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90 [02:16:59] <Agafnd> ok, so i'm still running stretch, but my one reservation about ubrading to buster is that the kernel i've got is an old backport (...long story) rather than the latest normal one. will upgrading to buster just switch me to the normal kernel, or should i fix that before i upgrade?
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92 [02:17:11] <Agafnd> (and ... if so, how)
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98 [02:24:23] <abrotman> Agafnd: You can probably just upgrade
99 [02:25:18] <Agafnd> ok!
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115 [02:48:48] <Agafnd> i mean, it says here that backports can potentially be problematic replaced-url
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122 [03:03:17] <Agafnd> find and replace stretch->buster in sources.list should be all i need, right?
123 [03:03:37] <dvs> !release notes
124 [03:03:37] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
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130 [03:06:03] <Agafnd> yeah i am reading that
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208 [05:12:09] <Agafnd> uh so
209 [05:12:24] <Agafnd> while i was running full-upgrade
210 [05:12:42] <Agafnd> my laptop i guess decided to lock itself
211 [05:12:58] <Agafnd> but now i can't unlock it
212 [05:13:10] <Agafnd> well let me explain better
213 [05:13:29] <Agafnd> i can switch virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-f1 etc)
214 [05:13:53] <Agafnd> but on terminal 7, the graphical one, the screen is black, unless i move the mouse or hit a key
215 [05:14:21] <Agafnd> upon which the background to the mate lock screen shows up briefly before the screen goes black again
216 [05:14:59] <Agafnd> unfortunately i wasn't running apt in a tmux session so while i know it is still running i don't know what it's doing
217 [05:15:03] <Agafnd> or if it needs input
218 [05:15:58] <Agafnd> any ideas?
219 [05:16:01] <sponix> Agafnd: lol
220 [05:16:22] <sponix> Agafnd: sure, next time you do a major upgrade, don't do it from within X :)
221 [05:16:39] <Agafnd> yeah lesson learned i guess
222 [05:16:56] <sponix> Agafnd: ps ax for a process list, or top -- might still give you some clues
223 [05:17:51] <sponix> I shouldn't laugh though, as I might make a similar mistake in the future
224 [05:17:58] <sponix> it is easily done
225 [05:18:06] <Agafnd> clues to what, exactly? i mean i can see that apt full-upgrade is still running
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228 [05:18:20] <Agafnd> yeah i definitely should have run it in tmux at least
229 [05:18:43] <sponix> Agafnd: I haven't mastered tmux yet. but use screen a bit
230 [05:18:56] <Agafnd> yeah screen would work just as well i guess
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232 [05:19:42] <sponix> give me a second
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234 [05:21:45] <Agafnd> oh i just remembered i *am* running it in a 'script' session -- maybe i could peek on it through that log file?
235 [05:22:24] <sponix> Agafnd: try as root: tail -f /var/log/apt/history.log
236 [05:22:34] <sponix> see if there are still changes being made there
237 [05:22:34] <pixalot> Agafnd, couldn't you tail the /var/log/apt/term.log? the history.log might give you some more insight
238 [05:23:17] <sponix> pixalot: Yes.. good ... term.log and history.log - paint a pretty good picture I think
239 [05:24:25] <Agafnd> oh uh tail term.log is showing a prompt for a configuration. of NETHACK of all things
240 [05:24:45] <pixalot> Agafnd, and good for you for running in a script session. I diligently do that per the upgrade docs. knock-on-wood. I haven't had to rely on it.
241 [05:26:50] <Agafnd> so i guess i have to actually interact with apt now. but how to do that when i can't connect to it ...
242 [05:27:26] <Agafnd> hm i vaguely remember installing some package which allows you to switch the output of some program to the current tty
243 [05:27:37] <Agafnd> can't remember what it was called though
244 [05:28:58] <pixalot> Agafnd, as a last resort I guess you could kill the process and restart the upgrade from the CLI. I would imagine you would only have issues with the package it was working on. Take my advice with a 50Lb sack of salt though :-/
245 [05:31:23] <Agafnd> yeahhhhh uh
246 [05:31:25] <Agafnd> hm
247 [05:31:34] <Agafnd> maybe i could try killing mate-screensaver
248 [05:32:21] <pixalot> good thought!
