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• 46[00:38:14] <JerryS> Hi, all. I have a Lenovo E15 I'm trying to get Debian to work on. So far I've gotten the wirelss adapter going by loading from backports.
• 47[00:40:23] <JerryS> Debian was installed on the SATA drive. During install it recognized the second SSD drive but after installation it doesn't recognize it.
• 48[00:40:45] <JerryS> Does anyone have any ideas on this?
• 49[00:40:46] <sney> doesn't recognize? or isn't mounted?
• 50[00:41:37] <JerryS> sney Doesn't recognize it.
• 51[00:41:55] <sney> how have you determined this? what are you trying to do, etc
• 52[00:42:33] <JerryS> Not listed in lshw or /dev.
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• 56[00:45:56] <sney> if it's not in /dev and you can't see it with lsblk, fdisk -l, etc, then it's not detected by the kernel. for a disk, the most likely reason is a bad connection, as even a defective disk will usually still get a /dev node.
• 57[00:46:39] <sney> check dmesg output for disk failures, then shut down the computer and re-seat your sata and power connector on that second disk.
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• 61[00:48:36] <JerryS> fdksi -l also didn't show it. This isn't a SATA drive.
• 62[00:49:10] <sney> reseat the connector(s) in general. I said it that way so you wouldn't forget power.
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• 65[00:49:46] <JerryS> sney it's on an M2 port. Windows sees it fine.
• 66[00:50:56] <sney> and dmesg output?
• 67[00:51:33] <JerryS> sney I just got the dinner call. Let me go to dinner and try reseating it anyway. I'll be back later if you're still on. Turkey's calling! :)
• 68[00:51:41] <sney> ok
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• 180[02:42:02] <ham1986> Im trying to add space to (usr ran out of disk space). I successfully added 50G of space into /dev/sda3, however usr is still the same size, how can i enlarge it?
• 181[02:42:21] <ham1986> this is a virtual machine that i increased disk size into.
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• 183[02:44:23] <t3st3r> guess you need to edit partition to make it larger (assuming free space follows) and then resize filesystem to use that
• 184[02:44:42] <dvs> gparted?
• 185[02:45:19] <ham1986> i cant start gparted , ive no access to display.
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• 188[02:45:42] <ham1986> (gpartedbin:1493): Gtk-WARNING **: 01:45:11.538: cannot open display:
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• 190[02:47:38] <dvs> You can't run gparted on active partitions anyways. You'll have to get a live CD and run gparted off of that.
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• 192[02:48:55] <ham1986> gparted is unfortunately not an option, ive no access to the display, bios, ability to change boot type, ect. I'm passing GPU to this VM and screen needs to be disabled to do so.
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• 194[02:50:38] <dvs> well, you can't resize partitions on an active system anyways.
• 195[02:52:20] <t3st3r> well, use fdisk/gdisk or whatever you like, but it not 100% safe
• 196[02:52:20] <mi11k1> dvs, i thought you could, kinda
• 197[02:52:34] <mi11k1> takes effect on reboot
• 198[02:52:44] <t3st3r> dvs> well, you can't resize partitions on an active system anyways. <- I think you can, though you need to force part table re-read afterwards.
• 199[02:52:53] <mi11k1> gotcha
• 200[02:53:19] <dvs> sounds risky
• 201[02:53:20] <mi11k1> its common with rpis and stuff
• 202[02:53:38] <t3st3r> there're ways to force kernel's partitions reskan without reboot. But yes, it have to be done carefully.
• 203[02:53:46] <mi11k1> not worth it
• 204[02:54:06] <mi11k1> if its important enough that u cant take it offline for 5 mins to do it, than prob not a good gamble
• 205[02:55:11] <t3st3r> <mi11k1> its common with rpis and stuff <- Yes. I do that eventually. Linux is cool enough to afford live resize but it takes few careful steps.
• 206[02:55:52] <mi11k1> t3st3r, ya, ive been doing it along time. now, im smarter and i plan to not have to do it.
• 207[02:56:08] <mi11k1> but, sometimes you gotta
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• 209[02:57:18] <ham1986> unfortunately its the only way, i need this CUDA driver installed and it's run out of space to properly do so.
• 210[02:57:32] <mi11k1> ham1986, i just tried a stunt like that
• 211[02:57:45] <mi11k1> why is the CUDA drivers so large?
• 212[02:58:36] <mi11k1> my card said it was covered, but i dont have it working. I was going to try and use CUDA for my zoneminder\
• 213[02:58:58] <ham1986> heyyy, im going to use cuda for my zoneminder as well!
• 214[02:59:16] <ham1986> cuda toolkit + the nvidia driver are pretty large
• 215[02:59:36] <t3st3r> mi11k1> well, sometimes it still needed/wanted. It's still some stunt, but it works :P.
• 216[02:59:40] <mi11k1> sweeeet.....i have zm running, but the nvidia card is just idle
• 217[03:00:00] <ham1986> btw, if you dont yet have cameras UBQT has good quality camera that works well with zm.
• 218[03:00:09] <mi11k1> i found a way better solution. im using mqtt with motion sensors to trigger events
• 219[03:00:54] <mi11k1> ive got like 4 different kinds of cams and ipwebcam for android
• 220[03:01:12] <ham1986> are u going to use it for hooks?
• 221[03:01:22] <ham1986> machine learning
• 222[03:01:25] <mi11k1> ive got bashido installed too, or whatever that other nvr software is called
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• 224[03:01:49] <mi11k1> ham1986, i havent had the time to read the docs..
• 225[03:01:57] <mi11k1> i wish zm was a simple flick
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• 227[03:02:51] <mi11k1> you know whats real fun, when the hd gets full when it doesnt purge and screws everything up large
• 228[03:03:07] <ham1986> ya, i just spent li9ke 4 days passing my gpu into the vm using proxmox. im running zm in docker and this will be possibly 4 more days.
• 229[03:03:24] <mi11k1> i didnt have good results on proxmox
• 230[03:03:30] <mi11k1> hardware too old
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• 233[03:03:48] <ham1986> no vt-d?
• 234[03:03:51] <ham1986> no vt-r?
• 235[03:03:52] <mi11k1> im running on baremetal deb 10
• 236[03:04:08] <mi11k1> i dunno, its an old server
• 237[03:04:27] <mi11k1> i have a dell r620 sitting on a shelf, that will run it well
• 238[03:04:36] <ham1986> if it has virtualization built into the chip then theres hope
• 239[03:04:50] <mi11k1> i ran it on proxmox for about 2 months
• 240[03:05:24] <mi11k1> i inherited a bunch of hardware, so i experimented
• 241[03:05:43] <mi11k1> i ended up with a quite a few bad HD's
• 242[03:06:00] <mi11k1> i think the proxmox setup wasnt good cause i used ZFS
• 243[03:06:06] <mi11k1> on the backend
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• 245[03:09:15] <mi11k1> ham1986, isnt Proxmox the cats ass? its sweet when you already know debian, and you just know how to use it .
• 246[03:10:31] <mi11k1> ohhh, did u read the docs about gpus? theres more.....
• 247[03:10:46] <mi11k1> if u are trying to passthrough.
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• 261[03:28:51] <mihael> What packages do I need to install to satisfy this error: "Error: Unable to compile the binary module. Do you have the rrdtool header and libraries installed?" ?
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• 265[03:31:30] <jmcnaught> mihael: probably librrd-dev
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• 270[03:35:05] <mihael> jmcnaught: I've installed these packages: rrdtool python-rrdtool python-dev librrd-dev but I'm still getting the error
• 271[03:35:31] <abrotman> mihael: can you open the script to see what it's looking for?
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• 273[03:40:55] <mihael> abrotman: The error comes from installing the packages from requirements.txt
• 274[03:42:27] <abrotman> what command did you run?
• 275[03:43:55] <mihael> replaced-url
• 276[03:44:49] <abrotman> and which one errors? slack.py ?
• 277[03:47:43] <abrotman> if so, open slack.py, and search for that error in the code .. see what it's looking for
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• 280[03:50:38] <jmcnaught> mihael: can you make a pastebin of requirements.txt?
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• 296[04:03:41] <JerryS> Hi, all. I have Debian Buster from Backports. I have a SDD (Sabrent 1tb Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2) which isn't being recognized by Debian. Any ideas?
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• 298[04:04:24] <jmcnaught> JerryS: does it show up in lspci?
• 299[04:04:30] <dvs> Debian Buster from backports? That doesn't make sense.
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• 302[04:07:11] <JerryS> jmcnaught Yes - but I just found something. Looks like it's showing up as /dev/nvme0n1 instead of what I expected.
• 303[04:07:26] <dvs> what did you expect?
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• 305[04:08:08] <sney> "not listed in /dev" b/w "oh there it is"
• 306[04:08:09] <JerryS> dvs Yes, from buster-backports. I needed it to load the new intel wifi driver.
• 307[04:08:44] <JerryS> sney Yep, I I didn't expect it under nvme...
• 308[04:08:48] <dvs> so you mean "Debian Buster with a backported kernel?"
• 309[04:09:37] <JerryS> dvs yes.
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• 312[04:11:01] <JerryS> sney And last time I did fdisk -l it didn't show up but that could have been under the non-backport kernel.
• 313[04:11:12] <sney> ok
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• 315[04:11:24] <sney> perhaps this has been a learning experience
• 316[04:11:51] <JerryS> sney For me, EVERYTHING under Linux is a learning experience! :0
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• 318[04:12:30] <JerryS> sney I'm really trying to get away from the 800 pound gorilla as much as I can.
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• 320[04:13:49] <kj14> 800 pound gorilla == backported kernel?
• 321[04:13:55] <sney> microsoft, presumably
• 322[04:14:06] <JerryS> sney Yep.
• 323[04:14:09] <mihael> abrotman: replaced-url
• 324[04:14:12] <kj14> oh
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• 326[04:14:44] <kj14> anyone use gnome?
• 327[04:14:59] <sney> those of us more experienced users who make sure to keep that learning attitude are the ones who are any good at this. but I think the lesson here is: don't be too sure, and check again
• 328[04:15:07] <mihael> jmcnaught: requirements.txt: replaced-url
• 329[04:15:17] <sney> kj14: it's the most popular desktop in debian by popcon stats, what's your real question?
• 330[04:15:42] <kj14> of course... I use Firefox with different profiles, so the shortcut usually has the -p parameter (which shows the profile chooser dialog) each time the icon is clicked. In Gnome, it launches this way the first time. But if I click the icon again, it brings the existing window back in view instead of showing the profile chooser again. Is there a way to change this behavior?
• 331[04:15:48] <abrotman> mihael: did oyu install python outside of the system python?
• 332[04:16:16] <JerryS> sney Yep. Even after over 50 years of programming I'm still learning!
• 333[04:16:38] <kj14> I'm coming from XFCE with that question
• 334[04:18:33] <sney> I don't have a gnome desktop in front of me so I can't test this, but it sounds like you want to include --no-remote in firefox.desktop's launch options, so it doesn't acknowledge the existing session
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• 342[04:24:52] <mihael> abrotman: what do you mean outisde of the system python?
• 343[04:26:24] <abrotman> I see it referencing /usr/local/bin/python
• 344[04:27:16] <mihael> Uhhm, yeah I have python installed on my workstation
• 345[04:30:01] <jmcnaught> The Dockerfile paste replaced-url
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• 347[04:30:44] <kj14> sney, thank you. that didn't quite work for me, but that gives me something to go on
• 348[04:31:43] <sney> np
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• 350[04:36:51] <ytf0rd> my computer has virus
• 351[04:37:04] <ytf0rd> how to install antivirus?
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• 353[04:37:27] <ham1986> mi11k1, yes, theres a bit more concerning boot loader of the card, but ive managed to get the passthrough to work well. issue was when it was just LXC but on a VM works fine and ill just let it be.
• 354[04:37:51] <queip> what tf is roard and why it wakes up like 100 times per second
• 355[04:38:19] <ham1986> im trying to find my pool. There is a Pool01 from truenas that's connected to proxmox. I cant find it when doing a zfs list, what else can i try?
