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• 16[00:16:36] <maxrazer> How do I look up the command after installing a package? For some reason it isn't working.
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• 20[00:17:01] <nkuttler> maxrazer: dpkg -L <package> | grep bin ?
• 21[00:17:02] <maxrazer> I don't see anything in /bin/ either.
• 22[00:17:28] <nkuttler> /bin is for system stuff
• 23[00:17:30] <sney> !buster su
• 24[00:17:31] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 25[00:17:53] <sney> if it's in /sbin or /usr/sbin, and you're getting command not found, this is the likely reason
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• 27[00:18:45] <maxrazer> nkuttler, can I run dpkg -L on a third party package I download and install locally? It isn't working.
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• 30[00:19:20] <maxrazer> oh ok. I see wait
• 31[00:20:11] <maxrazer> nkuttler, ok, the package put it in /opt/, which isn't in my path
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• 35[00:22:33] <maxrazer> I run the command on the apt argument of the package name too, not the actual package file.
• 36[00:23:02] <maxrazer> I thought I couldn't run it on the package name argument stored within dpkg/apt because I didn't know the name. But, it does follow the convention of the package file name.
• 37[00:23:32] <maxrazer> I just put a script in ~/scrips to execute the /opt/program/bin/executable
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• 71[00:54:04] <Kaedenn> How can I determine why "The following packages have been kept back:" when I run "apt upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade"?
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• 73[00:54:33] <astronavt> Kaedenn, i was dealing with this recently. i dont think there is a good way to tell, other than looking for version conflicts in deps
• 74[00:54:47] <astronavt> apparently the `aptitude safe-upgrade` command has better dependency resolution
• 75[00:55:06] <astronavt> ive come to accept that on testing i will always have a few of those packages
• 76[00:55:50] <sney> on testing, it's often caused by transitions
• 77[00:56:36] <sney> for instance if you have a testing system where 'libllvm10:i386' is held back, that's mostly due to the ocaml transition
• 78[00:56:54] <sney> tracker is a good resource for finding this out.
• 79[00:56:55] <sney> !tracker
• 80[00:56:56] <dpkg> The Debian package tracker can be found at replaced-url
• 81[00:57:13] <Kaedenn> For me, it's virtualbox (and two other virtualbox-related packages)
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• 84[00:58:04] <sney> testing/sid questions are more appropriate in #debian-next on OFTC, also. (note, you are currently on freenode.) virtualbox is only in sid and unlikely to ever be in a debian stable release again
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• 88[01:00:21] <Kaedenn> OFTC?
• 89[01:00:31] <sney> !oftc
• 90[01:00:31] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. replaced-url
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• 92[01:01:02] <Kaedenn> Should I create an account on that IRC and prefer them over irc.freenode.org, org?
• 93[01:01:11] <Kaedenn> s/org\?/or?/
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• 95[01:01:34] <sney> debian's official irc channels are all on OFTC. a few are maintained here on freenode for historical reasons. many of us are on both
• 96[01:02:03] <Kaedenn> Is there a nickserv service there that I need to register to, as well?
• 97[01:02:10] <sney> yes
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• 105[01:05:32] <Kaedenn> Got all that set up, thank you.
• 106[01:05:45] <sney> np
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• 269[03:55:36] <wwilliam> for testing purposes i need to mount and nfs share on same nfs server can this be done?
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• 276[04:05:47] <hop> can you rephrase that? seems there are some typos in that question
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• 298[04:48:12] <k-man> wwilliam: i don't see why you couldn't as long as you mount the share to a mount point different to the source
• 299[04:48:24] <astronavt> is there any downside to having networkmanager manage ethernet connections?
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• 328[05:27:16] <azubieta> I have another apt-get related question. Is there a way to avoid `apt-get install` from configuring packages after they are extracted
• 329[05:28:32] <alex11> i guess only if you removed the postinst script
• 330[05:28:43] <alex11> but your real question is "how do i avoid services autostarting", isn't it
• 331[05:28:59] <alex11> ...i shouldn't put words in people's mouths
• 332[05:29:13] <alex11> i don't know for sure though, someone else can back me up or not
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• 336[05:38:04] <genr8_> yes but i forgot how
• 337[05:41:07] <azubieta> alex11 I need to avoid every postinst script, not only the services
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• 440[08:27:00] <synack> azubieta: take a look at how debootstrap does it. there's a bunch of edge cases, but in general it does this: dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile "$pkg" | tar $EXTRACT_DEB_TAR_OPTIONS -xf -
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• 442[08:28:23] <synack> it also has logic to install all of the dependencies recursively without using apt
• 443[08:30:35] <jelly> azubieta: why are you trying to avoid postinst scripts?
• 444[08:33:26] <synack> yeah, I should also point out that this is probably a bad idea
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• 446[08:33:26] <jelly> it's a very unusual request that deserves an extraordinary reason
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• 451[08:33:26] <jelly> dpkg has --unpack but I'm not sure whether that's going to run preinst or not
• 452[08:33:26] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jelly
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• 454[08:33:26] <jelly> dpkg: shut up
• 455[08:33:26] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
• 456[08:33:26] <jelly> dpkg: be quiet
• 457[08:33:26] <mi11k1> Haha
• 458[08:33:26] <dpkg> Ah, shuddup.
