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16 [00:29:39] <jak2000> hi all
17 [00:29:53] <jak2000> programming some crontab task every minute is recommendable?
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19 [00:30:24] <ndegruchy> jak2000: not the worst thing in the world, depends on the task
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21 [00:30:28] <greycat> too vague.
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25 [00:33:42] <jak2000> sudo rsync -zavh /home/jak/swItsol/AFC/ORDCOMP/ /var/replaced-url
26 [00:33:50] <jak2000> a rsync
27 [00:34:23] <ndegruchy> Kind of overkill, but again, the use-case is important
28 [00:34:49] <greycat> running an rsync every minute is horrifying
29 [00:35:09] <ndegruchy> Probably better to trigger on a fs event, yes
30 [00:35:49] <ndegruchy> Also sudo is likely not needed
31 [00:36:01] <ndegruchy> unless you're not 'jak'
32 [00:36:32] <alex11> you can write to /var unprivileged?
33 [00:36:48] <greycat> you also should not be blindly copying crap from /home/jak/ into production without some sort of sanity check
34 [00:37:01] <ndegruchy> alex11: well, if you've got the right permissions, yes
35 [00:37:07] <alex11> right
36 [00:37:12] <greycat> you should only be pushing crap into production when you feel it's *ready*, which means you do it yourself at your time of choosing
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39 [00:37:47] <ndegruchy> greycat: I imagine there isn't much of a concept of 'production' here.
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42 [00:38:07] <alex11> rsync every minute is overkill in pretty much every situation
43 [00:41:08] <ndegruchy> Gotta wear that SSD out *somehow*
44 [00:42:10] <ndegruchy> I mean, jak2000, if you need it updated in that folder so badly, why not just symlink the folder to replaced-url
45 [00:42:43] <ndegruchy> The whole situation is a giant footgun, but if you want to do it, I'm not here to tell you no.
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142 [03:26:37] <ryouma> this hd docking station replaced-url
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144 [03:29:03] <ryouma> my goal is to have ordinary internal drives, but external to the computer. bootable that i don't have to open a case for but can replace and move from computer to compuater. preferably everything works (booting, SMART, etc.). should i get 2 tool-less fast bootable enclosures instead? i am unclear on the difference between enclosure and docking station.
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186 [04:33:43] <rk4> if for some reason it didn't, could throw /boot on a crappy $5 USB2 drive too
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277 [07:00:10] <unixbsd> Hello, I used tilem with the ti-82. is there an emulator for the ti-92?
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281 [07:06:42] <themill> ,i tiemu
282 [07:06:44] <judd> Package tiemu (math, optional) in buster/amd64: Texas Instruments calculators emulator (without GDB). Version: 3.04~git20110801-nogdb+dfsg1-2; Size: 1622.9k; Installed: 4193k; Homepage: replaced-url
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285 [07:15:05] <unixbsd> thank you. I will download it. Thank you and have a great day.
286 [07:15:26] <themill> I know nothing about it... good luck with it ;)
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288 [07:17:16] <unixbsd> I heard that we had a x11/libx11 ti85 emulator in potatoe in the past time.
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290 [07:19:41] <unixbsd> Can this soft still run on buster? replaced-url
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293 [07:21:36] <unixbsd> ah I found it replaced-url
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307 [07:27:38] <unixbsd> however I have it... but it fails to compile: configure: error: *** Missing library stdc++ *** /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep stdc++ libstdc++.so.6 (libc6,hard-float) => /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6
308 [07:29:11] <themill> 20 year old C++... good luck with that. (A while back I looked at some C++ of mine from 1996 and found that it was a monumental effort to get it to compile with a modern g++)
309 [07:30:40] <unixbsd> Plain C is better for longevity ?
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312 [07:32:15] <themill> mostly. It was easier to (accidentally) write code that worked but relied on undocumented behaviours in C++ at the time
313 [07:33:13] <unixbsd> then c++ came in in 1990 and this was revolution... he wrote his book and nowadays all companies use it.
314 [07:33:14] <roycroft> cobol has stood the test of time best of all
315 [07:33:20] <roycroft> unfortunately, cobol coders haven't
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318 [07:33:43] <unixbsd> i never use cobol. prolog was the first multi tty system
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320 [07:34:03] <unixbsd> cobol or prolog i cannot remember this one in 1985 that was multi console
321 [07:35:49] <unixbsd> the question remain why we, human, do try to keep old code to work.
