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2 [00:00:28] <jhutchins> Kobaz: Could be something in the chrome config, or pulseaudio could be blocking chrome.
3 [00:00:42] <jmcnaught> Kobaz: does it work in chromium itself? In Chrome and Slack does it let you set the microphone input to "default"? If it is set to default you can set which input to use in the Recording tab of pavucontrol.
4 [00:01:23] <Kobaz> haven't tried straight chromium
5 [00:01:45] <Kobaz> i think it does have to do with default
6 [00:01:58] <Kobaz> on the mic/webcam test it works fine
7 [00:02:18] <Kobaz> but like say facebook call, it opens up a 'frozen' window
8 [00:02:24] <Kobaz> which is the same thing slack does
9 [00:02:36] <Kobaz> it's just a dead window when it's trying to grab the mic
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11 [00:03:44] <Kobaz> I have analog stereo duplex as my profile
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46 [00:40:28] <solrize> hi i'm trying to install debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso on an old thinkpad with intel centrino wifi. it finds the wifi card during setup, asks for the wpa password, and gets to a screen that says "configure the network" where it just stays stuck. any suggestions?
47 [00:41:14] <sney> the live installer can be funky, try with the regular netinst
48 [00:41:17] <sney> !firmware image
49 [00:41:17] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
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51 [00:42:18] <solrize> hmm ok will try. though that makes it more complicated to install MATE etc. i think. will look thanks
52 [00:42:31] <sney> no, all desktop environments are available from all installers
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54 [00:43:18] <sney> the 'mate' label only indicates what is included with the iso. the netinstall menu will let you select whichever DE you want.
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56 [00:45:03] <solrize> oh nice, i guess i should get the bd (5.4gb) installer since i have enough disk space? it will just be for my mom's home computer though, i.e. browsing, word processing, that's about it
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58 [00:45:48] <sney> the big iso is overkill for a desktop. the installer files are sorted by popcon rating, so you'd have a lot of webserver and database stuff on there too. just use the netinst. it downloads the packages you want based on your choices in the installer.
59 [00:46:00] <solrize> ok looking
60 [00:46:30] <sney> it is this one replaced-url
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63 [00:47:25] <solrize> thanks i think i'm downloading that now
64 [00:47:33] <solrize> firmware-10.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
65 [00:47:45] <solrize> 391 MB
66 [00:47:52] <sney> yep
67 [00:47:56] <solrize> ok will try booting that thanks
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76 [01:00:06] <solrize> it's installing away, don't know yet if it will completely work but it's gotten much farther than last time, thanks. i'll try reinstalling my other machine this way too (the wifi on that one doesn't work at all but it's ok because i have ethernet for it)
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82 [01:01:33] <sney> solrize: np. there are a couple of wifi drivers that debian can't distribute the firmware for, so your other machine might be one of those. if so it's still possible to make it work post-install.
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90 [01:14:33] <solrize> sney it's working now, seems fine so far, although there was another thinkpad (different model) crashed now and then
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92 [01:14:44] <solrize> i mean where the wifi driver crashed now and then
93 [01:14:50] <solrize> so will see if this one holds up
94 [01:15:37] <solrize> weird that it works with the netinst but not the live cd. i will try reinstalling my other machine (i.e. the one i'm typing on now) from netinst . = copy off all the user files, install, restore, ugh. will take some hours. but it's ok
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97 [01:17:31] <solrize> anyway thanks all
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99 [01:17:51] <sney> you could swap the hdds
100 [01:18:18] <solrize> yeah that's an interesting idea. although this new one is my mom's machine so once she's using it i won't be able to mess with it too much
101 [01:18:30] <solrize> wonder if she'll ever figure out that it's not running windows ;)
102 [01:18:32] <sney> particularly on an older, bios/legacy install, the OS will not even notice that the hardware changed
103 [01:18:56] <solrize> the two machines (thinkpad t520 and x220) have very similar hardware
104 [01:19:40] <solrize> i gotta figure out an ansible script for desktops if i'm gonna do this so often. i have one for servers/vms but that's different
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110 [01:29:25] <scruloose> Is there anything like... ps but long-running so I can capture/log info (specifically PPID) about a process that appears briefly every once in a while? I have a list of PIDs I'm trying to identify.
111 [01:29:37] <sney> htop?
112 [01:29:51] <sney> or top, even. but htop is better and has filtering
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115 [01:31:01] <scruloose> Oh, yes, that sounds promising. I've only ever used top for interactive "who's eating all my CPU?" uses, didn't even think of it for logging.
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117 [01:33:51] <scruloose> abrotman: I think I was confused about the PPID I grabbed earlier. I was matching PIDs by eye from the full output of ps and I'm pretty sure that what I thought was a match was... not.
