217[03:12:59] <sponix> sney: Yes.. see I use NVENC for transcoding/encoding with Plex and OBS -- and thought I saw where that might break with 5.9
218[03:15:43] <alexrelis[m]> Should I use btrfs? Or should I stick with EXT4? I heard that btrfs allows for snapshots which sounds like a handy feature before critical upgrades but I also heard that snapshots are not backups. I'm still not sure what's the difference.
219[03:16:06] <sney> sponix: that would be worth testing. I haven't seen any support questions about transcoding on 5.9 with nvidia-current, so I suspect it does work
220[03:16:46] <sney> alexrelis[m]: correct, snapshots are not backups, they are more like an 'undo' feature on your filesystem
221[03:17:48] <sponix> sney: well, I might step my kernel up to 5.9 to try it. But I am NOT attempting Nvidia 455.45.01 again -- That Nvidia doesn't play well with my 960 and cost me a re-install to get rid of it last time :P
222[03:17:54] <alexrelis[m]> sney: but if I made a snapshot to an external storage medium, wouldn't that be as good as a backup?
223[03:18:16] <sney> alexrelis[m]: I'm not sure how btrfs snapshots work, but possibly
229[03:19:30] <quadrathoch2> alexrelis[m] sadly for now, there is no way of reusing snapshots which you btrfs send/receive. it's in the works. so for now, you can only mount them ro, and then copy files over
232[03:22:53] <alexrelis[m]> quadrathoch2: sney Thanks. One more question, if I had LVM configured, wouldn't I basically have the exact same functions as btrfs with snapshots? Or is there something I'm missing?
233[03:24:33] <sney> you wouldn't have the copy-on-write stuff but in practical terms, it may not matter
234[03:24:57] <sney> all of this stuff is just tools, pick the tool that makes sense for you and your system and your environment
238[03:29:35] <sney> ext4 (with or without lvm) is the debian installer's default for a reason. it'll be just fine for the majority of systems, yours included, probably. so unless you see a feature of btrfs that you're reasonably certain would make your life better, you may as well stick with what you have
239[03:29:43] <sney> but on the other hand, if something seems cool, why not try it?
346[04:25:55] <backupluis> Hi ppl, I have a problem with my php site getting a list of files from a folder while qbittorrent is creating 20gb of files due to torrent download, my php code hangs until files are created. I think that there must be something at os level to manage this type of disk concurrent access but I have no idea, any tip is welcome.
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582[09:33:38] <SpungeBob> but debian is a dumpster fire. way too weak. Windows 95 is a more secure operating system than debian. I know this because 48% of debian code contributions originate from users who are agents of the government
591[09:37:17] <SpungeBob> oiaohm: I will not debate you in open channel, it is a recipe for a ban on both ends. If you wish to attempt debate, I will wipe the floor with you - but only in PM
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599[09:46:01] <oiaohm> SpungeBob: To be correct those rules if you read freenode polices also cover PM. I find it funny that on the chosen topics you would want a debate with me over it. The fact you cannot choose the right channel on freenode for the debate shows pure incompetence off the start line. So I have won before we even started.
660[10:49:03] <ratrace> unixbsd: open source != libre, and it seems you're confusing the two. code may be open (sourced) but locked down with tight conditions and restrictions. or it can be open (sourced) AND libre ala GPL, copylefts, etc...
669[10:58:15] <jelly> that was for unixbsd, not the troll you dealt with
670[10:58:48] <oiaohm> jelly: DFSG comes from the Free Software Foundation's Free Software Definition. OSI was based off the same thing with alterations.
671[10:59:10] <oiaohm> FSF to DFSG and OSI.
672[10:59:46] <oiaohm> Having a common parrent of course DFSG and OSI look simular.
673[11:00:05] <jelly> oiaohm: I didn't even say anything about FSF, but IIRC Perens cloned initial OSI rules from DFSG almost verbatim
686[11:04:18] <unixbsd> I dont know which one is right one ;) I try to use source code that is fully free, with source code and clean website, not for commercial use on other IBMs, Apples,... spoiling the code.
687[11:05:04] <jelly> you do realize enforcing "not for commercial use" would MAKE software non-free?
701[11:11:22] <unixbsd> ok, thank you. I will need to read that.
702[11:11:29] <themill> (not that any of this has anything to do with Debian user support)
703[11:12:17] <unixbsd> indeed, or in some extends, debian is said to closely focus on given foss , opensource whatever is right term. (in main branch).
705[11:14:16] <oiaohm> unixbsd: Not for commercial use is never a practical license. Stupid things come commercial use like writing a email to your boss.