322 [07:36:00] <roycroft> i've seen prolog code, but i've never learned it
323 [07:36:56] <unixbsd> This time win3.1. just came in, and prolog was too much / way console/term oriented. we started to play with desktop, on win31., and this came to be today, win power
324 [07:38:38] <roycroft> i was already using unix before dos came about
325 [07:38:46] <roycroft> cp/m on the microcomputers i worked on at the time
326 [07:39:00] <unixbsd> wow that s cool.
327 [07:39:03] <roycroft> i pretty much skipped ms dos and windows
328 [07:39:13] <unixbsd> which cp/m box you add?
329 [07:39:30] <roycroft> i don't think i missed anything :)
330 [07:40:04] <unixbsd> which machine cpm did you you ? amstrad , kai prob,..?
331 [07:40:37] <roycroft> i used a lot of the early ones - altair, imsai, various no-name s-100 bus machines
332 [07:41:38] <unixbsd> that's so cool
333 [07:41:55] <roycroft> it was so long ago i've forgotten a lot of the stuff i did then
334 [07:43:34] <unixbsd> this is because we cannot maintain a tech to run still. only C remains (but this is later). Currently I try to learn gfortran
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336 [07:46:09] <unixbsd> altair 8800 is impressive box
337 [07:46:14] <unixbsd> to open it would be interesting
338 [07:46:37] <unixbsd> ahh lot of chips inside. at lleast possibel to fix with soldering if somethines is wrong.
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346 [08:07:33] <unixbsd> roycroft: this was linux at that age... Agenda VR3 impressive.
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394 [09:10:23] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> unixbsd, would you say the raspberry pi is the modern day commodore64?
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401 [09:35:16] <jelly> that's an apt comparison but I'm not sure r.pi has had a comparable effect of bringing computing closer to kids and adults
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452 [10:44:44] <unixbsd> the raspberry is very slow for education software
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454 [10:45:20] <unixbsd> the team of kde targets QT and high library. so education with raspberry is unlickely. rather pin64 would be better approach for more opensource area.
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465 [10:58:00] <f8e4> hi folks, how to scan a dir and delete all folders whose prefix 123 < 200; eg 123_dir1 ?
466 [10:58:36] <f8e4> i try to do this on a remote host (which tool) ?
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468 [10:59:27] <bozh> clear
469 [10:59:50] <S3xyL1nux> rm 123* ?
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472 [11:00:36] <S3xyL1nux> use -R flag
473 [11:00:42] <f8e4> S3xyL1nux there is a numeric comparison
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475 [11:02:58] <diogenes_> maybe somethin like: find . -type f -name 'something' -exec <your rm command>
476 [11:03:58] <S3xyL1nux> ls | grep -o '[[:digit:]]' > file.txt ...... then read each line with head and tail and remove each ?
477 [11:04:05] <S3xyL1nux> there are many ways
478 [11:08:36] <f8e4> i am so newb on cmds
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480 [11:09:45] <S3xyL1nux> what you mean by 123 < 200
481 [11:10:02] <S3xyL1nux> 123 less than 200 ?!
482 [11:10:14] <f8e4> yes :D its math, i think i do a py script
483 [11:10:26] <S3xyL1nux> 123 greater than 200 ?!
484 [11:10:43] <f8e4> if less than x del it
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486 [11:11:52] <S3xyL1nux> you mean if x < 200 ?
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489 [11:14:33] <S3xyL1nux> dir | print -rl -- **/cap_20151023T<0-200>_*
490 [11:14:41] <S3xyL1nux> and tell me what you get
491 [11:15:03] <S3xyL1nux> dir | print -rl -- **/whatevername<0-200>_*
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493 [11:15:50] <S3xyL1nux> dir | print -rl -- **/whatevername<0-200>_* > file.txt
494 [11:16:03] <S3xyL1nux> this will get you all the file you want to delete , i guess
495 [11:16:09] <john_rambo> Hi, 1st time using Debian .... I want the STABLE / NON FREE / MATE iso ... Please give me the *official* download link
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497 [11:16:16] <f8e4> S3xyL1nux thank you
498 [11:16:20] <S3xyL1nux> then use loop with head and tail to delete them
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500 [11:16:57] <f8e4> john_rambo welcome
501 [11:17:08] <john_rambo> f8e4, Thanks
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505 [11:21:31] <f8e4> john_rambo 1 sec
506 [11:21:44] <john_rambo> f8e4, Okay
507 [11:22:10] <f8e4> replaced-url
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509 [11:22:23] <f8e4> download only debian-10.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso (got ALL the things you need)
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511 [11:22:42] <f8e4> burn it to usb/dvd and boot from it, gui will guide you
512 [11:23:07] <f8e4> oh, NON FREE / MATE .. mmh
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515 [11:23:57] <f8e4> john_rambo it think mate is desktop env, so it should be in the gui to choose when you install, eg xfce gnome, probabley mate too
516 [11:25:16] <john_rambo> f8e4, That DVD iso is I think a combination of multiple DEs ... I use 4G internet so cant downlaod that much ...Is there an iso specifically for MATE ?
