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• 79[01:43:50] <Subsentient> How is i386 support holding up? Healthy bunch of maintainers? Or can I expect it to EOL next release?
• 80[01:44:25] <alex11> no, it should be around for a long while
• 81[01:45:35] <Subsentient> Think so? Are you a maintainer for Debian?
• 82[01:46:10] <Subsentient> Just dug out an old Acer netbook with an i686 Atom, want to breathe new life into it and give it to my mother. It's running Fedora, which, as you know, killed i686 support.
• 83[01:46:20] <ectospasm> Debian supports more architectures than any other distribution I've seen. Debian support for x86 is not going away any time soon.
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• 85[01:46:55] <ectospasm> If you really want a maintainer to respond, ask on #debina@oftc
• 86[01:47:08] <ectospasm> Subsentient:^
• 87[01:47:22] <Subsentient> Well that's a relief. I believe you. Thanks. :^)
• 88[01:48:36] <ectospasm> Now, you may find certain packages aren't available, or have different bug profiles than the amd64 versions. YMMV, but it sounds like your mom would be happy with Debian.
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• 90[01:49:59] <ectospasm> I bet that Acer's power supply would die before Debian failed on you.
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• 92[01:57:05] <Heart_And_Chops> is there some way i could convert a debian install into a fresh install? like a factory reset/restore feature, without doing it via the installer usb. i don't have physical access to this machine until next monday so I can't do a physical installer usb at the moment.
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• 95[01:58:37] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: Is there a strict need? Sounds like an amazing way to lock yourself out.
• 96[01:58:51] <Heart_And_Chops> can't for the life of me get packetfence to install
• 97[01:59:21] <mason> That also seems like a good way to get locked out.
• 98[01:59:34] <mason> I'd just not tempt fate, honestly.
• 99[01:59:44] <Heart_And_Chops> what installing packetfence?
• 100[02:00:12] <mason> I'm not familiar with packetfence but a quick look suggests it's firewallish.
• 101[02:00:14] <Heart_And_Chops> its not a firewall, its a captive portal + radius
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• 104[02:00:45] <mason> Captive portal without a firewall? Anyway, debugging that probably shouldn't require a fresh install.
• 105[02:01:06] <mason> Maybe toss up errors you're seeing onto bpaste.net or similar...?
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• 107[02:03:16] <Heart_And_Chops> yeah, it crashes in the installer on the weirdest thing. the installer gets stuck hanging on packetfence-mariadb trying to load, and it says it can't open a configuration file. but the file exists, and the permissions are correct.
• 108[02:03:23] <Heart_And_Chops> i even found a thread online with someone with the exact same problem
• 109[02:03:24] <Heart_And_Chops> replaced-url
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• 112[02:03:34] <Heart_And_Chops> but it just ends in silence without a solution last summer
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• 114[02:04:04] <Heart_And_Chops> the only difference i can think with the permissions is that his suggested persissions have a . at the end of them like -rw-r--r--. where as mine are just -rw-r--r--
• 115[02:04:13] <Heart_And_Chops> i think this is in reference to an ACL
• 116[02:04:20] <Heart_And_Chops> but i don't know how to add that dot
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• 118[02:06:35] <mason> Hrm. I don't think the dot is a thing. Closest I see to that existing is this from chmod(1): '[ugoa]*([-+=]([rwxXst]*|[ugo]))+|[-+=][0-7]+'.
• 119[02:07:33] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: could be an AppArmor thing.
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• 121[02:08:10] <Heart_And_Chops> replaced-url
• 122[02:08:32] <mason> Hey, look at that. I've learned something.
• 123[02:09:27] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: It'd be odd if you had SELinux on Debian, though. I wonder if it also shows up for AppArmor context.
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• 125[02:10:44] <Heart_And_Chops> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 128[02:11:46] <Heart_And_Chops> actually managed to get the installer to complete that time by stopping the hung service, but it still won't start:replaced-url
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• 130[02:12:27] <Heart_And_Chops> replaced-url
• 131[02:12:46] <mason> seems unhappy from here
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• 133[02:13:07] <Heart_And_Chops> dpaste is hating on me
• 134[02:13:08] <Heart_And_Chops> replaced-url
• 135[02:13:28] <mason> requires javascript - maybe bpaste.net?
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• 138[02:16:49] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: getfattr(1) might be useful, and if this is a holdover from a system with SELinux or something, you can probably remove the context with setfattr(1). replaced-url
• 139[02:17:22] <mason> But either way, that's the thing to chase down, I imagine.
• 140[02:17:33] <Heart_And_Chops> nah i give up. gonna format the box on monday
• 141[02:17:47] <Heart_And_Chops> thanks for your help
• 142[02:17:50] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: Depending on how that security context showed up, it might bite you again.