249 [05:33:24] <Agafnd> AW YEAH
250 [05:33:27] <Agafnd> it worked
251 [05:33:29] <Agafnd> i'm back in x
252 [05:34:18] <pixalot> Sweet! Another solution in your tool belt!
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254 [05:35:33] <pixalot> Agafnd, tmux is the bomb BTW
255 [05:37:28] <sponix> well played
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258 [05:39:11] <Agafnd> thanks all
259 [05:39:20] <Agafnd> hopefully this is the only problem i have with this upgrade!
260 [05:39:25] <sponix> Agafnd: glad you go it going
261 [05:40:12] <sponix> I always do backup and fresh install now. upgrade path ends up normally taking me more time in the long run
262 [05:40:58] <Agafnd> haha yeah
263 [05:41:16] <Agafnd> cleans away all the junk too
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269 [05:52:50] <Agafnd> reboot done without issue. hello from buster!
270 [05:54:47] <Agafnd> hm, mouse feels slow, and sound's not working ....
271 [05:54:53] <Agafnd> but those are things i think i can fix
272 [05:54:59] <Agafnd> with a little poking around
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426 [08:56:02] <hegemoOn> what kernel will be choosen for debian 11, 5.10 or 5.9 ?
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436 [09:07:18] <jelly> hegemoOn: Debian typically picks a longterm branch
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438 [09:12:09] <hegemoOn> so 5.10
439 [09:12:18] <hegemoOn> but i would like to be sure
440 [09:12:20] <hegemoOn> :)
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444 [09:19:16] <jelly> hegemoOn: you'll want to track the debian-kernel mailing list (replaced-url
445 [09:19:31] * jelly can't give any assurance
446 [09:19:39] <hegemoOn> ok thanks for the hints :)
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454 [09:28:15] <Lope> how can I change my logitech USB webcam whitebalance in Debian?
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471 [10:01:05] <themill> ,i qv4l2
472 [10:01:07] <judd> Package qv4l2 (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Test bench application for video4linux devices. Version: 1.16.3-3; Size: 188.8k; Installed: 616k; Homepage: replaced-url
473 [10:01:08] <themill> Lope: ^^
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482 [10:10:54] <Haohmaru> ,v kicad
483 [10:10:55] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 5.1.6+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 5.1.8+dfsg1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.1.8+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.8+dfsg1-1
484 [10:11:14] <Lope> themill, thanks bud!
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604 [12:14:42] <ratrace> Woot! Woot! Freeze coming up! replaced-url
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606 [12:15:12] <Haohmaru> well, it's winter after all
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608 [12:15:51] <Haohmaru> ah, they've already made that joke in the title >:/
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660 [12:33:39] <ksk> Will "Trixie" be the first female named release? :)
661 [12:33:47] <ksk> (I am not that into toystory..)
662 [12:34:55] <ratrace> No, there was Jessie
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667 [12:35:29] <Haohmaru> toystory x_x
668 [12:36:20] <ratrace> oh and Bo was first (Debian 1.3)
669 [12:36:44] <ratrace> Bo, Jessie, Trixie and if Dolly ever becomes a Debian release
670 [12:37:18] <Haohmaru> are you pessimistic here?
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672 [12:37:40] <ratrace> no, I don't know what names will be chosen for future Debians :)
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674 [12:37:58] <Haohmaru> they finite number of names, aren't they
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676 [12:39:17] <ratrace> sooner or later they'll have to change the naming scheme... unless they wanna go windoze and do Stalebian XP 1.0+ and monotonically increase ad infinitum :)
677 [12:39:36] <ratrace> gotta reckon distros will sooner or later become obsolete
678 [12:39:43] <ksk> I see, thanks.