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• 461[08:34:08] <mi11k1> dpkg is more intelligent than Google assistant
• 462[08:34:08] <dpkg> mi11k1: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 477[08:51:12] <behappycat> I have a microsd card reader integrated in my laptop. Whenever i try to write a image file onto it it tells me I/O Error. I tried with Etcher, Raspberry Pi Imager and with simple dd command. On the web it says if that happens the card itself is dead but when i boot into windows i can write a image file to the same card just fine with the same hardware.
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• 494[09:05:10] <ratrace> behappycat: you sure it was written fine? confirmed read back data with no corruption?
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• 496[09:05:39] <jelly> behappycat: linux driver for that card reader might be problematic and guessing the card specs wrong
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• 499[09:06:30] <jelly> sd cards may look similar but there are many different generations and specs
• 500[09:07:08] <tachikomas> is the card new ? Or one of theses extra cheap 1to cards from internet ?
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• 504[09:07:35] <jelly> behappycat: can you read the card contents if they're written on windows?
• 505[09:07:37] <behappycat> yes it's writting fine in windows, i tested the image
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• 507[09:07:44] <behappycat> and it's the exact same card
• 508[09:07:47] <trench> changed the kernel?
• 509[09:08:10] <trench> unloaded and loaded the driver?
• 510[09:08:14] <jelly> eh. Linux sucks. You can try a newer kernel blindly and hope things got fixed
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• 512[09:08:29] <jelly> trench: why would reloading the driver make any difference
• 513[09:08:43] <trench> jelly: sometimes boot stuff happens
• 514[09:09:11] <trench> jelly: it happend in the early days with some drivers
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• 516[09:10:36] <trench> jelly: who is the maker of the cardreader?
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• 518[09:10:54] <trench> behappycat: who is the maker of the cardreader?
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• 520[09:11:17] <trench> behappycat: tried backports kernel?
• 521[09:11:37] <behappycat> it's a sandisk ultra class 10 with 64gb
• 522[09:11:47] <trench> not the card
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• 524[09:11:52] <trench> the cardreader
• 525[09:12:08] <trench> lspci
• 526[09:12:17] <trench> should show it
• 527[09:12:35] <behappycat> 02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5209 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
• 528[09:12:39] <behappycat> i think it's that one
• 529[09:14:11] <trench> sony laptop?
• 530[09:14:16] <behappycat> 00:14.7 SD Host controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SD Flash Controller (rev 01)
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• 533[09:14:58] <behappycat> it's a older packard bell
• 534[09:15:12] <trench> What does uname -a give you?
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• 536[09:15:41] <behappycat> Linux nina 5.8.0-kali3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.8.14-1kali1 (2020-10-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 537[09:16:29] <trench> did it happen on earlier version of the kernel also?
• 538[09:17:15] <behappycat> yes i tested with the last version and with this one
• 539[09:18:07] <behappycat> it detects the card and the contents but give me I/O error when trying to write to it
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• 541[09:18:26] <trench> tried booting with knoppix from a live cd/usb drive?
• 542[09:19:24] <behappycat> i get some amd amdgpu drivers missing sometimes when i do apt upgrade, maybe that's the reason
• 543[09:19:34] <behappycat> no, haven't tried with another linux distri yet
• 544[09:21:03] <trench> what about the bios?
• 545[09:21:18] <trench> checked that?
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• 548[09:22:34] <behappycat> checked for what exactly? isn't it the same bios if i boot into windows?
• 549[09:23:02] <trench> if it has any updates
• 550[09:23:43] <trench> yeah, but you could get a better driver
• 551[09:24:33] <hop> what's the exact error when writing?
• 552[09:24:40] <behappycat> i see, do i need to get into the bios to find the version or is there a way i can do it with a command?
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• 556[09:26:18] <trench> behappycat: check with the maker of your laptop
• 557[09:26:55] <behappycat> @hop it appears to write to the sd card until like 94% then it gives me a I/O Error and cancels, with etcher and raspi imager. With dd command it does not give me a error message but it takes forever even with increased block size (like5h+) and when it's done the card seems corrupt and i have to format it again
• 558[09:28:03] <synack> behappycat: you may be able to update your bios with fwupd, but this doesn't sound like a bios issue to me. do you have a different sd card you can test with?
• 559[09:28:17] <trench> bedd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024k status=progress
• 560[09:28:24] <trench> added status on the back?
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• 562[09:28:36] <behappycat> yes i tried with progress
• 563[09:29:13] <behappycat> and yea i don't think it's bios related either. if i boot into windows i can write to the same card on the same hardware fine with disk imager/etcher or raspi imager
• 564[09:29:24] <behappycat> so i don't think it's the card itself
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• 567[09:30:47] <trench> rufus?
