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• 27[00:27:46] <converge> I just installed Deepin, but I have no wired network available. if I do lshw -C network I can see my ethernet device. ifconfig shows only lo , any tip how could I fix it?
• 28[00:27:57] <sney> !deepin
• 29[00:27:57] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
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• 37[00:33:53] <trui> well, i used lvdisplay, followed by lvremove, vgremove, and pvremove and now the lvm stuff is thankfully gone, but that's certainly an interesting way of doing things.
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• 41[00:35:04] <scruloose> Is there any right/sane/general way to set an environment variable for all users on all session types but where I can count on eg XDG_RUNTIME_DIR being set already (so I can use its value in my env-var)?
• 42[00:35:16] <greycat> No, there is not.
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• 44[00:35:44] <greycat> I've been trying to find one for over a decade. There is none.
• 45[00:35:58] <scruloose> On one hand it's good to know it's not just me...
• 46[00:36:25] <scruloose> Do you have a preferred least-hacky method?
• 47[00:36:45] <greycat> Know what login methods/shells your local users are using and cover all of those, with whatever works.
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• 50[00:37:56] <scruloose> Ugh. That's exactly the answer I was hoping not to get
• 51[00:38:26] <freem> few years ago, I've used a "desktop wiki" coded in python, can't remember the name... do you know any tool like that?
• 52[00:38:51] <greycat> moin is in python, but I don't know what a "desktop wiki" is
• 53[00:39:06] <mrkramps> zim?
• 54[00:39:11] <freem> yes, zim, thanks
• 55[00:39:35] <mrkramps> rednotebook could be python as well
• 56[00:39:42] <dob1> ulimit -n indicates the max number of files opened?
• 57[00:39:53] <freem> I don't really care about underlying tech, as long as it's not in JS tbh
• 58[00:39:53] <greycat> "ulimit -a" shows them all with labels
• 59[00:39:53] <scruloose> On a related note, how do I find out what sets my default user environment and where it gets its info from? I keep digging, but I haven't yet found a config file that actually defines most of them
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• 61[00:40:20] <greycat> scruloose: it's not one place. It's MANY places, all different, all acting at different times.
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• 63[00:40:33] <dob1> greycat, ok but how can I know the current value of open files ?
• 64[00:40:41] <greycat> dob1: ulimit -a
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• 66[00:41:13] <dob1> greycat, this is the max number, isn't it?
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• 70[00:41:27] <greycat> if you mean "I have a program that opens lots of files, and it's running right now, and I want to know how many that program has open right now", lsof is good.
• 71[00:41:50] <dob1> this
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• 73[00:42:15] <greycat> it sounds like you're confused and think it applies to all of your processes added together or something. it's not. it's per process.
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• 75[00:43:14] <anarchocommunism> I have SHA512SUMS.sign and SHA512SUMS, how do I use gpg to check the integrity of SHA512SUMS?
• 76[00:44:17] <trui> so, i mounted the mystery 1 gb partition. it has efi, extlinux, grub2, a couple configs, initramfs-5.6.6, vmlinuz rescue, etc. is this my grub partition?
• 77[00:44:18] <dob1> greycat, ah !
• 78[00:45:02] <dob1> it's 1024 so a standard value?
• 79[00:46:59] <trui> me? dob1
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• 81[00:47:18] <dob1> trui, no sorry
• 82[00:47:47] <trui> np. i really should take notes when i install these things, lol
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• 84[00:49:07] <mirrorbird> do hot chicks use Debian
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• 86[00:49:39] <trui> i've got my root partition marked as boot, my home partition and swap partition, and this 1 gb partition which i forget why it exists, which has the above in it. i guess it is grub, not i'm not sure.
• 87[00:49:51] <trui> s/not/but
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• 90[00:50:35] <trui> it has a protected folder called grub2 in it so signs seem to be pointing to yes.
• 91[00:50:36] <gnat_x> anarchocommunism: what are you trying to check?
• 92[00:50:39] <Somelauw> is way to automatically integrate flatpak and nix with apt, so i don't need to separately update everything?
• 93[00:50:56] <anarchocommunism> I have a SHA512SUMS file
• 94[00:51:00] <anarchocommunism> I want to verify it
• 95[00:51:06] <anarchocommunism> I have gpg
• 96[00:51:08] <gnat_x> anarchocommunism: that the signed version matches the SHA512SUMS file?
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• 98[00:51:28] <anarchocommunism> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
• 99[00:51:31] <Somelauw> I also believe there might be a problem with current libreoffice in debian testing. It hangs when launching.
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• 101[00:51:48] <greycat> !debian-next
• 102[00:51:48] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 103[00:52:06] <Somelauw> oh, this debian stable only?
• 104[00:52:30] <alex11> and oldstable up to a point
• 105[00:52:37] <Somelauw> why not put everything on one irc network?
• 106[00:52:45] <trui> they did
• 107[00:52:53] <trui> this is the unofficial chat
• 108[00:52:54] <greycat> !oftc move
• 109[00:52:54] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 110[00:53:01] <alex11> freenode moved to oftc which is the 'official' debian network but they kept this channel alive
• 111[00:53:04] <alex11> on freenode
• 112[00:53:08] <anarchocommunism> gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign
• 113[00:53:09] <anarchocommunism> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
• 114[00:53:13] <alex11> er, sorry, debian* moved to oftc
• 115[00:53:38] <greycat> The Debian developers almost all moved to OFTC. Most of the users didn't.
• 116[00:53:52] <trui> keeping the freenode one around is convenient since everyone uses freenode
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• 118[00:54:18] <Somelauw> but nobody uses debian stable (it's so old :-p)
• 119[00:54:21] <trui> and it's often a default server in lots of irc clients, so people don't need to know how to add a network
• 120[00:54:28] <trui> i use debian stable
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• 122[00:54:49] <mutante> Somelauw: you are right, we gotta get away from the stretch boxes
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• 124[00:55:07] <Somelauw> i think using firefox esr is a mistake, because github rejects it and most people here probably use github
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• 126[00:55:19] <trui> i tried fedora to experience 'the latest and greatest' once, but i got bored.
• 127[00:55:44] <greycat> github rejects it... I somehow doubt this.
• 128[00:56:03] <mutante> yea, that's not true. i can open github.com just fine
• 129[00:56:04] <greycat> I also doubt that "most people here use github", but that's a different matter.
• 130[00:56:12] <mutante> doesn't mean I use it
• 131[00:56:28] <sney> Somelauw: this is a support channel, so complaining about developer decisions will fall on deaf ears here. if you have a suggestion, feel free to file a bug report. also, the whole point of flatpak is isolation, so no, you cannot combine it with apt.
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• 133[00:57:46] <alex11> what the hell kind of specious reasoning is that lol
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• 136[00:58:05] <anarchocommunism> when using gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys
• 137[00:58:06] <Somelauw> well, github kinda works suboptimal in default firefox and many websites, but I'll shut up. Not here to get in an argument.
• 138[00:58:09] <greycat> We do not control what the Debian developers do. That's all. If you want to talk to them about it, they're over there ---->
• 139[00:58:28] <trui> so assuming the 1 gb partition is the grub partition, can i move it safely while booted into debian? it's located in an awkward spot, surrounded by unallocated space, now that i got rid of fedora.
• 140[00:58:30] <anarchocommunism> which public key do I need to verify SHA512SUMS.sign
• 141[00:58:41] <anarchocommunism> this isn't easy to work out
• 142[00:58:51] <Ede|Popede> github maybe does the usual "old browser, update. not supported anymore soon". but that's what they all did. it usually works until they break something willingly.
• 143[00:58:52] <gnat_x> anarchocommunism: you're trying to verify a package, or install image?
• 144[00:59:04] <anarchocommunism> debian-10.7.0-amd64-netinst
• 145[00:59:14] <anarchocommunism> I want to verify the checksum
• 146[00:59:18] <mutante> Wow, we just had this exact same issue the other day.