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707[11:15:30] <unixbsd> This is a great mean, really. commercial leads to nowhere. luckily this debian was created/"invented"
708[11:16:17] <jelly> I use Debian for commercial use with great success, if it did not allow it, I'd use something else
710[11:16:54] <ratrace> same here. and lets not forget that the ability to use FOSS commercially is #1 reason it still exists and didn't die as the devs lost free time interest and got a job :)
711[11:16:59] <unixbsd> The most important is that people are likely to give their source code and to "source" contribute.
713[11:17:43] <jelly> unixbsd: the most important thing for me is to bring bread to the tablel being able to use it with free tools is nice but secondary
715[11:18:02] <oiaohm> Being paid to support that code due to commercial use does help. Of course license like GPL saying you must/should release source has it place.
716[11:18:31] <oiaohm> Commerical use is one of those things that can help open source development.
723[11:19:34] <jelly> arguably GPL2 is a large part why Linux is the only remaining unix-like system BECAUSE it was possible to profit from using it
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725[11:19:40] <unixbsd> If there is no source code, there is no value, because you have binaries. Binaries are lost after decades, while we move to other archs,
726[11:20:02] <unixbsd> soon or later, bill gates will remove Bios, and we will have to figure out how to run linux on intel..
727[11:20:24] * jelly blinks
728[11:20:30] <unixbsd> *bill empire
729[11:20:47] <ratrace> they already removed bios long time ago. it's EFI these days all the way.
730[11:20:54] <jelly> unixbsd: then you don't want to know how closed UEFI is.
731[11:21:31] <unixbsd> On some web, they mentioned to have no single access. that would be bad or loooking like an android jail
732[11:21:35] <ratrace> intel is dead. long live ARM. Apple made sure of that.
733[11:21:38] <oiaohm> Or how buggy EFI is.
734[11:21:48] <unixbsd> gpt efi is hell
735[11:21:51] <EdePopede> or we move away from intel(igene agency driven) crap
736[11:22:01] <oiaohm> ARM could end up dead as well.
737[11:22:09] <oiaohm> Its going to be interessting to watch risc-v play out.
738[11:22:12] <EdePopede> bios itself wasn't better in the past, at least the implementation
739[11:22:24] <ratrace> oiaohm: sure, if any asteroid wipes out the planet, ARM could end up dead.
740[11:22:33] <EdePopede> just check how many bits the standard reserved for the number of HDD cylinders.
747[11:23:37] <ratrace> oiaohm: it's a game of chess. neither arm or x86_64 are going away any soon. Intel HAS become irrelevant though, with ARM and AMD (x86) taking center stage
748[11:23:39] <unixbsd> it would save us if all could be opensource bios... why not making our own boards?
749[11:24:04] <ratrace> unixbsd: we can: see coreboot + riscV
750[11:24:23] <ratrace> also... IBM's Power9, Power10 is very open.
751[11:24:25] <unixbsd> i heard about it on netbsd. ... it seems to never achieve any where.
766[11:33:09] <EdePopede> unixbsd: not even the usual amazon bashing... but accidentally i've zapped into some tv shopping. this time a lamp for the outer wall of your house. stalked it a bit, read some comments on A*. ordered, prime customer, came next day, fine. had to return it on their own to austria.
770[11:35:15] <EdePopede> they really could sell such hardware on geekstuff and similar sites. and maybe some smaller shops, but this would be a lot of overhead ofc. still would be nice to be able to buy a computer with preinstalled debian. or with a preseed fitting the exact hardware. insert stick, boot, and let the chickens check the keyboard.
780[11:46:38] <EdePopede> i should have some debian disks i paid for. the bookshop isn't in town anymore, can't find anything on their website. but iirc the project made €10 per sold copy.
781[11:49:13] <EdePopede> the era of bundles seems to be over? no more books coming with optical media (or rather thumbdrives these days)?
783[11:50:05] <t3st3r> <oiaohm> AMD is talking about opening up more of their firmware stuff <- Like what? And still, x86 isn't really open thing. Not even ISA.
784[11:50:40] <t3st3r> Not one stands to try to create own MoBo like that's it possible with ARM SoCs and some others - without crap NDAs and so on.
803[12:00:32] <lbr> Yes, you have Secure Boot enabled and therefore Debian enforces kernel lockdown mode. Please read the links from your `dmesg` output.
804[12:00:54] <rendar> ok
805[12:02:22] <rendar> lbr: do you think i should disable secure boot?
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827[12:17:24] <wisbit> hello guys, quick feel of the room, I started using plex for multimedia server: it's real nice for movies and tv shows !!! amazing...