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• 569[09:31:27] <synack> it could be a lot of different things, without a better error log it's hard to say. if you can figure out what kernel driver is running the sd controller it might have additional debug flags you can turn on
• 570[09:31:52] <behappycat> the dd command is working fine for writting to usb drives though
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• 573[09:33:51] <synack> usb and sd are not the same thing
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• 577[09:36:10] <synack> this looks maybe relevant based on the lspci line you pasted earlier replaced-url
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• 579[09:37:06] <behappycat> replaced-url
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• 581[09:39:04] <behappycat> @synack it detects the card and i can read the contents when i insert it after boot
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• 587[09:43:32] <synack> so, that output says it's using the rtsx_pci driver, which I believe would be in drivers/mmc/host/rtsx_pci_sdmmc.c in the kernel source tree
• 588[09:43:51] <synack> just skimming through that driver it looks like most (maybe all?) of the errors come from the hardware
• 589[09:44:33] <synack> if I had to guess, it's either a CRC error or some weird power management bug... try disabling APM in the BIOS if you can
• 590[09:45:22] <synack> if you're comfortable with a bit of kernel debugging, there are dev_dbg messages you can turn on for that module that might provide a little more info, but I'm not sure it'll be enough to solve your problem
• 591[09:45:38] <behappycat> thanks i will try that but the bios itself gives not many options to change stuff
• 592[09:45:51] <synack> if you want to do that, take a look at this replaced-url
• 593[09:47:07] <synack> it looks like there's also a different driver available for that device in the staging tree under drivers/staging/rts5208, but generally things in staging are not to be trusted
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• 595[09:47:26] <synack> so you could try compiling the kernel with that module instead and see if that works for you
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• 597[09:50:26] <behappycat> @synack thanks! i will try to compile it with that driver
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• 599[09:50:53] <synack> the good news is that there are commits in there as recent as september, so somebody's trying to get it working upstream
• 600[09:52:22] <behappycat> replaced-url
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• 603[09:52:46] <synack> that's an older version of it from 4.10, unlikely to compile on a recent kernel without patching
• 604[09:53:44] <synack> replaced-url
• 605[09:53:56] <synack> that's from the current stable branch
• 606[09:55:12] <behappycat> thanks, do i need to remove the old driver before compiling or can i switch between them after?
• 607[09:55:48] <synack> you'll probably need to blacklist the old one in /etc/modprobe.d and reboot before loading the new one
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• 609[09:56:55] <synack> you can try rmmod the other one on a running system but it looks like it's integrated pretty tightly with the pcie controller, so that's probably gonna crash your system
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• 617[10:03:08] <Piraty> `apt install gcc` does not create /usr/bin/cc symlink. what am i missing?
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• 620[10:05:19] <synack> apt install build-essential ?
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• 624[10:08:14] <taman> Piraty, what does 'update-alternatives --display cc' show you?
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• 629[10:09:12] <Piraty> i use it in a docker container in a gitlab-ci job. i expected cc to be symlinked by default. which of the packages build-essential depends on provides this ?
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• 632[10:11:40] <Piraty> (i don't want to fetch build-essential as a whole)
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• 635[10:14:51] <hop> Piraty: /usr/bin/cc is handled by the alternatives system
• 636[10:14:58] <Piraty> yeah i see
• 637[10:15:04] <Piraty> i'll take a look
• 638[10:15:07] <hop> i guess gcc is usually the only alternative
• 639[10:15:18] <Piraty> clang might
• 640[10:15:22] <hop> well, "usually"
• 641[10:16:01] <hop> Piraty: right, but build-essential direclty depends on gcc, not clang
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• 650[10:27:23] <synack> it looks like the "gcc" package calls update-alternatives in a postinst script to create that link
• 651[10:27:37] <synack> so maybe your docker thing is suppressing that?
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• 653[10:31:35] <Piraty> let's see
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• 679[11:19:19] <trysten> so.. i want to start an app but not until someone tries to talk to it. what is the debian way to listen on a port and run a command/start a server when there's (any) activity?
• 680[11:21:33] <Haohmaru> don't you have to make a custom thing for that sorta thing?
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• 683[11:26:24] <trysten> inet is where i read about it. i'm going to see if the xinetd package can help me.
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• 688[11:30:32] <trysten> Eh.. not really.
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• 693[11:38:18] <iomintz> is systemd-networkd a good choice overall
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• 697[11:40:06] <trysten> probaby the standard, yeah.
