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1 [00:00:32] <Brigo> sparky4, i would start with syslog, if nothing there Xorg.0.log and then kernel.log
2 [00:02:49] <JordiGH> What's going on with virtualbox on stable?
3 [00:03:02] <greycat> !virtualbox
4 [00:03:03] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is <virtualization> software. Not in buster and unlikely to be in any future debian stable releases due to #794466. Unofficial backports are available as well as 3rd party packages from Oracle, see replaced-url
5 [00:03:27] <JordiGH> !virt-manager
6 [00:03:28] <dpkg> Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) is a desktop user interface for managing the linux Kernel Virtual Machine (KVM) as well as Xen VMs and LXC, with very similar functionality to <virtualbox>. replaced-url
7 [00:03:41] <JordiGH> Oh, can it use the same images?
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10 [00:04:18] <sparky4> zandronum is not laggy just daikatana and sauerbraten
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15 [00:06:00] <jhutchins> sparky4: There are a lot of performance monitoring tools to tell you what components which parts of a program are using too highly. Top, atop, sysstat, etc.
16 [00:06:22] <jhutchins> sparky4: You might also see something in dmesg
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18 [00:06:47] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: replaced-url
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20 [00:07:33] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: there's also virt-convert(1) in the virtinst package
21 [00:07:44] <jhutchins> sparky4: You should also probably check out the support channels for those games and see if there's some known issue.
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23 [00:07:51] <jhutchins> sparky4: Why can't you upgrade?
24 [00:07:58] <zerocool> i support kvm+qemu\libvirt over vbox
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26 [00:08:05] <sparky4> jhutchins: !! Nvidia 304 driver is required for my computer
27 [00:08:34] <jhutchins> sparky4: So install it.
28 [00:08:35] <JordiGH> Hm, so what's the quickest way to get a VM?
29 [00:08:47] <sparky4> jhutchins: it is not in the newer versions except SID
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32 [00:09:51] <jhutchins> sparky4: So backport it or use the nvidia package.
33 [00:10:06] <zerocool> JordiGH: replaced-url
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35 [00:10:33] <sparky4> jhutchins: how do i backport it? and i dont know if it works and i dont want to risk breaking my main computer
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37 [00:10:46] <sparky4> i need a nother terrabyte HDD
38 [00:10:56] <JordiGH> zerocool: tl;dr :-(((((
39 [00:11:05] <zerocool> JordiGH: it's super easy bruh
40 [00:11:10] <zerocool> `apt-get install qemu-system libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system virt-manager`
41 [00:11:20] <jmcnaught> That version of the NVIDIA driver might not be compatible with the version of Xorg in buster, I would check before upgrading
42 [00:11:35] <sparky4> i tried. it's not
43 [00:11:55] <zerocool> sudo adduser JordiGH libvirt
44 [00:12:10] <zerocool> open virt-manager connect to localhost
45 [00:12:32] <zerocool> i think virt-manager's gui name is "Virtual Machine Manager"
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52 [00:17:02] <zerocool> JordiGH: you should make sure hardware virtualization is enabled in uefi/bios when you get a chance
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54 [00:17:25] <JordiGH> Yeah, it's enabled.
55 [00:17:32] <JordiGH> idgi, where does the image come from?
56 [00:17:44] <JordiGH> What am I going to virtualise?
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58 [00:17:48] <zerocool> JordiGH: what "image" are you looking for?
59 [00:18:01] <zerocool> JordiGH: that's up to you, what do you want to virtualize.
60 [00:18:42] <JordiGH> Right, i want to download something to virtualise.
61 [00:18:59] <zerocool> Windows, Linux, MacOS?
62 [00:19:05] <JordiGH> Loonix. Ubuntu, I guess.
63 [00:19:15] <zerocool> So download Ubuntu ISO
64 [00:19:22] <sparky4> sigh
65 [00:19:23] <JordiGH> I have to run the Ubuntu install?
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67 [00:19:43] <JordiGH> There aren't kvm images like with virtual box that I can just download with the installation already done?
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69 [00:19:48] <zerocool> you can run the live image if you please
70 [00:20:03] <JordiGH> Okay, so people don't just distribute images like they do with virtualbox.
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72 [00:20:39] <koollman> JordiGH: some people do
73 [00:20:54] <zerocool> you can probably convert the vbox images to kvm. iirc the images you're talking about are literally zips that contain configs and disks
74 [00:21:29] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
75 [00:22:31] <zerocool> kvm+qemu\libvirt is basically what the cloud runs on so im sure there are images but you're not going to find plan9-with-squirrel-wallpaperOS
76 [00:22:44] <JordiGH> replaced-url
77 [00:22:46] <JordiGH> ;_;
78 [00:22:50] <JordiGH> Do I need virtualbox anyway?
79 [00:23:35] <jmcnaught> ,i vagrant-libvirt
80 [00:23:38] <judd> Package vagrant-libvirt (ruby, optional) in buster/amd64: Vagrant plugin that adds an Libvirt provider to Vagrant. Version: 0.0.45-2; Size: 65.8k; Installed: 286k; Homepage: replaced-url
81 [00:23:47] <zerocool> lol
82 [00:23:49] <JordiGH> lol
83 [00:23:56] <zerocool> JordiGH: is today your first day
84 [00:24:03] <JordiGH> Oh, maybe this one. replaced-url
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87 [00:24:28] <JordiGH> zerocool: Every hour is amateur hour.
88 [00:24:43] <zerocool> haha, nice.
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92 [00:28:00] <zerocool> eh, it's a good place to be.
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142 [00:55:29] <JordiGH> Hm, there's no way to talk to a VM if I do `iptables -P INPUT DROP`, is there?
143 [00:55:34] <JordiGH> Inside the VM, of course.
144 [00:55:43] <JordiGH> That's kind of funny.
145 [00:56:22] <sney> some hypervisors have a serial console or vnc built in, in case you break direct network access
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192 [01:58:09] <sigNeon> what kernel comes with testing?
193 [01:58:14] <sigNeon> 5.9?
194 [02:00:20] <quadrathoch2> sigNeon for now yes
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196 [02:01:01] <budlight> i think its 5
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201 [02:02:54] <sigNeon> I'm hoping it has support for a rtl8821ce wireless card
202 [02:03:35] <quadrathoch2> try it. if it doesn't, bullseye will run 5.10, so there is a 'last chance' kernel version after 5.9 :)
203 [02:03:47] <sigNeon> heh
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205 [02:04:00] <sigNeon> yeah was hoping to get it on this laptop
206 [02:05:30] <sponix> sney: you got a few minutes ?
207 [02:05:46] <sney> I'm here, what's up
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210 [02:07:06] <sponix> sney: well, got 2 things going on.. one Plex broke on me, kicks out an error when systemd attempts to start it. And another is I attempted to make a systemd file for rtorrent, and I think that is what is hanging me on boot _forever_
211 [02:07:38] <sponix> getting ready to test boot without the rtorrent systemd thing I made in there, see if the rig comes up with it removed
212 [02:08:00] <sponix> BRB
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214 [02:08:43] <sney> sigNeon: the rtl8821ce driver hasn't been added to mainline linux yet, so debian still won't distribute it until that happens. afaik the driver from github works.
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219 [02:12:23] <sponix> damn
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223 [02:13:17] <sorcerer> sigNeon: that wireless works in bullseye, i have hardware issues with mine and current debian also
224 [02:13:47] <sorcerer> i think mines the same wifi as yours
225 [02:14:02] <sney> sorcerer: are you sure it's that one and not a different rtl88xx model? what module is loaded if you look at 'lspci -k'?
226 [02:14:41] <sorcerer> 8822ce
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228 [02:16:14] <sorcerer> okay so even though bullseye works on that laptop as to where buster didnt, i got a distro on there that uses buster but added the hardware support i needed, i wanna say what it was it but i dont wanna get jumped by everyone lmfao
229 [02:16:15] <sney> ah, they built it into rtw88
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232 [02:16:59] <sney> sigNeon: rtw88_8821ce is included with the 5.9 kernel in bullseye, so your nic should work after all
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234 [02:17:43] <sorcerer> ya mine worked instantly using a bullseye livecd
235 [02:18:04] <sney> 8822ce and 8821ce are still separate modules
236 [02:18:05] <sigNeon> ok
237 [02:18:05] <sorcerer> buster install wouldnt see my wifi, touchpad or graphics
238 [02:18:27] <sney> sponix: as for your service issues, if you want help you know you'll need to pastebin some logs
239 [02:18:33] <sigNeon> is there a bullseye testing livecd?