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120 [01:43:16] <deeplogic> the dragon has risen
121 [01:44:09] <abrotman> scruloose: seems like it is a kernel or systemd thread
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123 [01:46:43] <scruloose> abrotman: given that, any idea how I might identify which of the two, and what thread, and ideally find out where its configuration comes from so I can blacklist my automount mountpoints?
124 [01:46:56] <scruloose> I, um, realize I'm asking a lot.
125 [01:47:07] <scruloose> :/
126 [01:47:37] <abrotman> did you verify the PPID?
127 [01:49:24] <scruloose> Not so far. AFAICT, the least sucky way to do that is going to be a loop using ps and a long-ish list of PIDs to try and catch the damn thing in the act. But if that's the key piece of information I need, I guess I'll try that.
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129 [01:50:43] <scruloose> sney: looks like capturing htop's info to a file is... not a straightforward proposition: replaced-url
130 [01:53:28] <scruloose> Top with its limited filtering doesn't seem like it'll really be easier than running ps in a loop with a 1-second sleep and letting it go until it returns a match
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145 [02:05:29] <solrize> have an inotify on the relevant /proc entries?
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154 [02:21:39] <scruloose> solrize: hey, that seems much more elegant than the brute-force bash while loop I was writing...
155 [02:21:45] <Enissay> I am unable to make this alias work, the $1 is unknown in the subshell -actually it takes the value $2-, how to fix it ? `alias tst="echo $(cmd $1) $2"` ===> call: echo 11 22 ===> output: 11 22
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160 [02:25:40] <themill> Enissay: a complete and self-contained example is needed, I think. There's nowhere near enough info to know what you're actually doing or what you want. (You might also be better off asking in #bash in the end)
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166 [02:27:49] <Enissay> themill: thx ;-)
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168 [02:29:13] <themill> (#bash will still need an actual minimal example because there's no way of saying anything from what you've shown so far other than it would generate "bash: cmd: command not found")
169 [02:29:14] <maxrazer> Does anyone know where a file is copied to if I use trash on another drive? It don't see the file in ~/.local/share/Trash/files, but I do see it in the trash:/// in thunar file manager.
170 [02:30:12] <themill> maxrazer: have a look for a .Trash-$UID or similar in the topmost directory of the external media
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192 [03:02:36] <maxrazer> themill, Oh, actually there is a .Trash on that external media. The highlighting is all messed up for some reason on that drive.
193 [03:02:52] <maxrazer> .Trash-1000 is what it is called
194 [03:04:44] <maxrazer> Every drive will have its own .Trash and only on the system drive will it be in /.local...
195 [03:05:42] <maxrazer> Because you can't link across drives like that and you don't want to copy it to go to trash.
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198 [03:07:58] <themill> I've figured out the heuristic that decides if it's on the disk itself or in $HOME, but yes, that's the high level summary.
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246 [04:28:34] <kingsley> I'm surprised that searching for
247 [04:28:46] <kingsley> "debain" "symbolic regression"
248 [04:28:54] <kingsley> found no packages.
249 [04:29:28] <kingsley> Do you happen to know if we have one, or how I might search better?
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254 [04:35:37] <themill> kingsley: there are quite a few symbolic algebra packages. I don't think what I mean by regression and what you mean by regression are the same thing though. (also, typo in your search!)
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256 [04:38:39] <kingsley> themill: Thanks for the reality check. Especially for pointing out my typo.
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258 [04:40:14] <kingsley> Unfortunately, my fruitless searched spelled debian correctly, and I agree that symbolic algebra differs from symbolic regression.
259 [04:41:02] <themill> I come from a world where 'regression' means curve fitting.
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261 [04:42:03] <kingsley> My understanding is symbolic regression fits data, whereas symbolic algebra automates simplifying and otherwise rearranging mathematical symbols.
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263 [04:43:02] <themill> ah, so you do mean data fitting. Where does symbolic fit this -- you want to type an eqn and then fit its coefficients to some data?
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265 [04:46:49] <themill> For a GUI, I'd look at fityk, labplot, qtiplot for that. I'd likely just do it myself in python with a few lines of code though (using either a scipy regression package directly, or going via something like bumps depending on how stiff the maths is)
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268 [04:48:11] <kingsley> An example of how symbols fit in might be combining individual independent variables, often called X1, X2, etc... into higher order formulas with continuous output.
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270 [04:49:03] <kingsley> Maybe you could think of it as automating finding the best higher order polynomial terms.