• 147[00:59:35] <anarchocommunism> before I compute the checksum of the isntaller
• 148[00:59:41] <gnat_x> anarchocommunism: replaced-url
• 149[00:59:58] <LtL> anarchocommunism: gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS
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• 151[01:00:29] <mutante> opening the start page of github.com made my fan go loud.. what a crappy page
• 152[01:00:56] <anarchocommunism> gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS
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• 154[01:01:29] <anarchocommunism> hmnmm
• 155[01:01:37] <greycat> github.com opens fine for me in firefox-esr but I may not be seeing all of it because I've got NoScript on that browser
• 156[01:01:43] <anarchocommunism> I think I need to import a public key?
• 157[01:01:44] <mutante> and then the childish cartoon character.. are they trying to appeal to gamers instead of coders now
• 158[01:01:46] <sney> when you open a webpage and your computer starts making fan noise, it means your computer is happy to render that webpage. it's a good webpage.
• 159[01:02:53] <greycat> It's your computer's heavy breathing. It's very excited.
• 160[01:02:55] <trui> dang, you're right, mutante
• 161[01:03:29] <trui> i mean, discord does that too, but that's discord
• 162[01:04:01] <sney> in all seriousness, overdoing it with javascript has been the trend in web development for >5 years now, and we're all just dealing with it in various ways. mozilla ESRing a specific firefox version, or any debian version freezes, are not at fault.
• 163[01:04:20] <greycat> lot more than 5 years
• 164[01:04:27] <gnat_x> i was about to say...
• 165[01:04:29] <sney> that's what the > refers to, yes
• 166[01:04:33] <Somelauw> sney: it keeps the computer fit by regularly working the cpu muscles, very much needed with all this quarantaine business
• 167[01:04:39] <trui> there's this newspaper i read that heats up my phone if i read some of their articles.
• 168[01:04:47] <trui> because they use ten million animations.
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• 170[01:05:11] <trui> fortunately i can just read the pdf version then, but yeesh.
• 171[01:05:13] <gnat_x> news sites are among the worst.
• 172[01:05:27] <gnat_x> reader-mode helps with that tood.
• 173[01:05:31] <greycat> anything run by a corporation is the worst
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• 175[01:05:38] <trui> good idea
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• 177[01:05:43] <greycat> corporations make web sites fit only for idiots
• 178[01:06:08] <greycat> P.S. github is owned by Microsoft now
• 179[01:06:21] <Somelauw> just read normal news websites like bbc, aljazeera, euronews, guardian, no heating nonsense
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• 181[01:06:36] <trui> though i use their app and most of the articles are fine and conveniently formatted for easy reading. but then they occassionally have the special articles
• 182[01:06:41] <Somelauw> but they do want something more modern than firefox esr, which is really old :-p
• 183[01:06:57] <greycat> If you think that, you are already an idiot.
• 184[01:07:00] <trui> how is it really old?
• 185[01:07:01] <greycat> So you'll fit right in.
• 186[01:07:08] <trui> it's less than a year old.
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• 188[01:07:39] <trui> literally always less than a year old
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• 191[01:08:37] <trui> iirc anyways
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• 195[01:12:47] <Ede|Popede> esr is every 7 releases, each of which lives for 6 weeks, or 4 weeks now if wikipedia isn't lying.
• 196[01:14:19] <Somelauw> so what does firefox --version report for you?
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• 201[01:15:10] <sney> Firefox-esr in buster is at 78.5.0, which mozilla released last month: replaced-url
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• 203[01:17:45] <Somelauw> hmm, that's very strange, because i'm on bullseye and I get 54.0-2
• 204[01:19:15] <abrotman> Somelauw: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade in bullseye?
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• 206[01:19:51] <Somelauw> yesterday, I did apt update && apt full-upgrade
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• 210[01:20:24] <abrotman> Somelauw: you may want to pastebin your sources
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• 214[01:21:59] <Somelauw> mainly, just deb replaced-url
• 215[01:22:01] <Somelauw> deb-src replaced-url
• 216[01:22:10] <abrotman> but nothing is commented out?
• 217[01:22:16] <abrotman> nothing is on hold?
• 218[01:22:53] <abrotman> what is "apt-cache policy firefox-esr"
• 219[01:24:29] <Somelauw> abrotman: hmm, it's replaced-url
• 220[01:24:33] <Somelauw> not sure what happened there
• 221[01:25:48] <abrotman> Somelauw: did you put anything in your preferences to enact Pinning?
• 222[01:26:13] <abrotman> oh, just `apt install firefox-esr` .. does that resolve it?
• 223[01:26:19] <Somelauw> sudo apt firefox does nothing, but sudo apt firefox-esr wants to install something new
• 224[01:26:37] <Somelauw> maybe at some point I wanted something newer than firefox-esr, but I don't remember
• 225[01:27:59] <Somelauw> maybe firefox used to be in debian backports long long ago
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• 228[01:28:33] <abrotman> you need a verb .. apt install firefox-esr
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• 232[01:29:18] <Somelauw> then also uninstall firefox
• 233[01:29:29] <Somelauw> so i get one version
• 234[01:32:09] <Ede|Popede> btw what was the command to get the list of packages on hold?
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• 239[01:35:17] <anarchocommunism> where can I obtain the signature for the Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>
• 240[01:36:08] <anarchocommunism> I get the warning This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
• 241[01:37:20] <sney> !crosspost
• 242[01:37:21] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
• 243[01:37:34] <Somelauw> Ede|Popede: apt-mark showhold
• 244[01:37:46] <Somelauw> which for me is empty
• 245[01:38:12] <Ede|Popede> ah thanks. wouldn't have expected -mark to be the one.
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• 247[01:38:45] <Somelauw> yes, I think they wanted to unify everything under apt or maybe I misunderstood and they don't
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• 252[01:42:11] <Ede|Popede> i have some office entries only in it. which is weird. because update && upgrade has a long list in "The following packages have been kept back:"
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• 254[01:43:03] <Ede|Popede> a lot more office, also jre and firefox. hm.
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• 259[01:47:06] <Somelauw> hmm, maybe you use upgrade instead of full-upgrade, because upgrade doesn't want to remove older packages
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• 261[01:47:58] <Somelauw> Can i get a list of software i installed without using apt? or that is no longer available?
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• 264[01:50:34] <Ede|Popede> no. i do NOT want automatic firefox updates. i don't trust its versions.
• 265[01:50:43] <anarchocommunism> Thanks for the help
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• 268[01:51:15] <Ede|Popede> and i added jre and office to some list because unpacking all their xz tarballs is just too much for this pc
• 269[01:51:35] <abrotman> Ede|Popede: replaced-url
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• 271[01:51:45] <abrotman> I think, maybe, that might still work
• 272[01:52:09] <abrotman> Not sure if any of the other front ends have a better way to search
• 273[01:52:35] <Ede|Popede> abrotman: i used aptitude in the past, just for convenience, but the thing i wanted most, having multiple tabs for dependencies, instantly crashed it. so with the next installation i went to apt-*
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• 311[02:24:21] <imthenachoman> Does anyone have experience with psadwatchd on Debian systems?
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• 317[02:27:20] <ratrace> !anyone
• 318[02:27:20] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 328[02:34:43] <trui> well, deleting the partition which appeared to be a seperate partition for the boot of my fedora install (which i already had deleted) seemed to not affect things.
• 329[02:35:19] <trui> having two grub folders and deleting one of them made me worry slightly, but it looks like it's fine, lol. yolo?
• 330[02:36:43] <trui> i had my debian kernels in my debian boot, and my main grub config in same boot, and my fedora kernels in the other boot, along with an apparently unused grub folder? weird. at least, weird to me.
• 331[02:39:13] <trui> that's enough messing with partitions for a few days. i do want to try sid out sometime though, in a seperate partition. hopefully that'll be less messy.
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• 344[02:49:58] <Zathras> trui, unless you like fiddling around with partitions, consider virtualisation for experiments
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• 351[02:59:06] <trui> Zathras: i'm not sure if my old thinkpad would like virtualization, but maybe.
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• 356[03:02:17] <henko> trui: how old is your thinkpad? what family of CPU do you have?