240 [02:18:50] <sney> bullseye and testing are the same thing. and yes.
241 [02:18:58] <sorcerer> sec ill get you the link from the debian network
242 [02:19:17] <sney> replaced-url
243 [02:19:26] <sorcerer> quick on the trigger
244 [02:19:28] <sorcerer> lol
245 [02:20:11] <sney> it was in my browser history
246 [02:20:23] <sorcerer> but yea i used the live cd for bullseye to see if my hardware all worked first
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249 [02:21:24] <sponix> sney: Yeah, I'm going to just let you focus on helping others. I can't even get the system to boot back up with systemd anymore LOL
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252 [02:22:10] <sney> I think there are some systemd tricks where you can disable a unit from the kernel command line
253 [02:22:14] <sney> haven't tried though
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259 [02:32:19] <sponix> sney: it was weird, it started off with a plex update coming in, and it failed to install properly, something about the process failing to start up cleanly
260 [02:33:07] <sponix> sney: I rolled back to the prior installed version of Plex for a moment, and it was working. But after toggling back and forth a few times attempting to find out the difference of what was breaking -- the older version then refused to start also after a while
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279 [03:07:17] <asterismo> hi, i'm having an isuse when trying to suspend the PC, it suspends, but when resume, i see glitched graphics and the system freezes
280 [03:07:23] <asterismo> how can i troubleshoot this?
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282 [03:08:16] <jmcnaught> Look at logs for when it happened. /var/log/syslog, journalctl, Xorg.0.log, ~/.xsession-errors
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291 [03:19:25] <pfred1> why suspend?
292 [03:19:56] <pfred1> Linux idles well enough
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298 [03:27:04] <asterismo> pfred1, this is an old PC
299 [03:27:17] <asterismo> this is the last log before suspend and hang
300 [03:27:19] <asterismo> replaced-url
301 [03:27:25] <asterismo> jmcnaught,
302 [03:28:11] <asterismo> next line is kernel 0.00000 of the system booting
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304 [03:28:27] <pfred1> asterismo I've run Linux on some pretty old PCs back when they were new even
305 [03:28:55] <sney> is it an "old pc" because it's a core i3 from 2010, or because it's actually pre-modern hardware? this is also relevant to troubleshooting suspend
306 [03:29:21] <asterismo> it is a Dell Precision 530MT, year 2001
307 [03:29:28] <pfred1> my file server is an i3 from 2009
308 [03:29:34] <asterismo> 2GB of RDRAM, Dual Xeon PIV
309 [03:29:54] <sney> asterismo: alright, that is genuinely old. do you know if suspend is using acpi or apm?
310 [03:29:58] <asterismo> it is a great PC, it handles Debian 10 very well, although 32-bit only
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312 [03:30:20] <jmcnaught> asterismo: your paste does not work for me, can you use replaced-url
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314 [03:30:31] <asterismo> It used to suspend fine and resume in Debian 7, that it was the debian version before buster
315 [03:30:32] <sney> jmcnaught: there isn't anything in it anyway
316 [03:30:42] <jmcnaught> ok never mind
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319 [03:31:21] <asterismo> jmcnaught, replaced-url
320 [03:31:36] <asterismo> now?
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323 [03:34:24] <asterismo> i understand that suspend/hibernate is handeled now by systemd, not pm-utils
324 [03:34:41] <asterismo> the system chipset is Intel 82860
325 [03:35:35] <asterismo> sney, suspend is more quiet, fans stop, disk stop, power goes down... idle is not enough
326 [03:36:02] <sney> I'm not the one arguing against it.
327 [03:36:04] <asterismo> this CPU has no frequency stepping... no
328 [03:36:09] <jmcnaught> Does hibernate work?
329 [03:36:23] <asterismo> yeah, idling is what i do in newer PCs
330 [03:36:49] <asterismo> jmcnaught, no, both suspend and hibernate not working
331 [03:37:22] <asterismo> there is no fancy video, generic nvidia video
332 [03:37:33] <asterismo> nvidia rage tnt2 with 32MB of ram
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334 [03:37:50] <asterismo> whatch out
335 [03:38:01] <asterismo> almost VR ready
336 [03:38:04] <asterismo> lol
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338 [03:38:43] <asterismo> maybe a grub line? blacklist some module?
339 [03:39:10] <asterismo> i could change the video card, i have a couple and see if it is video
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341 [03:40:17] <asterismo> when trying to resume, it reaches to display desktop (wallpaper and taskbar LXDE) and there are points, like some render issue, in vertical bars
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343 [03:40:23] <sney> 10 minutes ago, I asked if you know if it uses acpi or apm to suspend. because in the old days, apm was known to sometimes lock up the system on resume.
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345 [03:40:24] <asterismo> i could take a picture
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347 [03:40:48] <asterismo> sney, how do i check that? i missed the question sorry
348 [03:41:13] <asterismo> in BIOS?
349 [03:41:34] <sney> it'll be in dmesg, and there may be something at /proc/apm
350 [03:41:43] <sney> and bios, probably. though who knows what dell keeps private.
351 [03:42:21] <asterismo> dmesg | grep apm shows nothing
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353 [03:42:32] <asterismo> dmesg | grep acpi shows some stuff
354 [03:42:44] <sney> alright, acpi then.
355 [03:42:53] <asterismo> replaced-url
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358 [03:45:58] <sney> asterismo: when the system is 'frozen' can you ping it from another machine? can you ssh in?
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361 [03:47:23] <asterismo> i'll try next time
362 [03:47:43] <asterismo> but i tried ctrl-alt-f1 and not responded
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366 [03:51:37] <sponix> sney: are they on a Nvidia 900 series GPU with Nvidia 455.45.1 ? :)
367 [03:52:11] <sney> about 18 years older than that, I think
368 [03:52:22] <sponix> oh
369 [03:52:44] <sney> some p4 xeon with a tnt2. and rambus!
370 [03:52:54] <sponix> Ouch
371 [03:53:13] <sponix> and here I was setting here thinking my hardware was Legacy lol
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375 [03:55:26] <sney> I've never had anything last that long. but if I did, I'd still be using it
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380 [03:58:48] <sponix> sney: Yeah.. That is the way I am with this X99 Rig. I put like 2.5K into it to start with, so just feel obligated to run it until the wheels fall off
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382 [03:59:37] <asterismo> this workstation is a beauty
383 [03:59:48] <asterismo> ECC Rambus
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385 [04:00:08] <asterismo> think about 2GB in 2001, my god
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387 [04:01:31] <sney> I remember
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390 [04:02:07] <sponix> when I was at college in 2001, my computer had 80 MB or Ram -- and I thought I was on top of the world with that :)
391 [04:02:21] <sney> my newest machine was made in 2014. maybe I should catch up slightly. eh, I'm moving in a few months, I'll do it after
392 [04:02:27] <sponix> two P2 chips that Slotted in
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399 [04:09:12] <sponix> sney: so no virtual machines for you ?
400 [04:09:44] <sney> 2012 hardware can virtualize no problem
401 [04:10:15] <sponix> Oh 2014, I read 2004 for some reason
402 [04:10:38] <sponix> Hell my Rig is like 2015 or so
403 [04:10:52] * sponix goes to check pcpartpicker
404 [04:11:36] <asterismo> i run windows 2k in my old PC to play civilization and heroes iii
405 [04:12:13] * asterismo lol
406 [04:14:10] <sponix> The only game that ever drew me in was Street Fighter 2
407 [04:14:29] <sponix> I try to play Street Fighter 5 now. But I just can't keep up
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412 [04:25:56] <pfred1> that's the thing about PCs they just keep getting older
413 [04:26:17] <pfred1> in a few years they're old
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415 [04:26:46] <pfred1> I ain't upgrading for another 5 years though!
