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32 [00:45:20] <rander2> hello all
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34 [00:47:10] <mutante> sup
35 [00:47:11] <mutante> !ask
36 [00:47:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
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39 [00:52:02] <rander2> How may I install grub without it see others OS ?
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41 [00:53:01] <greycat> remove the os-prober package
42 [00:53:12] <rander2> I installed deb10 on a machine that have another hd , and I want avoid grub to see the other disk
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44 [00:53:59] <rander2> greycat, how remove ? In the installation process or in rescue mode ?
45 [00:55:51] <rander2> basically I installed deb10 on a SD card, the system didnt go, so I made chroot to another pc and reinstall grub2. But it wrote in grub.cfg the OS of the another system, so now it dont boot. I write grub rescue:
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47 [00:56:56] <rander2> And I don't want that it see the others OS because it is a problem. I hope to explain the problem with my broken english :)
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50 [00:58:42] <rander2> now I have 2 ways to rescue: 1- rescue from grub rescue prompt ( but I must learn the grub rewscue syntax)
51 [00:59:22] <rander2> 2- reinstall grub , but it add automatically the others OS on the other disk
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54 [01:00:41] <rander2> and grub rescue have a cryptic syntax, it's a hacker program
55 [01:01:02] <rander2> for much expert users
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61 [01:06:10] <iflema> uninstall os-prober
62 [01:06:17] <iflema> and update-grube
63 [01:06:21] <iflema> :D
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72 [01:10:56] <rander2> hello
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74 [01:11:57] <rander2> or try to solve the grub rescue problem
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77 [01:12:43] <rander2> basically the first time it boot regularity , the second time grub rescue
78 [01:12:47] <rander2> boh
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91 [01:26:22] <iflema> hardrive failing?
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93 [01:26:40] <iflema> cable bad?
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96 [01:31:08] <rander2> a start job is running for interfaces...
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98 [01:33:01] <rander2> yes, now boot correctly but wait little time
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100 [01:35:03] <rander2> .. /etc/network/interfaces ?
101 [01:35:16] * iflema devuan
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105 [01:36:27] <rander2> ok, I think here all from europe , and now it's night
106 [01:36:29] <rander2> sorry
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110 [01:44:29] <rander2> hello
111 [01:47:49] <abrotman> Not true
112 [01:52:22] <rander2> ok
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114 [01:55:53] <rander2> abrotman, I from eu too, but I become active in evening
115 [01:55:56] <rander2> sorry
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123 [01:58:25] <rander2> replaced-url
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131 [01:59:49] <rander2> iwlwifi
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134 [02:00:07] <abrotman> Did you install the firmware package?
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137 [02:01:14] <rander2> firmware-iwlwifi now
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139 [02:01:25] <rander2> I solve the boot problem
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141 [02:01:57] <rander2> uninstalled os-prober && update-grub
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144 [02:02:28] <rander2> must I reboot to go after install firmware-iwlwifi ?
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146 [02:03:22] <rander2> or restart networkmanager
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150 [02:08:07] <abrotman> reboot is probably easier
151 [02:09:00] <rander2> I havent modprobe here
152 [02:09:04] <rander2> insmod
153 [02:09:13] <rander2> only lsmod exist
154 [02:09:50] <mason> That's really odd. You don't have the kmod package?
155 [02:09:55] <rander2> reboot dont exist too
156 [02:09:58] <iflema> try whereis modprobe
157 [02:10:09] <iflema> PATH
158 [02:10:19] <mason> If you don't have reboot, something is corrupted or missing on your disk or in your environment.
159 [02:10:46] <iflema> or not in PATH
160 [02:11:27] <rander2> ok exist but was not in path
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162 [02:11:51] <mason> rander2: Were you trying to run it with su -c or something?
163 [02:12:05] <iflema> its not in devuan PATH
164 [02:12:17] <rander2> I ran su -
165 [02:12:33] <mason> There's a blurb about that. Half a sec.
166 [02:12:36] <abrotman> shutdown -r ?
167 [02:12:59] * iflema nope
168 [02:13:09] <rander2> fault was of path
169 [02:13:15] <rander2> reboot
170 [02:13:17] <mason> !su buster
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173 [02:13:50] <mason> !buster su
174 [02:13:50] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
175 [02:13:53] <mason> That's the one.
176 [02:14:02] <mason> If you used su - that ought to have worked then. Funky.
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180 [02:18:51] <rander2> a start job is running for raise network interfaces ( 1m ....)
181 [02:18:59] <rander2> last problem
182 [02:19:32] <mason> rander2: Are you using NM or ifupdown? I see that sometimes on new installs with ifupdown when the interface is marked hotplug rather than auto, IIRC.
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184 [02:21:33] <rander2> ifupdown
185 [02:21:41] <rander2> excuse wrong window
186 [02:22:04] <mason> rander2: Try marking the interface auto rather than hotplug, and depending on the system there can be a couple other weirdnesses.
187 [02:22:27] <rander2> NM
188 [02:22:29] <rander2> 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -q -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-hel
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190 [02:23:25] <mason> Did you update-initramfs after installing the iwlwifi stuff? I think it wants a copy in the initramfs. Checking.
191 [02:23:41] <mason> Oh, maybe not then.
192 [02:24:15] <abrotman> no
193 [02:24:26] <abrotman> installing it, and rebooting/reloading the module should be sufficent
194 [02:24:42] <mason> Mm, and I didn't see the driver in my initramfs on my T420.
195 [02:25:19] <mason> ...which uses iwl. I don't use NM on it, also. Only seen the start-up networking timeout thing with ifupdown.
196 [02:25:30] <rander2> No I rebooted and wifi go. I dont know initramfs
197 [02:25:43] <mason> Yeah, ignore what I asked. I was confused.
198 [02:25:49] <monkwitdafunk> hello, i plan on converting to debian gnu linux, the universal operating system. im comfortable with ubuntu and knoppix
199 [02:26:01] <monkwitdafunk> how is everyone?
200 [02:26:03] <mason> monkwitdafunk: You'll be right at home then.
201 [02:26:48] <rander2> mason, how making the interface auto ?
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203 [02:27:29] <rander2> It's incredible believe to install debian 10 on a microSD card
204 [02:27:31] <mason> rander2: It doesn't apply if you're controlling the interface with NetworkManager. With ifupdown, you say "auth eth0" or whatever on the line before "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
205 [02:27:55] <rander2> when I was child I had a hd of 1Gbite
206 [02:28:19] <mason> My first hard drive was 30MB, and that was huge compared to what was available not long before.