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842[12:19:44] <Franciman> I suggest jellyfin as an alternative for plex. The only problem is that if you use it on a smart tv, quite likely there won't be the app
843[12:19:48] <Franciman> as an alternative for plex
844[12:20:26] <wisbit> be used through web browser on a screen ?
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862[12:24:38] <Franciman> <wisbit> by the way in terms of servers management, what is best, one server does all, or several servers for different media type ? <- no idea
863[12:24:46] <Franciman> i guess it depends on how many users you have
864[12:24:52] <Franciman> wisbit, np, also jellyfin is free software
949[13:03:02] <unixbsd> on debian testing amd64, is it possible that the ps2 mouse is no longer in the kernel ? no idea, it seems that my ps2 port is no longer working
950[13:04:07] <jelly> lbr: I honestly have no idea
981[13:22:08] <quadrathoch2> jelly, I am actually talking about the ps/2 port on main boards, which are wired over usb internally
982[13:22:30] <t3st3r> they're not wired to usb and its different protocol
983[13:23:03] <jelly> quadrathoch2: oh good grief, I did not know that existed and it means there's an PS/2->usb bridge in the opposite direction on such boards
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985[13:23:52] <jelly> why would someone do that
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1114[15:18:18] <ratrace> Buster point Seven is out...
1115[15:19:10] <ratrace> BugHunter1000: the buster/updates repository, sourced from deb.debian.org/debian-security is the "security" repo in question
1116[15:20:18] <onyx__> ah, so that's probably what broke custom builds, simple_cdd is complaining about a checksum for a file... terrible timing from my end tough, I need an altered image built today if at all possible :(
1135[15:27:51] <BugHunter1000> if that repo is enabled by default, which repo is a default Debian install on, in terms of that CVE? it says the mainline is unpatched, so does that mean default install is unpatched?
1145[15:34:56] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to make. The installer regularly checks for and applies security updates afik.
1146[15:35:36] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Unless you had disabled the security repo, if you have updated since the package was released you should have the patched version.
1147[15:35:58] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Most security updates eventually make it into the main repo.
1148[15:36:11] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: Is there a particular package you are interested in?
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1162[15:44:25] <ratrace> BugHunter1000: for your last question, that's correct. The "main" repo contains the original packages at release time. Then bug fix updates and security fixes are relased in the buster-updates and buster/updates repos respectively. which means that yes, there exist unpatched and patched versions of a package at the same time across all three repos.
1163[15:44:27] <jelly> BugHunter1000: the package with latest version will get installed, either from main repo or from security repo
1166[15:44:58] <ratrace> but yes, debian will install _latest_ version for a package, and thus security and updates repos will then have versions newer than the base, "main" repo
1185[15:57:01] <BugHunter1000> jelly, so if i just remove the main repo and pull all from "security" that will get fastest patches?
1186[15:57:44] <jhutchins> BugHunter1000: No need to remove the main. The newer file from security will have priority.
1187[15:57:45] <jelly> BugHunter1000: no, you need both.
1188[15:57:46] <GNU\colossus> no, that is stupid. packages from security will be preferred over those from main if both are enabled.
1189[15:58:03] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: Not stupid, just uninformed.
1190[15:58:26] <jelly> GNU\colossus: packages with newer version will be preferred, doesn't matter which repo of the two they come from
1191[15:58:39] <GNU\colossus> jelly, point taken :)
1192[15:58:44] <jelly> sometimes the main repo has a package with newer version than security repo
1193[15:58:51] <jhutchins> We get very comfortable with the package system that "just works", but other distros do things differently, and if you're coming from the mac or windows world package management is a whole new concept.
1208[16:06:50] <Onyx47> does anyone know, if I'm building a custom install image and I try to include a kernel from backports, do I also have to manually specify any and all kernel modules in the list of packages to get from backports?
1244[16:39:16] <EdePopede> i was astonished that selfhtml 8.1.2-1 is so small (26M vs 153M data from upstream), but then the Changelog ends in 2008, which is really old for sth web related. is this because "too many packages, too few people" or related to their change of distribution format (sources + modified mediawiki instead of preformatted pages)? any idea?
1252[16:47:52] <EdePopede> mrkramps: used to be a one man show for long, then he decided to switch to a collaborative model and iirc it took some time to find a working model, using a wiki. can't say how long ago this happened, may have been just before 2008. do you mean this step?
1257[16:50:44] <mrkramps> EdePopede, originally selfhtml was a collection of static web pages and is now using mediawiki which does not allow for an easy export of a static oflline version
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1259[16:51:47] <EdePopede> mrkramps: ah, so the debian version is meant to be used w/o a httpd if i understand you correctly
1260[16:51:53] <mrkramps> exactly
1261[16:52:33] <mrkramps> current version of selfhtml would rather be a mirror and required web server, php and database
1262[16:52:44] <EdePopede> the links i guess, and the embedding. maybe some magic with pandoc or similar could do it.