416 [04:29:37] <asterismo> yeah, but this one is an instant-hardware-conversation
417 [04:29:52] <asterismo> almost 20years old
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457 [05:33:46] <jak2000> how to copy files from directory1 to directory2 but only files that not exist on destination
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460 [05:36:02] <acheam> cp -n?
461 [05:36:03] <palimaar> Something like `test -f $destination || cp $source $destination` ..?
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467 [05:48:25] <jak2000> thx
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527 [07:17:13] <alex11> can you delete all the subdirectories of /usr/local and then install something and have it populate those directories again? i want to do some cleanup
528 [07:18:32] <sponix2ipfw> alex11: that is possible
529 [07:24:07] <alex11> well i shouldn't delete the top level directories
530 [07:24:19] <alex11> i'll just delete the subdirectories, idk
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534 [07:32:09] <sponix2ipfw> ,v Nvidia-kernel-dkms
535 [07:32:11] <judd> No package named 'Nvidia-kernel-dkms' was found in amd64.
536 [07:33:06] <sponix2ipfw> ,v nvidia-driver
537 [07:33:08] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-1; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1
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548 [07:50:45] <alex11> ok nvm got it figured out
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723 [11:18:42] <rob_jones> is there a way to track why my vsftpd isnt connecting?
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725 [11:19:43] <nevivurn> rob_jones: what do you see?
726 [11:20:46] <rob_jones> Error: Connection timed out after 20 seconds of inactivity
727 [11:21:05] <nevivurn> From the client?
728 [11:21:08] <rob_jones> yes
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730 [11:22:07] <nevivurn> Have you checked for network issues / whether the machine is actually up / whether the ftp server is actually up?
731 [11:23:05] <rob_jones> its my server and it is all setup
732 [11:23:10] <rob_jones> i can ssh in on my main acc
733 [11:23:40] <nevivurn> hm, on the remote server, can you do something like `ss -tln | grep 21` ?
734 [11:24:02] <nevivurn> Replace "ss" with "netstat" if you don't have "ss".
735 [11:25:06] <rob_jones> ss returned nothing
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738 [11:25:26] <nevivurn> Huh, are you sure your FTP server is up?
739 [11:25:33] <rob_jones> oh minor point
740 [11:25:35] <rob_jones> im using sftp
741 [11:25:38] <rob_jones> port 22
742 [11:25:59] <nevivurn> Ah, FTP and SFTP are completely different protocols.
743 [11:26:02] <rob_jones> LISTEN 0 128 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:*
744 [11:26:18] <rob_jones> and im connecting on filezilla to port 22
745 [11:27:38] <nevivurn> I'm pretty sure filezilla has sftp support, can you share your connection config (make sure to hide credentials and such)
746 [11:27:55] <nevivurn> And if you're able to connect to the server over ssh, it's most likely not a network issue.
747 [11:28:31] <rob_jones> is there a setting in sshd_config to only allow keyfile logins?
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749 [11:28:58] <rob_jones> thats the only difference i can think of between the accounts, one is password the other is keyfile
750 [11:30:15] <nevivurn> yes, you can only allow public key authentication on the sshd.
751 [11:30:38] <nevivurn> But I just read your first message about the error message, it says that it disconnected after inactivity, not a timeout.
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753 [11:31:35] <nevivurn> Maybe that means that it connected fine, it just disconnected after 20 seconds of you not telling it to do anything?
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755 [11:32:05] <rob_jones> it doesnt connect at all
756 [11:32:10] <rob_jones> but my rob account does
757 [11:32:14] <rob_jones> with keyfile
758 [11:32:22] <themill> are you sure that you're telling filezilla to use sftp?
759 [11:32:29] <rob_jones> yes
760 [11:32:32] <rob_jones> sftp://
761 [11:32:44] <themill> ok; I ask because I've played this game before
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764 [11:38:00] <rob_jones> i think i found the issue
765 [11:38:33] <rob_jones> ChrootDirectory %h
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770 [11:47:11] <rob_jones> this is difficult
771 [11:47:16] <rob_jones> any sftp logs i can use?
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850 [13:20:28] <rgr> I'm in a mess with (surprise) pulseaudio. Just where should a clean debian stable be starting it? form /etc/systemd/user/default.targets?
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854 [13:24:14] <rgr> and mpre to the point should it be starting for something like i3? etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants has a symliink to pulseaudio.socket but running any pulse app like pavucontrol fails.
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863 [13:31:14] <jmd> I'm trying to set up a VPN client. "ipsec up <name>" seems to work fine. But I don't see any virtual interface. Does anyone know how to do this?
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976 [15:29:51] <asterismo> hi jmcgnh sney
977 [15:30:31] <asterismo> i finaly tested and after resume/hang, i cannet ping the PC from lan
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979 [15:31:18] <asterismo> i also changed the suspend from S3 to S1 and it does not even get to suspend. All previous tests, was set on S3 suspend mode
980 [15:31:48] <asterismo> maybe some hardware, pci card or usb plugged in that is preventing to suspend?
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995 [15:48:39] <spaceone> where do i see which debian buster version i have? in /etc/issue and lsb_release -a it's not listed
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1006 [15:57:50] <jelly> spaceone: /etc/debian_version
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1011 [16:00:29] <jelly> ,v base-files
1012 [16:00:30] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- jessie: 8+deb8u11; stretch: 9.9+deb9u13; buster: 10.3+deb10u6; buster-proposed-updates: 10.3+deb10u7; bullseye: 11; sid: 11
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1049 [16:39:28] <jhutchins> asterismo: Implementation of syspend/hibernate has very loose standards and will sometimees only work with software provided by the manufacturer.
1050 [16:40:22] <smashgrab> I'm trying to install debian stable on a dell xps 8940 with intel graphics. Seems to install ok and boot okay but display manager does not start. Just a single cursor on a black screen. I've tried a few suggestions I found online to no avail. Any idea what problem could be or how to troubleshoot?
1051 [16:40:57] <asterismo> it worked fine in Debian 7
1052 [16:41:41] <jhutchins> smashgrab: Boot to console/multi-user mode and look at the logs.
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1054 [16:43:00] <smashgrab> ok, I'll see if I can get some more specific information.
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1076 [17:01:49] <smashgrab> The most relevant message I got from the logs seems to be "gnome-shell: failed to create backend could not find a primary drm kms device" Will keep trying, any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
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1080 [17:07:06] <jhutchins> smashgrab: That sounds like the KMS kernel module isn't loading, probably because it doesn't recognize your chipset.
1081 [17:08:25] <smashgrab> jhutchins: Thanks. I found some info that I might need to install a kernel from backports. Going to see if that is still relevant and give that a try.
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1131 [18:08:14] <dka> I have an issue with a running docker container, for some reason, and without a restart, my WWAN device switch from `/dev/ttyUSB0` to `/dev/ttyUSB1`, this cause my mounted device to point to an existing location. How can I avoid this to happen? I am running on Debian buster.
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1134 [18:09:30] <petn-randall> dka: You can probably avoid that by using udev rules, but I don't quite understand how the name change affected your docker container.
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1136 [18:11:03] <dka> I mount the device, so if the device mounted is not existing, my container can't communicate with it
1137 [18:11:19] <dka> I use --device /dev/ttyUSB0:/dev/mobile, it can only work if /dev/ttyUSB0 exist on my system
1138 [18:11:42] <dka> can you help me get setup with udev rule ? It's the second time I am trying to understand how to configure that
1139 [18:11:51] <dka> I have not phisically access to the host, only through ssh
1140 [18:13:18] <jhutchins> dka: Is the content on the device consistent? You could mount by UUID instead of by device.
1141 [18:13:47] <dka> jhutchins, what do you mean consistent ?
1142 [18:14:29] <dka> it's this device: replaced-url
1143 [18:14:50] <dka> It has a microSD and a Sim card, to use the sim card, I need to run a command to switch to modem at every reboot
1144 [18:14:52] <genr8_> it probably resets itself
1145 [18:14:58] <dka> Does it makes it inconsistent
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1147 [18:15:22] <dka> yes maybe genr8_ , it's stay in modem mode but the UUID change and that's killing my sms service
1148 [18:15:42] <genr8_> the UUID changing indicates its detected as a new device
1149 [18:16:29] <genr8_> it probably resets, comes back before the old one is timed out, the computer now sees 2, and makes a 2nd entry
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1153 [18:19:01] <sponix2ipfw> ,v nvidia-driver
1154 [18:19:03] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.152.00-1; buster-backports/non-free: 450.80.02-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 450.80.02-1; sid/non-free: 450.80.02-1; experimental/non-free: 455.45.01-1
1155 [18:19:57] <dka> genr8_, ok, can anyone here help me fix it please?