• 357[03:03:18] <henko> trui: I think everything from westmere forward is good enough for virtualization
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• 369[03:07:25] <trui> westmere, but i've had it for 9-10 years lol
• 370[03:08:12] <trui> the cpu can do a lot. it's more a question of what it can do without getting hot
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• 373[03:08:57] <Hooloovo0> I've had westmere laptops that are fine with doing vm stuff, and some that aren't. really depends on the thermal design
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• 375[03:09:24] <Hooloovo0> the slim/tablet ones are pretty bad, all the others are decent, in my experience
• 376[03:09:26] <mirrorbird> how do i find hot chicks who like debian
• 377[03:09:34] <trui> mine is a t410 and i think people have said it's not ideal
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• 380[03:10:14] <Hooloovo0> I don't have experience with that one, but I do with all the other full-size (not slim, tablet) westmere thinkpads
• 381[03:10:21] <henko> I'm running X220T right now with 16GiB RAM and it runs a hypervisor just fine
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• 384[03:10:46] <henko> maybe repasting would help?
• 385[03:10:56] <Hooloovo0> x201, t510, w701 all run VMs fine; kind of surprised that the t410 would be different
• 386[03:11:04] <Hooloovo0> yeah, that's a definite possibility
• 387[03:11:11] <trui> it might, but i dont know who to get to do that
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• 389[03:11:34] <Hooloovo0> iirc t410 has the same heatsink as the t510, or that might be {4,5}00
• 390[03:11:40] <trui> while having it covered if it breaks
• 391[03:11:57] <henko> trui: what do you mean?
• 392[03:11:59] <trui> and i really don't trust myself to do it
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• 394[03:12:27] <trui> i hear removing old thermal paste is risky
• 395[03:12:38] <Hooloovo0> not if you're careful
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• 397[03:13:09] <trui> i shake too much to be careful myself, so i'd need to find someone else
• 398[03:13:11] <henko> trui: why would that be? repasted every laptop until now without problems
• 399[03:13:15] <Hooloovo0> isopropyl alcohol and lint-free paper (coffee filter) will do the job
• 400[03:14:17] <trui> if my hand didn't spasm randomly it might work, but alas
• 401[03:14:42] <trui> i might do it successfully, but i don't want to take the risk
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• 403[03:15:25] <henko> Hooloovo0: how is the cooling from a T Thinkpad compared to X? I
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• 406[03:16:02] <henko> I'm running mostly X variants because they are light, silent and have also 16GiB RAM... so enough for me
• 407[03:16:03] <henko> I
• 408[03:16:20] <henko> I've never run into thermal issues with the good ol' X series
• 409[03:16:33] <trui> it runs at 40-60C for most things i use it for
• 410[03:17:10] <Hooloovo0> hendursaga, I don't have experience with anything later than the westmere ones, so idk
• 411[03:17:16] <trui> doing the full backup i accidentally did earlier had it at 67C
• 412[03:17:21] <Hooloovo0> I've had thermal issues on my x201t
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• 414[03:17:35] <Hooloovo0> never had thermal issues on any of the others, except dead fans
• 415[03:18:33] <trui> so yeah, it's a matter of paying someone to do it that i trust, or doing it myself. both which are kind of risky
• 416[03:19:02] <trui> and it's working for what i use it for so eh
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• 421[03:19:39] <henko> trui: I don't know if you have a health condition with your arm, but usually the trickiest part is to remember where the screws and alle the parts went ^^
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• 423[03:20:02] <trui> i've got a tremor ;) just in general
• 424[03:20:08] <henko> but yeah I get that... as long as it runs and you are okay with that everything is fine :)
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• 430[03:21:13] <trui> if the thermal paste was completely not there, i'd assume that'd be an issue, but i'm wondering if that's the case
• 431[03:21:33] <henko> my thinkpad X220T i5 runs 40°C with repasting when doing light work :) while being docked in the ultrabase
• 432[03:21:44] <trui> i dont think i'm just relying on my fan, but maybe?
• 433[03:22:00] <henko> mostly the issue with termal paste is that it dries out with time
• 434[03:22:22] <henko> and it is usually not a bad thing to do, because lowering systems temps will keep your laptop alive longer
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• 437[03:22:34] <trui> yeah. the 40C is only with openbox on powersave though, lol
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• 440[03:23:43] <trui> i guess i could see if i could pay someone.
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• 443[03:27:32] <henko> mirrorbird: dunno but maybe you buy this tshirt and you might get lucky replaced-url
• 444[03:27:55] <mirrorbird> thanks henko
• 445[03:28:02] <mirrorbird> you take me seriously
• 446[03:28:04] <mirrorbird> no one else does
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• 451[03:29:45] <trui> this one place charges $80 for dust removal and cleaning, oof, lol. don't even know if that'd include paste
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• 453[03:30:12] <henko> trui: ask a friend to do it with you :)
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• 458[03:32:05] <trui> s/with/for? ;) i really doubt i'd be steady enough
• 459[03:32:22] <trui> and i don't have any tech friends around here
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• 461[03:32:46] <trui> anyways, i'll look at my options later
• 462[03:33:10] <ectospasm> trui: You could contact your local Linux Users Group (LUG). I'm sure someone there would be happy to help, for free.
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• 471[03:40:08] <trui> ectospasm: good idea. this year does make that a bit awkward though, but i should probably check it out in general. i need to get out more.
• 472[03:40:27] <ectospasm> Yeah, COVID notwithstanding.
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• 476[03:45:10] <mirrorbird> trui can you clean me for $80
• 477[03:46:36] <henko> trui: my offer $70
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• 482[03:51:44] <GenTooMan> ectospasm depends if the local linux user group is still functioning.
• 483[03:52:21] <ectospasm> GenTooMan: true enough, it can be difficult in these times.
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• 485[03:52:36] <ectospasm> I haven't sought out a LUG since before I moved to Atlanta.
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• 487[03:55:54] <henko> I recommend using liquid metal for even lower temps :), but be careful you don't short something
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• 490[03:58:29] <trui> brb
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• 524[04:44:42] <henko> what problem are you encountering?
• 525[04:45:05] <queip> henko: can't get more FPS than I have refresh rate, and Im testing game performance
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• 528[04:45:37] <queip> glxgears says: "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate."
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• 530[04:46:59] <queip> hm this isn't display fault, vblank_mode=0 glxgears works fine, 2500 fps
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• 543[05:25:57] <trui> wow, i just watched a video of someone replacing the paste on the t410 and it's more disassembly than i thought
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• 547[05:26:39] <Hooloovo0> yeah, it's quite a bit
• 548[05:27:02] <trui> hah, if i could get through all that without breaking something, i'd find the paste itself easy in comparison
• 549[05:27:30] <Hooloovo0> honestly? if you do break a tab or two, it's not a big deal
• 550[05:28:41] <trui> so even if i find a friend or a linux user group to do it, i'm definitely paying them.
• 551[05:28:43] <Hooloovo0> I've incrementally replaced every single part of my t510 except the wifi card and the case
• 552[05:29:09] <trui> or donating, whatever they prefer
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• 554[05:29:46] <trui> haha, nicely done
• 555[05:30:00] <trui> i replaced my harddrive. that was easy
• 556[05:30:23] <trui> everything else, not as much
• 557[05:37:12] <trui> though i always have a tremor, doing stuff more often builds confidence. i actually do have a cheap, broken laptop that i could practice on.
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• 559[05:38:08] <trui> i've been thinking of taking it apart for a while
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• 675[08:05:36] <archaeopter> Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited have a qurestion on unstable :/
• 676[08:06:03] <sney> !invite only
• 677[08:06:03] <dpkg> Many debian channels are on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you try to join one and you see "Cannot join (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 684[08:09:09] <archaeopter> thx!
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• 800[10:33:48] <hudo> what is the default vncserver in buster ? vino or tigervnc ?
• 801[10:34:34] <Haohmaru> "default" !?
• 802[10:36:18] <hudo> maybe a vncserver is installed when a "normal graphic installation" takes place with lets say ssh, webserver
• 803[10:37:23] <Haohmaru> if some package depends on a certain flavor of vnc server, the sure
• 804[10:38:45] <hudo> I have here 3 vm with buster installed and saw that on all 3 exists the package vino. VNC is used only with one vm, where tigervnc-standalone-server ist installed
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• 807[10:39:53] <jelly> hudo: vino seems to come with gnome
• 808[10:40:11] <hudo> the problem is, I observed when the tigervnc runs, and a client ist connected, lets say a week, even without doing something, tigervnc ( the server ) grabs more and more memory ...