1263[16:53:08] <EdePopede> at least sqlite, so no fiddling around with maria
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1267[16:55:38] <EdePopede> mrkramps: yep, i just wasn't sure about the difference in upstream and debian. already was thinking of looking at their installation. at some point in the future. near future. i hope. :)
1276[17:00:56] <tigryss> I installed my nvidia gtx 1060 and if I boot then the nvidia driver is loaded, but hashcat drop unknown error and doesn't detect my NVIDIA
1310[17:19:24] <phorce1> So, on the old box I pulled from a closet, should I try upgrading from Squeeze straight to Stretch or Buster or should I step it through Wheezy, Jessie, Stretch, Buster one at a time?
1317[17:20:59] <oxek> you could set the sources.list to point to buster directly, but it's undefined behavior and will break something for sure
1318[17:21:16] <ratrace> unless it dies on next reboot :) I pulled an old ACER out of the closet and turned it on. booted fine, worked. rebooted. never came back on again. as if it woke up, realized how many years passed and said Nope. Nuh-huh.
1319[17:21:46] <oxek> :D
1320[17:22:01] <oxek> maybe it just wanted 5 more minutes of sleep?
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1322[17:22:28] <phorce1> I spent the night doing a tar.bz2 backup. Moving that to a USB, then doing a clonezilla across the network and it hasn't died yet. :D
1358[17:40:47] <yan6> Any idea how to resolve the dependancy issue "apt libapt-pkg5.0 (due to apt)", facing after "apt upgrade; apt full-upgrade" -> replaced-url
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1406[17:55:34] <autoteles> Hello. I installed the latest 5.9 backport kernel, and it came with a driver for my laptop's wireless card. It gave me a bad time. It's rtl8821ce.
1407[17:56:01] <ratrace> aww, terrible.
1408[17:56:05] <mrkramps> yan6, pinning is configured in one of the files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
1409[17:56:11] <autoteles> I had to blacklist ideapad_laptop and rtw88_8821ce
1424[17:58:35] <cheapie> (making a custom Debian live image - I have stuff here that needs firmware-amd-graphics to get X running at all, and the stock images don't have that because non-free :P)
1425[17:58:49] <yan6> mrkramps: so do I just delete/wipe out that file or?
1426[17:59:04] <yan6> but then I will be installing systemd
1427[17:59:10] <mrkramps> yan6, no ... deleting would allow installing systemd
1428[17:59:31] <yan6> so only "apt install libsystemd0"
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1470[18:19:02] <parabyte> i upgrade my main computer system every 10 years, and i am due for the next upgrade, can anyone recommend A good current cpu for the linux kernel
1480[18:22:53] <cheapie> jmcnaught: No (didn't realize those existed) but this one works fine now and there were some extra programs I wanted to add too.
1481[18:22:58] <parabyte> one of my criteria for my new system is the ability for it to be able to be able to use coreboot firmware
1482[18:23:26] <mrkramps> yan6, i am not sure how exactly save pinning for systemd should look like, but i'd dare guessing that "Package: systemd*" should be enough pattern for pinning all systemd an allow installing libsystemd0
1483[18:23:30] <parabyte> thanks for nudging me in the AMD direction, I will check out what they have to offer later
1484[18:23:38] <NetTerminalGene> you should state that first
1485[18:23:41] <oxek> coreboot systems are intel only
1486[18:24:02] <parabyte> oxek, you know i was not aware of that, i would of found out when i looked at compatible hardware lol
1487[18:24:23] <oxek> AMD systems have the same intel ME capability, but there's no way of removing it unlike with using coreboot for intel
1488[18:24:49] <parabyte> um i may have to adjust my criteria somewhat
1489[18:25:01] <NetTerminalGene> i want arm cpu
1490[18:25:10] <cheapie> Most AMD boards will let you turn the PSP "off" but it's not entirely clear what that does.
1491[18:25:21] <parabyte> i would actually settle for arm but there is no arm boards with multiple pcie slots on it
1492[18:25:23] <oxek> very likely, since coreboot requirement means you'll not get a modern system anyway, so an upgrade from a 10yo system would be pointless
1493[18:25:35] <parabyte> i need pcie at least 4 expansion slots
1500[18:27:31] <parabyte> on the same system as well as other tasks it will perform which requires heavy cpu lifting. the system will be in a server client situation
1501[18:27:35] <NetTerminalGene> change your habits
1502[18:27:45] <parabyte> anyway thanks for the feedback i will check out amd's current cpu lineup
1552[19:02:31] <menace__> does anyone of you uses aqemu?