• 143[02:18:21] <mason> Heart_And_Chops: Before giving up, maybe try setfattr -x security.selinux mariadb.conf
• 144[02:18:28] <mason> If you're going to blow it all away, can't hurt.
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• 174[03:01:16] <zumba_addict> I ran dmesg as root and I got this error `dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted`
• 175[03:01:34] <alex11> zumba_addict, try with su - instead of su
• 176[03:01:56] <alex11> !buster su
• 177[03:01:56] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 178[03:02:49] <zumba_addict> sorry, I was in the wrong server
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• 212[03:59:58] <KNERD> What's going on with the mirrors in Mexico? Both shown are offline
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• 214[04:03:38] <derpadmin> too much tequilla?
• 215[04:04:00] <derpadmin> but seriously... odd
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• 217[04:04:10] <derpadmin> which companies offer these mirrors?
• 218[04:04:13] <derpadmin> maybe ping them?
• 219[04:04:15] <alex11> lol derpadmin
• 220[04:04:21] <KNERD> yeah...they all had too much. They been offline for days
• 221[04:04:36] <Blockah> -ChanServ- [you_have_got_to_be_kidding] Hi, you should probably read the network policy page (##replaced-url
• 222[04:04:41] <Blockah> That's the last time I join #sex
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• 224[04:05:28] <KNERD> replaced-url
• 225[04:05:39] <KNERD> can anyone else reach them?
• 226[04:06:32] <Blockah> I'll look
• 227[04:06:44] <Blockah> You can always use up or down too btw
• 228[04:06:49] <Blockah> For when yer loyal friends are away or asleep
• 229[04:07:00] <derpadmin> ftp.mx.debian.org. 600 IN CNAME mmc.geofisica.unam.mx.
• 230[04:07:00] <derpadmin> mmc.geofisica.unam.mx. 7200 IN A 132.248.182.159
• 231[04:07:06] <derpadmin> they are the same
• 232[04:07:07] <jmcnaught> !deb.debian.org
• 233[04:07:08] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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• 235[04:07:23] <KNERD> Oh, I had not even relazed that
• 236[04:07:25] <Blockah> replaced-url
• 237[04:07:56] <Blockah> God I love apple snitzel
• 238[04:08:11] <KNERD> ham is better
• 239[04:08:19] <Blockah> Pig? Seriously? PIG?
• 240[04:09:00] <CrystalMath> i believe it's called "pork"
• 241[04:09:06] <Blockah> 1. You have no heart, babe was awesome, 2. Pig is the most banned product in nearly all religions for a good reason, It's pig. aka 'pork' CrystalMath
• 242[04:09:25] <CrystalMath> there's no good reason in any of those religions
• 243[04:09:33] <Blockah> But in my counter claim, Pork and Fork are related
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• 245[04:09:49] <CrystalMath> all religions just have arbitrary stuff they claim without evidence, and it's all pointless
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• 247[04:10:13] <Blockah> It certainly isn't pointless if you realize what actual type of book books are and how they are meant to be read when translated
• 248[04:10:17] <Blockah> Here buy my book on it
• 249[04:10:28] <Blockah> >:P
• 250[04:10:33] <CrystalMath> sorry, not a fan of those books
• 251[04:10:45] <Blockah> As if a real God would leave a book
• 252[04:10:50] <CrystalMath> but i do like The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
• 253[04:10:54] <Blockah> A real god would leave a gaming console that lasted forever
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• 255[04:11:09] <Blockah> Oh that thing about monkeys and eternal probability? Yeah I've never read it
• 256[04:11:22] <Blockah> Gematria is interesting though -- if we ever need some 'mathematical evidence' that holds weight :P
• 257[04:11:39] <derpadmin> last time I opened that book, random first page I picked told me I would not have access to paradise.
• 258[04:11:39] <Blockah> Notice I used the word 'interesting though'
• 259[04:11:47] <Blockah> derpadmin, It was a bad day
• 260[04:11:49] <Blockah> Lol
• 261[04:11:53] <CrystalMath> derpadmin: try again :P
• 262[04:12:02] <derpadmin> so I replied to the book, very well, you wont have access to my shelve
• 263[04:12:07] <Blockah> You can literally make the bible say anything
• 264[04:12:08] <Blockah> So there's that
• 265[04:12:14] <derpadmin> /bin/trahs
• 266[04:12:16] <Blockah> The sooner you realize that Rick and Morty are correct, you'll start living
• 267[04:12:16] <CrystalMath> derpadmin 1, book 0
• 268[04:12:31] <Blockah> /bin/2-da-trolls
• 269[04:13:40] <Blockah> I simply think from my observations of the universal structure and laws, (gravity), intertia, etc etc you'd have to be quite a denial artist to claim there is no designer or creator
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• 271[04:14:11] <Blockah> Simply saying all variations exist and all possibilities exist and things just improve over time in certain times and conditions, is almost as bad as, 'God did everything'
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• 273[04:14:30] <Blockah> Next snitzel!