207 [02:29:04] <rander2> my was maxtor 1Gbite , I installed RH 6.2 to smurf on IRC :-D
208 [02:29:17] <rander2> too much dumb I was
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212 [02:31:04] <rander2> mason, I dont understart your dialogue
213 [02:31:30] <rander2> to manage interface exist ip and old ifconfig
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215 [02:31:40] <rander2> iwconfig iw for wifi card
216 [02:32:15] <monkwitdafunk> my first machine on the internet had a 320GB sata
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218 [02:32:54] <mason> rander2: NetworkManager and ifupdown are different mechanisms that do similar things. Usually NetworkManager will ignore interfaces it sees configured in /etc/network/interfaces, which is ifupdown's config.
219 [02:32:55] <monkwitdafunk> it was a SFF with intel core 2 duo, and nvidia graphics
220 [02:33:00] <monkwitdafunk> i love that machine still
221 [02:33:42] <monkwitdafunk> it has been surrendered as out of service
222 [02:34:21] <monkwitdafunk> anyone here worked with debian live?
223 [02:34:46] <iflema> on stage?
224 [02:34:52] <mason> !ask
225 [02:34:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
226 [02:36:05] <rander2> replaced-url
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228 [02:37:19] <mason> rander2: Nothing configured there, then. All NetworkManager. But you're saying it came up okay?
229 [02:37:42] <mason> rander2: Is it possible it's just talking a while to connect to your wifi?
230 [02:38:07] <rander2> yes,but at boot wait about 1 minute and write:
231 [02:38:37] <rander2> a start job for raise network interfaces...
232 [02:38:55] <rander2> after the line:
233 [02:39:12] <rander2> started network manager wait online
234 [02:39:19] <rander2> I made a photo
235 [02:39:50] <mason> rander2: A random option, what I do here is come up without a network and choose wired or wireless once I've logged in.
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238 [02:41:19] <rander2> mason, not normal it wait more than 1 minute, something interfaces is misconfigured
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240 [02:42:15] <rander2> so every time I boot I must loose lotta time
241 [02:42:34] <mason> rander2: Misconfigured, or the wifi signal is weak, or something. The logs will note if anything funny happened. Check /var/log/syslog.
242 [02:43:01] <rander2> no, wifi go now correctly
243 [02:43:25] <mason> Whatever causes your delay will likely show up in syslog and/or dmesg.
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246 [02:46:37] <rander2> replaced-url
247 [02:47:41] <mason> rander2: You've got wifi and a USB dongle both?
248 [02:47:45] <mason> built-in wifi?
249 [02:48:16] <mason> rander2: Looks like it's configuring your USB and then hanging out a long time struggling with your wireless.
250 [02:49:19] <rander2> inside wifi
251 [02:49:28] <rander2> wifi card inside laptop
252 [02:49:39] <mason> yes
253 [02:50:39] <rander2> in usb I have a microSD reader with inside microSD to make boot
254 [02:50:47] <rander2> it is HID
255 [02:51:01] <rander2> maybe it is , I dont know
256 [02:51:27] <mason> rander2: You have a USB interface, usb0, and it's getting configured via NM/DHCP
257 [02:51:30] <rander2> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 14cd:1212 Super Top microSD card reader (SY-T18)
258 [02:51:39] <mason> Not that.
259 [02:51:52] <rander2> usb0 is android tethering
260 [02:52:23] <mason> rander2: You're getting network through that. You can turn that off android-side. If you're debugging networking, simplify it a bit.
261 [02:52:26] <rander2> I[m connect to the phone with usb cable
262 [02:52:44] <rander2> ahaaa
263 [02:52:54] <rander2> I'n too much dumb
264 [02:53:01] <rander2> auto ...
265 [02:53:44] <mason> Wait, are you trying to use your phone as a mifi *and* you're tethered to it?
266 [02:53:54] <rander2> I could disable auto in config file
267 [02:54:41] <mason> Which config? What you showed us didn't have any relevant configuration to configure. Do you have something in /etc/network/interfaces.d/foo ?
268 [02:54:45] <rander2> I'm using the phone with usb tethering, I connect to the net throught tethering usb
269 [02:55:36] <rander2> yes, it seemd tome that it's possible disable auto detecting of interface at boot
270 [02:55:45] <rander2> but I dont remenber it
271 [02:56:27] <rander2> . /etc/network/interfaces.d/foo or /etc/network/interfaces
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274 [02:57:37] <rander2> reboot
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279 [03:03:53] <qskwood> Even though it's not officially supported anymore, I wonder if anyone could tell me: Is it possible to select an arbitrary apt mirror on any of the Debian releases that were distributed on floppy?
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281 [03:04:12] <qskwood> You cannot on Sarge, which appears to be the most recent on distributed on floppy images
282 [03:05:13] <rander2> I think is the microSD adapter. this laptop have a SD slot too,but booting from there compare grub rescue
283 [03:05:26] <rander2> I don't know why.
284 [03:06:39] <rander2> debian number one
285 [03:06:44] <rander2> this is sure
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289 [03:07:51] <rander2> how are the initial message on the boot ? in what log file
290 [03:08:31] <mason> dmesg and /var/log/syslog
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298 [03:16:36] <rander2> good bye all and tjx
299 [03:16:37] <rander2> thx
300 [03:16:57] <dvs> o/
301 [03:17:13] <rander2> EOF
302 [03:17:22] <rander2> :)
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312 [03:33:05] <monkwitdafunk> !ask debian live
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330 [03:52:49] <alex11> monkwitdafunk, hi, what's your question? you can just ask it or try #debian-live on the oftc network
331 [03:53:01] <alex11> if your question is about debian live
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335 [03:55:49] <monkwitdafunk> thank you
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390 [05:45:28] <bigfluff> When I use Gnome terminal for SSH, sometimes I hibernate my laptop and resume later. If I open the Terminal tab back up, the SSH session will be `stuck` but not exited back to my local shell. Is there a way to make this happen as desired? Thanks!
391 [05:47:38] <gry> maybe if you use `mosh` (requires `mosh-server` on server), but even then i'm not sure its magic will be sufficient for keeping memory of the authentication for such a long period
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394 [05:49:28] <themill> bigfluff: you can kill ssh with <enter> ~ .
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396 [05:50:14] <themill> Or use something like autossh to make it notice the dropout and reconnect faster. Or use similar config to autossh to make ssh notice that it has been disconnected faster.
397 [05:50:54] <bigfluff> gry: not worried about staying authed, just want my shell back
398 [05:53:33] <gry> it will onluy let you in the old session if it knows that it's you. not sure if mosh is clever enough , perhaps worth a try
399 [05:53:39] <gry> only
400 [05:53:58] <bigfluff> themill: `autossh` seems like the solution, thank you!
401 [05:54:23] <bigfluff> gry: thank you, I've actually never heard of mosh; not exactly what I'm after today but something I'm sure I'll tinker with later!