1553[19:02:33] <lowin> Hi. I was playing with my firewall settings but I think I broke it after adding a direct.xml file. now I can't reload the daemon: replaced-url
1554[19:02:47] <lowin> I already removed the direct.xml but it still fails with same error
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1557[19:03:47] <lowin> And I should say the direct.xml file had no ipv6 rules I don't know why it fails on that
1558[19:05:58] <HelloShitty> What package do I need when I get a message like this while running ./configure:
1559[19:06:12] <HelloShitty> configure: error: Package requirements (libcrypto) were not met:
1560[19:06:15] <HelloShitty> No package 'libcrypto' found
1561[19:06:27] <autoteles> lowin: is purging the package an option?
1562[19:06:44] <lowin> autoteles, I'll try that
1563[19:06:52] <autoteles> lowin: copy what you need before you purge
1564[19:07:01] <HelloShitty> I already installed libcrypto++-dev and libcrypto++6, but still not good
1597[19:25:42] <lowin> Okay so I regained access. Looks like a bug with firewalld. it fails to reload after setting up iptables the first time
1598[19:26:00] <lowin> line 4: RULE_REPLACE failed (No such file or directory): rule in chain INPUT
1599[19:26:09] <lowin> not sure what "line 4" refers to here
1600[19:26:51] <HelloShitty> oxek: I can read this on their site, but then I also don't know what package to install regarding openssl-lib
1601[19:26:54] <HelloShitty> openssl-lib can be used to specify the directory where libssl and libcrypto are installed (or the windows counterparts).
1602[19:27:11] <oxek> HelloShitty: probably best to run 'sudo apt build-dep libtorrent-dev'
1603[19:27:39] <oxek> that should pull in the dependencies needed to build the version of libtorrent in debian, which will likely satisfy the dependencies in your version too
1604[19:27:50] <HelloShitty> But versions are not the same
1605[19:28:15] <HelloShitty> aahh, ok, but then I get 2 versions of libtorrent
1649[19:53:21] <droid3> Got a little issue today been finishing up my software and i been wanting to create .deb file for installing my program
1650[19:53:54] <droid3> The issue is how do i make a custom icon show up for my deb file when it shows up in software center application for example
1651[19:54:41] <droid3> Note i am not talking about after the install where you see a custom icon show up on the dash from the .desktop file that got installed...etc
1652[19:55:07] <droid3> I am talking about before then when your just viewing the .deb file in your software center app on debian /ubuntu ...etc
1653[19:55:09] <mrkramps> but i'd guess it uses the same icon resource
1654[19:55:44] <droid3> confused so its using a .desktop file ??? if so then whats the tag to set it in the control file of the deb package i created ???
1660[19:57:00] <droid3> Its looking really good in the software center when i click on it aka the description short / long is looking good, the url link goes to my github , the name and version show up perfect....etc
1661[19:57:10] <droid3> I just dont know how to get the icon to show up
1675[20:18:32] <droid3> nobody seems to know. Seriously why is creating package such a difficult process it should be made easy for developer. I just would like to do it with package managers a more professional way to do it rather then a tar.gz file download and directions on installing type deal
1676[20:20:36] <droid3> So i am getting to the point that custom icons and screenshots have to go thru a website like replaced-url
1677[20:21:08] <mrkramps> but those are screenshots
1678[20:21:21] <droid3> if thats true nobody can make custom icons or screenshots for there .deb packages if they dont got login/account with that site
1679[20:21:24] <mrkramps> there are no icons
1680[20:22:22] <droid3> Ok so freak confused on the icons and screenshot stuff for packages its driving me crazy today. This shit is hard then actually developing software who the hell design this shit icon and screenshot method
1686[20:26:50] <mrkramps> yeah, that's the gnome theme icon for default application
1687[20:26:52] <droid3> this is what i am talking about obviously Akregator was able to get there custom icon up there with a screen shot?
1688[20:27:01] <droid3> Below that is what mine looks like
1689[20:27:23] <droid3> And forget for now getting a screenshot to show ...lost...
1690[20:28:41] <droid3> mrkramps no its not are you looking at my linke the first one is the Akregator icon the image under the first one is the default given by all the custom .deb file i make.
1691[20:29:02] <droid3> I am asking how you get the first icon on there or your own if you got an icon designed ?????