• 356[04:38:24] <queip> if I uninstall "roaraudio" then still I should be able to normally record/play audio right? form programs using alsa, pulseaudio?
• 357[04:38:32] <ham1986> whoops, wrong chan.
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• 360[04:44:34] <sney> ytf0rd: debian has clamav, but it's mainly for systems hosting services for windows clients. viruses aren't common and don't do much on linux. what are you seeing?
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• 362[04:49:39] <mihael> jmcnaught: how should I rectify this ?
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• 365[04:51:50] <sney> mihael: the python thing? if you remove the /usr/local/bin/python symlink and keep only the versioned binary, it'll unbreak the system python. then you can python3.8 whatever 3.8 specific code you're using, and probably use python3.8 pip to install the missing libraries to /usr/local
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• 368[04:52:33] <sney> and yell at whoever made that image for shipping debian 10 with python in PATH pointing to a python 3 binary
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• 372[05:01:48] <jak2000> hi all hwich command is for configure network?
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• 374[05:05:21] <sney> jak2000: man 5 interfaces
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• 389[05:25:51] <duskmourn> is there a way to install Gnome Classic on Debian? It doesn't seem to be packaged. And no I don't mean Gnome Flashback, which is different and uses metacity still
• 390[05:26:27] <dvs> is that mate?
• 391[05:26:38] <sponix> Mate is probably as close as you are going to get
• 392[05:27:29] <alex11> or cinnamon if you want hot corners
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• 394[05:27:45] <sney> google tells me there's a new version of the 'classic mode' in gnome 3.8, and debian buster has gnome 3.3
• 395[05:28:00] <sney> so uh, maybe in bullsey
• 396[05:28:22] * dvs feels bullsy ;-P
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• 398[05:28:56] <sney> the last character in a line is always a potential casualty :P
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• 401[05:33:22] <sney> anyway: bullseye has gnome 3.38, not sure if that's what the one blogger meant by 3.8 or if there are different release channels, gnome.org doesn't have an obvious list
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• 405[05:35:31] <duskmourn> yeah, I mean the Classic session included with Gnome
• 406[05:35:49] <duskmourn> replaced-url
• 407[05:37:13] <duskmourn> my issue with Cinnamon is the lack of any good themes and wayland support, MATE is alright, but its not very modern
• 408[05:37:43] <sney> that page is conspicuously missing a "these instructions apply to the following GNOME versions" section.
• 409[05:38:16] <sponix> wants "gnome classic" - complains Mate isn't "modern" -- LOL
• 410[05:38:19] <sney> but anyway, debian will leave software from upstream untouched as much as possible, so my guess is that the classic mode option is available in gnome 3.38 in bullseye.
• 411[05:38:30] <sponix> someone needs to make up their mind
• 412[05:38:56] <sney> and as sponix implies, there are other options for if you want a gtk3 desktop but without the ux that default gnome3 offers.
• 413[05:39:32] <sney> xfce seems to be a rising star these days.
• 414[05:39:57] <duskmourn> sponix: Gnome Classic is closer to Cinnamon than MATE, as in actual modern effects and compositing, since it's basically just a pile of extensions and a seperate session for Gnome 3
• 415[05:41:01] <sponix> sney: speaking of options, debating having a look at flux-box. you ever used it ?
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• 418[05:42:20] <sney> fluxbox has popped up as a default for some livecds over the years, so I've used it, but I never went out of my way to really understand it
• 419[05:42:27] <sney> it seems fine, powerful
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• 421[05:43:01] <sney> it's got that windowmaker right-click menu
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• 424[05:46:25] <sponix> sney: Yeah, I just did some reading on it. Seems it is way too much work for me :)
• 425[05:46:45] <sponix> I'll stick with xfwm4+plank
• 426[05:46:57] <sney> when I want the retro X11 experience I go straight to wmaker
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• 428[05:47:35] <sponix> CDE on Solaris 8 ? LOL
• 429[05:48:54] <aaro> just go with twm or fvwm
• 430[05:49:11] <sney> I never spent much time with CDE. the one job I had with a solaris department, I would install linux on the U2s and U10s from the junk pile
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• 433[05:51:06] <aaro> i used openbox with tint2 for a long time
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• 478[07:31:02] <cskr> I copied the latest weekly build of testing ISO to USB disk using dd. I already have Debian installed with UEFI enabled, but secure boot disabled. However, booting from USB disk fails, because mmx64.efi cannot be found. Renaming grub6x4.efi to mmx64.efi makes it work. Why doesn't the ISO comes with mmx64.efi by default?
• 479[07:31:27] <cskr> FWIW, this issue is not specific to testing image. Buster ISO fails with the same reason too.
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• 492[07:44:33] <jak2000> how to remove.... a mariadb installation; replaced-url
• 493[07:45:10] <nkuttler> ,v mariadb-server
• 494[07:45:11] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.23-0+deb10u1; sid: 1:10.3.24-2; buster-security: 1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:10.3.27-0+deb10u1; experimental: 1:10.4.14-1~exp1; bullseye: 1:10.5.8-3;
• 495[07:45:12] <judd> sid: 1:10.5.8-3
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• 498[07:45:56] <nkuttler> jak2000: that doesn't like like a debian version
• 499[07:46:04] <nkuttler> jak2000: apt-cache policy mariadb-server
• 500[07:47:24] <jak2000> ok
• 501[07:47:49] <jelly> in fact,
• 502[07:47:52] <jelly> !bat
• 503[07:47:52] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 504[07:48:12] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 507[07:50:46] <jelly> so please also show: apt-cache policy mariadb-server-10.3 mariadb-client-10.3 mariadb-server-core-10.3 mysql-client-core-5.5 mariadb-client-10.3 mysql-client-core-5.5 mariadb-client-core-10.3 mysql-client-core-5.5
• 508[07:50:52] <jelly> and just "apt-cache policy"
• 509[07:51:10] <jelly> some of those look as if you had buster repos enabled at some point
• 510[07:51:49] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 512[07:52:28] <jak2000> always when try install give me: apt --fix-broken install
• 513[07:52:56] <themill> interesting mixture of releases and architectures you've got there
• 514[07:53:01] <jelly> jak2000: two questions: why are you using mariadb repos for stretch with debian 10?
• 515[07:53:15] <jelly> wait, that's one question
• 516[07:53:23] <jak2000> a error.. not see that i installed stretch
• 517[07:53:53] <jelly> you have debian mirrors for buster, debian 10, not stretch
• 518[07:54:31] <jak2000> yes but first need remove mariadb right?
• 519[07:54:49] <jelly> jak2000: the other question would have been: why use mariadb repos at all when the version is SO close to what's in debian 10 already
• 520[07:55:02] <jak2000> really?
• 521[07:55:06] <jak2000> oo interesting
• 522[07:55:43] <jelly> jak2000: is this supposed to be a debian 9 installation or debian 10 installation?
• 523[07:55:53] <jak2000> debian 10 installation
• 524[07:56:03] <jelly> ok.
• 525[07:56:19] <jak2000> arghh sudo apt install curl -> error: apt --fix-broken install
• 526[07:56:26] <jak2000> run but continue getting error
• 527[07:56:28] <jelly> do you have any data in that mariadb?
• 528[07:56:33] <jak2000> not
• 529[07:56:37] <jak2000> its a clean debian installation
• 530[07:56:54] <jelly> jak2000: then pretty please disable the mariadb stretch repo
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• 532[07:58:13] <jelly> jak2000: and after that, force downgrade of mariadb server to version from distro: apt install mariadb-server-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1
• 533[07:58:32] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 534[07:58:54] <jelly> jak2000: comment out line 22
• 535[07:58:56] <jak2000> comented this line: #deb [arch=amd64,ppc64el,i386] replaced-url
• 536[07:58:58] <jak2000> right?
• 537[07:59:21] <jelly> yes
• 538[07:59:26] <jak2000> see: replaced-url
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• 540[07:59:32] <jak2000> after commented the line
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• 542[07:59:43] <jelly> yeah, noone told you to install curl
• 543[07:59:58] <jak2000> but i need install curl
• 544[08:00:00] <jak2000> and mariadb
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• 546[08:00:06] <jelly> you NEED to fix apt state FIRST
• 547[08:00:14] <jak2000> ok
• 548[08:00:17] <jak2000> now?
• 549[08:00:30] <jelly> jak2000: now force downgrade of mariadb server to version from distro: apt install mariadb-server-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1
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• 551[08:01:10] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 552[08:02:11] <jelly> jak2000: add forcing mariadb-server-core-10.3 to the same version in the same command line
• 553[08:03:06] <jelly> in the same way as mariadb-server-10.3. It's also possible "apt -f install" would be smart enough to figure it out at this point
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• 555[08:03:33] <jak2000> apt install mariadb-server-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1; apt install
• 556[08:03:37] <jak2000> sorry
• 557[08:03:44] <jelly> SAME COMMAND
• 558[08:04:02] <jak2000> this: apt install mariadb-server-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1
• 559[08:04:20] <jelly> apt install mariadb-server-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1 mariadb-server-core-10.3=1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1
• 560[08:04:30] <jelly> jak2000: you can install two things with one apt install.
• 561[08:04:46] <jak2000> now?
• 562[08:05:08] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 563[08:05:28] <jelly> so that worked.
• 564[08:05:39] <jelly> now run "apt --fix-missing install"
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• 566[08:06:05] <jak2000> now?
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• 568[08:06:31] <jak2000> not asked me root password of mariadb
• 569[08:07:27] <jelly> is it asking you for new password or for an existing one?
• 570[08:07:33] <jak2000> not
• 571[08:07:35] <jak2000> only not asked
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• 574[08:08:06] <jelly> why would "apt --fix-missing install" ask for mariadb root password?
• 575[08:08:17] <jak2000> not
• 576[08:08:19] <jak2000> not asked
• 577[08:08:50] <jelly> sorry, I'm not getting what you meant. pastebin the actual command output if possible.
• 578[08:09:06] <jak2000> in other past times.... i installed maria db on debian and asked during installation i need type the root password
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• 580[08:10:10] <jelly> you did not actually install anything with the previous command, you merely downgraded the version
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• 583[08:10:50] <jelly> and also, I believe debian's packaging does not ask nor set a mariadb root password by default these days.
• 584[08:11:18] <jak2000> ok
• 585[08:11:32] <jak2000> now do: sudo apt install mariadb-server ?
• 586[08:12:19] <jelly> jak2000: did "apt --fix-missing install" work?
• 587[08:13:13] <jak2000> yes
• 588[08:13:17] <jak2000> worked
• 589[08:13:27] <jelly> then you can now use apt normally.
• 590[08:13:56] <jelly> it remains to be seen whether your mariadb server is working properly or not.
• 591[08:14:47] <jelly> if you want to set the root password for the database, you can use mysql_secure_installation command.
• 592[08:15:05] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 593[08:15:46] <jelly> okay? Is that unexpected?
• 594[08:16:16] <jak2000> running mysql_secure_installation
• 595[08:17:12] <jelly> since you had mariadb repo packages, which use different defaults from debian, it's possible you alreday have a mysql root password set
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• 601[08:22:08] <jak2000> ok, i need reset root password :)
• 602[08:22:28] <jak2000> thanks jelly
• 603[08:22:32] <jak2000> cotinue tomorrow
• 604[08:23:28] <jelly> if you don't have any data, you could purge all the mariadb packages and let it wipe the db and start over
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• 624[08:52:18] <Sora> can someone help me install llvm-10 please? replaced-url
• 625[08:53:11] <jelly> ,v llvm-10-runtime
• 626[08:53:12] <judd> Package: llvm-10-runtime on amd64 -- bullseye: 1:10.0.1-8+b1; sid: 1:10.0.1-8+b1
• 627[08:53:25] <jelly> Sora: which debian release do you have installed?