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408 [06:19:39] <gry> (
409 [06:19:46] <gry> :)
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501 [09:10:11] <Agiofws> hello
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507 [09:16:22] <Agiofws> i'm trying to install debian 10.6 on a new laptop i bought but the (installer+non free firmware) stalls when it tries to get a network wifi connection since there is not firmware for it yet? what are my options 1) can i build or install the the wifi module on another linux host and insmod the module when i run the installer on the laptop? does
508 [09:16:23] <Agiofws> the build host have to have the same cpu or just a 64bit arch? 2) will i have a better chance just tethering my cell phone and using that network connection with the debian installer? the wifi chipset is a realtek 8821CE chip replaced-url
509 [09:16:23] <Agiofws> site
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513 [09:21:27] <Agiofws> ?
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520 [09:26:17] <quadrathoch2> Agiofws I found this bugreport, but can't look into it, as bugs.debian.org for me is down :/ replaced-url
521 [09:26:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
522 [09:27:05] <Agiofws> isn't the live version live version installer a different version of debian then the net installer?
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524 [09:28:09] <quadrathoch2> Agiofws not really
525 [09:28:11] <Agiofws> so there is no support for the wifi yet ?
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527 [09:28:36] <quadrathoch2> Agiofws seems like it, so it loaded right now, and seems like kernel 5.2 is the earliest
528 [09:29:31] <themill> sounds like a genuine realtek wifi story
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530 [09:30:25] <Agiofws> so it loaded right now?
531 [09:30:43] <themill> It sounds like installing without wifi and then upgrading the kernel to the one from backports is the way to go
532 [09:31:39] <Agiofws> no ethernet port themill
533 [09:32:03] <themill> usb sticks are a thing :)
534 [09:32:18] <Agiofws> i have an ancient usb wifi dongel maybe 10y old probably more
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536 [09:32:55] <Agiofws> yeah but paying 10eyro for a usb eth? duno how much the cost here aswell
537 [09:33:16] <Agiofws> ethernet would be a nice temp solution
538 [09:33:42] <themill> you could even just pop the kernel packages on a usb memory stick and sneakernet them if you needed to
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545 [09:45:27] <Agiofws> themill load them with insmod?
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551 [09:49:11] <themill> no, install the kernel package
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556 [09:55:24] <shtrb> How are /dev/media used for video ? (what is it good for)
557 [09:55:50] <shtrb> I know reading or mapping /dev/videoX , but I see a plugin try to access /dev/media
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559 [09:57:49] <wisbit> morning peeps :)
560 [09:59:39] <wisbit> super noob question ... in the sources .list, I there is already a "deb deb.debian ... buster main" a little lower I have the non-free sources, does the non free line need to contain the "main" part ??? or only buster contrib non-free ?
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564 [10:00:56] <shtrb> wisbit, you can have separate lines or in one line (if that is the the same source and distribution)
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567 [10:02:05] <wisbit> replaced-url
568 [10:02:11] <wisbit> here it's should be clearer
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570 [10:02:56] <wisbit> I'm getting massive "this thing is configured multiple times" when apt-get updating
571 [10:03:21] <wisbit> shtrb: and cheers for the reply
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573 [10:04:03] <shtrb> wisbit, just make it into one line
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576 [10:04:45] <wisbit> so basically the second line style ? "main contrib non-free" ...
577 [10:04:51] <wisbit> and that will do, am I correct ?
578 [10:05:00] <wisbit> shtrb
579 [10:05:03] <shtrb> no need to have the same componenet repated twice
580 [10:05:25] <shtrb> yes , the second one is ok (if you wish to have contrib and non-free)
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582 [10:05:36] <wisbit> I do wish to have those
583 [10:05:41] <wisbit> cheers mate ;-)
584 [10:05:44] <wisbit> shtrb
585 [10:05:57] <brskq> Good day! What's a reliable way to get the parent block device in a script?
586 [10:05:57] <shtrb> cheers
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588 [10:06:28] <shtrb> brskq, would you mind rephrasing the question by what do you mean a parent block device ?
589 [10:06:28] <brskq> Is it sufficient to strip off the pXX from the end of /dev/nvme1n1p1?
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591 [10:06:51] <brskq> shtrb, The disk name of a partition name
592 [10:07:46] <brskq> I want to get /dev/nvme1n1 from /dev/nvme1n1p1, but I don't know if stripping just the p1 is reliable enough
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594 [10:08:32] <brskq> Ahh, I think lsblk -no pkname /dev/nvme1n1p1 --nodeps is what I need
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596 [10:08:49] <shtrb> brskq, /dev/nvme1n1p1 mean - nvme connection on the second connector , namespace 1 and parttion 1. but that is not how you get on what block device a file is stored
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599 [10:09:52] <brskq> shtrb, I'm not interested in knowing where a file is. I want to know the parent name (/dev/nvme1n1) of /dev/nvme1n1p1.
600 [10:10:15] <shtrb> What would be a parent mean in the context ?
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602 [10:10:54] <shtrb> The controller name ? the connection index ?
603 [10:11:16] <brskq> shtrb, /dev/nvme1n1
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606 [10:12:28] <brskq> Okay, perhaps even neater is basename "$(readlink -f "/sys/class/block/nvme1n1p1/..")"
607 [10:13:46] <shtrb> fyi you can be using "nvme list" to see the name in a proper way
608 [10:14:49] <brskq> shtrb, Won't work for magnetics will it? :P
609 [10:15:44] <shtrb> nvme is magnetic (SSD), if you meant non nvme that would be a different story (and no). what is your actual problem ?
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612 [10:17:44] <brskq> I don't want to rely on having NVMe drives. This should work for any device.
613 [10:18:01] <shtrb> What is your actual goal ? to know what devices exist ?
614 [10:18:25] <brskq> shtrb, I know which devices exist, but I also want to know the parent without digging through a tree
615 [10:18:30] <shtrb> because it could be /dev/sdX , /dev/srX , /dev/hdX , /dev/mapper/ etc
616 [10:18:50] <brskq> I'm aware, and it should work for that as well
617 [10:19:47] <shtrb> Let take a simple example of /dev/mapper/root there is no parsing on that name to know what physical device (or network device) it arrived from
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621 [10:21:15] <brskq> I can live with that
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623 [10:21:45] <shtrb> You can use lsblk to get more information (as there much more information there) , and it will give you what namespace and device is holding parttions
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625 [10:22:14] <brskq> shtrb, Yeah, pkname seems to be it
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655 [11:02:03] <petaflot> uh hello. I'm trying to upgrade an old stretch on an alix that has been offline for a while, but I get dpkg: considering deconfiguration of sysvinit-utils, which would be broken by installation of util-linux ...