1693[20:29:49] <droid3> i feel like where going in circles with do you understand what i am asking or is it beyond you ??? Not a hard question to comperhend
1696[20:30:56] <droid3> if your getting at switching out my default diamond icon that would be somewhat of a solution but then it changes my default icon for every program
1697[20:31:02] <mrkramps> droid3, yea got it. that's why i am surfing gnome software source code for more than half an hour now
1698[20:31:15] <droid3> And this isnt really a solution to making an icon for everybody
1699[20:31:39] <droid3> really a solution => really not a solution i mean
1700[20:31:59] <droid3> for everyone to see in the software center
1701[20:32:30] <droid3> So if the icon and screenshots are not part of the deb package file then they be part of the deb hosting file site you use???
1702[20:33:02] <droid3> Aka it be where you host the deb may have the option to set a custom icon and screenshot where as some site dont...
1703[20:33:35] <droid3> I would imagine the site that are directly linked to showing software in the main repo's have these features
1706[20:34:21] <droid3> But where can i host it to get my deb package in the main rep or a third party repo that one can add to his repo list that would show a custom icon and screenshot.
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1708[20:34:52] <droid3> That is the questions??? still confused if the icon and screenshot are linked to the deb file you create or is part of the hosting repo site itself
1710[20:35:19] <droid3> if its the later i am fucked unless i get it into a main repo /hosting site that supports those features
1711[20:36:10] <droid3> But i would at least like to know if its the later or former so i dont keep spinning my wheels with this noncritical part of the program development process
1715[20:38:57] <droid3> I really believe its the later as there are some packages you can write a review and it can get star ratings...so its got to be part of the website hosting the repo more then the deb package itself
1720[20:40:17] <droid3> so then what site can i host this deb file on to get it to show up in software center and the major gui based package manager front ends?
1721[20:40:47] <jhutchins> droid3: Are you the maintainer of the package?
1722[20:40:54] <droid3> There got to be a website/hosting repo to upload your deb file when ready and upload an icon with a screenshot
1724[20:41:36] <droid3> Yes i am the maintainer of the package and creator. And the package doesnt have any major dependencies
1725[20:42:13] <droid3> except for maybe a few which is not an issue.
1726[20:43:03] <droid3> I still need to develop the install and uninstall scripts and go thru finalizing all the install/uninstall scripts but after that i want to host it somewhere
1728[20:43:42] <droid3> with the ability to have the custom icons and screenshots i made show up when it is add/displayed in the software center /major gui package manager front ends
1729[20:44:19] <droid3> And to do this it sounds like all need a launchpad or other repo hosting site that supports these features when uploading the .deb file
1736[20:45:31] <droid3> i know i could apt-get install ...etc or just put the deb file on a github and have them open ...it works fine sure
1737[20:46:16] <sney> what's the application? is there a reason you're looking for a "site" to host it rather than submitting it to debian?
1738[20:46:19] <droid3> but you cannt get the cool screen shots embedded and custom icons embedded thru gui package manager front ends without a hosting site supporting them that works with the gui front end package managerrs
1739[20:47:06] <droid3> and thats why i am trying to figure out what site allow you to do this at the moment ...now that i know the deb file i can never customize icon or set screenshots thru it
1740[20:47:42] <droid3> I never submitted stuff to debian how do you do that /how does that work maybe thats the route all take ???
1741[20:48:03] <sney> !nmg
1742[20:48:04] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1744[20:48:23] <sney> and get support in #debian-mentors on OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode)
1745[20:48:50] <droid3> Just confused on what the options are for actually getting your software in some repo that can be showed up in a gui package manager front end. And that the hosting site has the features of custom icon and screenshots???
1746[20:49:30] <sney> custom icon and screenshots is an appstream/dep-11 thing, replaced-url
1747[20:50:26] <sney> most 3rd-party packages are self-hosted, since a debian mirror is just a basic http site with some automagic scripts. ubuntu has their ppa infrastructure that I'm sure you know about.
1748[20:50:56] <sney> but if the software is useful and free, then trying to get it into the debian archive is a better approach.
1750[20:51:56] <droid3> its going to be very useful for graphics designers to experience with, not something that is even on the internet with any great programs anymore, and is easy to maintain
1751[20:52:36] <sney> here's some more info, replaced-url
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1753[20:53:07] <droid3> seems like its more difficult to get the software where it should be as it is by far the best software for the task hands down but i dont want to give it away /want it a superize when i upload it.
1756[20:53:46] <droid3> Man , i am not about to read novels just to understand how to upload my program to a repo or get access to somewhere that others can see it in a software center
1757[20:54:18] <sney> lol well, too bad
1758[20:54:39] <droid3> why cannt they make it an easy process you upload your shit ...if its not good enough you get denied and have to keep it on github ,sourceforge ,...etc as a tar.gz , zip ,...etc
1759[20:55:05] <sney> debian packages need to be a certain quality, so you do need to do work before it will be included
1760[20:55:30] <sney> mentors.debian.net is a site where you can upload your source package and it'll run some checks... but it is not an automatic process, there is a standard you need to meet as the maintainer
1761[20:55:34] <ratrace> packaging for .deb sucks big hairy donkey balls tho.