• 628[08:53:51] <jelly> seems it's only available in testing and unstable branches
• 629[08:54:04] <Sora> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
• 630[08:55:07] <jelly> Sora: you can't install on that one. You can upgrade the whole system to bullseye. Bear in mind it's an unreleased branch and (other) things might break
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• 632[08:56:40] <jelly> Sora: do _not_ mix repos for newer branches into buster, do not mix and match repos from newer releases, that typically results in more breakage than just upgrading the whole installation
• 633[08:57:01] <jelly> dpkg, buster->bullseye
• 634[08:57:01] <dpkg> In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: replaced-url
• 635[08:57:08] <jelly> dpkg, debian-next
• 636[08:57:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 637[08:57:36] <jelly> Sora: ^ if you choose to go with testing
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• 726[10:25:15] <LnxBil> To answer my own question. The 'new way' (unsure since when this is the way, but it goes way back ...) to do is is to set 'GatewayPorts clientspecified' on the Server. Then the forwarding behaves like I wanted to.
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• 729[10:26:38] <jelly> LnxBil: technically it'd be nice if sshd allowed any bind address in 127.0.0.0/8 without that
• 730[10:27:18] <jelly> and it wouldn't be different from a security PoV
• 731[10:27:24] <LnxBil> jelly: That is what I thought and what I understand from the manpage.
• 732[10:28:19] <LnxBil> manpage of sshd_config states 'to bind to non-loopback addresses'. The plural implied for me that it should work.
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• 767[11:18:22] <nanthencodeneeth> which command to run to find the chipset of usb wifi adapter. I searched a lot but failed misserabily. Please help me
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• 769[11:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1175
• 770[11:19:01] <genr8_> lspci
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• 772[11:19:09] <genr8_> lsusb
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• 774[11:20:12] <nanthencodeneeth> @genr
• 775[11:20:47] <nanthencodeneeth> genr8_ i ran the command but got this output can you please tell me what is my chipset Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0bda:f179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Bus 005 Device 007: ID 05c6:f00e Qualcomm, Inc. Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hubBus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hubBus 003 Device 001: ID
• 776[11:20:48] <nanthencodeneeth> 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hubBus 002 Device 002: ID 04f3:0103 Elan Microelectronics Corp. ActiveJet K-2024 Multimedia KeyboardBus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hubBus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c077 Logitech, Inc. M105 Optical MouseBus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
• 777[11:20:58] <jelly> !paste
• 778[11:20:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 779[11:21:17] <nanthencodeneeth> sorry
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• 781[11:21:27] <jelly> nanthencodeneeth: that's unreadable. use a pastebin, or identify the specific line for your wifi card
• 782[11:22:01] <nanthencodeneeth> replaced-url
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• 784[11:22:27] <nanthencodeneeth> can you please tell me which driver i should use for chipset usb driver
• 785[11:22:37] <jelly> ID 05c6:f00e Qualcomm, Inc. # probably this one
• 786[11:22:39] <genr8_> either the first one or the 2nd one
• 787[11:22:52] <jelly> or the realtek, yes
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• 789[11:23:26] <genr8_> doesnt tell enough info.
• 790[11:23:27] <jelly> 05c6:f00e seems to be a 3G/4G mobile data modem
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• 792[11:23:52] <nanthencodeneeth> @jelly yes i have connected a mobile
• 793[11:23:55] <jelly> now to google 0bda:f179
• 794[11:24:10] <shtrb> jelly, looks like 05c6:f00e is your wifi
• 795[11:24:18] <nanthencodeneeth> jelly thank you thank you so much
• 796[11:24:24] <genr8_> Realtek USB Wireless Adapter Drivers Realtek USB Wireless Adapter Drivers [rtl8188fu] [0bda:f179]
• 797[11:24:27] <shtrb> nanthencodeneeth, sorry - 05c6:f00e
• 798[11:24:47] <genr8_> seems like its this terrible RTL8188 variant
• 799[11:24:58] <nanthencodeneeth> shtrb thanks
• 800[11:25:00] <genr8_> which theres like 1000 variants of
• 801[11:25:13] <shtrb> or the realtek one of the two
• 802[11:25:17] <jelly> and no driver in 5.8 kernel
• 803[11:25:25] <genr8_> all very obscure and specific
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• 805[11:25:41] <nanthencodeneeth> genr8_ now i shall find how to find to install it.Thanks all lot.Debian rocks
• 806[11:26:03] <jelly> nanthencodeneeth: see if you can find an atheros-chipset based usb wifi instead of this oen
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• 808[11:26:35] <genr8_> i wouldnt be so quick to thank us, this chipset is giving people lots of problems
• 809[11:27:15] <jelly> there's a zillion repo forks of the driver replaced-url
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• 811[11:27:32] <genr8_> its not impossible but its not easy unless you have a grasp on how linux drivers work
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• 813[11:28:05] <nanthencodeneeth> genr8_ so you are telling to buy a new adapter.Ok fine .Can you tell me some good usb wifi adapter for debain 9
• 814[11:29:17] <genr8_> i dont use wifi. something with Artheros (AR) chipset
• 815[11:29:39] <shtrb> nanthencodeneeth, I used a cheap RTL8188CUS (cost ~10 euro )
• 816[11:30:30] <genr8_> show him the driver you used then
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• 818[11:30:53] <shtrb> Strike that out , it's a intellectually chalenged RTL , a bad one
• 819[11:31:05] <genr8_> thats the issue lol.
• 820[11:31:07] <shtrb> you better avoid the RTL all togther
• 821[11:31:36] <shtrb> no , it works , I just ralized they are rebanrded and you can get a different card instead
• 822[11:32:10] <genr8_> "intellectually challenged RTL - a bad one" is accurate
• 823[11:32:57] <shtrb> I have configured auto correct :)
• 824[11:34:03] <genr8_> not what i meant. i was agreeing
• 825[11:34:32] <shtrb> I got what you meant , just made it clear it was autocorrect
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• 827[11:35:42] <nanthencodeneeth> thanks friend . for your valuable help and support.I am leaving right now.Will rejoin after some time.Let Debain win
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• 830[11:37:05] <genr8_> from past history, i can only assume realtek makes bad drivers on purpose
• 831[11:37:16] <shtrb> They used to be good for a while
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• 833[11:37:33] <shtrb> It was Broadcom < Realtek < Atheros
• 834[11:37:35] <genr8_> yeah, it was adequate, then not.
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• 837[11:38:26] <shtrb> genr8_, I recently pourchased a driver that had been using NDIS , in 2020 and kernel 4.19 and up some vendor still rely on NDIS
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• 839[11:39:03] <genr8_> performance is probably sheit
• 840[11:39:21] * Haohmaru remembers "ndis" from the time when he couldn't configure his LAN :~(
• 841[11:39:30] <shtrb> it's the same one
• 842[11:39:35] <Haohmaru> aww noes
• 843[11:39:38] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 844[11:39:50] <genr8_> thats the windows api
• 845[11:39:50] <Haohmaru> i had "slackware" back then
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• 847[11:41:17] <shtrb> genr8_, and I had payed for that ~50 euro for that card. Marvell #%@#%@
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• 849[11:42:24] <genr8_> its a great wifi conspiracy
• 850[11:42:47] <shtrb> But Marvell is a US company , they should be doing better
• 851[11:43:01] <genr8_> yep. so its on purpose.
• 852[11:43:03] <Haohmaru> weefee sux
• 853[11:43:09] <shtrb> genr8_, let's take it to #debian-offtopic
• 854[11:43:39] <genr8_> im going to eat. TLDR: Wifi sucks
• 855[11:44:02] <shtrb> TL;DR closed source hardware sucks with Linux
• 856[11:44:14] <Haohmaru> most wireless things sux
• 857[11:44:36] <shtrb> I have a radio that still works :P it's wireless input only
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• 883[12:15:24] <shtrb> How can I see if Dolby messages are sent and arrive to the system ? tried xev (nothing) tried looking in /var/log/syslog no interesting messages (lsusb 047f:c03b Plantronics, Inc. HD1 )
• 884[12:16:08] <ratrace> what are "Dolby messages"
• 885[12:17:04] <shtrb> A command by "Dolby Digital Device" to switch to a different mode pulse audio
• 886[12:17:23] <shtrb> like a multimedia key , but specific to Dolby
• 887[12:17:37] <shtrb> or to change what "mode" it should be working in
• 888[12:19:38] <ratrace> well if xev doens't see it, then there aren't signals in the input device that xorg understands as such. is there a /dev/input/ device specific to it?
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• 891[12:21:47] <shtrb> I found one /dev/input but I do not know how to know if that is related to mic or to the button
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• 893[12:22:32] <ratrace> shtrb: look into /dev/input/by-id/ or by-path and match the pci lane
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• 930[13:20:32] <Cymew> So, I have a hard time figuring out how to slice the disk with partman. Can I even create a recipe with an efi partition, a big root partition and then a 1GB partition *at the end* of the disk. For me the root partition eats the whole disk, and never leave and space. Is the trick to have a large enough priority on the last partion?
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• 944[13:38:28] <oxek> what is the procedure for running the debian installer, but with the backports kernel?
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• 949[13:40:08] <Franciman> so that it is set at boot
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• 969[14:06:10] <rootkea> Hello! I'm on Debian 10 + xfce. When I press brightness keys, xfce4-power-manager correctly sets /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness but due to this bug in kernel shipped with Debian replaced-url
• 970[14:06:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 971[14:06:43] <rootkea> Anyways, so I'm using this 3-lines script (uses xrandr) to change perceived brightness replaced-url
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• 973[14:07:19] <rootkea> Now, my question is how do I make brightness keys to also execute this script in addition to changing /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
• 974[14:08:26] <rootkea> Since the script reads the value from /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness and then sets the perceived brightness accordingly
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• 988[14:27:57] <eoli3n> Hi
• 989[14:28:10] <eoli3n> i have a strange behaviour since upgrade to debian 10
• 990[14:28:19] <Franciman> eoli3n, do you have problems with ath10k?
• 991[14:28:33] <eoli3n> what is this ? no i don't think so
• 992[14:28:35] <Franciman> oh ok
• 993[14:28:39] <Franciman> what's your problem?
• 994[14:28:53] <eoli3n> networking can't renew DHCP
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• 996[14:29:13] <eoli3n> if i force reboot, at startup, my bridge and interface gets ip
• 997[14:29:16] <eoli3n> but after a while
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• 999[14:29:25] <eoli3n> some hour, if can't renew ip
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• 1001[14:29:44] <eoli3n> and i get tons of "DHCPREQUEST" lines in networking.service journald
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• 1003[14:29:55] <jelly> weird, you got any local firewall rules in place?
• 1004[14:30:01] <eoli3n> nop
• 1005[14:30:02] <Franciman> are you connected on wifi?
• 1006[14:30:07] <eoli3n> and as said it works when rebooting
• 1007[14:30:09] <eoli3n> no wifi
• 1008[14:30:12] <Franciman> ok cool
• 1009[14:30:13] <eoli3n> its a serveur
• 1010[14:30:23] <eoli3n> what's cool ? :)
• 1011[14:30:30] <Franciman> wifi problems are hard :P
• 1012[14:30:33] <eoli3n> ah
• 1013[14:31:15] <eoli3n> replaced-url
• 1014[14:31:17] <eoli3n> tons of this
• 1015[14:31:24] <Franciman> are you using dhclient?
• 1016[14:31:31] <Franciman> ok yes
• 1017[14:31:32] <Franciman> lol
• 1018[14:31:32] <eoli3n> networking.service does
• 1019[14:31:37] <jelly> eoli3n: how do you set up the network, /etc/network/interfaces, NetworkManager, systemd-networkd, ...?