1156 [18:20:26] <dka> I don't mind if it use /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1, I just need it to stay the same and never change
1157 [18:20:44] <dka> Perhaps it's not possible after a reset?
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1160 [18:21:16] <genr8_> i dont know, sorry
1161 [18:22:36] <quadrathoch2> first we should figure out if the UUID is always random or it just has 2 or sth
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1165 [18:24:36] <sponix2ipfw> dka: udev rule is likely required for that
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1169 [18:27:31] <jhutchins> dka: Are you essentially using a USB modem as an sd card reader?
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1172 [18:28:23] <dka> I am using only the USB modems and I am not using the sd CARD reader at all
1173 [18:28:44] <dka> the SD card reader is the default, I am switching after reboot to USB modem using usb_modswitch
1174 [18:28:46] <jhutchins> Containers can be good development tools, but the answer to most container problems is "don't use a container for that".
1175 [18:29:04] <dka> jhutchins, container or not, gammu needs to know about the proper device
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1177 [18:29:42] <brm_> Hi, hope i'm can ask in here - currently using debian buster 10.6 kde with install backport package wireguard-tools to connect to wireguard vpn, but not working - i use wg-quick /path/laptop.conf (the output works fine) , any input regarding this ?
1178 [18:29:50] <dka> This is not related to the container nor the program, it's related to the USB device switching /dev/tty during it's lifetime
1179 [18:30:07] <sponix2ipfw> dka: replaced-url
1180 [18:30:22] <dka> thanks, I am reading it, coming back if I get lost
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1183 [18:30:30] <sponix2ipfw> dka: my Google search: udev specific usb modem
1184 [18:30:41] <sponix2ipfw> alright, hope that helps
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1187 [18:34:17] <dka> replaced-url
1188 [18:34:31] <dka> How can I identify my variable and test it ?
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1195 [18:36:03] <dka> this file does not exist, I create it /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules ? someone use 99-usb-serial.rules instead of it
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1199 [18:37:32] <dka> I have two idProduct and iVendor, I am using the Qualcomm
1200 [18:37:40] <dka> This is what I have: SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="05c6", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6000", SYMLINK+="your_device_name"
1201 [18:37:47] <dka> How do I defin the /dev/tty to use ?
1202 [18:37:55] <dka> can my SYMLINK+= use any name >?
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1204 [18:40:39] <dka> replaced-url
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1206 [18:41:21] <dka> So I added a device name, smsdevice, and reallized it was not a so good name so i changed it, rerun sudo udevadm trigger , now I have two udev rule for a same device, and they point to a different ttyUSB ... => replaced-url
1207 [18:41:26] <dka> So I added a device name, smsdevice, and reallized it was not a so good name so i changed it, rerun sudo udevadm trigger , now I have two udev rule for a same device, and they point to a different ttyUSB ... => replaced-url
1208 [18:41:29] <dka> Sorry
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1252 [19:19:39] <NetTerminalGene> suse stable gets security updates faster than debian buster?
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1258 [19:22:15] <alex11> i don't know about suse
1259 [19:22:22] <alex11> but buster gets security fixes pretty quickly
1260 [19:22:30] <alex11> well, debian stable
1261 [19:22:36] <alex11> whatever is stable at the time
1262 [19:23:04] <alex11> so does sid (but not by the security team; it tends to happen on new releases); testing is the one with a delay
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1268 [19:27:01] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Yes, no, maybe? What kind of answer are you looking for?
1269 [19:27:49] <NetTerminalGene> yes or no
1270 [19:28:30] <gnat_x> i'm going with the trusty "it depends"
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1276 [19:32:45] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Probably not comparable, as both projects have vastly different amount of packages. So it depends on what other parameters you define.
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1278 [19:33:25] <petn-randall> Number of CVEs fixed, percentage of open CVEs fixed, do you want to weight more critical CVEs higher, etc etc.
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1280 [19:34:32] <petn-randall> Finding a conclusive answer to that question is probably worth a research paper in itself.
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1282 [19:35:21] <petn-randall> So as a true Asimov fan I'll go with "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER".
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1324 [20:12:29] <unixbsd> A little question about UEFI and Future of Debian, how to install it when BIOS gives no chances any longer to install it, i.e. no legacy just UEFI and secured boot? replaced-url
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1327 [20:13:51] <manu1511> what do i've to do if my pc doesn't find the bootable usb drive?
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1329 [20:14:11] <manu1511> trying to boot from usb to install 32 bit debian 10 xfce
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1332 [20:15:32] <unixbsd> you can try this hybrid -iso, it is highly robust to boot: "replaced-url
1333 [20:15:34] <jmcnaught> unixbsd: Debian has supported UEFI for a while, and Debian 10 supports SecureBoot.
1334 [20:16:02] <unixbsd> it seems that intel and MS work together to leave not chance any longer in future... we know the plans.
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1337 [20:17:27] <sney> manu1511: how did you write the image to the usb? some tools are incompatible, for instance rufus is known to corrupt the image
1338 [20:17:56] <manu1511> sney: i've used `dd`
1339 [20:17:58] <unixbsd> cat "image-what-linux-hybrid.iso" > /dev/sda <-- adapt accordingly.
1340 [20:18:08] <manu1511> cat also works? O_o
1341 [20:18:11] <sney> manu1511: did you sync afterwards?
1342 [20:18:21] <sney> yes, and cp too, they are pretty equivalent
1343 [20:18:38] <manu1511> this was the command: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M status=progress oflag=sync
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1346 [20:19:22] <manu1511> it is a very old pc with pentium 4 cpu and 512mb ram
1347 [20:19:29] <manu1511> gericom frontman perf4mance
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1349 [20:19:50] <sney> do you know for sure that it supports usb booting? that's on the early side
1350 [20:20:09] <unixbsd> cat is universal, it works better on bsd for sure. likely offer closer copy. dd is more tweaking
1351 [20:20:19] <manu1511> sney: i think so, at least it appears in the bios settings to be able to choose to boot from usb
1352 [20:20:49] <manu1511> don't know if i can get a debian cd near me
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1354 [20:21:14] <sney> alright, well try writing the usb again, and run a separate 'sync' after the dd is finished, before you unplug it. and maybe try a different usb stick, to be sure.
1355 [20:21:23] <sney> but early usb 1.1 booting on a p4 system might just be buggy, too
1356 [20:21:38] <manu1511> it is usb2 afaik
1357 [20:21:46] <manu1511> thanks i try...
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1359 [20:22:07] <sney> if you can connect the hard drive to a different pc, you could debootstrap the install and then swap it back over
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1362 [20:22:16] <jmcnaught> Does the system still have a CD-ROM drive? Can you burn a CD?
1363 [20:22:42] <unixbsd> For instance : wget -c replaced-url
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1365 [20:23:42] <H-var> what's cd-rom?
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1367 [20:24:19] <manu1511> jmcnaught: it has, but i can't burn
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1369 [20:24:45] <manu1511> i'm going to try mint stick
1370 [20:25:00] <unixbsd> the problem of the grub2 of debian is that it is not always necessarily booting well on all machines. grub2 is fine and cool. try slack to study your bios boot.
1371 [20:25:23] <manu1511> never used slack, am scared ;/
1372 [20:25:36] <unixbsd> you can ;)
1373 [20:26:20] <manu1511> i know how to run archlinux but slack sounds like a dinosaur :D
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1375 [20:28:01] <unixbsd> slackware is indeed a fast, slack dinosaur ;)
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1379 [20:29:11] <mason> Slackware is fine. It was my first native-root-ZFS system and it was fairly easy to implement that.
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1381 [20:29:55] <sney> the installer bootloader is syslinux, not grub. so any weird grub problems are not relevant when booting the installer.
