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0 [00:00:01] <jmcnaught> aptitude search ~Gmade-of::info
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4 [00:02:38] <pillule> nice. note that will not trigger `emacs-common-non-dfsg'
5 [00:02:51] <karlpinc> pillule: All that sax stuff and xml stuff is for rebuilding docbook relation documentation.
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7 [00:03:26] <karlpinc> pillule: You could also look at debtags (aptitude search '~Gfoo') and see what's tagged as docs.
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10 [00:03:57] * karlpinc is not so sure that it's a great idea to try to install every existing documentation package. On the other hand, the exercize is interesting.
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14 [00:05:48] <karlpinc> s/relation/related/
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25 [00:15:46] <pillule> so .. now I am looking for the aptitude reference guide, but .. is this thing in my computer or must I download it also ?
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27 [00:17:28] <jmcnaught> ,provides aptitude-doc
28 [00:17:29] <judd> No package named 'aptitude-doc' was found in buster/amd64.
29 [00:18:01] <jmcnaught> pillule: hmmm… well there are aptitude-doc-en etc packages for various languages.
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33 [00:23:55] <karlpinc> pillule: The aptitude docs suck. They are in html in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/...
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36 [00:24:35] <karlpinc> Er, aptitude-doc-en/...
37 [00:24:52] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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45 [00:30:43] <quidnunc> Why do I have garbled special characters in my terminal?
46 [00:30:52] <quidnunc> (question marks)
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49 [00:31:36] <alex11> not sure but you can probably type clear to get it looking saner
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51 [00:32:02] <quidnunc> Ah, never mind. Encoding was set to ANSI by default
52 [00:32:02] <ectospasm> or reset
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57 [00:36:08] <jhutchins> alex11: Or reset.
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59 [00:40:09] <jhutchins> ectospasm: +
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61 [00:41:08] <pillule> “Master, does Emacs possess the Buddha nature?” the novice asked. “I don't see why not,” replied the master. “It's got bloody well everything else.” Several years later, the novice suddenly achieved enlightenment. -- John Fouhy
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64 [00:42:01] <pillule> well, it the same online or not :)
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85 [00:59:50] <pufferfish> pufferfish++
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87 [01:00:09] <pufferfish> !setting
88 [01:00:11] <pufferfish> .setting
89 [01:00:14] <pufferfish> hmm... infobot
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92 [01:01:53] <jmcnaught> !msg the bot
93 [01:01:53] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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174 [02:09:07] <swift110> I am using zoom and while I can hear others just fine they can't hear me
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176 [02:09:37] <ectospasm> swift110: is your mic muted?
177 [02:09:42] <swift110> no
178 [02:09:55] <ectospasm> swift110: are you using pulseaudio?
179 [02:10:04] <swift110> not sure
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181 [02:10:12] <ectospasm> That's important to know.
182 [02:10:20] <ectospasm> ps -eaf | grep pulseaudio
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185 [02:11:32] <swift110> daemonize no
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190 [02:14:08] <ectospasm> swift110: how do you know your mic isn't muted?
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192 [02:14:32] <ectospasm> Can you test sound in Zoom? Zoom has a feature that lets you test your setup. I'd start there.
193 [02:14:38] <ectospasm> Make sure it has the right device selected.
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199 [02:20:29] <swift110> system hardware sound is what I was looking in for settings
200 [02:20:35] <swift110> im using mate
201 [02:21:52] <ectospasm> swift110: unless your sound card has a hardware mixer, something else may be taking over your mic so Zoom can't use it.
202 [02:22:00] <ectospasm> Again, Zoom has a feature where you can test that.
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208 [02:29:27] <swift110> ectospasm, im in there right now
209 [02:30:03] <ectospasm> There should be a button for testing the mic, it will record for a second or two, then play it back to you.
210 [02:31:54] <swift110> im in settings and dont see any button for testing the mic only the speaker
211 [02:32:24] <ectospasm> swift110: what version of Zoom do you have?
212 [02:32:51] <ectospasm> swift110: you may need to select the right device for the button to appear or be active.
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215 [02:35:05] <swift110> i see the record button now
216 [02:35:25] <ectospasm> swift110: so does it work now?
217 [02:36:28] <swift110> ill know in a moment
218 [02:36:52] <swift110> i believe so actually ill test it
219 [02:36:52] <ectospasm> "Testing, testing, one, two, threeeeeee..."
220 [02:38:58] <dvs> "All your base now belong to us"
221 [02:39:07] <swift110> yeah I created an account and tested it with my phone
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225 [02:40:50] <ectospasm> swift110: uhh, the test feature in Zoom should tell you if it's working, just click test mic or whatever the button is called. If it repeats your voice (or whatever sound you make into it) you should know instantly.
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302 [04:14:03] <relipse> can someone help me, I cannot ssh into my linode debian box, it says Resource temporarily unavailable i rebooted it not too long ago
303 [04:14:14] <relipse> because it wasn't responding
304 [04:14:23] <rk4> use the linode console
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306 [04:14:55] <Wafficus> !ssb
307 [04:14:56] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
308 [04:15:39] <Wafficus> !ssb emacs
309 [04:15:50] <rk4> message the damned bot in private you lazy git
310 [04:16:00] <Wafficus> I've never done this
311 [04:16:06] <Wafficus> geez my dude, easy up
312 [04:16:10] <Wafficus> this channel's usually dead anyway
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314 [04:16:45] <relipse> rk4 i did passwordless login and i can't login using the console
315 [04:17:24] <ectospasm> relipse: you can try passing `-vvv` to your local ssh command to see where it's failing. It might give you clues.