656 [11:02:07] <petaflot> dpkg: no, sysvinit-utils is essential, will not deconfigure it in order to enable installation of util-linux
657 [11:02:08] <dpkg> petaflot: okay
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659 [11:02:37] <petaflot> couldn't find any relevant results on google and I was hoping someone here coulod give me a clue
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661 [11:04:01] <shtrb> petaflot, you wish to upgrade stretch to most recent stretch packages or to buster ?
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663 [11:04:50] <jelly> dpkg: forget sysvinit-utils
664 [11:04:51] <dpkg> i forgot sysvinit-utils, jelly
665 [11:05:22] <jelly> petaflot: read carefully and show all of these:
666 [11:05:24] <jelly> !bat
667 [11:05:25] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
668 [11:05:30] <petaflot> jelly: what did I accidentally tell dpkg to do?
669 [11:05:55] <JustASlacker> anybody ever hat the problem that a single durpal page will return a 500error with apache and php-fpm but works fine with mod_php
670 [11:05:59] <JustASlacker> all other pages dont care
671 [11:06:22] <JustASlacker> and I meant drupal ^_^ not durpal
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673 [11:07:19] <jelly> petaflot: "no, XXX is YYY" is bot syntax to replace any previous contents of XXX factoid with YYY
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697 [11:33:05] <shtrb> jelly, saved the day about my /media/video0 question above - replaced-url
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700 [11:38:45] <shtrb> Is it normal for a webcam application (pidgin) to request write access to /dev/video0 ? ( audit: type=1400 audit(1606981908.527:57): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/bin/pidgin" name="/dev/video0" pid=11938 comm="gst-plugin-scan" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=1000 ouid=0)
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704 [11:39:50] <jelly> shtrb: if you're asking whether it's normal for a video chat app to configure options for the webcam, yes
705 [11:40:23] <shtrb> isn't /dev/video0 should be read only by a webcam application ?
706 [11:41:27] <shtrb> based on the link you provided I assume that if it uses /dev/media0 to control flow , it shouldn't be attempting to write to /dev/video0 (If I understood correctly the link you gave )
707 [11:42:45] <jelly> if you're asking whether it's possible that linux ABI for video devices is a mess, the answer is also yes
708 [11:43:55] <jelly> strace the app, see what it does with the fd later, draw conclusions
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712 [11:45:54] <shtrb> for now it's SIGSEGVing :-(
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721 [11:52:46] <jelly> shtrb: fwiw guvcview does not touch /dev/media0, just /dev/video0
722 [11:53:43] <shtrb> thanks
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725 [11:59:29] <petaflot> this is weird. apt update tells me there are packages to remove, but apt autoremove doesn't remove them
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727 [12:00:08] * petaflot fixed the previous block with a manual install of util-linux
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731 [12:01:41] <petaflot> now apt basically crashes on every package, so I worked around it with while [ 1 ] ; do apt upgrade -qy --allow-unauthenticated ; sleep 1 ; apt -fy install ; sleep 1 ; done - but it takes a vast amount of time.. some 450 packages upgrade that way
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740 [12:09:34] <ksk> !bat
741 [12:09:34] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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743 [12:09:52] <ksk> oh, was already triggered for you, nevermind..
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746 [12:10:18] <petaflot> ksk yep....
747 [12:10:37] <ksk> Don't expect help, if you choose to ignore it :)
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751 [12:15:00] <petaflot> ksk: that's not it ;-) I manage to move forward little by little on my own. just trying to keep you up-to-date in case I fail and need more help. then I'll paste all you need
752 [12:15:57] <petaflot> esp. since stretch is obsolete
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755 [12:17:35] <ksk> petaflot: just saying, if you run "--allow-unauthenticated" you cannot really vouche for your systems integrity anymore, would be a huge nono in any company enviroment ;)
756 [12:17:48] <ksk> It might be more feasible to install a second, up2date Debian box, and do a data-migration from the old one.
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758 [12:22:16] <petaflot> ksk: the only package concerned is nginx
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762 [12:24:24] <jelly> petaflot: LTS team is managing stretch for some architecture, it's not obsolete yet
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769 [12:25:54] <petaflot> jelly: oh, thanks for the update
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780 [12:39:26] <tarzeau> can someone come up with an exact curl command to upload a screenshot at replaced-url
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791 [12:52:21] <JustASlacker> open the developer thingy in your webbrowser and copy the curl command from there tarzeau
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794 [12:53:30] <petaflot> ok. kmod fails to install: replaced-url
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798 [12:54:44] <petaflot> by the way, does paste.debian.net come with a packaged tool to pipe output to a new paste?
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800 [12:55:30] <themill> ,i pastebinit
801 [12:55:32] <judd> Package pastebinit (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: command-line pastebin client. Version: 1.5-2; Size: 42.6k; Installed: 314k; Homepage: replaced-url
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848 [13:42:29] <dpkg> buster-lts is <reply>It is expected that extended security support for Debian 10 "Buster" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in mid 2022. See replaced-url
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969 [15:56:37] <litb> hello folks
970 [15:56:56] <litb> I'm on a debian system, but I'm unsure whether it's debian testing or sid
971 [15:57:11] <litb> debian_Version says "bullseye/sid"
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973 [15:57:28] <litb> but apt sources list says deb replaced-url
974 [15:57:32] <litb> not sid
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977 [15:58:29] <ksk> ,v base-files
978 [15:58:30] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- jessie: 8+deb8u11; stretch: 9.9+deb9u13; buster: 10.3+deb10u6; buster-proposed-updates: 10.3+deb10u7; bullseye: 11; sid: 11
979 [15:59:04] <ksk> okay, thats not helpful :D
980 [16:00:05] <litb> ah i know
981 [16:00:15] <litb> it always says the name of the testing release and "/sid" in it
982 [16:01:34] <litb> okay, next question :p there's a "twinkle" in buster and in sid. but in between, in bullseye, it is missing
983 [16:02:05] <litb> should it not have either a twinkle of buster, or a twinkle of sid? does this thing happen often that there's a package missing in testing?
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986 [16:04:10] <ksk> ,v twinkle
987 [16:04:11] <judd> Package: twinkle on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-2; buster: 1:1.10.1+dfsg-4; sid: 1:1.10.2+dfsg-1
988 [16:04:23] <ksk> !testing security
989 [16:04:23] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
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991 [16:05:14] <ksk> This is about security, but I would assume that its true in general for testing. In Sid packages are allowed to be broken as far as I can tell, but you would have to remove something from testing, if you were not able to fix it "according to debian guidelines" in a given timeframe
992 [16:05:43] <ksk> This channel is for Debian stable btw, please move your testing disscussions to
993 [16:05:45] <ksk> !debian-next
994 [16:05:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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1017 [16:30:51] <jelly> dpkg: why is twinkle not in testing
1018 [16:30:51] <dpkg> twinkle is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
1019 [16:31:01] <jelly> litb: ^
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1023 [16:32:34] <ratrace> twinkle twinkle little star ..... the DeadSpace edition.
