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• 73[01:38:54] <dob1> well I setup the ip in /etc/network/interfaces (and it is in set when I do ip a) I setup the gateway (I see it in ip route as default) but I can't ping it
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• 75[01:39:26] <dob1> but I should be aple to ping another host in my lan even if I don't setup the gateway, right?
• 76[01:39:50] <dob1> there is the route in ip route
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• 78[01:40:53] <Brigo> dob1, those steps do not grant connection.
• 79[01:41:30] <dob1> Brigo, what I miss?
• 80[01:42:15] <Brigo> dob1, s/grant/ensure
• 81[01:42:29] <Brigo> dob1, i don't know, what kind of interface is that?
• 82[01:42:34] <dob1> but on netstat -tuanwp I see there is an established udp connection to the gateway...
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• 84[01:43:02] <dob1> it's a virtual machine with debian installed, consider that if I get the ip from dhcp server all works
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• 86[01:43:21] <dob1> it's very strange
• 87[01:43:28] <Brigo> the problem is with static ip then.
• 88[01:43:41] <Brigo> check gateway and routes with dhcp
• 89[01:44:05] <Brigo> and try to much them with static ip.
• 90[01:45:06] <Brigo> dob1, what kind of container is that?
• 91[01:45:13] <dob1> Brigo, virtualbox
• 92[01:48:54] <dob1> Brigo, I resolved, there was a cron script at reboot that was creating problems
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• 94[01:49:47] <Brigo> dob1, nice.
• 95[01:50:46] <wigums> is there anyway to blacklist a package with apt or do i have to pin the package to prevent it from being installed anytime i do apt upgrade?
• 96[01:51:14] <sorcerer> yes wigums
• 97[01:51:19] <sorcerer> well you apt-hold it
• 98[01:51:32] <sorcerer> which will prevent apt-get from updating that file
• 99[01:51:51] <sorcerer> err that package
• 100[01:51:54] <wigums> yea but i dont use apt-get i use apt
• 101[01:51:58] <sorcerer> well
• 102[01:52:00] <sorcerer> its the same thing
• 103[01:52:08] <sorcerer> just different alias's rly
• 104[01:52:19] <wigums> there doesnt appear to be any such function in apt that i can find
• 105[01:52:34] <sney> specifically it is 'apt-mark hold packagename'
• 106[01:52:39] <wigums> naw. apt is smarter than apt-get
• 107[01:52:39] <sorcerer> replaced-url
• 108[01:52:43] <sney> or aptitude hold
• 109[01:52:55] <wigums> yea i dont run aptitude either i use apt
• 110[01:53:12] <sney> congratulations, good thing they all obey each others' settings
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• 250[04:43:58] <sirwilhelm> what browser is best with buster my firefox tab crashes when trying to listen to liveatc
• 251[04:46:05] <n4dir> in general you can choose between chromium and firefox, and thats about it
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• 253[04:46:31] <mason> !sns
• 254[04:46:31] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 257[04:47:57] <sirwilhelm> thanks n4dir so how do i keep tabs from crashing
• 258[04:48:01] <quadrathoch2> n4dir eh, I wouldn't recommend chromium right now :/ way too chessy right now
• 259[04:48:15] <quadrathoch2> cheesy (security holes)
• 260[04:48:20] <n4dir> me neither, but there simply aren't other options, that was my point
• 261[04:48:52] <quadrathoch2> theoretically, chrome
• 262[04:48:55] <quadrathoch2> or edge
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• 264[04:50:00] <acheam> QuteBrowser, midori, falkon, brave. There are quite a few out there, but some are a pain to use, and most are just re-skinned chromium
• 265[04:50:20] <sirwilhelm> i want to stay with firefox so how do i not have tabs crash
• 266[04:50:35] <acheam> do you have any logs or debug info?
• 267[04:50:56] <n4dir> "some are a pain to use". hence ...