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680 [12:40:05] <ksk> ratrace: maybe there just needs to be more toy story movies? :P
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682 [12:40:56] <Haohmaru> ratrace i tought the names will just repeat
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685 [12:41:19] <ratrace> that would be terribly silly and inconvenient
686 [12:41:20] <Haohmaru> so there's gonna be another Buster eventually in the future
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688 [12:41:43] <Haohmaru> toystory names are silly to begin with ;P~
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694 [12:42:58] <oiaohm> There are 22 toys just in the first movie of toystory.
695 [12:43:13] <ratrace> 44 years of release history!
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697 [12:44:14] <oiaohm> More if you add in the humans and animals in the movie.
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699 [12:44:32] <oiaohm> Between the 4 movies you have almost 80 odd.
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703 [12:45:10] <verblendet> hi, anyone else has a totally broken kde after last testing update this morning?
704 [12:45:15] <Haohmaru> so there's gonna be another Buster in over 100 years from now
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707 [12:45:50] <Haohmaru> "Debian 91 (Buster)"
708 [12:46:05] <oiaohm> Really I am wondering when we will have a "Reptillus Maximus"
709 [12:46:05] <verblendet> kwin dies, keyboard not working, screen looks weird
710 [12:46:23] <Haohmaru> verblendet this channel is for debian stable, not testing
711 [12:46:39] <oiaohm> Yes that is one of the edge stories of toystory series chars.
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713 [12:47:29] <verblendet> Haohmaru, ops, sry
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716 [12:47:45] <Brigo> !testing
717 [12:47:45] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
718 [12:48:12] <verblendet> yet another irc network, i c
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720 [12:48:24] <ratrace> Haohmaru: nah. when the current crop of devs goes too old and opens a $200 category from Alex (RIP, btw), all these old community distros will perish, leaving only RHEL ( & clones) and maybe Canonical, and maybe Suse.
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723 [12:49:02] <ratrace> we're slowly seeing the old guard leaving and no newblood coming up to replace them, right nao
724 [12:49:06] <Haohmaru> open a what?
725 [12:49:15] <ratrace> a category for $200
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727 [12:49:23] <Haohmaru> wut's that
728 [12:50:14] <ksk> no offense to you or the Debian Project, but its toolstack (I mean the web-frontends mostly) is stuck in the 90s - that might be related to younger devs not wanting to jump in :X
729 [12:50:47] <ratrace> Haohmaru: fancy way of saying they're dead. bereft of life. They're ex developers. ceased to be. no more.
730 [12:50:52] <Haohmaru> the 90s weren't bad
731 [12:51:01] <ratrace> ksk: you mean the Stalebian Project? :)
732 [12:51:02] <jelly> ksk: you're being generous
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735 [12:52:00] <Haohmaru> but.. i don't want Canonical
736 [12:52:09] <jelly> so it's IBM then, okay
737 [12:52:21] <jelly> no prob, Bob
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739 [12:52:34] <Haohmaru> wut is IBM i don't even
740 [12:52:50] <jelly> the company making RHEL
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742 [12:53:22] <ratrace> *snap*
743 [12:53:33] <jelly> ,v snap
744 [12:53:34] <judd> Package: snap on amd64 -- jessie: 2013-11-29-1; stretch: 2013-11-29-6; buster: 2013-11-29-9; bullseye: 2013-11-29-10; sid: 2013-11-29-10
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747 [12:53:50] <jelly> ,i snap
748 [12:53:53] <judd> Package snap (science, optional) in buster/amd64: location of genes from DNA sequence with hidden markov model. Version: 2013-11-29-9; Size: 364.7k; Installed: 2646k; Homepage: replaced-url
749 [12:53:57] <ratrace> I think you meant snapd :)
750 [12:54:01] <jelly> different snap
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753 [12:55:15] <ratrace> speaking of, debian will become a snap in Ubuntu 28.04 Kleenex Koala
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761 [12:57:05] <EdePopede> talking about stupid release names...