• 274[04:15:19] <Blockah> The only difference is, God actually exists and you'll all probably never meet him in this life -time, and yet he's neared than yer next breathe and by he I mean it, and by it, I mean *
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• 276[04:17:10] <Blockah> I'm just shitting ya
• 277[04:17:16] <Blockah> God is actually logically yer imagination
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• 279[04:17:31] <Blockah> Even all religions were made from books and books came from Imagination
• 280[04:17:37] <Blockah> Even if Jesus was real, what did he use? His imagination
• 281[04:17:38] * Blockah shrugs
• 282[04:17:54] <Blockah> CrystalMath, No religion topics please
• 283[04:18:11] <Blockah> My second snitzzell fell down the freaking oven
• 284[04:18:17] <Blockah> Glad I had prepared 3 earlier...
• 285[04:18:25] * Blockah kicks dirt
• 286[04:19:05] <themill> Blockah: wrong channel
• 287[04:19:11] <KNERD> blow the carbon off and you can still have three of them
• 288[04:19:12] <Blockah> Nah it's the right one bro
• 289[04:19:17] <CrystalMath> Blockah: you mentioned religion first :P
• 290[04:19:20] <Blockah> KNERD, I know right
• 291[04:19:26] <Blockah> CrI also mentioned it last, doesn't mean I mentioned it first
• 292[04:19:30] <Blockah> :P
• 293[04:20:23] <Blockah> replaced-url
• 294[04:20:28] <Blockah> That isn't a porn site either
• 295[04:20:33] <Blockah> It lets you know if yer urls are up or down
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• 408[08:45:49] <orl> Hi
• 409[08:46:09] <orl> Is it OK to speack about problems with Debian Bullseye here (iirc it's not, but I cannot find back any info about it)
• 410[08:46:15] <orl> s/peack/speak
• 411[08:47:34] <Unit193> Generally speaking, #debian-next on OFTC is much better.
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• 413[08:50:05] <orl> OK thanks
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• 587[13:17:29] <dka> What does "sudo sysctl -w kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1" exactly do? With it, I can run puppeteer (a npm package) which use chromium headless to take PDF of a web page.
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• 592[13:25:06] <dka> The option
• 593[13:25:13] <dka> is it safe?
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• 607[13:46:41] <satty> hi Everyone , Happy Diwali
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• 654[14:26:55] <unixbsd> Little qu, on debian, how to compress/pack to xz, i.e. to compress cdrom.iso to cdrom.iso.xz ?
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• 658[14:30:08] <abrotman> man xz ?
• 659[14:30:33] <diogenes_> unixbsd, file-roller.
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• 2980[14:41:22] <gpunk> Why do you not want to implement "downgrade" and thus support it ?
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• 3043[15:12:10] <jelly> gpunk: it's hard to do with lots of edge cases and package-specific problems.
• 3044[15:12:24] <abrotman> gpunk: you can downgrade, it's just not supported.
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• 3046[15:12:55] <gpunk> abrotman: yes, manually
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• 3048[15:13:13] <abrotman> So it works, congrats
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• 3050[15:14:42] <gpunk> jelly: no effence to the debian devs, but, "the other" guys has done it. -- the result is that as of today, I switched many servers to RPM based systems, I cannot waste time on doing things manually ...
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• 3052[15:15:01] <gpunk> abrotman: please pay attention to my question.
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• 3058[15:17:00] <jelly> gpunk: that's fine, use the tools that best suit your workflow and your needs.
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• 3063[15:18:40] <jelly> I don't regularly downgrade things on Debian, in 20 years I had to do it 2-3 times
• 3064[15:18:47] <gpunk> :-) yes I am a grown man ... it's pity , so I needed to really have it said. cheers
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• 3069[15:19:26] <jelly> it's not a pity, it's a corner case that requires a lot of work to do it right
• 3070[15:19:50] <jelly> and Debian usually doesn't do technical things half-assed
• 3071[15:19:55] <jelly> ...ly
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• 3078[15:22:58] <jelly> if you find yourself having to downgrade things all the time, or on hundreds of systems, then either your need to adapt the way you do things, or use a distro where that is managed better
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• 3084[15:27:35] <ratrace> jelly: "debian doesnt [...] half-assed" except the whole init thing :)
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• 3087[15:29:40] <jelly> ratrace: even that choice doesn't count, being done this way after much deliberation
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• 3097[15:36:00] <ratrace> jelly: still half-assed. half systemd, half sysv, neither fully implemented.