• 268[04:51:20] <sirwilhelm> acheam where would the logs be found in system
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• 271[04:54:01] <acheam> `journalctl /usr/bin/firefox` is where I would look
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• 274[04:54:52] <acheam> you might want to try in safe mode (disables your addons and some other stuff) to see if they could be the issue
• 275[04:55:17] <acheam> sirwilhelm: I don't use firefox that much anymore though
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• 278[04:57:45] <sirwilhelm> acheam: what do you use
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• 280[04:58:28] <acheam> sirwilhelm: QuteBrowser at the moment
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• 283[04:59:09] <n4dir> i mainly use falkon, but on other machines it crashed and other users reported the same. Same for midori
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• 285[04:59:42] <n4dir> in general i try to avoid the web.
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• 287[05:00:43] <jmcnaught> In buster only firefox-esr, chromium, and webkit2gtk based broswers get security support: replaced-url
• 288[05:03:52] <jmcnaught> sirwilhelm: you can run firefox from a terminal emulator to see if it outputs any errors there when tabs crash.
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• 290[05:05:24] <sirwilhelm> ok thanks all goodnight
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• 298[05:24:43] <alex11> is there decent support for video game console emulators in debian?
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• 308[05:34:30] <quadrathoch2> Depends on the console imho alex11
• 309[05:35:28] <alex11> i've tried using retroarch and it's just like "how the hell does this work"
• 310[05:35:35] <alex11> but maybe i just need to actually invest some time and learn
• 311[05:35:47] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 312[05:35:56] <jmcnaught> lots of them
• 313[05:36:15] <alex11> cheers
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• 374[07:36:19] <ham1986> video=efifb:eek:ff" <--what code does that belong to, any idea?
• 375[07:36:25] <ham1986> how to obtain that code.
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• 384[07:51:00] <ham1986> it does not look like a mac address.
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• 445[09:27:32] <RoyK> ham1986: looks like an exert of a SLAAC ipv6 address
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• 450[09:31:22] <nikolam> Hi, I am thinking of deploying Debian for NAS use, and I will deploy it in VM.
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• 453[09:32:34] <nikolam> I am just thinking if I would deploy Debian with Linux kernel or without it. I would prefer without Linux kernel, have Debian 9 available. (Smartos illumos/ lx zone)
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• 455[09:33:09] <nikolam> My question is what Debian releases are , like, "LTS" releases, like on Ubuntu, for the longer usage.
• 456[09:33:37] <nikolam> I suppose Debian 10 is not long term supported or is, and for how long Debian 9 will be supported.
• 457[09:34:37] <nikolam> best case scenario would be long term supported Debian on top of "lx" Soalris zone on illumos/Smartos , without actual Linux kernel to maintain.
• 458[09:34:38] <jmcnaught> nikolam: replaced-url
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• 460[09:35:06] <rathdome> hello guys here to ask a question I can't find the answer to
• 461[09:35:19] <rathdome> atleast not on google
• 462[09:35:55] <rathdome> does anyone know if google file stream supports windows powershell? more specifically the tree command?
• 463[09:37:13] <jmcnaught> rathdome: there is a ##windows channel where that would be on topic.
• 464[09:37:44] <rathdome> @jmcnaught thanks mate
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• 466[09:39:03] <RoyK> nikolam: how would you deploy debian without a kernel?
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• 468[09:39:27] <ratrace> was just about to ask that ... but then I recon they maybe mean the kernel is given from by the hypervisor?
• 469[09:39:46] <ratrace> (ie the kernel used is predetermined, not part of the rootfs)
• 470[09:40:06] <RoyK> illumos, hm, is that still present?
• 471[09:40:20] <ratrace> alive and kicking
• 472[09:41:12] <nikolam> RoyK, There' something called "LX zone" (Solaris zones) on top of illumos kernel (Opensolaris continuation), using one of illumos distros (Smartos used for Triton cloud from Joyent/Samsung , OmniosCE, etc). It just presents Linux ABI to the OS and it runs without Linux kernel.
• 473[09:41:49] <ratrace> that's a container tho, not a VM
• 474[09:41:50] <RoyK> I see - what's so bad about linux, then?
• 475[09:42:03] <nikolam> It also runs docker in lx zones , but that is out of scope for Debian talk.
• 476[09:42:09] <ratrace> solaris zones are THE original "containers" that linux is boasting these days.