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272 [04:49:35] <kingsley> For example:
273 [04:49:42] <themill> if it's explicitly polynomials you want then numpy has polyfit
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275 [04:50:42] <themill> I mentally classify this sort of stuff as being numerical methods not symbolic, however. We probably had different people teaching us maths :)
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277 [04:51:23] <kingsley> Yes, thanks. A cool thing about symbolic regression is it's not limited to just polynomial terms.
278 [04:51:54] <kingsley> A S-R package that was requested 2 years ago is
279 [04:51:56] <kingsley> replaced-url
280 [04:52:35] <themill> ah
281 [04:52:47] <kingsley> S-R apps often use genetic algorithms to explore combos.
282 [04:53:00] <themill> Maybe we can convince you to package some of these for debian :)
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376 [07:46:06] <sgo11> Which channel can I ask smartd questions? I just bought a "new" and very cheap hdd online. I used some kinda usb3.0 hdd box to connect PC. By running smartctl, I can see the following outputs "Error 4 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 19132 hours" and "Vendor (0xb0) Completed without error 00% 47354 hours". The complete output: replaced-url
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496 [10:02:23] <nkuttler> network? message?
497 [10:04:55] <sgo11> ok, no worries. Finally, I received a message.
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500 [10:08:38] <jelly> ,v smartmontools
501 [10:08:39] <judd> Package: smartmontools on amd64 -- jessie: 6.3+svn4002-2+b2; stretch: 6.5+svn4324-1; buster: 6.6-1; buster-backports: 7.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 7.1-1; sid: 7.1-1
502 [10:09:13] <jelly> sgo11: you probably got a refurbished device, not new
503 [10:09:43] <jelly> sgo11: see if this alternative smart tool shows more explanations
504 [10:09:46] <jelly> !hdsentinel
505 [10:09:46] <dpkg> A gratis but closed source <SMART> client with slightly more user-friendly output than <smartctl> and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and ARM at replaced-url
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507 [10:13:20] <sgo11> jelly: thanks a lot. I will try hdsentinel then.
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667 [12:53:32] <simplicius> Hello
668 [12:53:44] <simplicius> where can I find the source code of the "look" program?
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670 [12:55:02] <nkuttler> !source
671 [12:55:02] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
672 [12:55:25] <nkuttler> simplicius: add a source source, and then apt-get source <package>
673 [12:58:22] <simplicius> so I do apt-get source look
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675 [12:59:47] <nkuttler> simplicius: the package is not look
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677 [12:59:54] <jelly-home> judd: file bin/look
678 [12:59:57] <abff> it's probably bsdmainutils
679 [12:59:59] <judd> Search for bin/look in buster/amd64: bsdmainutils: usr/bin/look; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/look
680 [13:00:00] <nkuttler> simplicius: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which look))
681 [13:00:19] <nkuttler> that's assuming you only have one installed though
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683 [13:00:45] <simplicius> bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/look
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685 [13:01:13] <abff> it's bsdmainutils
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688 [13:03:47] <simplicius> so how can I download that specific utility?
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691 [13:05:20] <jelly-home> simplicius: you grab the source for the whole package, it's a single source tree.
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695 [13:06:30] <simplicius> apt-get look bsdmainutils ?
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697 [13:06:53] <jelly-home> simplicius: the command to get source is apt-get source packagename
698 [13:06:59] <shtrb> Do I understand correctly , that If I need a dbus service to run it should have a file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ so that dbus could start it (and it does not matter if a system user service with similar name is already running ) ?
699 [13:07:06] <jelly-home> !deb-src
700 [13:07:06] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
701 [13:07:19] <jelly-home> simplicius: ^ make sure youhave those enabled as well
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709 [13:14:24] <shtrb> sorry , my DE had crashed , did anyone answer about my dbus question ?
710 [13:14:44] <jelly> nope
711 [13:14:57] <shtrb> thanks jelly
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762 [14:21:41] <NetTerminalGene> i remember something like debian has some documentation for particular programs. which directory are they in?
763 [14:23:14] <nkuttler> NetTerminalGene: /usr/share/doc
764 [14:23:21] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: some tools have man pages. Some have info pages. Almost all packages have /usr/share/doc/packagename
765 [14:23:32] <jelly> !readme.debian
766 [14:23:32] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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768 [14:24:53] <NetTerminalGene> thanks
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778 [14:31:58] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, also apropos to find stuff
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789 [14:43:55] <hegemoOn> hello there i have a very weird issue, i just rebooted several servers
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791 [14:44:07] <hegemoOn> and one of them hasn't rebooted on the correct kernel
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793 [14:44:26] <hegemoOn> i was expecting 4.19.0.12 but uname -a reports 4.19.0.11
794 [14:44:51] <hegemoOn> more surprising, dpkg -l doesnt report any 4.19.0.11 kernel package on the system
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796 [14:45:12] <hegemoOn> and vmlinuz is point on boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0.12-amd64
797 [14:45:39] <hegemoOn> vmlinuz.old is pointing on vmlinuz-4.19.0.8-amd64
798 [14:45:53] <hegemoOn> so from where this 4.19.0.11 suddenly appears ?