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1383 [20:30:33] <manu1511> sney: i've also tried archlilnux 32 bit, which uses syslinux too i think
1384 [20:30:56] <sney> most installers use syslinux, it's pretty standard for that
1385 [20:31:02] <unixbsd> syslinux + grub2 rocks, slackware would boot a toaster
1386 [20:31:15] <unixbsd> lilo is too possible workaround
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1389 [20:31:48] <CrystalMath> i use LILO
1390 [20:31:54] <CrystalMath> on all machines now
1391 [20:31:56] <CrystalMath> :)
1392 [20:31:59] <sney> I used slackware and lilo, too. in 2004. :P
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1394 [20:32:05] <CrystalMath> it's better than grub
1395 [20:32:12] <manu1511> what is lilo?
1396 [20:32:18] <CrystalMath> a bootloader
1397 [20:32:20] <abff> last in last out
1398 [20:32:22] <CrystalMath> also, the name of the founder of freenode
1399 [20:32:23] <manu1511> lol
1400 [20:32:24] <sney> legacy bootloader, linux loader
1401 [20:32:37] <unixbsd> I use the netbsd grub2, for a reliable boot on my AMD tower. Netbsd is very cool to boot the crappy hw.
1402 [20:32:37] <CrystalMath> i don't see why it's legacy
1403 [20:32:41] <CrystalMath> it's still maintained
1404 [20:32:42] <manu1511> maybe i just try an older debian version then...
1405 [20:32:52] <CrystalMath> the machine i'm on now
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1407 [20:32:58] <CrystalMath> is debian with lilo
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1409 [20:33:26] <sney> manu1511: did you try writing the iso again? it's unlikely that you'll need to go this far into the weeds, with hardware that can boot from usb
1410 [20:33:28] <CrystalMath> i kicked GRUB out, i'm tired of its regressions that make non-EFI worse
1411 [20:33:36] <sney> and besides, syslinux with debian 9 is going to be the same anyway
1412 [20:33:53] <unixbsd> try netbsd grub it is really working great
1413 [20:34:14] <CrystalMath> meh, i prefer the LInux LOader
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1415 [20:34:31] <CrystalMath> i don't miss GRUB2
1416 [20:34:36] <CrystalMath> occasionally i miss GRUB1
1417 [20:34:42] <CrystalMath> and sometimes i miss IO.SYS
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1419 [20:34:52] <unixbsd> ah ah DSL had 0,94 grub ;)
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1423 [20:36:08] <CrystalMath> LILO > GRUB 1 > IO.SYS > Chris Giese's MBOOT > John Fine's BOOTF > anything i hack up in 3 minutes > ... > GRUB 2
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1427 [20:36:59] <CrystalMath> oh wait a minute... i thought we were on #slackware
1428 [20:37:07] <abff> smh
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1430 [20:37:50] <unixbsd> Have fun ;) ! goottta eat.
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1432 [20:39:26] <Fromhell> hallo
1433 [20:39:28] <Fromhell> need help
1434 [20:39:29] <Fromhell> replaced-url
1435 [20:39:32] <manu1511> hello :)
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1437 [20:40:26] <ratrace> Fromhell: what with?
1438 [20:40:49] <Fromhell> ratrace , problem whith cockpit
1439 [20:40:53] <Fromhell> replaced-url
1440 [20:41:07] <sney> if that paste is supposed to be self-explanatory, it looks like the service is generating a self-signed cert and then refusing to use it
1441 [20:41:31] <sney> ,i cockpit-ws
1442 [20:41:33] <judd> Package cockpit-ws (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Cockpit Web Service. Version: 188-1; Size: 759.0k; Installed: 1785k; Homepage: replaced-url
1443 [20:41:54] <Fromhell> what i must do
1444 [20:42:16] <sney> probably start by reading the cockpit manual's section on setting up your tls certificates
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1452 [20:46:43] <unixbsd> uefi will imply ti use gpt rather than mbr.
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1456 [20:48:35] <manu1511> sney: no success ;/
1457 [20:48:38] <manu1511> what about PXE boot?
1458 [20:48:57] <manu1511> i could setup a pxe server on archlinux here and just connect the old pc via ethernet?
1459 [20:49:00] <sney> there are debian images for pxe, sure
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1462 [20:49:10] <sney> I think there's a section in the install guide
1463 [20:49:11] <sney> !ig
1464 [20:49:11] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
1465 [20:49:19] <manu1511> i need special images for pxe?
1466 [20:49:49] <sney> yeah, pxe boot is in stages, so there's a couple of files
1467 [20:51:38] <sney> there: replaced-url
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1470 [20:55:25] <manu1511> i'm going to use pixiecore...
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1495 [21:29:08] <mutante> What would be the difference between: #!/bin/dash and #/bin/dash Is the latter just a typo someone made?
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1497 [21:29:58] <mutante> because the interesting thing is it works to run that manually but when i try to make systemd execute it then that is a "Exec format error"
1498 [21:30:45] <petn-randall> mutante: Latter is a typo.
1499 [21:30:48] <petn-randall> !shebang
1500 [21:30:48] <dpkg> somebody said shebang was the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
1501 [21:30:49] <dnull> mutante: Yes, it's a typo
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1503 [21:31:12] <mutante> thanks for confirming that, wanted to make sure i am not missing out on anything. because that has been there for years in production then :)
1504 [21:31:24] <mutante> just pops up when we convert cron jobs to systemd timers and it fails :p
1505 [21:31:30] <sney> impressive
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1507 [21:31:49] <mutante> also.. yea. it's dash and not bash but that seems sane
1508 [21:32:17] <sney> !dash
1509 [21:32:18] <dpkg> dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). dash is the default /bin/sh since the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release. To check if your existing scripts will work with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see replaced-url
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1511 [21:32:49] <wisbit> hey guys, any idea why my screen, even through remote desktop, shows large black triangles moving as I move the windows
1512 [21:32:58] <mutante> this is in the script to pull from an Ubuntu mirror, maybe even Canonical wrote it
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1514 [21:33:07] <Franciman> Hi, my heart hurts a lot today
1515 [21:33:12] <wisbit> it's like the screen is broken somehow, but it's not since remotely it's the same
1516 [21:33:25] <Franciman> dat damn ubuntu makes my wifi work properly, while I can't make it work properly on debian
1517 [21:33:26] <Franciman> :<
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1520 [21:33:47] <sney> wisbit: over remote desktop, I would suspect compression artifacts
1521 [21:33:48] <wisbit> and after a day or two, those shapes jsut cover everything and the screen is totally black
1522 [21:33:53] <akp55> Franciman: is probably a binary blob issue
1523 [21:34:06] <akp55> and you need to install the non-free firmware package
1524 [21:34:08] <Franciman> akp55, by binary blob you mean firmware?
1525 [21:34:09] <Franciman> I did
1526 [21:34:11] <Franciman> I did
1527 [21:34:11] <sney> Franciman: haven't we been over this repeatedly? if the driver isn't in mainline linux, debian doesn't have it. we can't magically change that in the support channel
1528 [21:34:22] <Franciman> sney, it is in the mainline
1529 [21:34:24] <Franciman> ath10k
1530 [21:34:33] <Franciman> ah you mean the firmware
1531 [21:34:38] <akp55> so whats the issue?
1532 [21:34:38] <Franciman> no sorry, I want to make this clear
1533 [21:34:45] <sney> no sorry, mixed you up with a realtek user
1534 [21:34:52] <Franciman> I meant that I can't find a way to make debian work
1535 [21:34:55] <Franciman> I tried EVERYTHING
1536 [21:35:01] <Franciman> but now on ubuntu it JUST works
1537 [21:35:04] <sney> still, ubuntu probably has some patch to the driver that makes theirs work better
1538 [21:35:04] <Franciman> this can't be happening
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1540 [21:35:14] <Franciman> now I'm gonna copy this shitty ubuntu stuff
1541 [21:35:15] <akp55> whats the error you are getting?