• 809[10:40:21] <jelly> and gnome is what gets installed if you choose debian desktop environment during installation
• 810[10:41:01] <hudo> so my real question would be, has someone experienced the same effects when using vino ??
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• 816[10:54:19] <ksk> ,info vina
• 817[10:54:20] <judd> No package named 'vina' was found in buster/amd64.
• 818[10:54:23] <ksk> ,info vino
• 819[10:54:24] <judd> Package vino (gnome, optional) in buster/amd64: VNC server for GNOME. Version: 3.22.0-5; Size: 402.3k; Installed: 2241k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 821[10:56:31] <ksk> hudo: Can you epxlain to me the relationship between tigervnc and vino? I dont really get how you are using the latter, when tigervnc-server is already your vnc-server of choice here..
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• 823[10:57:15] <ksk> also, what does "more and more memory" mean in terms of MB? (The dirty solution would be to make the service restart every 24h or so)
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• 829[11:01:41] <jelly> ksk: they're asking for alternatives, I guess
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• 831[11:02:42] <jelly> restarting the vnc server regularly will probably kill any running session
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• 834[11:05:48] <ksk> I see, thanks. I have had good experiences with "x11vnc" - but I have never been running sessions for that long.
• 835[11:06:28] <jelly> x11vnc connects to an existing X11 session so does not have that problem
• 836[11:07:33] <jelly> but a "normal" vnc servers on Linux starts their own separate X11 session
• 837[11:08:09] <jelly> (I have no idea what vino does. DE-specific tools make me nervous)
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• 841[11:10:54] <dermoth> Hi... From the latest Thunderbird update changelog: "Instead Thunderbird now has Built-In OpenPGP support since version 78.0. The latest version of the Enigmail Add-on (>= 2.2) will provide an migration wizard which helps to migrate the existing OpenPGP keys into Thunderbird."
• 842[11:11:46] <dermoth> On Enigmail I can nee no plans of a Thunderbird 2.2 plugin release.. at least not in <72...
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• 844[11:12:08] <dermoth> I meant not in >=72
• 845[11:12:26] <dermoth> and no mention of a migration wizard
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• 848[11:14:10] <dermoth> oh... there is one provided by the os... sorry I must have missed it
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• 851[11:15:12] <wsky> is there a reason for why debian installer made my swap partition 1GB while i got 8GB of RAM?\
• 852[11:15:30] <wsky> this is uncomfortable, now i need to resize my lvm containers
• 853[11:15:43] <wsky> i want it to be 8GB since i hibernate from time to time
• 854[11:16:07] <dermoth> wsky, you can create on-disk files for swap
• 855[11:16:30] <wsky> i know but afaik it wont allow me to hibernate
• 856[11:16:43] <wsky> i know i can falloc
• 857[11:16:48] <dermoth> I have 16G ram, a 4g swap, 16g file swap, and I can hybernate
• 858[11:16:58] <wsky> ok i'll try
• 859[11:17:01] <wsky> falloc time
• 860[11:17:27] <dermoth> wait
• 861[11:18:31] <dermoth> just make sure you set priority right, else if you hybernate from systemd it may try to write the restart seuff in the swapfile and it will fail.. I ran into this a while back... other methose of hibernating did work though
• 862[11:18:50] <dermoth> priority for the partition must be lower
• 863[11:20:04] <jelly> wsky: 1GB is a sane amount for most purposes, _except_ as a hibernation backend, if that's the new default it's a reasonable default
• 864[11:20:25] <wsky> ok it hibernates, lets see will it resume
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• 866[11:21:14] <wsky> it did not resume correwctly
• 867[11:21:30] <dermoth> have you set & mounter swaps with the right prioritied?
• 868[11:21:36] <dermoth> priorities
• 869[11:21:40] <wsky> how?
• 870[11:22:34] <dermoth> <part> none swap sw,pri=0 0 0
• 871[11:22:42] <dermoth> woops
• 872[11:22:56] <dermoth> <part>none swap sw,pri=0 0 0
• 873[11:23:02] <dermoth> weird
• 874[11:23:08] <dermoth> normally it keeps newlines when I paste
• 875[11:23:19] <wsky> i just disabled the 1G partition, it still does not resume correctly
• 876[11:23:22] <dermoth> oh of course, 2nd line is /swap - an irc command :(
• 877[11:23:36] <dermoth> no it has to use the partitipon
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• 879[11:23:45] <dermoth> apparently systemd picks the lowest priority
• 880[11:24:08] <wsky> now i only got the fallocated 8G swap file and it does not resume
• 881[11:24:27] <dermoth> <part> none swap sw,pri=0 0 0
• 882[11:24:27] <dermoth> <swapfile> none swap sw,pri=1 0 0
• 883[11:24:52] <wsky> yeah but now i had just one swap and it still didn't resume correctly
• 884[11:25:02] <dermoth> becuas eit's on a swap file
• 885[11:25:09] <dermoth> how will the lerned figure where that is?&
• 886[11:25:15] <dermoth> how will the kernel
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• 888[11:25:42] <wsky> that's what i said before, swap file wont do
• 889[11:25:50] <wsky> you claimed it will work
• 890[11:25:59] <dermoth> leave both, but set lower priority to the device
• 891[11:26:07] <wsky> ok let me try
• 892[11:26:41] <dermoth> This should really be documented somewhere - I had to debug initrd to figure that out
• 893[11:27:23] <dermoth> uswsusp wasn't affected though
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• 895[11:27:37] <dermoth> using s2disk
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• 897[11:28:00] <wsky> dermoth: ok works now, thank man, have a gingerbread
• 898[11:28:36] <wsky> :)
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• 900[11:29:47] <dermoth> now the one thing I haven't figured out is how to have systemd send a kill power command to my UPS after is suspended to ram but before powering down... :)
• 901[11:29:59] <dermoth> I meant suspended ot disk
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• 903[11:30:26] <dermoth> wsky if you were reading any king of documentation/faq on this consider updating it
• 904[11:30:44] <dermoth> for me it just stopped working, I ended up troubleshooting myself
• 905[11:31:04] <wsky> you mean documentation on suspend?
• 906[11:31:18] <wsky> i did read something but like 5 years ago or so
• 907[11:31:47] <dermoth> k nm... this needs to be documented somewhere though :)
• 908[11:32:17] <wsky> true
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• 917[11:36:26] <dermoth> wsky, is seems you can also pass the offset of your swapfile to grub...
• 918[11:36:51] <wsky> i didn't know that
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• 920[11:37:25] <dermoth> replaced-url
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• 922[11:37:32] <wsky> i was sticking to some docs that told me that you just cannot resume from a swap file
• 923[11:37:42] <dermoth> (near the bottom of the thread...)
• 924[11:38:26] <wsky> bookmarked, i might make use of it
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• 930[11:48:52] <dermoth> actually that thread has no reported success :/
• 931[11:50:42] <dermoth> replaced-url
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• 945[12:08:01] <shtrb> In reportbug if I get "If you want to provide additional information, please wait to receive the bug tracking number via email; you may then send any extra information to n@bugs.debian.org (e.g. nnnnnn@bugs.debian.org),
• 946[12:08:01] <shtrb> where n is the bug number. Normally you will receive an acknowledgement via email including the bug report number within an hour; if you haven't received a confirmation, then the bug reporting
• 947[12:08:01] <shtrb> process failed at some point (reportbug or MTA failure, BTS maintenance, etc.)." does it mean the message should had been sent ?
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• 950[12:09:30] <unborn> shtrb: perhaps email is still on its way.. how long that was send ago?
• 951[12:09:45] <shtrb> 30 minutes ago
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• 954[12:10:22] <unborn> shtrb: meh normally that should be done, perhaps give it 10 more mins.
• 955[12:10:53] <shtrb> lol thanks
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• 957[12:11:05] <shtrb> but based on the message it should have sent , correct ?