• 1020[14:31:44] <eoli3n> network/interfaces
• 1021[14:31:47] <eoli3n> i'm pâsting
• 1022[14:31:49] <eoli3n> pasting
• 1023[14:31:52] <jelly> !paste
• 1024[14:31:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1026[14:32:01] <eoli3n> i know jelly
• 1027[14:32:03] <eoli3n> thanks
• 1028[14:32:18] <eoli3n> replaced-url
• 1029[14:32:27] <jelly> eoli3n: also, "brctl show"
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• 1031[14:32:47] <eoli3n> brctl : replaced-url
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• 1033[14:33:05] <eoli3n> this is a really simple case
• 1034[14:33:10] <jelly> why do you have both auto eno1 and allow-hotplug eno1
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• 1036[14:33:30] <eoli3n> is that exclusive ?
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• 1038[14:33:34] <jelly> yes
• 1039[14:33:39] <eoli3n> ok, which one should stay ?
• 1040[14:33:39] <jelly> I'm not sure which one wins
• 1041[14:33:57] <jelly> if your eno1 exists at all times, keep auto
• 1042[14:34:13] <eoli3n> actually it tells that i should use both : replaced-url
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• 1044[14:34:33] <jelly> do you have the inet eno1 stanza in place just so that ifupdown brings the link up before bridge?
• 1045[14:34:53] <eoli3n> i don't get what you mean
• 1046[14:34:58] <eoli3n> stanza ?
• 1047[14:35:06] <jelly> why do you have a configuration for eno1 _at all_?
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• 1049[14:35:12] <jelly> whynot just the bridge?
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• 1051[14:35:22] <eoli3n> because i need to add it on the bridge
• 1052[14:35:27] <eoli3n> the wiki says to configure like this
• 1053[14:35:44] <eoli3n> replaced-url
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• 1055[14:36:00] <jelly> much of that page seems wrong or cargo culted from who knows what old version
• 1056[14:36:02] <eoli3n> but no auto nor hotpug here
• 1057[14:36:14] <eoli3n> lets get en wiki
• 1058[14:36:16] <jelly> you shouldn't have both auto and allow-hotplug, AFAIK
• 1059[14:36:33] <eoli3n> replaced-url
• 1060[14:36:43] <eoli3n> following this, i will remove both
• 1061[14:36:57] <jelly> eoli3n: go comment out all the eno1 stuff, reboot, see if br0 and its member come up properly
• 1062[14:37:10] <eoli3n> as said, when i reboot it starts well
• 1063[14:37:15] <eoli3n> problem come after few hours
• 1064[14:37:21] <eoli3n> but ok
• 1065[14:37:41] <jelly> I want to see what happens if you get rid of all the superfluous stuff
• 1066[14:37:44] <eoli3n> lets cross fingers, because this is a server, i'm not at work
• 1067[14:37:52] <eoli3n> ok
• 1068[14:37:52] <jelly> oh, then don't do it :-)
• 1069[14:38:06] <jelly> unless you have console access over a BMC
• 1070[14:38:07] <eoli3n> lets keep the manual line
• 1071[14:38:22] <eoli3n> replaced-url
• 1072[14:38:23] <eoli3n> like this
• 1073[14:38:51] <jelly> that won't get activated without either auto or allow-hotpluf
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• 1075[14:39:10] <jelly> so it does not serve a n actual purpose like that
• 1076[14:39:31] <eoli3n> why is that config on the official wiki then ?
• 1077[14:39:34] <jelly> but if you don't have out of band console access, don't do this
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• 1079[14:39:47] <jelly> eoli3n: debian's wiki is full of outdated info :-\
• 1080[14:40:11] <jelly> some is correct, some used to be correct for previous releases
• 1081[14:40:32] <eoli3n> wt...
• 1082[14:40:37] <eoli3n> ^^'
• 1083[14:40:46] <jelly> now you know
• 1084[14:40:56] <eoli3n> so what should i try
• 1085[14:41:05] <eoli3n> only auto eno1 ?
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• 1087[14:41:43] <eoli3n> :wq -> reboot
• 1088[14:41:45] <eoli3n> lets see
• 1089[14:41:51] <eoli3n> i like to live dangerously
• 1090[14:41:56] <jelly> when you have console access, try commenting out all the explicit eno1 stuff
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• 1092[14:42:27] <eoli3n> but that doesn't explain why dhclient works at startup but not when renewing ip
• 1093[14:42:40] <jelly> no, no it doesn't
• 1094[14:42:59] <eoli3n> just rebooted only with auto eno1 and manual line
• 1095[14:43:06] <eoli3n> (and bridge config obviously)
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• 1099[14:45:35] <jelly> eh, leave it like that for now, experimenting further is probably better left of when you have console access
• 1100[14:46:00] <eoli3n> lets cron this -> */5 * * * * ping -c 4 google.fr || reboot
• 1101[14:46:03] <jelly> this is why I like servers with a separate BMC
• 1102[14:46:11] * jelly blinks
• 1103[14:46:29] <jelly> eoli3n: why not an ifdown; ifup instead of reboot
• 1104[14:46:31] <eoli3n> hope google will not die until i fix this
• 1105[14:46:46] <eoli3n> jelly because idk if ifdown ifup solve it
• 1106[14:46:48] <eoli3n> reboot does
• 1107[14:46:56] <jelly> nod
• 1108[14:47:02] <eoli3n> nod ?
• 1109[14:47:30] <eoli3n> i don't know what it means
• 1110[14:47:32] <jelly> I nodded my head in understanding, virtually
• 1111[14:47:38] <eoli3n> oh ok
• 1112[14:47:45] <eoli3n> didn't know that word
• 1113[14:47:46] <eoli3n> (fr)
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• 1117[14:49:02] <eoli3n> i'm wondering if i could trigger a script at startup to check if br0 is ok after the change, else restore config
• 1118[14:49:11] <eoli3n> and then reboot
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• 1121[14:49:56] <eoli3n> lets write a service
• 1122[14:52:22] <eoli3n> oh better
• 1123[14:52:38] <eoli3n> i edit /lib/systemd/system/networking.service
• 1124[14:53:03] <eoli3n> adding ExecStartPost
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• 1126[14:54:37] <eoli3n> ExecStartPost=cp /etc/default/interface.old /etc/default/interface
• 1127[14:54:40] <eoli3n> good plan
• 1128[14:54:42] <eoli3n> i reboot
• 1129[14:54:47] <jelly> don't edit, copy to /etc/systemd/systemd/ and that one will take precedence
• 1130[14:54:50] <eoli3n> then it will configure network
• 1131[14:54:59] <eoli3n> just after that it will restore old interface file
• 1132[14:55:10] <eoli3n> then my crontab , if no google.fr, will reboot after 5min
• 1133[14:55:13] <eoli3n> :P
• 1134[14:55:18] <eoli3n> lets try this ?
• 1135[14:55:32] <eoli3n> i just added a line so...
• 1136[14:55:41] <eoli3n> i will revert as easily
• 1137[14:55:59] <jak2000> hi rfiends good morning, how to remove all mariadb installation? ( not accept the root password of mariadb) i run: sudo mysql_secure_installation and in other way resetted root mariadb password.. but not accepted...
• 1138[14:56:03] <jak2000> *friends
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• 1140[14:56:36] <eoli3n> reboot -> networking.service done -> restore interface -> cron checks google -> if fails reboot and then networking should rework
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• 1142[14:57:17] <jelly> jak2000: purge all the mariadb-server packages?
• 1143[14:57:36] <jelly> !purge
• 1144[14:57:37] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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• 1146[14:57:55] <jelly> apt has "purge" as well.
• 1147[14:58:05] <eoli3n> jelly what do you think, reboot ?
• 1148[14:58:43] <eoli3n> lets play
• 1149[14:58:47] <eoli3n> russian roulet
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• 1151[14:59:05] <jelly> eoli3n: I've already said what I think about remote reboots without console access. "Don't"
• 1152[14:59:25] <eoli3n> don't worry, server is not so important, and i will get a console tomorrow morning
• 1153[14:59:45] * jelly loves iLO and iDRAC
• 1154[14:59:57] <eoli3n> iLO iDRAC ?
• 1155[15:00:19] <jelly> remote management, IPMI for some brand-name servers
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• 1157[15:00:37] <jelly> gives you console access, power button, booting from remote .iso image..
• 1158[15:00:43] <eoli3n> ok nice
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• 1162[15:01:02] <eoli3n> i know that we're working on
• 1163[15:01:08] * eoli3n is scratching his head
• 1164[15:01:14] <eoli3n> forgetted the name
• 1165[15:01:23] <eoli3n> something that lets you get remote bios access
• 1166[15:01:33] <eoli3n> intel vpro
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• 1169[15:02:18] <eoli3n> added duplicated line ExecStopPost to be sure
• 1170[15:02:23] <eoli3n> lets reboot
• 1171[15:02:33] <eoli3n> so in interfaces i only have bridge
• 1172[15:02:39] <eoli3n> and loopback
• 1173[15:02:50] <jelly> vPro is a marketing name for multiple feature, one of those is Intel AMT which is similar to IPMI but for workstations, not servers
• 1174[15:02:53] <eoli3n> lets ping and wait
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• 1177[15:03:07] <eoli3n> jelly yep i'm talking about workstations
• 1178[15:03:20] <jelly> you did say this was a server4
• 1179[15:03:38] <eoli3n> i didn't knew that intel vpro is not for servers
• 1180[15:03:44] <eoli3n> it pinging !
• 1181[15:03:47] <eoli3n> its
• 1182[15:03:57] <eoli3n> sshed
• 1183[15:04:28] <eoli3n> and obvsiously, my dirty cp interfaces.old to interface didnt work :D
• 1184[15:04:33] <eoli3n> so i'm a lucky guy
• 1185[15:05:17] <eoli3n> maybe i should sytemctl daemon-reload before ?
• 1186[15:05:29] <eoli3n> strange a reboot is a hard daermon-reload
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• 1188[15:05:54] <eoli3n> i can't see that it triggerd my cp in journalctl -u networking
• 1189[15:06:11] <eoli3n> anyway its working without eno1 stuff
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• 1191[15:06:16] <eoli3n> lets wait and see
• 1192[15:06:57] <eoli3n> obviously a generator did erase my networking.service tweaks
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• 1194[15:07:44] <eoli3n> if you cp /lib/systemd/system/networking.service /etc/systemd/system/
• 1195[15:07:52] <eoli3n> do you need to reenable the service ?
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• 1197[15:08:06] <greycat> you'd need to run daemon-reload, or reboot
• 1198[15:08:08] <eoli3n> or it juste overwrite the "system-side" service
• 1199[15:08:15] <eoli3n> i rebooted
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• 1201[15:08:23] <eoli3n> and then my modifications are gone
• 1202[15:08:37] <eoli3n> i think because a generator rewrite the /lib/systemd/system files
• 1203[15:09:02] <greycat> your copy in /etc/systemd/system/ should take precedence
• 1204[15:09:33] <jelly> they didn't make a copy, but edited directly the file in /lib
• 1205[15:09:50] <jelly> oh, I can't read
• 1206[15:09:56] <greycat> so the question they asked about cp was completely hypothetical?
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• 1208[15:10:39] <jelly> it was asking about best practice instead, I hope
• 1209[15:11:07] <jelly> a daemon-reload rereads the files.
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• 1237[15:37:07] <jak2000> jelly found the problem...
• 1238[15:38:15] <jak2000> when i access to mysql console with myuser i get a access denied.. i type: mysql -uroot -p but when i access with sudo mysql -uroot -p and type the password i am in mariadb console, why?
• 1239[15:38:18] <jak2000> any advice?
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• 1268[16:09:37] <e3d3> How can I disable the control-alt-delete keybinding. I tried by commenting the corresponding line in /etc/inittab but that didn't work.
• 1269[16:10:09] <tomg> i don't know how to do it on systemd
• 1270[16:10:52] <e3d3> I don't have systemd, I'm on MX Linux, a Debian derivate
• 1271[16:11:25] <tomg> !mxlinux
• 1272[16:11:25] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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• 1275[16:14:43] <greycat> We can only try to guess how MX Linux works, since we don't use it here, and we don't know what changes they made. If it were Debian on sysvinit, then the fact that your change "didn't work" means you rebooted, right? In that case, the reboot would have re-read the file and it should work now.