799 [14:46:08] <hegemoOn> even in grub.cfg there isnt any reference to such a kernel.
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804 [14:47:58] <hegemoOn> have you seen such strange even before ?
805 [14:49:05] <shtrb> wrong mount point booted ?
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809 [14:50:02] <hegemoOn> interesting, i have an lvm /
810 [14:50:18] <hegemoOn> in raid1
811 [14:50:28] <hegemoOn> even for /boot
812 [14:50:39] <jelly> hegemoOn: physical or virtual machine?
813 [14:54:21] <hegemoOn> physical
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817 [14:56:15] <jelly> hegemoOn: pastebin the output of "uname -a" and "ls -la /boot" and "df" and "lsblk"
818 [14:56:19] <jelly> !paste
819 [14:56:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
820 [14:56:57] <jelly> oh, and "cat /proc/mdstat"
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824 [14:59:59] <hegemoOn> sadly i cannot past
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826 [15:00:24] <hegemoOn> blocked by corporate fw
827 [15:00:33] <jelly> can you screenshot?
828 [15:00:37] <hegemoOn> just tryed an update-grub
829 [15:00:39] <hegemoOn> yes will try
830 [15:01:02] <hegemoOn> i can
831 [15:01:04] <hegemoOn> :)
832 [15:01:16] <hegemoOn> wait for server rebooting
833 [15:01:36] <shtrb> you can base64 it , and upload it to paste.debian.net (for 1 hour for example) , we can then base64 decode the image
834 [15:02:01] <hegemoOn> well im homeoffice with citrix
835 [15:02:04] <hegemoOn> so i can screenshot
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838 [15:02:11] <hegemoOn> but not copy&paste
839 [15:02:25] <shtrb> screenshot -> ocr :D
840 [15:02:26] <hegemoOn> text from the citryx receiver
841 [15:02:30] <hegemoOn> shtrb::)
842 [15:02:39] <hegemoOn> (this looks like perl)
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846 [15:03:16] <hegemoOn> im waiting server to be back online (rebooted) takes some time to process all hp boot routines
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848 [15:06:24] <hegemoOn> here it is replaced-url
849 [15:08:14] <hegemoOn> hum
850 [15:08:24] <hegemoOn> md0 seems to have only one member
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862 [15:17:13] <jelly> hegemoOn: your system booted from the outdated member disk, you're lucky it booted at all :-)
863 [15:17:50] <shtrb> how is that even possible ? shouldn't it just fail ?
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866 [15:18:26] <jelly> should what just fail?
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869 [15:19:14] <jelly> should grub fail to find block device?
870 [15:19:30] <jelly> for its root= ?
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877 [15:21:42] <hegemoOn> ok i fixed the raid
878 [15:21:51] <hegemoOn> and now it booted on 4.19.0.12
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880 [15:23:14] <hegemoOn> thanks all for your helps :)
881 [15:23:19] <hegemoOn> jelly and shtrb
882 [15:23:50] <hegemoOn> will run a massive ansible cmd on whole plateform :)
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884 [15:23:54] <hegemoOn> to check raid status
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887 [15:27:09] <jelly> hegemoOn: mdadm package has a cron job that can notify you when an array is not in optimal state
888 [15:27:40] <jelly> it should be enabled by default, but perhaps you don't have cron or don't have mail delivery from servers
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890 [15:28:41] <jelly> or add a check to your monitoring system setup for each system
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893 [15:32:59] <hegemoOn> yes will try to improve that, those setup are quite specific
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895 [15:33:07] <hegemoOn> so will liaise with client on this topic
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939 [16:17:17] <JordiGH> Are any of you running unstable? Blender on stable backports crashes on this file. I wonder if Blender from unstable also crashes. replaced-url
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944 [16:21:09] <Brigo> what hapenned with judd?
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948 [16:22:56] <Brigo> JordiGH, just check for bugs. Sadly judd (a bot that you can use for checking bugs) is out of comision.
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951 [16:23:37] <Brigo> JordiGH, here: replaced-url
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981 [16:37:18] <epitamizor> I ran these commands...replaced-url
982 [16:37:49] <epitamizor> anyone know how to setup lvm volume from 3 diffrent partitions?
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984 [16:40:59] <jelly> epitamizor: you have two issues here. First, don't format volumes to be used for PV in advance. Second, lvm avoids using loop devices by default, that's what lines 12-14 are saying.