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• 3132[16:06:00] <Domin> Do anyone have a good guide on how to create you own deb repo from sources, i seem to struggle with google on this
• 3133[16:06:19] <Domin> get lots of guides on how to compile different stuff but that is not exactly what i am looking for
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• 3138[16:11:00] <Domin> hmm i think i perhaps found the right info now: replaced-url
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• 3142[16:16:04] <jelly> !own repo
• 3143[16:16:04] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See replaced-url
• 3144[16:16:47] <jelly> guess you're on the right track with reprepro
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• 3154[16:19:54] <Domin> cool thanks for the pointers
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• 3185[16:54:47] <sunkan> So I want to CrossGrade a server and have tried it on a clone a few times. I can get it fully functioning (it seems at least), but during the process I get some "W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back" and I am not sure if this can be a problem for me going forward. It seems not to matter much, but I don't know.
• 3186[16:56:49] <sunkan> I'm afraid that I would end up with some fault in the dpkg/apt state information or something like that. Any thoughts?
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• 3202[17:18:23] <sponix> sunkan: you should backup all important data and config - and do a fresh install
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• 3206[17:21:05] <sunkan> sponix: I understand that is the official way to do it, but there is so much stuff to configure on this server so I am trying to avoid that.
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• 3211[17:24:00] <fakuve> hiya! . Any master of the blaster knowing why debian doesnt have `systemd.net-naming-scheme` (at least Debian Buster)
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• 3217[17:37:51] <jelly> ,v systemd
• 3218[17:38:08] * jelly sighs
• 3219[17:38:11] <sunkan> fakuve: I think it is just too old. There is some info in man systemd-udevd.service(8), not sure if that is helpful or not.
• 3220[17:38:53] <jelly> fakuve: this? replaced-url
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• 3222[17:39:54] <jelly> systemd in buster is v241
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• 3227[17:45:53] <fakuve> jelly: yep but that is not a proper manpage
• 3228[17:46:17] <fakuve> ahh ok
• 3229[17:47:07] <sponix> jelly: judd is here, why is it ignoring you ?
• 3230[17:47:21] <jelly> sponix: it just joined.
• 3231[17:47:32] <sponix> oh, I see now
• 3232[17:47:45] <fakuve> jelly: yep is that , why I don't have it localy in my Debian 10 Buster?
• 3233[17:48:30] <jelly> fakuve: I have no idea, but would bet money it's because upstream are not too big on documentation and that man page may not have existed at all in 241
• 3234[17:49:24] <fakuve> jelly: ok . is there a way to update the manpages of my system?
• 3235[17:49:43] <fakuve> Or I dont mind I will read it online , but just to know
• 3236[17:49:47] <jelly> nope, not within the package system
• 3237[17:50:05] <fakuve> ok thanks for the info!
• 3238[17:50:26] <jelly> you could upgrade the whole of systemd to the version from buster-backports and see if it's there by 246
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• 3240[17:50:57] <jelly> but I'd avoid upgrading core os components without a very good technical reason
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• 3243[17:51:39] <fakuve> jelly: nah it sounds a bit complicated for just a little static piece of information
• 3244[17:52:06] <fakuve> jelly: thanks though for letting me see the explanation
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• 3247[17:56:50] <jelly> yep, this doesn't exist in 241 source: systemd-246.6/man/systemd.net-naming-scheme.xml
• 3248[17:57:05] <jelly> !cookie me
• 3249[17:57:07] * dpkg spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... gedanken... a thought experiment - something which is great for thinking through theoretical problems but may or may not be any use in reality. See replaced-url
• 3250[17:59:50] <fakuve> hehem
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• 3294[18:59:39] <jhutchins> Oh, hey, current systemd is at least six weeks old, let's veer off in an entirely new direction and trample some well-established *nix system.
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• 3298[19:06:52] <unixbsd> Concerning a harddisk, with ntfs, is it possible to format ntfs with mkfs.ntfs with badsector (excl. during format)?
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• 3311[19:17:30] <jhutchins> unixbsd: If you're seeing bad sectors on a modern hard disk it's not wise to rely on it.
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• 3321[19:29:08] <n4dir> gedanken is an english word?
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• 3337[19:39:48] <unixbsd> n4dir: nope ... it is DE. apt-get install wordnet
• 3338[19:40:33] <unixbsd> jhuntchins: just for study. anyhow it is for bin/trash a such a disk with defects.