• 1276[16:14:55] <greycat> At least, that's how it would have been on Debian.
• 1277[16:15:18] <greycat> To make it take effect without rebooting, you would have needed to run "telinit q". On Debian. Which you are not on.
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• 1279[16:15:28] <e3d3> nm. SOLVED, thanks to tomg. I had to do: sudo init
• 1280[16:15:54] <n4dir> even worse, i got that line in inittab and pressing ctrl+alt+del does what the window-manager is configured to. Didn't even know it would do anything.
• 1281[16:16:11] <e3d3> greycat, thanks for your response, but normally you are on my ignore-list. I will fix this again, sorry.
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• 1283[16:16:21] <greycat> c-a-del being handled by init only works if you're on a console, not in X
• 1284[16:16:33] <n4dir> ah, that easy. thanks, greycat
• 1285[16:16:35] <greycat> if you're in X, it gets handled by whatever X application is listening for it, if any
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• 1291[16:19:04] <e3d3> correction: I had to do: sudo init q
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• 1295[16:19:53] <greycat> yeah, that's a synonym for "telinit q"
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• 1328[17:04:04] <L0aD1nG> hello
• 1329[17:04:16] <petn-randall> hi L0aD1nG
• 1330[17:04:36] <L0aD1nG> does anyone know about printing, i would like to make my HP printer work on debian 10
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• 1332[17:04:44] <L0aD1nG> I use the backports kernel though
• 1333[17:04:50] <L0aD1nG> just that from backports
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• 1335[17:05:54] <asymptotically> the only thing i know about printing is that printers are instruments of the devil
• 1336[17:05:55] <petn-randall> !hplip
• 1337[17:05:55] <dpkg> HPLIP is a vendor developed solution for printing, scanning, and faxing with HP inkjet and laser based printers in Linux. A list of supported devices can be found at replaced-url
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• 1339[17:06:04] <petn-randall> L0aD1nG: I use this, it does the job. ^^^
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• 1341[17:06:48] <L0aD1nG> checking it
• 1342[17:07:15] <L0aD1nG> i get "Page not found" :S
• 1343[17:08:10] <guzzlefry> evening, I'm using the replaced-url
• 1344[17:08:33] <L0aD1nG> as the wiki says i need this packages i think "cups printer-driver-all"
• 1345[17:08:40] <L0aD1nG> maybe that does the job...
• 1346[17:09:12] <petn-randall> L0aD1nG: "hplip" is also a package in Debian. Just install it, and it has a question-driven setup command.
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• 1349[17:11:49] <jelly> guzzlefry: that would certainly be a good start
• 1350[17:12:20] <jelly> guzzlefry: also consider switching back to distro php
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• 1353[17:13:23] <L0aD1nG> should i reboot after installing those packages?
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• 1355[17:15:36] <petn-randall> L0aD1nG: It shouldn't be needed, this isn't windows ;)
• 1356[17:16:58] <L0aD1nG> petn-randall: yea i know. I thought maybe it should run something when os starts
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• 1358[17:18:29] <L0aD1nG> ok i installed this packages "cups printer-driver-all hplip"
• 1359[17:18:36] <jak2000> hi all how to configure my network dhcp (Actually have a static ip, but i need configure as dhc, thanks
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• 1365[17:23:17] <greycat> jak2000: find out the interface name (from "ip link" or similar), then edit /etc/network/interfaces and have two lines in it: "auto ifname" and "iface ifname inet dhcp" where "ifname" is the name of your interface
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• 1367[17:23:37] <L0aD1nG> should lpoptions return something now? Command runs but shows nothing
• 1368[17:23:39] <greycat> this is assuming it's an ethernet interface, not wireless
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• 1370[17:26:24] <jak2000> ok, i have this configurtion: replaced-url
• 1371[17:26:28] <L0aD1nG> lpinfo -v; detects the driver
• 1372[17:26:40] <L0aD1nG> s/the driver/the printer
• 1373[17:27:26] <jak2000> line 15: iface vmbr0 inet static change to: iface vmbr0 inet dhcp and then 16 to 23 comment?
• 1374[17:27:48] <greycat> Oh, bridges are involved? Then I can't help.
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• 1378[17:28:44] <jak2000> greycat for me?
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• 1381[17:32:02] <ratrace> jak2000: yes, did you try that? and no duplicate entries if you want dhcp
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• 1383[17:33:14] <unixbsd> hello, a little question, where to download the official DVD *Live* of DEBIAN -testing- 4.4GB Hybrid-ISO on the website of debian.org? (i mean live).
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• 1385[17:34:18] <unixbsd> (*for pc of cpu: amd64)
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• 1387[17:34:39] <greycat> These three words don't really fit together like that. "Official" "Testing" "Live". You might be able to fit 1 or 2 of those together, but definitely not all 3.
• 1388[17:35:20] <greycat> The real question is whether you'd get better answers asking the #debian-live people or the #debian-next people. Both of which are on the other network.
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• 1391[17:39:01] <unixbsd> ok, I ask where are found the live debian... #debian-live
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• 1393[17:39:34] <unixbsd> well, there is no #debian-live users.
• 1394[17:39:43] <greycat> "Both of which are on the other network."
• 1395[17:39:46] <greycat> !oftc
• 1396[17:39:46] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 1399[17:41:46] <unixbsd> ah.. Ok, thank you. I try this server.
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• 1401[17:42:52] <unixbsd> ah it is private channel #debian-live on oftc.
• 1402[17:43:29] <sney> you're still on freenode. oftc is a different network. if you're seeing 'invite only' you haven't changed servers.
• 1403[17:44:13] <unixbsd> ah, it needs authentification: "OFTC] -!- #debian-live Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.
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• 1407[17:46:45] <greycat> You are still on the wrong network.
• 1408[17:47:02] <greycat> or... maybe you've never been to OFTC before and aren't registered there yet.
• 1409[17:47:36] <greycat> last time I was there, they had changed their registration from nickserv to some web-based thing, so good luck
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• 1411[17:50:11] <jelly> it's nickserv + confirmation on web
• 1412[17:50:15] <jelly> iirc
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• 1414[17:51:23] <MathAmphetamine> does it require non-free js?
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• 1418[17:53:24] <jelly> non-free js?
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• 1420[17:53:32] <CrystalMath> javascript which is not free software
• 1421[17:53:39] <CrystalMath> working with LibreJS and stuff
• 1422[17:53:48] <greycat> I've pretty sure the free implementations of javascript can handle it.
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• 1424[17:53:59] <CrystalMath> no no, the scripts on the page themselves must be free software
• 1425[17:54:10] <greycat> ... ask OFTC, then.
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• 1427[17:54:29] <CrystalMath> i'm already registered, it's not my concern, but nobody should support a service that requires non-free js
• 1428[17:55:42] <L0aD1nG> i did it. it works but not from terminal..
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• 1432[17:59:19] <jelly> CrystalMath: the fact you're bringing it up sure makes it sound like you're concerned
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• 1438[18:06:55] <unixbsd> well, i thought that irc oftc was the oldest and most welcome irc. well, it seems that this changed. anti hackers, bots... nowadays.
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• 1441[18:08:44] <jhutchins> unixbsd: Good grief no. The oftc network is relatively young. Even freenode doen't go back that far.
• 1442[18:09:02] <spektrum> yeah, the world changed, now it seems to be more importat to spend time arguing about correct gendering, CoC and related stuff.
• 1443[18:09:06] <jhutchins> unixbsd: People were accessing irc from university mainframes in the 80's.
• 1444[18:09:29] <unixbsd> ah, which one was first? i cant remember the elder name one. do you remember icq ;) ?
• 1445[18:11:31] <jhutchins> Not sure. I was on undernet for a while, but that was back then.
• 1446[18:12:01] <jhutchins> unixbsd: I presume that like usenet, there were campus-specific nets before there were intrconnections.
• 1447[18:12:11] <unixbsd> undernet, that was those threads with post, message to retrieve those archives, files... and stuffs (several parts)?
• 1448[18:12:38] <jhutchins> unixbsd: No, undernet was an irc network, mostly for fringe topics.
• 1449[18:13:02] <jhutchins> unixbsd: usenet was more mailing lists and files.
• 1450[18:14:23] <unixbsd> ah yeah, this usenet, on windows 3.1 if I remember well. runnin on win95. I use at that time netscape, and 5 years later, debian appeared. potatoes at school ;) was early kde 1.
• 1451[18:15:10] <jhutchins> unixbsd: replaced-url
• 1452[18:15:45] <unixbsd> cool 1988.
• 1453[18:16:22] <unixbsd> replaced-url
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• 1455[18:16:41] <CrystalMath> spektrum: the big problem is that assumption that people are guilty, until they're proven innocent
• 1456[18:16:41] <CrystalMath> personally i am against most anti-spam measures
• 1457[18:16:41] <CrystalMath> i say better to let 999 spammers spam than ban even 1 innocent
• 1458[18:16:41] <CrystalMath> that's why i'm strongly against things like DroneBL
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• 1463[18:16:42] <jhutchins> unixbsd: Probably more mainframe terminals, like DEC VMS than Windows. Windows wasn't really internet capable until the 90's. It took some serious arm-twisting to even get Windows on a LAN.
• 1464[18:17:03] <unixbsd> It was really bad indeed.
• 1465[18:17:18] <jhutchins> CrystalMath: Clearly you've never run a commercial server.
• 1466[18:17:26] <L0aD1nG> great printer works from terminal too, thanks for any help! (I should check wiki and manuals first though...)
• 1467[18:17:29] <unixbsd> I never got anything running on Win3.1 and 95. Until NT. came... we went to slackware very early ... !!!
• 1468[18:17:47] <L0aD1nG> s/any//
• 1469[18:18:19] <unixbsd> And... Internet went fine: Netscape Age, and search engines. Highway61.com was my cool one.
• 1470[18:18:48] <jhutchins> unixbsd: So you missed out on FidoNET?
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• 1472[18:19:40] <unixbsd> jhutchins: never heard...
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• 1475[18:20:09] <unixbsd> jhutchins: btw, do you know that you can run debian kde 1.1. on modern PC?
• 1476[18:20:42] <spektrum> CrystalMath: true!
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• 1479[18:22:26] <jhutchins> unixbsd: I don't know why I would care.
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• 1481[18:22:49] <CrystalMath> jhutchins: then perhaps none of these should be for-profit ventures
• 1482[18:23:14] <unixbsd> bit of retro. ;) replaced-url
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• 1484[18:24:06] <unixbsd> that's really old... 1983. did it work on cp/m well? did cp/m have good networking layer?
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• 1490[18:28:40] <jelly> also #debian-offtopic is over here ->
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• 1545[19:15:48] <debhack> Hey guys, I'm a bit puzzled because my laptop Fn keys are not recognised anymore by in my Debian testing system, do you know of any package that has been updated recently and can be involved in this?
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• 1547[19:17:28] <debhack> They were working a few days ago, so I guess it has to be an update from the last 3-4 days. I've checked the usual suspects (xserver-xorg-input-kbd, libinput, etc) but no luck there. Thanks!
• 1548[19:17:29] <jhutchins> debhack: You're more likely to find people who know about testing package status in #debian-next on oftc.net
• 1549[19:17:32] <RoyK> debhack: stable or testing?
• 1550[19:17:43] <debhack> thanks jhutchins
• 1551[19:17:52] <debhack> RoyK, testing
• 1552[19:18:15] <jhutchins> debhack: There are apt logs in /var/log that shold tell you what got updated.
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• 1555[19:20:37] <debhack> yup, I checked there, but haven't found anything that seems relevant for keyboard recognition (X11 related)
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• 1560[19:27:44] <debhack> I think I'm gonna try reinstalling xorg from scratch and see if they come back to life, it's really weird... thanks for your comments!!