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986 [16:41:32] <JordiGH> Brigo: My bug isn't there, do you see it?
987 [16:41:53] <JordiGH> Also, I don't really care if the BTS has the bug recorded. I just want to know if it's still there in unstable.
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990 [16:42:35] <jelly> epitamizor: if you want to use those when trying things out, add loop devices to filter = in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf
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993 [16:43:09] <epitamizor> jelly, the loop devices were meant to restrict the volume size
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995 [16:43:46] <greycat> ... what
996 [16:44:18] <greycat> if you're trying to use only *part* of a disk in your LVM universe, just make partitions, and then use the partitions instead of the entire disk
997 [16:44:19] <jelly> epitamizor: lvm ignores devices named /dev/loop* as potential PVs, by default
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1001 [16:46:05] <epitamizor> greycat, this is just a temporary measure though
1002 [16:46:10] <JordiGH> Yeah, so any of you on unstable who could do me that favour?
1003 [16:46:15] <JordiGH> Install blender, load that file.
1004 [16:46:30] <jelly> !debian-next
1005 [16:46:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
1006 [16:46:49] <jelly> JordiGH: ^ -next will have more users on unstable
1007 [16:46:53] <JordiGH> Fine, I'll bugger off somewhere else.
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1009 [16:47:51] <jelly> good, but hopefully that specific elsewhere
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1017 [16:58:05] <epitamizor> jelly, I added the directories to lvm.conf, but pvcreate is stating they are still not found?
1018 [16:58:13] <jelly> epitamizor: directories?
1019 [16:58:21] <jelly> not found?
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1021 [16:58:54] <jelly> epitamizor: read at least the comments about filter = syntax
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1026 [17:00:25] <epitamizor> jelly, I know, i got rid of the loop devices, and using pvcreate against the 'onegigvirtual' files
1027 [17:00:51] <jelly> lvm tools work on block devices, not files
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1029 [17:01:04] <jelly> you were on the right track with /dev/loop*
1030 [17:01:14] <epitamizor> i used dd to create the block devices
1031 [17:01:29] <jelly> no you didn't, you created files.
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1034 [17:01:48] <jelly> files and block devs behave differently
1035 [17:01:57] <jelly> that's why /dev/loop* exists at all
1036 [17:02:31] <epitamizor> oh, so use the other path associated with the loop
1037 [17:03:41] <jelly> if you created a file and named it /dev/sdc it still would not work
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1042 [17:10:50] <JordiGH> Hm, so apparently unstable blender doesn't crash.
1043 [17:10:56] <JordiGH> I guess I could attempt my own backport.
1044 [17:11:44] <JordiGH> What was the bot command to check if a backport was feasible?
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1047 [17:12:42] <jelly> ,checkbackport
1048 [17:12:53] <jelly> jud... $#@%^^
1049 [17:13:07] <greycat> who stole judd
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1052 [17:15:14] <alex11> maybe it needs an argument?
1053 [17:15:20] <alex11> ,checkbackport systemd
1054 [17:15:27] <greycat> no, the bot is not here
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1059 [17:16:42] <shtrb> Normally what should be done with seccomp (firefox ) violations ? and how to fix it ?
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1064 [17:20:32] <jelly> ,checkbackport
1065 [17:20:33] <judd> (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <amd64>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and amd64 are used.
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1068 [17:22:02] <shtrb> jelly, was that for me ?
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1070 [17:24:17] <jelly> no, someone asked for the bot command that checks whether a backport is doable
1071 [17:24:41] <shtrb> oh thanks
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1083 [17:35:34] <epitamizor> jelly, the top of man page says the pvcreate can create against loop devices
1084 [17:35:57] <epitamizor> jelly, so what is the issue with it not being found?
1085 [17:37:39] <jelly> epitamizor: you need to make lvm accept loop devices to add them to a VG
1086 [17:37:58] <jelly> epitamizor: did you add them to filter = in lvm.conf?
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1089 [17:40:38] <epitamizor> jelly, ya, but now im gettin replaced-url
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1094 [17:44:01] <jelly> epitamizor: apparently you did not use correct syntax for filter =
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1097 [17:44:47] <jelly> there are several examples in lvm.conf
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1099 [17:47:54] <epitamizor> not sure what the issue is, is there some other way to setup that?
