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• 1[00:01:37] <sney> dpkg: karma jmcnaught
• 2[00:01:37] <dpkg> jmcnaught has karma of 1
• 3[00:01:41] <sney> jbox: ^
• 4[00:01:48] <sney> we don't really use it, though
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• 9[00:05:22] <sney> Brigo: #975420 thanks for pointing it out :)
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• 12[00:08:40] <Brigo> sney, i don't know what are you talking about.
• 13[00:09:12] <sney> usually the bot translates that into a bug report link, but I guess I'll have to do it manually. replaced-url
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• 15[00:10:41] <Brigo> sney, ah, ok, nice :)
• 16[00:11:12] <Brigo> didn't realize it was a bug number, and i should.
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• 19[00:12:34] <jbox> I don't mean I actually plan to implement a bot. I'm just using it as an example
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• 28[00:19:41] <velix> Is it still fine to use logrotate?
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• 30[00:20:00] <quadrathoch2> velix why wouldn't it be?
• 31[00:20:23] <velix> quadrathoch2: Because there are rsyslog, journald etc.
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• 34[00:21:05] <jbox> I've never used logrotate. I thought that was handled by systemd-journald, no?
• 35[00:21:38] <sney> afaik, most daemons rotate their own logs
• 36[00:21:52] <Brigo> jbox, you can still have other logs system running and logrotate could help then.
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• 38[00:22:22] <velix> I like journald, but I'm still in fear of this "blackbox".
• 39[00:22:36] <velix> A binary container... which you cannot parse easily
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• 44[00:23:58] <JerryS> sney I added buster-backports and tried loading firmware-iwlwifi from there. It came back that the package was already at its latest level.
• 45[00:24:11] <sney> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 46[00:24:12] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20200918-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20200918-1; sid/non-free: 20200918-1
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• 49[00:24:44] <sney> JerryS: you should be seeing that 2020 version, did you run apt update after editing sources.list?
• 50[00:26:03] <velix> JerryS: `apt install firmware-iwlwifi -t buster-backports`
• 51[00:26:34] <velix> JerryS: `apt install firmware-iwlwifi/buster-backports`
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• 53[00:28:15] <sney> either works
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• 55[00:28:30] <sney> those instructions are on the backports main page as well iirc
• 56[00:28:54] <velix> sney: Yeah, I just came in and didn't know if he did it that way ;)
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• 58[00:29:06] <velix> wanted to provide quick help
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• 66[00:33:23] <JerryS> sney Sorry - had a temporary internet probem here.
• 67[00:34:34] <JerryS> sney I forot that was part of non-free. I added that and got the new driver. Rebooting now.
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• 69[00:36:04] <JerryS> sney No change. lshhw -class network shows it as UNCLAIMED.
• 70[00:36:16] <sney> JerryS: is that with the 5.8 kernel as well?
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• 73[00:37:56] <JerryS> sney It's with buster (just recently downloaded for install). Still learning linux here - how do I tell the kernel? uname -r shows 4.19.0.12-amd64. Is that right?
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• 75[00:38:30] <sney> JerryS: buster-backports has kernels too. that output is right for the default buster kernel. try 'apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64'
• 76[00:39:03] <jbox> why do I see so many stackoverflow answers and tutorials recommending the user of apt-get instead of apt? I thought apt-get served as a helper or redundancy/backup
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• 78[00:39:32] <sney> jbox: history. the standalone 'apt' tool has only been around for ~2 debian stable releases
• 79[00:39:55] <JerryS> sney OK, give me a few minutes. It's installing now.
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• 82[00:40:20] <jbox> sney: oh, TIL, thank you :)
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• 85[00:40:51] <sney> (also, stackoverflow is full of cargo cult crap, but you probably knew that already)
• 86[00:41:09] <JerryS> jbox I've had the same problem (old news) when searching for answers. It gets confusing, doesn't it?
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• 94[00:47:13] <JerryS> sney Sorry again - flaky cat-5 cable here.
• 95[00:47:16] <JerryS> sney Looks like that does it! It's recognized now. Thanks for the help. Now I just have to set up the wifi password and I should be off to the races.
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• 98[00:48:05] <sney> right on. glad you got it working.
• 99[00:48:51] <JerryS> sney So am I! Thanks again- you're a life saver!
• 100[00:49:09] <sney> np
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• 105[00:54:31] <Brigo> dpkg karma 1 sney
• 106[00:54:31] <dpkg> 1 sney has neutral karma
• 107[00:54:35] <jbox> for some reason, when I change buster to sid in /etc/apt/sources.list, then do sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade, I get "libc6-dev : Breaks: libgcc-8-dev (< 8.4.0-2~) but 8.3.0-6 is to be installed". What am I doing wrong?
• 108[00:54:47] <Brigo> sorry, i find it hilarious XDD
• 109[00:55:39] <sney> jbox: -dev packages are known to get stuck on that upgrade. the simple solution is to remove them (you can install stuff again later after upgrading). Also, testing/sid support is in #debian-next on OFTC
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• 111[00:56:03] <jbox> sney: oh gotcha, thanks! I thought I had did something wrong with APT
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• 121[01:07:07] <jbox> is there a way to colorize APT output (not talking about the statusline) like zypper? I want something like "The following packages will be REMOVED!"
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• 124[01:08:04] <unixbsd> how to read under debian the cdrom burnt with DirectCD (old format cd)?
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• 126[01:09:01] <Brigo> unixbsd, what is in that cd?
• 127[01:09:37] <sney> google says it's udf, so 'mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom -t udf' will probably do it
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• 129[01:10:06] <sney> add an -o loop if you're mounting from a file
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• 132[01:11:07] <unixbsd> I tried "mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom" but it shows: "can't read superblock". DirectCD was an older format of cdroms.
• 133[01:12:27] <sney> according to these search results, directcd was roxio's attempt to rebrand UDF, and UDF was actually newer than the iso9660 filesystem used on cdroms originally (and still used).
• 134[01:12:54] <sney> if your disc is supposedly udf, but mount can't find a udf filesystem, try with iso9660.
• 135[01:12:58] <sney> or just '-t auto'
• 136[01:15:40] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 137[01:16:15] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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• 140[01:16:29] <tomreyn> $ grep CONFIG_UDF_FS /boot/config-$(uname -r)
• 141[01:17:38] <sney> it's a module in buster and up.
• 142[01:17:53] <unixbsd> I have not config anymore, I tried with photorec /dev/sr0 but all is mixed up.
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• 273[04:35:11] <qskwood> How can I get a random line from a file, then another from a second, then another from a third separated by spaces?
• 274[04:35:25] <qskwood> shuf is just behaving goofily and I don't know what's causing it
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• 277[04:38:07] <qskwood> replaced-url
• 278[04:38:17] <qskwood> this just outputs one random line from one file, which seems like a bug
• 279[04:39:35] <qskwood> even piping the shuf output to "| tr '\n' ' '" yields garbled results
• 280[04:40:59] <qskwood> replaced-url
• 281[04:41:11] <qskwood> should I just not be using shuf?
• 282[04:43:42] <qskwood> I can provide my input files if desired, but I don't think it has anything to do with them
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• 284[04:44:50] <EdePopede> qskwood: echo runs with 3 parameters in your oneliner, but outputs just A LOT of words
• 285[04:45:04] <EdePopede> better use printf instead and insert some "\n" where needed
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• 287[04:45:58] <qskwood> I'm not sure I follow, sorry
• 288[04:46:36] <EdePopede> with only 'shuf' there is a linebreak after each run, but feeding it to 'echo' seems to just join all the lines, removing the linefeeds
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• 290[04:46:57] <qskwood> that's not the behavior I'm seeing, I'm getting gibberish not lack of line feeds
• 291[04:47:46] <EdePopede> hm, i tried it with 2 lines from a file and they appear in one
• 292[04:47:54] <qskwood> unless I'm misunderstanding you
• 293[04:48:06] <qskwood> let me provide some examples in case
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• 295[04:48:38] <qskwood> here's the one-liner's output: replaced-url
• 296[04:48:51] <EdePopede> 00000060 32 22 20 23 45 58 54 2d 58 2d 53 54 52 45 41 4d |2" #EXT-X-STREAM|
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• 298[04:49:11] <EdePopede> that's what i get by using an m3u8 file. note the SPACE before the "#"
• 299[04:49:51] <EdePopede> qskwood: 1st word from 1st file, 2nd from 2nd file in each line?
• 300[04:50:11] <qskwood> replaced-url
• 301[04:50:18] <qskwood> here's the weirdness
• 302[04:50:27] <qskwood> you can see the second example is gibberish
• 303[04:50:57] <qskwood> ultimately what I want is "firstword-secondword-thirdword"
• 304[04:51:29] <EdePopede> i didn't use 'tr' and the output was like in your one-liner paste: <word> <SPC> <word>
• 305[04:52:55] <EdePopede> think of some commands (ls) removing color output by default when being fed to a pipe (ls | less). maybe something similar is happening with the echo syntax with the $() redirection. could be shuf removes the \n on its own before output when used like this
• 306[04:53:53] <qskwood> I'm just getting gibberish words that aren't in my files
• 307[04:54:11] <EdePopede> you also should use "$()" to have 3 parameters fed to your echo (or better: printf) instead of each word on its own (just for the case that one of the files may contain a compound word)
• 308[04:54:27] <EdePopede> they are... NOT in the files? hm
• 309[04:54:37] <qskwood> for example I have "Merciless" and I'm getting "Meciless"
• 310[04:55:09] <qskwood> for the following theoretically safe script: replaced-url
• 311[04:55:25] <EdePopede> you could have "shuf … | tee -a out.log" to see what it creates first
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• 313[04:56:35] <EdePopede> did you check that you don't have a typo in one of the files?
• 314[04:56:52] <EdePopede> (including maybe control characters like ^H even maybe)
• 315[04:57:13] <qskwood> not sure what to say, let me keep messing with it
• 316[04:57:30] <EdePopede> and since it's coreutils, is it plain US ASCII? *cough*
• 317[04:58:46] <qskwood> replaced-url
• 318[04:58:50] <qskwood> seems fine now, weird
• 319[04:58:56] <qskwood> I wonder what I did
• 320[04:59:56] <EdePopede> wait, the pattern lokks like the BOFH excuse file?