• 477[09:42:24] * RoyK worke with opensolaris/openindiana some 10 years back for mass storage
• 478[09:42:37] <RoyK> *worked*
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• 483[09:44:19] <nikolam> I have Debian 9 available as Smartos image (imagadm) for lx zone on top of ZFS dataset, and there is Debian 10 but as ZFS volume, with KVM/Bhyve. I plan of using Debian 9 as lx zone to avoid using VM, yes.
• 484[09:44:38] <nikolam> And avoid running Linux kernel
• 485[09:45:45] <nikolam> Actually, let me try Debian 9 in lx, and I can report how it is going. I am thinking running openmediavault on it, with ZFS integrations.
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• 487[09:46:43] <ratrace> I really wonder if you can even start it. also, openmediavault != debian
• 488[09:46:48] <ratrace> !based on debian
• 489[09:46:48] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 490[09:49:09] <nikolam> ratrace, I think openmediavault can be also used as a sum of packages on top of Debian, as apps.
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• 492[09:50:04] <ratrace> I doubt that
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• 494[09:50:06] <nikolam> dpkg, I think it is Debian only without Linux kernel. Could be packages are recompiled, could be that they are orriginal. I will try it and see how and if it works.
• 495[09:50:07] <dpkg> nikolam: what are you talking about?
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• 497[09:50:19] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again. :)
• 498[09:50:24] <nikolam> ratrace, I found it on their Wiki, regular thing, just add repo.
• 499[09:50:45] <nikolam> dpkg, I don't need Linux kernel to run Debian. :P
• 500[09:50:45] <dpkg> nikolam: I wish you would RTFM.
• 501[09:50:51] <nikolam> dpkg, ok
• 502[09:50:51] <dpkg> nikolam: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 503[09:51:08] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again. :)
• 504[09:51:11] <nikolam> dpkg, let me try and I will report how big it is.
• 505[09:51:12] <dpkg> nikolam: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 506[09:51:16] <ratrace> you're talking to the bot... again. :)
• 507[09:51:30] <nikolam> ratrace, oh.
• 508[09:51:37] <ratrace> !botsnack
• 509[09:51:37] <dpkg> ratrace: thanks
• 510[09:52:00] <ratrace> nikolam: meanwhile, can you link the docs that say you can install OMV atop of regular debian? I can't find any info on that
• 511[09:52:13] <ratrace> sure there's a repo for OMV but you need to install it as a distro in its own first
• 512[09:52:35] <nikolam> ratrace, replaced-url
• 513[09:54:09] <ratrace> I see. though that seems to be using the netinst base to replace and bring in its own packages, thus making it a separate distro really, just based on debian.
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• 516[09:54:45] <ratrace> anyway, I wonder how that would work in a solaris zone with no linux kernel. OMV zfs implementation might conflict that
• 517[09:55:02] <ratrace> I mean I'm curious now.
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• 520[09:57:50] <nikolam> Debian 9 in Smartos lx image is around 140MB to download with 'imgadm'
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• 522[09:58:23] <nikolam> raytrace you are right, OMV is yet to see.
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• 581[11:17:27] <unixbsd> Hello, which unix/bsd filesystem can be read out of the box on debian, i.e. a5 freebsd, a6 opensbd, a7 nextstep, a8 darwin ufs, a9 netbsd, and bf Solaris?
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• 592[11:29:38] <nkuttler> unixbsd: those aren't filesystems but partition types?
• 593[11:33:11] <unixbsd> something like that that kernel/ufs with e.g. ufs.ko on linux.
• 594[11:36:02] <unixbsd> there are quite a lot: e.g. chfs efs ffs fss hfs lfs mfs nilfs.
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• 600[11:51:36] <ratrace> unixbsd: for all intents and purposes, none, except zfs to share with freebsd; there's some very experimental ufs support
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• 602[11:52:04] <unixbsd> On ARM, there is no ufs.ko for UFS. is that normal? but ufs.ko is there on amd64
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• 604[11:52:19] <ratrace> ufs support on linux is very, very experimental
• 605[11:52:23] <ratrace> (and I think readonly)
• 606[11:52:30] <unixbsd> is ffs2 better?