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• 1562[19:28:08] <KREYREEN> I have debian in qubesOS which has VGA on PCI 00:00.0 -> How can i use it?
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• 1564[19:28:16] <KREYREEN> `DRI_PRIME=1 supertuxkart` ain't working
• 1565[19:28:32] * KREYREEN goes to get an axe in case someone starts to scream UNSUPPORTED SETUP
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• 1567[19:34:08] <towo`> KREYREEN, it is ab unsupported setup here and you know it
• 1568[19:34:16] <towo`> s/ab/an
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• 1570[19:34:29] <KREYREEN> towo`, i hate you much T_T
• 1571[19:34:54] * KREYREEN would argue about it being debian running in xen, but he goes to #devuan when they are nicer~
• 1572[19:35:00] <greycat> ... son of a bitch, he's using variant spellings of his nick now?
• 1573[19:35:26] * greycat adds another to the /ignore list
• 1574[19:35:33] <towo`> KREYREEN, ask in cubesos irc
• 1575[19:35:48] <KREYREEN> why cubesos
• 1576[19:36:11] <towo`> because it's a problem of cubesOS, not debian
• 1577[19:36:21] <KREYREEN> greycat, randomly changing these senpai~
• 1578[19:36:42] <KREYREEN> towo`, how is that relevant to cubesOS?
• 1579[19:37:00] <KREYREEN> you know i am on qubes right~
• 1580[19:37:10] <KREYREEN> and qubes issue has been resolved as the VGA is available in PCI
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• 1583[19:39:10] <towo`> KREYREEN, install debian on bare metal, then you see it's not a debian problem, period
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• 1585[19:40:29] <KREYREEN> towo`, possibly, but that ain't an excuse for you to act like band of darwin users instead of helping me to get that to work
• 1586[19:41:00] <towo`> play elsewgere
• 1587[19:41:05] <KREYREEN> >.>
• 1588[19:41:07] <towo`> elsewhere
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• 1593[19:43:37] <ratrace> KREYREEN: c'mon, you know better than to ask here about non-debian ;)
• 1594[19:43:52] <KREYREEN> ratrace, it's literally debian in VM!
• 1595[19:43:56] <KREYREEN> xen vm
• 1596[19:44:05] <KREYREEN> with UI to make it non-painful
• 1597[19:44:07] <KREYREEN> but stil!
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• 1599[19:44:31] <ratrace> yeah but how to use here is how to setup xen to pci pass vga to teh VM
• 1600[19:44:47] <ratrace> qubeos dom0 even
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• 1602[19:45:15] <KREYREEN> ratrace, qubesOS is passing VGA from dom0 to debian VM on PCI 00:00.0
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• 1604[19:45:29] <KREYREEN> i dunno how to force it to use that PCi though as it's using llvmpipe for graphics
• 1605[19:45:30] <ratrace> KREYREEN: okay, and lspci shows it?
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• 1608[19:45:38] <KREYREEN> ratrace, yep as 00:00.0
• 1609[19:45:45] <ratrace> which gpu is that
• 1610[19:45:55] <KREYREEN> user@personal:~$ lspci
• 1611[19:45:55] <KREYREEN> 00:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M]
• 1612[19:45:57] <dnull> Stick with replaced-url
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• 1614[19:46:04] <KREYREEN> afaik the VBIOS is 6750M
• 1615[19:46:14] <dnull> Stop bothering other channels.
• 1616[19:46:16] <ratrace> KREYREEN: so it should behave like baremetal?
• 1617[19:46:25] <KREYREEN> dnull, T-T
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• 1619[19:46:44] <KREYREEN> ratrace, i though so, but that seems to be related to debian userland not expecting the PCI on 00:00.0
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• 1622[19:47:10] <ratrace> KREYREEN: eh what? no. 00:00.0 is just fine for teh gpu
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• 1624[19:47:31] <ratrace> (not sure if AMD has a problem with that, but nvidia sure doesn't)
• 1625[19:47:35] <dnull> "allows me to assign PCI device to the desired VM so i assume that this is a pebcak."
• 1626[19:47:58] <KREYREEN> ratrace, apparently not.. i would think this to be related to something like missing package, but amd-firmware-graphics is installed
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• 1629[19:48:16] <ratrace> KREYREEN: but uh, the actual problem here is missing. "how to use" is too vague. debian (on baremetal) just uses 00:00.0, JustLikeThat(tm)
• 1630[19:48:21] <KREYREEN> dnull, pebcak in relation to configuring the PCI passthrough with possible bug that is causing system halt
• 1631[19:48:41] <ratrace> I'd be willing to bet on incomplete pci passthru setup here
• 1632[19:48:42] <dnull> So patch the idiot, and not the software.
• 1633[19:48:53] <KREYREEN> ratrace, i see, let me try to mess with it
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• 1636[19:49:10] <KREYREEN> dnull, i want to patch the software so that it aborts in the scenario where it would cause halt and update docs thus the tracking
• 1637[19:49:13] <t3st3r> wasn's kubeos fedora based? or have they moved?
• 1638[19:49:24] <KREYREEN> t3st3r, still fedora c32
• 1639[19:49:40] <KREYREEN> apparently the dom0 can be changed to whatever though assuming the UI packages transferred
• 1640[19:50:18] <KREYREEN> dnull, also patching the idiot can be done by docs :p as current do not mention this issue if it's actionable in qubesOS..
• 1641[19:50:19] <ratrace> KREYREEN: but what is the _Actual_ problem? what's the xorg log? or kernel barking/barfing log?
• 1642[19:50:26] <KREYREEN> ratrace, checking sec
• 1643[19:50:44] <ratrace> I mean if you can lspci that, from the domU, then the pci lane is there, and lspci can query it.....
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• 1646[19:52:31] <KREYREEN> ratrace, lspci in dom0 has that on 01:00.0 which shoudn't matter.. i think it could be related to para-virtualization or something like amdgpu.si_support=0 in kernel cli that is loading amdgpu? As it seems that radeon is not loaded as kernel module
• 1647[19:52:53] <ratrace> wait a minute. pci passthrough should mean that dom0 doesn't even see it
• 1648[19:52:55] <SerajewelKS> is there a command-line tool like "time" but that will measure network I/O of the child process?
• 1649[19:53:08] <KREYREEN> ratrace, xorg.0.log replaced-url
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• 1651[19:53:23] <ratrace> it's detached from dom0 and ..... well... that's the case with KVM at least, I'll admit that xen is a bit alien to me but common senes suggests that pci passthrough would detach it from the dom0 kernel as well
• 1652[19:53:43] <g0zzy> What's the correct way to make a desktop shortcut from the command line? (I'm doing it remotely over ssh). Using a symlink is a possible approach but shouldn't it really be a .desktop file?
• 1653[19:53:46] <KREYREEN> ratrace, dom0 seems to list it, but doesn't seem to be able to use it
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• 1655[19:54:00] <KREYREEN> sec
• 1656[19:54:05] <ratrace> under KVM at least, the host hypervisor doesn't see the lane. it's assigned to vfio kernel module and the rest of the kernel and userland can't interact with it
• 1657[19:54:13] <KREYREEN> [kreyren@dom0 ~]$ DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
• 1658[19:54:13] <KREYREEN> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000 (SNB GT2)
• 1659[19:54:31] <KREYREEN> ratrace, this is PV (Para-virtualization)
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• 1661[19:54:56] <ratrace> can you use a pastebin that doesn't want to run assembler codez in my webz? I gots webasm disabled at the hardware level.....
• 1662[19:55:12] <ratrace> KREYREEN: pv only means the guest kernel is aware of virt and uses special drivers
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• 1664[19:56:03] <ratrace> (and really, a pastebin that wants to use webasm to display text to you ........ lemme ban that at the DNS level, one sec...)
• 1665[19:56:06] <KREYREEN> ratrace, that's running to decrypt the paste though as it's e2e encrypted and with tor x.x -- raw on dpaste replaced-url
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• 1667[19:56:48] <greycat> this is why I only ever use curl or lynx to open people's unsolicited crap
• 1668[19:57:01] <SerajewelKS> e2e encryption there is easily broken though. it's smoke and mirrors.
• 1669[19:57:06] <KREYREEN> user@personal:~$ sudo modprobe radeon
• 1670[19:57:07] <KREYREEN> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'radeon': Invalid argument
• 1671[19:57:13] <ratrace> KREYREEN: okay no EE entries as far as xorg is concerned. what about teh kernel? dmesg | grep -P "(ati|amd|something somethign related)" ?
• 1672[19:57:14] <KREYREEN> so i guess i don't have radeon installed in debian?
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• 1674[19:57:30] <ratrace> iirc it's "amdgpu" these days
• 1675[19:57:38] <towo`> no, is not
• 1676[19:57:40] <KREYREEN> ratrace, afaik radeon is for this GPU
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• 1678[19:57:48] <ratrace> towo`: okay, I stand corrected
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• 1680[19:57:57] <towo`> both modules are in kernel, radeon and amdgpu
• 1681[19:57:57] <KREYREEN> user@personal:~$ sudo dmesg | grep "radeon"
• 1682[19:57:58] <KREYREEN> [ 12.632958] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
• 1683[19:57:58] <KREYREEN> [ 12.633007] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
• 1684[19:57:58] <KREYREEN> [ 4487.790178] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
• 1685[19:57:58] <KREYREEN> [ 4487.790223] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
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• 1688[19:58:14] <ratrace> what a...... srsly man, you're NOT first time on IRC
• 1689[19:58:16] * KREYREEN though it was 3 lines x.x
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• 1691[19:58:54] <KREYREEN> it's using kernel from QubesOS atm checking if it has radeon..
• 1692[19:59:58] <ratrace> KREYREEN: do you have nomodeset or something related to thta, in your kernel command line?
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• 1694[20:00:17] <KREYREEN> [root@dom0 kreyren]# find "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)" -type f -name '*.ko' | grep radeon
• 1695[20:00:22] <KREYREEN> /lib/modules/5.4.78-1.qubes.x86_64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko
• 1696[20:00:36] <ratrace> dom0 is irrelevant here if you pci passthru
• 1697[20:00:40] <jelly> ratrace: you got to admin that pastebin is kind of neat, > PrivateBin is a minimalist, open source online pastebin where the server has zero knowledge of pasted data. Data is encrypted/decrypted in the browser using 256 bits AES.
• 1698[20:01:03] <KREYREEN> ratrace, it's para-virtualization so i think it's using the same linux kernel as dom0 ?
• 1699[20:01:06] <ratrace> jelly: regular javascripts can AES. no need to webASM. I've got webasm and webgl banned in my fox
• 1700[20:01:08] <greycat> I do not have to admi[nt] that.
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• 1702[20:01:28] <ratrace> KREYREEN: no, again, paravirt only means the guest (domU) kernel is aware of virt and uses special drivers
• 1703[20:01:29] <KREYREEN> user@personal:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
• 1704[20:01:29] <KREYREEN> root=/dev/mapper/dmroot ro nomodeset console=hvc0 rd_NO_PLYMOUTH rd.plymouth.enable=0 plymouth.enable=0 xen_scrub_pages=0 nopat iommu=soft swiotlb=8192 apparmor=1 security=apparmor
• 1705[20:01:32] <KREYREEN> nomodeset used
• 1706[20:01:37] <KREYREEN> ratrace, noted
• 1707[20:01:41] <jelly> pfff, too much admining today
• 1708[20:02:04] <ratrace> KREYREEN: try without nomodeset
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• 1711[20:02:21] <KREYREEN> btw about the paste it's fully libre and hosted by libre hosting ecologically (snopyta.org) so you can submit MR :p
• 1712[20:02:24] <KREYREEN> ratrace, trying
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• 1715[20:04:00] * KREYREEN doesn't know how to remove the nomodeset so he's asking in #qubesOS
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• 1720[20:05:29] <KREYREEN> edit: #qubes x.x
• 1721[20:05:37] <ratrace> KREYREEN: if your dom0 is forcing an alien kernel into domU, then this might not be debian after all. their custom domU kernel is enough to make that a derivative distro
• 1722[20:05:47] <jonathanschlink_> Hello Which of the following should i download?