• 958[12:11:42] <unborn> shtrb: yes
• 959[12:11:51] <unborn> I think so too
• 960[12:12:24] <unborn> normally you would not got that nnnnnn....number if email was not sent
• 961[12:13:01] <shtrb> the nnn value is from the message (not me modifying it )
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• 973[12:22:21] <dermoth> wsky, btw another thing, if I recall correctly using automatic priorities (leaving the system assign -1, -2, etc to the swap) did not work
• 974[12:22:50] <wsky> i see, well i'm glad you helped me man, it's all good now
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• 976[12:23:09] <wsky> but this is knowledge you just don't enqouter easy anywhere on the internet
• 977[12:23:28] <wsky> i was lucky i met you
• 978[12:24:21] <wsky> i fully agree this should be included more openly in the documentation
• 979[12:24:44] <wsky> tho this is one of many things people should know so all together it makes a fat book
• 980[12:25:25] <dermoth> yeah incredible timing... I joined back yesterday for an odd issue, and agains today about that thunderbird upgrade... else I don't even autojoin #debian :D
• 981[12:26:34] <wsky> heh nice
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• 996[12:45:18] <dermoth> wsky, actually I think systemd might be using the file... I'm not sure how close it is to the code I was on with my issue, but it says "prefer resume device or highest priority swap with most remaining space" and does seem to support setting up resume offsets
• 997[12:46:07] <wsky> ;kidk
• 998[12:46:09] <wsky> idk
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• 1002[12:47:02] <dermoth> it's my main workstation, so I wont be testing now... but you did say file alone did not work?
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• 1005[12:47:44] <wsky> that's right
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• 1089[14:04:33] <wrn> Hello ! I am trying to install buster from a live usb stick in place of fedora on a laptop. The fedora has lvm2 volumes, and I want to keep /home untouched. Unfortunately, the installer doesn't see the volumes inside the lvm partition. Any hint on how to accomplish this ?
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• 1094[14:06:39] <tarzeau> wrn: alt-f2 vgchange -a y ?
• 1095[14:07:09] <tarzeau> wrn: lvs pvs vgs shows anything? before after the command?
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• 1098[14:07:50] <wrn> tarzeau, I will try this
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• 1114[14:18:36] <wrn> tarzeau, ok, lvs pvs vgs and vgchange are all "command not found" - It seems the live disk is missing some components. It doesn't find my wifi either, so I'm unable to apt install lvm2 now
• 1115[14:20:35] <otisolsen70> When I run 'atop' and press 'n', it says: "Kernel module 'netatop' not active or no root privs; request ignored". Is there any way to get ethe netatop kernel module in debian?
• 1116[14:20:43] <otisolsen70> Or are there plans for include it in debian 11?
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• 1118[14:23:01] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: can't find anything about it at replaced-url
• 1119[14:23:42] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: /me just apt-get source atop and grep -ri netatop .
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• 1123[14:24:36] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: the source says: replaced-url
• 1124[14:24:56] <otisolsen70> tarzeau, yeah, but I would like to keep things with debian provided stuff if possible.
• 1125[14:25:22] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: i see, but the debian atop package seems to be way outdated, and asking for a newer version for my sid kernel...
• 1126[14:25:38] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: i don't have a stable machine handy, so no idea what kernel you have.
• 1127[14:25:56] <otisolsen70> tarzeau, 4.19.0-13-amd64
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• 1131[14:26:41] <tarzeau> ah wait atop is 2.5.0, and netatop is a separate download/package that doesn't seem packaged, correct me if i'm wrong
• 1132[14:27:31] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: you'll want to wget replaced-url
• 1133[14:27:49] <tarzeau> tar xzvf it, run make, and load the built module to get netatop
• 1134[14:28:19] <tarzeau> on my sid it just built fine, also install target is available... modprobe netatop also worked
• 1135[14:28:28] <tarzeau> and then atop + n work :)
• 1136[14:29:59] <otisolsen70> tarzeau, will try, thanks
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• 1139[14:30:51] <tarzeau> otisolsen70: you'll want to request a package with RFP: netatop-dkms or so...
• 1140[14:31:20] <tarzeau> or package it right away you, then it's ITP: netatop-dkms (that name is just a guess, i've never done linux kernel modules packaging recently)
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• 1158[14:47:29] <f380cedric> hey, I am trying to install python3-uhd in experimental. However, it depends on python3 (<3.9) and 3.9 already landed on testing. Is there any *easy* solution instead of pulling src+dep and rebuild myself? Thx
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• 1163[14:50:12] <wrn> ok, I'm conncted - had to install iwlwifi from non free
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• 1166[14:54:10] <themill> f380cedric: if it hasn't been built against that version of the interpreter then it won't work. You'd need to rebuild it.
• 1167[14:54:14] <themill> !package recompile
• 1168[14:54:15] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) apt update; apt install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, apt install ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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• 1174[14:59:53] <f380cedric> themill well, if I cannot bypass the rebuild... Thx for the instructions!
• 1175[15:00:27] <themill> I would always ask why a package has only been uploaded to experimental and not to unstable.
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• 1181[15:03:10] <wrn> ok, lvm2 was not installed nor available in the live usb disk, so I had to first enable the wifi by installing iwlwifi from non-free from a usb key, then restart the network and finally install lvm2 - Fixed , ty for pointing me in the "missing stuff" direction tarzeau
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• 1183[15:05:49] <f380cedric> The lib has some breaking changes from 3.15. Not sure it work well with current gnuradio. Maybe that's why. But I need it and I don't like sudo make install :D
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• 1207[15:26:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
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• 1210[15:27:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> how does rsync figure out what files to sync first/last?
• 1211[15:27:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> is it in alpha order? files first?
• 1212[15:27:20] <wigums> MAGIC
• 1213[15:27:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> pbbt
• 1214[15:27:32] * Eryn_1983_FL makes zappin sounds
• 1215[15:27:44] <wigums> PEW PEW
• 1216[15:28:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> lightning bolt! lightning bolt!
• 1217[15:28:12] <wigums> lol
• 1218[15:28:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> do some larping this mornin..
• 1219[15:28:25] <tarzeau> for a moment, i thought this is #nethack
• 1220[15:28:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> whish i knew how to only sinks the movies i like to my hdd,
• 1221[15:29:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> too many tb not enough time,
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• 1223[15:29:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> if i had some sort of rating system it would be good but i dont have that
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• 1239[15:51:15] <gnat_x> Eryn_1983_FL: i forget exactly what order, but you could test it with a directory that has ~3 large files; start an rsync to a clean dir, then stop it, and see what fragment is in the new dir/
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• 1241[15:52:05] <gnat_x> Eryn_1983_FL: or really, i think you could dig through the source, and figure it out.
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• 1244[15:54:24] <shtrb> Anyone with Teams on debian can say if the see any dbus message when a message arrive ?
• 1245[15:57:04] <tarzeau> microsoft teams?
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• 1247[15:57:50] <shtrb> yes
• 1248[15:58:10] <shtrb> apt or flatpak
• 1249[15:58:26] <epitamizer> how come I get a different md5sum every time I tar an archive even though nothing has changed?
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• 1253[15:59:53] <nkuttler> epitamizer: tar is not deterministic? file metadata? just guessing..
• 1254[16:00:18] <shtrb> epitamizer, it shouldn't happen
• 1255[16:00:20] <epitamizer> what other tool should i be using to tell file integrity or change value?
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• 1257[16:00:52] <ratrace> epitamizer: are you sure nothing has changed. atime?
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• 1260[16:02:23] <epitamizer> i ran md5 against all the directory structure and all reports the same, so it must be some other attribute or setting that is changing the sum after re-tarring the archive
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• 1262[16:02:40] <shtrb> epitamizer, you should be safe enough with md5sum , you can also check internal files checksums , but tar does remember user ownership , and modification times , so a change in modification time ,user, group or even file mode would trigger a different output
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• 1265[16:03:28] <epitamizer> ok, so just need option to omit that during the calculation
• 1266[16:04:06] <shtrb> epitamizer : tar header has : filename , file mode , uid , gid , file size , modif time, checksum ,file type , link dest
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• 1269[16:06:35] <epitamizer> thats still odd why the md5sum check against individual files checks out, but the tar archive diffrent
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• 1272[16:07:33] <epitamizer> almost like tar is adding a hash salt value to change the checksum
• 1273[16:07:57] <shtrb> there's a checsum , but not salt
• 1274[16:08:05] <shtrb> check the perms and ownership
• 1275[16:08:10] <shtrb> is that reproducable ?
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• 1277[16:08:35] <epitamizer> i did cp -rp to preserve attribs and still different
• 1278[16:09:08] <shtrb> where there any links involved ?