• 698[11:40:17] <iomintz> on debian, i ran systemctl disable networking && systemctl enable systemd-networkd, then configured two .link and .network files for my VM's two network interfaces. however, after a reboot, networkctl list still reports that all links are "unmanaged". how should i get systemd I have Network.DHCP=ipv4 in both .network files but they're still not getting an IPv4 address on boot until i run dhclient -4 on each iface. what should i do? contents of
• 699[11:40:18] <iomintz> /etc/systemd/network/*: replaced-url
• 700[11:40:52] <iomintz> s/how should i get systemd/how should i get systemd to assign IPs to all ifaces at boot?/
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• 704[11:42:23] <iomintz> yo
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• 706[11:43:37] <FreeXanz> whats up debian gang
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• 710[11:47:51] <thnee> I see that tmpfiles.d is not supported at all in docker replaced-url
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• 712[11:51:38] <trysten> iomintz: sounds like your VM's need more config to bring up the iface? unless you can find it in some logs, i'd assume dhclient is working because the VM hasn't tried yet? I haven't used systemd-networkd at all so I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 713[11:52:30] <iomintz> trysten: the VM should have the ifaces early at boot. after boot the ifaces are still *up* they just have no IP
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• 717[11:56:40] <trysten> Well, anything about them failing to get an ip? Maybe they need some config in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 719[11:58:03] <trysten> erp, i mean /etc/systemd/network
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• 721[11:59:53] <trysten> i'm about to break my connection trying to upgrade to systemd heh.
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• 734[12:16:17] <iomintz> trysten: i removed the config in /etc/network/interfaces because the wiki said to. as you can see by my .network files i have systemd-networkd configured to assign them an IP via DHCP, it's just not listening to me
• 735[12:17:21] <trysten> iomintz: ok i'm updated to systemd-networkd. you must configured the network in /etc/systemd/network for it to bring it up with DHCP
• 736[12:17:34] <iomintz> please re-read my paste
• 737[12:17:39] <iomintz> replaced-url
• 738[12:18:27] <trysten> Sorry, I didn't read it the first time. Ok, read. Am I correct in thinking these files are all on your host?
• 739[12:18:37] <iomintz> what do you mean by "host"
• 740[12:19:13] <trysten> (Host:(vm)(vm))
• 741[12:19:32] <iomintz> no, they're on the VM. the VM has multiple virtual network interfaces assigned by the host
• 742[12:19:53] <iomintz> i don't have much control of the host. i only have complete control over the VM
• 743[12:23:17] <trysten> Thanks for catching me up. So.. are the links being renamed like you set?
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• 745[12:25:02] <iomintz> trysten: yes
• 746[12:25:12] <iomintz> ip link outputs: replaced-url
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• 752[12:36:38] <trysten> let's see journalctl -u systemd-networkd
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• 754[12:38:36] <trysten> Meant to mention you, iomintz
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• 756[12:43:52] <trysten> iomintz: ooh also networkctl status foo
• 757[12:44:59] <iomintz> replaced-url
• 758[12:45:04] <trysten> and I found instructions to enable debug replaced-url
• 759[12:45:25] <iomintz> hm why does it say "Network file: n/a"
• 760[12:45:29] <trysten> Ahah!
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• 763[12:49:38] <trysten> It wouldn't make sense for .network files to be processed before .links but we could rule it out by prefixing with more numbers
• 764[12:51:18] <trysten> iomintz: let's see journalctl -u systemd-networkd
• 765[12:51:57] <iomintz> oh
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• 768[12:52:11] <iomintz> hmm
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• 770[12:55:32] <iomintz> i see it "adding address"
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• 772[12:55:40] <iomintz> idk if it'll do that on boot tho
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• 775[13:00:43] <mi11k1> behappycat , too bad I missed you....been there done that.
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• 799[13:28:49] <trysten> iomintz: it should be referring to boot in the log. what's it say about adding address? are you going to put it in debug mode?
• 800[13:28:58] <iomintz> i did
• 801[13:29:02] <iomintz> and then i lost interest
• 802[13:29:03] <iomintz> sorry
• 803[13:29:28] <trysten> no worries. I'm lucky my box came back up XD
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• 809[13:34:53] <iomintz> lol
• 810[13:35:05] <iomintz> don't you have VNC/physical access to it trysten?
• 811[13:35:10] <pagios> hello, i am looking for a opensource Linux monitoring tool that allows me to centralize monitoring of my servers into a single place. For instance i would like to know the load on each of my servers using some agents and then trigger this central monitoring server via apis to get a status and do some actions. Do you recommend any project? Thank you
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• 813[13:37:04] <nkuttler> pagios: zabbix is an option
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• 815[13:37:48] <pagios> nkuttler: tried it, too complex need something really minimalistic
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• 817[13:38:12] <nkuttler> pagios: you might want to look for different tools for monitoring and actions
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• 819[13:38:31] <pagios> exactly
• 820[13:38:36] <pagios> zabbix is an overkill
• 821[13:38:42] <nkuttler> pagios: osquery is pretty lightweight, and there is fleet which apparently allows you to query remote hosts, but i haven't tried it yet
• 822[13:39:02] <pagios> just want to monitor some compute resource via an api
• 823[13:39:03] <pagios> thats all
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• 825[13:41:23] <trysten> iomintz: physical access, yes. but it's a short walk and I am lazy. networkd logs?