• 1723[20:06:03] <KREYREEN> ratrace, i think it's running as a namespace-like by using the kernel provided with xen on this config tbh
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• 1725[20:06:09] <jonathanschlink_> replaced-url
• 1726[20:06:10] <ratrace> KREYREEN: eg pvgrub loading of vmlinuz that ousside of /dev/mapper/dmroot
• 1727[20:06:17] <KREYREEN> as qubes returns kernel opts: nopat
• 1728[20:06:21] <jonathanschlink_> i just want command line with Emacs
• 1729[20:06:23] <KREYREEN> but using "current" kernel
• 1730[20:06:39] <greycat> jonathanschlink_: if you're going to install on a laptop, or anything else with wireless, use one of the unofficial non-free firmware images.
• 1731[20:06:42] <greycat> !firmware images
• 1732[20:06:43] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
• 1733[20:07:11] <jelly> jonathanschlink_: if you have a wired connection to internet, get the netinst image
• 1734[20:07:36] <jonathanschlink_> thanks greycat and jelly i want to run in virtual box.
• 1735[20:08:24] <jonathanschlink_> and on Lenovo Laptop windows 7
• 1736[20:08:27] <ratrace> KREYREEN: hypervisors can act as "grub" in that they load up vmlinuz directly and execute it. in that, your dom0 can force a kernel that's not regular debian kernel. but it's still a kernel running in domU, thus proper virt, not a (container-like) namespace
• 1737[20:08:53] <KREYREEN> ratrace, kernel in domU has different result in /proc/cmdline so i think it's not the same
• 1738[20:08:58] <jelly> jonathanschlink_: you may use the normal netinst then
• 1739[20:09:08] <KREYREEN> aldo the kernel names match
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• 1741[20:09:13] <ratrace> KREYREEN: then what was the cmdline you posted earlier?
• 1742[20:09:18] <KREYREEN> so possibly just qubes parsing cmdline somehow
• 1743[20:09:26] <KREYREEN> ratrace, that was cmdline from debian Qube
• 1744[20:09:34] <ratrace> taken how?
• 1745[20:09:42] <KREYREEN> i don't know where it is setting though as grub.cfg is not setting this
• 1746[20:09:51] <KREYREEN> ratrace, cat /proc/cmdline in debian qube terminal
• 1747[20:10:24] <ratrace> but you just said the "kernel in domU", which would be the kernel in the guest, is not the same
• 1748[20:10:56] <KREYREEN> ratrace, they are not the same based on /proc/cmdline thinking that the kernel is compiled with these options?
• 1749[20:11:10] <ratrace> you know what, nvm.... doesn't matter. that's becoming way offtopic. point is, see that your domU kernel is not run with nomodeset. the kernel log entries you showed earlier are complaining there's no modesetting/UMS
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• 1752[20:11:55] <KREYREEN> true waiting for #qubes to clarify where are these kernel cmdline flags coming from
• 1753[20:12:01] <KREYREEN> thanku for helping me though <3 ^-^
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• 1756[20:17:32] <jonathanschlink_> Sorry friends i got disconnected.
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• 1758[20:18:10] <KREYREEN> jonathanschlink_, no problem *pats*
• 1759[20:18:13] <spektrum> make sure it doesnt happen again!11!
• 1760[20:18:38] <jonathanschlink_> ha ha i will try my best spektrum
• 1761[20:18:46] <jonathanschlink_> thanks KREYREEN i needed that.
• 1762[20:18:52] <KREYREEN> ^-^
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• 1764[20:19:29] <spektrum> even though i like weechat-ng the configuration is a pain
• 1765[20:19:58] <jonathanschlink_> Friends which one should i use replaced-url
• 1766[20:20:14] <spektrum> any suggestions for a more lightweigt client without a config workflow straight from hell?
• 1767[20:20:16] <jonathanschlink_> i want to run command line and emacs in my Virtual Box
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• 1769[20:20:37] <spektrum> with or without gui?
• 1770[20:20:46] <jonathanschlink_> no gui
• 1771[20:20:49] <spektrum> netinstall
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• 1773[20:21:01] <spektrum> way smaller image
• 1774[20:21:02] <n4dir> irssi? spektrum
• 1775[20:21:13] * KREYREEN would make 5 line script to create FSH3.0 with kernel compiled through `make localmodconfig` and compiling emacs from source or using emacs as a kernel lisp-machine-style
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• 1778[20:21:51] * KREYREEN runs away instead though
• 1779[20:21:52] <jhutchins> jonathanschlink_: Probably replaced-url
• 1780[20:21:54] <jonathanschlink_> spektrum: which one would that be here replaced-url
• 1781[20:22:04] <spektrum> n4dir nice! thx
• 1782[20:22:13] <jhutchins> jonathanschlink_: Whether to install a GUI is a choice made during the install.
• 1783[20:22:24] <ratrace> init=/usr/bin/emacs :)
• 1784[20:22:39] <ratrace> I always said it was a nice OS, just lacking a good editor.
• 1785[20:24:06] <jonathanschlink_> okay jhutchins So i can run debian-10.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso and choose to NOT INSTALL GUI ?
• 1786[20:24:12] <spektrum> jonathanschlink_: replaced-url
• 1787[20:24:17] <n4dir> jonathanschlink_: yes
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• 1789[20:24:32] <spektrum> theres the netinst version nonfree
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• 1791[20:24:42] <n4dir> as far i can tell the debian-installer is the same on any image provided.
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• 1793[20:24:59] <jhutchins> jonathanschlink_: There are a number of choices, especially in expert mode.
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• 1795[20:25:23] <jonathanschlink_> okay thanks jhutchins i just want minimal install
• 1796[20:25:28] <jonathanschlink_> downloading netinst
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• 1802[20:28:20] <alex11> i understand the importance of reading release notes, but most stable -> new stable updates can basically be reduced to apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade right?
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• 1804[20:28:40] <greycat> How much do you value your system?
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• 1806[20:28:53] <spektrum> greycat: +1
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• 1809[20:28:58] <greycat> If the answer is "not very highly", then sure, you can roll the dice and try it without reading the notes.
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• 1811[20:29:26] <spektrum> yep, been there, done that. regretted it.
• 1812[20:29:31] <jhutchins> greycat: Last I looked, buster didn't have any errata.
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• 1814[20:29:50] <jhutchins> spektrum: Always a good idea to make a backup.
• 1815[20:29:56] <greycat> you mean other than "you should change the name of your network interface or else it might change for you"?
• 1816[20:30:07] <n4dir> i don't recall i ever read any release notes. Lucky me
• 1817[20:30:30] <corey1> I long have thought that release notes are a *bit* less important for normal users in the Debuntu world than in the Arch/Manjaro or other rolling release world, esp. in Debian Stable. But it is good to know that they are still important in Debian Stable. Presumably, that is more for production/servers, right...? But anyway, always the best way.
• 1818[20:30:54] <greycat> it's not necessarily "errata", for which we have the wiki page (and yes, there are some caveats on the wiki page for buster). the release notes cover things the DDs *know* might be an issue.
• 1819[20:31:17] <spektrum> even though they *might* be the same as for the last stable releases, a few seconds of your time *might* save you hours.
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• 1821[20:31:58] <ratrace> there can be breaking changes. php upgrade for example. php8 is yet to cause another breaking change, probably after bullseye, for example.
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• 1824[20:32:24] <ratrace> even point upgrades mid release can cause important changes, like it did for ZFS 10.3 I think?
• 1825[20:32:40] <jhutchins> greycat: I understand that they're different. When I looked at what I thought was the buster errata page I didn't see any entries for some reason.
• 1826[20:32:49] <spektrum> *looks at systemd*
• 1827[20:33:02] <ratrace> ah yes, systemd was a big one.
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• 1829[20:33:21] <greycat> apache 2.4 was another big one, if you use apache
• 1830[20:33:27] <jhutchins> I would expect release notes to include things like switching the default MTA or which MySQL tree was being used.
• 1831[20:33:32] <ratrace> postgres updates are another... apache too. so yea.... pretty much important things happen.
• 1832[20:33:41] <spektrum> oh yes, apache 2.2 => 2.4 was a hazzle
• 1833[20:33:59] <greycat> the postgresql upgrade procedure has been the same as long as I've been using it, just with different version numbers plugged in
• 1834[20:34:21] <ratrace> greycat: the 9.x.y-> 10.y change was pretty significant
• 1835[20:34:22] <jhutchins> I expect errata to be more like "this may break <foo>".
• 1836[20:34:45] <greycat> jhutchins: I put that kind of thing on the wiki as I discover them
• 1837[20:34:47] <spektrum> oh and mysql 8 is coming up
• 1838[20:35:24] <jhutchins> Not looking forward to the PHP 5 -> 7.
• 1839[20:35:29] <t3st3r> ZFS isnt mainline, so doomed to be poorly integrated tech. Same for any out of tree modules. You can't foresee all problems, but out of tree things are "expected" to fail you eventually.
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• 1841[20:35:44] <greycat> php 5 to 7 wasn't bad, but then again I barely use it
• 1842[20:35:49] <spektrum> jhutchins: but worth it
• 1843[20:35:54] <ratrace> 7 to 8 is gonna cause headaches too
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• 1845[20:36:21] <jelly> jhutchins: 5.6 to 7 is not problematic, many apps supported both at that point
• 1846[20:36:24] <ratrace> many warnings now becoming errors, some deprecated things now throwing errors, etc... it's gonna be biggie.
• 1847[20:36:26] <jhutchins> spektrum: I run one small wordpress blog, and WP is complaining about 5.
• 1848[20:36:48] <spektrum> jhutchins: Oh, WP became smart?
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• 1850[20:36:52] <spektrum> ;-)
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• 1852[20:36:57] <jelly> just switch over your fpm to 7.x and see if it works
• 1853[20:37:06] <jhutchins> spektrum: Depends on who's running it.
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• 1855[20:37:10] <spektrum> haha
• 1856[20:37:41] <jelly> and if you're using any php build other than fpm, switch to fpm first :-)
• 1857[20:37:48] <spektrum> fpm? are people still using fpm?
• 1858[20:38:04] <jhutchins> I just dread being in a position where I have to put in significant time reconfiguring, and suddenly have a scheduling conflict.
• 1859[20:38:08] <ratrace> spektrum: and what else would you use?
• 1860[20:38:10] <jelly> spektrum: people are still using php, so yes
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• 1862[20:38:19] <ratrace> are you confusing fpm with mod_php?
• 1863[20:38:23] <jelly> that's the least worst way to run php
• 1864[20:38:42] <spektrum> libapache2-mod-php and mpm_prefork?
• 1865[20:38:56] <jelly> ,i php-fpm
• 1866[20:38:56] <ratrace> that's the _ancient_ way from decades ago, long obsoleted
• 1867[20:38:58] <judd> Package php-fpm (php, optional) in buster/amd64: server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary) (default). Version: 2:7.3+69; Size: 5.9k; Installed: 12k
• 1868[20:39:03] <jelly> ^
• 1869[20:39:09] <jhutchins> ratrace: I understand that fpm would be a better choice, but this is a system that's been dragged through several versions of Debian.