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518 [11:27:09] <f8e4> me just newb, all i know, use icafe :D
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525 [11:30:20] <EdePopede> f8e4: replaced-url
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527 [11:33:05] <EdePopede> f8e4: i have a couple of numbered html files here, to list a subset: $ ls {002..005}*.html
528 [11:33:28] <EdePopede> still can't remember if it's bashism or POSIX but it may be a starting point
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543 [11:40:49] <tomreyn> "possible bashism in /tmp/potentialbashism line 1 (brace expansion, {a..b[..c]}should be $(seq a [c] b))"
544 [11:41:50] <tomreyn> ...according to checkbashisms after echo 'ls {002..005}*.html' >/tmp/potentialbashism
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549 [11:48:33] <f8e4> ok simple: 1604749247 is epoch, it is full dir name; i try to delete every dir that is younger than 'date -u +%s'
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555 [11:53:47] <tomreyn> find -printf '%A@' should help there
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562 [12:02:05] <EdePopede> tomreyn: which tool is this?
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567 [12:05:45] <tomreyn> EdePopede: $ dpkg -S $(which checkbashisms)
568 [12:05:45] <tomreyn> devscripts: /usr/bin/checkbashisms
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570 [12:06:38] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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583 [12:21:47] <EdePopede> ah, devscripts. maybe i'll finally get the step done this weekend.
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595 [12:42:38] <Lope> I've got a VM that has sddm masked. But the weird thing is I started the VM now, and sddm started up, and launched KDE
596 [12:43:10] <Lope> how can sddm spontaneously run at startup when it's supposed to be masked?
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610 [12:53:16] <NetTerminalGene> Lope: i don't understand and know what it is but sddm got update. it is maybe because of this? debian.org
611 [12:54:10] <Brigo> Lope, it is not the first time a hear about a masked service starting anyway. I don't know why, though.
612 [12:54:20] <Brigo> NetTerminalGene, what?
613 [12:55:03] <NetTerminalGene> Brigo: replaced-url
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615 [12:58:26] <gour> hello, after some time spent with fedora, i've decided to return back to debian (sid probably). on fedora i tried with btrfs (prior to upgrade to fc32, but on debian i was always using xfs. now i wonder what do you think about putting / on xfs and using btrfs for home or it is better to simply stay with xfs?
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621 [13:08:27] <Lope> NetTerminalGene, Brigo okay, I'll enable and then disable then mask, for good measure.
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635 [13:42:43] <Brigo> gour, it is not a simple decission and depends mostly in personal taste and needs.
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642 [13:54:54] <gour> Brigo: well, my desktop machine has raid-1 setup, so wonder whether in that case, btrfs bring me something over xfs? i also do not need snapshots since i'm doing regular backup on external disk (rdx cartridge)
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648 [14:00:17] <Brigo> gour, i would say you answer your question pretty well :)
649 [14:00:29] <gour> :-)
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669 [14:24:07] <unsecur3d> whats up peepz
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672 [14:25:09] <EdePopede> debian's up and running.
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684 [14:34:57] <NetTerminalGene> EdePopede: do you use dns caching?
685 [14:35:38] <abrotman> Doesn't everyone, on some level?
686 [14:36:33] <joze> gut dass die jtzt zum bohren beginnem als ich diesen mist höre
687 [14:36:45] <joze> das ist sehr gut
688 [14:36:52] <joze> *louder*
689 [14:36:55] <EdePopede> *shrug* i never cared about DNS more than to redirect some annoying hosts and have others available even in case of dns failure.
690 [14:37:22] <EdePopede> joze: nennt man wochenende :P
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702 [14:52:22] <Brigo> i didn¡t know dns caching could make you talk in german. I have to try it!