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• 3340[19:40:57] <unixbsd> I know that windows has implemented in ntfs a bad sector exclude
• 3341[19:41:52] <jelly> ext4 has badblocks.
• 3342[19:41:59] <jelly> !badblocks
• 3343[19:42:00] <dpkg> from memory, badblocks is badblocks(8): search device for bad blocks
• 3344[19:42:31] <n4dir> unixbsd: i don't need wordnet to speak or understand german. :-) There are quite a few words adapted in English, and dpkg made it sound like it
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• 3346[19:43:06] <jelly> if you _know_ which event caused a small number of bad blocks and it's not changing or rising after that, you might keep using the device and mark the blocks using that ^ to generate a list
• 3347[19:44:33] * jelly pulled a 750GB disk failed from a raid array 8 years ago, put it in a desktop to be a md raid1 pair with a 500GB device... and it just won't die
• 3348[19:44:45] <jelly> all the dead blocks are above the 500G offset
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• 3350[19:45:51] <PyR3X> what is the proper way to test if a systemd unit is enabled (will start at boot?)
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• 3354[19:48:11] <jmcnaught> PyR3X: "systemctl is-enabled foo.service"
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• 3373[20:12:56] <unixbsd> ps aux | grep systemd
• 3374[20:13:28] <unixbsd> jelly: no really, ext4 has bad blocks? is that new? cuz ext3 has no bad blocks., only ext2.
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• 3381[20:22:09] <karlpinc> unixbsd: ext3 has bad blocks also.
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• 3388[20:32:37] <unixbsd> mkfs.ext4 -cc /dev/sdb1 may take long, but ok.
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• 3391[20:35:31] <jhutchins> Managing disks by block really pre-dates the on-disk ATA controllers. ATA abstracts the hardware to the point where if you start seeing bad blocks, especially if they appear to be increasing, it's time to buy the replacement.
• 3392[20:35:47] <jhutchins> jelly: Your exception noted - raid is not quite the same approach to hardware.
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• 3394[20:37:36] <jelly> jhutchins: [start seeing bad blocks] not always; sometimes you're lucky to know exastly why some blocks have gone bad, and it's not a case of "all the spare blocks have been used by firmware"
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• 3402[20:43:03] <jhutchins> jelly: Yeah, just the existance of bad blocks can be worked around, but increasing bad blocks - seen in dmesg - is a sign of imminent failure.
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• 3404[20:45:13] <unixbsd> modern harddisks ... likely it is better to have less dense hdd content, to have higher stability.
• 3405[20:45:50] <unixbsd> I used western digital elements and passports on usb. there are unreliable, cheap quality
• 3406[20:46:35] <unixbsd> hitachi were superbe hdds
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• 3413[20:51:31] <ratrace> passports are low end consumer grade external drives that didn't pass QA, got bad sectors relabeled in the factory, and sold like that
• 3414[20:52:02] <ratrace> %s/relabeled/relocated/
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• 3417[20:53:52] <unixbsd> maybe you know a table with disks hdds recommendations? WD, I got many times defects disks.
• 3418[20:55:25] <ratrace> WD has color labelled drives according to roles they have to fulfill. just stay away from enclosures like elements and passports
• 3419[20:56:00] <ratrace> and also be careful as WD has been caught recently selling SMR drives as NAS ready Reds.... which is a big no-no....
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• 3421[20:56:18] <sponix> I plan on shucking a few more EasyStore drives myself
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• 3424[20:58:34] <ratrace> I shucked a few seagates, for intermediary backup. put ZFS on it so it catches any failures early
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• 3426[20:59:06] <ratrace> (they're in a mirror, I wouldnt' dare use them otherwise)
• 3427[21:00:11] <ratrace> hitachi is really good brand. backblaze has lowest failure rates for them and I have a 120GB one I used until recently, yanked from an old eeepc, must be 10 years old now, still going strong
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• 3431[21:08:49] <jelly> unixbsd: there's literally no vendor that didn't have glitches at some point. Also, there are now basically two HD vendors left in the world, all the others are bought or got out of the business
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• 3435[21:12:34] <unixbsd> yeah... even now, it can be even more bought companies, with economy. saving and saving. end users get not necessarily best quality.
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• 3455[21:49:59] <cybrNaut> aptitude update => "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)" & "E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/"
• 3456[21:50:37] <erle-> maybe packagekit is blocking it, just try in a minute
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• 3458[21:50:58] <cybrNaut> will do... thanks
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• 3462[21:54:12] <cybrNaut> i suspect something else. i need to run it because "aptitude search winetricks" comes up empty, which likely means "aptitude update" has been failing for a long time
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• 3464[21:54:51] <cybrNaut> replaced-url
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• 3466[21:55:59] <cybrNaut> is there a way to forcefully override the lock?