1762[20:55:35] <droid3> sney dont you think it should be made easy for developers after why should they have to deal with all this bullshit. It slows them down in getting software out to people
1767[20:56:12] <droid3> And if it was shitty software just have the repo maintainers just deny it and say just host it on your own site or on your sourceforge/ github ,..etc accounts
1768[20:56:36] <ratrace> sney: it's a sad fact. I tried to contrib changes and patches. it was a mess of the "aint nobody got tiem for dat!" kind
1769[20:56:59] <droid3> All i am saying is it should be easy enough to get software up to the main repos for people to consider incorporating it eventually into the repo's if you got a good idea that isnt in the repo's yet
1771[20:58:36] <sney> because debian isn't a dumping ground for everyone's rough draft packages. you have to do the work.
1772[20:58:42] <droid3> "debian packages need to be a certain quality, so you do need to do work before it will be included..." Indeed which is why all be spending alot of time on installer scripts and learning what scripts order of execution is and writting good install/uninstall/cleanup scripts
1774[20:59:34] <ratrace> one can have good quality packages without a mess such as .deb, the two constraints are orthogonal
1775[20:59:37] <sney> I thought you didn't want to read novels? that's like 95% of it, the rest is just cleaning up the policy/lintian stuff and getting the package sponsored for an upload
1777[21:00:08] <droid3> Ya agreed i wouldnt consider uploading bad shit to the main repos anyway even though it just get denied so no harm done. But i wouldnt attempt it if i didnt have a cool new program that isnt really out there as i see it as much
1778[21:00:48] <droid3> and i think it should be in the main repo or at least a third party repo that can be add to the main repo with the functionality of the main repos aka custom icons and screenshots
1779[21:01:09] <sney> anyway, go to #debian-mentors on OFTC and talk to the experts. I had to stop maintaining my package in 2016 so I'm a little behind on the current best practices. they will get you pointed in the right direction and help with all of the steps.
1781[21:02:27] <droid3> ratrace ya i have a good quality program that could belong in the main repo in my opinion though it could get denied i can see that if people dont feel the same way but i definitely see alot shittier software in the main repos as of current as well.
1782[21:02:35] <droid3> So its debatable on that end.
1783[21:03:16] <droid3> So now i am kind of working on the equivalent a good quality deb installer package for the repo if it got excepted
1786[21:05:23] <droid3> But for this particular program you really dont need a deb file to install it and i was just making the deb file as a way to make a pretty icon and screenshot display of it
1788[21:06:02] <droid3> But i realized it doesnt work that way for gui package managers to display an icon and screenshot it depends on the repo hosting site you have access to or upload it to.
1792[21:07:14] <droid3> So kind of going thru alot of work creating deb packages for nothing if its not going to get excepted into the main repo or a repo /hosting site that has the feature of setting custom icons and screenshots
1793[21:08:25] <JohnDoe2> hey guys, debian 10 netinstall here, got xfce and build-essential, ruby going. Now I'm trying to install a custom CA but it isn't picked up by update-ca-certificates. File is in /usr/share/ca-certificates/me.crt ; 0 added, 0 removed it says. Am I missing some package to get this done?
1794[21:09:16] <droid3> sney thanks saw your post.. all go to debian-mentors channel to talk with those guys. But i am glad its not a deb file format or my program issue. Its more so figuring out a hosting site and approval to get it hosted on a site with those features.
1796[21:10:50] <droid3> Anyway not all is lost if i waste some time on creating really good deb package for my installing/uninstalling of my program. As i can always throw them on my own repo and people add it and sudo apt-get it from a non-gui based package manager interface.
1803[21:15:17] <JohnDoe2> I read a couple articles on installing a custom CA and the recommend /usr/share/ca-certificates as the location. I also manually ln -s the cert file as a pem inside /etc/ssl/certs/ and it's still not picked up
1804[21:16:01] <JohnDoe2> (for example mozilla's set of CA files are all in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/, and then they all get linked as pem files in /etc/ssl/certs)
1805[21:16:26] <Poster> I believe you have to run "update-ca-certificates" after the new certificate is in place
1806[21:16:32] <JohnDoe2> let me not mislead you, the custom .crt file is not linked by update-ca-certificates
1807[21:16:40] <JohnDoe2> I did it manually, without effect
1808[21:17:00] <JohnDoe2> Poster you're correct, and it says 0 added, 0 removed.
1809[21:17:21] <JohnDoe2> I can read the crt file with openssl x509 -in ....