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708 [14:55:25] <joze> mmm
709 [14:55:49] <joze> huch
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711 [14:56:08] <joze> wron channel!
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721 [15:07:22] <AlwaysLivid> Hey, I'm looking to install Debian headlessly. Is there an official way of doing so that I may have missed out on?
722 [15:09:17] <abrotman> dpkg: ssh install
723 [15:09:17] <dpkg> ssh install is, like, replaced-url
724 [15:09:28] <AlwaysLivid> (Or is there Appreciated.
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726 [15:09:52] <AlwaysLivid> (oops, i forgot to delete my previous message that i stopped typing)
727 [15:09:54] <AlwaysLivid> thanks nevertheless!
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880 [17:41:21] <oxek> I ran apt upgrade on my debian stable system, and now whenever I run a webgl game in firefox or chromium my system stops responding.
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882 [17:41:48] <oxek> I was previously using the backported 5.7 kernel, and it got upgraded to 5.8, however selecting 5.7 in grub does not fix the issue
883 [17:42:52] <oxek> I see errors like this in dmesg: nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/nv84_xuc00f (-2)
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885 [17:44:24] <oxek> I do have firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree installed
886 [17:44:42] <oxek> and they are the backports versions
887 [17:44:51] <Lope> I've got a spare network interface on a PC that's setup as "auto eth0 \n allow-hotplug eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp" which is all nice and good. But it delays the boot process when I start the PC with a network cable unplugged from that interface.
888 [17:45:05] <Lope> Is it possible to tell it to not wait or whatever if it's unplugged?
889 [17:45:05] <oxek> also firmware-misc-nonfree is installed too
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925 [18:22:26] <Brigo> oxek, i think is graphic car related, maybe nvidia-driver not compiled after the kernel upgrade?
926 [18:22:41] <Somelauw> Is there a builtin way (like use-alternatives) to make python a symlink to python3?
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928 [18:24:04] <oxek> Brigo: I'm using nouveau driver not nvidia drivers, so no compilation should be required
929 [18:24:30] <oxek> I really should not have ran apt upgrade
930 [18:24:31] <Somelauw> i already did sudo apt remove python2 and it still exists
931 [18:24:38] <oxek> never run apt upgrade on a working system...
932 [18:25:12] <Brigo> oxek, can you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors? they should start with (EE)
933 [18:26:34] <Somelauw> ok, i did it, remove python2-minimal python2-stdlib and python2.7 too and you're rid of it forever
934 [18:27:12] <oxek> this is so weird, "(EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)"
935 [18:27:24] <oxek> the system thinks nvidia proprietary drivers are installed but they are not
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939 [18:31:48] <Brigo> oxek, no, nv is not the propietary, the propietary is nvidia (i am using it).
940 [18:31:53] <Brigo> replaced-url
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949 [18:39:13] <oxek> I fixed the firmware loading issue now, but the system still freezes
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957 [18:50:32] <Brigo> oxek, any helpfull information from logs?
958 [18:50:56] <oxek> the only thing I can see in dmesg before system freeze is CE: hpet increased min_delta_ns to 152745 nsec
959 [18:53:18] <Brigo> oxek, are you using nouveau with kms?
960 [18:53:37] <oxek> I don't know
961 [18:53:53] <oxek> I did not do anything special with this system, just installed debian
962 [18:54:04] <oxek> did not install any proprietary drivers nor do any system configuration
963 [18:54:11] <oxek> so whichever is default
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965 [18:54:38] <Brigo> do you have that error ones or several times eve before the freeze?
966 [18:54:50] <oxek> several times, with progressively longer nsec
967 [18:55:04] <Brigo> in the Xorg.0.log you can see what driver Xorg is using.
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969 [18:55:54] <Brigo> oxek, is a very new graphic card?
970 [18:55:59] <oxek> very old
971 [18:56:04] <oxek> 10 years
972 [18:57:24] <oxek> I don't get it, I get messages like "(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs" in the xorg log
973 [18:57:26] <Brigo> you can check last logs for messages before freezings, like Xorg.1.org or syslog
974 [18:57:40] <oxek> how can I check that nvidia driver is really not in use?
975 [18:57:44] <Brigo> oxek, pasteit if you want.
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978 [19:02:00] <oxek> I think I'll just reinstall
979 [19:02:08] <oxek> will be simpler than debugging
980 [19:02:20] <oxek> and at least it will be a fresh system instead of system where apt upgrade was ever run
981 [19:02:34] <alex11> yeah but the next time you do the upgrade...
