possible during the upgrade.
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1529 [17:20:31] <Release_> yep
1530 [17:20:32] <gnat_x> like don't run firefox at the same time.
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1533 [17:20:44] <Release_> i usually take that aproach as well
1534 [17:20:51] <Release_> if its massive changes
1535 [17:20:54] <Release_> i run only that
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1538 [17:21:25] <gnat_x> Release_: yeah, it is a "use a different computer, read a book, make a meal and check in" kind of thing.
1539 [17:21:30] <gnat_x> at least for me.
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1543 [17:22:45] <Release_> i do the same thing
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1569 [17:39:42] <velix> Is there something like "virtualenv" for normal shell? Of course not chroot ;)
1570 [17:40:46] <koollman> what would it do ?
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1572 [17:40:59] <ansimita> velix: maybe replaced-url
1573 [17:41:05] <velix> Install stuff and "rollback". like transactions in PostgreSQL ;)
1574 [17:41:10] <koollman> the closest I can think of is 'modules'
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1576 [17:41:19] <velix> begin; apt install stuff; rollback;
1577 [17:41:33] <koollman> velix: virtualenv doesn't allow rollbacks :)
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1579 [17:41:44] <velix> yeah, but you can simply remove it ;9
1580 [17:41:51] <koollman> so ... chroot :)
1581 [17:41:54] <koollman> debootstrap
1582 [17:42:11] <koollman> (or some limited PATH thing, I supopse, would work)
1583 [17:42:13] <velix> chroot needs to be set up from scratch. You cannot share installed libraries, like in virtualenv.
1584 [17:42:30] <velix> koollman: I'll have a look at direnv, thanks
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1588 [17:45:32] <ansimita> velix: u might need to go all the way to nix replaced-url
1589 [17:45:58] <velix> ansimita: Thanks, I'll have a look
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1601 [18:00:07] <velix> Once a locale has been generated, where is it stored at?
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1607 [18:01:22] <ansimita> velix: /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen according to replaced-url
1608 [18:01:23] <tomreyn> velix: do you know man pages? they can often answer such questions.
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1611 [18:01:45] <velix> tomreyn: it couldn't.
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1613 [18:01:57] <velix> ansimita: Nope, /etc/default is just a config file
1614 [18:02:06] <velix> same as /etc/locale.gen
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1616 [18:02:15] <velix> But okay, I'll find it out on my own ;)
1617 [18:02:26] <ansimita> velix: oops, (in older versions of Debian)
1618 [18:02:32] <ansimita> velix: good luck!
1619 [18:03:13] <velix> ansimita: No problem. Debian is a bunch of crazy old cascaded scripts. At the end, it just sets a link somewhere :D
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1621 [18:05:27] <tomreyn> velix: replaced-url
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1623 [18:06:06] <velix> tomreyn: I've been there, but there's "C.UTF-8" only. But I've generated de_DE.UTF-8 and I'm using it.
1624 [18:06:30] <velix> tomreyn: They why I got curious where it lives ;)
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1626 [18:07:54] <tomreyn> i'm not actually certain, but i assume it goes into the archive.
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1628 [18:08:04] <velix> aaaaaaaah, it's baked into this file!
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1630 [18:08:11] <velix> It's no standand alone directory.
1631 [18:08:14] <velix> ahhhhhh
1632 [18:08:16] <velix> tomreyn: Thanks
1633 [18:08:44] <tomreyn> that's what the man page says anywas
1634 [18:08:48] <tomreyn> you're welcome
1635 [18:08:54] <velix> "locale -v -a" did it
1636 [18:08:58] <velix> locale: de_DE.utf8 archive: /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
1637 [18:09:02] <velix> locale: C.UTF-8 directory: /usr/lib/locale/C.UTF-8
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1639 [18:09:16] <velix> So C.UTF-8 has its own directory, while de_DE lives in the archive. Crazy.
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1642 [18:12:29] <velix> Nice. It's portable! So I can copy locale-archive onto another system and have de_DE directly activated (after setting LANG). Now that's nice.