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765 [12:58:55] <Haohmaru> Kleenex Koala? wtf
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768 [12:59:16] <strk> is there a way to tell what a .deb package was built for ?
769 [12:59:21] <strk> I mean: for which target system
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772 [13:00:07] <ratrace> strk: like architecture?
773 [13:00:37] <oiaohm> ratrace: replaced-url
774 [13:01:26] <ratrace> and that's your ubuntu 28.04 right there!
775 [13:02:27] <ratrace> and I think it's not, I totally skipped the beta testing *.10 releases, but whocares :)
776 [13:03:57] <strk> ratrace: what I'm trying to do is understanding where a .deb is coming from. I see it on an host, and is most likely what's installed
777 [13:04:17] <strk> now I'd like to upgrade, but I can't find newer .deb files, so I wonder where that .deb file, present on the host, was taken from
778 [13:04:24] <ratrace> 28.04 will be a V . Velvet Vulture
779 [13:04:26] <strk> as maybe the same source has a newer package by now
780 [13:04:49] <strk> an apt repository would be the best, if there's any
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782 [13:05:13] <ratrace> strk: could be wrong, but I don't think .debs are built for a specific release. the release is implicitly determined via dependency constraints. that's why it's technically possible to cross-install them, if the deps are satisfied
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784 [13:05:38] <ratrace> built for == constrainted to a "Debian Release version" via intrinsic config, is what I mean
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786 [13:08:34] <strk> so you think I may just try to install the deb package for Debian10 and assume everything is OK if it installs clean ?
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789 [13:10:47] <ratrace> strk: well, you can check which repo it comes from with apt-cache policy . and if that's expected and sane, and it installs fine (deps satisfied).... whynot.
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791 [13:12:00] <strk> the installed one comes from local filesystem
792 [13:12:05] <ratrace> note that [installs fine nao] != [will keep a sane and supported upgrade(s| path)]
793 [13:12:44] <ratrace> strk: same applies. might install now but have a dependency issue later on (dist) upgrades
794 [13:13:03] <ratrace> but you can solve that problem when and if it appears, I s'pose
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879 [15:00:15] <ws2k3> i would like to search on my filesystem for multiple inodes. can i maby do a find / -inum 114863126 anotherinode here ?
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920 [15:23:54] <flyer1985> Hi everyone! I'm facing a problem, I have a server with a private repository, that problem is when I make apt-get update the request on the server are initially very slow. In the sources.list I define the server with it's IP. But I see that the client try to resolve the IP with a DNS request like this: 192.168.5.111 → 192.168.5.15 DNS 85 Standard
921 [15:23:55] <flyer1985> query 0x3af0 SRV _http._tcp.192.168.5.224
922 [15:24:20] <flyer1985> I suspect this can be the cause of the slow start. Any idea to investigate more the problematic?
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929 [15:27:18] <oxek> I have wireguard successfully working. I'm on debian stable with xfce as DE. When I used openvpn, I liked the network manager integration where it showed a lock on the network connection icon, letting me know that I am connected to VPN.
930 [15:27:29] <oxek> I know a newer network manager has support for wireguard, but I am on debian hence that is not available to me.
931 [15:27:38] <oxek> How can I get a visible indicator on my panel that shows a wireguard connection is active?
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935 [15:31:13] <webmind> Hi, anyone know how install a more recent versian of xen hypervisor in debian stable than 4.11?
936 [15:33:17] <flyer1985> I found a solution for my problem, but I don't understand why is so configured by default and what is the idea behind
937 [15:33:55] <flyer1985> By adding Acquire::EnableSrvRecords "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf the request has not lag
938 [15:34:21] <flyer1985> Why we need the EnableSrvRecords as true by default?
939 [15:34:31] <webmind> I can't even find a more recent version of xen in debian sid
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964 [15:45:44] <wild_buffalo> Hi, I'm looking for suggestions of VNC servers
965 [15:45:50] <wild_buffalo> and clients
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967 [15:46:06] <wild_buffalo> my primary criterion is good documentation
968 [15:46:09] <gpunk> google ...