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• 3473[22:00:47] <jelly> ,v winetricks
• 3474[22:00:48] <judd> Package: winetricks on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; stretch/contrib: 0.0+20170101-1; buster/contrib: 0.0+20181203-3; bullseye/contrib: 0.0+20200412-1; sid/contrib: 0.0+20200412-1
• 3475[22:01:12] <Paerox> Hello. I need a bit of help with a stuck mountpoint. I get a message that says the device is busy and I cant find the process that's keeping it alive. Have tried everything listed here with no success: replaced-url
• 3476[22:01:24] <jelly> cybrNaut: first, are you running "aptitude update" as root
• 3477[22:01:50] <sney> Paerox: do you have a terminal open in a dir under that mountpoint?
• 3478[22:02:00] <jelly> cybrNaut: search does not need root; updating the cache of repo contents does
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• 3480[22:02:26] <Paerox> I think i do. I tried to chdir in to it in a tmux pane
• 3481[22:02:32] <Paerox> will try to kill that window
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• 3483[22:03:00] <cybrNaut> jelly: I ran "aptitude update" and "aptitude search winetricks" both as root
• 3484[22:03:18] <cybrNaut> aptitude update still gives "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)"
• 3485[22:04:08] <jelly> cybrNaut: see if there are any other dpkg/apt/aptitude/synaptic processes running
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• 3487[22:04:35] <jelly> cybrNaut: fuser /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
• 3488[22:05:20] <Paerox> sney, I killed all tmux panes but i'm still unable to unmount the NFS-share on my mountpoint, even with the --force option
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• 3491[22:05:53] <sney> oh, it's nfs. you're probably stuck waiting for some timeout then.
• 3492[22:05:53] <Paerox> Still getting "device is busy"
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• 3494[22:06:21] <Paerox> sney, Is it possible to figure out what the timeout is set to?
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• 3496[22:06:28] <jelly> Paerox: you'll have to either wait for the nfs server to come back, or reboot
• 3497[22:06:59] <Paerox> jelly, I'll bring the NFS server up again then
• 3498[22:07:04] <jhutchins> Paerox: Be prepared for the reboot to take a long time for the mount to time out too.
• 3499[22:07:44] <cybrNaut> jelly: this has been running for 5 hours: /bin/sh /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily update
• 3500[22:07:57] <jhutchins> Paerox: Are we to understand that you shut down the NFS server while a client still had a share mounted?
• 3501[22:08:02] <cybrNaut> guess i should kill it
• 3502[22:08:32] <Paerox> jhutchins, Yes, you understand correctly. Silly me forgot to unmoun on the client first
• 3503[22:09:05] <jelly> cybrNaut: can you show a pstree of that process and all its children
• 3504[22:09:27] <jelly> so we can figure out the best one to kill
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• 3506[22:10:19] <fx> I have an lvm unmounted logical volume.
• 3507[22:10:24] <fx> Hi all !
• 3508[22:10:41] <cybrNaut> replaced-url
• 3509[22:10:49] <fx> And fsck keep telling me it is busy
• 3510[22:11:00] <fx> It is not even mounted.
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• 3512[22:11:08] <fx> Any clue ?
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• 3515[22:12:00] <cybrNaut> process 2206 has the lock
• 3516[22:12:23] <sorcerer> whats the best debian ISO to get that has kde plasma
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• 3518[22:12:25] <jelly> cybrNaut: so you have an apt-get update running. Kill it.
• 3519[22:13:07] <Paerox> sorcerer, the netinst iso is the best IMHO. Just install KDE plasma afterwards :-)
• 3520[22:13:52] <cybrNaut> done. update is moving along now
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• 3522[22:14:33] <jelly> cybrNaut: it is possible your tor connectivity broke at some point and some of its children fail at timeouting. Or it still works, but really, really, really, slowly
• 3523[22:14:51] <Paerox> sorcerer, You can also install KDE from the netinst iso
• 3524[22:15:10] <Paerox> sorcerer, ... but then you'll also get a lot of extra apps
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• 3526[22:15:45] <sorcerer> ya, no, thats why im looking to see which ISO has kde installed
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• 3528[22:16:17] <cybrNaut> i'm thinking it tried to run before the Tor circuits were built, and because it queries onion sites maybe that screwed it up.