• 607[11:52:53] <unixbsd> or maybe zfs better read/write?
• 608[11:53:41] <ratrace> zfs on linux is THE openzfs reference implementation
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• 610[11:53:57] <unixbsd> ratrace: what do you mean?
• 611[11:54:18] <ratrace> literally what I said. ZFS implementation on Linux became THE reference OpenZFS implementation.
• 612[11:54:48] <unixbsd> you mean, that it works read/write fine on linux debian, i.e. this openzfs
• 613[11:54:51] <ratrace> thus, yes, if you can use ZFS to share data with FreeBSD, do so. that's the only fully supported fs, being that it's the reference implementation.
• 614[11:55:23] <unixbsd> sounds good to me. I need to transfert disks 8tb
• 615[11:55:59] <unixbsd> well, but zfs.ko is not in raspberry arm debian
• 616[11:57:05] <ratrace> zfs-dkms is supported on all architectures on Debian
• 617[11:57:19] <ratrace> if you're not using debian, that's something you should solve yourself, not here.
• 618[11:57:31] <unixbsd> I didnt find zfs-dkms.ko
• 619[11:57:46] <ratrace> that's a packate that builds a .ko, not a .ko itself
• 620[11:57:48] <ratrace> *package
• 621[11:57:55] <ratrace> ,v zfs-dkms
• 622[11:57:56] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u2; stretch-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.13-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.4-2~bpo10+1; buster-backports/contrib: 0.8.5-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 0.8.5-2; sid/contrib: 0.8.5-2
• 623[11:58:14] <unixbsd> apt-get install zfs-kms you mean ..?
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• 625[11:58:31] <ratrace> no I mean apt install zfs-dkms and apt install zfsutils-linux
• 626[11:59:12] <unixbsd> it is building...
• 627[11:59:39] <unixbsd> openzfs is as well on netbsd, sounds good news for all.
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• 629[12:02:09] <ratrace> unixbsd: just be careful about supported versions. if zfs on the bsd of your choice is newer, you might need the backported 0.8.x zfs on buster, as default is 0.7.x
• 630[12:02:47] <unixbsd> oh man, thank you very much!
• 631[12:02:57] <unixbsd> 8tb is long, this might same me time
• 632[12:03:15] <ratrace> are you using zfs send|receive to transfer data?
• 633[12:03:22] <unixbsd> maybe the best is to go for ext2fs/ext2 that is faster than ufs/ffs for making transfert.?
• 634[12:03:22] <ratrace> are you / will you be
• 635[12:03:34] <ratrace> !xy
• 636[12:03:34] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 637[12:04:30] <unixbsd> ah could be indeed.
• 638[12:04:59] <unixbsd> ah yeah ext2 has no 8tb support, max 2tb
• 639[12:05:19] <ratrace> how about you back up and start from the beginning, what is it _exactly_ you want to achieve
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• 641[12:06:22] <unixbsd> I have a A5 GPT disk UFS and I need to copy files from netbsd machine on the way and from Linux ext4. I need a fs that handle those machines. ah it is a usb disk portable WD extension.
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• 644[12:07:13] <ratrace> so you already have data on some filesystem? how did you imagine using ZFS or some other filesytem then?
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• 646[12:07:49] <unixbsd> zfs is on netbsd and freebsd, that would allow to move, if in case it runs on linux. Since ext2 is max 2tb. there arent much ways.
• 647[12:08:35] <ratrace> you just said UFS, you never mentioned ZFS in your supposedly "describe problem from the beginning" post. so, please, again start from the VERY beginning. whta filesystem you have on those disks, that you want to copy over data to somewhere else?
• 648[12:08:47] <unixbsd> the problem with ext is that files are up to 2TB.
• 649[12:08:51] <ratrace> stop.
• 650[12:09:13] <ratrace> again, what filesystem is on the "usb disk portable WD extension"?
• 651[12:09:26] <unixbsd> !xy
• 652[12:09:26] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 653[12:09:28] <ratrace> or is that the target drive?
• 654[12:09:47] <unixbsd> I need to stop and to read a little while. I am confused with limitations of each FSs.