• 826[13:43:03] <iomintz> stop asking
• 827[13:43:32] <iomintz> for now i'm content manually running dhclient after boot
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• 832[13:45:18] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon
• 833[13:45:20] <trysten> -.- then why tf did you ask for help?
• 834[13:45:27] <no_gravity> Something extremely strange just happened ...
• 835[13:45:30] <trysten> *sigh*
• 836[13:45:42] <no_gravity> I did "cp fileA.txt fileB.txt" and now I can "cat fileB.txt" but "ls file*" does not show it.
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• 840[13:46:11] <trysten> no_gravity: what does `ls -la` show?
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• 844[13:47:05] <no_gravity> trysten: There are many many files in the directory. So just "ls -ls" shows a huge list.
• 845[13:47:37] <trysten> Can you reproduce the problem on a smaller scale?
• 846[13:49:26] <no_gravity> Oh, I found it! I made a typo! Stupid me!!
• 847[13:49:47] <no_gravity> I didn't know I am *that* stupid.
• 848[13:50:22] <jmcnaught> Nobody does.
• 849[13:51:35] <no_gravity> Now we all know.
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• 939[15:12:14] <misteradler> can't really wait for bullseye on my laptop since it had some trouble with buster's kernel and bumblebee
• 940[15:12:23] <misteradler> any schedule released yet?
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• 943[15:14:52] <Brigo> misteradler, even with backporst?
• 944[15:15:06] <Brigo> ,kernels
• 945[15:15:07] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 946[15:15:08] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 947[15:15:37] <misteradler> nah id stay with sid that way
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• 954[15:23:33] <Brigo> misteradler, i meant, the buster-backports kernel, 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 is not good enough?
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• 958[15:27:09] <misteradler> is that a good idea tho? install 5.8 kernel over somehow out-dated tools
• 959[15:27:40] <oxek> what is a simple program that lets me record a short video from a webcam, and lets me select the various resolutions available in the webcam?
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• 961[15:28:21] <misteradler> ffmpeg?
• 962[15:28:44] <oxek> ffmpeg is not very simple for me to use, but I'm sure it can do it
• 963[15:29:07] <oxek> is there a short guide somewhere that lists the exact commands to run with ffmpeg?
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• 965[15:29:27] <oxek> copy pasting commands is about the most I can do with respect to commandline
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• 967[15:30:13] <misteradler> need gui? guvcview maybe?
• 968[15:30:59] <oxek> a gui is very helpful, yes. I'll check guvcview then, thank you
• 969[15:31:11] <misteradler> yw :)
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• 1007[16:03:30] <darsie> ⃗a
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• 1009[16:04:36] <dka_> Hi
• 1010[16:04:48] <dka_> I have a production server with updated debian, the kernel is 4.9.0
• 1011[16:05:00] <dka_> is that the latest stable kernel available (not in bp)
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• 1013[16:05:43] <jelly> dka_: what does uname -a say?
• 1014[16:05:50] <dka_> Linux master-sbg-01 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1015[16:06:09] <jelly> dka_: is this Debian 8 (jessie), oldoldstable release?
• 1016[16:06:13] <dka_> god
• 1017[16:06:15] <dka_> it's not possible
• 1018[16:06:21] <dka_> I did upgrade to buster all my server
• 1019[16:06:23] <jelly> yes possible.
• 1020[16:06:40] <jelly> what does "lsb_release -sc" say?
• 1021[16:07:08] <dka_> is this jessie also : Linux master-rbx-01 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux ?
• 1022[16:07:19] <jelly> also what does "apt-cache policy" say
• 1023[16:07:20] <dka_> and this : Linux master-bhs-01 4.19.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.146-1 (2020-09-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux ?
• 1024[16:07:29] <jelly> that last one is a buster kernel
• 1025[16:07:37] <dka_> I have only 3host, I did the upgrade one by one a week or two ago
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• 1027[16:07:48] <another> rebooted?
• 1028[16:07:48] <dka_> I asked for help here :o
• 1029[16:07:48] <jelly> ohai, it is you again!
• 1030[16:08:01] <jelly> there's so many of you.
• 1031[16:08:16] <dka_> yeah, since the server got down, my bouncer dropped
• 1032[16:08:45] <dka_> lsb_release -sc => buster
• 1033[16:09:04] <dka_> I think the kernel got downgraded , and then it think it's jessie +/
• 1034[16:09:04] <jelly> dka_: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and also "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" on all the hosts with 4.9 kernel.
• 1035[16:09:32] <jelly> dka_: it's possible the metapackage that pulls in latest kernel is not installed
• 1036[16:10:07] <jelly> if so, installing "linux-image-amd64" and rebooting would fix things on an actual buster machine
• 1037[16:11:12] <dka_> replaced-url
• 1038[16:11:46] <dka_> I remember myself upgrading to busteer, having a new kernel on all the 3 hosts, what happened ?