1542 [21:35:36] <Franciman> akp55, the card hangs indefinitely when my father's smartphone is connected to the same wifi
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1544 [21:35:40] <Franciman> it's exactly this problem
1545 [21:35:42] <Franciman> I know it is strange
1546 [21:35:50] <akp55> so then
1547 [21:35:58] <Franciman> i know it does not make sense, but it's the combination of: my father, my pc and my router altogether
1548 [21:36:06] <akp55> i would start with checking the kernel versions first
1549 [21:36:09] <Franciman> it makes my wifi card hang forever
1550 [21:36:21] <Franciman> I did everything, now I just need to compare the sources and see what the heck they did
1551 [21:36:21] <akp55> what version is ubuntu using vs debian
1552 [21:36:25] <wisbit> at first it was just on the screen, it's connected through an old div cable, I thought it was just that, but through remote desktop, same
1553 [21:36:45] <akp55> did you compare the kernel versions with a simple uname
1554 [21:36:45] <wisbit> maybe the remote app (teamviewer just uses the currnt "display" output
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1556 [21:36:53] <akp55> then do a modinfo on both systems
1557 [21:36:56] <Franciman> akp55, I did
1558 [21:37:07] <akp55> and they were running the same kernels?
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1560 [21:37:13] <wisbit> it's really weird
1561 [21:37:15] <Franciman> at least the same version
1562 [21:37:20] <Franciman> but it mustn't be the same code
1563 [21:37:29] <sney> wisbit: can you share a picture of this? does it show in a screenshot, or can you take a photo of the monitor?
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1565 [21:37:45] <akp55> can you share the output of that stuff with us?
1566 [21:37:48] <rander2> hello all
1567 [21:38:03] <Franciman> akp55, the problem is that there is no relevant output
1568 [21:38:08] <akp55> personally , it sounds like you've over complicated the problem
1569 [21:38:12] <wisbit> sney : I'll try
1570 [21:38:14] <Franciman> it's like the card goes to sleep and never triggers interrupt
1571 [21:38:20] <Franciman> why akp55 ?
1572 [21:38:31] <Franciman> the problem is that the wifi card doesn't send interrupts to the driver
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1574 [21:38:34] <Franciman> I don't know why
1575 [21:38:34] <akp55> you think there isn't but there is... please provide the kernel version from both
1576 [21:38:49] <Franciman> ok one moment
1577 [21:38:49] <akp55> did you check modinfo to see if they driver is loaded with different options?
1578 [21:39:01] <Franciman> yes
1579 [21:39:16] <rander2> I installed deb10 on a SD card, but when I boot from it, appear a grub prompt in rescue mode. It's the first time I try install debian on SD
1580 [21:39:45] <Franciman> akp55, I'm using 5.8 backported on debian
1581 [21:40:00] <Franciman> but it didn't work with 4.19
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1583 [21:40:14] <Franciman> and I'm using 5.4 on ubuntu now, but I tried 5.8 too and it works there too
1584 [21:40:18] <Franciman> so it must be some damn patch
1585 [21:40:21] <akp55> okay
1586 [21:40:23] <akp55> so do this
1587 [21:40:26] <akp55> modinfo ath10k
1588 [21:40:37] <sney> ath10k_pci is the module name, I believe
1589 [21:40:38] <Franciman> i did
1590 [21:40:40] <Franciman> and they are the same
1591 [21:40:41] <Franciman> yes
1592 [21:40:49] <Franciman> it has three options:
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1594 [21:40:54] <Franciman> debug_mask, which is irrelevant
1595 [21:41:00] <Franciman> skip_otp, which is true on both
1596 [21:41:18] <Franciman> and irq_mode
1597 [21:41:20] <Franciman> set to auto
1598 [21:41:36] <akp55> okay. in your dmesg what does it say about the ath10k device?
1599 [21:42:09] <akp55> and this seems to be the firmware pacakage - replaced-url
1600 [21:42:16] <Franciman> yes
1601 [21:42:37] <akp55> one thing you can try is to just copy the firmware from the ubuntu install to the debian install
1602 [21:42:47] <Franciman> I tried
1603 [21:42:54] <Franciman> i also tried to use debian's firmware on ubuntu
1604 [21:43:06] <Franciman> akp55, it says nothing relevant
1605 [21:43:12] <Franciman> it's the same in both dmesg's
1606 [21:43:23] <sney> "debian's firmware" is just the files from kernel.org's linux-firmware.git repo, ubuntu's probably is identical as well, since that stuff is all closed-sourc
1607 [21:43:42] <Franciman> I made the worst mistake to buy this dell xps
1608 [21:43:53] <Franciman> may qualcomm be damned forever
1609 [21:44:03] <rander2> to install debian on SD it's the same as install on HD or no ?
1610 [21:44:37] <Franciman> now I'm going to install debian on a virtual machine and compare everything
1611 [21:44:40] <sney> rander2: yes it should be, linux doesn't care what kind of device a /dev/sdX is
1612 [21:44:43] <Franciman> thanks ppl
1613 [21:44:47] <mutante> rander2: yea, once I even installed on "CF card" because i had it in a USB reader and connected and it booted from that device first
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1617 [21:46:08] <rander2> but finished installation appeared grub prompt of the rescue mode
1618 [21:47:00] <sney> !fixmbr
1619 [21:47:00] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1620 [21:47:16] <sney> the devices were probably enumerated funny, try this to reinstall the bootloader
1621 [21:47:22] <rander2> however SD is more more slow than SSD or mechanical hd
1622 [21:47:40] <sney> Franciman: what ubuntu version was the working 5.4 kernel attached to? I'm going to try to find this patch
1623 [21:47:57] <rander2> and some computer see it as /dev/mmc.... depend
1624 [21:48:12] <Franciman> sney, 18.04.5
1625 [21:48:19] <Franciman> err
1626 [21:48:19] <sney> rander2: ...yes, no kidding, sd cards and usb drives are much slower than proper hard disks or ssds
1627 [21:48:22] <Franciman> 18.04.1
1628 [21:48:32] <Franciman> no wait
1629 [21:48:39] <Franciman> replaced-url
1630 [21:48:47] <sney> ok
1631 [21:48:56] <Franciman> sney, is it vodoo? Or can I do it too? I don't want to bother you
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1633 [21:49:22] <rander2> sney, yes I saw this. But they are much portable and cheap
1634 [21:49:36] <Franciman> the strange thing is that I tried arch linux lol, with everything super rolling release, and I had the same issue, so ubuntu must have a secret
1635 [21:49:37] <sney> rander2: you get what you pay for. still, it should be no problem to boot from it.
1636 [21:49:51] <wisbit> sney : replaced-url
1637 [21:50:02] <wisbit> replaced-url
1638 [21:50:05] <sney> Franciman: it's not obviously listed on some public page, it's going to take some digging. but I'm also curious so it's not a bother.
1639 [21:50:07] <wisbit> replaced-url
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1641 [21:50:54] <wisbit> don't mind the red redacting, it's the huge lines and triangles in grey/black
1642 [21:51:07] <rander2> sney, the main problem on SD and similar is the internal controller of the memory, it is simple and cheap
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1644 [21:51:41] <rander2> SSD are similar but have a more evolution controller
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1646 [21:51:58] <sney> wisbit: that really looks like visual artifacts caused by hardware issues, do you have another gpu you can test with?
1647 [21:52:07] <rander2> but the technology is very similar
1648 [21:52:10] <unixbsd> does a ssh work with legacy or uefi (little question)?
1649 [21:52:12] <sney> rander2: regardless of any of that, embedded systems boot from sd all the time, so you can too
1650 [21:52:16] <unixbsd> *ssd
1651 [21:52:31] <sney> unixbsd: both
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1653 [21:52:40] <unixbsd> thanks
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1655 [21:52:58] <unixbsd> it seems that one told me that moving to ssd, does not boot linux debian.
1656 [21:53:04] <wisbit> sney, no unfortunately I don't, I though it might have to do with drivers, of with the dvi output, or something
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1658 [21:53:23] <wisbit> config is, in terms of "visual artifacts" straight from the box
1659 [21:53:26] <rander2> sney, yes but I referred to a normal laptop not a raspberry or embedded system
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1661 [21:53:40] <sney> unixbsd: that person didn't know what they were talking about. I have 3 machines, no uefi, ssd OS disks on all of them
1662 [21:53:45] <wisbit> maybe some "special effects" I can disable
1663 [21:54:05] <sney> unixbsd: maybe some of the super-new nvme stuff only works with uefi, but most ssds are just a regular sata drive as far as the OS is concerned.