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1101 [17:49:00] <epitamizor> all i need to setup is a quota on a file within each partion and aggregate the files to write too
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1104 [17:51:07] <jelly> epitamizor: show your lvm.conf
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1108 [17:54:26] <epitamizor> replaced-url
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1111 [17:57:06] <jelly> epitamizor: there can only be one filter = line
1112 [17:57:41] <jelly> you could leave just line 137 uncommented, if you do not use LVM otherwise
1113 [18:00:17] <epitamizor> tried running pvcreate with just the one line and only 137 line, but same error is showing
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1116 [18:03:41] <epitamizor> ran vgscan also and no change
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1124 [18:07:38] <jelly> epitamizor: well, I don't see how you could get the same error if the only filter setting is the one on line 137.
1125 [18:08:13] <jelly> epitamizor: can you filter out all the comments and show just the uncommented lines?
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1128 [18:08:44] <epitamizor> ya i had a script that does that
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1130 [18:10:27] <jelly> epitamizor: grep -nvE $'^[ \t]*#|^$' /etc/lvm/lvm.conf
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1148 [18:20:49] <JordiGH> ,checkbackport blender
1149 [18:20:57] <judd> Backporting package blender in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
1150 [18:21:24] <JordiGH> ;_;
1151 [18:21:43] <JordiGH> Maybe there's an app image or something.
1152 [18:21:57] <alex11> it's definitely in flatpak
1153 [18:22:05] <alex11> which is probably easier than backporting
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1167 [18:35:31] <epitamizor> jelly, replaced-url
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1179 [18:48:51] <jelly> epi... okay.
1180 [18:48:56] <Sayori3> Hi
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1206 [19:30:20] <smashgrab> General question: Is it better to install gnome-shell extensions from debian repo or from extensions.gnome.org?
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1209 [19:30:49] <Fromhell> hallo
1210 [19:30:58] <Fromhell> some one can help
1211 [19:31:02] <sney> !what
1212 [19:31:03] <dpkg> What package are you having trouble with? What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen?
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1214 [19:31:17] <Fromhell> replaced-url
1215 [19:31:53] <sney> smashgrab: debian packages will have security updates, if relevant. I would use the debian packages except if you need an extension that isn't packaged.
1216 [19:32:47] <quadrathoch2> smashgrab I would rather grab the debian ones, as they get updated through apt, extensions.gnome.org you would need to remember to regularly check yourself
1217 [19:33:21] <smashgrab> I was hoping there was some oversight on the debian packaged ones and not just an old version with no intervention. Sounds like there is.
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1219 [19:33:53] <smashgrab> thx
1220 [19:34:14] <jmcnaught> Fromhell: "Error loading certificates from /etc/cockpit/ws-certs.d: Error opening directory ?/etc/cockpit/ws-ce…"
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1222 [19:35:19] <Fromhell> jmcnaught what i must do
1223 [19:35:46] <sney> Fromhell: what have you done so far? and what is your goal?
1224 [19:36:34] <jmcnaught> Fromhell: there seems to be documentation about TLS certificates in "man cockpit-ws"
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1226 [19:36:44] <Fromhell> root@fromhell:/etc# systemctl stop cockpit
1227 [19:36:44] <Fromhell> Warning: Stopping cockpit.service, but it can still be activated by:
1228 [19:36:44] <Fromhell> cockpit.socket
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1230 [19:40:35] <Fromhell> jmcnaught ?
1231 [19:42:05] <jmcnaught> Fromhell: socket units listen on a socket or port and will start the associated service unit when accessed. You can read about that here, but it is unrelated to your certificates issue: replaced-url
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1234 [19:44:11] <jmcnaught> Fromhell: the original error from your paste indicates that the cockpit web service is having trouble accessing certificates in /etc/cockpit/ws-certs.d/ which could be because they do not exist, or a permission error. I only briefly glanced at "man cockpit-ws", did you take a look?
1235 [19:44:21] <shtrb> Do I understand correctly , that If I need a dbus service to run it should have a file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ so that dbus could start it, and it does not matter if a system user service with similar name is already running ?
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1247 [19:54:59] <RhineDevil> Could someone backport wine 5.0? Seems every dependency it needs is backported already
1248 [19:55:31] <Fromhell> jmcnaught yes i look
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1250 [19:57:02] <alex11> winehq maintains a repository for it
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1255 [20:01:48] <quadrathoch2> RhineDevil as alex11 said, just use the winehq repository.
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1260 [20:03:50] <scruloose> You know what turns out to be surprisingly hard? Capturing process info for a short-lived process based only on its name & PID appearing in the free text part of journald entries :/
1261 [20:04:03] <RhineDevil> quadrathoch2, alex11 that's one more reason for keeping it updated if someone already does the packaging for you
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1264 [20:04:57] <alex11> i'm not sure where to request backports
1265 [20:05:24] <jmcnaught> scruloose: I was thinking about your problem yesterday and found "atop" which seems to have a daemon that records processes. I have not used it myself though.