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• 1040[16:12:14] <dka_> even /etc/apt/source.list shows it's buster
• 1041[16:12:28] <dka_> If I install the image, then it just downgrade to jessie
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• 1043[16:13:21] <dka_> I use to have a custom kernel, I moved it using cd /etc/grub.d && mv 06_OVHkernel 96_OVHkernel and update-grub
• 1044[16:13:45] <dka_> I feel sick, how did I lost the control of the OS so it got back to jessie without me noticing anything :o
• 1045[16:14:14] <dka_> jelly, should I apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade before ?
• 1046[16:14:17] <jelly> Installed: (none)
• 1047[16:14:48] <jelly> so install linux-image-amd64, it will pull in the latest whatever 4.19 and reboot and that's it
• 1048[16:15:07] <dka_> well, one of the 3 is already having it: replaced-url
• 1049[16:15:17] <jelly> patching up is always a good idea but will not solve or affect this particular issue
• 1050[16:15:26] <jelly> judd: kernels
• 1051[16:15:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc8-686-pae (5.9~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); bullseye: 5.9.0-1-686 (5.9.1-1); buster-backports: 5.8.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.8.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-12-686-pae (4.19.152-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.19.152-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1052[16:15:28] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1053[16:15:44] <jelly> 4.19.152-1 is newer than your 4.19.146-1
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• 1055[16:16:58] <dka_> am I on buster or jessie ?
• 1056[16:17:14] <jelly> your policies show buster repos
• 1057[16:17:37] <dka_> but you told me I was on jessi :O, is it because of the old kernel ?
• 1058[16:17:40] <jelly> so you're on buster as far as apt is concerned
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• 1060[16:18:19] <jelly> the kernels versioned 4.9 something bpo something ~deb8 ... are from jessie
• 1061[16:18:40] <dka_> do I need to update-grub so it pick the right kernel after installing it ?
• 1062[16:18:54] <jelly> in general that happens automatically, so no
• 1063[16:19:21] <jelly> but some virtualization environment pick the kernel themselves
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• 1065[16:19:56] <dka_> ok, I must reboot them 1 by 1 because it's 3 master of a mesos cluster
• 1066[16:20:01] <dka_> I'll reboot and give you the uname -a of each
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• 1069[16:20:43] <dka_> How can I ensure that it will not switch to a old kernel again ?
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• 1075[16:24:58] <dka_> 1\ Linux master-rbx-01 4.19.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.152-1 (2020-10-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1080[16:29:47] <dka_> is it buster?
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• 1084[16:30:33] <jelly> dka_: yes, that's a nice buster latest kernel
• 1085[16:30:54] <dka_> cool, side effect, systemctl status docker shows the service as inactive
• 1086[16:31:08] <dka_> while it should be active, I have to manually systemctl enable docker and start it
• 1087[16:31:15] <dka_> do you know why ?
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• 1091[16:33:18] <jelly> I have no idea how packages from docker.io are supposed to behave, sorry
• 1092[16:34:17] <jelly> if it's enabled it should probably start at boot. Look at its logs with journalctl or systemctl status service-name-here when that happens again
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• 1125[17:01:39] <iamjfk11> \-.-/
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• 1138[17:11:21] <dka_> one of the OS did not reboot with the proper kernel
• 1139[17:11:26] <dka_> Linux master-sbg-01 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1140[17:12:25] <dka_> replaced-url
• 1141[17:12:32] <dka_> apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade does not help
• 1142[17:12:46] <JPT> Did you ensure that your ovh server is not set to netboot/pxe boot?
• 1143[17:13:30] <JPT> Otherwise, you may need to tell grub which of the two linux images it should boot by default
• 1144[17:13:50] <JPT> replaced-url
• 1145[17:14:03] <dka_> well, I do not have the latest linux-image-amd64 like others
• 1146[17:14:23] <dka_> Oh, I can install it
• 1147[17:14:26] <dka_> weird
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• 1149[17:14:57] <dka_> I probably rebooted without installing it, that's just it ^^
• 1150[17:15:13] <JPT> That may also be an explanation. :D
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• 1157[17:19:01] <discovered> I can't install steam on debian because of not able to install the dependency replaced-url
• 1158[17:19:25] <dka_> steam on debian :O ?
• 1159[17:19:51] <Brigo> discovered, buster?
• 1160[17:19:58] <Brigo> dka_, yes, why not?
• 1161[17:19:58] <discovered> replaced-url
• 1162[17:20:06] <Brigo> ,v steam
• 1163[17:20:07] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
• 1164[17:20:16] <discovered> Brigo, Bullsey
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• 1166[17:20:45] <Brigo> discovered, then i don't know anyway this is not the right channel for testing.
• 1167[17:20:47] <Brigo> !testing
• 1168[17:20:47] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
• 1169[17:21:10] <Brigo> ,v steam:i386
• 1170[17:21:11] <judd> No package named 'steam:i386' was found in amd64.
• 1171[17:21:20] <Brigo> ,v steam --arch i386
• 1172[17:21:21] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.59-4; bullseye/non-free: 1.0.0.66-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.66-2
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• 1175[17:23:47] <zykotick9> discovered: wrong network. Not on Freenode, it's on OFTC. See "/msg dpkg oftc" for details.