969 [15:46:12] <Brigo> webmind, ism't xen a kernel module?
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973 [15:47:26] <nkuttler> !xen
974 [15:47:27] <dpkg> Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see replaced-url
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977 [15:48:55] <wild_buffalo> gpunk oh ok, have you tried Googling that? All of the suggestions I found only have docs for Windows
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980 [15:49:14] <gpunk> wild_buffalo: re you drunk or an idiot ?
981 [15:49:19] <wild_buffalo> gpunk please show me how bad I am at Googling it :)
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983 [15:49:40] <wild_buffalo> it'd be much appreciated
984 [15:49:42] <webmind> Brigo: I thought it's a hypervisor with kernel support
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986 [15:50:01] <gpunk> wild_buffalo: ok, then you are an idiot, case closed
987 [15:50:12] <gpunk> welcome to my ignore list, enjoy the cigards
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989 [15:50:40] <wild_buffalo> anyway, sysadmins that have experience with Debian, can you suggest me a VNC server that has worked well for you in the past?
990 [15:51:05] <wild_buffalo> ideally from the Debian repo
991 [15:52:36] <wild_buffalo> TightVNC and TigerVNC only seem to have docs for Windows
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993 [15:53:09] <Brigo> ,v xen-hypervisor-4.11-amd64
994 [15:53:10] <judd> Package: xen-hypervisor-4.11-amd64 on amd64 -- buster: 4.11.4+24-gddaaccbbab-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 4.11.4+24-gddaaccbbab-1; sid: 4.11.4+24-gddaaccbbab-1; buster-proposed-updates: 4.11.4+37-g3263f257ca-1; buster-security: 4.11.4+37-g3263f257ca-1
995 [15:53:52] <Brigo> webmind, it seems you are out of luck
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997 [15:54:50] <Brigo> webmind, anyway, it looks like 4.11 is the newer one: replaced-url
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1006 [16:10:06] <ivaat> hello. i am trying to compile in cmake. running into issue: build with acl requested, but lib not found
1007 [16:10:19] <ivaat> and i looking what debian package it should be?
1008 [16:10:25] <ivaat> i am*
1009 [16:10:31] <ksk> wild_buffalo: x11xnc - but in general, you dont really need documentation. You start the Server, use a client to connect to it.. :P
1010 [16:10:32] <wild_buffalo> yeah there's a package, gimme a sec
1011 [16:10:40] <wild_buffalo> ivaat
1012 [16:10:50] <ivaat> wild_buffalo: thanks
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1014 [16:11:21] <wild_buffalo> ivaat I think it's just acl
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1016 [16:11:49] <ivaat> weird,, acl is already the newest version (2.2.52-3build1)
1017 [16:12:09] <wild_buffalo> ksk thanks, I'll give that a go. I don't know much about vnc so I'm trying to figure out how to set it up correctly
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1019 [16:12:27] <wild_buffalo> previously I followed a guide and all I would get was a gray screen
1020 [16:12:41] <wild_buffalo> this one, to be precise: replaced-url
1021 [16:12:55] <wild_buffalo> the only difference was that I wanted to start my gnome-session instead
1022 [16:13:30] <wild_buffalo> ivaat in that case you have to configure Cmake to find the lib
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1024 [16:15:20] <ksk> wild_buffalo: I did for x11vnc: Install x11vnc, xvfb - call xvfb with the app you want to run, and send it to background (via &) - then run x11vnc and tell it what DISPLAY you used in your xvfb call -> ... -> profit
1025 [16:15:41] <wild_buffalo> maybe check how the Cmake file is configured to use find_library() or find_package() and what not? That should give you a hint why it's not finding it
1026 [16:15:44] <ksk> it might be in general that vnc servers are able to be their own X servers, not sure..
1027 [16:16:07] <wild_buffalo> ksk thanks, gonna do just that
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1030 [16:16:55] <ksk> If you still encounter problems you can write me a PM, and I will send you the exact calls when I`m home later..