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319 [04:19:06] <Wafficus> !ssb
320 [04:19:06] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
321 [04:19:18] <Wafficus> how do I PM the bot guys?
322 [04:19:20] <jmcnaught> !msg the bot
323 [04:19:20] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
324 [04:19:34] <relipse> ectospasm: it keeps saying resource temporarily unavailable
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329 [04:21:32] <ectospasm> relipse: are you getting that from the server? Paste the output.
330 [04:21:33] <ectospasm> !paste
331 [04:21:34] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
332 [04:22:00] <relipse> debug1: Connecting to cworklog.com [198.54.117.198] port 22.
333 [04:22:00] <relipse> debug1: connect to address 198.54.117.198 port 22: Resource temporarily unavailable
334 [04:22:35] <ectospasm> that's not coming from your server. Have you reached a ulimit on the number of sockets you can have open?
335 [04:23:01] <sponix> people still use 22 ?
336 [04:23:35] <relipse> i dout it i just opened it
337 [04:23:39] <relipse> doubt it ~
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339 [04:24:22] <relipse> any help or other ideas?
340 [04:24:39] <relipse> what do I do if i cannot log in because I don't know my username and password
341 [04:24:51] <relipse> i'm in the linode console nad it won't let me in
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343 [04:25:40] <relipse> out of curiosity can you guys get to cworklog.com ?
344 [04:25:48] <relipse> or does it time out for you
345 [04:26:01] <themill> My DNS gives a different IP address than that
346 [04:27:01] <relipse> oh wait
347 [04:27:12] <relipse> using my phone i can access it
348 [04:27:20] <relipse> but not on my internet isp?
349 [04:27:29] <sponix> relipse: I get contractors work log webpage loading
350 [04:27:36] <relipse> yeah that's right sponix thanks
351 [04:27:46] <relipse> did my internet isp block me somehow?
352 [04:27:57] <sponix> relipse: this "routing" issue -- could be your ssh issue also
353 [04:28:07] <relipse> so what do I do
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356 [04:31:13] <sponix> themill: mine too, so it might just be a simple DNS issue
357 [04:31:29] <sponix> relipse: try to "ping 198.58.105.195"
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359 [04:32:03] <sponix> relipse: if that works do: ssh user@198.58.105.195 and see if that gets you in
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400 [05:35:49] <rk4> replaced-url
401 [05:36:16] <rk4> oh, wrong room!
402 [05:36:35] <rk4> you may still find it interesting if you use NAT
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406 [05:42:11] <sponix> relipse: you still alive ?
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449 [06:54:04] <korzq> Is there any docs on installing debian from live image via the cli (not the installer(curses+gui))?
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454 [07:00:52] <jmcnaught> !debootstrap
455 [07:00:52] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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461 [07:01:49] <jmcnaught> korzq: also appendix d.3 of the install manual: replaced-url
462 [07:04:15] <korzq> Thats just what Im looking for, thanks!
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474 [07:30:09] <cluelessperson> Hi there, I'm seeking to mirror debian's repositories
475 [07:30:14] <cluelessperson> is there a specific tool to do this?
476 [07:30:25] <cluelessperson> the documentation is unclear.
477 [07:30:38] <cluelessperson> although it does mention rsync, ftp, and some other tools
478 [07:30:53] <cluelessperson> it doesn't describe any particular suggest setup.
479 [07:31:09] <themill> replaced-url
480 [07:31:17] <cluelessperson> yes, I read that several times
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482 [07:31:55] <themill> that's pretty clear about how to do it
483 [07:32:18] <themill> "The recommended method of mirroring is with the ftpsync scriptset"
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493 [07:38:42] <pufferfish> just testing
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514 [07:49:28] <cluelessperson> themill, alright, so I'm looking at the docker debian/archvsync setup, and I have no idea where it places things.
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527 [07:58:56] <fredl> good morning
528 [07:59:24] <cluelessperson> sup
529 [08:00:21] <fredl> I'm having this obnoxious thing here, it's kinda GNOME, not exactly Debian but anyway... every time I start up a new gnome-terminal it opens up maxmized, taking up my whole screen. How do I change that behavior?!?!
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532 [08:01:04] <fredl> its like the state got save somewhere, somehow
533 [08:01:13] <pufferfish> woah, so many new users are joining
534 [08:01:25] <pufferfish> my injector is working!
535 [08:01:28] <pufferfish> * cioran89__ (~cioran89__@replaced-ip ) has joined
536 [08:01:39] <pufferfish> blitzed: hello?
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540 [08:05:11] <orak127> fredl: did you looked in Terminal Settings > Default profile > Text (tab) ?
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546 [08:16:03] <fredl> orak127, I did. It shows 80 / 24
547 [08:17:13] <orak127> then i don't know...