• 321[05:00:24] <qskwood> kind of
• 322[05:00:31] <qskwood> some lines have a space, some are just one word
• 323[05:00:47] <qskwood> they're area words from a procedurally generated RPG called .hack//G.U.
• 324[05:01:09] <EdePopede> are there lines with more than one word?
• 325[05:01:41] <qskwood> yeah some of them
• 326[05:02:15] <qskwood> this ultimately got me what I wanted for output: replaced-url
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• 328[05:03:03] <EdePopede> then the usual shell gotchas may apply. better use "$()" just for the case you really need explicit access to the spaces dividing the individual parts, but not to those inside the words
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• 333[05:04:39] <EdePopede> imagine "my" "debian distro". you'll get "my debian distro" without the "" in the one-liner (for the script it may be not necessary)
• 334[05:05:05] <qskwood> yeah
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• 336[05:05:34] <EdePopede> are the \n kept in the last paste?
• 337[05:05:49] <qskwood> this is a goofy server hostname generator, for the record
• 338[05:06:02] <EdePopede> the script is piped, not sure if it has an effect on commands used in it
• 339[05:07:10] <EdePopede> sidenote, since you use sed at the end you may get rid of tr, may be cheaper adding their commands to sed
• 340[05:07:32] <qskwood> good point
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• 343[05:09:44] <EdePopede> tbh i like oneliners. maybe because of the old 1K contests or the oneliners on the C=64 (with really limited line-length)
• 344[05:10:09] <qskwood> I generally try to make things as simple as possible to read, which sometimes means not one line
• 345[05:10:23] <qskwood> you want the next guy to understand it at a glance, because the next guy might be you
• 346[05:12:04] <EdePopede> i try to collect them in a commented file, so it's not that bad
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• 349[05:14:07] <qskwood> anyone else wish they could hit Alt-Tab and have the machine switch to the window you're LOOKING at
• 350[05:14:21] <qskwood> we all have webcams, it seems like that type of eye tracking should be a thing
• 351[05:15:02] <sney> they've got that kind of eye tracking, and they're using it to punish students for looking away from the screen during tests
• 352[05:15:08] <drwiii> i never bought a camera connected to the internet.
• 353[05:15:17] <EdePopede> both microphones and webcams should be blocked unless they're used
• 354[05:15:43] <sney> for a serious response: look at 'sloppy focus', where the focused window is whichever one the mouse pointer is on, no need for a click
• 355[05:15:56] <EdePopede> the BBB disaster shows that there's no need to trust in software solutions here
• 356[05:16:21] <qskwood> > using a mouse :P
• 357[05:16:25] <sney> if you've been around long enough, your pointer is probably lined up with your eyes most of the time anyway
• 358[05:16:47] <qskwood> sucks about the terrible classroom implementations of webcams though
• 359[05:16:52] <qskwood> I've heard the horror stories
• 360[05:17:10] <EdePopede> sney: they're missing the point that looking into the void helps concentrating ;)
• 361[05:17:26] <sney> indeed
• 362[05:17:48] <sney> like, 100%. I think way better when I'm not looking at the input.
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• 365[05:19:20] <EdePopede> yep, it's irritating. editors with nothing but the input box have become a thing (again, think wordperfect for dos) so it should be obvious that the people using them won't like a screen full of text while thinking.
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• 384[06:25:36] <sorcerer> that was an interesting error i had to work around, anyone ever had any problems with: Error writing lock file /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/.power_save_controller.swp: Permission denied
• 385[06:25:41] <sorcerer> (yes i was using sudo)
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• 395[06:46:38] <drwiii> GNOME is pretty good. what's the best IRC client?
• 396[06:46:53] <sorcerer> i like my CLI irc client
• 397[06:46:55] <sorcerer> weechat
• 398[06:46:55] <n4dir> !best
• 399[06:46:56] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 400[06:47:19] <n4dir> pretty happy with irssi.
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• 402[06:48:53] <n4dir> apt-cache says polari for gnome3. Back in the days i (ab)used pidgin. Some mention hexchat
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• 406[06:50:27] <leibniz> Weechat
• 407[06:50:37] <leibniz> weechat + glowing bear
• 408[06:50:42] <leibniz> is the best irc interface
• 409[06:50:54] <leibniz> it is better than discord
• 410[06:51:03] <leibniz> irssi is elegant
• 411[06:51:29] <n4dir> discord?
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• 414[06:52:01] <leibniz> It’s a terrible piece of software made by drunk pakis I believe
• 415[06:53:17] <leibniz> Or
• 416[06:53:22] <leibniz> Drunks
• 417[06:53:35] <leibniz> Nevermind
• 418[06:53:43] <leibniz> i love Debian and I’m a paki
• 419[06:54:34] <n4dir> i never heard it mentioned when it came to irc. But then: i don't hear that much.
• 420[06:55:17] <n4dir> same goes for pidgin, as said :-)
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• 437[07:25:40] <drwiii> i was using ircII EPIC years ago but hexchat seems to be okay
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• 439[07:26:22] <drwiii> there's something about polari that wasn't working properly
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• 442[07:32:27] <drwiii> it's like lsb_release is there just to make people try again
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• 494[09:00:39] <quadrathoch2> what was the command for looking if it's feasable to backport a package?
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• 529[09:53:50] <EdePopede> quadrathoch2: maybe apt-cache policy, i think that should list available sources. if that's what you mean.
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• 531[09:54:29] <powerhouse> I am trying to install php 5.4.16 but "apt-get install php5-fpm" = "E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm"
• 532[09:55:05] <nkuttler> ,v php5-fpm
• 533[09:55:06] <judd> Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- jessie: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.40+dfsg-0+deb8u12
• 534[09:55:15] <nkuttler> powerhouse: yeah, that's ancient..
• 535[09:55:30] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede thanks for the help :) but I was looking for ,checkbackport <package> :)
• 536[09:56:07] <EdePopede> ah, the bot trigger :)
• 537[09:56:31] <quadrathoch2> EdePopede yup :) and I finally backported successfully my first package >)
• 538[09:56:39] <quadrathoch2> ><
• 539[09:56:52] <drwiii> googleserver.exe keeps crashing
• 540[09:56:54] <drwiii> $ xeyes -outline orange -distance
• 541[09:57:31] <EdePopede> quadrathoch2: i did even somthing wilder recently! installed multibootusb from upstream and then fixed the broken dependencies, and... it worked!
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• 543[09:58:19] <quadrathoch2> uhhh EdePopede I hope at some point I reach that point ;)
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• 545[09:59:55] <EdePopede> i checked the .deb after download, didn't see any dangerous files in the data section and the postinst script only had to create a package or sth. old habbit of mine, look into everything before opening it ;)
• 546[10:00:22] <EdePopede> (package in the sense that it's a PyQt tool)
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• 548[10:00:45] <quadrathoch2> is PyQt special or sth? idk what that is ;)
• 549[10:00:56] <EdePopede> python using qt bindings for the gui
• 550[10:01:35] <EdePopede> file dialog was half the size of that in gtk3 (think firefox) still more useable :P
• 551[10:02:13] <quadrathoch2> ahh thanks :)
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• 556[10:04:40] <wrksx> are hardlink *exactly* the same as standard file? I mean, is there anything at all that differs from a standard file?
• 557[10:05:08] <wrksx> all seems to indicate a hard link is a standard file just like the original
• 558[10:06:15] <wrksx> I mean, creating a standard file is actually creating a hardlink to that file content content, right?
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• 573[10:25:50] <EdePopede> wrksx: yep. you create the file, eventually data blocks are filled, and then the 1st (usually only) link to the file is created. you add a 2nd one, they are both equivalent. just like transporter clones. (next to) no chance to say which one is the original.
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• 575[10:29:41] <wrksx> EdePopede: thanks!
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• 577[10:35:23] <EdePopede> wrksx, from an old discussion: "what about hardlinks to directories? where do they exist?" "in developers' nightmares." - or: replaced-url
• 578[10:36:24] <EdePopede> i don't have a system to play with or i'd try -F ;)
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• 581[10:40:39] <wrksx> EdePopede: lol not gonna try it
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• 585[10:48:48] <premoboss> hello. in order to speedup boot time onto a ARM baord, i recompiled linux to elimiate all undeeded parts (raid, sound, ecc ecc). all runs good. but when i disable "IPv6" and/or "netfilter", the system freeze! why it happens? i dont need ipv6 and netfilter in my application, so i want to eliminate both of them but how to do?
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• 593[11:05:14] <RoyK> premoboss: disabling netfilter shouldn't bother anything except ufw or firewalld etc, which should fail and go on, and ipv6 should only mess up things if they are bound to ipv6 only, and I don't know anything doing that out of the box. Which distro version is this?
• 594[11:06:02] <premoboss> ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS
• 595[11:06:02] <RoyK> premoboss: and what sort of freeze is this? just hanging during bootup or after booting up?
• 596[11:06:20] <RoyK> dpkg: tell premoboss about ubuntu
• 597[11:06:41] <premoboss> ther message is a long oist o simols inside square brackets [2342340234] [$A32453] ecc.
• 598[11:06:53] <premoboss> hang up durng boot.
• 599[11:07:15] <RoyK> still ubuntu, though - not supported here. try #ubuntu-server or something
• 600[11:07:26] <premoboss> ops. sorry dudes.
• 601[11:07:31] <RoyK> perhaps #ubuntu-arm
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• 603[11:07:46] <premoboss> thanks to redirect meto the right one.
• 604[11:08:13] <RoyK> I'd try a newer distro, though. ubuntu sucks at updating their old distros. whenever a new one's out, they forget about their old ones, be it LTS or not
• 605[11:08:48] <RoyK> and depending on what board this is, perhaps armbian is better - dunno. perhaps even debian is better ;)
• 606[11:09:30] <RoyK> I've used armbian on a few things that weren't raspberry pi machines
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• 612[11:18:07] <ice9> does the Debian installer support full disk encryption including the /boot partition?
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• 615[11:22:30] <quadrathoch2> luks2 no ice9 luks1 yes
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• 618[11:27:58] <premoboss> RoyK, i alreadi tested Armpian, but is is so "desktop" oriented even if done for ARM baord. A lot of unusefull services, programs, etc etc.
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• 621[11:36:17] <RoyK> premoboss: if you don't need the desktop stuff, just disable it. what sort of machine is this, btw?