982 [19:02:45] <oxek> I just won't upgrade the system
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984 [19:03:08] <oxek> I thought it would be safe on debian, but it's a system like every other - upgrades break working stuff
985 [19:03:16] <oxek> hence never upgrade unless something is broken
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987 [19:04:10] <oxek> it's not debians fault of course, all systems are like that
988 [19:04:11] <alex11> weeeell...
989 [19:04:34] <Brigo> oxek, it is very rare that a stable upgrade brakes a system in debian.
990 [19:04:46] <oxek> and security issues are overblown - in my experience I've never been victim of a security issue, but have been a victim of system upgrades breaking stuff
991 [19:04:52] <Brigo> oxek, maybe it is there is not perfect system.
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993 [19:05:07] <oxek> computers were a mistake
994 [19:05:07] <Brigo> oxek, there you have a point
995 [19:05:08] <Zathras> maybe the move from xorg to wayland is troublesome here?
996 [19:05:20] <oxek> Zathras: it's an nvidia system, wayland does not work
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998 [19:05:35] <Zathras> ah yeah. closed source crap
999 [19:05:47] <oxek> even the open source nouveau stuff does not work with wayland
1000 [19:05:58] <Brigo> oxek, if you using nouveau maybe you just need to active kms in the bios.
1001 [19:06:09] <oxek> in the system bios?
1002 [19:06:21] <oxek> never seen an option like that in any system bios
1003 [19:06:43] <oxek> and for the video bios, there are no options at all, it's just a blob
1004 [19:07:18] <Zathras> a new videocard is 30-50 USD/Euro? Saves you some time.
1005 [19:07:33] <oxek> a 30-50 any currency I do not have
1006 [19:07:41] <Zathras> with increased performance and a more future proof path
1007 [19:07:46] <oxek> that's why I use 10 yo hardware
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1009 [19:08:13] <oxek> if I had money, I'd first buy more food, clothing, better housing, and only then upgrade hardware
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1012 [19:09:02] <oxek> the only thing I have lots of is time
1013 [19:09:08] <Zathras> regarding your security remark: I would cancel your insurance against a house burned down if you have never had that...
1014 [19:09:20] <diogenes_> oxek, are you in India?
1015 [19:09:30] <oxek> Zathras: don't have any insurance currently, not even medical
1016 [19:09:50] <JyZyXEL> oxek: or do you.. dun dundunnnnn
1017 [19:10:26] <oxek> in any case, thank you for trying to help, I learned how to fix the firmware loading issue if it happens again, and for this main issue I'll reinstall and see if it happens again
1018 [19:10:35] <oxek> starting from a very clean slate will be easier to debug
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1020 [19:12:15] <Brigo> oxek, it is your call, but it wouldn't suprise me if you end up in the same spot. maybe no, hopfully.
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1034 [19:36:31] <oft_gegong> do you guys remember back in Debian 3.0 when you had to manually compile your kernel?
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1036 [19:36:39] <oft_gegong> to install Debian
1037 [19:37:32] <alex11> i haven't been using debian that long but it's nice to no longer need to do that
1038 [19:37:33] <Brigo> i don't remember if it was a must. What was debian 3.0? slinky?
1039 [19:37:50] <alex11> woody
1040 [19:38:07] <Brigo> slinky 4 and potato 5?
1041 [19:38:42] <alex11> slink was 2.1; 4 is etch, 5 is lenny
1042 [19:39:21] <Brigo> I remember i started with a slink booting from a cd and soon after i installed potato in the hard disk.
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1044 [19:39:40] <Brigo> potato was 2.2, just checked
1045 [19:40:36] <jmcnaught> !release names
1046 [19:40:36] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
1047 [19:41:09] <oft_gegong> holy cow my whole life is spilled onto this table
1048 [19:41:18] <Brigo> I do remember though that compiling kernel was the usual thing then, i think there even weren't modules yet, so you have to compile what you want carefully so you have support for every thing and and the kernel was still small
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1064 [19:46:48] <Dotz0cat_> I am having trouble getting something packaged. It is because I have no idea how to do the dependencies on debian. here is the control file replaced-url
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1067 [19:49:53] <alex11> hey Dotz0cat_, if you don't get any answers here you can try #debian-mentors on oftc
1068 [19:50:09] <Brigo> dpkg, tell Dotz0cat_ about mentors
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1071 [19:50:58] <bryanpedini> msg dpkg guidelines
1072 [19:51:06] <bryanpedini> oops...