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550 [08:18:57] <fredl> Hmm you did give me an idea though
551 [08:19:07] <fredl> I added a new profile and made it default
552 [08:19:46] <fredl> the only thing that appears different is the custom font and background/text colors
553 [08:20:03] <fredl> but it no longer starts maximized. Weird
554 [08:20:50] <fredl> haha and when I change the font again in that profile it starts maxmized
555 [08:22:13] <orak127> that's probably something with how the size of a column is calculated with the fonts
556 [08:22:41] <orak127> what is your font ? may be i can test it and see how it behave
557 [08:22:59] <fredl> monospace bold/24
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559 [08:23:15] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> why did this command just delete all my art?
560 [08:23:15] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> find digital_art -type f -exec chmod ugo-w '{}' \;
561 [08:23:19] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> can i get it back?
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563 [08:24:06] <orak127> fredl: increasing the font size increase my terminal size too
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565 [08:24:48] <orak127> so it's just that the size of columns/lines are bigger too
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567 [08:25:04] <orak127> then the size of the terminal adjust itself
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569 [08:25:28] <fredl> well I'm sure there's part of that, but it maximizes over the whole screen
570 [08:25:43] <orak127> CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: it shouldn't
571 [08:25:55] <pufferfish> orak127: what shouldn't?
572 [08:26:11] <orak127> remove file
573 [08:26:20] <orak127> chmod should not remove files
574 [08:26:43] <pufferfish> oh, for a second, I thought you were part of my IRC interceptor
575 [08:26:54] <pufferfish> since it's injecting old IRC logs into #debian for my client-side
576 [08:27:13] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> just before I was trying to autocomplete the foldername in bash instead of autocompleting it printed this:
577 [08:27:16] <pufferfish> It's basically doing a MiTM to the IRC server
578 [08:27:25] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> $ find digbash: COMP_POINT: substring expression < 0
579 [08:27:30] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> I think it's a bug in bash
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581 [08:28:11] <orak127> yeah that's weird
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583 [08:28:36] <orak127> if you do `find digital_art -type f` does it show your files ?
584 [08:28:44] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> yes
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586 [08:29:23] <orak127> then they are not deleted
587 [08:29:49] <orak127> what made you think that they were deleted?
588 [08:30:11] <orak127> they do not appear in the file explorer? in your editing software?
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592 [08:31:23] <orak127> the exec part of your find command `chmod ugo-w` removed write permissions for everybody
593 [08:31:38] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> i'm sorry I had a file manager opened to the old location of the folder
594 [08:31:54] <pufferfish> oh, dear, I'm seeing fake users
595 [08:31:59] <pufferfish> pirre is a fake user
596 [08:32:08] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> the command executed successfully, but i do have a bug in auto-completion somewhere
597 [08:32:22] <orak127> you can may be try to restore more sane permissions with this `find digital_art -type f -exec chmod 640 '{}' \;`
598 [08:32:37] <orak127> ok that's cool then
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600 [08:33:03] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> orak127, more sane permissions? I don't want these files changing, I want them write-protected
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602 [08:33:24] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> that's why I got so paranoid when bash bugged out and my file manager said everything was gone
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604 [08:33:49] <fredl> heh figured it out orak127. Guess what, if you press F11 it seems to remember that state
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606 [08:34:16] <fredl> oh damn, nope...
607 [08:34:22] <fredl> F11 is different
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609 [08:34:24] <orak127> CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: ok then you did the right thing, it's just uncommon to remove itself from write permission
610 [08:35:00] <CAPTCHA_REQUIRED> thank you
611 [08:39:03] <david0374> So anyone know when the next point release of buster will be?
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613 [08:39:22] <david0374> I haven't recieved an email from debian release for a long time
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615 [08:41:30] <orak127> i don't know if there is a planning for point release
616 [08:41:52] <orak127> 10.6 was released not long ago, september 26th
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620 [08:43:11] <cybergen3k> hello?
621 [08:43:18] <david0374> hi
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623 [08:44:54] <david0374> This might be offtopis: Is IRC encrypted or does it just send plain text over the internet?
624 [08:45:02] <david0374> *offtopic
625 [08:45:27] <pufferfish> david0374: plain text if you don't use SSL
626 [08:45:42] <pufferfish> Also, I'm doing a MiTM attack for myself to change stuff on my client side :P
627 [08:45:55] <cybergen3k> I've been having problems with alsamixer and pavucontrols. Using Debian 10 buster (ofc), trying to capture HDMI sound from one of my monitors however it instead picks up the audio output of my DP connected main monitor which has shit speakers. and the interface in pavu says HDMI for some reason even though its sound coming from the DP connected monitor... I'm confused.
628 [08:46:02] <david0374> so this server is not encrypted
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630 [08:46:15] <pufferfish> david0374: well, if you haven't enabled SSL in your IRC client's settings
631 [08:46:25] <pufferfish> if you're using hexchat/xchat/webchat, you're fine
632 [08:46:30] <pufferfish> *fine by default
633 [08:46:45] <david0374> ok so I just enables SSL in the settings
634 [08:46:53] <pufferfish> Yep, the server settings in your client
635 [08:47:10] <david0374> I am using Pidgin client
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639 [08:48:21] <cybergen3k> anyone know what could be happening?