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• 3531[22:17:05] <cybrNaut> a race condition might explain the case of not getting updates for a long time
• 3532[22:17:36] <cybrNaut> i'll know in a few min if winetricks is found
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• 3538[22:19:32] <Paerox> sorcerer, You'll find a list of iso's here, each with their own desktop enviorment here: replaced-url
• 3539[22:19:50] <cybrNaut> hmm.. after the apparently last "get" operation, "aptitude update" hangs on "100% [Working]"
• 3540[22:20:01] <Paerox> sorcerer, Here's a direct link to the KDE one: replaced-url
• 3541[22:20:20] <cybrNaut> which to suggests it's not exactly 100% working
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• 3543[22:21:31] <A|an> Does there exist an exhaustive publication of *every* unix/linux command known to man?
• 3544[22:22:04] <pasiz> A|an: yes, they are called man pages
• 3545[22:22:12] <cybrNaut> so it's not the tor race condition I thought it was. whatever it's hanging on now, it's probably been a defect for some time.
• 3546[22:22:14] <pasiz> comes with every distribution
• 3547[22:22:25] <A|an> I don't think they cover every obscure thing
• 3548[22:22:50] <cybrNaut> guess i need to kill it again and run with some debug output
• 3549[22:23:10] <Paerox> sorcerer, If you install Debian using the netinst-iso, you can install KDE Plasma yourself afterwards with "apt-get install plasma-workspace"
• 3550[22:23:37] <A|an> and too, I meant in a form that's more like a pbulication, not the manpages
• 3551[22:24:02] <jelly> cybrNaut: if it's running in foreground of your shell you should be able to just ^C it
• 3552[22:24:18] <jelly> control c
• 3553[22:25:27] <Paerox> A|an, You can read the manpages in your browser at replaced-url
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• 3555[22:26:18] * cybrNaut tries aptitude update --log-level=info
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• 3559[22:29:27] <A|an> thx
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• 3562[22:32:38] <cybrNaut> hung again. output looks no more verbose as the log level went from "warn" to "info". Guess i'll try again with --log-level=debug
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• 3565[22:35:28] <jelly> cybrNaut: just add some (more) -v to the command line
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• 3567[22:37:24] <cybrNaut> ok, now running aptitude update --log-level=debug -v
• 3568[22:37:47] <Paerox> sorcerer, Did you find what you were looking for? :-)
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• 3574[22:44:49] <cybrNaut> aptitude update --log-level=trace -vvv <= output still looks the same
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• 3579[22:50:11] <cybrNaut> aptitude update --log-level=trace -vvvv.. still hangs on "100% [Working]" with no info. I've commented out several repos, just to take a shot in the dark
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• 3582[22:51:03] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Here's a shot in the dark from me: Have you done a fsck recently?
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• 3586[22:53:06] <cybrNaut> no
• 3587[22:54:18] <Paerox> cybrNaut, I could be wrong, but just thinking perhaps there might be a file system error that stops aptitude from completing it's task
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• 3590[22:54:39] <Paerox> cybrNaut, or maybe a partition that is full?
• 3591[22:55:20] <cybrNaut> no full partitions
• 3592[22:57:01] <Paerox> cybrNaut, have you tried to install/update the same packages via apt instead?
• 3593[22:57:56] <cybrNaut> i always run aptitude update, but the cron job (which also hangs) runs apt-get
• 3594[22:58:30] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Oh... do you know what the cron job is supposed to do?
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• 3597[22:58:56] <sorcerer> how would i search backports for KDE Plasma 5.20+
• 3598[22:58:59] <cybrNaut> no, it's something that's in the stock config
• 3599[22:59:13] <cybrNaut> ("/bin/sh /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily update")
• 3600[22:59:37] <sorcerer> the current version on buster is 5.14, but id like to use backports to upgrade from Plasma 5.14 to 5.20
• 3601[23:00:22] <Paerox> sorcerer, Include the "-t" parameter with aptitude to search backports. ex. "sudo aptitude search -t buster-backports plasma-workspace"
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• 3603[23:01:20] <cybrNaut> i can see that "apt.systemd.daily update" runs "apt-get -qq -y update"
• 3604[23:01:50] <Paerox> sorcerer, You may have to install aptitude first with "apt-get install aptitude"
• 3605[23:03:17] <Paerox> cybrNaut, do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
• 3606[23:03:41] <sorcerer> i had to install but it says buster backports is invalid for apt::default-release
• 3607[23:04:18] <Paerox> sorcerer, Aha, then I must have forgot something you need to do first. Let me find that info again.
• 3608[23:04:42] <sorcerer> lol i never done this before, im trying to see if debian also has this in backports though
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• 3610[23:06:30] <Paerox> sorcerer, You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list - add a seperate line that includes the word "backports". Here are instructions online: replaced-url
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• 3612[23:07:09] <Paerox> sorcerer, I recently learned about this myself :-)
• 3613[23:07:13] <jelly> sorcerer: I don't think there's a debian.org backport of KDE/Plasma at all
• 3614[23:07:28] <Paerox> jelly, Oh, that I did'nt know
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• 3616[23:07:38] <sorcerer> im checking because i know kubuntu has it in their backports
• 3617[23:07:45] <sorcerer> but im trying to switch to debian
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• 3620[23:08:00] <alex11> ...ubuntu has backports?