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1074 [19:55:33] <bryanpedini> Okay, read them all
1075 [19:55:33] <bryanpedini> I can't seem to be able to connect my mini PC to WiFi since I installed Debian 10.6.0 an hour ago or so, I manually installed "realtek-firmware", "wireless-tools" and "wpasupplicant"
1076 [19:56:52] <bryanpedini> then tried 1. /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf (with generated psk from wpa_passphrase and also plain password), 2. wpa_supplicant from CLI, 3. with and without the network interface configured with dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and finally 4. directives "wpa-ssid" and "wpa-psk" in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup <interface> from CLI
1077 [19:57:26] <bryanpedini> (also tried WPS with wpa_cli wps_pbc)
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1080 [20:01:01] <Dotz0cat_> about the mentors chanel, all I see on oftc is debian-mentors-es
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1082 [20:01:13] <bryanpedini> wpa_cli wps_pbc says "ok" but does nothing, wpa_supplicant from systemd doesn't produce any error in either journalctl nor systemctl status, wpa_supplicant from CLI goes on error CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=xx:xx reason=3 locally_generated=1, after telling "Authentication with xx:xx:xx timed out"
1083 [20:02:01] <bryanpedini> and that should sum it up all... any ideas are very welcome! Tried first entire page of Google results (custom page lenght to 50) and still aren't able to connect to WiFi
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1086 [20:02:50] <jmcnaught> Dotz0cat_: are you trying to get your package into Debian?
1087 [20:03:34] <Dotz0cat_> no trying to get help with the control file first
1088 [20:03:39] <bryanpedini> (side note: I just installed Debian 10.6.0, replacing Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS, and I was able to connect there, but I didn't want a desktop version OS on a headless machine, so that's why)
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1091 [20:04:03] <jmcnaught> Dotz0cat_: I would try #packaging on OFTC then, #debian-mentors is more about getting packages into Debian.
1092 [20:05:28] <Dotz0cat_> ok
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1106 [20:19:45] <H-var> so if I have an ntfs partition on my debian, then this partition is vulnerable?
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1113 [20:24:18] <TrashZomb> Hello everybody, I come to say that there may be a problem with recordMyDesktop. gtk-recordmydesktop doesn't exist anymore, and using it in the console fail to see "Error while opening/configuring soundcard hw:0,0". Have you met the same problem?
1114 [20:24:51] <unixbsd> In tilem, is it possible to have a classic ti82 like this one ? replaced-url
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1128 [20:46:14] <Zathras> TrashZomb, seems there is little activity on the package after 2012 (8 years). The config problem is probably a user issue
1129 [20:46:45] <Zathras> or rather in the gtk frontend: replaced-url
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1132 [20:49:39] <TrashZomb> I see... I have to find a new recorder... it worked perfectly (for my use) though. :(
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1134 [20:50:06] <TrashZomb> thank you for your answer Zathras
1135 [20:51:34] <Zathras> TrashZomb, the recorder itself is still maintained in Debian so it seems
1136 [20:51:57] <Zathras> replaced-url
1137 [20:53:13] <Zathras> or I should say: again : replaced-url
1138 [20:54:49] <TrashZomb> In fact it work with the console but with a sound problem. I have been given this which seems in good way. I'll test it more. recordmydesktop --device pulse
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1143 [20:56:24] <TrashZomb> I have to go, thank you! :)
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1149 [21:01:41] <unixbsd> on raspberry pi, there is in tiemu the need to fix: :/usr# cp share/tiemu/skins/ipaq_89.skn share/tiemu/skins/ipaq_ti89.skn
1150 [21:03:38] <scakko> does anyone know how to change the gdm login screen in buster?
1151 [21:03:58] <scakko> changing the background from gnome-tweaks only changes lock screen
1152 [21:04:54] <epictetus2> iv'e been experimenting with cronjobs. adding PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" in my user's crontab doesnt work because vixiecron doesn't do bash-style expansions. How do you suggest I setup the correct paths?
1153 [21:04:54] <scakko> editing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults does not work...
1154 [21:05:59] <scakko> i've managed to remove the logo by editing greeter.dconf-defaults, but it seems to ignore the background configuration
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1167 [21:26:12] <jhutchins> scakko: You should use the full explicit path in crontabs.