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647 [08:52:39] <david0374> I just reconnected with SSL enabled
648 [08:52:53] <pufferfish> what the hell. Over 100+ user joins
649 [08:52:56] <pufferfish> what the hell. Over 100+ user joins
650 [08:53:02] <pufferfish> STOP JOINING NOW AAAAA
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652 [08:53:51] <david0374> are we being flooded by bots?
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655 [08:54:26] <orak127> pufferfish, nobody joingin so currently you are just spamming us with your comments with which we are not concerned
656 [08:55:03] <david0374> go to #debian-offtopic
657 [08:55:05] <pufferfish> orak127: oh, I enabled the IRC log injection in my IRC MiTM server's options
658 [08:55:06] <pufferfish> oops
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862 [12:59:03] <pokui> hi all, any way I can install a particular package (iperf3) from bullseye into buster?
863 [12:59:57] <abrotman> you can try to backport it
864 [13:00:46] <abrotman> dpkg: tell pokui about ssb
865 [13:00:58] <pokui> abrotman: is there a wiki/etc I can read
866 [13:01:05] <abrotman> see what the bot sent you
867 [13:01:05] <pokui> oh. thanks.
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870 [13:01:48] <pokui> abrotman: thanks. this helps lots.
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875 [13:06:46] <ratrace> !welcome
876 [13:06:47] <dpkg> Welcome to #debian, the larger but unofficial support channel for Debian GNU/Linux stable releases. Official channels have moved to OFTC (irc.oftc.net) see replaced-url
877 [13:06:57] <ratrace> oh bot!
878 [13:07:22] <ratrace> it's !wb, doh!
879 [13:07:56] <abrotman> pokui: bot has a daily restart
880 [13:08:18] <pokui> ah
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887 [13:25:44] <Trieste> Hi, I just tried to install snap, but I got this error when doing `snap install core`: "- Setup snap "core" (10185) security profiles (cannot setup udev for snap "core": cannot run udev triggers: exit status 1" // "udev output: Failed to scan devices: Permission denied"
888 [13:25:58] <Trieste> I am running this as root, so I suppose this must be an AppArmor issue, but I am not sure how to troubleshoot that
889 [13:28:21] <ratrace> Trieste: you could try install the snap without AA confinement
890 [13:28:42] <ratrace> --dangerous is the flag I thinks
891 [13:29:27] <Trieste> error: dangerous option only meaningful when installing from a local file
892 [13:30:01] <ratrace> eh... --classic then?
893 [13:30:14] <ratrace> yes, --classic
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895 [13:30:57] <Trieste> well, that seems to have worked, I'm now just slightly uncomfortable about having bypassed apparmor I guess
896 [13:31:06] <ratrace> you should be
897 [13:31:23] <Trieste> :/
898 [13:31:26] <ratrace> those things install WHOLE mini operating systems sans the kernel. with gods know what kind of unaudited software, unpatched, vulnerable, from gods know whom.
899 [13:31:50] <Trieste> honestly I'm kind of baffled EFF decided to install certbot, a puny python script with goddamn snap, but who am I to judge
900 [13:31:51] <ratrace> the whole point of isolated, containered app delivery IS to have the proper confinement on them. without AA or SELinux for flatpaks, namespaces alone are not strong enough.
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902 [13:32:22] <ratrace> USER_NS in them is the most vulnerable vector of all. Debian even blocks some aspects of it
903 [13:32:51] <ratrace> Trieste: certbot is installable as a regular package, if that's what you want?
904 [13:33:09] <ratrace> smells like you're not running Debian? :)
905 [13:33:22] <Trieste> just following replaced-url
906 [13:33:37] <ratrace> apt install certbot
907 [13:33:51] <ratrace> ALSo.. .consider alternative LE clients. certbot is a kitchen sink suite of assumptions and bad design
908 [13:34:00] * Trieste crumples and throws snapd far away
909 [13:34:30] <ratrace> I personally use and prefer Dehydrated. It's a single shell script, with possibility to integrate with whatever you want in whatever way, via hook.sh. Ain't plug'n'play automatic tho, but doing the effort puts you 100% in control.
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912 [13:36:07] <Trieste> honestly right now I just want to get this working but thanks, I'll definitely check it out, I didn't even know there were alternative clients
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915 [13:37:16] <ratrace> there's also acme-tiny, and some other clients, but I don't have any experience with them.
916 [13:37:56] <shtrb> what goal does the ipv6 address with "scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute" over the one with "scope global temporary dynamic " has ?
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922 [13:39:06] <ov3rmind> hey cool friends anyone like me had troubles with amd ryzen 3 3200g video drivers, thanks!
923 [13:39:26] <ratrace> ov3rmind: I had trouble with zen2 in general until I bumped the kernel to backported 5.7
924 [13:39:29] <ratrace> eh 5.8
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927 [13:41:13] <ov3rmind> i already have installed an old version of radeon video drivers it's working but not build dkms-module and return an error
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931 [13:50:15] <pokui> abrotman: thanks. the backport worked. had to jump past debhelper on buster not being =13 but it built and installed fine.