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1646 [18:18:40] <velix> Yeah, just tried it. That's really nice.
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1677 [18:46:06] <gribouille> hi
1678 [18:47:20] <gribouille> I have "kvm: disabled by bios" in /var/log/kern.log, but lscpu says: Virtualization: VT-x; what does that mean?
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1680 [18:48:57] <LtL> gribouille: it only means your cpu is capable of virtualization.
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1682 [18:49:25] <gribouille> how can I know if virtualization is enabled?
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1684 [18:51:01] <LtL> gribouille: did you install qemu, libvirt, or similar? its not
1685 [18:51:28] <gribouille> LtL, of course
1686 [18:52:06] <LtL> gribouille: of course what? you did, or did not?
1687 [18:52:27] <gribouille> LtL, I installed qemu
1688 [18:52:48] <LtL> if kvm is disabled in BIOS, I doubt qemu would work
1689 [18:53:14] <gribouille> I checked in the bios. it says : Intel Virtualization Technology (VTx) : enabled and Intel IO Virtualization : disabled
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1691 [18:53:42] <tomreyn> you probably want vt-d as well, though
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1693 [18:54:09] <gribouille> tomreyn, but does it work without?
1694 [18:54:50] <tomreyn> qemu can run without vt-d, yes. kvm, i'm not sure.
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1697 [18:56:11] <gribouille> ok, let me try
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1699 [18:56:58] <rudi_s> KVM works without with vt-d, it just needs VT-X for good performance.
1700 [18:57:00] <tomreyn> virt-host-validate is a utility available in libvirt-clients, whbich checks readyness for qemu
1701 [18:57:06] <rudi_s> *works without vt-d
1702 [18:58:00] <tomreyn> kvm-ok is a utility available in cpu-checker, which checks readyness for kvm
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1759 [19:47:46] <jack2019> Hi, mouse moves slowly from top to bottom with out any reason....
1760 [19:48:57] <jack2019> 4.19.160-2
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1765 [19:51:17] <nkuttler> jack2019: laptop? physical mouse? connected how?
1766 [19:51:46] <jack2019> laptop by usb
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1768 [19:56:49] <jack2019> in cat /etc/input/mice
1769 [19:57:25] <jack2019> : ((((((?(((((((?....continue
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1773 [19:59:15] <jack2019> I will change the keyboard to an old one. meaby is keyboard problem...I am not sure
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1781 [20:10:07] <jack2019> nkuttler?
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1784 [20:12:28] <jack2019> nkuttler: thank you, the probllem is in keyboard, some pins (missing) are not connected to motherboard.
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1799 [20:24:47] <sponix2ipfw> anyone use "cockpit" ?
1800 [20:24:56] <sponix2ipfw> ,v cockpit
1801 [20:24:57] <judd> Package: cockpit on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 188-1~bpo9+1; buster: 188-1; buster-backports: 229-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 233-1; sid: 234-1
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1853 [21:18:43] <gribouille> hi
1854 [21:20:11] <gribouille> I'm trying to create a grub rescue disk (grub-mkrescue -o grub.iso /boot/grub/), but when I run grub.iso under qemu, I don't get the normal grub menu
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1866 [21:31:47] <oxek> is there any issue with the resolvconf package? Meaning is it still ok to use it? I am asking because there are lots of other tools that are not supposed to be used, like ifconfig, iwconfig, and other network tools.