1024 [16:33:02] <litb> hm
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1030 [16:39:50] <EdePopede> with a link to replaced-url
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1032 [16:40:01] <EdePopede> which is ANOTHER debian hosts i've never seen before
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1068 [17:08:35] <ksk> replaced-url
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1070 [17:09:00] <ksk> sounds a little bit like CICD, but from 1990 /hides
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1074 [17:12:46] <jhutchins> EdePopede: What is twinkle?
1075 [17:13:11] <EdePopede> sounds like a cool tool this piuparts
1076 [17:13:58] <EdePopede> jhutchins: read here for the first time of it. something more like half an hour ago.
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1078 [17:15:37] <jhutchins> I haven't heard of anybody who's succeded in SMS on a PC.
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1081 [17:16:17] <jhutchins> I know people have assumed they could do it with a tethered phone, but like I said, haven't heard of it working.
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1086 [17:18:08] <EdePopede> oh, a Qt3 softphone with some dirty Qt4 hacks
1087 [17:18:51] <EdePopede> i sent one single SMS from my PC with some web service. not sure they even exist anymore. was like 15 years ago.
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1104 [17:34:57] <jhutchins> Yeah, they're out there, mostly by subscription. I mean direct from the PC to the SMS network.
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1106 [17:35:26] <jhutchins> There are fewer SMS services though, because everybody has email on their phone one way or another.
1107 [17:35:44] <jhutchins> SMS was REALLY a big deal in Europe, but I think it's dying out there too.
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1109 [17:36:17] <jhutchins> EdePopede: Is that voice-over-ip?
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1117 [17:39:29] <EdePopede> if you mean twinkle, replaced-url
1118 [17:39:30] <jelly> messaging is a huge market, and includes more than SMS these days
1119 [17:39:57] <coconut> If i would change from ubuntu-mate to debian, which version should i download?
1120 [17:40:00] <EdePopede> my phone had T9, SMS was a pita with that idiotic system
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1124 [17:42:59] <quadrathoch2> jhutchins sms in the eu is more dead than in the US. kinda sad, as whatsapp is everywhere here
1125 [17:43:28] <quadrathoch2> coconut there is only 1 version. so go with that ;)
1126 [17:44:35] <coconut> quadrathoch2, weren't there stable, unstable and experimental version?
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1128 [17:45:17] <quadrathoch2> coconut oh you meant that. yeah still is, but I would start out with stable, as if you really want/need you can still upgrade
1129 [17:46:27] <coconut> quadrathoch2, but what debian version will "have the same" packages as my ubuntu has now?
1130 [17:46:50] <quadrathoch2> coconut which version do you run? 20.04? 20.10?
1131 [17:46:53] <quadrathoch2> 18.04?
1132 [17:49:45] <jelly> coconut: current debian release has software versions from early 2019/late 2018 + security patches; except for web browsers and some other bits
1133 [17:50:02] <jelly> which are newer
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1136 [17:51:28] <coconut> quadrathoch2, i am on 20.04.1 at the moment, and do not know when i will update to another.
1137 [17:52:06] <quadrathoch2> 20.04 has newer software, so you would theoretically "downgrade" but debian 11 comes out next year, so it will be newer ;) coconut
1138 [17:52:56] <coconut> i see, then i will check when v11 is out :)
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1151 [18:08:51] <sway> I'm new to Debian so apologies if this is well known - but will an ugrade from 10 to 11 require a re-install of the OS ?
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1154 [18:10:03] <Haohmaru> define "re-install"
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1156 [18:10:50] <sway> Backing up /home and user data and re-imaging w/ debian 11.
1157 [18:11:06] <Haohmaru> you would probably wanna make backups
1158 [18:11:40] <Haohmaru> but otherwise it would be like a normal upgrade, plus some tricky manouvers
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1160 [18:12:07] <Haohmaru> one of the tricky things is that your sources.list changes to point to the new debian places
1161 [18:12:09] <jelly> sway: it won't, being able to upgrade in place is a major feature for Debian
1162 [18:12:17] <Haohmaru> potentially a pile of packages are gonna be new versions
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1164 [18:12:33] <sway> jelly, perfect. many thanks.
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1166 [18:12:45] <jelly> you will however want to read the release notes and not do it blindly
1167 [18:12:54] <sway> understood
1168 [18:12:58] <Haohmaru> yes, read that stuff
1169 [18:13:25] <Haohmaru> is 11 knocking on the door?
1170 [18:13:36] <jelly> !wwbr
1171 [18:13:37] <dpkg> hmm... wwbr is now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready."
1172 [18:14:06] <jelly> !bullseye freeze
1173 [18:14:07] <dpkg> The first steps of the <freeze> to release Debian 11 "Bullseye" will start on January 12, 2021. replaced-url
1174 [18:14:18] <Haohmaru> ah
1175 [18:14:49] <Haohmaru> freeze is when new things aren't added, but instead, the existing ones are supposedly polished and fixed
1176 [18:14:52] <Haohmaru> right?
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1180 [18:20:54] <jhutchins> He's gone, but that's right.
1181 [18:21:25] <jhutchins> coconut: You really shouldn't expect ubuntu and debian to have the same packages, let alone the same versions.
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1186 [18:31:54] <coconut> jhutchins, with the same i mean the newness vs. stability of apps
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1193 [18:36:21] <jak2000> hi
1194 [18:36:30] <jak2000> how to know which process uses port 3306 ?
1195 [18:39:49] <nemo> jak2000: fuser -n tcp ?
1196 [18:40:19] <nemo> $ sudo fuser -a -n tcp 3306
1197 [18:40:41] <nemo> hm. isn't 3306 maria?
1198 [18:40:53] <nemo> oh look. you're in the maria channell too 😃
1199 [18:40:57] <nemo> *channel
1200 [18:41:00] <coconut> jhutchins, you saying that debian and ubuntu have different packagers? (i am aware of that).
1201 [18:41:04] <nemo> ps auwxf | grep maria 😝
1202 [18:41:12] <nemo> or mysql
1203 [18:41:18] <lyubov>
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1206 [18:43:10] <jak2000> YES MARIA AND MYSQL
1207 [18:43:13] <jak2000> sorry fo caps
1208 [18:44:28] <nemo> heh our DBA at work always ends up being in all caps too ☺ I use capslock for XCompose myself, but there seems to be some SQL tradition of doing everything in uppercase
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1212 [18:45:39] <tramplefoot> !dpkg xfdesktop
1213 [18:45:51] <tramplefoot> uhh
1214 [18:46:04] <tramplefoot> +dpkg xfdesktop/bullseye
1215 [18:46:26] <tramplefoot> i keep forgetting the debhelper command
1216 [18:47:14] <sney> what are you trying to do
1217 [18:47:22] <FightingFalcon> Whats the best malware detection software for debian?