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• 624[11:37:09] <premoboss> RoyK, NanoPi Duo2 replaced-url
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• 626[11:38:07] <premoboss> i do linux boot in about 2 sec, user space in about 3.5 sec. but i wil like to speedup more.
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• 628[11:42:59] <RoyK> premoboss: why is the bootup time so important?
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• 630[11:44:01] <RoyK> btw, netfilter and ipv6 won't add much to bootup time. Devices will
• 631[11:44:35] <RoyK> go through the list of devices drivers. chances are you need about 1% of the ones in your kernel config and they are all probed for during bootup
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• 636[11:45:17] <premoboss> RoyK, i eliminate quite all devices, i take only waha are indispensable. but to eliminate ipv6 now becamea eustion mark: Why his absence make linux freeze? this make me so curious and mad.
• 637[11:47:11] <RoyK> it really shouldn't do that
• 638[11:47:23] <RoyK> but again - why are you so obsessed with bootup time?
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• 645[11:51:58] <velix> Hmm. Where can I find the cronjob, which starts logrotate?
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• 647[11:53:56] <velix> found it in /etc/cron.daily/
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• 649[11:55:50] <velix> hmm... on which hour are those executed?
• 650[11:58:17] <velix> ah! /etc/crontab
• 651[11:58:22] <velix> Debian is the most cascaded OS out there.
• 652[11:58:49] <velix> it's like a door after a door after a door after a door after a door after a door after a door after and then you lost the key.
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• 654[12:03:12] <RoyK> velix: most distros cascade like that these days ;)
• 655[12:03:38] <velix> RoyK: Debian is like those old text games on c64.
• 656[12:03:46] <velix> Press 1, 2, 3 or 4
• 657[12:03:57] <RoyK> not really
• 658[12:03:59] <velix> 1: go through a forest
• 659[12:04:07] <velix> 2: ask for help
• 660[12:04:09] <velix> 3: exit
• 661[12:04:20] <RoyK> 4: ask on irc
• 662[12:04:26] <velix> nah, that's behind 2
• 663[12:04:29] <velix> 4: buy credits ;)
• 664[12:04:32] <RoyK> 5: google it
• 665[12:04:37] <RoyK> 6: learn something new
• 666[12:04:46] <RoyK> …954: Fix the problem
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• 669[12:06:37] <velix> It seems like daily cronjobs run at 6:25? replaced-url
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• 681[12:14:17] <Cheaterman> Hey budz I hope y'all doing goodie
• 682[12:14:25] <Cheaterman> I'm on Buster and I need SQLAlchemy >= 1.2.20
• 683[12:14:41] <Cheaterman> So I'm following replaced-url
• 684[12:14:45] <Cheaterman> because it's not already in backports, hehe.
• 685[12:14:51] <ice9> quadrathoch2, but the installer supports that natively or I have to do it manually?
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• 687[12:15:04] <Cheaterman> the thing is, that rmadison command thing, doesn't seem to work as expected? I'm not getting a package list while I definitely should
• 688[12:15:58] <Cheaterman> I mean there's clearly 1.3.20 in testing (and testing-src), I downloaded it already
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• 691[12:21:43] <Cheaterman> Not getting nearly the amount of build-deps I need either
• 692[12:21:51] <Cheaterman> but I'm fine installing them by hand, I'm familiar with the ecosystem
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• 694[12:22:34] <Cheaterman> Hmm, not getting the right versions of the build deps when doing that.
• 695[12:22:47] <Cheaterman> This is starting to annoy me, haha.
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• 698[12:26:45] <jelly> judd: checkbackport python3-sqlalchemy
• 699[12:26:46] <judd> Backporting package python3-sqlalchemy in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 9);Build-Depends-Indep: python3-changelog (>= 0.5.3), python3-zzzeeksphinx (>= 1.1.5).
• 700[12:27:01] <jelly> doesn't look too hard
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• 702[12:27:24] <jelly> or d-mentors
• 703[12:27:35] <jelly> oops, disregard that
• 704[12:27:47] <HelloShitty> Hello. I've just reinstalled debian buster but when I reboot, it goes straight to the bios menu
• 705[12:27:55] <HelloShitty> Why this is happening?
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• 707[12:30:29] <Cheaterman> jelly: doesn't tell me how to do it, though
• 708[12:30:40] <Cheaterman> I'm merely following SimpleBackportCreation page, and kinda stuck there.
• 709[12:30:47] <Cheaterman> Right now I'm backporting one of the build deps, hoping it'll unstuck me
• 710[12:30:51] <Cheaterman> unstick? whatever
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• 714[12:37:20] <Cheaterman> Also, that unsatisfied build dep list is incomplete
• 715[12:37:31] <Cheaterman> (or so it seems)
• 716[12:39:08] <Cheaterman> also I'm curious why the rmadison command doesn't work.
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• 719[12:42:39] <wyoung> HelloShitty: Because Trump didn't get in.
• 720[12:43:39] <Cheaterman> Really? I thought politics didn't have a direct impact on efivarfs.
• 721[12:43:40] <HelloShitty> ohhh come on. I'm dealing with this for over a day and with problems after problems
• 722[12:43:55] <HelloShitty> I would appreciate some help please
• 723[12:44:06] <Cheaterman> HelloShitty: Install efibootmgr, see what it tells you
• 724[12:44:14] <Cheaterman> I assume your machine is UEFI, if it's not, do tell
• 725[12:44:25] <HelloShitty> I have installed debian in uefi mode etc
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• 728[12:44:38] <HelloShitty> Installed using LVM encrypted mode
• 729[12:44:41] <wyoung> HelloShitty: Sure, I'll send you my paypal details.
• 730[12:44:58] <HelloShitty> Cheaterman can you tell me how do I install that?
• 731[12:45:19] <Cheaterman> Using Debian's package manager apt
• 732[12:45:38] <HelloShitty> Is that the grub thing, no?
• 733[12:45:55] <Cheaterman> Okay, I'll ask the question differently then. Why aren't you using Mint exactly
• 734[12:46:16] <Cheaterman> It does seem like you're slightly out of your element here
• 735[12:46:53] <HelloShitty> I have been using Debian for some years now and last time I've done this was like 6 years ago
• 736[12:47:09] <HelloShitty> Seems many things have changed and I'm not familiar with them at all
• 737[12:47:11] <Cheaterman> If you had been using Debian for six years, you'd know how to use APT, I think
• 738[12:47:19] <Cheaterman> No, APT has been there for 20-ish years
• 739[12:47:39] <HelloShitty> Yes I know
• 740[12:47:48] <Cheaterman> « 31 March 1998; 22 years ago » to be precise
• 741[12:47:52] <HelloShitty> But I wasn't familiar with this uefi thing
• 742[12:48:16] <Cheaterman> That's not something you should concern yourself with too much. It usually JustWorks™. Why are you reinstalling exactly?
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• 745[12:48:45] <Cheaterman> If your machine is in legacy mode and you're trying to install in uefi mode, you're obviously going to run into issues
• 746[12:48:50] <Cheaterman> for example.
• 747[12:48:55] <HelloShitty> Because my ssd started to give me some problems about bad sectors and I couldn't do much
• 748[12:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1161
• 749[12:49:05] <Cheaterman> I see.
• 750[12:49:07] <HelloShitty> And I decided maybe this was the time for a fresh install
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• 752[12:49:17] <Cheaterman> So the next question is, are you sure your machine is indeed in UEFI mode
• 753[12:49:30] <HelloShitty> I have a bios option that says
• 754[12:49:35] <HelloShitty> OS select
• 755[12:49:36] <Cheaterman> Reboot, check the bios, go to "boot → advanced" section (or something along those lines), make sure it's UEFI
• 756[12:49:45] <Cheaterman> and not legacy.
• 757[12:50:07] <Cheaterman> and/or reinstall Debian in legacy mode.
• 758[12:50:08] <HelloShitty> If I choose 'others', I can choose boot order and priority but no uefi settings
• 759[12:50:19] <Cheaterman> how old is your mobo
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• 761[12:50:40] <HelloShitty> If I choose Windows 8, I can enable UEFI mode
• 762[12:50:51] <HelloShitty> But then I can't set any boot priority options
• 763[12:51:01] <HelloShitty> My laptop is a Clevo P170EM
• 764[12:51:09] <HelloShitty> It is like 6 years old
• 765[12:51:57] <HelloShitty> But if I choose Windows 8 and set UEFI mode enabled
• 766[12:52:29] <HelloShitty> I can't just set any boot priority options. and when I reboot the laptop it always go into bios menu again
• 767[12:53:23] <velix> Oh man... systemd integration in Debian is still messed up. "/etc/crontab" says, "/etc/cron.daily" is being run at 06:25, but `systemctl list-timers` says 00:00
• 768[12:53:50] <Cheaterman> HelloShitty: boot priority, AGAIN, is not something you should be worrying about.
• 769[12:54:00] <Cheaterman> FYI, that's handled by the UEFI itself, and efivarfs/efibootmgr
• 770[12:54:03] <Cheaterman> which I told you to install ages ago
• 771[12:54:07] <Cheaterman> so please do, and see what it tells you
• 772[12:54:32] <HelloShitty> Ok, if I can get access to a shell, I'll do ot
• 773[12:54:34] <HelloShitty> It
• 774[12:54:47] <Cheaterman> if you can't get access to a shell, you have bigger issues
• 775[12:54:56] <Cheaterman> and you might wanna solve those
• 776[12:55:30] <HelloShitty> I don't have because laptop boots straight into bios menu
• 777[12:55:36] <velix> Cheaterman: Nah, a "big problem" would be if he sees a Windows "start" logo on the bottom left ;)
• 778[12:55:39] <HelloShitty> How am I gone start a shell there?
• 779[12:55:43] <Cheaterman> velix: Hahahahaha, good one
• 780[12:56:04] <Cheaterman> HelloShitty: well, how are you "gone" install debian?
• 781[12:56:16] <Cheaterman> Maybe booting on a USB stick or something? Maybe that'll give you a shell? :-)
• 782[12:56:51] <HelloShitty> But I already installed debian. I need to boot from the USB again?
• 783[12:56:57] <Cheaterman> well...
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• 785[12:57:07] <HelloShitty> And sorry by mispelling. I'm on a phone
• 786[12:57:07] <Cheaterman> if you already installed Debian you'd be able to boot it, right?