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• 1226[18:03:00] <invis> Which package contain the command mkfs.vfat?
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• 1238[18:07:44] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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• 1254[18:24:36] <invis> thank you guys
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• 1355[20:18:56] <pagios> hello, is there any way of stress testing my machine to a certain percentage in cpu? say 10%, 25% etc ? the stress command is saturating it to 100% i would like to go gradual
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• 1360[20:22:08] <EdePopede> pagios: videos do this for me. 4k is definitely out of bounds here, so i should be able to get the full range
• 1361[20:22:39] <pagios> needs to be controllable
• 1362[20:24:44] <jmcnaught> pagios: maybe stress-ng?
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• 1397[21:14:07] <isapgswell> why not anoter file/directory permission like: prwx
• 1398[21:14:13] <isapgswell> -pwrx
• 1399[21:14:19] <isapgswell> dpwrx
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• 1401[21:14:51] <isapgswell> p -> power(visible)
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• 1403[21:15:04] <isapgswell> visibility
• 1404[21:15:30] <isapgswell> this would avoid virus and disseminating
• 1405[21:15:35] <greycat> if the first character is 'p' it's a named pipe
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• 1407[21:16:00] <greycat> unicorn:~$ mkfifo x; ls -l x
• 1408[21:16:00] <greycat> prw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 0 Nov 6 15:15 x|
• 1409[21:17:02] <isapgswell> greycat would be so m -> morphed
• 1410[21:17:16] <jelly> isapgswell: mostly because changing established APIs is very, very hard to do
• 1411[21:17:21] <isapgswell> or m -> manuseability
• 1412[21:17:31] <greycat> what in the hell are you talking about
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• 1414[21:17:41] <jelly> isapgswell: what is your native language?
• 1415[21:18:05] <isapgswell> greycat if mark m like -mrwx
• 1416[21:18:43] <isapgswell> greycat m -> maneuverability
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• 1418[21:19:06] <isapgswell> sorry my english is not so good
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• 1420[21:19:23] <astronavt> is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set somewhere in the debian startup files? somehow in my session it has been set to the non-existent directory ~/.local/bin/lib, and i am trying to figure out where/how that could have happened
• 1421[21:19:37] <jelly> astronavt: absolutely not
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• 1423[21:19:51] <greycat> sounds like a python virtual env thing
• 1424[21:20:06] <isapgswell> jelly yes, but for debian testing maybe is safer to do
• 1425[21:20:33] <jelly> isapgswell: I'm having a hard time figuring out what is the problem you're trying to solve
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• 1427[21:21:16] <isapgswell> jelly i would like to see mysql/postgresql indexing with ext2/ext3/ext4
• 1428[21:21:51] <greycat> ... OK, you're just high on something. Whatever it is, you should cut down on it.
• 1429[21:22:27] <jelly> not all English-as-second-language are high or drunk!
• 1430[21:22:34] <jelly> we just look that way.
• 1431[21:22:39] <greycat> I never said all, just this one.
• 1432[21:22:47] <isapgswell> jelly wow
• 1433[21:22:53] <isapgswell> jelly lol
• 1434[21:23:03] <isapgswell> calm down baby
• 1435[21:23:18] <jelly> isapgswell: what is the actual issue you're having?
• 1436[21:23:22] <jelly> !ask
• 1437[21:23:22] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on replaced-url
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• 1439[21:24:04] <isapgswell> jelly i have a puri.sm installed with ubuntu 20.04 and kvm
• 1440[21:24:11] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1441[21:24:35] <isapgswell> jelly i would libe to put my qcow2 image files in a secondary ssd
• 1442[21:24:54] <isapgswell> jelly and kvm says no permission
• 1443[21:25:08] <isapgswell> jelly may is missing fstab
• 1444[21:25:12] <isapgswell> conf
• 1445[21:25:25] <isapgswell> my user is libvirt group
• 1446[21:25:30] <isapgswell> inside
• 1447[21:25:43] <isapgswell> jelly any idea?
• 1448[21:25:57] <jelly> isapgswell: we can't help with ubuntu installations, they do things in different ways
• 1449[21:26:44] <isapgswell> jelly: i installed ubuntu because, my debian doesnt recognize click, right click touchpad
• 1450[21:27:07] <greycat> I don't think *anyone* can help with "I have a mysql database AND a pgsql database and I want to mount them both as file systems and use ls -l on my tables to see things!!"
• 1451[21:27:30] <isapgswell> graycat i said INDEXING
• 1452[21:27:45] <isapgswell> graycat sorry indenxing
• 1453[21:27:57] <isapgswell> graycat too much fast
• 1454[21:28:05] <jelly> isapgswell: regardless of the reason, we still don't know what Ubuntu does. Those of us who know, are already in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server channels anyway.
• 1455[21:28:23] <isapgswell> jelly ok jelly
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• 1457[21:28:51] <isapgswell> jelly could u help me to identify why my touchpad stop working after debian installation?