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1033 [16:17:34] <wild_buffalo> Thanks, much appreciated
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1037 [16:20:03] <jelly> ivaat: you probably need -dev packages for building
1038 [16:20:40] <jelly> ivaat: I would search for one using something like: apt-cache search libacl dev
1039 [16:20:49] <ivaat> jelly i have dev also. /usr/include/sys/acl.h
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1042 [16:21:23] <ivaat> libacl1-dev is already the newest version (2.2.52-3build1).
1043 [16:21:37] <jelly> that sounds like it, yeah
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1045 [16:22:27] <wild_buffalo> ivaat this seems to me that the Cmake build file is not correctly configured. From my experience Cmake often doesn't just find libraries, you have to explicitly point them out to it
1046 [16:22:56] <ivaat> wild_buffalo: ok how i can do that? export variable with location?
1047 [16:23:07] <wild_buffalo> no it's in the script itself
1048 [16:23:21] <ksk> "strace -eopen" /hides
1049 [16:23:34] <wild_buffalo> it's been a while, lemme see if I can jog my memory
1050 [16:23:48] <wild_buffalo> but I recall running on that problem similarly in the past
1051 [16:24:11] <wild_buffalo> but IMO this isn't a Debian problem, you should go find C++ or C devs and ask them, they'll give you a more correct answer than me
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1054 [16:26:51] <wild_buffalo> ivaat maybe try this? add a function call on your CMakeLists.txt to put the library in the path? replaced-url
1055 [16:27:14] <ivaat> wild_buffalo: thx. i will try
1056 [16:27:17] <wild_buffalo> if I recall correctly with CMake nothing is in its "path" by default
1057 [16:27:23] <wild_buffalo> everything has to be added explicitly
1058 [16:27:54] <wild_buffalo> so if you're trying to build someone else's software, they probably have a line like that for the acl library but it might not be pointing to the correct place
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1061 [16:35:04] <ivaat> wild_buffalo: got solved, it took from cache
1062 [16:35:18] <wild_buffalo> ivaat fantastic
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1102 [17:16:20] <NetTerminalGene> is it ok to use "fstrim -av" command on luks encrypted lvm disk?
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1106 [17:17:37] <ksk> NetTerminalGene: I would expect the state of "SSDs on linux" to be such that you would not have to do things by hand nowadays. Feel free to correct me..
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1109 [17:18:14] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: yes, but it won't do anything unless you have a specific option in crypttab
1110 [17:18:22] <NetTerminalGene> ksk: it doesn't trim disk by default
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1112 [17:18:59] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: i will do manual not automatic
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1117 [17:20:49] <ndegruchy> NetTerminalGene: replaced-url
1118 [17:21:00] <ndegruchy> Fedora focused, but has info
1119 [17:21:19] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: yes, I am talking about manual.
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1124 [17:25:06] <NetTerminalGene> ndegruchy: thanks
1125 [17:25:13] <NetTerminalGene> i think i won't do it
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1127 [17:25:21] <ksk> NetTerminalGene: only on Ubuntu over here right now, but it has a "fstrim.service" which seems to be triggered regularly.
1128 [17:25:37] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: I do it on my desktop at home.
1129 [17:25:44] <ndegruchy> I am sad to say I don't even know how mine is setup :O. I just let Debian installer handle it. Probably should look into that sometime.
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1131 [17:26:22] <jelly> luks0 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-OCZ-VERTEX3_OCZ-[serial]-part2 none luks,discard
1132 [17:26:26] <ksk> same for me, I was somehow expecting it to magicly work ;) Will check it out later..
1133 [17:27:14] <jelly> rebuild initrd after adding ,discard and then it seems to be passed down from ext4 -> lvm -> luks -> disk (partition)
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1136 [17:28:39] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: "sda5_crypt UUID=whatever none luks,discard" and after that i sshould use fstrim command?