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1169 [21:27:42] <jhutchins> epictetus2: You should use the full explicit path to what you're calling in crontabs. It's not like you have to type it out every time.
1170 [21:27:44] <scakko> jhutchins: you meant epictetus2?
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1172 [21:27:55] <jhutchins> scakko: Ayuh.
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1198 [21:50:10] <Brigo> ede
1199 [21:50:10] <epictetus2> jhutchins: yeah but if I do PATH="/home/epic/bin" i get errors like /bin/sh: 1: dirname: not found
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1210 [21:56:58] <hop> of course
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1219 [22:08:07] <jhutchins> Don't do a path at all. When you want to run something from /home/epic/bin, run /home/epic/bin/<something>
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1221 [22:08:45] <jhutchins> epictetus2: Don't do a path at all. When you want to run something from /home/epic/bin, run /home/epic/bin/<something>
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1227 [22:10:05] <jhutchins> epictetus2: Same rule for scripts. Don't rely on an unpredictable environment.
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1249 [22:25:28] <epictetus2> jhutchins: i see. thanks
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1281 [23:02:07] <auk> E: The repository 'replaced-url
1282 [23:02:18] <auk> ^ not sure why i'm getting this error/how to fix?
1283 [23:02:34] <alex11> because it won't exist until bullseye is released
1284 [23:02:34] <alex11> AFAIK
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1287 [23:05:38] <auk> ah, i think i fixed it
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1289 [23:05:44] <auk> they changed the naming conventions
1290 [23:06:07] <Big_Aziz> Hi
1291 [23:06:10] <auk> replaced-url
1292 [23:06:40] <H-var> Aziz, LIGHT!!!
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1295 [23:07:44] <dnull> Nice.
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1300 [23:09:03] <auk> hi Big_Aziz
1301 [23:09:12] <auk> follow up to my prev q..
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1303 [23:09:31] <auk> is it recommended to reboot between `upgrade` and `dist-upgrade`?
1304 [23:09:37] <auk> (when doing major version upgrades)
1305 [23:10:13] <Brigo> auk, not , at least the kernel got upgrade, and even then.
1306 [23:11:06] <auk> Brigo, ok cool
1307 [23:11:07] <auk> thx
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1310 [23:12:11] <jmcnaught> auk: there is a checkrestart command in the debian-goodies package that tells you about stuff that needs to be restarted. There are also the needrestart and needrestart-session packages.
1311 [23:12:50] <alex11> needrestart hooks into apt and is a fork of checkrestart so most users will likely prefer that
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1313 [23:13:00] <auk> jmcnaught, are you saying i'll get warnings/instructions from apt? or do i need to install those tools manually
1314 [23:13:25] <jmcnaught> auk: they're not installed automatically.
1315 [23:13:56] <auk> jmcnaught, alex11 ok so i'd be recommended to do `apt install needrestart`
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1317 [23:14:04] <alex11> yes
1318 [23:14:07] <jmcnaught> auk: also for testing support you are better off on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next (the testing channel)
1319 [23:14:10] <auk> cool
1320 [23:14:14] <auk> jmcnaught, ahah thanks
1321 [23:14:25] <auk> oh
1322 [23:14:30] <alex11> i would have no idea what services to restart if not for needrestart
1323 [23:14:38] <auk> i dont think oftc will let me on right now with vpn
1324 [23:14:41] <alex11> i wish it would do that stuff automatically but alas
1325 [23:14:42] <auk> :/
1326 [23:15:28] <auk> alex11, yeah that would be nice
1327 [23:15:50] <auk> at least i'm doing this in a vm
1328 [23:16:03] <auk> not like 10 years ago where i had to just cross my fingers and hope
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1330 [23:17:46] <alex11> i'm sure a large % of linux users run apt upgrade and see that some stuff got updated and if it doesn't prompt them to do anything nothing gets restarted
1331 [23:18:19] <auk> i mean it does auto restarts for anything it can right
1332 [23:18:26] <alex11> i don't think so
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1334 [23:18:32] <alex11> i wonder if the bsd model is more sane
1335 [23:18:34] <auk> any normal services, above kernel etc
1336 [23:18:38] <auk> huh
1337 [23:18:43] <alex11> it doesn't
1338 [23:18:43] <auk> i thought it did auto restarts
1339 [23:18:49] <esplinter> no it allways aks for permission
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1341 [23:18:52] <auk> pretty sure dnf does, for high-level services
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1343 [23:19:06] <alex11> without needrestart i don't think it ever asks
1344 [23:19:11] <auk> i see
1345 [23:19:14] <alex11> it just tells you 'hey you updated the kernel, reboot'
1346 [23:19:17] <alex11> but that's it
1347 [23:19:22] <auk> aye
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1349 [23:19:56] <auk> package managers are amazing but also so frustrating
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1352 [23:23:31] <auk> so i already started `upgrade`, if i install needrestart *after*, is it going to tell me anything about the upgrades i just did?