• 3621[23:08:03] <sorcerer> im actually running MX Linux on my boxes, but im attempting this on debian in vbox
• 3622[23:08:10] <jelly> ,v plasma-desktop
• 3623[23:08:11] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.19.5-3; sid: 4:5.19.5-3
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• 3625[23:08:37] <sorcerer> ohh
• 3626[23:08:40] <jelly> so 5.14 ish in Debian 10, 5.19 in testing and unstable
• 3627[23:08:44] <sorcerer> so i should just use bullseye or sis
• 3628[23:08:47] <sorcerer> sid*
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• 3630[23:09:06] <jelly> those are development branches. Things can break at any time.
• 3631[23:09:09] <sorcerer> i should get testing and try it
• 3632[23:09:14] <sorcerer> yea im doing this in vbox
• 3633[23:09:14] <jelly> also.
• 3634[23:09:22] <sorcerer> just to check it for now
• 3635[23:09:48] <sorcerer> i also run multiple PCs, so i could just set one to break all the time LOL
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• 3637[23:09:57] <jelly> sorcerer: replaced-url
• 3638[23:10:12] <sorcerer> im a plasma-holic lol
• 3639[23:10:21] * sorcerer looks at website
• 3640[23:10:50] <sorcerer> nice progress
• 3641[23:10:56] <sorcerer> can't wait to see it in debian
• 3642[23:11:06] <jelly> Preining has his own repo typically with newer plasma than what's in testing/unstable
• 3643[23:11:18] <jelly> but that's used on top of unstable I think.
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• 3645[23:11:19] <Paerox> sorcerer, I like Plasma too! :-)
• 3646[23:11:32] <sorcerer> im also a transfering user, im coming from ubuntu
• 3647[23:11:46] <jelly> !sns
• 3648[23:11:47] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 3649[23:12:02] <jelly> !testing
• 3650[23:12:02] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
• 3651[23:12:05] <sorcerer> im currently running MX Linux on most of my PCs as hosts, which is still basically Debian, its just got some added packages and a repo
• 3652[23:12:06] <Paerox> sns, lol
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• 3655[23:13:09] <cybrNaut> Paerox: i have lots of stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. I commented out a lot of it in trying to solve the problem
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• 3657[23:13:57] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Are all the servers referenced in sources.list.d reachable?
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• 3661[23:16:18] * Paerox *smoke-break*
• 3662[23:17:18] <cybrNaut> Paerox: i'll just comment out all of them
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• 3665[23:20:59] <cybrNaut> finally!
• 3666[23:21:48] <cybrNaut> apparently one of the unofficial repos was causing aptitude update to hang
• 3667[23:22:25] <cybrNaut> which, is a bug. Aptitude should time-out.
• 3668[23:22:59] <cybrNaut> i have no idea how many months i've not received updates b/c of this bug
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• 3671[23:25:38] * Paerox back
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• 3673[23:26:21] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Good to know you found out! Did you learn which repo was the cause?
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• 3676[23:30:02] <cybrNaut> Paerox: it was wine, wire, i2p, bitlbee, or wireguard (unstable)
• 3677[23:30:19] <cybrNaut> or google chrome
• 3678[23:30:30] <cybrNaut> that was the final set that I commented out
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• 3680[23:32:07] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Best practice is to do one change at a time, that way you'll know what change was effective
• 3681[23:33:01] <Paerox> cybrNaut, Did you know you can run wireguard in a docker container? I'm learning docker these days :-)
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• 3683[23:34:50] <cybrNaut> docker is alien to me.. i've not looked into it. And i never got wireguard working at both ends, so maybe i should look into it
• 3684[23:35:36] <Paerox> docker is alien for me as well, so you're not alone then
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• 3686[23:38:25] <Paerox> I'm looking forward to get this up and running as a docker container: replaced-url
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• 3691[23:41:20] <jhutchins> cybrNaut: Have you rebooted the system since the error appeared?
• 3692[23:42:18] <jhutchins> sorcerer: Not available yet.
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• 3694[23:42:43] <jhutchins> (Scrollbuffer, sorry.)
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• 3700[23:47:26] <sorcerer> lol
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• 3705[23:52:50] <cybrNaut> jhutchins: i never got an error; it just hangs. I reboot daily, and it was clear that the apt update hasn't run in a long time
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