1218 [18:48:05] <tramplefoot> there is only one in the official repositories
1219 [18:48:09] <tramplefoot> clamav
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1221 [18:48:22] <nemo> tramplefoot: no snort ?
1222 [18:48:28] <nemo> I guess IDS != malware detection
1223 [18:48:34] <nemo> they kinda overlap tho
1224 [18:48:54] <tramplefoot> well snort isn't an "antivirus" in layman's terms
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1227 [18:49:14] <nemo> well he said malware detection, not AV
1228 [18:49:18] <nemo> there's also rkhunter
1229 [18:51:15] <tramplefoot> if you count the speciality tools there is more than a dozen
1230 [18:51:25] <tramplefoot> chkrootkit, checksecurity
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1245 [19:05:31] <jak2000> nemo: replaced-url
1246 [19:05:44] <jak2000> can you see the result, please
1247 [19:06:45] <nemo> jak2000: nothing is listening on tcp - try udp
1248 [19:07:29] <jak2000> nothing but see the line: 15
1249 [19:07:54] <nemo> jak2000: that's a formatted 46209
1250 [19:08:01] <nemo> you can see that by line 5
1251 [19:09:49] <jak2000> replaced-url
1252 [19:09:51] <jak2000> strange
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1257 [19:14:05] <jak2000> nemo: replaced-url
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1261 [19:17:36] <nemo> jak2000: I don't know much about your program, but my suspicion is it is colliding with itself
1262 [19:17:43] <nemo> jak2000: your start script is trying to run twice. or something
1263 [19:17:48] <nemo> so when it exits, both are killed
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1265 [19:18:05] <nemo> jak2000: you'd probably see this if you ran the fuser in a separate shell in a loop
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1294 [19:47:08] <alex11> is setting chmod 1777 to /dev/shm considered good practice? it's what the messages advise you to do when running an electron program with no sandboxing
1295 [19:47:36] <alex11> if you try to run them normally (some of them, anyway) you get 'please set chmod 4755 to ...' which is a file in /tmp that doesn't exist
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1299 [19:50:02] <sney> alex11: unless I'm mistaken, that's already the default for /dev/shm.
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1303 [19:51:13] <sney> alex11: you could always create the requested file in /tmp and see what happens. touch /tmp/foo && chmod 4755 /tmp/foo
1304 [19:51:27] <alex11> oh, wow
1305 [19:51:29] <alex11> i never thought of that
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1309 [19:54:43] <alex11> hmm, it just spams me with different files that it asks me to chmod to 4755
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1336 [20:27:18] <netcrash> Hello
1337 [20:27:55] <netcrash> I'm using debian buster , I downloaded the source for freeradius and it's 3.0.21 but the one installed is 3.0.17 , what can be the cause for the diference ( ran update and upgrade already )
1338 [20:28:19] <netcrash> ?
1339 [20:28:34] <greycat> ,v freeradius
1340 [20:28:35] <judd> Package: freeradius on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.17+dfsg-1.1; buster-backports: 3.0.21+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2
1341 [20:29:01] <greycat> you either didn't get the source from a buster repository... or you didn't get the source from a repository, period
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1343 [20:29:28] <greycat> how did you download the source?
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1345 [20:30:37] <netcrash> apt source xxxx
1346 [20:31:05] <greycat> xxxx? really?
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1349 [20:31:25] <greycat> perhaps you configured your sources.list to include deb-src lines for sid or bullseye, and forgot?
1350 [20:31:32] <netcrash> apt source freeradius-ldap
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1354 [20:32:03] <greycat> it's a common enough configuration for people who are building backports
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1356 [20:32:54] <netcrash> thank you , I had lines below for backports and above did not had backports , two cases were present
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1364 [20:45:49] <jhutchins> greycat: Looks like 3.0.17 is stretch/buster and 21 is buster backports, or am I reading that wrong?
1365 [20:45:56] <NetTerminalGene> my buster checks updates auto and shows me notification. how can i disable auto update check?
1366 [20:46:11] <greycat> ,v freeradius
1367 [20:46:12] <judd> Package: freeradius on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2+deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.12+dfsg-5+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.17+dfsg-1.1; buster-backports: 3.0.21+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 3.0.21+dfsg-2+b2
1368 [20:47:55] <mutante> ,v cowsay
1369 [20:47:56] <judd> Package: cowsay on amd64 -- jessie: 3.03+dfsg1-10; stretch: 3.03+dfsg2-3; buster: 3.03+dfsg2-6; bullseye: 3.03+dfsg2-8; sid: 3.03+dfsg2-8
1370 [20:48:20] <greycat> very stable.
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1374 [20:50:39] <mutante> but still some development, i guess it's about removing offensive cow "fonts" :p
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1390 [21:02:27] <bauen1> i'm currently trying to figure out how i can setup my own apt repo on a remote server while doing any security relevant signing offline (and trying to find a good tool for the job), as I understand the wiki and handbook, the Release file containing hashes of all packages is signed and later verified by apt-get install, but the signature of individual packages is never checked by apt-get ?
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1398 [21:06:33] <mutante> bauen1: depends if there is "no-debsig" in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg
1399 [21:06:37] <mutante> replaced-url
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1401 [21:07:13] <mutante> bauen1: the tool to use to import packages into your repo would be "reprepro"
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1403 [21:07:55] <bauen1> mutante: but i still want to use debians normal repos so i'm required to have "no-debsig" ?
1404 [21:08:52] <bauen1> in that case i would probably want to run reprepro on my local machine to generate the entire repository and then rsync the result to my server ?
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1406 [21:09:33] <mutante> bauen1: hmm. yes, that is true. but that file dpkg.cfg should just set defaults.. on the commandline you still user other options
1407 [21:09:38] <mutante> can
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1411 [21:10:11] <mutante> not sure, but it sounds like rsyncing data should work
1412 [21:10:13] <bauen1> mutante: ideally it would be as plug-and-play as it gets (add gpg key with apt-key, add repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, apt-get install)
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1414 [21:12:12] <mutante> bauen1: build a meta package that does that stuff ? if you can write it as bash script then you can just paste it into "postinst" I think
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1416 [21:13:14] <bauen1> mutante: rsync should work, does mean an additional (useless) copy but will work
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1427 [21:21:05] <mutante> bauen1: so you could enable it in the default dpkg.config and then if you need it use --no-debsig to disable it on case by case basis. Then I was wondering how to tell apt.. but .. also "Note: debsigs are an early and long-disused signature method built into dpkg. They were superseded long, long ago by distros and apt."