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938 [13:55:55] <abrotman> pokui: good to hear
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965 [14:31:40] <david0374> I am experiencing some problems with Debian
966 [14:32:00] <david0374> So when I get to a long uptime, everything on my system just slows down
967 [14:32:14] <david0374> Also the internet becomes slower
968 [14:32:44] <david0374> When I do a reboot, the internet returns to normal speed
969 [14:33:05] <david0374> also the rest of the system and programs become less responsive
970 [14:34:54] <david0374> Is there a solution to this or do I have to just live with it?
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1040 [15:48:50] <Trieste> David--: strange, sounds like memory usage issues
1041 [15:49:00] <Trieste> ay, sorry David--, wrong David
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1063 [16:20:17] <g0zzy> Just wondering if anyone present here's done clonezilla without using a bootable disk. Thinking of cloning a disk but ocs-sr at the command line seems always to want to "save" the disk, not clone it. Trying to avoid using dd if possible
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1075 [16:31:09] <dvs> g0zzy: I don't see how clonezilla can be successful without booting off of a boot disk of some sort.
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1077 [16:34:05] <ratrace> g0zzy: are you talking about cloning a live (active, mounted) system? or from a rescue, live (like live ISO) environment?
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1088 [16:45:41] <lovelytingy> hi guys, i have a concern about my laptop fingerprint sensor is that is there a way that i can make driver for goodix fingerprint sensor since company not providing it for linux.
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1116 [17:10:24] <alex11> is stuff like replaced-url
1117 [17:10:37] <alex11> though i notice xchat is still in the repo
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1121 [17:22:37] <Brigo> ,v xchat
1122 [17:22:38] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-15~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-17
1123 [17:25:02] <g0zzy> ratrace: It's a literal clone of an unmounted disk
1124 [17:25:32] * g0zzy currently has dd doing it
1125 [17:26:01] <g0zzy> Both disks in caddies
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1127 [17:31:52] <ratrace> g0zzy: dd should be fine, just be careful about UUID collisions. you can use gparted to set new UUIDs. don't forget to update fstab if that's supposed to be bootable
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1137 [17:37:02] <g0zzy> Actually it contains Windows 10 :(
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1166 [18:00:04] * g0zzy discovers youtube guy cloning Windows disk with dd. Doesn't mention any uuid problems, so, fingers crossed!
1167 [18:01:29] <Longplay_Games> I've had good luck cloning windows partitions with dd, good luck
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1172 [18:04:40] <g0zzy> Ah, thanks. Thanks to all too
1173 [18:05:43] <g0zzy> Although, Longplay_Games, this is not just partitions, it's the entire device
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1176 [18:10:07] <ratrace> g0zzy: there may be uuid problems if both disks are visible to the kernel at the same time, so either make sure they're not used at the same time, or you randomize the uuids. both gpt and filesystems'
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1195 [18:21:28] <g0zzy> ratrace: it's just spinning rust to ssd. Former to be kept as frozen backup. One disk only in use
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1201 [18:25:52] <g0zzy> Thanks again folks
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1331 [20:31:27] <roelj> I'm looking for the Guile GNUTls module in Debian Buster. Which package provides it?
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1336 [20:40:56] <jmcnaught> roelj: it looks like guile-gnutls did not make it into buster: replaced-url
1337 [20:40:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1338 [20:41:08] <abrotman> roelj: apt search guile tls
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1340 [20:41:35] <roelj> Ehh, then how can I get HTTPS things to work on Guile? :/
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1342 [20:42:27] <pfred1> roelj install it from source?
1343 [20:42:31] <abrotman> roelj: build it yourself perhaps?
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1345 [20:43:09] <pfred1> that's what i do when things are not in the repo but then I usually don't install them globally
1346 [20:43:47] <roelj> Hm, well I am trying to package my software, and it needs the GnuTLS bindings for Guile. So building from source is not an option.
1347 [20:43:54] <roelj> Is buster the latest Debian release?
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1350 [20:45:12] <karlpinc> roelj: Yes. Buster is the "stable" release, which is what debian releases.
1351 [20:45:13] <karlpinc> !stable
1352 [20:45:13] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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1355 [20:46:28] <karlpinc> ,versions guile-gnutls
1356 [20:46:29] <judd> Package: guile-gnutls on amd64 -- jessie: 3.3.8-6+deb8u7; jessie-security: 3.3.30-0+deb8u1; bullseye: 3.6.15-4; sid: 3.6.15-4; experimental: 3.6.15-5
1357 [20:46:49] <karlpinc> ,checkbackport guile-gnutls
1358 [20:46:50] <judd> Backporting package guile-gnutls in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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1361 [20:48:14] <roelj> Thanks for all the info!
1362 [20:48:37] <abrotman> are you trying to package it to be included in Debian? or a package on your site?
1363 [20:48:48] <roelj> So IIUC, guile-gnutls is going to be part of the next Debian release, and won't be available in Buster?
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1365 [20:49:42] <roelj> Well, one step at a time: I'm packaging it for a local repository, and then I'd like to explore whether it'd be possible to add it to Debian.
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1368 [20:50:21] <abrotman> I'm asking because if the intent is Debian, you'd be targeting sid and bullseye, which do have guile-gnutls packaged
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1373 [20:52:35] <roelj> When would the next release be released?