• 787[12:57:22] <Cheaterman> If your bootloader is broken, I count this as a "not totally installed Debian"
• 788[12:57:26] <HelloShitty> As I just said, it boots straight to bios menu
• 789[12:57:32] <Cheaterman> Yep, read what I just said
• 790[12:57:52] <HelloShitty> Ok
• 791[12:58:01] <Cheaterman> More generally
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• 793[12:58:12] <Cheaterman> Your machine is broken. You need access to a shell to diagnose/fix it.
• 794[12:58:22] <Cheaterman> If you have any other way to access a shell than booting your Debian install medium, be my guest and do it :-)
• 795[12:58:22] <HelloShitty> But how a boot gets broken in the very next time after debian install that I reboot the laptop?
• 796[12:58:25] <Cheaterman> by all means.
• 797[12:58:32] <HelloShitty> Ok
• 798[12:58:34] <Cheaterman> I have no idea HelloShitty. Most likely you did something very wrong.
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• 800[12:58:56] <Cheaterman> Or your new SSD is broken. Or you installed your bootloader onto the boot medium instead of your internal SSD.
• 801[12:59:02] <Cheaterman> Who knows.
• 802[12:59:10] <Cheaterman> We can't diagnose until you get a shell. So do that.
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• 804[12:59:19] <HelloShitty> Let me see if I can show you some screenshots
• 805[12:59:25] <Cheaterman> That's not going to help either.
• 806[12:59:28] <HelloShitty> On a phone is always a chakkenge
• 807[12:59:32] <Cheaterman> (I'm not gonna click them)
• 808[12:59:43] <HelloShitty> Why not?
• 809[13:00:34] <Cheaterman> Because I'm also here for a reason myself, got my own issues to fix.
• 810[13:00:43] <HelloShitty> Ok
• 811[13:00:51] <Cheaterman> and right now, this whole thing is pissing me off, so I can't afford extra patience to fix your problems too
• 812[13:01:03] <HelloShitty> Ok, sorry
• 813[13:01:11] <Cheaterman> NP it's not your fault ^^
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• 815[13:02:07] <HelloShitty> Well, in the shell it doesn't recognize apt nor sudo
• 816[13:02:23] <HelloShitty> I can't install efibootmgr
• 817[13:02:24] <Cheaterman> So you're not in a shell.
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• 819[13:02:37] <Cheaterman> You're in a grub busybox or something
• 820[13:02:49] <HelloShitty> I did alt+f2 while in the install menu
• 821[13:03:49] <Cheaterman> Hmm, well I guess that should work, maybe the minimal install CD is too minimal? ^^
• 822[13:04:03] <Cheaterman> Maybe it just needs debootstrap and then uses chrooted apt
• 823[13:04:06] <Cheaterman> ALTHOUGH
• 824[13:04:10] <Cheaterman> Why can't you just do that
• 825[13:04:18] <Cheaterman> I mean setting up a chroot isn't _that_ hard
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• 827[13:04:26] <Cheaterman> First you'll want to mount wherever you installed Debian
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• 830[13:05:03] <HelloShitty> apt-install is an available command but it just kinda clears the screen and does anything else
• 831[13:05:06] <Cheaterman> then remount-bind /dev /proc and /sys into there
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• 833[13:05:20] <Cheaterman> Yeah, I suspect the install medium is too "minimal"
• 834[13:05:27] <Cheaterman> just mount your actual rootfs, and chroot into it
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• 836[13:05:40] <HelloShitty> It was a 300Mb iso image iirc
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• 839[13:06:30] <Cheaterman> OMFG I can't build sphinx. This is really annoying.
• 840[13:06:39] <Cheaterman> The failing tests are _really_ weird, too.
• 841[13:06:44] <Cheaterman> E - {('', 'a'): 'str', ('', 'b'): 'int', ('', 'c'): 'int'}
• 842[13:06:44] <Cheaterman> E + {('', 'a'): 'str', ('', 'b'): 'int', ('', 'c'): 'int', ('', 'd'): 'int'}
• 843[13:07:31] <Cheaterman> This is a f*cking nightmare
• 844[13:07:46] <Cheaterman> jelly: "doesn't look too hard" heh? :-)
• 845[13:08:17] <Cheaterman> when your deps need upgrades that aren't backported, and these deps have deps, and these deps of deps fail to build/test
• 846[13:08:26] <Cheaterman> Dependency hell
• 847[13:08:40] <Cheaterman> {{ long_chain_of_expletives }}
• 848[13:10:53] <Cheaterman> Not even APT's fault I bet, that's just a missing or incorrect dependency spec somewhere in Debian's rules for sphinx
• 849[13:11:14] <Cheaterman> Gonna have to dig in there to see if it's a third party package doing that parsing (incorrectly), and fix the version
• 850[13:11:17] <Cheaterman> PITA.
• 851[13:12:34] <Cheaterman> Or, I could just skip running the tests, haha.
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• 855[13:17:58] <Cheaterman> what's more sickenin, is that's sphinx. I don't need SQLA docs...
• 856[13:18:00] <rootkea> Hello! I'm trying to install Debian 10.6.0 using netinst image firmware-10.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso. On network configuration step it correctly shows my network SSID so it appears that firmware got loaded automatically. Then when I put Wi-fi network password it takes good 20-30 seconds and shows this error message. "The exchange of keys and association with the access point failed. Please check the WPA/WPA2 parameters you provided."
• 857[13:18:06] <rootkea> Screenshot: replaced-url
• 858[13:18:42] <Cheaterman> dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to sphinx-build-deps_3.3.1-1_all.deb: binary file contents changed
• 859[13:18:45] <Cheaterman> that's REALLY ANNOYING.
• 860[13:18:54] <Cheaterman> Why can't things just build.
• 861[13:19:08] <jelly> rootkea: which wireless card / chip is in there?
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• 863[13:21:15] <rootkea> jelly, unfortunately installation is mid-way so can't access the terminal. Let me look up on Acer website for specs meanwhile. It's Acer aspire switch 10 laptop.
• 864[13:21:48] <Cheaterman> haha, force-building won't help, the tests are still going to be run
• 865[13:23:00] <Cheaterman> « Backporting package python3-sqlalchemy in sid→buster/amd64 »
• 866[13:23:09] <Cheaterman> just realized judd might not be lookign at the right thing
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• 869[13:23:34] <Cheaterman> judd: checkbackport python3-sqlalchemy bullseye
• 870[13:23:35] <judd> Backporting package python3-sqlalchemy in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 9);Build-Depends-Indep: python3-changelog (>= 0.5.3), python3-zzzeeksphinx (>= 1.1.5).
• 871[13:23:42] <Cheaterman> Nah, doesn't want.
• 872[13:23:58] <jelly> rootkea you can open a shell on Ctrl-Alt-F3 console or somewhere nearby, go back to installer on first console fater
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• 875[13:24:38] <rootkea> jelly, Oh so the vts work during installation too?! cool!
• 876[13:24:41] <jelly> ,checkbackport python3-sqlalchemy --fromrelease bullseye --torelease buster
• 877[13:24:42] <judd> Backporting package python3-sqlalchemy in bullseye→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 9);Build-Depends-Indep: python3-changelog (>= 0.5.3), python3-zzzeeksphinx (>= 1.1.5).
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• 879[13:24:59] <jelly> ,v python3-zzzeeksphinx
• 880[13:25:00] <judd> Package: python3-zzzeeksphinx on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.18-2; stretch-backports: 1.0.20-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.0.20-2; bullseye: 1.1.5-1; sid: 1.1.5-1
• 881[13:25:10] <Cheaterman> Yeah.
• 882[13:25:23] <jelly> didn 't realize that was sphinx
• 883[13:25:23] <Cheaterman> and I think zzzeek is the thing that puts me in dep hell, need recent sphinx for that
• 884[13:25:28] <Cheaterman> ,v python3-sphinx
• 885[13:25:29] <judd> Package: python3-sphinx on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 1.4.9-2; stretch-backports: 1.7.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.4-1; bullseye: 3.3.1-1; sid: 3.3.1-1
• 886[13:25:31] <Cheaterman> ↑
• 887[13:25:49] <Cheaterman> getting 3.3.1 to work is a pain (or at least that's what I'm stuck on right now)
• 888[13:26:03] <jelly> you could try to lower the version for the build dep in the control file, and hope for the best?
• 889[13:26:25] <Cheaterman> :-/ I suppose, yes
• 890[13:26:42] <Cheaterman> What I'm really surprised is that bullseye and sid have a 3.3.x, did they patch out the tests or something?
• 891[13:26:50] <Cheaterman> clearly doesn't build here, there's like 5-7 failing tests
• 892[13:26:59] <rootkea> lspci doesn't show any wireless device. Guess I need to use some another command?
• 893[13:27:00] <Cheaterman> one of them being fully internal sphinx stuff (pycode parser)
• 894[13:28:06] <Cheaterman> jelly: Oh actually, it's a bit worse than that, hehe. The reason I'm upgrading sphinx is because sqla build fails. The control file does NOT indicate a higher version is needed, yet it is
• 895[13:28:20] <Cheaterman> it's basically a shot in the dark.
• 896[13:28:29] <jelly> Cheaterman: or find an older python3-sqlalchemy source on snapshot.debian.org, like a 1.2.something that's still new rnough for your needs, and build that
• 897[13:28:45] <Cheaterman> jelly: I think that's the best plan, thanks for the idea, lemme try that
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• 900[13:29:32] <HelloShitty> rootkea I'm also installing same Debian but I have different problems. However I also got that one although I was 100% sure password was correct
• 901[13:29:38] <jelly> rootkea: that's unusual but I guess there might be internal wifi devices that are not pcie connected, maybe it's usb?