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• 1871[20:39:28] <HelloShitty> Hello. I'm trying to install Debian 10 in uefi mode. But after installing, uefi can't see my ssd. Can I use any image of Debian or it needs to be a specific one? I already set uefi mode in my bios, but still no good
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• 1873[20:39:38] <jelly> jhutchins: it's really not that hard to switch from mod_php or suphp or whatever to fpm
• 1874[20:39:46] <ratrace> jhutchins: sure, sure, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. but consider staving off upgrade, dunno when php8 will land (it just got released), whether bullseye or next-next
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• 1878[20:40:05] <greycat> !bookworm
• 1879[20:40:05] <dpkg> The release following Debian 11 "Bullseye" is codenamed "Bookworm" and will be Debian 12. replaced-url
• 1880[20:40:19] <ratrace> oh bookworm, nice
• 1881[20:40:30] <greycat> because having 3 "b" releases in a row won't confuse anyone
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• 1885[20:40:50] <ratrace> greycat: and all three phnetically "boo"
• 1886[20:40:59] <ratrace> *phonetically
• 1887[20:41:11] <greycat> slightly different vowels, but yeah, pretty close
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• 1889[20:41:58] <spektrum> still waiting for Debian Karen
• 1890[20:42:06] <corey1> Running low on recognizable Toy Story character names. Soon we are going to start seeing individual toy soldiers :)
• 1891[20:42:21] <ratrace> spektrum: isn't that LMDE ? :)))
• 1892[20:42:35] <corey1> "Debian 19: Infantry Man #3, the one who says "Yes, sir.""
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• 1894[20:42:58] <spektrum> alias sudo='please' lol
• 1895[20:43:00] <roycroft> none of this confuses me at all because i could never keep track of the release code names - i've always referred to them by number
• 1896[20:43:09] <greycat> that alias sounds backwards
• 1897[20:43:14] <roycroft> it's the same thing with mac os - i gave up on the code names back in the cat days
• 1898[20:43:20] <spektrum> damn right
• 1899[20:43:54] <roycroft> i keep track of what the current version's code name is
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• 1901[20:44:05] <roycroft> i don't bother trying to remember historical or future names
• 1902[20:44:29] <spektrum> ratrace: yep Ulyana might be Karens Middlename.
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• 1906[20:45:42] <onyx__> anyone here good with messing with printers? I'm dealing with old HP printers who go to sleep after a while and when that happens that either the driver (foo2zjs) or CUPS basically block all /dev/lp* devices until it wakes
• 1907[20:46:25] <SerajewelKS> corey1: Debian 20: That kid who came to Andy's birthday party and gave him a telescope
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• 1909[20:46:49] <onyx__> can't find a good way of waking it anywhere, but I just read some stuff about ippeveprinter that should potentially allow me to use IPP for that printer? no idea whether it would help nor how to use it though...
• 1910[20:46:58] <roycroft> onyx__: i have a konica/minolta printer that does that
• 1911[20:47:18] <roycroft> with mac os it's fine, but with the cups driver on linux it won't talk to the printer when the printer is asleep
• 1912[20:47:40] <roycroft> oddly, the printer has wake on lan capability, and when i ping it from the linux machine it wakes up and works fine
• 1913[20:47:52] <roycroft> i don't know why the cups driver trying to talk to it doesn't wake it up
• 1914[20:48:06] <roycroft> but my workaround is to ping it when cups can't find it
• 1915[20:48:23] <roycroft> whether that translates to hp printers i have no idea
• 1916[20:48:38] <onyx__> roycroft: I wouldn't even mind that much, but the same machine is also connected to a thermal POS printer (which I write to directly) but then that stops working because CUPS hogs both lp devices
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• 1918[20:49:10] <onyx__> when you say ping, are we talking network printer? because I'm stuck with USB here, pretty sure at least
• 1919[20:49:15] <roycroft> maybe a cron job to ping the printer every minute?
• 1920[20:49:16] <phogg> roycroft: I don't know for sure, but if cups were trying to discover the printer by broadcast before using it then it wouldn't find one in standby.
• 1921[20:49:18] <roycroft> oh
• 1922[20:49:26] <onyx__> didn't find anything in lpadmin to ask for status or something...
• 1923[20:49:30] <roycroft> i'd have no idea about that
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• 1925[20:49:50] <roycroft> the konica is a large printer/scanner machine
• 1926[20:50:05] <roycroft> it is connected to the network via ethernet
• 1927[20:50:13] <onyx__> assumed so, they don't really do small printers much AFAIK
• 1928[20:50:13] <roycroft> i'm pretty sure it doesn't have a usb port
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• 1930[20:50:51] <roycroft> i can't afford small inkjet printers and the like
• 1931[20:50:58] <roycroft> consumables are far too expensive
• 1932[20:51:05] <onyx__> USB only according to HP
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• 1934[20:51:29] <onyx__> this is at a customer's location far, far away so I can't really check myself, so let's trust the product page :P
• 1935[20:51:33] <jhutchins> Doesn't cups have the ability to pause/unpause a printer? That might wake it up.
• 1936[20:53:02] <onyx__> hm, apparently there's a cupsenable command that *might* do it
• 1937[20:53:18] <greycat> is it disabled?
• 1938[20:53:27] <onyx__> I'll have to arrange a test with the client I guess, have them wait for it to sleep and then try
• 1939[20:53:40] <onyx__> well, seems like the command name is a bit deceiving
• 1940[20:53:49] <onyx__> cupsdisable, cupsenable - stop/start printers and classes
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• 1942[20:54:05] <onyx__> so now the question is, what do they mean by "start"
• 1943[20:54:08] <greycat> It's based on the System V printer model, where the commands were "enable" and "disable". Literally those. Which conflicts with other things.
• 1944[20:54:34] <greycat> You can think of it as working just like systemd, where units can be disabled or enabled.
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• 1946[20:55:06] <onyx__> yeah, fair enough... no idea if just trying to cycle it would send any commands to the printer though, and it might not even help
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• 1949[20:55:24] <onyx__> IIRC if it goes to sleep it doesn't print either if you send it a job
• 1950[20:55:32] <greycat> use "lpstat -t" to see the status
• 1951[20:55:37] <onyx__> frelling printers
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• 1953[20:56:01] <greycat> if the printer just goes nonresponsive and the host isn't aware of it, then enable/disable might have no effect
• 1954[20:56:14] <greycat> but it's worth checking "lpstat -t" in any case
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• 1956[20:56:19] <Onyx47> yeah, so I guess I'll have to prod at it and hope something works
• 1957[20:56:22] <asterismo_m> hi
• 1958[20:56:48] <asterismo_m> is there any desktop enviroment that it is only framebuffer?
• 1959[20:56:51] <Onyx47> thanks for the pointers anyway, I'll try to get the client to set something up for the test tomorrow
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• 1962[20:57:33] <asterismo_m> some desktop equivalent on the framebuffer arena
• 1963[20:57:56] <jhutchins> Let me guess, this is a POS receipt printer, right?
• 1964[20:58:09] <Onyx47> do you want a DE or just a framebuffer to fake one asterismo_m
• 1965[20:58:14] <Onyx47> jhutchins: yup
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• 1967[20:58:53] <jhutchins> So what do they do when it quits, reboot?
• 1968[20:59:15] <Onyx47> asterismo_m: if you just want to run something that requires X without actually having an X server, see xephyr
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• 1970[20:59:29] <asterismo_m> i would like to see how much i can replace LXDE on the framebuffer... what apps would run and what not
• 1971[20:59:37] <asterismo_m> do some multitasking
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• 1973[20:59:52] <jhutchins> asterismo_m: framebuffer graphics are VERY low performance.
• 1974[21:00:04] <Onyx47> jhutchins: they just report that the receipt printer "doesn't work", I do have recovery code for such cases in my software, so if they wake the HP printer it starts working again
• 1975[21:00:20] <asterismo_m> netsurf web browser runs on framebuffer i think
• 1976[21:00:57] <Onyx47> also, it works intermittently, seems like the printing devices get checked in cycles, so if you hit a window where CUPS releases them it works fine
• 1977[21:01:09] <asterismo_m> something like tmux to handle system tray?
• 1978[21:01:20] <jhutchins> Onyx47: Ah, good, I can see some potentially serious problems with that.
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• 1980[21:02:32] <aguitel> there is probability of ransomware attack on linux ?
• 1981[21:02:52] <jhutchins> It seems cups is having issues these days, possibly due to an attmpt to have no-touch configuration.
• 1982[21:03:25] <jhutchins> aguitel: Anything's possible. I haven't heard of any current exploits.
• 1983[21:03:25] <asterismo_m> can i launch any app on the framebuffer?
• 1984[21:03:55] <aguitel> jhutchins: ok
• 1985[21:04:13] <jhutchins> asterismo_m: I think a lot of GUI apps are going to check for X. That's why some don't work with Wayland.
• 1986[21:04:14] <aguitel> jhutchins: any tips to avoid ?
• 1987[21:04:27] <jhutchins> asterismo_m: What's the motivation for going fb only?
• 1988[21:04:45] <asterismo_m> experiment
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• 1990[21:05:07] <jmcnaught> Wayland has XWayland for X programs, it's only X programs that need to run as root like synaptic that Wayland cannot run in buster.
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• 1994[21:05:46] <Onyx47> actually... there's an idea... it's hacky as all hell, but if I disable the printer in CUPS when it's not needed, it might leave the resources alone? they don't print on the HP much, I *could* add in tea4cups or something with a prehook (if I understood how tea4cups works correctly) and just disable it in posthook?
• 1995[21:06:29] <Onyx47> and if it doesn't print, well, just wake the darned thing up first, it's on their desk anyway AFAIK
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• 2002[21:12:00] <oiaohm> jmcnaught: there is horrible way using waypipe that stuff like synaptic could be got to work but that would also require waypipe to be a debian package.
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• 2004[21:12:22] <oiaohm> Basically run a Xwayland server as root and pipe it back to the normal user.
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• 2032[21:31:42] <dahlya> Hi, I was expecting rxvt-unicode to ship with perl extensions in /usr/lib/urxvt/perl but I can't find them. Is there an additional package i should install (mainly looking to use default and matcher extensions)
• 2033[21:32:51] <dahlya> (using buster)
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• 2036[21:34:44] <ratrace> dahlya: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/urxvt/perl
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• 2039[21:34:59] <ratrace> that said, it's a poor selection. I added mine manually
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• 2041[21:39:27] <dahlya> great! thank you so much. what do you mean by 'added'? You copied the files somewhere else?
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• 2046[21:43:07] <ratrace> dahlya: yes from github
• 2047[21:44:00] <ratrace> for example I like the url-select plugin where I can use vim-like bindings to select URLs and launch them directly into fox privacy mode
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• 2053[21:48:17] <dahlya> ok, yes I also added some to my .urxvt/ext/ folder, these worked ok. I pointed urxvt*perl-lib to the correct path and matcher finally works! Thanks
• 2054[21:49:03] <ratrace> !next
• 2055[21:49:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2142[22:46:24] <drl> Has anyone successfully installed the driver for Canon MF733Cdw printer on Debian Buster?
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• 2144[22:47:15] <sney> print drivers can be annoying but if canon distributes a PPD for that model it should be possible to make it work.
• 2145[22:47:25] <sney> what have you tried so far and what are the results?
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• 2147[22:48:48] <drl> This is what I've tried: replaced-url
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• 2149[22:49:37] <drl> Many unmet dependencies.
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• 2151[22:49:56] <sney> !paste
• 2152[22:49:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2156[22:51:33] <sney> drl: please share dpkg's output, if that wasn't clear.
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• 2165[22:59:24] <drl> sney, dpkg:error: cannot access archive 'cnrdrivecups-ufr2-us-5-6-0-2_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
• 2166[23:00:08] <sney> that's not a missing dependencies error.
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• 2170[23:00:58] <sney> and please use replaced-url
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• 2183[23:12:34] <drl> sney, I may have found the problem. I'll get back with you ASAP, but it may take awhile.
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• 2215[23:40:55] <KREYREN> ratrace, i've removed nomodeset and the GPU is still not used >.>
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• 2221[23:46:22] <KREYREEEN> radeon loaded now though
• 2222[23:47:00] <greycat> are you FUCKING KIDDING ME
• 2223[23:47:08] <KREYREEEN> greycat, whaddya did
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• 2230[23:51:36] <dvs> still seeking help for his frankendebian?
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• 2232[23:52:23] <dnull> >yes
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• 2234[23:52:32] <greycat> I don't even care what he wanted, only that he keeps changing nickname to dodge my /ignores. And he was notably offtopic earlier.
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