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1870 [21:33:13] <apollo13> I mean depending on what you use, you might not need it :)
1871 [21:33:26] <apollo13> it is not deprecated afaik
1872 [21:34:31] <oxek> I need it because wireguard needs it to set DNS
1873 [21:34:47] <oxek> I see there's openresolv in the repos too, and it too provides /sbin/resolvconf
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1875 [21:35:42] <apollo13> wireguard needs it? that would be news, maybe wg-quick or another wrapper script
1876 [21:35:50] <apollo13> but I don't think wireguard can be bothered with dns
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1878 [21:37:26] <oxek> yeah, wg-quick
1879 [21:37:57] <oxek> I know DNS on linux is an absolute mess with 10s of ways of doing it
1880 [21:38:48] <apollo13> fwiw you do not need resolvconf for that
1881 [21:39:02] <apollo13> for instance on my box resolveconf is linked to resolvectl
1882 [21:39:24] <apollo13> because I have systemd-resolved running
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1884 [21:40:03] <oxek> that's exactly what I had, and it did not work
1885 [21:40:22] <oxek> I had a link in /usr/local/bin/resolvconf that linked to the resolvectl, and it was not working with wireguard
1886 [21:40:36] <oxek> it silently failed, and DNS was not set
1887 [21:40:49] <apollo13> I have /usr/sbin/resolvconf linking to ../bin/resolvectl
1888 [21:41:06] <oxek> so I removed that link and am looking for alternative, which appears to be resolvconf, but resolvconf itself appears to have a different implementation called openresolv
1889 [21:41:09] <oxek> it's a mess really
1890 [21:41:12] <apollo13> I mean resolvectl doesn't mimic resolveconf 100% so …
1891 [21:41:23] <oxek> yeah, in my case it did not
1892 [21:41:48] <oxek> looks like resolvconf is a debian project, so I'll try that first
1893 [21:41:51] <oxek> wish me luck
1894 [21:42:11] <apollo13> well I am not using wg-quick either so…
1895 [21:42:24] <apollo13> systemd-networkd has good enough support for wireguard :)
1896 [21:42:33] <oxek> I'm using a script from VPN provider that internally calls wg-quick
1897 [21:42:40] <apollo13> makes sense
1898 [21:43:15] <oxek> unfortunately this script generates a new wg.conf file in /etc/wireguard/ on each invocation, so I cannot use the systemd way
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1902 [21:48:42] <taman> oxek, case it helps, it's possible to use wireguard without resolvconf and with ifupdown, at least it seems to work for me.
1903 [21:48:47] <converge> when I do arecord -l to list audio devices, should my bluetooth headphone be listed there?
1904 [21:49:08] <apollo13> yeah without resolvconf it simply won't change DNS I guess
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1907 [21:51:01] <taman> Yes, it makes the same dns queries as before, just over the vpn now, so far as I can tell.
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1911 [21:54:04] <oxek> taman: I'd need to use the preup/postdown scripts somehow, but that would make a mess because the VPN provider creates the config file
1912 [21:54:26] <oxek> I'm testing resolvconf now
1913 [21:54:43] <apollo13> does the VPN provider change ip and/or key everytime?
1914 [21:55:05] <solrize> not sure if #debian is the right place to mention this instead of #openssl but i notice i can't connect to apple.new:443 with openssl's default CA store in debian 10. it uses apple's CA cert which is signed by geotrust and which is recognized by firefox, so openssl and firefox are out of sync. i haven't checked whether geotrust is recognized, whether the proper signing OIDs are there, etc.
1915 [21:55:14] <taman> That seems a bit weird, changing the conf every time. Why complicate it?
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1917 [21:56:10] <GNU\colossus> solrize, ftr, apple.new doesn't even resolve for me..
1918 [21:56:19] <GNU\colossus> (is that a valid gTLD?)
1919 [21:57:11] <oxek> apollo13: yes, changes IP, ports and keys every time
1920 [21:57:20] <oxek> hence can't keep a static .conf file
1921 [21:57:37] <apollo13> GNU\colossus: everything nowadays is a valid TLD if you pay enough ;)
1922 [21:57:43] <apollo13> (some rules still apply, but…)
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1925 [21:58:07] <GNU\colossus> apollo13, I know, but maybe for .new, noone yet has
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1929 [22:02:52] <apollo13> GNU\colossus: replaced-url
1930 [22:03:27] <mutante> replaced-url
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1932 [22:03:41] <mutante> redirects to some hosting site it seems
1933 [22:04:42] <oxek> ok, resolvconf does not work, the DNS server disappers from it after a while
1934 [22:04:56] <oxek> trying openresolv
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1936 [22:05:06] <apollo13> disappears after a while?