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• 656[12:10:06] <ratrace> unixbsd: you need to explain the current state, without speculation of what if when and whether.
• 657[12:10:28] <unixbsd> ah, that will be transfert disk. for the moment, it is UFS A5 BSD. ... for the moment.
• 658[12:10:35] <ratrace> so, start by describing CURRENT, EXISTING STATE of your data. it's a disk (external, usb WD thing?), and there's a filesystem on it? which one?
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• 660[12:11:23] <unixbsd> yeah the transfert is done over usb portable disk (wd extension, cable, portable).
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• 662[12:12:03] <ratrace> okay, so you want to copy data from machine A (running netbsd?) to disk N, so that you can use disk N on machine B running Linux?
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• 665[12:14:44] <unixbsd> sort to say, a compatible FS for linux, freebsd and netbsd. Likely looking at the files, there is only ZFS that comes on the list of fs which modern file size support.
• 666[12:15:36] <ratrace> ZFS is the only thing, assuming netbsd supports it, I don't know if it does.
• 667[12:16:04] <ratrace> alternatively, you can set up nfs or smb based sharing between the machines
• 668[12:16:09] <unixbsd> the modules are those ... replaced-url
• 669[12:16:12] <unixbsd> I see zfs.
• 670[12:17:07] <ratrace> I don't know what that is. it's on you to find out of netbsd supports ZFS and to what extent.
• 671[12:17:12] <ratrace> *if
• 672[12:17:23] <unixbsd> yeah ... if indeed.
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• 685[12:36:39] <jim> hi. how would I set up a debian mirror (not push)?
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• 705[13:02:38] <L0aD1nG> hello
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• 708[13:03:08] <L0aD1nG> I face a problem with the sound on debian 10
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• 711[13:03:48] <L0aD1nG> i installed pulseaudio from backports, but this didnt solve the problem now how do i can install it back from stable?
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• 716[13:09:02] <BCMM> L0aD1nG: have you tried apt-get -t stable install pulseaudio?
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• 718[13:10:16] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i did it but putted "buster" instead of stable
• 719[13:10:23] <BCMM> what happened?
• 720[13:10:24] <L0aD1nG> let me redo
• 721[13:10:55] <L0aD1nG> it reinstalled from backports
• 722[13:11:17] <L0aD1nG> did : "apt-get -t buster --reinstall install pulseaudio"
• 723[13:12:57] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i get the same error that the requirements of pulseaudio will be install from stable but pulseaudio will be installed from bpo so this cant be done (says apt)...
• 724[13:13:13] <BCMM> not the other way around?
• 725[13:14:08] <L0aD1nG> what do you mean i ran the command you said and get this.. want me to pastebin it?
• 726[13:14:15] <BCMM> oh hang on, i think it should be apt-get install pulseaudio/stable
• 727[13:14:41] <BCMM> but you may need to also add whatever deps got pulled from backports to that
• 728[13:14:49] <L0aD1nG> cool it runs
• 729[13:15:23] <L0aD1nG> but now the question is will put this package prioritized on stable, i mean not upgraded from backports??
• 730[13:16:37] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: i did it now its fine
• 731[13:16:42] <BCMM> you mean, is it going to get automatically upgraded to backports next time you upgrade?
• 732[13:16:54] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: no to stable
• 733[13:17:11] <BCMM> i'm sorry, i don't understand teh question
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• 735[13:17:52] <L0aD1nG> now i installed pulseaudio from stable as you said, will it get upgraded from backports on upgrades or from stable?
• 736[13:18:10] <L0aD1nG> when i do apt-get upgrade
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• 739[13:20:02] <L0aD1nG> I guess from stable..
• 740[13:20:04] <L0aD1nG> nvm
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• 743[13:21:15] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: can you help me with the actuall problem that caused all this bpo etc?? I am facing a problem, when i logout pulseaudio turns off when i log back in. What should i do?
• 744[13:22:02] <L0aD1nG> if i run it manually it doesnt work properly also.
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• 750[13:35:24] <L0aD1nG> i found the manual solution
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• 753[13:38:57] <L0aD1nG> BCMM: thanks a lot for the help man!