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1270 [20:06:36] <scruloose> jmcnaught: Thanks; I did eventually hack together something that worked. I was just ... rather surprised at how much advanced shell trickery was involved.
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1272 [20:07:44] <RhineDevil> me neither alex11
1273 [20:09:22] <shtrb> jmcnaught, by any chance you or any other person have a clue about the relation of user services for dbus services ?
1274 [20:09:46] <jmcnaught> shtrb: not really, what are you trying to do?
1275 [20:10:17] <scruloose> What worked was using journalctl -f to get live updates, pipe that into a monstrous grep regex to isolate the PID, pipe that into a while read loop which does a mkdir "$pid"; cp /proc/"$pid"/status "$pid" ...
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1277 [20:10:43] <shtrb> Trying to understand why dbus services (in packages) exist both in /usr/share/dbus-1/services and in /etc/systemd/user/ (buleseye )
1278 [20:10:45] <scruloose> All of which doesn't do anything useful until you figure out how to disable buffering for the whole pipeline
1279 [20:10:58] <shtrb> jmcnaught , Trying to understand why dbus services (in packages) exist both in /usr/share/dbus-1/services and in /etc/systemd/user/ (buleseye )
1280 [20:11:12] <greycat> scruloose: easiest way is to drop the grep and use the shell to do the parsing
1281 [20:11:32] <greycat> but sure, if you're married to grep, you can find an option to turn off grep's buffered output
1282 [20:12:21] <scruloose> In related news, today I learned that launching bash with stdbuf gives you a shell in which all commands inherit those stdbuf options.
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1284 [20:13:06] <scruloose> greycat: Huh! I... didn't know you could do that kind of parsing in the shell itself.
1285 [20:13:52] <scruloose> bash is *weird*
1286 [20:14:09] <shtrb> you just need use some perl ,and everything would be great
1287 [20:14:18] <greycat> Depends on the input. If it's field-oriented, you can just use "read" to grab the field you want. If you need a regex with capturing, bash has those too.
1288 [20:14:37] <greycat> Or, yes, you could use perl instead.
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1292 [20:17:08] <Fromhell> jmcnaught not hekp me , same mistake
1293 [20:17:29] <shtrb> scruloose, Perl is just the tool for text based parsing , next in my opnion are awk , grep , sed and python
1294 [20:17:39] <scruloose> The perl approach suffers from the drawback that I don't know *any* perl.
1295 [20:17:52] <ratrace> sufficiently advanced perl oneliners are indistinguishable from magick.
1296 [20:17:59] <greycat> bash is adequate here, as long as you aren't processing *too* many lines
1297 [20:18:04] <greycat> not great, but it'll do
1298 [20:18:38] <shtrb> scruloose, then stick to what you feel comfortable to , really complex stuff can be done by grep , sed and awk
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1300 [20:19:42] <scruloose> Luckily, the number of lines involved in this little project is like 20 (not counting duplicates)
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1304 [20:22:15] <jmcnaught> shtrb: I do not know a lot about this, but I was just reading replaced-url
1305 [20:22:55] <jmcnaught> Fromhell: I do not know what you tried.
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1309 [20:24:15] <shtrb> jmcnaught, what I do not understand is WHY the user unit service is required
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1313 [20:25:57] <scruloose> As it turns out, the mystery processes triggering my automounts ("pool" and (gvfs-udisks2-vo") both have PPID 3141, whose name is systemd according to /proc/3141/status
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1316 [20:27:04] <scruloose> All of which leads me to suspect that if I can configure a blacklist, it'll be somewhere in XFCE's gvfs settings.
1317 [20:27:24] <jmcnaught> shtrb: so it can be managed by "systemctl --user …"?
1318 [20:27:26] <shtrb> jmcnaught, I used this replaced-url
1319 [20:27:53] <shtrb> jmcnaught, but why would anyone would like to use it if it's activated on demand by dbus ?
1320 [20:28:55] <greycat> "on demand" is one of the big design goals for systemd
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1322 [20:29:03] <scruloose> though that might be only half the problem, if "pool" is, like, built-in systemd stuff.
1323 [20:29:17] <alex11> what package name is go in debian, golang?
1324 [20:29:18] <shtrb> if I have org.foo.bar service , why would a user (what flow) would like to start such a service ?
1325 [20:29:28] <alex11> nvm
1326 [20:29:30] <alex11> yes it is
1327 [20:29:42] <greycat> shtrb: we can't possibly guess what the service does from that name
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1330 [20:30:26] <shtrb> greycat, that was in the context of the dbus question , I try to understand why would anyone like to start manually something that is activated by dbus
1331 [20:31:01] <ratrace> shtrb: are you confusing the existence of a service unit with an intent to start it "manually"?