• 902[13:29:56] <HelloShitty> I was so sure that after a few attempts with the same password, it eventually accepted it
• 903[13:30:23] <HelloShitty> I'm reinstalling everything again
• 904[13:30:25] <rootkea> HelloShitty, I simple removed the password and made it Open network
• 905[13:30:27] <jelly> in any case since you're using the firmware-laden image it's hard to say what is going wrong
• 906[13:30:30] <rootkea> also hidden
• 907[13:30:48] <HelloShitty> But I think I don't feel this is going to work
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• 909[13:31:40] <HelloShitty> This UEFI thing is a pita to me
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• 911[13:32:00] <rootkea> jelly, it's laptop. No usb wifi dongle. To find product details on acer website it asks system-id which is in bios so guess I'd have to wait till installation gets over
• 912[13:32:04] <rootkea> :/
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• 914[13:33:08] <HelloShitty> And Cheaterman, I think I just saw efibootmgr being installed
• 915[13:33:09] <jelly> rootkea: an internal device might still be connected to usb
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• 918[13:33:55] <rootkea> jelly, BTW I found this bug report from wheezy install replaced-url
• 919[13:33:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 921[13:34:39] <rootkea> lsusb, lshw not found. Gotta wait till installation is over I guess.
• 922[13:34:40] <jelly> that might or might not be the same issue, even if it's the same symptom
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• 933[13:40:32] <rootkea> BTW, what's up with the "Debian desktop environment" choice in tasksel? Does selecting that equals selecting GNOME?
• 934[13:40:49] <jelly> yes
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• 938[13:43:10] <rootkea> From replaced-url
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• 942[13:44:46] <rootkea> Someone on debian-user said that "If you chose "Debian desktop environment" AND a specific desktop, the specific choice overrides." replaced-url
• 943[13:45:18] <rootkea> Anyways, for now I have selected both DDE and xfce to see what happens.
• 944[13:46:29] <rootkea> But I'm still confused about the tasksel menu.
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• 946[13:48:39] <shtrb> DDE ?
• 947[13:49:07] <jelly> it's going to install both
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• 949[13:49:58] <rootkea> Oh dear God! May be I can then simply do apt purge task-gnome-desktop?
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• 951[13:50:17] <jelly> not really
• 952[13:50:28] <rootkea> So that I get other packages included in DDE except gnome
• 953[13:50:33] <rootkea> Why not?
• 954[13:50:54] <HelloShitty> Yeah I just chose xfce
• 955[13:50:57] <jelly> you can do that, but it won't remove all the packages that task brings
• 956[13:51:01] <HelloShitty> And if this doesn't work
• 957[13:51:12] <HelloShitty> Tomorrow I'm fucked
• 958[13:51:22] <HelloShitty> I don't have another laptop to work
• 959[13:51:27] <HelloShitty> I'm working from home
• 960[13:51:49] <rootkea> HelloShitty, Did you select Debian Desktop Environment too?
• 961[13:51:51] <HelloShitty> No laptop no work
• 962[13:51:54] <jelly> I usually try to have two working computers at home
• 963[13:51:56] <HelloShitty> I didn't
• 964[13:52:12] <HelloShitty> I only chose xfce
• 965[13:52:33] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure what gets installed if you chose only DDE
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• 967[13:53:03] <HelloShitty> And I need a fully functional web browser as my work is done in Internet sites
• 968[13:53:24] <rootkea> jelly, Will not HelloShitty be missing anacron, iw and other packages included in DDE since they didn't select DDE?
• 969[13:53:29] <HelloShitty> I can't just go desktopless. I need Firefox or Chrome or Chromium
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• 971[13:54:00] <rootkea> HelloShitty, DDE inlcludes Firefox
• 972[13:54:16] <HelloShitty> But I didn't chose DDE
• 973[13:54:19] <rootkea> and Gnome.
• 974[13:54:34] <HelloShitty> Hope I have a functional web browser
• 975[13:54:50] <HelloShitty> But prior to that hope I can boot in the first place
• 976[13:54:52] <rootkea> HelloShitty, You can always apt install :)
• 977[13:55:09] <HelloShitty> I have the feeling I'm going to have a hard time
• 978[13:55:47] <HelloShitty> In the worst case scenario I have to call the boss and say I need the day of tomorrow as holiday
• 979[13:55:51] <HelloShitty> Which is never good
• 980[13:56:19] <HelloShitty> Yes rootkea, I can apt but what am I going to install to install that DDE?
• 981[13:56:25] <HelloShitty> I don't know what it includes
• 982[13:56:45] <rootkea> HelloShitty, ignore it. It's just Gnome + some packages.
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• 984[13:56:54] <rootkea> You'll be fine selecting xfce.
• 985[13:56:55] <HelloShitty> But first things first
• 986[13:57:16] <HelloShitty> I need to be able to boot prior to be concerned about desktops
• 987[13:57:28] <rootkea> Though I'm not sure about sans-gnome packages included in DDE
• 988[13:57:55] <Cheaterman> jelly: I'm very happy to report 1.3.0 (what I painstakingly tracked to be the first version having the changes I need - SQLA's commit history is VERY anachronic somehow, like, some commits that were two years old at the time of a release were not included)
• 989[13:58:00] <Cheaterman> seems more cooperative
• 990[13:58:12] <Cheaterman> Ah.
• 991[13:58:14] <Cheaterman> Never mind.
• 992[13:58:19] <Cheaterman> Exact same issue with sphinx autodoc
• 993[13:58:24] <Cheaterman> AttributeError: module 'sphinx.ext.autodoc' has no attribute 'PropertyDocumenter'
• 994[14:00:02] <Cheaterman> unending pain on both sides of the equation, hahaha.
• 995[14:00:19] <HelloShitty> I see grub-efi-something being configured
• 996[14:00:35] <HelloShitty> grub-install-something
• 997[14:00:43] <HelloShitty> update-grub
• 998[14:00:46] <HelloShitty> Etc
• 999[14:01:47] <rootkea> Lucky you! I'm still half-way in Select and Install software step thanks too gnome thanks to DDE thanks to a comment on debian-user list :/
• 1000[14:01:48] <Cheaterman> I'm going to bypass sphinx's tests entirely. Ain't nobody got time to run them all anyway, especially twice, and especially given I already know the failing results
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• 1002[14:02:10] <Cheaterman> =========================================================================================== no tests ran in 3.64 seconds ===========================================================================================
• 1003[14:02:14] <Cheaterman> Now that's productive you see.
• 1004[14:02:15] <Cheaterman> >__<
• 1005[14:02:36] <HelloShitty> rootkea, not lucky
• 1006[14:02:55] <HelloShitty> After reboot, it goes straight back to bios menu
• 1007[14:03:05] <HelloShitty> I just can't fucking boot
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• 1011[14:05:11] <HelloShitty> Why the hell can't I boot normally?
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• 1014[14:05:44] <HelloShitty> Why this keeps going to bios menu? What the hell is going on?
• 1015[14:05:55] <cskr> I have a Thinkpad that came without any OS. Debian boots fine in UEFI-only mode, but doesn't work if secure boot is enabled. Is there anyway to trust Debian's official signature in BIOS? I only see wikis to add MOKs to shim, but not a way to trust shim itself.
• 1016[14:06:24] <qaluH> yeah secure boot fucked me tto on my acer
• 1017[14:06:48] <HelloShitty> My Secure Boot is disabled
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• 1019[14:08:22] <tomreyn> cskr: the general approach is for you to sign the shim, then import the signing key into the firmwares' (trusted / CA) key store.
• 1020[14:08:28] <shtrb> cskr, yes you have a way , but there are dangerous aspects of fucking with Lenovo's UEFI , what you can do is to ask with Debian's Lenovo rep
• 1021[14:09:06] <shtrb> tomreyn, beware of Lenovo firmware suggestion - the should not be trusted unless via LVFS and even then
• 1022[14:09:41] <shtrb> not to offend or anything , I know that with normal firmwares there shouldn't be a problem , Lenovo is a different story
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• 1024[14:10:02] <rootkea> HelloShitty, which machine is this? Is your UEFI 32-bit?
• 1025[14:10:43] <shtrb> HelloShitty, you may had skipped installed grub to UEFI
• 1026[14:10:44] <HelloShitty> My laptop is a Clevo P170EM
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• 1028[14:11:10] <cskr> tomreyn, thanks. Can you point to some wiki that can guide me through this? shtrb, I see. When you say dangerous, do you mean there is a possibility of bricking the laptop?
• 1029[14:11:22] <shtrb> cskr, yes
• 1030[14:11:22] <tomreyn> shtrb: i did not suggest a firmware upgrade, just to use standard uefi functionality. if that's broken on this implementation, then i guess a firmware upgrade might help, or it's time to get vendor support.
• 1031[14:11:28] <HelloShitty> shrtb skipped?
• 1032[14:12:07] <shtrb> tomreyn, even LVFS upgrade erase UEFI varibales with Lenovo , they are nutritious with some models
• 1033[14:12:07] <HelloShitty> I'm going to try to install again but in normal partitions, not LVM encrypted volumes
• 1034[14:12:18] <tomreyn> cskr: i'm only aware of ubuntu's. chances are this is also dosucmented on wiki.debian.org
• 1035[14:12:47] <shtrb> HelloShitty, you have an option to skip installing grub installation (if you selected not to install bios/uefi will not see the installation)
• 1036[14:12:52] <tomreyn> shtrb: i see
• 1037[14:12:54] <shtrb> HelloShitty, it's OPT-out
• 1038[14:13:10] <rootkea> HelloShitty, I've selected LCM encrypted volume and installation is about to over. Wish me luck!
• 1039[14:13:17] <rootkea> *LVM
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• 1041[14:13:54] <HelloShitty> shtrb I don't think I have skipped any step
• 1042[14:14:22] <Cheaterman> Well. I'm gonna use a venv.
• 1043[14:14:30] <Cheaterman> Getting things to work on Debian is just too much of a pain.
• 1044[14:14:55] <Cheaterman> and FWIW, SQLA not having bundled a 2 year old commit into a 1 year old release isn't helping matters either.
• 1045[14:14:56] <shtrb> tomreyn, when ever I hear about Lenovo firmware or UEFI settings I'm reminded by this gem - replaced-url
• 1046[14:14:58] <rootkea> Great! "No Bootable Device". But I already knew that since this is a 32-bit UEFI 64-bit processor machine. Let me poke in bios setup...
• 1047[14:15:43] <HelloShitty> rootkea, where do you see you have a 32-bit UEFI?
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• 1053[14:17:56] <cskr> tomreyn, were you referring to replaced-url
• 1054[14:18:02] <rootkea> HelloShitty, on Internet! I read up on this machine specs online!
• 1055[14:18:15] <rootkea> BTW I just found a way to boot lol!