1937 [22:05:12] <oxek> yeah
1938 [22:05:26] <apollo13> that sounds as if you have another system running that tries to manage it
1939 [22:05:32] <apollo13> like network manager or so
1940 [22:05:33] <oxek> probably systemd...
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1956 [22:17:26] <oxek> so far, openresolv seems to work. It adds the VPN provider DNS server and removes all others from /etc/resolv.conf, and it seems to stick
1957 [22:17:32] <oxek> possibly related replaced-url
1958 [22:17:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1964 [22:25:14] <oxek> wait a moment, I just realized something
1965 [22:25:22] <oxek> the person who reported that is the wireguard dev
1966 [22:25:35] <oxek> so I should definitely try using openresolv then
1967 [22:25:40] <converge> after connect a bluetooth headphone, should I see a new audio device with "arecord -l" ?
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1969 [22:26:34] <bru> converge: If your Bluetooth headphone has a microphone, it should. For playback devices the command is "aplay -l"
1970 [22:27:15] <another> be sure to enable the right profile
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1974 [22:29:43] <converge> does profiles are set in the pavucontrol?
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1985 [22:33:29] <another> i believe so
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2011 [22:58:01] <jhutchins> oxek: apple.new does not resolve on two different networks.
2012 [22:58:12] <jhutchins> oxek: You're doing this with a container, aren't you?
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2030 [23:13:15] <oxek> jhutchins: was that meant for me?
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2034 [23:14:45] <jhutchins> oxek: Yes.
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2036 [23:15:58] <oxek> jhutchins: not doing this in a container, this is a real machine
2037 [23:16:06] <jhutchins> Ah.
2038 [23:16:10] <oxek> and I don't know what this apple.new is
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2040 [23:16:46] <jhutchins> I probably mis-read something.
2041 [23:16:59] <oxek> so far, openresolv seems to work
2042 [23:17:04] <jhutchins> oxek: apple.new isn't anyhting.
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2044 [23:17:40] <jhutchins> resolvconf works too, you just have to understand the mechanism.
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2046 [23:17:53] <oxek> yeah, and I don't understand it :)
2047 [23:18:06] <oxek> whereas openresolv just works without me understanding it
2048 [23:18:13] <jhutchins> oxek: ... and the system's working for you now, so go with it.
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2050 [23:18:31] <oxek> will see if anything breaks on next dhcp renew, and on reboots
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2053 [23:19:39] <jhutchins> ,v openresolv
2054 [23:19:40] <judd> Package: openresolv on amd64 -- buster: 3.8.0-1; stretch: 3.8.0-1; bullseye: 3.10.0-1; sid: 3.10.0-1
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2056 [23:19:59] <jhutchins> ,v resolvconf
2057 [23:20:00] <judd> Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- jessie: 1.76.1; buster: 1.79; stretch: 1.79; bullseye: 1.84; sid: 1.84
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2078 [23:44:56] <converge> Im trying to setup the microphone of my headphone, I can hear the headphone output/audio, but the mic. isnt working. any tip how could I make it work? "pactl list cards" shows this replaced-url
2079 [23:46:31] <jhutchins> !alsa checklist
2080 [23:46:32] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
2081 [23:46:43] <jhutchins> Similar procedure for a mic.
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2083 [23:47:29] <jhutchins> converge: Are you sure the jack supports headphones/mic? Thate requires a third contact that is oftn on a separate jack on soundcards and desktops.
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2088 [23:48:51] <converge> jhutchins, I mean, its a bluetooth device
2089 [23:49:12] <converge> device=headphone
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2093 [23:50:34] <converge> using "alsamixer", and listening the (sound cards), I should see something related to my headphone right? I see only hda nvidia and hd-audio(onboard audio)
2094 [23:51:18] <another> "Active Profile: a2dp_sink"
2095 [23:51:38] <converge> listening/listing
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2100 [23:53:38] <converge> another, how is that done..?
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2104 [23:58:08] <another> should be: pacmd set-card-profile 2 head_unit
2105 [23:59:03] <another> or pavucontrol's Configuration tab
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