1332 [20:31:21] <shtrb> ratrace, probably
1333 [20:33:17] <scruloose> shtrb: systemd services are often triggered automatically by timer units, socket units, all sorts of mechanisms that are part of systemd...
1334 [20:33:22] <ratrace> dbus activation is just one of ways to start a program (a "service") and have it managed by SD
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1336 [20:34:24] <shtrb> oh , sorry for my stupidity , timers and sockets to trigger, I was very dbus centric thinking about it
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1338 [20:35:08] <scruloose> shtrb: not stupid. There's a *lot* of complexity in systemd.
1339 [20:36:03] <shtrb> thanks jmcnaught , scruloose , ratrace , greycat
1340 [20:36:31] <shtrb> wow sorry , I will not mention nicks anymore :-(
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1342 [20:37:30] <ratrace> scruloose: I think you meant to say functionality (and complexity as one of consequences)
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1344 [20:38:02] <scruloose> shtrb: um? It didn't cause anything annoying to happen on my end...
1345 [20:38:30] <shtrb> join me at #debian-offtopic , I don't wish to get banned all of a sudden
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1350 [20:40:15] <scruloose> ratrace: you're not wrong. But damn, it presents some learning curve.
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1352 [20:41:29] <ratrace> that it does.
1353 [20:42:23] <ratrace> but it's worth learning. the functionality it provides, the way it provides, is currently without an alternative in GNU/Linux world
1354 [20:44:19] <scruloose> ratrace: Oh, it's true. I'm constantly impressed with the things it makes possible, and even easy, once you learn enough of its paradigm and language to get going...
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1357 [20:46:05] <scruloose> It wasn't meant as an anti-systemd comment, just acknowledging that seeing how the many interlocking parts of systemd work is... not obvious or easy at first
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1390 [21:14:37] <n4dir> assuming you need that functionality
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1407 [21:30:39] <ratrace> well I, for one, do.
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1423 [21:53:43] <scruloose> Update: i haven't tested this yet, but I suspect that the background polling processes hammering my automount may be a side-effect of locating the automount under /media (which I *did* have a reason for, I swear)
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1465 [22:37:31] <sney> the "no, seriously" bad blocks test is too much for the pi, eh?
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1499 [23:19:39] <maxrazer> Has anyone tried zpaq and lzip compression?
1500 [23:19:59] <maxrazer> offtopic
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1502 [23:21:19] <jhutchins> maxrazer: I'd rate that as marginal, and it's not like you're overwriting a heavy troubleshooting session.
1503 [23:21:32] <jhutchins> maxrazer: I think lzip has been around for a while.
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1510 [23:35:33] <alex11> i'm trying to compile replaced-url
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1516 [23:36:28] <alex11> i see they have a help channel; i'll ask there instead
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1520 [23:36:38] <sney> alex11: looks like the 'go' binary isn't in your path?
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1523 [23:36:54] <sney> this can pretty much only mean one thing: /bin/sh: 1: go: not found
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1528 [23:37:22] <alex11> well, i installed golang-1.13 from apt
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1530 [23:38:00] <sney> and did it give you a 'go' command?
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1533 [23:38:06] <sney> ,file bin/go
1534 [23:38:06] <darkdrgn2k3> im tryuing to get repeating-paylod working with iperf3
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1537 [23:38:10] <judd> Search for bin/go in buster/amd64: gccgo-go: usr/bin/go; golang-go: usr/bin/go; golang-1.11-go: usr/lib/go-1.11/bin/go
1538 [23:38:24] <sney> alex11: ^
1539 [23:38:30] <alex11> doesn't seem to
1540 [23:38:34] <alex11> not sure how to get it
1541 [23:38:40] <darkdrgn2k3> i installed "iperf3_3.9-1_amd64.deb." but still says its unrecognized even though MAN page shows " --repeating-payload
1542 [23:38:40] <darkdrgn2k3> "
1543 [23:38:54] <alex11> ii golang-1.13-go
1544 [23:39:00] <alex11> so i have that
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1546 [23:39:33] <sney> alex11: ok, so you see that path in judd's message? you'll need to put that in your PATH variable or maybe call it directly
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1548 [23:40:16] <alex11> is it a bug that something installed via apt isn't in my path?
1549 [23:40:48] <sney> the go team probably has a reason to package it that way.
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1551 [23:41:04] <sney> you might check the changelog or readme.debian for more info
1552 [23:41:06] <sney> !readme.debian
1553 [23:41:06] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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1558 [23:41:59] <alex11> it doesn't, annoyingly
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1560 [23:42:11] <alex11> i'll send them an email i guess
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