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1429 [21:21:41] <mutante> so maybe ignore that part and look just at "secure-apt"
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1470 [21:58:48] <bauen1> is there an easy way to find out what packages won't get installed if i disable installing recommends in the installer ?
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1472 [22:00:32] <sney> you could probably get aptitude to print a full list of recommends of a given metapackage
1473 [22:01:55] <sney> however, recommends are meant to be enabled in all but edge cases, so it's better to only disable it at the command line to get a specific result. otherwise you will be missing functionality in too many places.
1474 [22:02:01] <sney> !why recommends
1475 [22:02:02] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
1476 [22:03:10] <bauen1> sney: thanks, i know which is why i was trying to find if i was going to remove anything important (for my case) first
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1493 [22:16:01] <bauen1> is there a nice way of excluding certain packages from installation, even if the package is marked as `important` (yes i know what i'm doing), or maybe a way of not installing packages marked as `important` at all ? (then i can "manuall" add the once i need)
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1495 [22:17:24] <jhutchins> bauen1: Well, one way is to not install anything.
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1497 [22:17:57] <bauen1> jhutchins: i don't know, i would like to have my standard text editor ed installed
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1499 [22:18:36] <bauen1> the use case is to not install ifupdown since later systemd-networkd will be used and it is incompatible with my security policy that is supposed to be setup in the installer
1500 [22:19:19] <jhutchins> bauen1: Having software installed doesn't mean you have to use it.
1501 [22:20:14] <bauen1> jhutchins: that isn't entirely true, since some things will still try to run (and will be prevented by the security policy, leading to very annoying log messages or in the worst case failure to boot)
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1514 [22:33:42] <rander2> hello
1515 [22:34:19] <unixbsd> I disk put partition to 63 (linux hurd gnu) and did mkfs.xfs -f /dev/sdb5 ;) it works fine.
1516 [22:34:33] <rander2> ifconfig wlan0 up
1517 [22:34:36] <rander2> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
1518 [22:35:02] <rander2> I rebooted the machine , but it's the same. What is this ?
1519 [22:36:48] <sney> rander2: hardware wifi switch or fn-key?
1520 [22:37:25] <sney> you can also try e.g. 'rfkill unblock wlan0'
1521 [22:38:06] <sney> or see rfkill list to get the actual id
1522 [22:38:08] <rander2> it's the same , dont change nothing. It's the first time do it in about 3 years
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1524 [22:38:30] <rander2> Fn + F2 here, but nothing to do
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1526 [22:40:14] <sney> check if it's disabled in the bios/efi
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1531 [22:43:36] <rander2> sney, ok problem solved, Fn+F2 and after ifconfig wlan0 up.
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1539 [22:48:09] <agiofws> hello
1540 [22:48:30] <agiofws> how do i install a mouse in console mode ?
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1542 [22:49:10] <agiofws> i need to copy paste i have no X yet
1543 [22:49:16] <jmcnaught> agiofws: try the gpm package
1544 [22:49:34] <agiofws> i installed buster on my laptop and x hangs
1545 [22:49:42] <agiofws> ok
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1547 [22:51:10] <agiofws> Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices i have an intergrated gpu on my cpu chip amd 4500u
1548 [22:51:44] <agiofws> can i check something in X or configure X ?
1549 [22:51:45] <sney> if you are trying to copy/paste in config files, nano has ctrl+k and ctrl+u. if you need to make pastebins, you can use termbin from the command line:
1550 [22:51:48] <sney> !termbin
1551 [22:51:48] <dpkg> you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
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1553 [22:53:02] <agiofws> E: Unable to locate package termbin
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1555 [22:53:47] <phorce1> So, I pulled an old system out of the closet with some websites I wanted to toss back up. It's running **SQUEEZE**. What's the best way to upgrade it since all the keys are expired?
1556 [22:53:54] <nkuttler> agiofws: see what dpkg said
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1558 [22:54:03] <sney> agiofws: the only package you need for termbin is netcat-traditional, see dpkg's message
1559 [22:54:31] <agiofws> ~replaced-url
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1561 [22:56:09] <agiofws> any pointers on how to get X up on a amd intergrated gpu?
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1564 [22:56:50] <sney> agiofws: we would need more of the X log than that
1565 [22:56:53] <sney> ...
1566 [22:57:01] <nkuttler> agiofws: fwiw, i just resurrected an old laptop with such a gpu, didn't get x to work, but wayland works..
1567 [22:57:36] <rander2> nothing
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1569 [22:58:33] <rander2> wlan0 go on, but it's not visible by NM
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1572 [22:59:10] <sney> rander2: is wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces? n-m will ignore interfaces configured there.
1573 [22:59:15] <agiofws> did i miss aything ?
1574 [22:59:25] <sney> agiofws: we would need the whole X log to determine the problem, not just the end of it
1575 [22:59:27] <agiofws> cannot scroll up
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1577 [22:59:58] <agiofws> sney: the Xorg.log.0 ?
1578 [23:00:03] <sney> agiofws: yes
1579 [23:00:09] <agiofws> ok
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1581 [23:00:17] <rander2> no it isnt
1582 [23:00:19] <jhutchins> !amd
1583 [23:00:20] <dpkg> Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>.
1584 [23:01:04] <agiofws> replaced-url
1585 [23:01:27] <sney> agiofws: you need firmware-amd-graphics
1586 [23:02:02] <agiofws> is in the repo can i install it through apt ?
1587 [23:02:07] <agiofws> is it*
1588 [23:02:09] <sney> yes, you just need to enable non-free
1589 [23:02:12] <sney> !non-free sources
1590 [23:02:13] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1591 [23:02:51] <jhutchins> agiofws: amd/ati make a LOT of different graphics devices, so we need to know which one it actually. Boot to multiuser.target, log in as root, and do an lspci -nn. Give use the 8 character PCIID for the "VGA" adapter.
1592 [23:02:59] <agiofws> this net install is a nofree firmware version but i don't know if i need to edit my soources?
1593 [23:03:10] <sney> jhutchins: lag?
1594 [23:03:44] <sney> agiofws: if you used the non-free installer then you probably don't need to edit sources, try installing the package
1595 [23:03:47] <rander2> sney, replaced-url
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1597 [23:03:55] <agiofws> jhutchins: kk
1598 [23:03:56] <jhutchins> Possibly, am I issing it in ths SB?