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1355 [23:25:21] <auk> ok... better question.. is there any *harm* in rebooting between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
1356 [23:25:33] <Brigo> auk, you can't install anything during an upgrade.
1357 [23:25:42] <auk> i'm leaning towards extra reboots just to be on the safe side
1358 [23:25:43] <Brigo> auk, there is no harm
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1361 [23:25:54] <auk> Brigo, right i meant installing it after
1362 [23:25:59] <auk> Brigo, cool thanks
1363 [23:26:08] <auk> gonna restart it
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1372 [23:35:45] <hyiltiz> Been getting `curl: (7) Coulnd't connect to server` error for any link even though wget works. Any idea?
1373 [23:36:13] <alex11> i wonder if it's a certificate issue
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1375 [23:36:52] <hyiltiz> yeah that is what I am wondering too but `openssl verify /etc/ssl/cert.pem` says "OK"
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1378 [23:40:55] <alex11> i'm out of my depth here but have you tried doing it with strace?
1379 [23:41:14] <hyiltiz> sure will try
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1383 [23:44:34] <hop> error 7 is a connection error, no ssl involved
1384 [23:44:56] <hop> are you trying curl and wget from the same machine?
1385 [23:45:00] <hyiltiz> hmm so how can wget work but not curl? (no proxy anywhere nor vpn)
1386 [23:45:03] <hyiltiz> same machines
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1391 [23:46:30] <hyiltiz> same machine, no machines
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1393 [23:48:33] <hop> try the ip directly instead of a hostname, to rule out dns
1394 [23:49:02] <hop> can you give us the actual address?
1395 [23:49:56] <hyiltiz-M> replaced-url
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1398 [23:51:29] <hyiltiz-M> replaced-url
1399 [23:52:08] <hop> curl -v replaced-url
1400 [23:52:20] <hyiltiz-M> yeah see that paste
1401 [23:52:30] <hop> sorry, my window got stuck
1402 [23:52:37] <hyiltiz-M> no worries
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1404 [23:53:36] <hop> i get completely different ips
1405 [23:53:41] <hyiltiz-M> including ping: replaced-url
1406 [23:53:44] <hop> some cdn, porbably
1407 [23:53:53] <hyiltiz-M> yeah ping is behaving differently
1408 [23:54:41] <hop> aws ec2
1409 [23:54:48] <hop> i'd blame the other end and move on
1410 [23:55:10] <hyiltiz-M> github user content: replaced-url
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1412 [23:55:40] <[sr]> hi, i saw a command that i forgot to save, that would give me the installed php packages, like "php-all" or so
1413 [23:56:04] <[sr]> it would give all php packages installed, like: php7.4-mysql php7.4-gd
1414 [23:56:06] <[sr]> and so on
1415 [23:56:17] <[sr]> anyone knows the command name?
1416 [23:56:23] <[sr]> forgot to note it :(
1417 [23:56:24] <hyiltiz-M> cdimage.debian.org replaced-url
1418 [23:56:37] <hyiltiz-M> We cannot blame debian.org though, no?
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1420 [23:57:03] <hop> hyiltiz-M: ah, that's something different, then. you should have told us earlier (:
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1423 [23:57:26] <hop> reinstall curl and libcurl
1424 [23:57:31] <hyiltiz-M> haha sorry it is just the curl is broken, regardless of remote
1425 [23:57:37] <hyiltiz-M> hmm good idea
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1427 [23:58:12] <hop> [sr]: `dpkg -l` lists all installed packages. you can grep that
1428 [23:58:30] <hop> otherwise you'll have to specify what you mean by "installed"
1429 [23:58:45] <[sr]> hop: thanks, but it was a command that gave all the installed in one line
1430 [23:58:59] <[sr]> i could do a: apt-get install `php-show-all-installed`
1431 [23:59:02] <[sr]> something like this
1432 [23:59:03] <hop> .oO(seriously?)
1433 [23:59:41] <[sr]> yes
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