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• 1460[21:29:25] <isapgswell> jelly click + right click
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• 1465[21:35:30] <jelly> isapgswell: did it ever work on debian?
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• 1467[21:37:19] <isapgswell> jelly at installation and after no
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• 1469[21:37:36] <isapgswell> jelly with touchpad
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• 1471[21:41:38] <jelly> that is weird, maybe the installer uses a different, more generic driver for that input device. I won't be much help with input device issues in X / Wayland or really anywhere
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• 1473[21:43:00] <isapgswell> jelly ok thank you
• 1474[21:43:05] <jelly> even if I tell you to try using X instead of Wayland, or the other way round, just for testing, I can't help with exact details
• 1475[21:43:20] <isapgswell> jelly yes
• 1476[21:43:38] <isapgswell> jelly maybe it is wayland sup
• 1477[21:43:47] <isapgswell> jelly i will try X
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• 1488[21:56:43] <zaratustra> DEBIAN RULES
• 1489[21:57:17] <jelly> zaratustra: I see you found the hidden message
• 1490[21:59:11] <zaratustra> haha
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• 1532[22:50:18] <ws2k3> im not exacly sure how i pulled this off. but i kinda screwed up my raid config i guess replaced-url
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• 1539[22:51:49] <ws2k3> md126 actualy contains my partitions and data but it looks like its a raid in a raid
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• 1545[22:58:48] <Katana_Steel> RAID 1 + 0 ?
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• 1550[23:03:34] <ws2k3> Katana_Steel: pretty weird i stopped md126 and md127 and created md127 again. and now the partitions from md126 are visable under md127
• 1551[23:05:09] <Katana_Steel> yeah md127 looks to be the actual RAID1, and part 1 of that looks to be another half of another raid1... that seems strange indeed
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• 1556[23:11:07] <ws2k3> Katana_Steel: now i rebooted and the md126 is back again realy strange
• 1557[23:11:30] <Katana_Steel> mdadm -D /dev/md127p1 ?
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• 1572[23:27:33] <ws2k3> Katana_Steel: this is how it looks now replaced-url
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• 1576[23:28:38] <ws2k3> /dev/md126 contains my partitions. i had to run ,dad, --run /dev/md126 to activate it so be able to see my partitions
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• 1579[23:32:36] <frostschutz> ws2k3, mdadm --examine /dev/sd[bc]* ?
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• 1581[23:33:54] <ws2k3> frostschutz: i now did the following. mdadm --stop /dev/md126 mdadm --stop /dev/md127 partprobe mdadm --create /dev/md127 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc mdadm --run /dev/md127 and then it was looking good again but im not sure what happens if i reboot now
• 1582[23:34:14] <frostschutz> sdc or sdc1?
• 1583[23:34:29] <ws2k3> sdc1 as i desire
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• 1585[23:34:51] <ws2k3> but ur examine does show some old arrays i think
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• 1588[23:35:30] <ws2k3> frostschutz: replaced-url
• 1589[23:35:30] <frostschutz> if the partitions are there (sd[bc][123]) then you might want to --stop it all, then --zero-superblock /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc (but not sd[bc][123]) but that's just a guess
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• 1591[23:36:25] <frostschutz> is it just one partition on each drive, not using all available space?
• 1592[23:36:59] <frostschutz> old array metadata is dangerous, if it syncs invalid data in the wrong direction
• 1593[23:37:01] <ws2k3> frostschutz: yes one partition on eatch drive. not use all available space indeed
• 1594[23:37:14] <ws2k3> yes ur right just not sure if i can do the superblock
• 1595[23:37:22] <frostschutz> but creation time is today for all of them?
• 1596[23:37:39] <ws2k3> frostschutz: yes true i have been fiddeling alot today
• 1597[23:37:46] <frostschutz> the zero-superblock on sdb would only remove the 1.0 metadata one
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• 1599[23:37:57] <ws2k3> frostschutz: im just gonna try it i wont die if i lose all the data
• 1600[23:38:06] <frostschutz> but the array needs to be stopped for that, as a running array might just write the metadata back
• 1601[23:38:26] <frostschutz> if you lose it (due to md metadata) with raid1, testdisk should still find it ...
• 1602[23:38:42] <frostschutz> the offsets are in your examine output anyway
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• 1609[23:46:20] <ws2k3> frostschutz: i think this is better? replaced-url
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• 1614[23:51:51] <frostschutz> much better
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• 1620[23:55:54] <Katana_Steel> sfdisk --dump /dev/sdb >part_backup;dd count=2 bs=512 if=/dev/zero /dev/sdb; cat part_backup | sfdisk /dev/sdb
• 1621[23:56:34] <Katana_Steel> and repeat for sdc that should preseve the partition layout and zero out the metadata too
• 1622[23:56:42] <frostschutz> both 1.0 metadata and gpt have stuff at end of disk though, so the dd is not
• 1623[23:57:47] <Katana_Steel> true, though they looked like mbr disks
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