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1375 [20:53:39] <ratrace> when it's ready, sometime mid next year maybe
1376 [20:54:55] <karlpinc> !guess the release date
1377 [20:54:55] <dpkg> Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at replaced-url
1378 [20:55:33] <karlpinc> But the green line won't really go down until there's a freeze for bullseye.
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1385 [20:57:03] <ratrace> make the green line great again!
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1425 [21:43:54] <roelj> Is there a specific channel to ask questions about building DEB packages?
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1429 [21:45:12] <nkuttler> roelj: for inclusion in debian?
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1436 [21:50:31] <roelj> Yeah, or just creating packages for Debian in general..
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1438 [21:51:22] <abrotman> dpkg: tell roelj about mentors
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1442 [21:53:07] <roelj> Well, thanks, but I really have a specific issue that I found in two packages I've been trying to build.
1443 [21:53:36] <roelj> And my package would not be able to be included any time soon anyway, because guile-gnutls is not in the distribution.
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1445 [21:54:40] <jmcnaught> roelj: there is also a #packaging channel on OFTC for help with packaging not intended for the Debian archives.
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1448 [21:55:06] <jmcnaught> roelj: guile-gnutls is in bullseye though, which is where any new packages in the distro would go.
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1450 [21:57:22] <Deknos> does anyone have a recommendation for a graphical tool which merges/finds duplicates of files and directories? can be even commercial as long as it runs on windows and has no ads and does not phone home. i have several external disks with data on it...
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1457 [21:59:17] <abrotman> Deknos: must be graphical?
1458 [21:59:43] <abrotman> judd: info fdupes
1459 [21:59:45] <judd> Package fdupes (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1:1.6.1-2; Size: 20.7k; Installed: 59k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1462 [22:00:45] <Deknos> arg
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1464 [22:00:49] <Deknos> not windows
1465 [22:00:51] <Deknos> LINUX!
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1468 [22:01:14] <Deknos> fdupes is not graphical. fdupes does not make directory comparisons
1469 [22:01:24] <Deknos> like i want to know if directories are ALMOST the same
1470 [22:01:28] <Deknos> stuff like that
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1475 [22:03:25] <karlpinc> How would you make a directory comparision?
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1481 [22:11:08] <H-var> does xserver have anything to do with video games in steam?
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1483 [22:12:44] <H-var> does anyone have alien: isolation on steam, and tried running it on debian?
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1487 [22:15:02] <Deknos> karlpinc, i hoped the (commercial) programmer has a good idea
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1492 [22:20:57] <H-var> "the only other suggestion we can make is to use the supported Ubuntu distro." - Feral Interactive.
1493 [22:21:13] <H-var> who tests games on ubuntu?... lol!
1494 [22:21:19] <H-var> smh
1495 [22:21:20] <karlpinc> Deknos: Well, if you can't tell us what you want it's hard to make suggestions.
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1497 [22:22:45] <jmcnaught> H-var: do Debian full screen games work? #steamlug might be able to help you.
1498 [22:23:33] <H-var> yes, jmcnaught, I've tested most of my games, and they I think almost all of them, if not all, are working
1499 [22:23:35] <ratrace> H-var: I played Alien Isolation just fine on Steam in Deb
1500 [22:23:58] <jmcnaught> H-var: so even all Steam games work except for this one?
1501 [22:23:59] <ratrace> infact, all of the games I play work fine. Even most of windows games I own, via proton
1502 [22:24:03] <H-var> ratrace - thanks. Must be my hardware or something
1503 [22:24:30] <ratrace> games on linux are mostly done and tested for ubuntu only
1504 [22:24:32] <H-var> maybe could it be that the game is installed on m.2?
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1506 [22:24:53] <ratrace> H-var: and what's the problem even, I scrolled up, but saw none mentioned
1507 [22:25:06] <H-var> my debian is showing some errors during boot "PCIE" related
1508 [22:25:22] <H-var> the thing just won't start ratrace
1509 [22:25:54] <ratrace> H-var: you can enable the error log and look into it
1510 [22:26:54] <H-var> ratrace how to enable it?
1511 [22:27:03] <ratrace> I don't remember otoh, ask google
1512 [22:27:19] <H-var> google how do I enable error log?
1513 [22:27:31] <ratrace> yes for steam on linux
1514 [22:28:04] <H-var> google, how do I enable error log for steam on linux? Thanks
1515 [22:28:22] <H-var> he's not online now
1516 [22:28:22] <dob1> someone have tried this replaced-url
1517 [22:29:42] <ratrace> H-var: maybe it's automatic. mine is in steam user's ~/.steam/debian-installation/error.log
1518 [22:30:01] <ratrace> dob1: on debian?
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1521 [22:30:11] <bbuccianti> I have a problem with mpd
1522 [22:30:13] <dob1> ratrace, yes and an android smartphone
1523 [22:30:42] <bbuccianti> can't reproduce anything, fail with ERRROR: failed to enable output; pa_context_connect() has failed: Connection refused
1524 [22:30:51] <bbuccianti> I don't know what to do to troubleshoot this
1525 [22:31:03] <bbuccianti> I'm in pulse-access and pulse groups
1526 [22:31:12] <bbuccianti> I'm runnig mpd with my user by default
1527 [22:31:46] <bbuccianti> I've installed paprefs and settled network access to pulseaudio without auth
1528 [22:31:52] <bbuccianti> what else can I try?