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• 791[14:22:59] <blurkis> Im deeply sorry for disturbing. Im trying to install drivers for a usb-wifi (netgear a6150), and doing so Im told to install kernel-headers. The problem being that Im running recent bullseye, and apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) does not work, there is no such package. Any idéa? I know running bullseye might be my problem, but right now my life is quite hectic so I get to live with that
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• 793[14:23:02] <blurkis> decision right now..
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• 835[14:51:31] <quadrathoch2> !debian-next
• 836[14:51:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 852[15:06:42] <nulleip> hey, someone else have problems with rl_prep_terminal from readline 8.1?
• 853[15:06:56] <nulleip> it segfaults for me, but on 8.0 it doesnt
• 854[15:07:27] <nulleip> thats on debian unstable
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• 858[15:10:06] <quadrathoch2> !debian-next
• 859[15:10:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 872[15:23:40] <_Fremen_> hello everyone
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• 874[15:24:18] <_Fremen_> does anyone know why this program is not in debian repositories? Is it because of copyright or etc? replaced-url
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• 877[15:26:21] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: well, somebody needs to package it. if no developer uses it, it's not likely to get packaged
• 878[15:26:54] <_Fremen_> nkuttler, so it is because of developer laziness rather than legal troubles?
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• 880[15:28:01] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: calling people lazy because they don't need something you need sounds rather rude
• 881[15:28:19] <nkuttler> and i don't know why every debian developer doesn't package it
• 882[15:28:56] <nkuttler> _Fremen_: if you want to see it in debian you can become a dd yourself
• 883[15:29:19] <AimHere> _Fremen_, the reason it's not a Debian package is because you haven't done it yet
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• 886[15:31:02] <_Fremen_> nkuttler, I apologize if that was rude, that was not my intention. I assume to correct term would be "disinterest" in this case?
• 887[15:31:52] <_Fremen_> AimHere, unfortunately I am both busy and lazy for that :). But maybe in the future I could do something like this if I develop a software of my own
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• 891[15:38:27] <n4dir> the installation instructions seem pretty straight forward, so if you really have to use it, why not
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• 894[15:40:40] <_Fremen_> n4dir, I did not wanted to use something not in the official repos, thats it actually.
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• 896[15:41:23] <n4dir> yeah, that sure makes sense. Hence i added "if you really have to".
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• 899[15:42:30] <_Fremen_> n4dir, thanks for the suggestion then :)
• 900[15:42:38] <_Fremen_> thanks very much everyone, have a nice day
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• 941[16:18:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
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• 945[16:19:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am trying to find a email service I can use, that is not gmail, for sending emails on nextcloud, smtp, login plain ,
• 946[16:19:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i have had issues in the past with gmail and my phone email/number,
• 947[16:20:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> where would get alot of alerts from computers and it would shut off the emails from coming in,
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• 949[16:20:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> even now gmail refuses to receive emails with different headers then actual location.
• 950[16:20:26] <nkuttler> Eryn_1983_FL: in which country?
• 951[16:20:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> USA
• 952[16:20:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> all users there
• 953[16:20:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> i've had mailgun before and that even got blocked!
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• 955[16:21:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> and its my own devices too, not like im a company,
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• 957[16:25:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> any ideas?
• 958[16:25:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> should i just use my own dns domain and postfix to set it up??
• 959[16:26:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> and hope gmail and phone doesnt block me again?
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• 961[16:27:07] <GNU\colossus> email deliverability is a difficult topic, and #debian is not the best venue to discuss it. try email maybe. also, maybe take a look at ##replaced-url
• 962[16:28:09] <soman> Debian 9, Radeon R7 250, /usr/bin/vulkaninfo fives an error failed with VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED. How can I properly set up the vulkan and drivers? Additional info here => replaced-url
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• 966[16:35:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i have used mailgun in the past,
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• 968[16:35:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill see what #email can help with
• 969[16:36:31] <GNU\colossus> soman, I guess that is a lost cause on Debian 9, upgrade to 10.
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• 1060[18:25:16] <no_gravity> My calendar widget in the taskbar starts the week on Sunday. Is it possible to change it to Monday?