• 1056[14:18:35] <tomreyn> cskr: yes, sorry for not putting the link here, i just don't want to post OT links.
• 1057[14:18:45] <HelloShitty> When I enter BIOS menu, with my debian iso usb pen inserted, that is the only bootable device found
• 1058[14:18:58] <HelloShitty> rootkea, tell me please
• 1059[14:19:06] <rootkea> HelloShitty, typing..
• 1060[14:19:40] <shtrb> HelloShitty, if you log into UEFI , check if you have boot order and maybe the debian grub is not the first one ?
• 1061[14:20:09] <tomreyn> cskr: note that ubuntu's shims are signed witht eh microsoft key, so normally you don't need to sign them yourself and to enroll the signing key into the firmware.
• 1062[14:20:26] <HelloShitty> shtrb, I don't see any option that says 'debian grub'
• 1063[14:20:49] <HelloShitty> The only one available now is the USB pen with debian iso I just inserted
• 1064[14:20:52] <shtrb> Maybe the bios is legacy mode boot , and you installed UEFI mode ?
• 1065[14:20:52] <tomreyn> (but it's a requirement to any uefi implementation that enrolling custom boot loader signing keys must be possible)
• 1066[14:20:57] <rootkea> 1. Enable secure boot 2. Add trusted uefi file HDD>Debian>grubia32.efi. 3. Reboot you'll see grub rescue screen.
• 1067[14:21:13] <rootkea> 4. Turn off secureboot and then reboot
• 1068[14:21:33] <rootkea> This somehow adds the entry in grub.
• 1069[14:21:41] <HelloShitty> Wait
• 1070[14:21:46] <HelloShitty> Step 2
• 1071[14:21:59] <HelloShitty> Add file? What file and from where?
• 1072[14:22:11] <HelloShitty> And add it where?
• 1073[14:22:18] <rootkea> In bios you'll see an option to add trusted uefi file
• 1074[14:22:28] <rootkea> It might be worded differently
• 1075[14:23:01] <HelloShitty> When I activate secure boot, I can only see another option that lets me choose Secure Boot Mode
• 1076[14:23:10] <HelloShitty> Between Standard and custom
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• 1078[14:23:57] <HelloShitty> In custom mode I have a few other options
• 1079[14:24:12] <HelloShitty> But none says to add files from anywhere to anywhere
• 1080[14:24:28] <cskr> tomreyn, replaced-url
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• 1083[14:26:34] <rootkea> HelloShitty, Try custom mode. Does that unlock an option to add file?
• 1084[14:26:34] <tomreyn> cskr: it could be that. also, some uefi implementors have decided to only trust boot loaders which are both signed with the microsoft keys and stored at a specific location on the EFI system partition. and a lot of other nonsense is out there.
• 1085[14:27:28] <cskr> I thought the whole point of UEFI was to standardize things. Yet, h/w manufacturers find ways to mess things up. :(
• 1086[14:27:32] <HelloShitty> Nothing fucking works. I'm sorry I'm swearing but I'm already too pissed
• 1087[14:27:39] <HelloShitty> Nothing works with me
• 1088[14:28:35] <rootkea> HelloShitty, Can you post screenshots/picture of BIOS screens? particularly "Setup"/"Settings"/"Boot" or any other relevant screens?
• 1089[14:28:57] <rootkea> I have never used/seen Clevo laptop
• 1090[14:28:59] <HelloShitty> Yes
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• 1093[14:29:35] <HelloShitty> I'll paste them into your pvt to avoid spamming here, I guess
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• 1098[14:31:26] <tomreyn> cskr: i'm not saying this applies to lenovo in general or to your model or series, i just don't (wanna) know. in hindsight, i guess the standardization argument was mostly marketing, though there are some benefits to it. on the other side, there are also a lot of problems in uefi implementations (and the standard as well), the most serious being complexity, and allowing things which just shouldn't be there, such as pre-boot network configuration
• 1099[14:31:26] <tomreyn> and live downloads from the internet, often implemented with insufficient authentication, and upgrading the firmware based on those downloads.
• 1100[14:31:39] <rootkea> HelloShitty, make an album on imgur and then share link here.
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• 1102[14:32:33] <rootkea> jelly, I report that with DDE and XFCE both selected during tasksel I see no GNOME apps but only xfce + other packages in DDE like firefox, anacron, iw!
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• 1104[14:33:21] <rootkea> Though, this is not what I was expecting so I would be performing installation again tomorrow to make sure that I didn't miss checking off DDE
• 1105[14:34:13] <tomreyn> DDE means "debian desktop environment"? isn't this just the default gnome-shell/mutter?
• 1106[14:34:58] <tomreyn> or does it refer to "deepin"?
• 1107[14:35:20] <HelloShitty> rootkea I'm using imgbb. I don't see a link to share an album
• 1108[14:35:22] <rootkea> tomreyn, Yes and no. it's Gnome + some other packages replaced-url
• 1109[14:35:37] <HelloShitty> Can I post the links in your pvt?
• 1110[14:35:46] <HelloShitty> 7 links
• 1111[14:36:24] <rootkea> Ah, okay. But you can upload multiple images on imgbb and I think that creates an album
• 1112[14:37:17] <HelloShitty> Yes, that's what I did
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• 1114[14:37:38] <tomreyn> thanks rootkea
• 1115[14:39:30] <HelloShitty> rootkea you got my pvt with links?
• 1116[14:40:06] <rootkea> HelloShitty, yes. looking at them. "Security" looks relevant.
• 1117[14:40:20] <HelloShitty> Ok, thanks
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• 1153[15:11:56] <eblip> hey is it fine nowadays to still use iptables-restore and iptables-save
• 1154[15:12:20] <eblip> you see i have my rules in a file
• 1155[15:12:31] <eblip> and i just want to use them straight out the box
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• 1157[15:12:46] <eblip> another thing i see there is no iptables-peristant any more
• 1158[15:13:02] <eblip> and also on a new debian install there is no /etc/iptables directory
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• 1160[15:13:19] <eblip> i have heard of nftables
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• 1162[15:13:37] <eblip> but what is the point..for someone who is only used to using iptables...why bother with another layer
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• 1168[15:17:14] <ratrace> eblip: iptables-persistent exists alright. what are you talking about?
• 1169[15:17:19] <ratrace> ,v iptables-persistent
• 1170[15:17:20] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.0.4+nmu2+deb9u1; buster: 1.0.11; buster-backports: 1.0.14~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.14; sid: 1.0.14
• 1171[15:17:42] <eblip> one sec
• 1172[15:17:43] <ratrace> ande yes, it is totally fine to use iptables-{restore,save} to manage the rules atomically.
• 1173[15:17:46] <ratrace> *and
• 1174[15:18:02] <eblip> ah that is good to use restore and save
• 1175[15:18:18] <ratrace> iptables actually uses nft in the backend (unless you install iptables-legacy) so you can keep the ipt API/interface while enjoying the performance improvements of nft
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• 1182[15:22:47] <eblip> ah ok thanks a lot
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• 1256[16:32:20] <OY1R> i need to run alsactl --file ~/.config/asound.state restore once raspberrypios has started, i tried with rc.local and cronjob but i cannot get it to work
• 1257[16:34:37] <lnxslck> OY1R: what was that cronjob like?
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• 1269[16:45:20] <Brigo> what is raspberrypios?
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• 1272[16:54:13] <EdePopede> !raspbian
• 1273[16:54:13] <dpkg> Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 1281[16:57:40] <Brigo> EdePopede, thanks, i think it dosen't matter anymore.
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• 1317[17:29:39] <Franciman> hi
• 1318[17:30:08] <Franciman> is it possible to substitute a driver?
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• 1320[17:33:14] <jhutchins> Question too abstract to answer.
• 1321[17:33:20] <jhutchins> Franciman: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 1324[17:33:51] <Franciman> jhutchins, ok, I have a problem with wifi, I use ath10k drivers. I came to the conclusion that the problem is not with the firmware but with the driver
• 1325[17:33:56] <Franciman> so I would like to test other driver versions
• 1326[17:34:09] <Franciman> and try to debug the issue and finally fix it
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• 1329[17:37:52] <unixbsd> hello
• 1330[17:38:08] <unixbsd> On debian, how to disable UAS at boot into grub2?
• 1331[17:38:30] <Brigo> Franciman, yes it is possible. you have to turn the wifi off, unload the driver, load the other driver and test with the new driver.
• 1332[17:38:38] <Brigo> UAS?
• 1333[17:38:52] <unixbsd> usb 3.0
• 1334[17:39:00] <unixbsd> UAS
• 1335[17:39:31] <Brigo> unixbsd, you mean edit grub so you disable it at kernel boot?
• 1336[17:40:17] <unixbsd> into the line .e.g. ... in the grub : root=/dev/sda7 rw <--- here
• 1337[17:40:41] <unixbsd> yeap, at kernel boot (see above line).
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• 1340[17:41:21] <Franciman> jhutchins, you just witnessed to me encountering the bug ^^
• 1341[17:41:25] <Franciman> I disconnected
• 1342[17:41:31] <Brigo> unixbsd, select the option you want to boot and push the e key. It will allow you to edit the boot options.
• 1343[17:42:53] <quadrathoch2> unixbsd you want to disable the kernel module uas, so you could blacklist the module or move the file away from /lib/modules/5.9.0-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/
• 1344[17:43:01] <unixbsd> yeah I know grub well, but which parameter allows to disable it ?
• 1345[17:43:28] <unixbsd> ah ok
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• 1347[17:44:01] <quadrathoch2> unixbsd module_to_blacklist.blacklist=yes
• 1348[17:44:21] <unixbsd> uas.ko to get rid of...
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• 1350[17:45:11] <quadrathoch2> do one or the other, (I would blacklist ;) )
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• 1356[17:46:36] <tramplefoot> woo less than a year left until bullseye
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• 1358[17:49:42] <Franciman> tramplefoot, there is a news?
• 1359[17:50:38] <quadrathoch2> probably not Franciman
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• 1362[17:51:04] <Franciman> ah ok
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• 1364[17:51:37] <Jim52> test
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• 1366[17:51:39] <quadrathoch2> Franciman it's just that the freeze is near
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• 1369[17:52:38] <Franciman> oh ok, thanks
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• 1383[17:59:20] <opv> good evening everyone. i have wireguard running on a debian 10 box, and it seems to try to route all traffic through wg0, even though the default route is set to enp0s5
• 1384[17:59:28] <opv> where have i screwed this up?