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1138 [17:29:20] <NetTerminalGene> my format looks like that. different than yours
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1142 [17:30:12] <NetTerminalGene> it is ridiculous i should edit crypttab to use fstrim command manually
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1151 [17:35:21] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: that's fine and the same format really
1152 [17:35:50] <jelly> name device keyfile (= none) options
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1156 [17:40:59] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: "name device keyfile (= none) options" what does this mean?
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1160 [17:41:54] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: that's the format of the file
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1162 [17:42:20] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: i don't understand
1163 [17:42:44] <NetTerminalGene> /etc/crypttab?
1164 [17:42:51] <jelly> yes
1165 [17:43:11] <NetTerminalGene> i still don't understand
1166 [17:43:36] <genmb> i have discard in crypttab by default when installing on encrypted drive, weird you had to add it
1167 [17:44:02] <jelly> this machine was installed around Debian 2.1
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1170 [17:44:56] <NetTerminalGene> genmb: i upgraded it from jessie. maybe that's the reason
1171 [17:45:05] <greycat> It must have been fairly high-end hardware in 1999 to still work with current Debian releases.
1172 [17:45:28] <jelly> greycat: it's still the same broom.
1173 [17:46:37] <jelly> sure, all the physical components have been replaced 4-5 times, but it's still the same machine with the same name :-)
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1176 [17:48:20] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: you changed the disk by cloning it or something?
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1180 [17:49:09] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: 2-3 times cloning, more often rsync
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1213 [18:20:09] <rootkea> Hello! Has Debian stopped providing multiarch DVD images? I could only find multiarch netinst cd iso for 10.6.0
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1227 [18:35:01] <jelly> rootkea: have there ever been multiarch larger than netinst?
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1247 [18:52:16] <leoni> Hello.
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1251 [18:54:57] <sney> hi
1252 [18:55:09] <Druid> hello debian users
1253 [18:55:17] <Druid> hello sney
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1255 [18:58:58] * sney waves
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1257 [18:59:10] <Druid> o/
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1327 [20:00:04] <j`ey> to install vscode a friend is following replaced-url
1328 [20:00:10] <j`ey> but they cant actually install it
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1330 [20:02:17] <jmcnaught> j`ey: what error do they get when they try to install it?
1331 [20:02:28] <jmcnaught> oh wait I see it n ow
1332 [20:02:50] <jmcnaught> "apt policy code" might have some info.
1333 [20:03:27] <j`ey> I asked them to do apt-cache show code, and they get the 'unable t locate'
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1337 [20:06:12] <diogenes_> maybe: sudo apt update
1338 [20:06:22] <ws2k3> when i run a command in a screen as following screen -d -m sleep 10 the screen session dies when the command is finished. is there a way to just leave it open?
1339 [20:06:39] <j`ey> diogenes_: they already did that
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1341 [20:09:47] <diogenes_> try directly from here: replaced-url
1342 [20:10:02] <Brigo> j`ey, apt can't find them becuase there is no deb file in the sources.list pointing to them.
1343 [20:10:15] <Brigo> they just downloaded them and installed them with dpkg.
1344 [20:10:30] <Brigo> ro so says the instructions.
1345 [20:11:05] <j`ey> Brigo: no, they tried to add it via sources.list
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1348 [20:13:01] <Brigo> then check those sources, maybe there is some sort of error there, then apt policy and apt policy <package>
1349 [20:13:32] <greycat> the two most likely things are "they screwed up when editing sources" or "the third-party repository is broken in some way"
1350 [20:13:49] <j`ey> I'll talk to them more
1351 [20:13:54] <greycat> third place is "local networking issue of some kind"
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1355 [20:17:53] <j`ey> got it, they used i386 netinstall iso instead of amd64
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1357 [20:18:48] <Brigo> wow
1358 [20:19:05] <Brigo> that's a problem.
1359 [20:19:53] <j`ey> luckily I noticed on the vscode page that it has "deb [arch=amd64
1360 [20:22:14] <Brigo> j`ey, i noticed that too, but i didn't expect a i386 system, at all.