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1665 [21:54:36] <sney> wisbit: yes, try disabling kwin's compositor
1666 [21:55:01] <rander2> however I installed deb10 on a 32gbite sd and when I boot from it appear grub rescue prompt, ok I'll try to reinstall debian in minimal mode
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1668 [21:55:24] <wisbit> is there somthing in display and monitor settings, like rendering backen (opengl 3.1, 2.0 or xrender) ... chaging something there
1669 [21:55:49] <wisbit> sney "compositor settings for Desktop Effects" ?
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1671 [21:56:51] <gnat_x> rander2: if you are getting to grub rescue mode, the SD should work...presuming that's your boot device.
1672 [21:57:00] <sney> wisbit: that sounds right
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1674 [21:57:37] <BCMM> unixbsd: what sort of ssd? a SATA ssd works just like a hard drive, as far as the system firmware is concerned
1675 [21:57:53] <wisbit> i changed the rendering backend to "xrender" ... seems to be ok... i also disbaled compositor at startup, I'll see next startup what does that do
1676 [21:57:58] <rander2> gnat_x, I tried on 2 differents laptop and it's the same
1677 [21:58:16] <BCMM> but if you have an nvme drive, you will need a motherboard that supports nvme boot if you want to boot from it
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1680 [21:58:47] <rander2> gnat_x, sometime depend from bios , boot in efi mode or normal. I change it too but it's the same
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1688 [22:02:46] <wisbit> sney : cheers mate, so far so good, no weird shapes in sight for the last several minutes :)
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1692 [22:08:32] <rander2> how clone a debian partiton and make the clone bootable ? I want clone a partition on microSD and boot from it
1693 [22:08:40] <rander2> clone zilla?
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1697 [22:11:54] <rander2> e2image
1698 [22:12:25] <quadrathoch2> rander2 it really depends on how the system boots, is grub2 fine? or is there a special bootloader
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1701 [22:12:57] <rander2> quadrathoch2, now boot from grub
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1703 [22:13:42] <rander2> quadrathoch2, grub2 from deb10 , deb is the unique OS here
1704 [22:14:23] <quadrathoch2> bios/uefi?
1705 [22:16:07] <rander2> quadrathoch2, onestly I don't know exactly , this is a netbook in bios havent uefi opzion
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1707 [22:16:36] <quadrathoch2> so sounds like bios then
1708 [22:16:39] <quadrathoch2> !chroot
1709 [22:16:39] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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1711 [22:17:06] <quadrathoch2> sounds like you would need to do the above rander2
1712 [22:17:45] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot ?
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1714 [22:18:12] <quadrathoch2> yes
1715 [22:18:42] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot depend from bios/uefi ?
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1719 [22:20:19] <rander2> quadrathoch2, the same thing using clonezilla ?
1720 [22:20:55] <rander2> replaced-url
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1722 [22:21:17] <BugHunter1000> Why does debsecan list vulnerabilities for old and patched versions of installed software?
1723 [22:21:18] <rander2> here dont tell to chroot the system from a live linux
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1727 [22:23:21] <quadrathoch2> rander2 idk how those work :/ so can't say too much about them
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1739 [22:45:17] <rander2> booting grub wite: error: no such device : 11ce.....
1740 [22:45:54] <quadrathoch2> what did you type specifically?
1741 [22:46:15] <rander2> in fact 11ce...dont exist , the sdb1 have UUID different, I read it with blkid
1742 [22:46:53] <rander2> I thing grub refer to a wrong UUID. How may I change UUID , must I edit grub.conf ?
1743 [22:47:55] <sney> welp, I found a big patch for ath10k that's included with that ubuntu kernel, and of course Franciman is gone now
1744 [22:48:04] <rander2> quadrathoch2, nothing, I insert SD in this laptop and I read UUID with blkid. I'm using 2 laptop
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1753 [22:53:14] <rander2> hello
1754 [22:53:24] <Franciman> so sney it was too good to be true
1755 [22:53:28] <Franciman> I get crashes here too
1756 [22:54:39] <sney> [14:47:55] <sney> welp, I found a big patch for ath10k that's included with that ubuntu kernel, and of course Franciman is gone now
1757 [22:54:48] <Franciman> lol
1758 [22:54:51] <sney> it's not an explicitly related patch, but it does make a lot of changes to the driver
1759 [22:54:52] <Franciman> what is it?
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1761 [22:55:08] <sney> replaced-url
1762 [22:56:03] <quadrathoch2> rander2 so what did you type that grub gives you that error?
1763 [22:56:35] <Franciman> thanks sney
1764 [22:56:40] <Franciman> hmm
1765 [22:57:07] <rander2> quadrathoch2, I told you grub write error: no such device: 11ce....
1766 [22:57:43] <quadrathoch2> so the computer just gave you that error without you doing anything? rander2
1767 [22:58:06] <rander2> with ls dont list nothing partition. I reinstall grub from another laptop with grub-install /dev/sdbv
1768 [22:58:35] <rander2> quadrathoch2, yes
1769 [22:59:06] <quadrathoch2> rander2 did you chroot?
1770 [22:59:26] <rander2> quadrathoch2, and dont list any partition with ls. Maybe reinstalling grub change UUID or some setting in grub ?
1771 [22:59:43] <rander2> quadrathoch2, No
1772 [23:00:24] <rander2> or I re do it in chroot mode
1773 [23:00:25] <Franciman> sney, where do you see the patches applied to ubuntu's kernel?
1774 [23:00:58] <quadrathoch2> you would need to chroot, so it knows which grub it should update
1775 [23:01:20] <rander2> quadrathoch2, but I dont found any chroot information in replaced-url
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1777 [23:01:31] <sney> Franciman: I had to download the 5.4.0-46.47 source from launchpad and grep it for ath10k changes, then work backwards to find a related bug report or commit message
1778 [23:01:40] <sney> ubuntu doesn't make this easy
1779 [23:02:19] <sney> and their kernel git-web interface mixes upstream kernel commits in with the ubuntu-only or ubuntu-backported stuff so it's not trivial to filter it that way either
1780 [23:02:19] <Franciman> hmm I see
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1782 [23:02:44] <RoyK> sney: how nice…
1783 [23:02:48] <quadrathoch2> rander2 disk cloning is something else as making it bootable rander2
1784 [23:02:54] <Franciman> well thanks
1785 [23:03:00] <Franciman> I'll try more
1786 [23:03:04] <rander2> quadrathoch2, yes excuse me
1787 [23:03:20] <sney> np, those ath10k nics are getting more common so I'm sure you aren't the only one with this problem
1788 [23:03:33] <Franciman> I hope qualcomm fails
1789 [23:03:39] <Franciman> goes bankrupt
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1791 [23:03:48] <Franciman> ath9k was cool
1792 [23:03:57] <Franciman> they made everything suck
1793 [23:04:49] <Franciman> sney, when you say grep for ath10k changes, you mean :P ?
1794 [23:04:50] <Franciman> git grep?
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1796 [23:05:37] <rander2> quadrathoch2, chroot instruction refer to live linux not to a running normal linux
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1798 [23:06:05] <sney> Franciman: I downloaded the linux_5.4.0-42.46.diff.gz file, gunzipped it and did the grep there
1799 [23:06:13] <Franciman> oh
1800 [23:06:14] <Franciman> cool
1801 [23:06:15] <Franciman> thanks
1802 [23:06:42] <quadrathoch2> rander2 it can be the normal running pc
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1808 [23:09:47] <rander2> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
1809 [23:09:52] <rander2> strange
1810 [23:10:34] <freem> Hello. Is there is any DHCP problem known in Debian-10.1.0 iso file?
1811 [23:11:06] <freem> I know it's not the last one, but it's the one I have on disk so...
1812 [23:11:26] <sney> freem: nothing that I've heard about, what issue are you seeing?