1812[21:18:23] <Poster> Do you have /usr/local/share/ca-certificates ? Just checking other articles and it sounds like the added cert may need to be copied there
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1815[21:18:45] <JohnDoe2> Poster I see, ok, will try that path too
1816[21:19:33] <JohnDoe2> damn it, that worked.
1817[21:19:47] <Poster> =D
1818[21:19:49] <JohnDoe2> I mean... awesome, that worked.
1819[21:19:50] <JohnDoe2> :D
1820[21:20:02] <JohnDoe2> thanks Poster
1821[21:20:07] <Poster> np
1822[21:20:10] <Azrael_-> i'm running debian 10 with the kernel 4.19.0-12-amd64. it is a nas, mostly only used for smb. it has 8gb ram, ~2gb used, 6gb cache and 186mb swap being used. yet kswapd0 seems to use constantly about 60% cpu (of 400%). can somebody explain me the high cpu usage of kswapd0?
1838[21:31:09] <smashgrab> Just installed debian testing and kde desktop. Previously in stable (actually old stable now) the network widget in the panel showed my wired network connection like so: replaced-url
1839[21:31:22] <smashgrab> Is it normal for it to not list any wired connections or is this a quirk of testing atm? Internet works just fine, but connection is not listed in the widget. If I use nmtui from the console, there are no connections listed there, either.
1840[21:32:02] <graytron> i wonder when the next point release is going to happen
1981[23:04:42] <jhutchins> All of the commands sound completely alien to them, they don't type them correctly.
1982[23:04:46] <prison> i cant remember the name.. but it fail
1983[23:05:23] <prison> yes that who has the clock
1984[23:05:28] <prison> the free memory
1985[23:05:30] <prison> disk space
1986[23:05:31] <another> there should be a panel item to add
1987[23:06:10] <jhutchins> Man, I remember back when I did tech support, I talked someone through a sequence, which they did correctly, and I said "now press enter". I hear click-clickety-clickety-clickety-whap-thump. "Didn't work".
1998[23:15:47] <altker128> Hey guys. Question, is there any "reasonable" way to get KDE 5.2 on a Debian system? Last I read it will be in Sid in Jan, wondering if that timeline is true or not
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2000[23:16:05] <sney> menace__: I think you can use 'apt-mark hold' to keep a package in the not-installed state, or use equivs to tell apt that you already have it
2001[23:17:07] <sney> altker128: sid is at 5.19 currently. plasma is a big set of packages, so since it's not already in the archive it'd probably be non-trivial even on a bullseye/sid system. maybe there's a flatpak?
2002[23:17:54] <sney> but if you heard that sid was going to get 5.20 in the winter then it's likely that will happen, barring any rc weirdness
2020[23:27:02] <jhutchins> I guess I'm pretty much at the end of my day. Thunar shows free space in the bottom bar. I'm pretty sure I knew that, but sometimes things that just work, you don't have to think about, don't come to mind easily.
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2034[23:33:45] <altker128> ratrace: I was wondering if anyone else has an interest in seeing KDE 5.2 in Debian and/or if it's being actively worked on or if there's an alternative way to try it out on Debian.
2035[23:33:59] <rander2> I have wlan0 enabled , but it dont appear in NM menu,
2036[23:34:18] <sney> rander2: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? nm ignores anything in that file
2037[23:34:22] <rander2> it write wifi is disabled
2038[23:34:48] <altker128> I've been using MATE for several years now and pretty happy with it but wish MATE could treat multiple monitors as their own virtual desktops
2057[23:41:00] <altker128> jhutchins: I mean, KDD 5.2.04 if it were available
2058[23:41:01] <ratrace> you mean "Yes, KDE 5.20"
2059[23:41:16] <altker128> Yes, KDE 5.2xxxxxx
2060[23:41:28] <altker128> 5.2*
2061[23:42:04] <rander2> So I must use usb0 to connect through android tethering
2062[23:42:24] <jhutchins> altker128: I think you're confused. The kde site says 5.20 is current, and debian would probably be working with 5.20.x-x
2063[23:42:34] <jhutchins> altker128: It isn't yet.
2064[23:43:05] <jhutchins> altker128: You could file an rp and volunteer to help.
2065[23:43:13] <jhutchins> rfp
2066[23:43:22] <sney> altker128: plasma 5.19.5 was released upstream on sept 1, and uploaded to sid on nov 6. going by that, 5.20 may be uploaded sometime in the next week or two, depending on how much work needs to be done to package it
2067[23:44:16] <altker128> jhutchins: I'm not opposed at all to contributing. I was actually looking at KDE as a desktop environment for the first time in years so I could in fact go back to doing development work