• 1385[18:00:00] <quadrathoch2> opv probably in the config file of wg0, remove the private parts and post it to paste.debian.net
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• 1387[18:00:59] <Jim52> Comments
• 1388[18:01:01] <Jim52> 1. On Friday, September 2 2011, 10:29 by nils_2
• 1389[18:01:03] <Jim52> i am using:
• 1390[18:01:05] <Jim52> /set weechat.look.prefix_join " "
• 1391[18:01:07] <Jim52> /set weechat.look.prefix_quit " "
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• 1393[18:01:19] <opv> quadrathoch2: replaced-url
• 1394[18:01:36] <quadrathoch2> opv AllowedIPs = 0.0.0.0/0 this here ;)
• 1395[18:02:00] <quadrathoch2> this routes everything over wg0
• 1396[18:02:07] <opv> check
• 1397[18:02:21] <opv> thx
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• 1410[18:08:24] <angeleyes> Hello everyone
• 1411[18:08:32] <angeleyes> is it possible to create a deb and rpm package for different versions of opensuse, debian, etc. and for different architectures (arm, amd64, etc.) from ubuntu?
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• 1414[18:10:20] <quadrathoch2> angeleyes there is pbuilder for sure (ubuntu,debian). osc should cover suse and rhel afaik
• 1415[18:11:10] <angeleyes> Thank you. I'll read about this util
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• 1417[18:11:21] <znf> Hi.
• 1418[18:11:27] <jhutchins> ! freeze
• 1419[18:11:27] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'.
• 1420[18:11:39] <znf> I'm building a preseed file, which just includes: d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server
• 1421[18:11:45] <znf> Yet somehow I'm getting a desktop installed...
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• 1423[18:11:56] <znf> Is there a list of all the selections I can "unselect"?
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• 1464[18:54:34] <ice9> is Debian really used on the International Space Station laptops?
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• 1466[18:56:02] <quadrathoch2> ice9 it was, not anymore
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• 1472[18:57:24] <ice9> quadrathoch2, do you have any idea what are they using currently? and why did they leave Debian?
• 1473[18:58:26] <RhineDevil> Let's say I'm not using deb.debian.org but a mirror for the main debian repo. How could I get who this mirror is without getting confused with security or backports or third-party repos?
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• 1477[18:59:15] <quadrathoch2> ice9 they moved on to rhel, but no idea why
• 1478[18:59:50] <quadrathoch2> what do you mean RhineDevil
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• 1481[19:01:31] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, I wanna know from a script, in an unknown machine, what's using as main repo for packages. Which for buster could be `deb replaced-url
• 1482[19:02:14] <RhineDevil> My script shouldn't get confused with backports, security, recommended-updates or worse third party repos like wine one
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• 1484[19:02:24] <RoyK> quadrathoch2: got any reference of that move? I can't find anything
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• 1487[19:04:55] <znf> Can someone explain what the hell is this stupid preseed doing replaced-url
• 1488[19:05:02] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil why would it get confused with the other repos?
• 1489[19:05:05] <znf> and why it's installing a whole damn desktop
• 1490[19:05:08] <znf> when I'm not telling it go
• 1491[19:05:11] <quadrathoch2> RoyK looking right now, but I read it somewhere in the news
• 1492[19:05:12] <znf> it to*
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• 1496[19:13:00] <ice9> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
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• 1499[19:14:08] <Orxata_> Hi
• 1500[19:15:41] <Orxata_> I have a Lenovo laptop with NVIDIA and the propiertary drivers installed with UEFI enabled and signed
• 1501[19:15:45] <Orxata_> but the X won't start
• 1502[19:16:04] <Orxata_> the /etx/X11/X0rg.0.log says "No screens found"
• 1503[19:16:09] <Orxata_> could you help me?
• 1504[19:16:38] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: is there also another Intel or AMD GPU (hybrid graphics)?
• 1505[19:16:43] <Orxata_> yes
• 1506[19:16:56] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: replaced-url
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• 1508[19:17:48] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, because how could you know which repo is used for downloading debian or a debian derivate packages and which not?
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• 1510[19:18:24] <jmcnaught> Orxata_: for SecureBoot you might also need to sign the modules with your Machine Owner Key: replaced-url
• 1511[19:18:53] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil, because specific packages are only in specific repositories (except -updates and /updates), but for example backports will never be chosen (as long as you don't 'apt install -t buster-backports <package>)
• 1512[19:19:07] <quadrathoch2> ice9 yeah I saw that, but afaik that's already old news :/
• 1513[19:19:24] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, which packages should I search for?
• 1514[19:19:35] <Orxata_> jmcnaught: checking th NVIDIA Optimus; the modules are already signed, thank you
• 1515[19:19:40] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil depends on which you need oO?
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• 1517[19:20:10] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, don't need any package specifically, just need to pass a valid repo for debootstrap
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• 1520[19:21:18] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil replaced-url
• 1521[19:21:39] <quadrathoch2> if not choose replaced-url
• 1522[19:21:58] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, if I'm on debian and I want http. but what if I'm on devuan and I want https?
• 1523[19:22:13] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil idk? ask devuan people
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• 1525[19:22:16] <RhineDevil> That's why I wanted to search the repo currently used for download updates
• 1526[19:22:25] <quadrathoch2> idk about devuan
• 1527[19:22:32] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, replaced-url
• 1528[19:22:51] <RhineDevil> point is I don't know what's used in a machine
• 1529[19:22:52] <shtrb> !devuan
• 1530[19:22:52] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
• 1531[19:23:06] <RhineDevil> shtrb, it was an example
• 1532[19:23:15] <quadrathoch2> as I said earlier ask devuan people, as we don't know what they are doing
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• 1534[19:23:17] <znf> !preseed
• 1535[19:23:18] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
• 1536[19:23:29] <znf> extensive my ass
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• 1540[19:24:04] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, you probably don't guess what I'm meaning. What if the repo apt is using is a mirror?
• 1541[19:24:15] <RhineDevil> It's not ALWAYS deb.debian.org
• 1542[19:24:24] <RhineDevil> or an apt-cache-ng server
• 1543[19:24:35] <quadrathoch2> yes, that's why you choose your own mirror, apt is never choosing on its own
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• 1546[19:25:20] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, and I wanna know which mirror would apt use for downloading things necessary for debootstrap
• 1547[19:25:22] <jmcnaught> znf: maybe you could share your preseed.txt in a paste?
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• 1549[19:25:36] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil you need to specify the mirror?
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• 1551[19:26:02] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, yes
• 1552[19:26:15] <znf> jmcnaught, sure - replaced-url
• 1553[19:26:37] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil i still don't get you
• 1554[19:26:38] <RhineDevil> let's say I'd write `apt-get install --reinstall base-files`
• 1555[19:26:49] <quadrathoch2> in the chroot? or what
• 1556[19:26:59] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, in the main machine
• 1557[19:27:15] <RhineDevil> it will probably grab this package from the basic repo
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• 1559[19:27:24] <RhineDevil> not backports nor proposed-updates
• 1560[19:27:29] <jmcnaught> znf: paste doesn't work, can you use replaced-url
• 1561[19:27:40] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil yes?
• 1562[19:27:49] <RhineDevil> (unless in special cases like when devuan recently uploaded his one)
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• 1564[19:28:09] <quadrathoch2> can you just ask devuan people honestly?
• 1565[19:28:26] <quadrathoch2> as the normal debian install doesn't have proposed-updats
• 1566[19:28:31] <quadrathoch2> updates*
• 1567[19:28:39] <znf> sure replaced-url
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• 1569[19:30:58] <jmcnaught> znf: thanks. It's been a while since I preseeded, but why do you have multiple lines for tasksel? Why not just "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server"?
• 1570[19:31:08] <znf> because it didn't work
• 1571[19:31:49] <znf> I literally only had "d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server"
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• 1573[19:32:17] <znf> so I went with the suggested documentation, to use debconf
• 1574[19:32:29] <znf> and I grabbed anything tasksel/pkgsel out of there
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• 1577[19:33:44] <znf> replaced-url
• 1578[19:34:53] <znf> after I've installed this 10 times in the last 2 hours, I'm literally getting sick of it
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• 1583[19:37:15] <Orxata_> Didn't worked...
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• 1598[19:49:42] <diverdude> hi, i am using DEBIAN buster. I want to restart nginx service, but there is no systemctl command. What do i then do?
• 1599[19:51:34] <sponix> diverdude: that seems odd. give me a minute to fire up a Debian 10 VM
• 1600[19:52:02] <towo`> it has indeed, nginx-common: /lib/systemd/system/nginx.service
• 1601[19:52:45] <n4dir> probably "su" and then systemctl is not in the path.
• 1602[19:52:57] <jmcnaught> systemctl is in /bin not /sbin
• 1603[19:53:04] <short-bike> or you could try # /etc/init.d/nginx restart
• 1604[19:53:09] <n4dir> yeah, i wanted to put a ? there. thanks jmcnaught
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• 1606[19:54:19] <sponix> diverdude: seems others have already answered. I am able to "su" to root just fine and then do systemctl ssh restart (as I do not have nginx on this install )
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• 1608[19:55:28] <diverdude> aha ok thanks
• 1609[19:56:04] <diverdude> i used service....but for some reason the full container then stopped
• 1610[19:56:20] <jmcnaught> docker?
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• 1613[19:56:39] <diverdude> jmcnaught: yeah
• 1614[19:57:16] <jmcnaught> I was under the impression that you do not use systemd under docker, you have the container launch the nginx binary directly
• 1615[19:57:49] <diverdude> jmcnaught: yeah i am not sure what the practice is
• 1616[19:58:26] <jmcnaught> #docker might be a better place to ask
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• 1619[19:59:39] <sponix> might lead with Docker next time :)
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• 1681[20:43:53] <buhtz> Greatings to all of you.
• 1682[20:44:18] * buhtz has a simple question about how the netboot installer image works.
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• 1684[20:45:10] <quadrathoch2> buhtz just ask, so anybody who knows about it can answer
• 1685[20:46:09] <buhtz> The netboot image is flashed on a SD-card. I boot from that card and starting the installer. Can I install the Debian system to that SD-card while the installer (and its currently running Debian instance) was bootem from there? Does the netboot installer runs completly in the RAMdisk?