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• 1063[18:28:41] <EdePopede> funny thing, no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 1066[18:29:26] <no_gravity> EdePopede: Hmm... I am using Mate though.
• 1067[18:29:39] <EdePopede> here it starts on sunday and i'd like it to be on monday
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• 1069[18:29:55] <no_gravity> EdePopede: We could trade appartments.
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• 1071[18:30:02] <EdePopede> no_gravity, yep. i'd ask in the channel for your DE
• 1072[18:30:10] <EdePopede> heh. but i like it here!
• 1073[18:30:19] <no_gravity> Where are you based?
• 1074[18:30:28] <EdePopede> germany, so monday :)
• 1075[18:30:52] <no_gravity> What, I'm in Germany too.
• 1076[18:30:54] <EdePopede> i'm surprised btw that the bug report mentions monday for N-America
• 1077[18:30:59] <EdePopede> huh
• 1078[18:31:31] <EdePopede> ah, may be it is because i didn't localize too much (system still waiting to get replaced)
• 1079[18:31:46] <EdePopede> had it on monday in the past
• 1080[18:31:55] <no_gravity> I want Monday too.
• 1081[18:32:08] <format_c> it's a common error since sunday is really the first day of the week in the roman calendar and the date functions return the weekday in that order.
• 1082[18:32:09] <EdePopede> still would be nice to have cli options for these things
• 1083[18:33:12] <EdePopede> format_c: only then the term "weekend" makes no sense
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• 1085[18:33:48] <EdePopede> but then at least in German Wednesday denotes the middle of the week
• 1086[18:34:09] <format_c> I just said it's a common error.
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• 1094[18:38:31] <format_c> "This arrangement is similar to a week in the Bible in which the seven days are simply numbered with the first day being a Christian day of worship (aligned with Sunday) and the seventh day being a sabbath day (Saturday). " from Wikipedia
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• 1102[18:42:15] <EdePopede> sabbath, exactly. but it switched to sunday in christianity. still it's "jewish-christian tradition" to end on saturday. until the ISO recommended starting it on monday in 1975.
• 1103[18:43:07] <EdePopede> and with the octave going from sunday to sunday, starting at 0... people prefer 1.
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• 1106[18:45:18] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede no_gravity what does your LC_TIME say? normally I switch to en_GB
• 1107[18:45:38] <EdePopede> nada
• 1108[18:45:42] <format_c> Perl's localtime() function is the same: from `perldoc -f localtime':
• 1109[18:46:05] <format_c> $wday is the day of the week, with 0 indicating Sunday and 3 indicating Wednesday.
• 1110[18:46:11] <EdePopede> ah, from locale: LC_TIME="en_US.utf8"
• 1111[18:46:17] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: I have an LC_TIME? What is it? And how do I make it say something?
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• 1116[18:47:42] <EdePopede> in germany it's really odd. 1976 the ISO recommendation updated the corresponding standard from sunday to monday. the original had been from 1943.
• 1117[18:47:43] <quadrathoch2> normally, /etc/default/locale, there you can set different locales for different parts of the 'locale' so I have everything in en_US, except TIME, which is en_GB, while sitting in de_DE ;)
• 1118[18:48:29] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: There is a bunch of stuff in there. But no "LC_TIME".
• 1119[18:48:41] <no_gravity> LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8" :)
• 1120[18:49:29] <EdePopede> LANGUAGE=en_US:en, everything else is .utf8
• 1121[18:49:50] <quadrathoch2> no_gravity you would need to add it replaced-url
• 1122[18:51:04] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: I am a bit afraid what other stuff that might change ...
• 1123[18:51:14] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: Do I have to reboot afterwareds?
• 1124[18:51:29] <quadrathoch2> relog is enough
• 1125[18:51:38] <no_gravity> quadrathoch2: How do I perform a relog?
• 1126[18:52:07] <EdePopede> logout, login
• 1127[18:52:10] <quadrathoch2> logout and login again :)
• 1128[18:52:20] <no_gravity> Ok ...
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• 1130[18:53:26] <EdePopede> is there a reason why the wiki article uses de_DE.iso88591 as an example? i mean, what about utf8?
• 1131[18:54:12] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede the article is just old
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