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• 1281[16:09:50] <epitamizer> doing test still against just few files
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• 1289[16:11:54] <epitamizer> no links just a few files tar'd and still the md5sum is different
• 1290[16:12:06] <epitamizer> is that right?
• 1291[16:12:23] <greycat> the md5 of a tar archive? yeah, don't do that.
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• 1293[16:13:09] <greycat> the tar archive contains metadata for the files (owner, group, perms, modification timestamp, possibly more)
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• 1296[16:14:51] <epitamizer> the only other thing i was thinking was maybe rsync has some checksum option for finding out what file chanegd
• 1297[16:15:03] <greycat> --dry-run
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• 1320[16:36:27] <f8e4> how to test cpu ram for erros?
• 1321[16:36:38] <f8e4> my db corrupts checksusm; assume hw fail slowly
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• 1329[16:39:06] <greycat> dpkg memtest86
• 1330[16:39:06] <dpkg> To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. replaced-url
• 1331[16:39:27] <badcoder> I have an ssd nvme and when I write stuff to it and try to read it back sometimes its bad
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• 1337[16:39:55] <badcoder> for example if I try to install a vm image in it when I try to boot it I get something like invalid header
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• 1348[16:42:11] <hansh> how do i set a custom ipv4 dns server?
• 1349[16:42:15] <hansh> debian 10
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• 1353[16:43:27] <greycat> !override dns
• 1354[16:43:28] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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• 1357[16:43:42] <shtrb> hansh, vie /etc/resolv.conf , /etc/network/interfaces or prepending dns server via your dhcp client
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• 1362[16:44:13] <greycat> Editing resolv.conf is usually only PART of the solution, because things keep undoing your edit. See above.
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• 1376[16:54:38] <f8e4> . memtest86+ is included in livecd; no: mainmenu: not listed?
• 1377[16:55:03] <f8e4> Live, live with local; graphcia install, deb inst, debi inst speech; that all
• 1378[16:55:35] <f8e4> or is it in the grub menu After installing debian
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• 1380[16:56:43] <mikoxyz> f8e4, what exactly is your question?
• 1381[16:56:54] <f8e4> memtest86 start from livecd menu
• 1382[16:56:55] <greycat> 10:36 f8e4> how to test cpu ram for erros?
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• 1384[16:57:09] <greycat> I triggered the memtest86 factoid.
• 1385[16:57:22] <mikoxyz> oh, thank you
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• 1389[16:58:40] <f8e4> is it in: debian-live-10.7.0-amd64-xfce.iso.torrent ?
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• 1396[16:59:36] <hejux> is ubuntu getting better than before?
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• 1398[17:00:13] <nkuttler> hejux: ask the ubuntu people
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• 1400[17:00:39] <hejux> nkuttler: they won't be honest
• 1401[17:00:57] <hansh> is debian getting better than before?
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• 1405[17:02:02] <badcoder> when I close my laptop lid and open it back up again everything works except the monitor is turned off
• 1406[17:02:09] <badcoder> tips?
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• 1408[17:02:33] <hejux> hit a key
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• 1411[17:03:30] <badcoder> hejux: wtf?
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• 1414[17:04:49] <hejux> badcoder: your question was not clear
• 1415[17:05:20] <badcoder> how much more clear do you need it to be?
• 1416[17:05:34] <hejux> what monitor (in/external)? what works?
• 1417[17:05:48] <badcoder> its a laptop monitor
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• 1419[17:06:27] <badcoder> works well before closing the lid and when I close the lid and open it back up the monitor is turned off
• 1420[17:06:28] <hejux> so the display is off no matter what you do?
• 1421[17:06:34] <hejux> like hitting a key
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• 1423[17:06:58] <badcoder> yeah as unbelievable as it might sound that actually crossed my mind yes
• 1424[17:07:03] <badcoder> so I have hit many fucking keys
• 1425[17:07:05] <badcoder> and nothing
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• 1427[17:07:22] <hejux> can you ssh into the laptop
• 1428[17:07:28] <badcoder> yup
• 1429[17:07:36] <mikoxyz> f8e4, from what i can tell the debian netinstall image doesn't provide memtest86, so I assume that the livecd images don't come with it either; i don't have a livecd image at hand to confirm that, though
• 1430[17:07:39] <hejux> check dmesg
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• 1434[17:09:12] <hejux> badcoder:and journalctl -a
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• 1439[17:12:44] <f8e4> mikoxyz i do; not there; but livecd should have it definitly add it
• 1440[17:13:43] <greycat> the bot believes that it *did*
• 1441[17:14:29] <f8e4> dpkg you ly to me? memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images.
• 1442[17:14:29] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
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• 1460[17:30:51] <jelly> f8e4: if you need a rescue-style live image that's debian-like, try grml.org
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• 1463[17:32:15] <greycat> He just wants to know how to run memtest86 or any other RAM tester.
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• 1465[17:32:52] <greycat> He got the !memtest86 factoid which has like 5 answers in it, and for whatever reason he decided to focus on the one that says it's included in some Live image. So he downloaded a Live image. Or wanted to. Or something.
• 1466[17:33:00] <greycat> He's not speaking very clearly so it's hard to tell.
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• 1469[17:33:49] <f8e4> i hvae live image menationd: debian-live-10.7.0-amd64-xfce.iso.torrent booted; all search; not there; verify done; dpkg busted
• 1470[17:34:49] <jelly> f8e4: what is your native language?
• 1471[17:34:55] <converge> I have just one usb stick, and only wired connection. My ethernet card is only supported by a 3rd party driver (r8125), is it possible to "inject" this driver to be recognized during installation?
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• 1473[17:35:43] * f8e4 ns a here. packup guys
• 1474[17:36:14] <jelly> f8e4: it's kind of hard to understand you even without jokes!
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• 1476[17:37:09] * f8e4 will try better another tme
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• 1482[17:45:53] <dermoth> greycat, do you have an existing debian install? I though you could add memtest as a grub boot option...
• 1483[17:46:05] <greycat> !memtest86
• 1484[17:46:05] <dpkg> To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. replaced-url
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• 1486[17:46:14] <greycat> There's what the bot said. Have at it.
• 1487[17:46:21] <dermoth> :)
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• 1489[17:46:57] <dermoth> any my home router is already set to pxeboot the latest livecd image :)
• 1490[17:47:30] <dermoth> I can share the script if you like
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• 1494[17:49:25] <jelly> you just install the package, both memtest86 and memtest86+ add themselves to grub menu automatically
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• 1496[17:49:56] <jelly> and for some reason both are maintained again
• 1497[17:50:11] <greycat> But instead of doing something like that, or just asking "which one of dpkg's answers is easiest" they chose to download an entire randomly chosen live image.
• 1498[17:50:28] <jelly> ,v memtest86
• 1499[17:50:29] <judd> Package: memtest86 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3.7-2; buster: 4.3.7-3; stretch: 4.3.7-3; bullseye: 4.3.7-3+b1; sid: 4.3.7-3+b1
• 1500[17:50:37] <jelly> okay, that one smells fishy again
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• 1504[17:54:32] <jelly> ,v memtest86+
• 1505[17:54:33] <judd> Package: memtest86+ on amd64 -- jessie: 5.01-2; buster: 5.01-3; stretch: 5.01-3; bullseye: 5.01-3.1; sid: 5.01-3.1
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• 1507[17:55:06] <jelly> and that one as well!
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• 1541[18:10:49] <f8e4> fd leak: replaced-url
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• 1545[18:12:27] <f8e4> i remember 'vg-root not found' upon boot until dmcrypt asked for pw; all fine; but why not found; is order out of wack?
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• 1547[18:17:48] <gnat_x> f8e4: it depends on the drive configuration, but if all of the LVM is in the encrypted volume, there is no information available about logical volumes until decryption.
• 1548[18:18:07] <gnat_x> all the kernel sees is a large encrypted block device.
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• 1552[18:21:38] <f8e4> gnat_x yup except boot (which cant be encrypted yet right?
• 1553[18:22:23] <f8e4> gnat_x but is the install log 'normal since all is unlocked?
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• 1564[18:31:56] <gnat_x> f8e4: not sure i understand the question.
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• 1566[18:33:56] <f8e4> boot partition cannot encrypt; main parition can; i want both, supported?