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1530 [22:32:38] <jmcnaught> bbuccianti: are you running pulseaudio as a user (default) or system daemon?
1531 [22:32:58] <jmcnaught> bbuccianti: and do other pulseaudio-using programs work?
1532 [22:33:07] <bbuccianti> firefox works
1533 [22:33:12] <bbuccianti> I can reproduce audio files with paplay
1534 [22:33:20] <bbuccianti> without a problem
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1537 [22:35:13] <bbuccianti> also I just checked that I'm running pulseaudio as a user
1538 [22:35:56] <jmcnaught> bbuccianti: mpd is running as the same user?
1539 [22:36:46] <bbuccianti> mpd running with my user
1540 [22:37:20] <bbuccianti> and I'm obviously in the audio group too
1541 [22:38:10] <jmcnaught> How did you get mpd running as your user? Did you disable the system one with "systemctl disable mpd"?
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1544 [22:40:10] <bbuccianti> I just added User=MYUSER in [Service] of the mpd.service
1545 [22:40:32] <bbuccianti> ps aux | grep mpd confirms that it's running with my user
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1548 [22:40:48] <jmcnaught> bbuccianti: check /usr/share/doc/mpd/README.Debian it says to disable the system service and that then mpd will start with the user session.
1549 [22:40:52] <ratrace> bbuccianti: are there any namespaces or security constraints in the service unit?
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1552 [22:42:02] <ratrace> looks like it replaced-url
1553 [22:42:15] <bbuccianti> yeah that's it
1554 [22:42:46] <bbuccianti> do you think I need to comment out those?
1555 [22:42:55] <ratrace> no, but make the pulseaudio socket writable to it
1556 [22:43:03] <bbuccianti> how?
1557 [22:43:30] <jmcnaught> bbuccianti: if you are editing /lib/systemd/system/mpd.service then those changes will be overwritten when the package is updated. Local changes belong in /etc/systemd/system
1558 [22:43:50] <jmcnaught> But you should probably follow the advice in the README.Debian and disable the system mpd anyways.
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1562 [22:45:47] <ratrace> bbuccianti: well actually ProtectSystem is "yes", so that makes only /usr and the bootloader readonly, so that might not be it, and that RestrictAddressFamilies covers AF_UNIX, I'm assuming that's the socket used by pulseaudio?
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1564 [22:46:56] <VSpike> Hey o/ I downloaded debian-10.6.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent and wrote it to USB using `cp debian-10.6.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso.torrent /dev/sda` but the device I wanted to install on won't recognise it as bootable
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1566 [22:47:28] <jmcnaught> VSpike: do other devices recognize it as bootable?
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1568 [22:47:49] <VSpike> I also tried writing to a microSD since it has a slot in the same way, but no dice. Check the BIOS and all looks well. I tried booting it on VirtualBox and it didn't show up in the boot menu there either
1569 [22:47:57] <ratrace> wait .torrent? that's not the ISO itself?
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1571 [22:48:07] <jmcnaught> Oh yeah…
1572 [22:48:19] <ratrace> you need to actually download the ISO first
1573 [22:48:31] <VSpike> ratrace: oh sorry, that's me copy/pasting the wrong file name here. I wrote the actual ISO to the device :)
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1575 [22:48:50] <VSpike> I can mount it and see the expected files. The partition table looks reasonable
1576 [22:48:56] <ratrace> VSpike: verified the checksum first?
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1578 [22:49:31] <VSpike> ratrace: I didn't, but I thought using a torrent you got that as a given
1579 [22:49:47] <ratrace> using torrents is even more reason to verify the csum
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1581 [22:50:49] <VSpike> sha256 sum checks out
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1585 [22:53:05] <VSpike> Hm, just tried it on another physical computer and it actually boots fine
1586 [22:53:26] <VSpike> My VirtualBox test must have been bogus somehow
1587 [22:54:19] <tomreyn> maybe that was set to uefi booting
1588 [22:54:53] <tomreyn> i'm not sure the i386 xfce images support hybrid
1589 [22:55:45] <jmcnaught> Does the target computer support USB booting?
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1591 [22:56:18] <VSpike> The laptop I just tried on was very old, so definitely no UEFI there. Virtualbox may have been set that way. The actual target device is an Intel Compute Stick.
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1593 [22:57:11] <ratrace> older machines might not support booting off of usb
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1596 [22:58:22] <VSpike> This one definitely does
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1598 [22:59:31] <VSpike> It has a "USB Boot - Enabled" option in the BIOS
1599 [23:00:05] <tomreyn> for usb booting off it, you may need to add extra power to it by attaching a usb hub.
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1603 [23:03:16] <aquafunk> say I want to add a deb-src line to be able to build packages from a newer release against stable. should I always be adding the deb line, too, and then pinning the priority low? or is it ok to only add a deb-src line
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1605 [23:04:08] <jmcnaught> aquafunk: only add the deb-src line
1606 [23:04:11] <jmcnaught> !ssb
1607 [23:04:11] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1609 [23:04:56] <aquafunk> that's what I thought! I'm not sure what happened that I thought maybe I should be adding both. OH I can't use apt policy or rmadison to see available versions I can build if I only add a deb-src line
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1612 [23:05:33] <jmcnaught> aquafunk: use the rmadison command from devscripts
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1614 [23:07:06] <karlpinc> VSpike: FWIW, I always like to do a mimimal install with only openssh-server extra, and add stuff from there.