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• 1687[20:48:44] <quadrathoch2> buhtz nope, you would need a second device, as the sdcard is read throughout the install (a few times)
• 1688[20:50:45] <buhtz> Mhm... There is a USB-port and an SD-card slot. (No HDD for OS-install pressend). I would need the USB port for the keyboard. But I could boot the netimage from an USB-stick to install Debian to the SD-card. Can I do this via SSH shell to use a keyboard of another machine in the network?
• 1689[20:51:52] <quadrathoch2> buhtz afaik yes, as you can enable a ssh server during install (not sure if you can exchange the keyboard with the stick before detecting drives. but i imagine yes)
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• 1694[20:53:22] <buhtz> thanks a lot
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• 1696[20:53:59] * buhtz makes it to complex...
• 1697[20:54:30] <buhtz> Much esier: I have two free SATA ports. I boot the netinstall image from there to install Debain on the SD-card. Damn! :D
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• 1699[20:54:58] <quadrathoch2> buhtz welp, you could go way more complicated ;)
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• 1781[21:32:11] <velix> Can anyone with Debian knowledge help me on this? tl;dr chron: systemd vs. oldschool. replaced-url
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• 1783[21:34:22] <quadrathoch2> velix what does systemd integration have to do with cron oO
• 1784[21:35:33] <velix> quadrathoch2: Seems like you didn't visit the link :D
• 1785[21:35:38] <velix> I've explained it there ;)
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• 1789[21:38:10] <quadrathoch2> so what happens at 00:00 and 00:02?
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• 1791[21:40:02] <quadrathoch2> velix ^
• 1792[21:40:36] <velix> quadrathoch2: Systemd seems to start and stop it. But why does logrotate appear as a service AND as an oldschool cron file?
• 1793[21:40:45] <velix> According to cron, it should be started at 06:25
• 1794[21:41:13] <velix> Perhaps it's run at 00:00 *and* and 06:25? Need to investigate this
• 1795[21:42:04] <quadrathoch2> velix oO you listed timers, which is another cron alternative, so seems like you are running multiple instances of logrotate
• 1796[21:42:19] <sney> packages that existed before the systemd migration still have legacy config files or components sometimes. that *might* be part of what's happening here
• 1797[21:42:22] <velix> quadrathoch2: Nope. Fresh Debian system
• 1798[21:42:41] <velix> quadrathoch2: logrotate came with Apache or PHP I guess.
• 1799[21:42:53] <velix> sney: I never migrated on this system.
• 1800[21:43:02] <sney> not you, the *package*
• 1801[21:43:09] <quadrathoch2> velix so why write systemctl list-timers` says: at 00:00 (midnight) - reference 2 then?
• 1802[21:43:29] <sney> e.g. logrotate has probably been in debian for what, 15 years? non-systemd files would not be a surprise unless their presence specifically broke something
• 1803[21:43:52] <velix> quadrathoch2: Why not? Because it contains an entry for logrotate?
• 1804[21:44:02] <velix> I don't know which package has installed this.
• 1805[21:44:26] <velix> I'll try to investigate where either of this came from.
• 1806[21:44:52] <quadrathoch2> you do realize that systemd-timers is also a cron thing? it's not listing the crontab
• 1807[21:45:04] <jmcnaught> The anacron lines in /etc/crontab are testing if anacron exists, and only running run-parts on the /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} directories if it does not.
• 1808[21:46:17] <velix> quadrathoch2: Sigh. Don't you get the problem? There are TWO different "cron things" running logrotate.
• 1809[21:46:33] <quadrathoch2> yeah, probably cron and systemd-timers oO
• 1810[21:46:35] <velix> I wanted to figure out, when cron runs. So either at systemd's 00:00 or at cron's 06:25
• 1811[21:46:44] <velix> quadrathoch2: That would mess up hourly logging.
• 1812[21:46:53] <velix> And is a bug in my eyes.
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• 1814[21:47:37] <quadrathoch2> velix well logrotate doesn't normally use systemd-timers, so it was something else which messed it up _shrug_
• 1815[21:47:43] <jmcnaught> velix: 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) <--- only runs if anacron is not installed.
• 1816[21:47:58] <velix> jmcnaught: dpkg --list | grep -i anachron <-- empty
• 1817[21:48:07] <velix> oops ... "h"
• 1818[21:48:16] <velix> but it's also an empty result ;)
• 1819[21:48:36] <velix> jmcnaught: But does crontab still work then? Is it controlled by systemd now?
• 1820[21:48:51] <quadrathoch2> velix cron still works, and is independant from systemd
• 1821[21:49:10] <velix> quadrathoch2: Since anacron isn't existing on my system... who controls it?
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• 1823[21:49:18] <jmcnaught> controls what?
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• 1825[21:49:28] <velix> jmcnaught: who starts the cronjobs?
• 1826[21:49:41] <jmcnaught> cron
• 1827[21:50:15] <velix> So all the stuff in /etc/cron.daily isn't executed anymore, since there's no anacron?
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• 1829[21:51:45] <velix> oh wait, it IS run when anacron isn't installed, sorry.
• 1830[21:51:56] <velix> Okay, so this is the case. Then it should get executed.
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• 1832[21:52:00] <velix> So it really runs two times.
• 1833[21:52:24] <velix> Once by systemd on 00:00 and once by cron at 06:25 since anacron is missing.
• 1834[21:52:27] <quadrathoch2> velix this is what I tried to say
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• 1836[21:52:44] <velix> quadrathoch2: Versuch's auf Deutsch ;) Try it in German ;) Sorry, I'm not native.
• 1837[21:52:56] <velix> quadrathoch2: But in my eyes, this is an expected behaviour.
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• 1839[21:53:27] <quadrathoch2> velix what is expected behavior? that it runs twice?
• 1840[21:53:42] <velix> quadrathoch2: No, it should only run once.
• 1841[21:53:43] <jmcnaught> velix: did you read /etc/cron.daily/logrotate?
• 1842[21:54:08] <velix> jmcnaught: "skip in favour of systemd timer"?
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• 1844[21:54:31] <jmcnaught> velix: yes
• 1845[21:54:35] <velix> jmcnaught: Yeah, so all the stuff in cron.daily isn't executed anymore :/
• 1846[21:55:07] <jmcnaught> velix: in the case of logrotate it is happening on with the logrotate.timer unit instead
• 1847[21:55:24] <velix> jmcnaught: okay. got it now
• 1848[21:55:28] <velix> Sorry, my brain messed it up.
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• 1850[21:55:36] <velix> Thanks for explaination. I must have overseen the logic
• 1851[21:56:32] <jmcnaught> velix: the logic is a bit of a maze through several files
• 1852[21:56:58] <velix> But *normal* cron files are run at 6:25, aren't they? ;)
• 1853[21:57:05] <joro_> guys i just accidently typed rm -rf * in my home directory... any idea how to get it back
• 1854[21:57:10] <joro_> 2 min ago..
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• 1857[21:58:56] <jmcnaught> velix: at 6:25 if anacron does not exist then cron runs the scripts in /etc/cron.daily, some of which may test to see if a timer unit should be used instead (to prevent from running twice).
• 1858[21:59:30] <velix> jmcnaught: yep, got this logic now. Sorry for the noise.
• 1859[22:03:39] <jmcnaught> velix: no worries. Also note that in logrotate.timer there is AccuracySec=12h (see man systemd.timer)
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• 1861[22:09:04] <velix> jmcnaught: " Within this time window, the expiry time will be placed at a host-specific, randomized, but stable position that is synchronized between all local timer units. "
• 1862[22:09:50] <velix> I think I'll set a cron to star logrotate with a config file at EXACTLY 03:00
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• 1864[22:12:15] <velix> joro_: Boot from an interactive LIVE DVD and don't mount your FS as readable
• 1865[22:12:29] <velix> joro_: There are several distributions for your problem
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• 1867[22:13:16] <velix> jmcnaught: there are actually three different logrotate.timer on my system :D
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• 1870[22:13:41] <velix> "/etc/systemd/system/timers.target.wants/logrotate.timer", "/usr/lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer", "/var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/timers.target.wants/logrotate.timer"
• 1871[22:14:30] <velix> the first two have the same content. symlinks?
• 1872[22:14:45] <velix> yep :)
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• 1874[22:17:25] <jmcnaught> velix: I don't know what /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled is used for, but "man systemd.unit" tells you the order of priority for unit directories
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• 1881[22:22:16] <velix> jmcnaught: I've really set up my own cron now. I don't like randomness on a server.
• 1882[22:22:38] <velix> I want to have control over the stuff to not run into questions
• 1883[22:23:52] <jmcnaught> velix: sometimes the point of stuff like AccuracySec= is so that all servers don't do it at the same time. apt-daily.timer has RandomizedDelaySec=12h for example to make it so that all Debian installs are not doing it at exactly the same time.
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• 1885[22:24:52] <velix> jmcnaught: The problem is, I don't want to have it run at 09:30 when office is in progress ;)
• 1886[22:25:02] <velix> jmcnaught: Since it's random, it's possible.
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• 1937[23:05:13] <dob1> quadrathoch2, are you sure? look at the man
• 1938[23:06:11] * dvs looks at himself
• 1939[23:06:13] <dob1> quadrathoch2, sorry I was thinking you were talking about the option. There is the L, right. I just read some tutorial and the output was different
• 1940[23:09:08] <quadrathoch2> dob1 no issue ;) maybe I should have been more specific, as you typed 2 commands
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• 1965[23:35:24] <brelod> guys what are these messahes from debhelper? eg: 'debhelper changed mode on channel #debian (+l 1160)'
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• 1967[23:36:07] <sney> brelod: channel management stuff. that one sets a user limit so we can't be flooded by too many trolls at once
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• 1969[23:37:04] <brelod> So the current maximum joined users is 1160?
• 1970[23:37:12] <budlight> not trolls idlers per say lol
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• 1973[23:38:21] <sney> budlight: if >15 people all join #debian faster than the bot can adjust the limit, and it's not a netsplit recovery, it is almost certainly trolls/griefers
• 1974[23:38:43] <sney> brelod: yes.
• 1975[23:39:00] <brelod> cool, thanks
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