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• 1569[18:35:49] <zamnedix> f8e4: in an EFI system, the only thing that must be unencrypted is the ESP in theory
• 1570[18:35:57] <zamnedix> you can keep it on a flash drive if you want
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• 1575[18:39:58] <f8e4> ty
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• 1611[19:05:07] <converge> I have just one usb stick, and only wired connection. My ethernet card is only supported by a 3rd party driver (r8125), is it possible to "inject" this driver to be recognized during installation?
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• 1615[19:08:36] <diogenes_> converge, you need a non-free ISO.
• 1616[19:10:12] <ratrace> !firmware images
• 1617[19:10:12] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
• 1618[19:10:18] <converge> diogenes_, like this one? replaced-url
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• 1620[19:11:25] <diogenes_> converge, exactly.
• 1621[19:12:47] <converge> Nice! Thanks ratrace , diogenes_
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• 1640[19:32:53] <zykotick9> question about updating, when a kernel updates happens in stable (with backports for a newer kernel), currently my two modules (zfs and nvidia) are not automatically being built installed, thus I am selecting an older kernel at boot to get both working. Is there some documentation someone is aware of, that shows what needs to be done to properly update a kernel and modules from backports?
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• 1642[19:33:58] <sney> zykotick9: make sure you have the matching linux-headers package as well
• 1643[19:35:01] <sney> zykotick9: and always check /lib/modules/(new kernel)/updates/dkms before you reboot, to ensure the new drivers were able to build successfully. that way if they haven't, you can debug before you lose your display or disks
• 1644[19:35:04] <jelly> it's also possible out of tree modules aren't quite caught up with linux kernel and just CAN'T be built against it yet
• 1645[19:35:24] <jelly> like nvidia still does not support 5.9 kernels, right now, I think
• 1646[19:35:27] <sney> yes, that happens sometimes, though I know for a fact that zfs and nvidia are not currently in that state
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• 1648[19:35:46] <sney> the nvidia driver in testing builds against 5.9 and works, it's just missing features.
• 1649[19:36:00] <jelly> ok, still testing != backports
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• 1651[19:36:15] <sney> ,v nvidia-driver
• 1652[19:36:16] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-1; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1
• 1653[19:37:01] <jelly> zykotick9: in general you'll want to have backports for all the stuff that's directly related to kernel drivers, that includes firmware and dkms-nased 3rd party module sources
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• 1655[19:37:24] <jelly> ... to go with kernel backports
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• 1659[19:40:13] <sney> as for documentation, I'm not sure where to look; the kernel handbook still only mentions module-assistant.
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• 1667[19:44:08] <zykotick9> sney & jelly thank you both, I'm still trying to figure out if I have the matching-headers installed (I do see a linux-headers-5.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 as installed, but not sure if that's matching the kernel version it is trying to use). Thank you both very much, I'll keep digging (and perhaps reboot to verify version).
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• 1670[19:45:16] <greycat> it should match the output of uname -r
• 1671[19:45:35] <zykotick9> greycat: true, but i've cheated and booted an old kernel right now.
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• 1677[19:47:04] <greycat> then you probably want to install headers to match all of the kernels that you can see in /boot/
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• 1682[19:50:27] <n4dir> though most of the time per default you boot to the newest kernel to be found in /boot
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• 1686[19:56:33] <zykotick9> n4dir: also true, I manually selected an older one
• 1687[19:57:08] <n4dir> pointless sidenote. on stable you probably don't have that many kernels around anyway.
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• 1691[19:59:33] <lt> debian buster shell keeps naging about "bash: sendmail: command not found" even though it comes shipped with exim4 in addition to the fact that I've manually installed both sendmail-bin & sendmail .. anyone knows what the heck I'm doing wrong? this is a too soon failure trying to send my first command line email
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• 1693[19:59:51] <mmance> Anyone here use multipass on buster?
• 1694[20:00:00] <IPFreely> Lilu Multipass
• 1695[20:00:03] <zykotick9> sney, installing the matching linux-headers and simply rebooting did the trick. Thank you: sney, jelly, and greycat.
• 1696[20:00:20] <sney> np
• 1697[20:00:30] <mmance> I got the snap installed, but I am unsure how to start the daemon
• 1698[20:00:32] <greycat> the sendmail *program* is usually in /usr/sbin/ which is probably not in your PATH
• 1699[20:00:32] <converge> Im trying to install Debian from replaced-url
• 1700[20:00:43] <greycat> most end users have no reason to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail direvtly
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• 1703[20:01:14] <greycat> if you're trying to read or send mail, you use an MUA such as mutt, mailx, pine, elm, thunderbird, ....
• 1704[20:01:34] <mmance> @greycat is pine still around?
• 1705[20:01:41] <greycat> Probably.
• 1706[20:02:05] <mmance> I am using alpine, I never looked for the original pine
• 1707[20:02:21] <sney> converge: install from a larger image, like DVD-1, and then figure out ethernet once your system is up and running
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• 1709[20:02:36] <mmance> last pine was from 2005
• 1710[20:02:55] <lt> grandfso: it's actually in /usr/lib/ and the one /usr/sbin is just a symlink
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• 1713[20:04:12] <converge> sney, do you mean, not the iso-dvd/ from firmware ?
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• 1715[20:04:46] <lt> greycat: I'm trying to write script to work a minimum linux (raspberry maybe) just to keep sending updates to a specific email .. I don't need to use mail client
• 1716[20:04:56] <converge> They have similar size (3.7gb), the firmware one, and this one replaced-url
• 1717[20:04:59] <sney> converge: no, that one is fine. sorry, people usually use the firmware-included netinstaller, so I didn't realize your link was the dvd
• 1718[20:05:09] <converge> Ah ok, thanks anyway
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• 1720[20:05:36] <greycat> If you're writing a script, use mailx. Unless you need to attach files, in which case use mutt or s-nail.
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• 1722[20:06:07] <greycat> The fact that you don't even know that sendmail is in /usr/sbin/ means you are NOT READY to try using /usr/sbin/sendmail directly. Use mailx. I use mailx. Or mutt.
• 1723[20:06:43] <sney> converge: anyway, the advice is to skip the network step in the installer and just install off the dvd. if realtek has a driver package, it'll be easier to integrate it into a running debian system.
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• 1725[20:07:21] <converge> sney, I believe "make" won't be there to compile/build the drivers right?
• 1726[20:08:24] <sney> it should be
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• 1730[20:10:24] <sney> yep, according to replaced-url
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• 1732[20:13:38] <sney> converge: ^
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• 1734[20:15:22] <mirrorbird> hi
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• 1736[20:16:22] <jhutchins> converge: You probably have to install the build tools manually, they're not in defaults.
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• 1738[20:17:14] <sney> 'apt install build-essential' with dvd-1 as the only apt source would to that
• 1739[20:17:18] <sney> do, even
• 1740[20:17:30] <sney> !b-e
• 1741[20:17:31] <dpkg> build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "apt install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <headers>, <qotd49>.
• 1742[20:17:45] <greycat> if you want to build modules, "apt install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)" ought to be enough I think
• 1743[20:17:56] <sney> yep, typically
• 1744[20:18:27] <converge> sney, jhutchins , thanks, I'll try it
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• 1768[20:39:53] <jhutchins> I wonder why youtube won't screencast from chrome. It works from my tablet & phone.
• 1769[20:41:22] <jhutchins> Infaliable. Quickest way to figure something out for yourself is to ask the internet.
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• 1771[20:42:52] <converge> Im not able to install linux headers after dvd-1 installation, Im not able to see it by apt-cache search linux headers, is this because I used the firmware image?
• 1772[20:43:22] <diogenes_> converge, tethering.
• 1773[20:43:44] <diogenes_> !tethering
• 1774[20:45:02] <converge> What that means..?
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• 1777[20:45:44] <diogenes_> connect phone via usb and share internet.
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• 1781[20:48:04] <jhutchins> converge: No space - linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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• 1785[20:49:04] <converge> jhutchins, I tried that way, just added space to the package search
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• 1788[20:50:20] <jhutchins> ,v linux-headers-4.9.0-14-amd64
• 1789[20:50:21] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers-4.9.0-14-amd64' was found in amd64.