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1814 [23:12:40] <freem> the (strange) problem I have is, I have a virtualbox system acting as a router and providing a DHCPd for IPv4 only. It works fine, since the PXE infrastructure I have behind can reach the internet, and installed systems can either, but Debian's official installer complains that it can't setup a route
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1817 [23:13:02] <freem> I'm really surprised, because it's the 1st time I experience that, even if I admit that I don't use the official installer oftern
1818 [23:13:32] <freem> I'm downloading a more recent iso, just in case... but that'll take ages
1819 [23:13:44] <freem> (ok, only ~30min)
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1821 [23:14:49] <sney> hmm, that could be #927413
1822 [23:14:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1823 [23:14:50] <freem> sney: ^ is the problem described enough or do you require more informations? Oh, I could add that the DHCP server uses isc-dhcpd-server, and the systems I boot uses busybox's udhcpc
1824 [23:15:57] <freem> judd: then, how is it that normal systems, which also uses udhcpc can setup the route? The script differs between the udev and the deb?
1825 [23:16:08] <sney> judd is a bot, you're still talking to me
1826 [23:16:12] <freem> oh
1827 [23:16:16] <rander2> !dpkg chroot
1828 [23:16:16] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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1831 [23:16:34] <freem> yeah, read bad line :)
1832 [23:16:41] <rander2> istructions are wrong, ext2 exist in past
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1836 [23:18:11] <sney> rander2: ext3/4 filesystems can be mounted as ext2, with journaling disabled. that may have been the point.
1837 [23:18:38] <rander2> sney, as ext2 don't go, as ext4 yes I'm doing
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1841 [23:19:22] <sney> but in any case, not everyone's root filesystem is ext* and modern mount can autodetect filesystems, so that part doesn't need to be there
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1843 [23:21:06] <sney> heh, the chroot factoid was last updated in 2014.
1844 [23:22:39] <sney> freem: it seems if the dhcp server is misbehaving, or otherwise configured not to provide a default route, that causes the failure. so a baremetal system on a network with, e.g. a consumer router that provides an address and a route, will be fine
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1846 [23:25:43] <freem> the server is a virtual machine I installed, running debian. The dhcp server's conf have a "option router IP1 IP2" line, which is used by both the chroot used for PXE install and the installed systems. There are mentions of those routes nowhere else.
1847 [23:26:06] <freem> sney: so, is there is a way to say "this IP1 is the default route" in isc-dhcp-server.
1848 [23:26:07] <freem> ?
1849 [23:26:43] <freem> I've read the doc several times and can't remember such thing, and only debian installer ever had problems there
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1851 [23:27:07] <sney> I haven't used isc-dhcp-server recently so I'd have to look at the same manual you are.
1852 [23:28:32] <rander2> replaced-url
1853 [23:28:41] <rander2> this is after chroot
1854 [23:29:37] <freem> "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys"
1855 [23:30:16] <freem> strange, I usually just use "for fs in /dev /sys /run ; do mount --bind $i /$target/$i; done"
1856 [23:30:37] <freem> I wonder what are those rslave and rbind options...
1857 [23:30:46] <freem> oh, and /proc in that for loop, too, ofc
1858 [23:31:16] <freem> sney: I'll be fixed soon enough, dl of more recent image is almost done. Maybe behavior will change then
1859 [23:31:28] <sney> we try not to have too many variables and one-liner kludges in the factoids, since they're essentially a learning resource
1860 [23:31:39] <nt0_> what's the best practice for upgrading a package from the repos with a .deb? uninstall and then install the .deb? or is it okay to install the .deb over the older version?
1861 [23:32:04] <sney> nt0_: .deb packages are designed to upgrade each other, so that's the best practice unless the source explicitly told you not to
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1863 [23:33:11] <freem> I used a for loop to make it quicker to write, is all
1864 [23:34:02] <nt0_> sney: upgrading a package that is currently managed by apt by manually installing a .deb--apt will leave it be from that point on?
1865 [23:34:38] <sney> nt0_: nope, if apt knows a newer version of that package it will be upgraded, unless you e.g. 'apt-mark hold' the package
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1868 [23:35:07] <nt0_> sney: okay, perfect. apt will keep track of it but leave it alone unless a newer version is pushed to the repos?
1869 [23:35:12] <sney> nt0_: yes.
1870 [23:35:23] <nt0_> excellent news!
1871 [23:35:26] <nt0_> thank you.
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1873 [23:38:30] <sney> seems the --rbind and --make-rslave stuff is so you can unmount that filesystem if needed, which seems pointless in an ephemeral rescue environment. but probably not harmful either, so I'll leave it
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1876 [23:39:32] <freem> rbind seems to allow binding submounts too, so yeah, is useful: I simply didn't knew it existed. I still don't understand the rslave thingy though
1877 [23:39:36] <freem> how are the udeb files constructed? I'm curious. I suppose there is no repo with them?
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1879 [23:40:06] <freem> nice, the 10.6 image can't even show the ncurses installer
1880 [23:40:26] <freem> graphical one works though
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1883 [23:42:16] <freem> nvm that...
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1889 [23:45:37] <freem> sney: the problem still happens with latest image unfortunately
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1891 [23:45:51] <sney> well the bug is still open, so that's not a surprise
1892 [23:46:34] <H-var> I don't have /etc/mpd.conf file to configure my audio on debian
1893 [23:46:40] <H-var> where is it on debian 10?
1894 [23:46:44] <sney> !install it
1895 [23:46:44] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
1896 [23:47:09] <H-var> mpd is a program?
1897 [23:47:15] <freem> yes
1898 [23:47:28] <H-var> thank you
1899 [23:47:38] <freem> also, it's only a music player
1900 [23:48:05] <freem> you don't require it to have audio, you can use other players. I would even recommend it if you're new to debian.
1901 [23:48:21] <freem> (or to linux generally)
1902 [23:48:44] <H-var> I just wanna my DAC to output files properly because it's stuck at 44KHz
1903 [23:48:49] <H-var> and the flac file is 192
1904 [23:49:17] <freem> thus installing mpd will very likely not change anything.
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1906 [23:49:48] <H-var> yup
1907 [23:49:51] <H-var> sigh
1908 [23:49:54] <freem> maybe you should try to explain more what you try to achieve?
1909 [23:50:25] <freem> does audio works at all for a start? Or is it just taht specific hardware which have problems?
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1911 [23:50:46] <H-var> I just plugged it into my USB port, and linux uses the device, no issues, the only problem is that it doesn't reproduce the audio at the necessary rates
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1913 [23:51:15] <jmcnaught> H-var: what program are you using to play the file?
1914 [23:51:19] <sney> iirc jackd is typically preferred on linux systems that are doing audio editing etc, and a quick google tells me that jackctl has options to set the sample rate
1915 [23:51:29] <H-var> I was thinking it maybe needs a third party sound processing, like ASIO on windows
1916 [23:51:56] <H-var> jmcnaught I just use clementine right now
1917 [23:52:08] <freem> yeah, looks like advanced audio stuff to me. Here I think sney is right, people use jackd for that, but I don't know much more
1918 [23:52:14] <H-var> is there something like ASIO for linux?
1919 [23:52:25] <freem> define ASIO?
1920 [23:52:27] <jmcnaught> H-var: if clementine is outputting to PulseAudio then you would need to configure PulseAudio for higher sample rate.
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1922 [23:52:45] <freem> replaced-url
1923 [23:52:56] <H-var> ASIO4ALL is a hardware independent low latency ASIO driver for WDM audio devices. It uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives.
1924 [23:53:03] <jmcnaught> H-var: There is this page about it on the PulseAudio wiki, but it has not been updated since 2013 and the author apparently did not know how to format: replaced-url
1925 [23:53:48] <H-var> I can switch to "default ALSA sound card" in clementine, but I don't know how to configure ALSA
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1927 [23:54:19] <H-var> replaced-url
1928 [23:54:28] <jmcnaught> H-var: otherwise using jackd was suggested above, can clementine output to jack?
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1931 [23:55:55] <freem> probably not, I don't see libjackd in the dependencies
1932 [23:57:31] <freem> mpd can, for sure. Dunno other players much, long time I ditched them in favor of mpd
1933 [23:57:52] <freem> but I don't know how to setup mpd for jack, never used it.
1934 [23:58:34] <freem> one would need a client to use mpd though, and IIRC ario was a graphical one
1935 [23:58:47] <sney> for testing output at specific sample rates, with jack, I would recommend audacity. then once you get it working you can figure out something with a more friendly ui
1936 [23:59:01] <jmcnaught> xmms2-plugin-jack maybe
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1938 [23:59:10] <sney> jack may even have a command line player too
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