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1379 [20:43:59] <astronavt> on a desktop machine, is it a good idea to install dnsmasq and tell networkmanager to use it for local caching?
1380 [20:44:19] <astronavt> and is there any obvious downside?
1381 [20:44:55] <astronavt> hm. the debian wiki says _not_ to do this if you use a laptop and change between different networks. why is that?
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1383 [20:45:18] <astronavt> because it will cache domain names within the local network, which might resolve to different IP addresses when you change networks?
1384 [20:46:59] <queip> astronavt: it worked fine when I tried, didnt cared about the different local domain between LANs thing
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1387 [20:48:53] <astronavt> good to know
1388 [20:48:57] <astronavt> maybe ill ask in ##networking as well
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1390 [20:50:14] <astronavt> queip, does it make a noticeable difference in network performance on for "low performance" use like on a personal laptop? maybe the extra risk of something going wrong isn't worth chasing small gains
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1415 [21:26:53] <karlpinc> astronav-: Yes, because of caching.
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1423 [21:31:44] <dob1> I am not able to have this to work replaced-url
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1427 [21:32:03] <dob1> when I am goint to mount it, at the end, wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
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1434 [21:36:10] <dob1> got it to works, I did a typo in fstab
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1462 [22:10:18] <codedmart> How do I shrink a luks encrypted partition? I seem to have shrunk the underlying btrfs, but the partition is still taking up all the space.
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1469 [22:16:10] <Brigo> codedmart, it is a two step job, first the filesytem then the partiton. I usually use gparted, wich is a graphical tool.
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1471 [22:16:59] <codedmart> Brigo I tried gparted it shrunk the btrfs part, but failed on the crypt part.
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1474 [22:18:15] <jmcnaught> 'cryptsetup resize <something>' is probably required
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1485 [22:23:28] <jhutchins> Rebuild the partition and restore your latest backup of the files.
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1490 [22:25:48] <codedmart> jmcnaught: I tried that seems to succeed, but nothing seems different.
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1505 [22:36:30] <Enissay> How to safely remove old unused kernels ?
1506 [22:37:04] <Enissay> Currently using Linux 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on Debian 10
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1508 [22:37:31] <greycat> just dpkg --purge them
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1525 [22:56:24] <another> apt autoremove
1526 [22:57:11] <greycat> by default, apt will try to keep your two "newest" kernels, however it decides newness
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1572 [23:34:42] <jhutchins> astronav-: Most home/s.o. networks cache DNS at the router, so there's not much advantage.
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1579 [23:39:37] <trysten> I just installed python with ./configure --prefix=/home/user/.local/ && make install
1580 [23:39:42] <trysten> What could go wrong? Serious question.
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1583 [23:41:52] <jhutchins> trysten: You could loose the media you made the backup on.
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1585 [23:42:52] <jhutchins> trysten: It's possible that you could have conflicts with the system python, but you should be able to work it out.
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1587 [23:43:58] <alex11> why not use virtualenv to manage separate python versions?
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1589 [23:44:30] <jhutchins> alex11: You mean like a container?
1590 [23:44:48] <alex11> i'm suggesting this to trysten
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1593 [23:45:30] <jhutchins> alex11: I realize that. Question stands.
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1599 [23:48:53] <kulak> hi, what would be the best way to obtain memory consumption of GO based microservices running on the same machine? All the services are running under the same user.
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1601 [23:50:59] <jmcnaught> Are they started as .service units by systemd?
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1603 [23:51:29] <kulak> yes, all services are running as different .service units under systemd.
1604 [23:52:51] <jmcnaught> kulak: "systemctl status foo.service" shows a Memory: line, same if you check the status of a .slice
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1606 [23:54:11] <kulak> jmcnaught: thanks. that's a nice start
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1608 [23:55:43] <jmcnaught> systemd-cgtop might be useful too
1609 [23:56:41] <kulak> so, I see lines with: 13.9M, 5.5M, 2.9M, 3.6M, 3.2M 3.8M, 3.6M :) are those total virtual size or size of physical memory utilized?
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