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1600 [23:04:09] <rander2> so wifi dont go
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1602 [23:04:32] <sney> agiofws: you don't need to do what jhutchins said, the X log provided that information
1603 [23:04:38] <moldorcoder7> what is the best way to get the ip of an host without dig
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1605 [23:05:09] <moldorcoder7> host is not package in debian anymnore right ?
1606 [23:05:21] <sney> ,file bin/host
1607 [23:05:21] <jhutchins> Ah.
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1609 [23:05:26] <judd> Search for bin/host in buster/amd64: bind9-host: usr/bin/host
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1611 [23:05:40] <agiofws> E: Package 'firmware-amd-graphics' has no installation candidate
1612 [23:05:43] <jhutchins> sney: I haven't done it that way before. Didn't know it was there.
1613 [23:06:06] <jhutchins> agiofws: Proceed to follow sney. I will lurk back and learn.
1614 [23:06:15] <sney> jhutchins: in any case, the fact that X is trying to load the radeon driver is enough information, and all 3 amd drivers have their blobs in firmware-amd-graphics
1615 [23:06:19] <agiofws> maybe i need to edit soources
1616 [23:06:19] <agiofws> ?
1617 [23:06:30] <sney> agiofws: yes
1618 [23:07:04] <dvs> agiofws: <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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1621 [23:08:24] <agiofws> ok sec
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1627 [23:11:31] <agiofws> sney: like that replaced-url
1628 [23:11:57] <sney> yes
1629 [23:12:37] <agiofws> ok downloading it
1630 [23:12:53] <agiofws> will i have to reconfigure x ? or just reboot?
1631 [23:13:36] <agiofws> or edit xorg the xorg file if thats what they still use i thought is was decaprecated?
1632 [23:13:55] <sney> just reboot, it will load automatically
1633 [23:14:03] <agiofws> ok
1634 [23:14:20] <agiofws> testing it and thank you for all the tips
1635 [23:14:27] <agiofws> :)
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1640 [23:20:43] <agiofws> sney no luck would you like a termbin of xorg again?
1641 [23:20:57] <sney> ok
1642 [23:21:47] <ctcx> I accidentally used the command "xxd" aline without parameters as root user, because I was trying to read a file inside /sys/firmware, but I mis-hit the enter key before.
1643 [23:21:51] <agiofws> replaced-url
1644 [23:21:51] <ctcx> Is this dangerous?
1645 [23:22:14] <ctcx> *alone
1646 [23:22:28] <sney> ctcx: no more dangerous than something like cat or gzip
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1648 [23:23:14] <agiofws> does X need internet to work?
1649 [23:23:21] <greycat> no
1650 [23:23:30] <agiofws> ok
1651 [23:23:48] <sney> agiofws: can you pastebin your 'dmesg' as well?
1652 [23:24:02] <agiofws> ok
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1654 [23:24:17] <mrkramps> i do not think buster alreadey ships firmware for an amd ryzen 5 4500U apu
1655 [23:25:08] <ctcx> sney: so, even as root user, by issuing the command alone it'll just wait for keyboard input to process, but I'll not be hacked just for that, right?
1656 [23:25:24] <agiofws> replaced-url
1657 [23:26:35] <sney> mrkramps: good catch, I didn't notice how new the device was.
1658 [23:26:39] <mrkramps> i guess agiofws will need firmware from backports
1659 [23:26:53] <sney> kernel and firmware from backports, most likely
1660 [23:27:25] <mrkramps> cannot find renoir firmware in backports
1661 [23:27:45] <agiofws> renior?
1662 [23:27:46] <sney> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
1663 [23:27:47] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20200918-1; sid/non-free: 20200918-1
1664 [23:28:14] <sney> buster-backport's firmware dump is from september so that should be current enough for a cpu that came out in march.
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1666 [23:28:28] <ctcx> ??
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1668 [23:28:43] <sney> agiofws: enable buster-backports, then apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics
1669 [23:28:45] <mrkramps> stupid me, checked the wrong package :)
1670 [23:28:46] <sney> !buster-backports
1671 [23:28:47] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
1672 [23:29:02] <mrkramps> firmware from backports has renoir blobs
1673 [23:29:33] <mrkramps> replaced-url
1674 [23:29:48] <agiofws> enable them in sources.list?
1675 [23:29:59] <greycat> read the Instructions link for backports
1676 [23:30:02] <sney> agiofws: yes, see the link in dpkg's message above
1677 [23:30:32] <ctcx> So, even as root user, by issuing the command alone it'll just wait for keyboard input to process, but I'll not be hacked just for that, right?
1678 [23:30:40] <agiofws> i hope i can read it through lynx
1679 [23:30:44] <agiofws> ?
1680 [23:30:56] <agiofws> !bdo
1681 [23:30:56] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
1682 [23:30:57] <sney> ctcx: yes
1683 [23:31:14] <sney> agiofws: add this to sources.list: deb replaced-url
1684 [23:31:31] <ctcx> thanks
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1686 [23:33:01] <dvs> no contrib for firmware?
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1688 [23:34:10] <sney> dvs: righto
1689 [23:34:20] <sney> agiofws: with 'contrib non-free' on the end of that one too
1690 [23:35:00] <greycat> and read the Instructions link because you can't just use "apt install pkgname"
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1699 [23:42:23] <agiofws> ok added and updated do i install renoir ?
1700 [23:42:35] <agiofws> is there such a package ?
1701 [23:42:41] <sney> apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics
1702 [23:43:04] <sney> renoir is the codename of your cpu, the firmware-amd-graphics package has support for it along with many others
1703 [23:43:17] <agiofws> kk
1704 [23:45:06] <agiofws> ok its installing
1705 [23:45:16] <agiofws> would i reboot after this?
1706 [23:45:21] <mrkramps> yes
1707 [23:45:36] <greycat> you always have to reboot for a new kernel to be used
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1709 [23:46:10] <sney> they've been promising kexec live kernel updates for over a decade now. I wonder if it'll ever materialize
1710 [23:46:20] <mrkramps> ^^
1711 [23:46:30] <greycat> probably not
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1719 [23:50:21] <agiofws> ok sney that worked :)
1720 [23:50:28] <sney> great!
1721 [23:50:40] <agiofws> great for you
1722 [23:50:42] <dvs> booo!
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1724 [23:51:04] <agiofws> do these dialogues get logged anywhere?
1725 [23:51:12] <greycat> !irc log
1726 [23:51:22] <agiofws> incase i have to repeat the steps
1727 [23:51:27] <greycat> !irclog
1728 [23:51:27] <dpkg> rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
1729 [23:52:08] <greycat> if you exited out of your root shell cleanly before rebooting, they should be in root's .bash_history as well
1730 [23:52:43] <greycat> or if you used sudo as yourself, then in YOUR .bash_history, again only if you exited the shell cleanly
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