1615 [23:07:19] <aquafunk> oh, rmadison does work as long as I'm adding a debian repo. it does not if I add a deb-src from a (gasp) ppa. but that's ok. I just don't know when there is an updated version available to build
1616 [23:07:43] <VSpike> tomreyn: yeah, it's connected to a hub. It can definitely access the USB device because I just used the same one to do a BIOS update. The BIOS was 5 years old so hoping this will help
1617 [23:08:07] <jmcnaught> aquafunk: the rmadison command from devscripts does not require the newer suites to have deb lines in sources.list
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1620 [23:10:43] <aquafunk> jmcnaught: correct. so I would know when there is a new, official debian package in say, testing. I guess there are very few cases where I'm using ppa sources.
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1629 [23:14:57] <bbuccianti> I've changed type from "pulse" to "ao" and it's working
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1631 [23:15:09] <bbuccianti> -_o_-
1632 [23:15:32] <sponix2ipfw> aquafunk: PPA use is just asking to break stuff IMHO
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1634 [23:19:05] <karlpinc> aquafunk: There is also backports.debian.org.
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1636 [23:23:10] <tomreyn> VSpike: that's all i could think of, good luck!
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1648 [23:32:41] <noisemaker> For the Desktop installation the debian-10.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso is the only image or is others with Gnome or KDE ?
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1650 [23:33:04] <relipse> Something is wrong, my isp is routing traffic to cworklog.com elsewhere and it says it cannot respond. what do I do?
1651 [23:33:15] <relipse> is there dns server bad?
1652 [23:33:15] <sney> noisemaker: use the netinst, it will download the desktop you want.
1653 [23:33:19] <relipse> how do I refresh it
1654 [23:34:01] <pfred1> yeah netinstall is the best
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1657 [23:34:53] <aquafunk> sponix2ipfw: I would never install a binary from a ppa. or anything important from source. I always build things from source and (usually) manually compare any patches used on the ubuntu vs the debian versions
1658 [23:35:15] <VSpike> Oh wow, the more I look into this device's specs the more it seems like a total nightmare :)
1659 [23:35:17] <noisemaker> sney: Without netinst that is the only image with GUI ?
1660 [23:35:35] <VSpike> Now reading this replaced-url
1661 [23:36:05] <sney> noisemaker: only xfce is small enough to fit on a CD-size iso. the dvd isos have more: replaced-url
1662 [23:36:26] <VSpike> I think the BIOS on this thing is limited only to recognise certain bootloaders and OS versions
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1664 [23:36:51] <sney> noisemaker: the debian-live images are also available with multiple desktop environments, and they can install with calamares, but it's not as reliable
1665 [23:37:32] <aquafunk> FYI "apt cache madison" gives me available packages and sources based on my sources.lists. so I can use that output to know when there is a new source version available to build (I'm trying to automate building neovim from the nightly ppa)
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1673 [23:43:57] <noisemaker> sney: the only difference between cd and dvd install is the desktop env ?
1674 [23:44:13] <sney> noisemaker: the difference is the number of packages included on the disc.
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1678 [23:44:57] <pfred1> in reality you're going to pull packages off the net anyways
1679 [23:45:36] <noisemaker> ok.
1680 [23:45:51] <pfred1> I do an expert install choose nothing reboot then start installing what I want
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1682 [23:46:30] <pfred1> you do start off in the console initially doing that though
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1686 [23:46:59] <lnxslck> is there a testing iso with xfce already installed?
1687 [23:47:07] <lnxslck> debian-live-10.6.0-amd64-xfce.iso something like that but testing
1688 [23:47:11] <sney> !testing installer
1689 [23:47:11] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
1690 [23:47:54] <lnxslck> true, but there are iso images available for testing, just not with DE that I could find
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1692 [23:48:09] <sney> there may be test builds with various components but none of it is predictable, or really supported
1693 [23:49:13] <lnxslck> ok
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1695 [23:49:21] <pfred1> there has to be a website that just rolls custom Debian distros
1696 [23:49:44] <pfred1> if there isn't there should be
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1698 [23:50:08] <pfred1> because Linux doesn't have enough distros!
1699 [23:50:20] <lnxslck> pfred1: its not a different distro
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1701 [23:50:44] <lnxslck> its the same just with a DE already installed and packages form testing
1702 [23:50:49] <pfred1> lnxslck that's not what most people today think
1703 [23:50:55] <lnxslck> indeed
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1708 [23:55:44] <jhutchins> lnxslck: There is no fundamental difference between the foundation of desktop environments, contrary to the impression that Ubuntu gives. You can install any DE you want, or several, or none at all, all with the same .iso
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1710 [23:56:10] <jhutchins> noisemaker: Actually, that was meant for you, sorry lnxslck
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1713 [23:57:20] <noisemaker> jhutchins: yes
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