• 1790[20:50:32] <jhutchins> ,v linux-headers
• 1791[20:50:33] <judd> No package named 'linux-headers' was found in amd64.
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• 1793[20:51:05] <jhutchins> converge: We would appear to be doing something wrong.
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• 1795[20:52:15] <converge> Strange, I already did it before. But good thing I just connected to internet by diogenes_ suggestion, never thought I could just plug my phone and use its internet connection using linux/usb command line
• 1796[20:52:50] <converge> Do you guys remember the name of that program that help to select the nearest/best performance Debian mirror to setup source.list?
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• 1800[20:53:55] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
• 1801[20:53:55] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
• 1802[20:55:17] <converge> thanks
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• 1804[20:55:38] <converge> Just found it, netselect, but this tip sounds better
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• 1816[21:04:41] <jhutchins> [#debian]
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• 1831[21:13:37] <GyroW> For some reason my raspbian install no longer supports ipv6? I've tried looking if it was disabled in sysctl but it doesn't seem to be. It's driving me crazy
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• 1833[21:14:19] <alex11> !raspbian
• 1834[21:14:19] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 1836[21:14:42] <GyroW> Oh sorry
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• 1850[21:21:39] <converge> Was ifconfig replaced by another program in the base installation?
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• 1852[21:22:28] <GyroW> I'm not sure, it resides in /sbin/ifconfig
• 1853[21:22:43] <GyroW> But it seems that the entire ipv6 subsystem is disabled
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• 1858[21:24:26] <jmcnaught> converge: net-tools (ifconfig) was deprecated a while ago, the tools in the iproute2 package (like 'ip') replaced it.
• 1859[21:25:06] <converge> Cool, thanks!
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• 1914[22:28:13] <converge> Is it ok to install ubuntu packages on Debian?
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• 1918[22:29:00] <greycat> generally not
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• 1920[22:29:14] <sney> converge: nope, with the exception of some 3rd party stuff that targets ubuntu
• 1921[22:29:27] <sney> adding ubuntu sources to debian is a good way to break your debian system
• 1922[22:29:49] <greycat> if it's from Ubuntu itself, big NO. if it's 3rd party, the 3rd party site *may* say that it supports "debian version x and ubuntu version y" or something.
• 1923[22:30:05] <greycat> in which case you decide how well you trust them
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• 1926[22:30:26] <converge> I want to install deepin dde, it has a ubuntu package, I guess I should try compile the sources, do you know some successful case doing that?
• 1927[22:31:27] <greycat> there are some packages with "deepin" and/or "dde" in their names in Debian already
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• 1933[22:36:25] <sney> converge: in the case of debian-derivative packages that are *not* in debian, apt install devscripts, then see 'man dget'. the package building tools are the same across the debian ecosystem, so this is generally possible for any contemporary package; the only caveats is you might also find yourself building a lot of dependencies
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• 1936[22:40:55] <converge> Sounds like a lot of work, I'll try i3 first. I had issues with i3 using PopOs because of performance, I believe Debian will handle it better
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• 1954[22:51:17] <Stonefruit> is there any easy way to remove everything in suite::kde? I don't use KDE and I don't want it (at the moment), but I can't seem to get rid of applications like konsole and konqueror!
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• 1967[23:03:02] <freem> Stonefruit: use the command `aptitude`, natigate to the the 'Kde' branch, use the key '_'. This will mark a good part of Kde's packages for 'purge'. Then the 'g' key will either apply that, or give you a preview of actions to bedone. In that second case, check that everything is ok and press 'g' again if yes
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• 1969[23:08:36] <converge> Stonefruit, such a bad advice, but as a last resource I would go with apt-get uninstall kde*
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• 1971[23:10:48] <n4dir> not sure if that will hit everything though. As in konsole and konqueror
• 1972[23:12:08] <Stonefruit> freem: I just did this, and, amazingly, this sid not catch konqueror is still here
• 1973[23:12:25] <Stonefruit> konqueror. it is still here*
• 1974[23:12:57] <Stonefruit> I guess with a name like that, it was never going to leave my computer, except manually!
• 1975[23:13:10] <freem> Stonefruit: well, looks like konqueror is the "web" area...
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• 1977[23:13:33] <jmcnaught> If KDE was installed with the task-kde-desktop or kde-standard metapackages then removing those and "apt autoremove" should remove most of it.
• 1978[23:13:34] <freem> maybe there is a way to remove all packages which have the debtag "kde" but I don't know it
• 1979[23:14:03] <jmcnaught> Always read the list of proposed packages to remove very carefully when running "apt autoremove" in case it wants to remove something that you want to keep.
• 1980[23:14:18] <freem> also, maybe aptitude auto-"repaired"... I know default settings do that, and thus prevented kde stuff to be removed.
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• 1984[23:17:36] <Stonefruit> well, I'
• 1985[23:18:00] <Stonefruit> well, I've removed what I could. I guess it's not a big deal if it stays there. I really wish there'd be a better way of doing it.
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• 1987[23:20:08] <dvs> !remove kde
• 1988[23:20:08] <dpkg> To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
• 1989[23:20:10] <Stonefruit> I use the aptitude trick and it seemed to remove some, but not all, of the applications. I did get this message right afterwards: "bash: sudo: command not found" so who knows what else I messed up in my frustration...
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• 1992[23:24:03] <Stonefruit> dvs: thanks, that removed of some more. I guess many of these apps don't just count as more than just parts of KDE, but it's hard to see the logic in leaving e.g. ktrash
• 1993[23:25:00] <freem> ktrash?
• 1994[23:25:24] <freem> can't find any package that name?
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• 1999[23:28:07] <Stonefruit> it's "ktrash5." it's in /usr/bin/ and if you run it with --help it says: "Helper program to handle the KDE trash can"
• 2000[23:28:32] <freem> the package's named kio
• 2001[23:28:45] <freem> it's in the "kde" section
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• 2003[23:29:26] <jhutchins> freem: aptitude
• 2004[23:29:36] <jhutchins> !partial rollback
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• 2007[23:29:46] <jhutchins> !rollback
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• 2009[23:30:02] <jhutchins> Dang, I need a factoid to track the factoids.
• 2010[23:30:07] <freem> well, I know aptitude partially "repair" by default config. I mentioned that a bit earlier
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• 2012[23:30:24] <jhutchins> freem: Comments
• 2013[23:30:36] <freem> ?
• 2014[23:30:45] <jhutchins> freem: Sorry bad paste.
• 2015[23:31:44] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
• 2016[23:31:44] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
• 2017[23:32:25] <jhutchins> freem: I have some combination that pastes strange things into irssi. Trackpad, stretch, old laptop.
• 2018[23:32:47] <freem> happens I suppose
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• 2028[23:39:15] <H-var> how is the codename for the debian release decided?
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• 2030[23:40:20] <Stonefruit> thanks everyone. mostly everything is gone, I think. I'm not sure how I managed to remove sudo (I'd think it has many dependencies?), but I've reinstalled it. at this point I'm afraid of breaking stuff so I'll give it a rest!
• 2031[23:40:20] <iflema> was/is characters from the toystory movie
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• 2033[23:40:47] <jhutchins> H-var: Deep in an abandoned missle silo is a secret, smoky room ...
• 2034[23:40:56] <freem> Stonefruit: I'd advise you to disable the auto repair in aptitude, and to enable the preview before action
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• 2036[23:41:14] <freem> this way, you could learn more easily how to handle what is installed on your system
• 2037[23:41:38] <freem> you can also just run aptitude as a normal user, this way you just can't break anything, while learning to use it
• 2038[23:42:21] <Stonefruit> that's good advice--thanks
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• 2051[23:52:50] <Stonefruit> actually, since I'm here. is there any advice for just, I don't know, getting better at using Linux, and Debian in particular? I have been using it for ages, but I find myself completely lost when I have to do anything remotely not straightforward, like this.
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• 2053[23:53:51] <Stonefruit> I use both at home and for work and it just kills me when I spend hours trying to learn how to manually create a desktop shortcut
• 2054[23:53:57] <jmcnaught> !grounding
• 2055[23:53:57] <dpkg> Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
• 2056[23:54:28] <iflema> is grinding a alias
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• 2061[23:59:02] <alex11> you may also be interested in replaced-url
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